Biden, Ryan Clash in Aggressive Vice-Presidential Debate

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Vice President Joe Biden and Republican candidate Paul Ryan participate in the vice-presidential debate, moderated by Martha Raddatz, in Danville, Ky., on Thursday, Oct. 11, 2012

Vice President Joe Biden and Congressman Paul Ryan sparred Thursday night in a sharp and wide-ranging vice-presidential debate, clashing early and often in a tussle likely to reinvigorate Democrats demoralized by President Barack Obama’s listless performance last week.

While Ryan’s performance was steady and controlled, the night belonged to Biden, for better and for worse. The Vice President displayed the pugnacity and pluck that his boss failed to flash against Mitt Romney. Seizing the debate from the start, Biden marshaled an aggressive defense of the Obama Administration’s record at home and abroad. He promoted the success of the stimulus, praised Obama for his progress unwinding two foreign wars and sought to convince swing voters that the economic recovery was gaining traction.

(MORE: Joe Klein: Biden in Command)

Where Obama pulled punches, Biden swung from his heels, repeatedly invoking Romney’s damning comments about the 47% of Americans who see themselves as “victims” and rely on government. “I’ve had it up to here with this notion that, ‘Forty-seven percent, it’s about time they take some sort of responsibility here,’” Biden said. He chided the Republican ticket for embellishing the shaky state of the economy to score political points and for eliding the GOP’s role in causing the exploding deficits it pins on Obama.

“I’ve never met two guys who are more down on America across the board. We’re told everything’s going bad. There are 5.2 million new jobs, private-sector jobs,” Biden said. “Show me a policy where you take responsibility. And, by the way, they talk about this Great Recession [as] if it fell out of the sky … It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, to at the same time put a prescription-drug benefit on the credit card, a trillion-dollar tax cut for the very wealthy. I was there. I voted against them. I said, ‘No, we can’t afford that.’”

In several testy exchanges, Biden also accused Ryan of twisting the truth. “Not a single thing he said is accurate,” he said after Ryan’s first answer. “That’s a bunch of malarkey,” he exclaimed later, when Ryan attacked Obama for imposing defense cuts that congressional Republicans — including himself — in fact supported. “This is a bunch of stuff,” Biden groused later, prompting moderator Martha Raddatz to ask what he meant. “It’s Irish,” Ryan responded, one of his few moments of humor in a debate whose levity largely consisted of Biden visibly snickering while Ryan spoke.

(MORE: Mark Halperin: Grading the Debaters)

Early on, the seasoned, silver-haired Biden, 69, appeared to unsettle Ryan, 42, with his combative and sometimes condescending tone. Biden sneered, smiled broadly and shook his head theatrically as Ryan spoke. He interrupted his younger opponent repeatedly, and at times he seemed to regard the House Budget Committee chairman as though he’d mistakenly wandered over from the kids’ table.

What some might have seen as smugness — which Biden kept under wraps while debating Sarah Palin four years ago — could rankle swing voters. It certainly seemed to irk Ryan, who at one point shot back: “I know you’re under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground.” Ryan, who totes a thin foreign policy résumé, evinced a fluency with world affairs, sparred heatedly with Biden during several exchanges over the drawdown timetable in Afghanistan and the recent consulate attack in Libya. “What we are watching on our TV screens is the unraveling of the Obama foreign policy,” he said. Biden, by contrast, may have gotten the better of the economic realms Republicans expected Ryan to dominate.

It seems unlikely the debate will drastically shake up the race — and certainly not to the degree that Romney’s drubbing of Obama upended the contest. In an instant poll by CNN/ORC, 48% of respondents said Ryan won the debate, while 44% preferred Biden.

But there was no question that Biden dominated the debate, bringing to bear his four decades on Capitol Hill in an animated performance. His broadsides and body slams seemed geared to energize a Democratic base dispirited by Obama’s flop last week, while Ryan’s steady, constrained answers appeared calibrated to appeal to moderate voters the Republican ticket wants to coax into its camp. Whether you preferred the Democrat or the Republican may hinge on whether you found Biden’s forceful performance brilliant or boorish.

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SmilingSmartBlonde
SmilingSmartBlonde

I thought Biden was at the top of his game:

And, by the way, they talk about this Great Recession [as] if it fell out of the sky … It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, to at the same time put a prescription-drug benefit on the credit card, a trillion-dollar tax cut for the very wealthy. I was there. I voted against them. I said, ‘No, we can’t afford that.’”Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2012...

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

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PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS MAN IS A KNOWN CHILD MOLESTER AND RAPIST.  HE HAS STOLEN OTHER IDENTITIES ON THIS SITE AND ELSEWHERE, AND I HOPE THE ROOM REPORTS THIS CRIMINAL AND ROUTS HIM ONCE AND FOR ALL.

HE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO STEAL, RAPE AND ROB INNOCENTS.

THANKS.  

73yearoldVet
73yearoldVet

CNN Debate Polls

 

Biden’s mission was to score a major win over Ryan and stop the momentum that Romney/Ryan gained after the first presidential debate.

 

It was a must win big for Biden. A draw would actually be a defeat for the Obama/Biden ticket.

 

Results: Biden bombed. CNN’s poll showed that Ryan won in nearly every category. Biden’s Mission a total failure.

 

48% percent of voters who watched the vice presidential debate think that Rep. Paul Ryan won the showdown, according to a CNN/ORC International nationwide poll conducted right after Thursday night's faceoff. 44% percent say that Vice President Joe Biden was victorious.

 

28% said the debate made them more likely to vote for Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney and 21% said the faceoff made them more likely to vote to re-elect President Barack Obama.

 

By a 50%-41% margin, debate watchers said that Ryan rather than Biden better expressed himself.

 

By a margin of 53%-43% Ryan had an advantage on being more likable.

 

Ryan also had a slight advantage on being more in touch with the problems of average Americans.

 

The poll indicates that both men were seen as qualified to be president if necessary, by roughly equal numbers.

 

 

SAJ2995
SAJ2995

But there was no question that Biden dominated the debate, bringing to bear his four decades on Capitol Hill in an animated performance. His broadsides and body slams seemed geared to energize a Democratic base dispirited by Obama’s flop last week, while Ryan’s steady, constrained answers appeared calibrated to appeal to moderate voters the Republican ticket wants to coax into its camp. Whether you preferred the Democrat or the Republican may hinge on whether you found Biden’s forceful performance brilliant or boorish.

Condescending as it all was from Biden, all he came across as was a bumbling old drunk white man.  I feel embarrassed for him and our country.

Joe didn't win the debate, he gets honors for the disrespect he displayed for his opponent, and the amount of times he interrupted Paul Ryan (82 times and counting).  

D_Bob
D_Bob

Apparently you can't rebut any of what Biden said, so your only recourse is to attempt to paint an obviously sharp and sober statesman as a 'bumbling old drunk white man' and then accuse him of disrespect. That's all you got, eh? What of your own disrespect for a man who has served this Republic well?

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

 Where I come from we are told to correct a lie when we hear one. Guess Ryan lied 82 times and counting.

rebdem
rebdem

When Ryan mentioned about the president's first year and that he had complete majority - Biden should have said - we were a little busy the first 18 months with two wars and and domestic finacial crisis and cleaning up the trash left from the republicans. The fact that Americans were fed up,  led to sweeping changes which unfortunalety led to a divided house and senate.

Healthcare reform will go down one day like the right for woment to vote and equal rights. It was historic.

Stay the course and let this president finished what he started four years ago. He deserves that chance.

ahandout
ahandout

 You don't even know what Obamacare does.  As the Supreme Court ruled, it's a tax, and a gift to health insurance companies.

Companies will move full time workers to part time to avoid having to purchase health insurance that they cannot afford.  So then, those workers, now part-time will be left with the tax.  They will have to buy health insurance or pay the government.

Please explain how this makes anyone better off?

Ryan Yast
Ryan Yast

I just got back from a month overseas (UK and France) and boy do foreigners see Romney and Ryan for what they really are.  I heard the term 'golden years' attached to Obama's second term while there was nothing but disdain from those I spoke with and from the local papers on the potential of Romney winning.

I think that speaks volumes

paulejb
paulejb

Ryan Yast,

"I think that speaks volumes"

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Indeed, it does! Citizen of the World Obama is beloved among the left wing eunuchs of Europe. Not so much among Americans.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

 Calling the rest of the world left wing eunuchs, is a good explanation why most on this board fail to take you seriously.

smokeys48
smokeys48

In answer to your question Alex, "Boorish."

Skee Zix B Boon-Yak
Skee Zix B Boon-Yak

It's merely the circus over the bread.

Only an outsider candidate would have refused to allow wars by profiteers to rob Americans of basic infrastructure needs.

Americans can prefer sustenance for their quality of life, but that doesn't matter when the 'elections' are conducted by unknown entities.

Who designs, builds, programs, and operates the touchscreen or opscan?  When you don't know, you don't know whether your vote is being counted at all.

Try to vote for Ron Paul.and say hello to the blackbox recycle bin.

Michael Moss
Michael Moss

Biden,the smiling used car salesman.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

If Biden is a used car salesman what does that make Ryan a man who lies every other time he opens his mouth?

paulejb
paulejb

mantisdragon91,

Paul Ryan was not so addled that he forgot that he had voted to authorize force in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Joe is either lying or demented.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

 He was probably in shock by all the "stuff" coming out of Ryan's mouth. Kind of like I am at times with you.

junkyarddog47
junkyarddog47

The mighty Joe dropped the Hammer on the lad

Bill Pearlman
Bill Pearlman

Biden lied through his teeth about Libya and also voted for the two wars he said were put on the nations credit card.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

 And Ryan lied through his teeth about everything and voted for every single budget item that Bush asked for.

ahandout
ahandout

Joe Biden lied right out of the gate.  They were told that they needed more security in Benghazi and the State Department never claimed that the attack was due to a video or a protest.  Coverup continues.

But asked about the administration’s initial – and since retracted –

explanation linking the violence to protests over an anti-Muslim video

circulating on the Internet, one official said, “That was not our

conclusion.“ He called it a question for ”others” to answer, without

specifying

http://www.theblaze.com/storie...

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

 Notice there was no answer from Ryan to the accurate statement that the Republican Congress cut the State Department budget by 300 Million dollars. When you try to do foreign affairs cheaply bad things tend to happen.

ahandout
ahandout

If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.

Proverbs 29:9

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

 Luckily for us the only wise man on the stage was Biden. Ryan was quiet because he was to busy trying to remember his next rehearsed lie.

ahandout
ahandout

Things that make Joe Biden laugh.

My favorite: dead Ambassadors, dead soldiers, an Israeli nuclear holocaust, millions unemployed, a downgraded America.

http://twitchy.com/2012/10/12/...

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

 Things that make me laugh are idiots like you, who make a disgusting statement like that, while thinking they are being clever.

j w
j w

Biden vs Ryan.

Like watching General George S. Patton whipping Pee Wee Herman to a pulp.

Almost painful to watch, but highly deserved.

reasonspeaks
reasonspeaks

I just hope Biden never becomes president... he's a loose canon without self-control. As an independent, not what I want in a president!

bobell
bobell

I doubt that Biden has any aspirations to the clergy.

gingerpye
gingerpye

We've got a nice canon in the Atlanta diocese. Don't think he's loose.

MrObvious
MrObvious

I noticed that as well. loose canons are the detriment to any holy scripture.