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Romney skyrockets in Pew’s national poll, driven largely by a shift in party identification that’s good news for Republicans.

One poll is, well, one poll, but people like to flip.

Worst (best?) debate spin yet: Abraham Lincoln was a bad debater. (Pantaloons on fire.)

Pew also finds 1 in 5 Americans now have no religious affiliation.

And he Obama campaign sends around a Big Bird “TV” ad, which I don’t think they’ll spend much on:

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dabsp0
dabsp0

1 in 5 is unreligeous but it seems unthinkable that such person would survive in politics, what does mean , one fifth of pols are hiding their real thoughts or only the religeous entet politics?! Seriously, i cant even tell people around me , i have questions about theories i learned growing up and i am looking for answers, its not received well.

ahandout
ahandout

DQ: "Ever hear of the US Navy ahandout?  Ever hear of the US Air Force ahandout?  Ever hear of the CIA ahandout?"

So now you are putting you faith back into the CIA.  We can't even get intelligence about Iran's nuclear facilities, except through the Israelis.

This article discusses American drones.  Imagine a cargo ship supposedly from China, or another country with the capability to launch drones.  They don't even have to have anyone on board.  All launched remotely and simultaneously from 100 miles offshore, or 600, or 1000.  You really think we can patrol the whole ocean, when we cannot even patrol our own borders?  Ever hear of the Mexican border?  It's like a sieve.  

"And keep in mind that when drones are capable of taking off

from and landing on aircraft carrier decks, they will quite literally

be offshore with respect to all borders, but capable of crossing any. 

(The Navy's latest plans include a future drone that will land itself on those decks without a human pilot at any controls.)"https://www.commondreams.org/v...

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

Imagine the North Koreans inventing a teleporter and putting a nuke anywhere in America!  Some of us don't live in a Tom Clancy novel - I have faith in our military.

ahandout
ahandout

 So, you have no problem with the intelligence that lead us to believe that Saddam had WMD?  You liar.

Benevolent_Lawyer
Benevolent_Lawyer

 God, what a gasbag you are.  You never talk about realities...with you, everything is a nightmare "what-if" fantasy.

You seriously need to be medicated.

And to grow up.

How long did your mother breastfeed you?

ahandout
ahandout

DQ,  your argument is a loser.  You really should sit down and "do your homework," with Barry and Big Bird.

During a press conference in Tehran on Monday, Brigadier General

Jamaloddin Aberoumand, the deputy coordinator of Iran's IRGC, said: "In

view of the fact that they (the Israelis) have announced that the unmanned aerial vehicle had penetrated about 100 kilometers into the

occupied territories shows that the Zionist regime suffers from many

weaknesses," According to Tehran Times.

paulejb
paulejb

DonQuixotic,

"Why you two are trying to discredit one of Reagan's most noble goals is beyond me."

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No discrediting meant. Reagan was not a gullible fool. He was a strong advocate of missile defense and reality in negotiations,

“Доверяй, но проверяй” (Trust, but verify)

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

I should point out Paul and ahandout that the only reason Reagan didn't secure complete nuclear disarmament with Gorbachev is that he was unwilling to give up STARWARS, a system that never worked and would be completely useless with an enemy that doesn't use nuclear warheads.

La_Randy
La_Randy

Don, arguing with people who manufacture scenarios with no basis in reality is a lost cause.

ahandout
ahandout

 Geez, you are clueless.  Reagan bankrupted the former Soviet Union.  They couldn't match us and caved, eventually forcing the whole house of cards to fall.

"A central instrument for putting pressure on the Soviet Union was Reagan’s

massive defense build-up, which raised defense spending from $134 billion in

1980 to $253 billion in 1989. This raised American defense spending to 7 percent

of GDP, dramatically increasing the federal deficit. Yet in its efforts to keep

up with the American defense build-up, the Soviet Union was compelled in the

first half of the 1980s to raise the share of its defense spending from 22 percent

to 27 percent of GDP, while it froze the production of civilian goods at 1980

levels.

Reagan’s most controversial defense initiative was SDI, the visionary

project to create an anti-missile defense system that would remove the nuclear

sword of Damocles from America’s homeland. Experts still disagree about

the long-term feasibility of missile defense, some comparing it in substance

to the Hollywood sci-fi blockbuster Star Wars. But the SDI’s main effect

was to demonstrate U. S. technological superiority over the Soviet Union and

its ability to expand the arms race into space. This helped convince the Soviet

leadership under Gorbachev to throw in the towel and bid for a de-escalation

of the arms race."

http://wais.stanford.edu/Histo...

paulejb
paulejb

DonQuixotic,

Missile defense is a proven capability. The Soviets feared it and now Putin fears it like the black plague.

paulejb
paulejb

DonQuixotic,

"Paul you must have little to no confidence in our military, the CIA or our allies if you think that will ever happen.  The balloons you're citing failed too."

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With nukes you only need one that works to ruin your day.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

Well if North Korea gets a delivery system working and gets backed into a corner enough that they actually dare to try and attack us, I'm sure our military will stand up and stop them in short order.

paulejb
paulejb

DonQuixotic,

Didn't you just write that missile defense won't work?

"...he was unwilling to give up STARWARS, a system that never worked"

Why, yes you did.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

Paul, you don't need STARWARS to shoot down a drone, much as the Israelis just did.  Derp.

paulejb
paulejb

"A Truly Credible Military Threat to Iran

The Israelis and the Americans are zeroing in on a strike option that has a real chance of deterring the mullahs -- and defusing Mitt Romney's attacks."

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/a...

Will Iran pay for the Romney surge in the polls?

charlieromeobravo
charlieromeobravo

"Will Iran pay for the Romney surge in the polls?"

Will Paulie ever stop seeing boogie men behind every tree?

paulejb
paulejb

charlieromeobravo,

Take it up with Foreign Policy, CRB

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

I'll take Obama's plan to saction the Iranian regime to death over another war.

ahandout
ahandout

 Yes sanctions.  How did that work out with N. Korea?  The only things that died were the people starving, while Kimmie built his nuke.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

And they continue to sit in their corner, unable (or unwilling) to start an open war with us or South Korea.  I'd say it's been working well for a long time.

ahandout
ahandout

 DQ, do you get news in your basement?

Iran 'building copy of captured US drone' RQ-170 Sentinel

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/worl...

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media...

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

Let me know when they get it off the ground, or when they actually launch a drone that isn't promptly destroyed by Israel.  Why you guys are expecting some random nuclear strike against us from Iran or NK is beyond me.  Have some faith in our military and our intelligence services.

ahandout
ahandout

 Why would you think it would be random?  They aren't that stupid.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

They've been threatening to do it for decades crackpot.

ahandout
ahandout

 "Then why in the world do you think they would attack us at all?"Because they threaten to do it all the time?  Maybe they are just kidding.  It's a fun game, until some crazy SOB hits the button.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

Then why in the world do you think they would attack us at all?

paulejb
paulejb

DonQuixotic,

Would those be the intelligence services which warned of the attack in Benghazi, Don?

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

Paul if you want to live in fear go right ahead.  We're not going to be struck by a nuclear bomb from North Korea.

paulejb
paulejb

DonQuixotic,

"Oops!  So Paul, do you think Mitt Romney will protect us from this fictitious nuclear strike from North Korea?  If so, how?"

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"North Korea Says Its Missiles Can Reach U.S. Mainland"

Estimating the missile capabilities of a country as secretive as North Korea is notoriously difficult. But military experts and South Korean government officials have said that the North has already deployed ballistic missiles capable of reaching targets as far away as Guam, the American territory in the Pacific."In addition, North Korea has repeatedly conducted what it calls satellite launchings that American and South Korean officials, as well as the United Nations Security Council, have condemned as a cover for developing and testing intercontinental ballistic missile technology."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10...

It must be a comfort to reside in the liberal bubble.

charlieromeobravo
charlieromeobravo

"North Korea Says Its Missiles Can Reach U.S. Mainland"

North Korea also claimed that Kim Jong-Il hit 11 holes in one the first time he played golf.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

Paul is there a reason you buy into everything the North Korean press tells you?  Remember their missile failure recently? Do you honestly believe that North Korea will try to nuke us out of the blue?

paulejb
paulejb

DonQuixotic,

Desperate people do desperate things. Just look at the panicked reactions of TEAM OBAMA, Don.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

North Korea has been in a panic for decades Paul, and nothing has come of it.

ahandout
ahandout

DQ, are you a low information voter?

  

Iran, North Korea agree to cooperate in science, technology

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-nor...

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

ahandout, have you been reading any of these posts?  Neither country has the means to strike the US with an ICBM or a stealth drone.

paulejb
paulejb

DonQuixotic,

A drone can be launched from Canada or Mexico, Don. They just have to be smuggled into either country.

In WW II the Japanese launched balloons carrying incendiaries against the West Coast of the US. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...

The point being that where there is the malicious will, there is a way.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

Paul you must have little to no confidence in our military, the CIA or our allies if you think that will ever happen.  The balloons you're citing failed too.

ahandout
ahandout

Barry never had an original thought.  He's an empty chair.  Barry, stuck in a 1960s and 70s liberalism.  Is it any wonder it seems like the Carter years all over again.

 "Obama has also refused to release his Columbia thesis, which was about

nuclear disarmament of the West. Perhaps Obama is fearful that his

thesis, which likely advocates the disarming of the West at the peak of

the Cold War, would be seen as incredibly stupid – which it would be."

http://www.westernjournalism.c...

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

So you're speculating on something that hasn't been read, written by a man when he was still a teenager, and on a whole irrelevant to the campaign because?

Also are you really saying nuclear disarmament during the Cold War was stupid?  Reagan tried to get it.

paulejb
paulejb

DonQuixotic,

Terminally stupid. And Reagan relied on missile defense to make nuclear disarmament possible.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

http://bostonreview.net/BR25.2...

"FOR SOME TIME, Reagan had wanted a summit at which he could meet Soviet leaders and promote a disarmament agreement. Thus, as McFarlane recalled, when Reagan had his chance to talk with the new Soviet Party Secretary, Mikhail Gorbachev, in Geneva in November 1985, "he couldn’t wait.... He was eager." At the meeting, both men recognized that they could work with one another. In a joint statement, they made new proposals for INF and START treaties and repeated the now-familiar mantra: "A nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought."

In 1986, both leaders pushed their recalcitrant colleagues toward a nuclear disarmament agreement. That January, Gorbachev proposed a program to eliminate all nuclear weapons around the world. To the dismay of US national security officials, Reagan welcomed Gorbachev’s proposal."

Why you two are trying to discredit one of Reagan's most noble goals is beyond me.

ahandout
ahandout

 The lefts's nuclear freeze and disarmament movement was funded by the KGB, DQ. 

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

http://bostonreview.net/BR25.2...

"FOR SOME TIME, Reagan had wanted a summit at which he could meet Soviet leaders and promote a disarmament agreement. Thus, as McFarlane recalled, when Reagan had his chance to talk with the new Soviet Party Secretary, Mikhail Gorbachev, in Geneva in November 1985, "he couldn’t wait.... He was eager." At the meeting, both men recognized that they could work with one another. In a joint statement, they made new proposals for INF and START treaties and repeated the now-familiar mantra: "A nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought."

In 1986, both leaders pushed their recalcitrant colleagues toward a nuclear disarmament agreement. That January, Gorbachev proposed a program to eliminate all nuclear weapons around the world. To the dismay of US national security officials, Reagan welcomed Gorbachev’s proposal."

Why you two are trying to discredit one of Reagan's most noble goals is beyond me.