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PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

At risk of feeling like a spammer by making the same point with the same link more than once,  having known teachers in my family and elsewhere in the NYC area, what I suspected about the Chicago area is, also, true.

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City Schools - especially poor cities or poor neighborhoods of not-so-poor cities - are often like the minor leagues of teaching if pay is a high priority.

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(Let me note that teachers have a far larger proportion of idealists than, say, the business community so that some who are very good at their jobs do stay on in tough neighborhoods and/or inner cities since that is their career goal)

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A pocket of suburbs southwest of

Chicago — some of them kissing the city’s border — have a blue-chip

salary schedule that rewards starting teachers as well as the most

veteran, highly credentialed ones with some of the steepest teacher pay

in the state. Their beginning and ending teacher salaries are among the

top 15 in Illinois.

The compensation surpasses even what

is paid in Winnetka and Lincolnshire, where bottom and top scales are

nothing to weep about, coming in among the top 25 in the state.

But the story is quite different in

Chicago, which starts out strong for beginning teachers but falls over

the long haul — a “front loading” phenomenon one expert said risks

turning Chicago into a “farm system” for districts that pay better long

term.

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http://www.suntimes.com/142987...

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Not keeping hourly pay up with the cost of living is sure way to push idealists out of the Chicago school system as fast as possible. 

rokinsteve
rokinsteve

Now the Gee-O-Pee wants to attack Pres. Obama as weak of defence?  Next it will be

the wrong light bulbs in the White House.  Or his pants are highwater.  I haven't read

the latest Mad magazine.   

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

"Next it will be the wrong light bulbs in the White House."

Ha, joke's on you!  They've already done that with the whole mandatory switching to energy-efficient bulbs boondoggle.

MrObvious
MrObvious

There was a interesting point made this morning on the radio; 700 people demonstrated against the video in Indonesia (something like 230 mill pop with 85% muslim) and 50k people bought Lady Gaga tickets.

There are muslim leader stoking protests, but dependent on where you go most of it is due to our occupation and involvment in areas - for most parts muslims either like or love our culture or don't just care.

grape_crush
grape_crush

Voter fraud crusaders are the ghost hunters of politics.

Nice to know that the Birthers have picked up a new hobby. Good analogy, by the way.

From the article:

True the Vote’s plan is to scrutinize the validity of voter registration rolls...

'Voter Fraud' is a much sexier term than 'Messy Paperwork', which is most of what's happening with these voter registration rolls. As the article reports, this group's activities seem to be heavily invested in examining districts with a high population of poor, young, and/or minority citizens. Timing is suspect too: why do these challenges to the voter rolls happen so close to the elections? The underlying effect of this ends up shaving a point or three off of an election which could make all of the difference in a tight race.

It's also largely irrelevant because:

...and voters who appear at the polls.

In order for the type of voter ID fraud True the Vote concerns itself with to occur, someone actually has to show up and vote fraudulently by impersonating a registered voter.

Think about that.

What would it take to organize and execute a a totally secret plan that involved identifying incorrectly-registered/invalid voters at the precinct level, gathering a group of people willing to commit a felony to impersonate these bad voters, and then shuttling them between precincts, districts, and or states on election day to vote in the numbers necessary to tip an election?

At the bare minimum, it's grossly inefficient. You'd get more bang for the buck by working absentee ballots or working through corrupt election officials to stuff the ballot box...neither of which actually involve the use of voter ID. The rare instance when voter ID fraud appears is usually dismissed due to it being a clerical error, chalked up to an individual voter's stupidity, or...wait for it...actually happens because someone trying to rig an penny-ante local election for judge or sheriff.

And for that last part, you'd be hard-pressed to come up with any examples that happened in the last decade or two.

Charlene Peterson, the city clerk in Appleton, said three election observers, including one from True the Vote, were so disruptive that she gave them two warnings.

“They were making challenges of certain kinds and just kind of in physical contact with some of the poll workers, leaning over them, checking and looking,” said John Lepinski, a poll watcher and former Democratic Party chairman for Outagamie County.

He said that as a result of the scrutiny, the line to register moved slowly. Finally, he said, some students gave up and left.

If these 'disruptive' people were a numerically small group of black fringe activists, we'd never hear the end of it.

filmnoia
filmnoia

I think it's time some of these Dem election officials and prospective voters start flexing their muscle with these Tea Party True the Vote bullies. That's all they understand.

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

The bus has been repeatedly cited by True the

Vote, a national group focused on voter fraud. Catherine Engelbrecht,

the group’s leader, told a gathering in July about buses carrying dozens

of voters showing up at polling places during the recent Wisconsin

recall election.

“Magically, all of them needed to register and vote at the same time,”

Ms. Engelbrecht said. “Do you think maybe they registered falsely under

false pretenses? Probably so.”

Weeks later, another True the Vote representative told a meeting of

conservative women about a bus seen at a San Diego polling place in 2010

offloading people “who did not appear to be from this country.”

Officials in both San Diego and Wisconsin said they had no evidence that

the buses were real. “It’s so stealthy that no one is ever able to get a

picture and no one is able to get a license plate,” said Reid Magney, a

spokesman for the Wisconsin agency that oversees elections. In some

versions the bus is from an Indian reservation; in others it is full of

voters from Chicago or Detroit. “Pick your minority group,” he said.

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Forget brown people. Maybe the voters are little green men.

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Better get the FBI to investigate. 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

theoldkathy
theoldkathy

MSNBC's a laugh a minute this morning.  Chris Jansing ("Did he really mean to say that?")  just played a clip of Rick Santorum saying  "The elite, smart people aren't for us.  We'll never get the colleges and Universitites..."

MrObvious
MrObvious

I'm sure he did; or at least to that effect. There is that notion that reel Amurika ain't edumicated and knowing stuff is snobbery.

sacredh
sacredh

The way they go after intellectuals reminds me of Chairman Mao and his purges.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

"The only four letters I needs ta' learn is U, S, and A!"

sacredh
sacredh

The GOP has already purged the moderates from their party. Who's next?  Maybe anyone with more than a GED is going to be shown the door. Here! Take your book thingies with you. Get out!

filmnoia
filmnoia

Ricky S - out of the mouth of babes.

There apparently is a plank in the Texas GOP platform that calls for the elimination of public school classes that teach critical thinking skills, because they believe it usurps parental authority. The anti-intellectualism strain in this country runs long and deep. Whatever point we have developed as a society has been in spite of these people.

MrObvious
MrObvious

I think they're going after sanity and common sense next.

sacredh
sacredh

I think that ship has already sailed.

Hollywooddeed
Hollywooddeed

I miss Rick. I hope he runs for Ayatollah again in 2016.

sacredh
sacredh

Christine O'Donnel says she's considering another senate run in 2014 because she "owes" it to her supporters. I think she just wants someone else to pay the rent.

Hollywooddeed
Hollywooddeed

Christine definitely needs a gig. Why not let donors and taxpayers foot the bill?

charlieromeobravo
charlieromeobravo

I saw her on Real Time with Bill Maher last week.  Good lord, that woman hasn't learned a thing since she ran for Senate.  She's like Sarah Palin minus the intellectual rigor.  When the segment was over, I thought "Well, at least she's out of politics so she's just an amusing footnote now."  Then I read that she was considering a run at the Presidency.  Doesn't anyone show her the tapes of her TV appearances?

charlieromeobravo
charlieromeobravo

Lol.  Sadly he's right.  If young, impressionable student manages to make it to college, at that point they're most likely going to be lost to the GOP.  Colleges specialize in things like learning, research, facts, and figures.  Once you fill a kid's head full of that stuff, the GOP loses all possible appeal.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

If George Bush was the Decider and John McCain was the Maverick, what is Mitt Romney? 

I propose: The Opportunist

grape_crush
grape_crush

I propose: The Opportunist

Nah. Both McCain and Dubya had as a nickname something they really weren't.

Given that, Romney would be something more like..."Average Joe"...

Ivy_B
Ivy_B

This may be the opening salvo in Joe Scarborough's 2016 presidential campaign. Remember, you heard it here first. ;)

http://www.politico.com/blogs/...

theoldkathy
theoldkathy

 I thought it was really bizarre.  I usually watch MOJO, and Joe's been dissing Romney and the Republicans in general all week.  It was hard to tell who he was dissing here - Obama for trying to change things, or Romney for absurdly saying things would be different if he were president.  I'd guess the latter.

What he said was embarrassing, and everybody else just sat there without responding - Mika, Heilemann, Halperin.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

Warren +2 over Brown in PPP poll

She musta done pretty well for herself @ the convention.

sacredh
sacredh

Let's call her "Dances With Voters".  ;  )

Hollywooddeed
Hollywooddeed

If things have gotten so bad in four years, they should bring in George W Bush to speak on their behalf.

To remind us how great things were.

AlistairCookie
AlistairCookie

 I don't know why this hasn't been hammered on more in the press.  (Well, I have some guesses as to why, but I digress.)  It's like Stewart observed, the Republicans pretend they sprang forth, newly formed, in January of 2008. 

When a two term president--who belongs to your party, is a persona non grata in your own convention and on the campaign trail, then what exactly does that say about your party?

"Hey, vote for us again!  No, no, we don't want to talk about Bush, this time it'll be different, honest!"

I think it's the same psychology as an abusive relationship--the one being abused keeps taking back the abuser because, scout's honor, this time it'll be different.  [rolls eyes] 

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

George Bush left office in 2003 after successfully winning the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, saving us from the terrorists that attacked us on Saddam's behalf on 9/11.  Then from 2004-2012 Barack Obama was President and everything he did was wrong and bad, especially when he made the economy collapse.

Ivy_B
Ivy_B

The great white whale that is being perpetrated as OMG Voter Fraud is really a plan to muck up the vote. If GOP poll watchers question enough voters and delay the process enough, the lines will get long and people will give up or be shut out. The weather is uncertain and it will be dark in many parts of the country. The article shows many of the tentacles of this operation.

Voter ID laws have been rushed through in many states in order to have them in effect for this election. The PA Supreme Court had some interesting questions in their hearing last week. One of the justices asked if everyone who did not have the specific approved Voter ID tried to get one from PennDOT before the election, could they handle it? The representative of the Secretary of State said no.

Many people see a big problem with this law is the specificity of the photo ID required. As another justice pointed out - his ID for the PA Supreme Court, signed by the Chief Justice, allowing him to gain access to locked rooms in the courthouse would not be valid to use as a photo ID for voting. That is just silly. The fact that reasonable photo IDs weren't allowed in the law shows that the purpose wasn't to verify who the voter is, but rather make it harder for those who wouldn't have them to get them. Not to mention that they certified that there has been no verifiable case of Voter ID fraud in PA.

I am really concerned that there could be lots of voter suppression that will taint the results.

Ivy_B
Ivy_B

Let's see. Grover Norquist, Grover Norquist - hmmm. Oh, you mean the Grover Norquist who tweeted this?  "Eight million americans now have concealed carry permits....Now try and take our guns away Mr. Obama."

MrObvious
MrObvious

How many of those have concealed intellect?

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

Didn't you know?  Obama is planning to take every legal gun away from all American citizens as soon as he's re-elected.  Fox News told me so.

rokinsteve
rokinsteve

Pres. Obama has a signed executive order to confiscate all cap pistols

and squirt guns as soon as he's re-elected. 

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©

 Don Q is RIGHT!

Gun Store Owner On Fox: Obama Will Make U.S. "Look Like Chicago" With "Anti-Gun" Laws If Re-Elected

http://mediamatters.org/video/...

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charlieromeobravo
charlieromeobravo

Chicago has been plagued with gun violence for 2 years or so now.  It gun related injuries and fatalities are so common now the Chicago Tribune regularly runs tallies every Monday (latest:  8 injured and 3 dead, it was a slow weekend).  I seriously doubt that Obama is looking to replicate Chicago's results nation wide. 

Ivy_B
Ivy_B

Well my bad. Obviously I'm falling behind in the latest winger fear. I thought they were over it.

Seriously why are they such fraidy cats - or are they really moving toward second amendment remedies.

DonQuixotic
DonQuixotic

"Obama will Make U.S. 'Look Like Chicago' with 'Anti-Gun' Laws if Re-Elected"

Chicago isn't part of the U.S. now?

Ivy_B
Ivy_B

Don, that's so four years ago. I'm sure he has a new plan by now. Although perhaps Grover is trying to get more jobs created in the guns and ammo factories which went into overdrive after Obama was elected the first time.