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LiberalLies2012
LiberalLies2012

A chart which explains perfectly the failure that is Barack "Barry" Hussein Soetoro-Obama.

He isn't just "incomplete", he is a complete and total failure.

http://reflectionsofarationalr...

LiberalLies2012
LiberalLies2012

Where have all the unemployed gone?  In Barry's world, you just simply make them vanish.  But have they?  Will they come out and vote?  That's a big question today.  

In this graph, Constant Workforce Participation and Unemployment Rate we see a very disturbing trend line which our government under the tutelage of Barack "Barry" Hussein Soetoro-Obama, he has instructed his cronies at the Department of Labor to hide the real unemployment facts from the American people.  

Within this graph are three comparable components;  Workforce Participation rate, Full Employment (U-6) and Headline (U-3).  What is made known to the public is the U-3 rate, of course the lower of the 3 statistics.  

If everyone who wanted a job, or should be working is counted our unemployment rate today would be at or near 19.5%.  Of that, young people ages 18 - 25 have an unemployment rate over 35%.  Does anyone wonder why Obama is having such a hard time getting his main base of support out to vote for him this year?  Is it no wonder we see those in the streets protesting the 1% class, the Occupy Wall Streeters, are so mad and incensed which has been manipulated by this administration to be directed towards businesses rather than the current administration?

We need change, and we need it quickly.  Continuing this farce for another 4 years will be catastrophic.  

http://www.financialsense.com/...

outsider2011
outsider2011

 Where are all the jobs the job creators were going to create with their tax cuts?

Where are all the jobs that the House GOP ran on?

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

Tea Party Economics: give a business owner a tax break with very few customers, the first thing the business owner does is hire a bunch of people to sit there and do nothing with the business owner.

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In the Tea Party world, business owners don't hire people to help get paid by more clients. In the Tea Party world business owners are lonely and hire people if there are customers or not so that they can have buddies to hang out with at work.

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In the real world, business owners who get tax cuts but have the same number of customers/clients invest in the stock market and buy luxury goods for themselves and their family and hire nobody.

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

Ahandout,

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Let me make this as easy as possible.

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1987, Jane is a very bright college freshman. Many of her friends are studying business, management and Economics to get big bucks in finance when they graduate.

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Since she is from the Chicago area and knows that the teachers are unionized and always get a cost of living adjustment, rarely get laid off the way her friends in fiance might (many were in the stock crash of 1987) but have good pay and suitable hours for her and her other dream of being a wife and mother as well.

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She goes on to graduate school for one year for teaching, too while her friends get MBAs.

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In 199 2, after taking on student loans, she becomes a Chicago public school teacher.

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To her disappointment, her high school junior and senior students are years behind, but she does the best she can.

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In the meantime, Jane marries and has children.

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Now it is 2012. Jane has been teaching for 20 years and has children at home, too.

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She is earning that top pay of ninety something thousand per year.

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The city of Chicago wants her to not only make much less money than her college friends who went into finance, but, they want her to work longer for, after inflation the same pay.

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Worse yet she hears right wing idiots calling her a failure and a slacker.

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Jane has a 17 year old niece, Marie.

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Marie, like Jane, was, is an excellent student who can either make big bucks in finance or teach.

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Chicago in five year from now will need people like Maire to teach the next generation.

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With this kind of animosity toward teachers Jane will tel Marie to never consider teaching. Leave teaching to the D students at We Accept U the online college, she tell her niece. 

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You, apparently, are happy with this.

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If you weren't, you'd support the strike.

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

Twisted right wing thinking again:

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A business or government agency is not succeeding.

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Fire workers or cut their pay (without firing or cutting pay for executives)

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A business or government agency is succeeding.

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Give CEO and top executives pay raises (with raising worker's pay)

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Chicago schools are one public sector case in point.  When the schools, eventually improve, they will want to heap unimaginable praise onto the school chancellor and mayor.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

ahandout
ahandout

 Can I get some croutons for that word salad?

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

Company A ir run by Joe Smith.

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After Joe Smith becaome the CEO, it began to lose money.

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Comapny A lays off workers and cuts hourly wages.

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One year later, John Jones takes over ailing company A.

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Company A starts making biggger profits.

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John Jones gets huge bonuses.

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John Jones gives out big bonees to top executives.

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Wages stay low at company A.

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If the comany does badly, blame the workers.

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If the company does well, thank management.

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When schools do badly or crime goes up, blame the teachers or police officers.

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When schools do well thank the school chancelor, not the teachers.

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When crime goes down, thank the police commissioner, not the police offiers and detecives.

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It is a busines pattern that has been going on forever.

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Why aren't the days longer in Chicago's worst schools?

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Because the city won't pay for a longer work day.

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Who is beign asked to take a pay cut?

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The teachers.

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When Chicago's schools eventually bounce back, what will happen?

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The mayor or school chancelor will get hailed like a God like police commissoiner William Bratton and mayor Guilani did when NYC's crime went down.

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What will happen to Chicago teacher's pay?

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It will stay the same as the New York City Police Department's pay remained the same. 

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Still too complicated for you?

ahandout
ahandout

PS, again it seems your liberal bias of low expectations is exactly wrong.

 "This study looked at 36

charter middle schools in 15 states and found that overall, the charter

students perform as well as those who returned to district schools

after losing out in a lottery. However, these averages mask wide

variation across individual charter schools in their impacts. Charter

schools were more effective for lower-income and lower-achieving

students and less effective for higher-income and higher-achieving

students. In addition, charter schools in large urban areas had positive

impacts on students’ achievement in math; those outside these large

urban areas had negative impacts on achievement."http://www.publiccharters.org/...

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

 "... the charter students perform as well as those who returned to district schools after losing out in a lottery..."

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Not better than?

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Well, in that case, it looks like charter school are not magic.

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Now, use some imagination.

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You, a handjob, are a public school teacher in a Chicago high school.

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You know that many of your students are already behind and that many return home to a terrible environment for studying.

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Do you have the authority to make them stay one and a half hours late?

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Do you have the authority to make teachers in other subject stay with you an hour and a half late?

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Do you have the authority to bring teachers and students in on Saturday for eight hours?

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If not, then why should you get a pay cut.

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Answer: the teachers should not get a pay cut.

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The under-performing students should be placed in schools inside of the public  school system where, one way or another, they have all of their study time inside of the school so that their home environments are not a factor.

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And, since the teachers did not cause either the student to be behind grade level before they started their class nor are they responsible for the home life of the student, should the teacher work 60% more hours (48 hours divided by 30 hours hours = 160%) it would be fair for their pay to go up 60%.

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But since that requires that the wealthy far away from the inner city pay more in taxes, then the right will oppose this and randomly demonize teachers.  

ahandout
ahandout

The Chicago school district is 3 billion in debt.  These teachers are some of the highest paid in the country.  They were only working 5 3/4 hrs a day for top pay.  Every other teacher works 7 hours a day.  They were offered a 16% on there already fat salary by a bankrupt school district for lousy results.

Now, you keep arguing and supporting them.  So you asked for a link to a liberal who is fine with failure, just read you own posts Patrick.

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

 Ahandjob,

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Let me give you some insight into how real teachers sometimes run their careers:

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Year #1: Work the worst school system in the area with the lowest wages and the worst behaved students.

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Year #3: Instead of tenure, switch to start working in a so-so school system with average students for average pay.

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Year #6: Transfer to the wealthiest school system in your area with the best pay and well behaved sons and daughters of doctors, lawyers and stock brokers college bound, serious and eager for a college recommendation.

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Year #45: after 39 relaxing years with rich kids and high pay, retire on a generous pension.

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The most ambitious teachers may consider staying in Chicago Public schools if and only if they keep their pay and benefits up there with the wealthy suburban towns with the sons and daughters of doctors and lawyers.

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So, cut the pay and you'll have only the worst teachers to use for any planned reform.

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Being the best paying major city school district is, once again, is like being the world's tallest dwarf.

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It, apparently, is the best paying of the worst paying types of schools (except, perhaps, poor, rural schools - which I am not familiar with).

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If you want reform, keep your pay attractive for the best and brightest teachers to come into your school system and stay.

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

 Ahandjob,

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If the cost of living over the next five years is going up 15% so that things now costing you $ 30 will, instead, cost you $ 34.50, if your pay over that time, also, goes up by 15%, how much better off are you?

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Answer: Exactly the same.

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Now, if you go from working, for example, 33.9  hours per week from 30 hours per week but your pay remains the same, what is happening to your hourly pay?

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It is going down to 88.46% of what it had been.

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So, you want to remove hourly pay from teachers.

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This scares away people who may wish to teach in the future leaving you a lower quality applicant pool available for future reforms.

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Also, major city school systems pay garbage compared to well off suburbs so Chicago being the best paying major city school system is like saying that you are the world's tallest dwarf.

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If you wish to make good money for easy work in teaching, you go to a well off suburb, bring in better pay with kids who need much less from you.

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

 A Handjob,

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All of the drugs you did in the 1960s are catching up with you.  You are hallucinating.

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I said that there should be a huge amount of reform to do starting with longer school days, longer school years and, possibly, longer school weeks.

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You want to cut the post inflation hourly wages to make sure that no qualified people become Chicago teachers.

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If somebody is fine with a situation, they do not recommend change.

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You don't want anybody with the intelligence and ability to work on the commodities exchange to, instead, choose teaching.

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You want less qualified teachers so that reform will not be possible.

ahandout
ahandout

 YOU are the liberal that is fine with failure.  Chicago's school are a shameful failure.  Teachers, administrators, the whole lot.

And they want a 30% raise on top of their already highest salary in the nation.

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

 "They were offered a 16%..." For a cost of living adjustment and 0% for an increase in their workweek.

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"a liberal who is fine with failure"

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You sent me tow articles about charter schools.

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One was about longer school days and longer school weeks with 0% English as a second language students, who drag down the average most of the time due to having to learn a second language.

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Please send the link about a liberal who is fine with failure.

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More work for proportionately more pay is all I said.

ahandout
ahandout

 PS, the teachers were offered a 16% raise on their current pay package of $92,000.

Only you would think of that as a pay cut.

The Chicago school district is 3 billion dollars in debt.  Even you should realize that means you cannot continue the fat public employee contracts.

ahandout
ahandout

 What the study says and what you ignore is that charter schools make a BIG difference for low income students.   Exactly opposite of what you theorized.

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

"   Exactly opposite of what you theorized"

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I said:

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1) Academic help right after school is needed for many poor people.

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One of your articles agreed.

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2) I said that charter school usually siphon off the best students often from the most active families (such as those self selecting by putting their names in the lottery) leaving inner city non-charter schools with worse students.

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Your article said nothing about non-charter inner city schools.

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Your first article was about an all English speaking school being compared to inner city bilingual students proving what I said about selction.

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I said that since the teachers no not  decide how many hours in a school day, how many days in a school week, how many days in a school year or which students they do or do not teach, then teachers should not be denied pay raises corresponding to the cost of living and to increases in work hours.

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The city of Chicago is trying to force teachers to work more hours without a proportional raise in pay.

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If you used to get $ 700 per week in 35 hours of cleaning out septic tanks (your job, I presume) why should you, now, have to work 40 hours per week for the same $ 700? Why shouldn't you get $ 800 at the same $ 20 per hour?

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The same goes for teachers. More hours = more pay.

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What does anything you have said contradict that?

53underscore3
53underscore3

paulejb:"ifthethunder...

I believe that what I have proved is that I run rings around the hive at will, If. Must be embarrassing for you."

===========================================================You better hope that Thumder doesn't flick on that bugzapper over there.  Those "rings" you're running will get smaller and smaller and........zlzzzZZZZzzzzaP!

 

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

Today's righties have no idea how different business and government are.

   Indeed, if Chicago schools were a for profit business, the schools like Starbucks, expensive retailers, fine dining and even family restaurants wouldn't even open up there much less have to be shut down. 

    The poorer and less educated the parents, the more expensive it is to teach them considering that many need after school programs to tutor them and do things for them which  their parents can not or will not do for them.

      Take the child of, say, two attorneys, and their home life is filled with education both at their parents direction and learning vocabulary and by example from these very well educated well off people who would usually have, if not a stay-at-home-mom, a well educated nanny who will watch over them between the end of school and when their parents return from work.

       Government do not have the option of saying no.

       Governments can not look at a high crime area and say that their are too few businesses in the area paying enough taxes to make it worth their while for police protection.

      If government was run like a business, huge portions of America would have no public schools, no police department, no fire department, no sanitation - nothing.

     One must weigh the results of Chicago schools against other people of the same demographic, not against an absolute standard without differentiation.

     Also, as a government, seeking to provide equal opportunity if anything, these places should have additional services like after school programs to compensate for what parents can not or will not do for their children.

     America is not about abandoning huge swaths of it's citizens because it will cost a few more dollars. 

     But, right wing policies of the past 15 years has been about allowing unequal opportunity and celebrating inequity.

53underscore3
53underscore3

This is par for their course, but I think that their high water mark is past.  Pretty soon, conservatives like Coach upthread will win their party back.

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©

I don't think that's what's been going on, 53.

The goal of the Republican party has been to make the rich richer since I was born.

But since the Democratic party takeover by 3rd way corporatists, and the corruption of the media in the same fashion, they've gotten everything they wanted.

So they just demand more, and they're getting it.  They don't even need to win this election to get more from a Democratic president than they could have dreamed of.

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ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©

Obama's Administration protected the crooked banks and threw money at them.

Nothing meaningful has been done...the too big to fail banks are bigger (relatively) than ever.

Even HAMP, which kicked off the astroturf teabagger "grassroots" movement was designed by Geithner to simply "foam the runway" for the banks.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com...

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53underscore3
53underscore3

I'm not a fan of the "3rd Way" stuff and I don't subscribe to those theories, but I will say that Citizens United will make differentiation between the parties that much more difficult.  I don't really think Obama is a "corporatist" but his position right now is more like the drama Gorbechev went through prior to the collapse of the USSR.

We have different forces loose here, and there are not a lot of similarities other than I think that Obama's real intent is to reform our system on a lot of different levels. I don't look at what he did for the banks with TARP I and II as indications that he's sympathetic to moneyed powers. 

The fact is, that at that time, as bad as they were and still are, their collapse meant the collapse of the economy.  What we did then was what Europe did this summer. Like Gorbechev, Obama has to play with the powers-that-be.

ahandout
ahandout

What you get in return for paying high taxes in Chicago (and around the country for that matter).  A 56% graduation rate for public schools, out of the pitiful percent that make it out of the cesspool of public schools, a mere 6% graduate from college.  That includes public funded colleges. 

And liberals are fine with this, showing how much that they really "care."

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

 "And liberals are fine with this..."

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Correction "And the voices in my head are fine with this..."

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Please admit that you have not heard one self proclaimed liberal say that this was good or acceptable.

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Real life liberals are looking at data.

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Chicago teachers are graduating from the same schools as suburban teachers and even elite private school teachers.

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So, you can cross off the list of suspects of a lesser quality of teacher as the primary difference.

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Wealthy suburban schools have unions.

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So you can cross unions off the list of suspects.

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That leaves you with parents and home life.

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Righties like you don't want to hear it because compensating for home life with after school academic programs including tutoring and other supervision costs money

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How many of these dropouts are coming home to take care of a younger siblings with Mom working the 3 to 11 shift at McDonalds?

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How many are coming home to where Mom is drunk and passed out on the floor?

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How many are coming home to tough neighborhoods where their first thought is not getting beaten up on the way home from school or at the store?

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I was from a well off suburb. I was never in fear of getting beaten up.  My parents were not drinkers. My parents were married until my father's death due they part.  None of my friends were worried about getting beaten up. Almost all of my friends had a Mom and Dad at home.  Any of them who fell behind could count on Mom and Dad to hire a tutor to help them.

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I am not from Chicago's tough neighborhoods. I am from a New York Suburb worlds away.

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I was far easier to teach than Chicago inner city children and teenagers. 

ahandout
ahandout

 PS, again easy to refute.  Got anything left in you liberal grab bag of excuses?  I don't racism is gonna work this time.

"For the third consecutive year, Chicago’s Urban Prep Charter Academy

for Young Men saw every single member of the senior class at its’

Englewood campus graduate with acceptance letters to a four-year college

or university.

The accomplishment is no small victory for the original location of the

charter school, which opened in 2006 with only four percent of its

student body reading at grade level.

The school now operates three different sites, each with an all

African-American student body, and each on a mission to prove young

Black males can succeed despite their inner city surroundings."

And the school day is 8 hours and Saturday too.

http://www.afro.com/sections/n...

 

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

 "I don't racism is gonna work this time."

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Case in point:: some white people are poorly educated.

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Remember I said that after school programs would help?

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An hour and a half  additional school time and eight hours on Saturday, indeed is a solution.

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First, black, white, Latino, Asian... the are still handpicked students.  Some inner city children have poor home environments and so on but by personality, by individual upbringing do wish to achieve academically.

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Second, you have proven my point about English as a second language students. One can not be defined as "African American" and speak a  language other than English at home.

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Third, why aren't you advocating that all under-performing schools go for 30 hours per week to 48 hours per week?

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Answer: right wingers are cheap by definition.

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

A Handjob,

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You miss what makes schools different than, say, designing cargo ships (work my father did).

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The raw material for building ships, cars, hamburgers, computers is controlled.

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The home life of the children in Chicago schools (or any schools for that matter) the personalities of the students are not identical or controlled.

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Nationally in 1947 only about 8% of all Americans graduated from college and only just over half graduated from high school.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...

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Today, 85.58%  finished high school and 30.44% have finished college.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...

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By your reasoning, all the teachers 1947 should have been fired.

ahandout
ahandout

 First, I don't want an favors from you so keep your hands to yourself.

You are so easy to refute.

Here's what success looks like.  Stop making excuses for liberal failures.

 http://www.afro.com/sections/n...

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

 Ahandjob is the name for what you are doing here online for Paulie and Rustburket and what you spew all over the blog.

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Talk about <b.easy< b=""> to refute.

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I grabbed an article about Connecticut, sing it was the first on the list during a Google search.

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Actually, by siphoning off the best achievers, charter schools make it harder for public schools to maintain their statistics.

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Hartford -- As students from the highly regarded

Jumoke Academy Charter School filed into the gymnasium for a

mid-afternoon assembly last week, onlooker Gov. Dannel P. Malloy pointed out that at first glance these students seem to mirror those attending the neighborhood public schools.

"Look around," he said, fielding questions about whether this school

is teaching the same type of students who attend Hartford public

schools.

But enrollment numbers tell a different story

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Just one of the 432 students who attended Jumoke last school year

spoke limited English, while in other schools in Hartford, 18 percent

spoke limited English.

Likewise, 4 percent of Jumoke students require special education compared with 15 percent in Hartford.

Jumoke's lack of diversity is not unique among the state's 17 charter schools. An analysis

of their enrollment by The Connecticut Mirror shows that students who

speak limited English or have special education needs have been largely

left out of most of the state's charters.

Public schools serve twice the percentage of limited-English students

in the districts where 12 of the 17 charter schools are located, the

data show. No charter in the state has a higher percentage of ELL

students than their local district, and only four enroll more special

education students.

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http://ctmirror.org/story/1561...

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Charter schools do well for the already academically competent of the community and let them advance. 

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It has it's place, I believe, but, that place is not one to take numbers from and club inner city school teachers over the head with.

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Where do you believe most of the teachers in magnet and charter schools previously worked?

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Usually they are from the regular public school system.

</b.easy<>

53underscore3
53underscore3

There's successful public schools too, ahandupyourbutt.

Pollopa
Pollopa

Romney is now Putin's BFF.

http://livewire.talkingpointsm...

Could it be a budding bromance is in the works?

Romney opens his mouth and sticks it to America again. Putin has a smile on his face though. 

Sue_N.
Sue_N.

Jeebus. Thanks, Mitt.