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What About the Veterans?

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Bill Kristol is absolutely right that Mitt Romney made a major mistake last night, mentioning neither the war in Afghanistan nor the troops who have fought there and in Iraq. Kristol and I would probably disagree on Afghanistan: I think Obama has, finally, chosen the right course–get the troops out and continue the effort as a special forces war. (Romney, I suspect, understands that most people agree with me on that one.)

But what about the troops? The Obama Administration’s slow uptake on the need to treat the psychological effects of post-traumatic stress and traumatic brain injuries has been scandalous. 

The Administration belatedly released an executive order today, attempting to rectify much of the neglect within the VA system, but the problem is monstrous and the need is immediate–why not issue vouchers to any veteran looking for psychological counseling as Michael O’Hanlon, General Jack Kean and Robert Morgenthau argued in the Wall Street Journal in July?

(PHOTOS: Republican National Convention 2012)

Why hasn’t the Administration moved with greater speed to get the military to provide official credentials and licenses to its skilled workers–the truck drivers, electricians, welders, medical technicians, computer geeks and so forth–so that they can move directly into the workforce when they leave the service? (And why hasn’t the President put the arm on the nation’s governors to accept the military certification–there’s no reason why a military truck driver, who spent several tours dodging IEDs, should have to spend $10,000 and six months getting a license to drive I-80 in Ohio.)

And, again, where has VA Secretary Eric Shinseki been when it comes to promoting the extraordinary young men and women who are emerging from the military with the leadership skills and can-do sensibility to move our nation? Why isn’t he–or some other high-profile advocate–out there every day, traveling the country, highlighting the stories of the highly skilled veterans who are helping major companies, and local governments, to get the job done?

We are in the midst of a plague. We are losing one active-duty member of the military each day to suicide. The numbers for returning veterans are hard to come by, but assumed to be much higher. There are many others who are severely debilitated and need help. There are even larger numbers who are whole, and skilled, and ready for work but suffer from the “crazy veteran” stigma imposed on them by the media. Those of us who know these kids, who spent time embedded with them in war zones or are their parents (as Kristol is), are equally impressed by the qualities they have to offer our country and appalled by the Administration’s inaction when it comes to helping them along. This was an obvious case for Romney to make, and he did not make it. He didn’t mention our veterans at all. Now it falls to the President: Will he take more dramatic action to rectify this situation–Tom Brokaw calls it a “national moral crisis”–immediately? Today’s executive order is a good step, but it is not nearly enough.

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Swiftright Right
Swiftright Right

As a vet who uses the VA I am VERY happy with my health care.

On the whole the VA delivers the best health care for the dollar in America. 

Come November I will remember that Ryan voted several times to defund the VA. I will also remember that he was instrumental in defunding a small program that provided rides to and from clinics for disabled and needy vets.

superlogi
superlogi

I'm also quite pleased with the VA having used some of their benefits (i.e. a mortgage and helping pay for a couple of college degrees).  But, I hadn't heard that Paul Ryan was defunding the VA.  Perhaps you could bring us all up to speed on how and when that was.  While you're at it, you may want to explain why almost all the progressives an this cite would defund the military, including the VA while at the same time increasing mandatory entitlement spending, which is already scheduled to break the nation.

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

 You are asking for proof???? You provide none for your virulent and violent allegations, disrespect, abuse and rabid rage against the President.  Swift, please give him nothing... let him Google and research it himself. Maybe it will help get his brain matter moving in some way.  He is the greatest rabblerouser and deranged HYPOCRITE on this site. 

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©

Remember when the Bush Administration got us into these wars, Joe K.?

Remember what "sensible liberals" like yourself said?

In a country that wasn't effed up beyond all recognition, you would have a job collecting soda cans.

~

 

superlogi
superlogi

Dear Joey, after 18 months in the service I made E-5 in early 71 after which I was sent to fight a war in SE Asia.  Including combat and hazardous duty pay with no taxes my monthly salary was $468/mo.  So, forgive me for saying this, but we treat our veterans one helluva lot better today than at any time since I've been on the earth.  I think my dead father and uncle, both having served in WWII in the Pacific would also agree.  And, in fact, we treat them so good today, we are able to rely on an all volunteer military.  My barber just had a hip replacement done at no cost to himself at a VA facility.  This fellow, I should add never left the states and served in the Air Force.  Point is, of all the topics you could raise, this is probably one of the most mundane, and an obvious shot to denigrate the Romney people.  That is not to say, we don't owe our veterans our undying gratitude for the freedoms we have and the lives we have the opportunity to live. 

PS  People commit suicide whether or not they've served and, in fact, the rate is less today than it was in the 50's, 60's or 70's.

drinkeroftherye
drinkeroftherye

Joe, give the CiC of break. Isn't enough that he pushed for an earlier Iraqi withdrawal so he could surge in the "right war"? The he ordered the gutsy take down of Osama when the military wanted an easier bombing. He personally reviews and approves the Kill List and is quick to visit military bases an say hi to the troops. As for as these wounded volunteers, can't the military do anything on their own? If you were paying attention, Barack is busy fighting the Regressive's war on women, war on students and the war on the middle class. The military has to learn to fight their own wars. FORWARD

kbanginmotown
kbanginmotown

I'm sure the GOP has some Purple Heart band-aids left over from 2004 that they can give to disabled veterans...

Glen Fiddich
Glen Fiddich

 

Am I the only one who has noticed the wing-nut Republikkkraps

have never tried to attack Obama's "character" the way they did with

Clinton? 

 

Then again, their nominee is a member of a white

supremacist polygamous cult that thinks 40 year-old-men marrying 13-year-old

girls is OK. 

 

So it's not a stretch that they would haul up an

actor who’s had a palimony suit and multiple baby-mammas .

 

The look on Ann Romney's face during Eastwood's

speech was PRICELESS. You'd think a drunk old uncle was spoiling her husband’s

funeral.

 

The only thing missing was Sarah Palin, talking

to an end table.

superlogi
superlogi

Not to disappoint, but Barry's lack of integrity, his narcissistic self absorption, his mendacity and cynicism are emblematic of the buffoon and his administration.  He's not just an amateur, but a cocky one at that.  Even Bill Clinton had more humility and, understood, the art of negotiation.  This fool is in it for himself with absolutely no thought to who he's working for or the reason we elected him.  Other than that, he'd make a second rate lawyer.

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

Okay, I have a few minutes here and will type quickly, and respond to your virulent denunciation of president Obama.

What is the basis for your assertion that President Obama lacks integrity???  How is he narcissistic and self absorbed?? Mendacity??? Cynicism???  Negotiation??? I think all these words you have thrown out in your comment should be backed up with strong and supportable evidence. Your personal opinions and conjecture, or extreme dislike or hate of Obama, are hardly sufficient rationale for your use of very hostile and violent invective against him, our president, a man lawfully elected by us, our chosen representative who leads our great country.

I read your comments, and each one is almost the same as the other. You are tireless in your abuse and unfettered verbal assaults on this man who leads our country. Your disrespect of the president, I believe, is an index of your character, or lack thereof. Your comments are  extreme, and full of abusive of President Obama, name calling, mockery and wild rhetoric of his office. All quite unnecessary. This is a political campaign and not a war.  

A second rate lawyer??? How did you come up with that sort of conclusion? From all the information we have available regarding the president's law school, and his subsequent use of his first rate education, it appears that he was (is) a good lawyer, and stellar educator.

I wish I could say I was shocked at the vitriol you have spewed  with impunity at this president, but I am not. It is a pattern you continue to employ with little regard for the facts or truth, and driven only by your fevered disdain, disrespect and hate  of our legally and properly constituted executive branch, headed by President Obama.

Your remarks are the same crass rhetoric-- perennially regurgitated by the hyper-partisan far Right, in the Republican party. A party that determined, prior to the swearing in of president Obama, their single focus was to make sure Obama would be a one term president. Consequently, Republicans elected to congress ignored their mandate to make law, and disregarded their duty to act in the best interest of their constituents--and focused instead on furthering the political goals of their party, to the detriment of the needs of our country, and in so doing, totally abdicated their responsibility to their constituents.

And now, Mitt Romney, a man who is betting on the failure of America to propel him into power, despite a myriad of evidence that shows his unsuitability for the position, could be elected as president of our country. 

Have you looked at the scores  jobs  bills that Congress rejected? Bills that would have contributed to our economic recovery, bills that people like Ryan rejected? Instead, these Right wing Nazi's spent all their time crafting legislation to further their ideological hysteria against women rights. Ryan spent his time seeking to limit women's rights and feeding his inexplicable obsession with our reproductive rights, ovaries, wombs, fallopian tubes and everything else. Meanwhile, the country was tethering on the brink of economic disaster, as Ryan continued to wage his ideological and stupid wars, unrelated to our economic recovery but hyper focused on our wombs and reproductive rights.

Negotiation?? With whom? Moderate Republicans like Snowe continue to leave the party, or are  voted out by the Far Right "conservative purists" who rue the idea of compromise and NEGOTIATION. There could be no negotiation with nut jobs masquerading under the banner of "ideology"???? What ideology???

The last time I shared Romney's ineptitude with you in management of our State, your response was to say that MA was doing well. Yes, it recovered fairly well, however, that does not erase the economic havoc that was wrought on us by Mitt Romney's ineptitude and rudderless governance.  Just as he did in our great Commonwealth during his time as governor, and I supported him at that time, he promised to use his venture capitalist experience to shore up our weak economy. He FAILED woefully.

Now, the Far Right wing, through people like you, continue to venomously denounce President Obama's performance in a fevered campaign to relieve him of his position as president.  Meanwhile, the challenger, Mitt Romney, in his only position in public office in our small State of MA, destroyed our economy.  Yet, somehow, by riding on emotive extremism within a party that does not represent 21st century America,  a starkly stratified party with class based divisions and little regard for intellectual discourse, the Republican party and its foot soldiers like you, continue to sell the unsupportable assertion that Romney would be a better steward than President Obama.

Meanwhile, the evidence of Romney's stewardship in public office, especially as governor of our great State continues to indisputably refute any claim that he is anything but a horrible public official.              

Romney should not be elected president. He was a horrible governor and would be a terrible president.

superlogi
superlogi

You're a windy fellow, aren't you?  Did you ever here the old adage that you can't learn a thing with your mouth open?  Probably not.  In any case, my points have been proved by the last 3.5 years of this fools occupancy of a position he was and is unworthy of.  After all, he was never vetted by the press and his accomplishments in government service, management and leadership are non-existent.  He's a person consumed by the ambition of being President, albeit detests having to do the job. Now, I'm quite certain you're incapable of self-flagellation after having made one of the biggest mistakes of your life in voting for this puff of smoke, so you'll probably do it twice.  That being the case, you've not only done a disservice to the country but to yourself and you are about to repeat that mistake.

Glen Fiddich
Glen Fiddich

   Spin

it any way that makes you feel better: the fact is that Eastwood was

the best thing that could have happened to Obama in the GOP orgy of

self-adoration.

Mr. Obama couldn't BUY a gift like that!

Mitt "Don't Let Fact Checking Get In The Way" Romney in the White House? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!

Thanks, Clint "“Do you just—you know—I know—people were

wondering—you don’t—handle that OK" Eastwood!  Real Academy Award-worthy

performance!!!

GOBAMA 2012!!!

herkyone
herkyone

Yes, Joe Klein , you are so right, they are in need of great help Today in New Jersey a veteran,armed himself , an shot two people in a Pathmark Supermarket.. They veterans who need help, O B  made the statement  They are volunteers No one made them serve, they should pay for their own health insurance!!??

apr2563
apr2563

Sources are important on this site as is context.

Commentary Fortytwo
Commentary Fortytwo

That is a lie. 

herkyone
herkyone

I guess you don't pay attntion to  OB"S remarks, then a day later he trys to retrack his GOOF!!

midwest norwegian
midwest norwegian

The men and women of the US military services have never hated a Commander as much as they hate that Bolshevik Obama.

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

 You know, you should show some respect for the president. I could also call you names, and you tell me how you like it. Let me know, I will willingly oblige.  You do not have the market on abuse and insults cornered, you know.

superlogi
superlogi

How can you show respect for anyone who thinks you're an idiot.  Your buffoon is, not only the most mendacious President we've ever had, but he's one of the most cynical.  He reminds me of something a young Russian gal who worked for me once said.  She stated that in order to become good in Russian politics, you had to practice being a very convincing liar.  Barry fits that description to a "T".  

Cut the crap child. This is the same fool who's advertised both cradle to the grave entitlements and promoted food stamps. He's a self-proclaimed Marxist sympathizer and has demonstrated time and again is disgust for capitalism, business, profits and demeaned those in the private sector who've done well for themselves. Both he and his minions have implied Romney is a killer of women's rights and a killer of women. He suggests anyone who doesn't agree with him is racist and he has run around the world apologizing for this country's dominance and exceptionalism. He's morally and ethically bankrupt and his absolute disgust with self-reliance and personal responsibility is demonstrated on a daily basis. In short, he's just not my kinda guy.

PS Oh, and he doesn't have a clue on how to fix the economy as he's so aptly demonstrated.

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

 There you go again, spewing your unsupportable and baseless rhetoric. How does the president think you are an idiot? You see why I think you are a crack head?  How can you be so brutal in promoting nonsense that you cannot back up with any real data.

You are a crackhead. And probably grew up in the sewers and backwoods of some remote hovel, surrounded with your ignorant toothless family of unwashed-- illiterate fearful bigots. 

"Buddy "--this is not the 1930's, you cannot annihilate whole peoples because you dislike them for no reason.

You are rabid in your disrespect and abuse of President Obama. You are fortunate that I have reviewed most of your remarks, and none sound like you are physically threatening his person, yet.  If I had found even one, you would be with the authorities for a while. Little worms like you who use the cover of the web to unleash, unfair and unsupportable accusationss, and who spew crass and vile invective against the president and that office are a waste of humanity. 

 But I urge you to keep it here. If you decide to turn your violent rhetoric into violent acts, I doubt that you will be voting on November 6th. I pity you, you dunce, regurgitating the Republican party's lower caste rhetoric, and living in  a small stinking bubble of hate and grime. You are pathetic, and a sorry example of humanity.  

midwest norwegian
midwest norwegian

You didn't capitalize "President". Show some respect. Hypocrite.

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

 Midwest.. your little tantrum made me laugh. hahahahahahahaha.. so silly. I hope you understand that it not okay to disrespect the office of the president, nor is it acceptable to violate the character, person or integrity of the holder of that position.

RobertSF
RobertSF

I'm not a Republican nor a Romney supporter, but "too little, too late," is a fine summation of the entire Obama Administration. Rarely has a politician promised so much and delivered so little. He never was the alpha male the position of US President calls for. Oh, no doubt, he's "nicer" than Romney, and I hope he wins, but that's only because Romney is so godawful. I wish the Democrats had primaried Obama like they did Jimmy Carter.

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

 So, I guess in summary, you will be voting for Romney. Romney STINKS. He ran MA into the ground, and that was his only foray into public office. Instead of voting for Romney, it is better that you go hunting on November 6th. Our country does not deserve Romney. His governance of our great State of MA is indelibly etched in the minds of those of us who supported him. 

We tried very hard during the primaries to get rid of Romney and put someone with a better record in the position of standard bearer. But since Romney had the support of Rove, the walking demon, no one including Huntsman on whom most of us had pinned our hopes, had a chance. Obama has not done a horrible job, however, the media has stymied his marketing of the successes of his administration. Remember, we were losing 500,000 jobs a month.

Here is a quote by Romney's predecessor in our State. He has publicly stated that Romney was a horrible governor. As Governor Cellucci confirmed, Romney “did not

have any broad-based tax cuts in his four years as Governor.”  Indeed,

while Romney raised over a hundred different fees and taxes, the two previous

Republican governors signed more than 40 tax reduction bills, even though

Democrats controlled the legislature

peacock2828
peacock2828

"He ran MA into the ground..."

To his credit, he did create a plan to give insurance to everyone who couldn't afford it.  What was that called, again?

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

Well, seeing as he continues to deny and demean the Obama model, which was based on his own, do you think he wants ANY credit for it. He says he does not. So, in MA, we give him no credit for it.

apr2563
apr2563

Lord save us from Alpha males. 

jsfox
jsfox

One man's opinion. First two years accomplished 85% of his agenda. Then the Republicans came in and decided that they would stop any hope of recovery just to regain power they do not deserve. Had the Democrats pulled this stunt the right would have been screaming treason.

apr2563
apr2563

Google is your friend Joe:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

Here's the Bills in numerical order. In short, the GOP has voted TO NOT SUPPORT THE TROOPS at least 7 times. I think that is sufficient to call the GOP House Hypocrites and Phonies.

jamis77731
jamis77731

You may be awesome, at some specific and important skill, but that doesn't mean you'll be a good manager.  Too many in government accept positions for their power, prestige, and for reasons of ego, when they are very poor managers and can't get things done.  And it does get old how politicians and their people praise soldiers, because it helps their poll numbers, but they aren't willing or able to do the hard work of meeting their important needs.  Needs they have because of their service to the nation.  The nation owes them more than a pat on the head and a "good boy."  Those in charge need to stop patronizing service personel. 

Hagar2
Hagar2

Joe Klein. Truely just informative and non-partisan. Other than carrying baggage for the GOP how did he get a column to start with? Great credentials? Superior knowledge and experience? Naw. I think he had the right connections. And shame on Obama for not forcing the governors to act. Oh wait. If he did he'd dictatorially be stomping on states rights and you'd be screaming about that. Joe you are just another GOP mouthpiece who will spout the Republican line no matter what the President does.

LiberalLies2012
LiberalLies2012

Barry "Barack" Hussein Soetoreo-Obama gets caught flat-footed yet again.  

Rushing to change his schedule, Barry is found zipping through the skies headed for Louisiana to see what he could do to help out with all the flooding.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

apr2563
apr2563

You always seem to include Obama's father and step-father names in your not so subtle racist posts.  How about his maternal name (Dunham).  Not ethnic enough for you?

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

 So TRUE! IMO, Gramps LL would have upheld slavery, given the opportunity.

outsider2011
outsider2011

 Desperation post?

What is the whole Soetoreo thing about anyway?

yahoo-UAX76MDX6TCSFFZPMKLPBEOLIE
yahoo-UAX76MDX6TCSFFZPMKLPBEOLIE

Romney did mention Afghanistan and said we should have asked Russia before we even went over there how it went for then. 

doddeb
doddeb

Actually that was Clint Eastwood.

apr2563
apr2563

Yes, somehow blaming President Obama for our entrance into Afghanistan.

superlogi
superlogi

Barry has long blown the war in Afghanstan.  He did it when he gave a date certain when the Taliban could resume operations.

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

Superlogi, you continue to call Obama, Barry. So rude and crass! You know Romney was called Billy until well into his teens. You should call him that too. Billy Romney? I rather call him Mitt Romney, seeing as I am not hateful and disrespectful.

superlogi
superlogi

No, you're just a moron whose respect for the truth is as subjective as your hero's.

superlogi
superlogi

So, you took my remarks about Obama seriously.  You should.  If you don't it will be to the detriment of both you and the country.  With regard to Obama, just what is there to like about a cocky, mendacious, inexperienced and unaccomplished twit, who displays a lack of both empathy and the capacity to do bring the country together as he's stated ad nauseum.  He's also way over his head with regard to even understanding how this or any other economy functions.  Of course, that could be because he's never really been part of it.

 

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

First, you are a total comic. I do not know why I even took your rabid  claims against Obama seriously. You are just a shrill hyper partisan and antagonistic Obamahater.

MITT ROMNEY has been on the wrong side of the second amendment for years, and his position on semi-automatics is definitely not pro-second amendment. It is pro-I want to be president at all costs and will say or do anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Lastly, HA :)  ... I explained to you why I would throw the book at you, if I were a judge. In addition, you are talking nonsense-- NONE of my remarks here and elsewhere could get me off the bench even if  were a judge. *yawn*.... at least, as I am signing off, you have given my husband and I a really good laugh. Drivel and weird dog and rabbit idioms, huh?? hahaha

SL, Do you know anything AT ALL about the bench or how a sitting Judge can be taken off it? hahahaha... I am not a Judge, however, I can assure you that general remarks made, of this sort, in a non judicial capacity, and without the full identity and office of the judge attached to same,  without regard to a pending case etc etc etc.  would have no bearing on the Judge's post, could NEVER affect their position in office.

So as you go foaming at the mouth--- with your anti-Obama rhetoric as the foot soldier of the Republican lower caste, in your two caste system Republican party, remember that all of  your invective, and vicious attacks on our president are MOST unwarranted, and in your case they are violent, unnecessary, and absolutely disrespectful of the office of the president, and in total disregard of  President Obama himself. 

STOP missbraucht und Beleidigung des Präsidenten der Vereinigten Staaten von Amerika!!!!!!!!! 

You have bored me stiff all day with your baseless and inflammatory anti-Obama rhetoric and raging against our president. I am calling it a day today with you.

superlogi
superlogi

You're going to have me arrested, charged and throw me in jail for………?  Frankly, I didn't realize that as goofy as you are, you were a woman and with regard to the 2nd Amendment, it appears your messiah is on the wrong side of the issue.  Oh, and if you were a judge and I posted your previous comment, you wouldn't be one for long.

PS  If the dog wouldn't have stopped to take a dump, it might have caught the rabbit.

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

Superlogi, unresponsive lawyers etc., are usually cited for contempt and jailed.  That is no threat, that is the way the legal system works. And if you were found in contempt, it would only be once during the proceeding-- and if I were a judge, you would be off in jail cooling your heels.

As for the last remark about threats? Huh?

Well, I hope you are not talking violence here. I loathe such acts or talk. It is CRASS!!!!!

Anyway, I am seasoned in self defense and can defend myself. I am also a supporter and promoter of the 2nd amendment. Also, and this is so silly but it is a reminder I should give you-- not all good shots with big guns, are big, rough and tough men, you would be amazed how great a shot, a tall slim, fit and STRONG woman can be.

superlogi
superlogi

I think I'd enjoy seeing you in a court room.  And, by the way, if you'd threaten me in or out of a courtroom, you'd only do it once.

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

You state, " He continues to abuse and insult me and you.  Unfortunately, you're the

reason that his cynicism is sometimes well placed. In fact, given half a

chance he'd change this country into a collective utopia, something I

fought against happening over 40 years ago."?????

What is the basis for this rabid and stupid remark. If I had to ask you this same question so many times in court about the same issue, and you continue with your unresponsive drivel, you would be cooling your heels in a jail cell by now, if I were a judge. You sound drugged out.

superlogi
superlogi

He continues to abuse and insult me and you.  Unfortunately, you're the reason that his cynicism is sometimes well placed. In fact, given half a chance he'd change this country into a collective utopia, something I fought against happening over 40 years ago.  Frankly, I still don't understand why so many people, having obviously been fooled by this shucker and jiver, would vote for him after what he's already done to the country.  

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

You continue to insult and abuse the President by calling him demeaning names, and describing him in the worst way, you call him foolish, dumb, narcissistic, a 2nd rate lawyer, arrogant, unfit  etc etc??? All this coming from you, a crack head???

Get rid of all that nonsense your parents taught you about abuse and insult, and hatred of folks that look different from you. Sounds like from that back hovel in which you all huddled, toothless and all, none of you were taught or learned the basics about proper etiquette in discourse, or that people who looked different from you do not have to be attacked or violently cut down .  Superlogi the HEAD GUTTER SNIPE OF Swampland.

jsfox
jsfox

You mean that Taliban has ceased operation? Who knew.

superlogi
superlogi

You start with an idiotic premise and you will always come up with an idiotic conclusion.

superlogi
superlogi

You guys are like two peas in a pod.

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

 All remarks that come from an idiot (which you epitomize here in the Swamp) are idiotic. So implying JS has an idiotic premise is great for him. Coming from you, it is assurance, that his brain matter is fully functional. You are the master of drivel and hysterical abusive and idiotic rhetoric.

apr2563
apr2563

You might supply a critique to the comment that was more than an ad hominum statement.  Have the Taliban ceased operation?

ARTraveler
ARTraveler

The war in Afganistan was blown when President Bush 2 pulled the troops from there to invade Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with 9-11 except in his own mind.  Ten years is long enough to keep bringing American bodies back home in bodybags for Bush's ill-run war. 

Sgtsilk
Sgtsilk

 Thanks to GW I have lot a lot of friends and fellow soldiers there. And I was awarded a Purple Heart Heart looking for WMD that never existed.

The Taliban do not believe in educating there citizens, on our missions we would passed through village different times of the days and nights finding kids from 3 years old and up. Dirty and playing instead of going to school.

It do not matter how long we are there if there government is corrupted and do not help there own people then why should we keep spending Billions of dollars a week to fund. Cheney company KBR making him richer at the lives of American soldiers and Civilians.   

I do not have enough finger to count on how many Ramp Ceremonies that, I had attend watching them load flag draped coffins on to Aircraft's. Bidding them a final farewell.

Why does Mr. Willard Rommeny  send his 5 sons into harms ways. And when they return home with PTSD and TBI and they can feel what a Veterans feel and deals with on a everyday basic.

superlogi
superlogi

Dear Mr. Simpleton, we kicked the Taliban from power in less than a hundred days.   Unfortunately, Mr. Bush and his advisors had some mistaken idea we could remake the country into the 51st state, primarily because it was thought at the time, if we didn't, we'd have to go back again.  Same thing happened in Iraq.  Unfortunately, we did have to back again, in Iraq.  But, let me state for the record, that a majority of the country, including the left, felt the same way at the time.  But, isn't that alway the case with left.  When things don't turn out the way you thought, you simply deny it.  Have a wonderful hypocritical day.

You mean the fool when you talk about "our leader". This is the same fool who's been apologizing for our leadership to anyone who will listen, hoping his popularity will benefit. This is the guy who castigated interrogation efforts which lead to the demise of UBL and took credit for it. This is the fellow who suggested that a temporary inconvenience of sniffing bath water against a known terrorist was a sin against nature and put a rocket up the arse of a US Citizen because he said bad things. Where on earth did you ever get the idea, this buffoon was either a leader of men or understood anything about foreign policy? Frankly, if there's a god, I think he's punishing all of us for being a country which was given everything only to turn out a bunch of parasites, bought and paid for by "progressive" politicians who wanted eternal incumbency.

PS You don't tell your enemies your plans for the future and how you killed them in the past. It's the first rule of foreign diplomacy.

fhmadvocat
fhmadvocat

Superlogi,

Our main objective since 9/11 was to get the guys who were responsible for the bombing.  Our previous Commander-in-Chief, instead of concentrating all our efforts on this mission diverted 90% of our troops to fight a two-bit dictator who once planned to assassinate his daddy.  He took his eye off the ball to look for non-existant WMDs based on faulty intelligence.  It was a waste of money and lives.  We still live with the burden, both in lives and in treasure.

Our current Commander-in-Chief, focused his attention on the actual leader of the guys who attacked us.  He focused on Pakistan, a country our previous Commander-in-Chief refused to touch, because they were in "ally".  Well, the guy you call a "Buffoon" got Osama Bin Laden, dramitically reduced our presence in Iraq and is doing what he can to end our involvement in Afghanistan.

When it comes to foreign policy, Obama has been much more successful than in national issues.  If you think he was such a "Buffoon"  what would you have done differently?  Forget about his announcement of when we were "leaving", the Taliban have been staying in Pakistan (remember, our "ally" according to the Bush administration) and will be back, whether in 1, 5, 10 or 20 years.

Obama has done a very credible job.  He has been much more successful than the previous administration.  If you think he is a "Buffoon", I would hate to think what your opinion is of George W. Bush, one of the most incompetent presidents in modern history (Only Jimmy Carter has been worse.)

Davel6969
Davel6969

Shut up! You blind f-ing idiot; Bush blew that war years ago, by going into Iraq wasting time, lives amp; treasures of the American folks for years to come.O-bummer got handed Vietnam there you clown.Bush f-ed UP that whole football there you fool. God himself couldn't save that fuc up. Even bush SR. said "don't break it;unless you want to buy it". Only thing his father knew about, being in the CIA for sometime. Because he didn't understand tax policy did he."READ MY LIPS" U FOOL

Davel6969
Davel6969

Shut up you blind f-ing idiot Bush blew that war years ago by going into Iraq wasting time, lives amp; treasures of the American folks for years to come.O-bummer got handed Vietnam there you clown.Bush f-ed that whole football their fool god himself could save that fuc up.Even bush SR. said "don't break it,unless you want to buy it". Only thing his father knew about being in the CIA for some time.Because he didn't understand tax policy did he."READ MY LIPS" U FOOL

paulejb
paulejb

Davel6969,

Sorry, Davel. Barry's "necessary" war is turning into a debacle. More Americans have been killed in four years under Obama than in eight years under Bush.

http://icasualties.org/oef/ 

Davel6969
Davel6969

Now that George W. Bush has finally left office, here's a challenge to a nation famous for its proud tradition of invention: Can somebody invent a machine capable of fully measuring the disaster that was the Bush presidency?

AP

Yes, yes, I know that attitudes towards presidencies are volatile. Harry Truman was hated when he left office and look at him now; he's so highly regarded that President Bush thought of him as a role model. There are, I'm sure, still a few William Henry Harrison dead-enders around, convinced that the 31 days the broken-down old general spent as president will someday receive the full glory they deserve.

In a way that was inconceivable when he took office, Mr. Bush -- the advance man for the "ownership society," smaller and more trustworthy government, and a humble foreign policy -- increased the size and scope of the federal government to unprecedented levels. At the same time, he constantly flashed signs of secrecy, duplicity, ineffectiveness and outright incompetence.

Think for a moment about the thousands of Transportation Security Administration screeners -- newly minted government employees all -- who continue to confiscate contact-lens solution and nail clippers while, according to nearly every field test, somehow failing to notice simulated bombs in passenger luggage.

Or schoolchildren struggling under No Child Left Behind, which federalized K-12 education to an unprecedented degree with nothing to show for it other than greater spending tabs. Or the bizarrely structured Medicare prescription-drug benefit, the largest entitlement program created since LBJ. Or the simple reality that taxpayers now guarantee some $8 trillion in inscrutable loans to a financial sector that collapsed from inscrutable loans.

Such programs were not in any way foisted on Mr. Bush, the way that welfare reform had been on Bill Clinton; they were signature projects, designed to create a legacy every bit as monumental and inspiring as Laura Bush's global literacy campaign.

The most basic Bush numbers are damning. If increases in government spending matter, then Mr. Bush is worse than any president in recent history. During his first four years in office -- a period during which his party controlled Congress -- he added a whopping $345 billion (in constant dollars) to the federal budget. The only other presidential term that comes close? Mr. Bush's second term. As of November 2008, he had added at least an additional $287 billion on top of that (and the months since then will add significantly to the bill). To put that in perspective, consider that the spendthrift LBJ added a mere $223 billion in total additional outlays in his one full term.

If spending under Mr. Bush was a disaster, regulation was even worse. The number of pages in the Federal Registry is a rough proxy for the swollen expanse of the regulatory state. In 2001, some 64,438 pages of regulations were added to it. In 2007, more than 78,000 new pages were added. Worse still, argues the Mercatus Center economist Veronique de Rugy, Mr. Bush is the unparalleled master of "economically significant regulations" that cost the economy more than $100 million a year. Since 2001, he jacked that number by more than 70%. Since June 2008 alone, he introduced more than 100 economically significant regulations.

At this late date, it may be pointless to argue about the grounds for the invasion of Iraq, which even Mr. Bush has (finally) acknowledged were built on sand rather than bedrock. The Iraq war has lasted longer than any American conflict except for Vietnam and has cost more than any shooting match except for World War II. Leave aside for a moment the more than 4,200 U.S. deaths and 30,000 casualties, and ask a very basic question: Did President Bush's prosecution of the war -- he declared an end to major hostilities in May 2003 -- and his direction of the ongoing occupation make you feel better about the government's ability to execute core functions?

Or, like the bungled federal response to Hurricane Katrina (later made good by shoveling billions of pork-laden tax dollars to the Gulf area) and the rushed, secretive, and ever-changing bailout of the financial sector, did it make you want to simply Give up on paying these clowns to respond to anything!!

Mr. Bush's legacy is thus a bizarro version of Ronald Reagan's. Reagan entered office declaring that government was not the solution to our problems, it was the problem. Ironically, he demonstrated that government could do some important things right -- he helped tame inflation and masterfully drew the Cold War to a nonviolent triumph for the Free World. By contrast, Mr. Bush has massively expanded the government along with the sense that government is incompetent.

That is no small accomplishment -- and its pernicious effects will last long after Mr. Bush has moved back to Texas, and President Obama has announced that his stimulus package, originally tagged at $750 billion and already up to $825 billion, will cost $1 trillion or more. Mr. Bush has cleared the way for President Obama to intervene more and more in the economy and every other aspect of American life.

They found that "distrust fuels support for government control over the economy. What is perhaps most interesting about this finding . . . is that distrust generates demand for regulation even when people realize that the government is corrupt and ineffective."

George W. Bush has certainly taught us that government really can't be trusted to be very effective, or open, or smart. He has also taught us that government can always get bigger on every level and every way. It's a sad lesson that we'll be learning for many years to come. SO Paul-ejb When you get off your high horse amp; realize your unwavering trust of these idiots, who claim to be small gov. conservatives, then turn out to be puppets for the K street mafia who control Washington then you'll never get change.Bush handed this Obama idiot an open run at this disaster your so afraid of; "on a silver platter"!! I warned you folks about more bushes in the white house, but no one listened.So sit back and enjoy what you guy's asked for and deserve 100% no wait 110% lol!!ha!!ah!!ha!!ha!!ah!!

Any idiot could see this coming a mile away if you id your home work and checked his record out in Texas,But no one did just like Obama.

Hell he had no record to speak of this Obama guy.This country is easily lead "like cattle". folks need to open their eye's, educate them selves to how these clowns operate and hold them accountable buy shrinking their roll in our lives period."""END OF STORY"""

Davel6969
Davel6969

Chew on this for a min.Then realize it's do-able, but neither party will administer the plan, because it takes away the power from both party's.

Davel6969
Davel6969

Finally a real budget plan from a disabled economist, myself, in idaho. Instead of trying to fix what's broken, its time to start anew.

So here's part one of my 26 point plan

1) Proposal : My first

proposal is a drastic restructuring of the tax code. Literally I would burn the entire tax code as

it stands, repeal the 16th amendment which authorized income taxes,

and in its place put in an amendment guaranteeing and limiting the federal

government to a 10% national sales tax on all but the following items: health

and medical care, food stuffs, and higher education (tuition and books). There will be no taxes on savings accounts

of any kind, no taxes on charitable organizations, no capital gains taxes, and

no inheritance taxes. No further adjustments

to tax rates will be allowed. Impact: The first and greatest this impact will have

will be the termination of the internal revenue service and removal of 106000

employees from the governments payroll.

Instead they should be able to find work as accountants in private

business or starting their own accounting agencies. All tax revenues will be

paid directly to the Treasury Department. It will take approximately one year

to shut down the IRS with their on going case load unless the president provides

a blanket amnesty for all cases currently in audit. Speaking of closing out audits, the entire

tax court system can be shut down as well.

Secondly, taxes going from an average of 40% including SSI, Medicare,

UIB, state and local taxes will free up 30% additional discretionary income for

personal savings, charity, education, and family medical care. Impacts on Social Security, Disability, and

Medicare will be discussed in the next item.

The one thing I cannot forecast accurately will be the growth rate or

how long that growth rate will be sustained.

My initial estimations are that it will be an inflation adjusted 5-6%

for several years, but this is a guesstimate as I do not have the necessary

software or latest macro economic modeling data to make a reasonable

forecast. This is also further

complicated by the fact that I would have to predict the money supply and

ultimately the new money multiplier. I

will allow that I have incorporated some social engineering into my proposal,

specifically no transaction taxes for charitable donations, education, health

care, and savings. The home mortgage

interest deduction will be eliminated and housing prices will adjust

accordingly. I figure 15-20% in some

places. The value of the HMI has been

discounted to a net present value and rolled into the initial principle of any

loan and the interest on that is then profit for the banks. This also raises prices faster than many

families can increase their annual incomes.

The new home prices will reflect the real and total costs of any future

loans. Why do I think deductions arer

bad? Because for every dollar spent on a

deduction, you will only get back your own marginal tax rate. So if you pay 25% in your tax rate you only

get 25 cents on the dollar back. No smart

investor accepts a negative rate of return and the government has deceived the

whole population with this. This is why

my 10% sales tax will work, the rates of return will be right up front and

there will be little room for disinformation. The benefit of this simplified

tax structure is that it eliminates the special benefits given to lobbyists,

and tax deductions which require an attorney to file your annual returns. It also simplifies the banking system so that

instead of multiple accounts for each deduction we can now have a couple of

accounts to take care of our finances. This

is also the most fair because the wealthy tend to spend more anyway, while the

lower income tend to spend on food, health care and education which are not

taxed. This is not a perfect proposal and I have

likely left something out but I can’t find it right now.

Other than this how can I share real ideas with the people?

Davel6969
Davel6969

That's how you handle it pal.

Davel6969
Davel6969

ya because Bush was saving what political carer he had left fighting In Iraq get your facts straight O-ya most Americans don't use them anymore huh??They tend to get in the way of reality where most Americans run from like the bottle staying drunk, pills or hard drugs.Come back to reality pal.Bush should of leveled the middle east like they did in ww2; its called carpet bombing or nuke-um like we did japan.Anyone who's a know terrorist should of had their mothers,fathers aunts uncles even their 3rd cousin found,rounded up and told give them up or die.Then warn the terrorist turn your self in or we will start killing your family members starting with your 3rd cousin and working our way up your family tree.GOT IT!! Then if that don't work carpet bombing the villages where they were born and working our way out from there till they get the hint.Bush should of never f-ed around with these fanatics. kill-um all let god sort-um out.Then we wouldn't be discussing this liberal idiot. (anyhow) Goes to show you none of them do it right.

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

 PaulieJ. OMG, I did not know you were one of those who refer to Obama as Barry. Yikes.

AfGuyReturns
AfGuyReturns

We had just come out of a "tar pit" called Vietnam.... in it up to our armpits and we left 58k dead there.

The Soviets never learned from our fisaco and got themselves into their OWN version of Vietnam called  Afghanistan.  Once again, in it up to their armpits.

In both cases, part of the Cold-War-by-proxy, the other side was able to keep the other occupied by sending in just enough military aid to keep the pot boiling.  Haiphong harbor was full of ships from Warsaw Pact powers (and some of our own "friends").

We sent portable SAM missiles into Afghanistan to counteract the gunships the Soviets had.  Enough anti-tank mines to  do the job many times over...

AND we also looked the other way over the Afghan poppy crop.  After all, there's drug policy and there's politics... and one needs to have one's current priorities straight.

In the rush to fight the Cold War through others, we have often provided the arms that, a generation later, have been used to shoot us in the a**, often wielded by our former "allies".

Never let it be said that we've EVER been in too much hurry to learn from past mistakes.

superlogi
superlogi

Don't humor the fool.  He could be a danger to himself and others if you pay attention to him.

AfGuyReturns
AfGuyReturns

Saddam wanted to assassinate GHWB at some point. Going into Iraq was personal for W - not a good basis for conducting a military action or foreign policy.

Unfortunately, he was surrounded by "advisors" who were only too happy to provide him the cover to do so, as they wanted the same thing, but for much different reasons.

Had they found WMD after the invasion, all would have been forgiven. Powell let the cat out of the bag when he speculated what the world would think if they DIDN'T find those.

Not sure Cheney REALLY cared if they didn't, but he was staking any administrational reputation he might have had on them retroactively finding something to justify the invasion.

If they didn't find anything, but the occupation worked out to be relatively painless then, once again, no harm, no foul.

Davel6969
Davel6969

Why because Reagan didn't want to get his hands dirty with the Russians.Who where pretty much bluffing about all their capability's during Reagan's time in office.He just caved politically when it came to calling them on it. Witch he wanted to do I'll give him that.He just buckled to the politics.My money would of been on Goldwater and him not caving into the foolish,when it came to Russia.

Davel6969
Davel6969

And you guy's insulting Barry's name like that, when he the only true Conservative other then well ok Reagan I still hold amnesty against him and training terrorist ok religious fanatics.STOP DON'T SAY HE DIDN'T they are all religious fanatics over there.Look how they teat women, animals and children.How do you trust people like that.We trusted the Shaw of Iran the Saudis just look at standard oil in the 20s how they got ran out.Over being infidels on holly lands come on their counting the cash now huh?We can't trust any of those fanatics as fair as we can throw them.Reagan did though, but he sent the cia back after the guns and bombs.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

I think you're the only one who's keeping score that way.

ARTraveler
ARTraveler

That's because those were NATO troops there to replace the American troops that Bush 2 sent into Iraq to be killed.  That's why the US reputation in Europe was in shreads by the end of Bush 2's term.  They finally got fed up by Bush's attitude and announced pull-outs and have been replaced by Americans  plus an AGGRESSIVE 30,000 scale-up.  That's why US casulaties are up-rather than hold ground, the U S troops have been attacking. 

Davel6969
Davel6969

Think about the fact's before you argue your point.OK Even Bush commented on that issue and said the same thing.

Davel6969
Davel6969

That's because Bush had his head up Iraq's A** Hardly wasting his time over there.My brother was there Afghanistan and Iraq back and forth.He said they were getting hardly any missions any support in Afghanistan Bush was focused on saving his political carer in Iraq.When he was deployed to Iraq 8 months latter he said it was a night,day difference.So ya you will lose more folks when you decide to fight.(don't you think)

Davel6969
Davel6969

They all have our boy'z fighting for free trade routes with handcuffs on; all the while saving their political asses here at home.Bush O-Bummer Kennedy Nixon Ford and so on

Davel6969
Davel6969

Ok I see we got another blind 60s guy here.We should of been kicking a** over there the whole time.Take the hand cuffs off our boy'z and let them fight.Bush wasted time lives and everything else in Iraq. Afghanistan was a forgotten war in Bushes last 3 years.O-Bummer's just trying to save his political carer like bush did with Iraq.FACE THE FACTS PAL. they all do it.

nflfoghorn
nflfoghorn

Thanks, Mr. T.

Davel6969
Davel6969

Your welcome, someones got to handle that clown.What a blow hard, "fool" can't stand that idiot.

Curious_Quiche
Curious_Quiche

First it was "He hasn't gotten us out! Our boys are dying for nothing!" Now it's "He's blown it, we haven't stayed long enough, they know when we're leaving!" The people in Afghanistan are going to have to get their own ducks in a row eventually. The Taliban aren't going anywhere. They live there. What happened to all this self sufficiency stuff those conservatives find so laudable? Could it be that they are indifferent to the war and its related suffering and just want something to yap about? Could they be so disingenuous? Perish the thought.

Besides, we don't really need the whole glorious spectacle of American military might over there anyhow. The President is doing fairly well without them. Anti-terrorism air mail. Maybe they could fold it in to the Postal Service. It would do wonders for their budget.

superlogi
superlogi

This buffoon who sees himself as the reincarnation of chesty puller and keeps presenting that vision to the world with classified information leaks, is the most incompetent twit ever to be given the honor of Commander in Chief.  If you could screw your own troops more or aid an abet their enemies more, I don't know how how you could be better at it than the mindless twit occupying the White House.  I fought in LBJ's war and even he wasn't as bad.  With regard to Afghanistan, that wars already been blown.  So, I agree, let's get the he!! out, immediately.

No one on either side wants to stay. In fact, no one on either side ever wanted to go in the first place. That is simply a delusional belief many progressives, like yourself, would have everyone believe. In fact, having actually fought in a war (Vietnam) and having visited Afghanistan (the arsehole of the world) I can tell you for an absolute fact those people who are there, don't want to be. In fact, most Afghanis would rather be somewhere else.

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

The NYT published some stories and folks like you concluded the leaks were from the WH. I have done a search on the claims you allege against the President, and there is no proof that he leaked or declassified any information that endangered the lives of our troops.

You should NOT allege that our President committed Treason. You have no proof that he did, neither is there proof the leaks were from the WH.   

superlogi
superlogi

I may have called him treacherous which I agree he is.  But, since he can declassify any information he wants as C i C, even though it could get someone killed, I doubt he could be charged with treason for leaking confidential or classified information.  The proof has already been published by the progressive rag called the NYT.  Or, are you suggesting they made it all up?

Benevolent Lawyer
Benevolent Lawyer

Your hate of Obama is mortifying, pale in comparison to the violence,

attacks and extreme LIBELOUS claims you continue to espouse.

Where is the PROOF that our Commander in Chief, President Obama, is committing TREASON?????

You allege in your claims that he is leaking classified information and screwing his own troops. These are pretty heavy accusations.  WHERE IS THE PROOF???

apr2563
apr2563

But, but, but Romney and his neo con friends want to stay....