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Shame on You, John McCain

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Arizona Senator John McCain speaks at the Tampa Bay Times Forum in Florida on Aug. 29, 2012

Listening to John McCain on Wednesday night, you had to wonder if Sheldon Adelson had been giving him some kind of break at the craps tables. His speech was a noxious compendium of the usual neocon blather. He rehearsed the canard that President Obama didn’t stand up for the Green Revolution protesters in the streets of Tehran (if he had, the regime would have had the rationale for a mass slaughter … oh, and by the way, the leadership of the Green Party, which I interviewed that week, vehemently expressed its support for the Iranian nuclear program — all except Mir-Hossein Mousavi, who sadly reached out to Obama in an interview with me the night before the Iranian election was stolen).

And then there’s Syria, where John McCain sees freedom fighters, and the Israeli intelligence apparatus (and the Prime Minister’s office) sees the threat of al-Qaeda.

The point is, these things are complicated. But not to McCain. In an interview with Candy Crowley after his speech, the Senator drifted into bilious fantasyland. Asked about the difference between Obama and Mitt Romney on Iran, he said, “One of them has a relationship with Israel.” And then he said, “There is no U.S. credibility in the Middle East.” And then he said, “The people of Israel are being slaughtered.”

Nonsense, all of it. As Wolf Blitzer — who should receive a reward for truth telling this week — pointed out after McCain slunk off the screen, the military and intelligence relationship between the U.S. and Israel is stronger than it has ever been. The joint cyberwarfare effort has been devastating to the Iranian nuclear program. There are differences, to be sure. The U.S. President, following the precedent of all his predecessors since Richard Nixon, thinks the expansion of Jewish settlements in Palestinian lands is a bad idea.

Obama has wisely scaled down the war against al-Qaeda and other Islamic extremists to the special forces, drone operation it should have been all along. It has been extremely effective. So far as I can tell, McCain’s position as he approaches his dotage, is full-scale war everywhere, whenever possible.

This is disastrous, dangerous and sad.

99 comments
PabloSchwartz
PabloSchwartz

.. word on the street is that confederates of the Mujahedin-e-Khalq terror cult and operatives for terrorist media financier Alwaleed bin Talal will be meeting in the City of New York, Monday Dec. 3rd 2012 @ 7 pm.Where? 768 5th Ave. Why? to plot destruction, naturally. We have been unable to determine what code-phrase will be used to gain admission to the Plotters' Ball. "Dan Quayle's brain" is rather too obvious. "Midge Decter's penis" perhaps?"

(will McCain be there?)

MissClarity
MissClarity

McCain came out of prison camp stuffed fat as a pig in his 'Whites" while his prison mates came out in filthy  shredded uniforms and skinny as a skeleton. Must have been nice to have a father Admiral in the Navy floating offshore as a reminder. Good for McCain, bad for his "buddies".  BUT what worse is to tell the story anyother way is a lie.  You saw it when "they" were released and the world saw it.

DebbieR
DebbieR

Seems McCanin sadly thinks he understands or know anything about foreign policy or any facts about what is truly going on in the rest of the world (and even more so thinks he is an expert on war or civil unrest) because he was once a soldier. 

LenSimpson
LenSimpson

elections can't be won with wimp candidates , regardless of affiliation.

wotsales
wotsales like.author.displayName 1 Like

An  irrelevant old man.

Gulfcoastcommentary
Gulfcoastcommentary

Why don't you sit down and interview him personally?  Then report on that.   You'll never be able to do a great report on someone or their positions without having a rapport and a degree of empathy/sympathy for the other's viewpoints.  Oprah is good at that. She doesn't attack her subjects.

 McCain is a great man; honest and frank speaking.  Big surprise if he's not correct about everything!  He's getting on in age and misspeaks too.  If you politely challenged him in a one-on-one interview, I'll bet you'll get a very good response.  Heaven forbid if you actually learned something!   When is the last time that happened?

There's a tinge of an entirely emotional tirade to this story that is unfitting for a major news outlet and for a significant member of the press.  

What ever happened to news reporting?  Whatever happened to a Free and Independent press?  Vigorous, Unbiased, Competent are other words to describe a Free Press.  

http://gulfcoastcommentary.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-medias-sacred-role-in-democracy.html

romano71
romano71

What bothers me about McCain is that he is indeed a war hero. He has credibility and he should know better than what he is saying. It is disappointing that he has to use lies to make a political statement and it just goes to show that republicans are doing whatever it takes to win, regardless of whether it is immoral or not. The truth is always the first casualty in war and this "war" conservatives started is not against democrats, it is against reason, logic, the truth and above all, against the interests of the average American citizen. Sad day when in the great US of A, our leaders are more interested in power than in their own country.

nuuanumama
nuuanumama like.author.displayName 1 Like

I feel sad for John McCain, he won't be able to resist the ravages of age as he resisted the abuse as a POW.  I just hope he will retire before he makes himself a mockery in spite of all he has achievd.

Joseph Hitselberger
Joseph Hitselberger

This is a moronic post by a journalistic amateur.  "Shame on you?"  Who is Klein?  John McCain's mother?  Klein is extending the idiotic blather about McCain from the 2008 election.  The reality is that John McCain is quite independent and thoughtful about foreign policy.  If he feels someone is wrong, he will criticize them, regardless of where they are within the political spectrum, as he recently did with Sean Hannity concerning Hannity's view on the recent events in Egypt and Libya.

Get it right.  McCain is a well-respected senior statesmen.  He earned his stripes being a veteran and a POW.  You can disagree with him, but he's earned the respect of the nation.  Shame?  McCain has been in public service for 50 years.  He can stand proud.  He also has the humility that Klein obviously does not.

Gulfcoastcommentary
Gulfcoastcommentary

@Joseph Hitselberger I agree with you. Mr. Klein hardly has anything close to the "heft" of a distinguished statesman like McCain.  What are Klein's credentials?  Novelist?  Partisan?   There's no doubt that Mr. Klein has a great deal of experience in writing, but I don't feel any sort of empathy or respect that would mark a great journalist.   I left a comment above to challenge Mr Klein to interview McCain one on one and do a proper interview.  There is a familiar "emotional tirade" tinge to this article that betrays disrespect and contempt for his subject.  It certainly isn't objective or investigative!   

Joe Klein, you've sort of lost your way in this business...unless your business is "Democratic party press officer."  Everyone is entitled to opinions, but like ***holes, everyone has one.  They are dime a dozen.  Journalists are dime a dozen.  There aren't many people have served their country for 50 years with such a distinguished record as John McCain.  They are NOT a dime a dozen.  A little more respect please.  Talk to him for real.  

Patrick McCullough
Patrick McCullough

"Well, that and experiencing universal healthcare firsthand and seeing what a difference it could make to the citizens of a country and for the country"

The republican version of universal healthcare is that people are dying left and right...   I ask my friends I communicate via an online role playing game who live in many countries (U.K. , Germany)  and they all say its great.

 

They kinda said yeah...thats America when I told them my last medical condition drained over five-thousands dollars (my reserve savings)  even though I had insurance.  The insurance bill... $ 78,000 more than the sum total of all debt I have.

mdshams22
mdshams22

who gives a crap ??  It is all the same John Mccain, Barak Obama or Mitt Romney.

Sam Solomon
Sam Solomon

Other than Richard Nixon, has there ever been a losing presidential candidate, like John McCain, who has continued to contest the winning candidate for the duration of the latter's term?   Once an admirable, bipartisan politician able to make statesman-like distinctions on the field of political battle, McCain started a downward spiral during his failed 2008 campaign--and he's since failed to break his fall from grace.  He has reached a pathetic level--having flipped on almost as many positions as Romney.

Sad.

Indiana_Guy
Indiana_Guy

Wonderful article - I was thinking along the same lines watching his speech. I certainly appreciate what he did in the service of our country but McCain's cheese has slid off his cracker.

oldwhiteguy
oldwhiteguy

McCain disappoints because just about the time you start to respect him for some things he says, he falls into the stupid pit.  But then, the GOP has little it can say about foreign policy. George Bush pretty much blew that one for them.  Obama has been patient, cautious and decisive.   His predecessor was misguided and were it not for the sad consequences, comical.

TianbianHaiou
TianbianHaiou

John McCain lies. Why?

Paul Ryan lies. Why?

Mitt Romney lies. Why?

Deficiency of the mind, heart, and soul !

Joseph Hitselberger
Joseph Hitselberger

You obviously suck up all media distortions.  John McCain, Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney and Barack Obama are real people.  There are political philosophies and ideas at stake.  To say the intellectual equivalent of "liar, liar, pants on fire, hanging on a telephone wire"  is a child's mentality.  

Democracy and the exchange of ideas do not function in the presence of such name calling.  We want our politicians to think and exchange ideas.  We want them to compromise.  We do not want them to follow this bad example and call each other names.

TianbianHaiou
TianbianHaiou

Intelligence/sincerity is when one's thoughts, words, and deeds are in harmony. Obviously Mitt Romney has not.

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"Sometimes people are in a situation where they need help." Can Romney ever put himself in others' shoes? ""I'm poor as a church mouse," said Romney, who has an estimated fortune of $250 million." But then "Romney told the donors there are people who say to him, "'Oh, you were born with a silver spoon,' you know, you never had to earn anything,' and so forth. And, and frankly, I was born with a silver spoon, which is the greatest gift you could have, which is to get born in America. I'll tell ya, there is -- 95 percent of life is set up for you if you're born in this country."" Really? Why? How? 

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kikojones
kikojones

Does anyone really care what Grandpa Simpson has to say at this point?

knipthelies
knipthelies

I stand corrected. Forgive me.  What political  opinions would you like to share with the world?  

Your chance to shine.  Be creative.  Just remember that words like $X@X$!  are way overused.

knipthelies
knipthelies

Deleted a part of my post three times. Apparently someone has decided that you are not privy to read it.

knipthelies
knipthelies

Fascinating guys, they really don't want you to read this part. They have deleted it twice.

We are the type of people who care for our senior citizens and work to provide some type of basic safety net for them when their hands can no longer supply “profitable” work for their employers.We are the type of people that could not “conscionably” allow children to go without basic medical care or food because their parents could not afford healthcare for anyone in their family, including their children.

Karl Warrington
Karl Warrington

I really hope people seriously question whether or not we can trust Ryan and Romney.  The shocking fiction that they tell about their opponents is truly scary.  You many not agree with Obama on policy, but to simply tell lies until people believe those lies in really sad. 

Joseph Hitselberger
Joseph Hitselberger

Again, idiocy.  Ryan and Romney believe what they say.  They believe they have good policies for the country.  For them to be liars, they would have to believe that they are telling lies.  They don't.  Their policies may be wrong to an extent, but they are not liars.  If someone says eleven squared is 141, they would be wrong, but they wouldn't be a liar.

Don't debase the political debate by calling those you disagree with liars.  We should compliment our candidates (Democrat and Republican) for being willing to put up with stupid criticism from the peanut gallery.

knipthelies
knipthelies

Interesting that the SWAMP removed this from my post. Why would that be?

We are the type of people who care for our senior citizens and work to provide some type of basic safety net for them when their hands can no longer supply “profitable” work for their employers.We are the type of people that could not “conscionably” allow children to go without basic medical care or food because their parents could not afford healthcare for anyone in their family, including their children.  

knipthelies
knipthelies

To theoldkathy,

Yes I was a Republican. I was a registered “R” and I voted accordingly. My political philosophy was pretty simplistic back then. As far as I was concerned the Federal government should have VERY little authority or responsibilities. I had boiled them down to three:

knipthelies
knipthelies

Maintain a strong national security overseas and at home.

Maintain interstate highways and critical infrastructure.

Maintain our national freedoms as stated both in the “Constitution” and “The Bill of Rights“.

knipthelies
knipthelies

Pretty straightforward right? Who could argue with that? If only life could be so simple as what we pretend or wish it to be. I hadn’t yet realized that our society was and is much more complex than that. However, I was beginning to realize that the Republican ideology kept reverberating  the same drum beats over and over again in my brain:  “Wealth will trickle down“ “Tax cuts are always good“ “The bottom line is king” “Profits at all costs” “Keep government out of our business” “Deregulate, deregulate, deregulate!” “The wealthy are job creators”. “Social programs are bad” “Vigilance against communism”.  After a while I got the sense I was dancing to a tune that someone was making some serious coin off of.

knipthelies
knipthelies

When basic healthcare for all Americans during the Clinton administration became the object of all Republican scorn and vindictiveness, I began to rethink what it meant to be “American”.  I thought; “We have the highest per capita income in the world. We have the strongest economy in the world. We have the highest standard of living in the world. Why is it now that we cannot arrange some basic healthcare for all Americans“? I couldn’t wrap my mind around that.

knipthelies
knipthelies

My previous post describes what I had learned from that conflict so I won’t reiterate it now. But I will describe another shift in my thinking. I came to a place of believing that America was much more than slogans about “greed is good” and “profits above all”.  And when you really boiled it down “Americans” were people, everyday people, with everyday dreams. And together we made a nation that impacted the world far greater than the sum of our business parts.

knipthelies
knipthelies

We are the type of people who would battle an evil “white supremacy regime” who was far more militarily advanced than us - to the bitter end. And then for decades afterward work to rebuild the lives of the war ravaged survivors of that very same war against Nazi Germany.

knipthelies
knipthelies

We are the type of people who would battle an evil “white supremacy regime” who was far more militarily advanced than us - to the bitter end. And then for decades afterward work to rebuild the lives of the war ravaged survivors of that very same war against Nazi Germany.

knipthelies
knipthelies

We are the type of people who care for our senior citizens and work to provide some type of basic safety net for them when their hands can no longer supply “profitable” work for their employers.

We are the type of people that could not “conscionably” allow children to go without basic medical care or food because their parents could not afford healthcare for anyone in their family, including their children.  

knipthelies
knipthelies

We are the type of people who would battle an evil “white supremacy regime” who was far more militarily advanced than us - to the bitter end. And then for decades afterward work to rebuild the lives of the war ravaged survivors of that very same war against Nazi Germany.

We are the type of people who care for our senior citizens and work to provide some type of basic safety net for them when their hands can no longer supply “profitable” work for their employers.

We are the type of people that could not “conscionably” allow children to go without basic medical care or food because their parents could not afford healthcare for anyone in their family, including their children.  

knipthelies
knipthelies

We are the type of people who create a legal system that proclaims “You are innocent until proven guilty.” And you must be proven guilty in front of a jury of your peers. And we will provide you with legal council if you cannot afford one.  Someone really meant it when they said, “Liberty and Justice for All”.

We are the type of people that create entire hospitals across our country to provide medical care to our veterans who earned “their stripes” by willing to serve and even die for the country they so deeply love.

knipthelies
knipthelies

Lets try bite sized,

We are a country that realizes that unless we are direct descendents of a native American Indian tribe, we ALL are immigrants or descendants of immigrants. And this does not make us weaker, it makes us who we are today.  I came to realize that THIS is who are, and we are most definitely NOT some set of numbers on some corporate “bottom line.”

knipthelies
knipthelies

Lets try bite sized,

We are the type of people who would battle an evil “white supremacy regime” who was far more militarily advanced than us - to the bitter end. And then for decades afterward work to rebuild the lives of the war ravaged survivors of that very same war against Nazi Germany.We are the type of people who care for our senior citizens and work to provide some type of basic safety net for them when their hands can no longer supply “profitable” work for their employers.We are the type of people that could not “conscionably” allow children to go without basic medical care or food because their parents could not afford healthcare for anyone in their family, including their children.  We are the type of people who create a legal system that proclaims “You are innocent until proven guilty.” And you must be proven guilty in front of a jury of your peers. And we will provide you with legal council if you cannot afford one.  Someone really meant it when they said, “Liberty and Justice for All”.We are the type of people that create entire hospitals across the our country to provide medical care to our veterans who earned “their stripes” by willing to serve and even die for the country they so deeply love.We are a country that realizes that unless we are direct descendents of a native American Indian tribe, we ALL are immigrants or descendants of immigrants. And this does not make us weaker, it makes us who we are today.  I came to realize that THIS is who are, and we are most definitely NOT some set of numbers on some corporate “bottom line.”

knipthelies
knipthelies

They seem to not like manifestos. Apparently they believe they are not worth the minute or so it takes to read them.

My apologies for a "winded" opinion.

knipthelies
knipthelies

All,

Why is the SWAMP suddenly nixing my posts? Do they not like what I have to say?

knipthelies
knipthelies

To theoldkathy,

Yes I was a Republican. I was a registered “R” and I voted accordingly. My political philosophy was pretty simplistic back then. As far as I was concerned the Federal government should have VERY little authority or responsibilities. I had boiled them down to three:

Maintain s strong national security overseas and at home.

Maintain interstate highways and critical infrastructure.

Maintain our national freedoms as stated in both the “Constitution” and “The Bill of Rights“.

Pretty straightforward right? Who could argue with that? If only life could be so simple as what we pretend or wish it to be. I hadn’t yet realized that our society was and is much more complex than that. However, I was beginning to realize that the Republican ideology kept reverberating  the same drum beats over and over again in my brain:  “Wealth will trickle down“ “Tax cuts are always good“ “The bottom line is king” “Profit at all costs” “Keep government out of our business” “Deregulate, deregulate, deregulate!” “The wealthy are job creators”. “Social programs are bad” “Vigilance against communism”.  After a while I got the sense I was dancing to a tune that someone was making some serious coin off of.

When basic healthcare for all Americans during the Clinton administration became the object of all Republican scorn and vindictiveness, I began to rethink what it meant to be “American”.  I thought; “We have the highest per capita income in the world. We have the strongest economy in the world. We have the highest standard of living in the world. Why is it now that we cannot arrange some basic healthcare for all Americans“? I couldn’t wrap my mind around that.

My previous post describes what I had learned from that conflict so I won’t reiterate it now. But I will describe another shift in my thinking. I came to a place of believing that America was much more than slogans about “greed is good” and “profits above all”.  And when you really boiled it down “Americans” were people, everyday people, with everyday dreams. And together we made a nation that impacted the world far greater than the sum of our business parts.

We are the type of people who would battle an evil “white supremacy regime” who was far more militarily advanced than us - to the bitter end. And then for decades afterwards work to rebuild the lives of the war ravaged survivors of that very same war against Nazi Germany.

We are the type of people who care for our senior citizens and work to provide some type of basic safety net for them when their hands can no longer supply “profitable” work for their employers.

We are the type of people that could not “conscionably” allow children to go without basic medical care or food because their parents could not afford healthcare for anyone in their family, including their children.  

We are the type of people who create a legal system that proclaims “You are innocent until proven guilty.” And you must be proven guilty in front of a jury of your peers. And we will provide you with legal council if you cannot afford one.  Someone really meant it when they said, “Liberty and Justice for All”.

We are the type of people that create entire hospitals across the our country to provide medical care to our veterans who earned “their stripes” by willing to serve and even die for the country they so deeply love.

We are a country that realizes that unless we are direct descendents of a native American Indian tribe, we ALL are immigrants, or descendants of immigrants. And this does not make us weaker, it makes us who we are today.  

I came to realize that THIS is who are, and we are most definitely NOT some set of numbers on some corporate “bottom line.”

apr2563
apr2563

Shame on John McCain, Condi Rice and other war criminals that the MSM has loved so well.

Hemant Chadha
Hemant Chadha

John McCain is a millionaire and his son serves in military and been posted in IRAQ during the way many time. How many kids of rich politican has done that?

He had send a charter plane from his expenses to rescue all the animals when katrina happened.  I believe he is a true patriotic.

Andrew Weber
Andrew Weber

There's a difference between being patriotic and stupid. Being patriotic has nothing to do with this story.

razorback10
razorback10

His patriotism isn't in question. Its his ability to be intelligent.

Eromose
Eromose

I have always thought that McCain is vastly over-rated, his persona and his views promoted by an easily excitable media which doted on the 'maverick' image which they helped to create around him. The truth is that McCain is just a warmonger and a grumpy old man who has never forgiven Obama,the black dude who whipped him at the polls. McCain's ideas are dotty and his manners often offensive. With every passing day now, he dances naked.

C57C
C57C

Good god man! I was waiting for Big John to pull out a pistol and start shooting up the auditorium yelling WAR WAR WAR!

Kurt Eckhardt
Kurt Eckhardt

Would John McCain have assassinated three American citizens in Yemen without due process?

RealityBased
RealityBased

Considering his contragulations to the President and the armed forces who carried out that mission, yes he certainly would have...and a lot more!

Cthulhu Shrugged
Cthulhu Shrugged

Given his hawkishness, I'd venture to say the number under "President McCain" would've been far higher... not that we'd have known.