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politathiest
politathiest

Well Liblies, I've "waited" for your response. If you post, sorry gota go to bed soon so make up whatever dribble you can think of. Face it Christianity as described in NT has all the terminology of , scriptures sounding like it supports, and examples capitalists cringe at, that proved them to be socialist at least, communist at best! Either way, it condems accumulation of wealthy, chastised the wealthy as uncaring, promotes shared sacrifice and redistribution. All things anathema to the GOP, All the "reinterpretations" you can think of can not undo the obvious.

paulejb
paulejb

"Mr. President, take your campaign of division and anger and hate back to Chicago," Romney said while campaigning in Ohio.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballo... 

Attaboy, Mitt. "Punch back twice as hard!"

politathiest
politathiest

the following article is from salsman, a forbs contributor who is also called "the capitalist". he makes liblies and paulebj look like a hippie liberal . his attitude is ultimately where the gop will end up . he does make some interesting points I must say . Your thoughts?

The faintest familiarity with Scripture reminds people to reject reason, science and facts in favor of faith, the supernatural, and miracles, to believe that “love of money is the root of all evil,” that “a rich man cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven,” that “the meek shall inherit the Earth,” that self-sacrifice is morally “noble,” that self-esteem and pride are “sinful,” that “it’s better to give than to receive,” that we must serve neighbors and become our “brother’s keeper” while “turning the other cheek” to one’s enemies so they might strike us repeatedly, with impunity. It’s clear that right-wing conservatives embrace such anti-life, anti-capitalist notions, while simultaneously claiming the welfare state shouldn’t be so big or taxes so onerous. As such the religious right is unavoidably hypocritical. In contrast, the religious left is at least consistent, albeit in a perverse manner, especially when it concedes openly that its case for the welfare state rests on Scripture.

A good example of this is MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell, a self-styled socialist and doggedly devoted Christian who just chided Rush Limbaugh for not being religious enough –thus not statist enough. “To the question of ‘What would Jesus take?’the answer is: everything,” said O’Donnell, “not 35%, not 39.6% –but 100%,” for “in the New Testament’s Gospel of St. Mark, when a man approaches Jesus and asks him ‘what shall I do to inherit eternal life?’[Mark 10:17], Jesus says to him ‘go and sell all your possessions and give to the poor and you will have treasure in Heaven.’ [Mark 10:21]”

Per O’Donnell “ Jesus also said ‘Any of you who do not give up everything he has, cannot be my disciple.’ [Luke 14:33],” and “those are the words of Jesus Christ. Give up everything,” so “while Jesus may not have specified specific tax brackets, he was the first recorded advocate of a progressive income tax.” “Obviously, Jesus would take from each according to their ability to pay. That is the clear, Christian, philosophical basis of a progressive income tax.” Sadly, O’Donnell is right: there’s much in common betweenn Karl Marx and Jesus Christ. Neither is a pro-capitalist.

politathiest
politathiest

Dang, did he realy say that! Unfortunately that's really what most conserv repubs believe but can't bare to acknowledge! Ain't that right Liblies?

politathiest
politathiest

Jesus says to him ‘go and sell all your possessions and give to the poor and you will have treasure in Heaven.’ [Mark 10:21]”. ANOTHER SOCIALIST SOUNDING redistribution of wealth. And not yet one example of support for unrestrained capitalism from Liblies!

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

 "Nowhere in the scriptures does Jesus admonish us to give all our possessions to the government."

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Where does it say that you must hand the poor your possessions yourself?

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Where was the words, democracy, voting, elections in the bible?

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If one can use an intermediary such as a Synagogue or church to bring your possessions to the needy, why would it not be the only moral thing to do is to vote for higher taxes for yourself to give more to the poor?

politathiest
politathiest

I've posted most of the scriptures describing a socialist sharing mindset. Since you can't or don't read posts more than one sentence long ill resubmit...again. Of course Christianity wasn't large enough to have a formal government, they did live in a communities that functioned like small town "governments". In that sense they would have been labeled communist as they shared all in common (read it its in there...SORRY) . They even had a redistribution plan lead by Stephen. If Christianity doesn't speak to a "governmental" model then isn't ironic that the GOP wants the "government" to enforce "christian ideals" (at least their warp ideas of it) one the people. If the church doesn't speak about governments then GOVERNMENT SHOULDNT FORCE CHRISTIAN IDEAS ON EVERYONE! You can't have it both ways so which is it. A christan nation.... Or isn't it? .... Hypocrits!

Acts 2 : All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.

Acts 4: 2 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

paulejb
paulejb

poliathiest,

How odd. Nowhere in the scriptures does Jesus admonish us to give all our possessions to the government.

Neither does he mention a government program for the poor.

Doesn't sound at all socialist, poli.

politathiest
politathiest

Due to fact liblies can't read before he mouths off, ill resubmit my response to his. He can even be honest about defenitions

Liberallies less than conservs.,

I didn't write Acts 2 amp; 4 or the laws of jubilee but I relisted them below. " held property in common" , "distributed to each as they had need" ,"No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had". This was the golden standard, what we should be striving towards, not greedy accumulation!. If that was presented today and NT was unknown, they would ne called communist!! .... Deal with it. Christianity hasn't been pure since 4th century constintine. Evalgelicas today don't have a correct understanding of Christianity any more than18th century slave owners or 1930s Germany "christians"!

Here's a definition of socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned .... OR..... regulated by the community as a whole. There are many definitions and degrees of socialism.

If you want to take a most extreme and literal interpretaion then most of Europe is not "socialist" as they have private property and private business ownership. Why them does gop say they don't want to be like socialist Europe. I guess Murdock and Branson must be part of the state! Are they lieing about what they are... If so their being dishonest. Most people think of socialism in degrees of how much the government facilitates sharing of resources and regulating industry. Gop always says socialsecurity and Medicare are socialism.....well is it by strict interpretation? If they are then a majority of Americans like "our" socialism. We are socialist to some degree, other countries are more socialist, but most use a "market" economy also . The current best examples of pure unrestrained laissey faire capitalim is China and oligarcy Russia....go figure.

It's not about the "ism". That been used as a scare tactict for 100 years.

Acts 2 : All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.

Acts 4: 2 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

Rusty,

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Care for real debate?

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Then please answer the following:

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In a Marxist Stalinist State - perhaps your only understanding of "socialism" which is anti-liberal in all non-economic terms and not supported by anybody who considers themselves liberal - if there is no free will, would it be okay for a man to cheat on his wife?  If he no longer has any "free will" then would he still have the same standing with this creator you believe in as the man who remains devoutly loyal?

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Are all things about morality about money?

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Second, which impositions by regulation are preferred by your own deity:

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1) Destruction of the EPA making it legal for companies to resume (as they had in the past) to make the air around homes and schools unhealthy to breath and drinking water poisonous?

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3) The elimination of minimum wages bringing wages for the least skilled parents below what is needed to possibly provide food and shelter for their children?

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4)The elimination of welfare causing the poorest to beg or to rely on insufficient amounts from charities as was the case in cities and towns prior to the 189os and earliest, local welfare systems?

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5) The elimination of collective bargaining which provides opportunities for the workers who stay learning more and more how to do their job better and better with higher wages with seniority?

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6) The elimination of all healthcare to the poor bringing us back to a time when the poor died dramatically younger than the wealthy and middle class?

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Are you sure that you aren't a Satan worshiper?

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I may have become an atheist in my adult life, but, the theology you seem to espouse seems far more like Satan worship than any form of Christianity I have ever heard of (and I was a practicing Catholic for 26 years).

bobell
bobell

It won't work, Patrick.  I tried similar things, and he just posted nasties without paying  any atention to my questions.  They have no interest in discussing anything. We serve them as targets for insults and ridicule.

Don't give them the satisfaction of a reaction.  Join the rest of us on the wagon. Let them rant in their own little universe.

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

 "It won't work, Patrick. "

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I know.

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I am just pointing out the unimaginable absurdity of Rusty's argument and instead of bullying somebody into not responding the way he does, his lack of an even half baked response will be a clear mark to anybody that he has nothing but twisted talking points to say.

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"Don't give them the satisfaction of a reaction."

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He either won't react to my comment at all or he will just say something pathetic like claiming I am riding on top of a campaign bus. (I don't know what that is supposed to mean, if anything at all).

politathiest
politathiest

I'm in, After tonight ill ignore them too, there arguments are weak or sidestep the point made. At best a response to "whomever it may concern".

53underscore3
53underscore3

We can talk to each other, if they butt in, ignore them.  Let's discuss our own concerns instead of trying to disprove theirs.

I'm of a mind it will happen in the shakeout anyway.

bobell
bobell

We've spent the last several months getting fully educated about Rusty's absurdity, Patrick.  I'm as guilty of leeing him do it as anyone else.  But I've seen the light.  We don't need those absurdities demonstrated to us yet again, and all you're doing is reinforcing his behavior.  It's hard enough to carry on a sensible converstaion on this blog with all the crap being dumped on it.  You're just helping them use this place as their toilet.

I know your intentions are good, but the results aren't  Spare yourselves and all the rest of us.

Let's use tomorrow to reflect on what a terrible choice Paul Ryan is proving to be.  That's a lot more fun than swapping gibberish with a couple of clowns.

politathiest
politathiest

At least this tactic got rid of PauleBJ!

bobell
bobell

Don't count on it.  He'll be back tomorrow. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty from the likes of him.

LiberalLies2012
LiberalLies2012

Poltergeist says:

"I'll join the boycott soon, just watch above. It's fun to stimy them with subjects their to chicken or unequiped to handle."

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Polter THINKS he has "stimy" (sic) someone, but he was stymied and ran away once his religions socialism was beaten down to a pulp.  

Who is too chicken or unequiped Polter?  

Oh, get a Webster's dictionary or spell check and learn to spell while you are licking your wounds.

Just for you "Stimy"

sty·mie/ˈstīmē/

Verb:

Prevent or hinder the progress of.

politathiest
politathiest

The response is right below you and posted 5 minutes before yours...... Moron!

politathiest
politathiest

Liberallies less than conservs.,

I didn't write Acts 2 amp; 4 or the laws of jubilee but I relisted them below. " held property in common" , "distributed to each as they had need" ,"No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had". This was the golden standard, what we should be striving towards, not greedy accumulation!. If that was presented today and NT was unknown, they would ne called communist!! .... Deal with it. Christianity hasn't been pure since 4th century constintine. Evalgelicas today don't have a correct understanding of Christianity any more than18th century slave owners or 1930s Germany "christians"!

Here's a definition of socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned .... OR..... regulated by the community as a whole. There are many definitions and degrees of socialism.

If you want to take a most extreme and literal interpretaion then most of Europe is not "socialist" as they have private property and private business ownership. Why them does gop say they don't want to be like socialist Europe. I guess Murdock and Branson must be part of the state! Are they lieing about what they are... If so their being dishonest. Most people think of socialism in degrees of how much the government facilitates sharing of resources and regulating industry. Gop always says socialsecurity and Medicare are socialism.....well is it by strict interpretation? If they are then a majority of Americans like "our" socialism. We are socialist to some degree, other countries are more socialist, but most use a "market" economy also . The current best examples of pure unrestrained laissey faire capitalim is China and oligarcy Russia....go figure.

It's not about the "ism". That been used as a scare tactict for 100 years.

Acts 2 : All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.

Acts 4: 2 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

politathiest
politathiest

P.s,

One of the 6 nations with a greater gdp than the US is Norway. A country with some of the most socialist entitlements including a national health care. They also have an almost 1 trillion dollar surplus (= about 20 trillion for us) yet they have a market economy with conservative yet aggressive international Investments strategy. They didn't get sucked into risky financial products and cleaned up after the collapse. Two idea coexisting AND working great. Your gop boogie man argument are becoming apparent for what they are!

LiberalLies2012
LiberalLies2012

You really need to go to school.  GDP per capita is not relevant to GDP by country.

The US is number one in overall GDP with only the EU, the combined countries of Europe, slightly more.  Norway by and of itself ranks at 46.  

Go to school friend.  Thanks for playing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... 

politathiest
politathiest

Of course its relevant, you can't say some group with 10 people is better cause they produce more than a group with 3. but incase you want other examples with its 81.0 years of life expectancy, average annual income of $58,810 and 12.6 years of schooling--has now topped the Human Development Index(HDI) for all but two years since 2001. Now add their trillion dollar surplus.....their doing someting better than us....and a most socialist country st that....deal with it. The biggest problem with Gop is they can't stand the idea that someone besides the US might have good ideas in some areas that we can learn from. Sad, arogent, stupid!

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

 " GDP per capita is not relevant to GDP by country."

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In terms of what?

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The country with largest total GDP will have the most effect abroad such that the rest of the world will fluctuate with the largest economy.

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I am not sure who you believe is arguing that Norway will bring the world economy up or down.

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However, per capita GDP means the total amount of money earned per person on average which is the only thing most people care about when they want to take care of themselves and their families not how big their country's share of world total of GDP is.

politathiest
politathiest

Liberallies less than conservs.,

I didn't write Acts 2 amp; 4 or the laws of jubilee but I relisted them below. " held property in common" , "distributed to each as they had need" . If that was presented today they would ne called communist!! .... Deal with it. Christianity hasn't been pure since 4th century constintine. Evalgelicas today don't have a correct understanding of Christianity any more than18th century slave owners or Nazi Germany "christians"!

Here's a definition of socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distibution, and exchang should be owned .... OR..... regulated by the community as a whole. There are many definitions and degrees of socialism.

If you want to take a most extreme and literal interpretaion then most of Europe is not "socialist" as they have private property and private business ownership. Why them does gop say they don't want to be like socialist Europe. I guess Murdock and Branson must be part of the state! Are they lieing about what they are... If so their being dishonest. Most people think of socialism in degrees of how much the government facilitates sharing of resources and regulating industry. Gop always says socialsecurity and Medicare are socialism.....well is it by strict interpretation? If they are then a majority of Americans like "our" socialism. We are socialist to some degree, other countries are more socialist, but most use a "market" economy also . The current best examples of pure unrestrained laissey faire capitalim is China and oligarcy Russia....go figure.

It's not about the "ism". That been used as a scare tactict for 100 years.

politathiest
politathiest

Liberallies less than conservs.,

I didn't write Acts 2 amp; 4 or the laws of jubilee but I relisted them below. " held property in common" , "distributed to each as they had need" . If that was presented today they would ne called communist!! .... Deal with it. Christianity hasn't been pure since 4th century constintine. Evalgelicas today don't have a correct understanding of Christianity any more than18th century slave owners or Nazi Germany "christians"!

Here's a definition of socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned .... OR..... regulated by the community as a whole. There are many definitions and degrees of socialism.

If you want to take a most extreme and literal interpretaion then most of Europe is not "socialist" as they have private property and private business ownership. Why them does gop say they don't want to be like socialist Europe. I guess Murdock and Branson must be part of the state! Are they lieing about what they are... If so their being dishonest. Most people think of socialism in degrees of how much the government facilitates sharing of resources and regulating industry. Gop always says socialsecurity and Medicare are socialism.....well is it by strict interpretation? If they are then a majority of Americans like "our" socialism. We are socialist to some degree, other countries are more socialist, but most use a "market" economy also . The current best examples of pure unrestrained laissey faire capitalim is China and oligarcy Russia....go figure.

It's not about the "ism". That been used as a scare tactict for 100 years.

politathiest
politathiest

Liberallies less than conservs.,

I didn't write Acts 2 amp; 4 or the laws of jubilee but I relisted them below. " held property in common" , "distributed to each as they had need" . If that was presented today they would ne called communist!! .... Deal with it. Christianity hasn't been pure since 4th century constintine. Evalgelicas today don't have a correct understanding of Christianity any more than18th century slave owners or Nazi Germany "christians"!

Here's a definition of socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned .... OR..... regulated by the community as a whole. There are many definitions and degrees of socialism.

If you want to take a most extreme and literal interpretaion then most of Europe is not "socialist" as they have private property and private business ownership. Why them does gop say they don't want to be like socialist Europe. I guess Murdock and Branson must be part of the state! Are they lieing about what they are... If so their being dishonest. Most people think of socialism in degrees of how much the government facilitates sharing of resources and regulating industry. Gop always says socialsecurity and Medicare are socialism.....well is it by strict interpretation? If they are then a majority of Americans like "our" socialism. We are socialist to some degree, other countries are more socialist, but most use a "market" economy also . The current best examples of pure unrestrained laissey faire capitalim is China and oligarcy Russia....go figure.

It's not about the "ism". That been used as a scare tactict for 100 years.

politathiest
politathiest

Liberallies less than conservs.,

I didn't write Acts 2 amp; 4 or the laws of jubilee but I relisted them below. " held property in common" , "distributed to each as they had need" . If that was presented today they would ne called communist!! .... Deal with it. Christianity hasn't been pure since 4th century constintine. Evalgelicas today don't have a correct understanding of Christianity any more than18th century slave owners or Nazi Germany "christians"!

Here's a definition of socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned .... OR..... regulated by the community as a whole. There are many definitions and degrees of socialism.

If you want to take a most extreme and literal interpretaion then most of Europe is not "socialist" as they have private property and private business ownership. Why them does gop say they don't want to be like socialist Europe. I guess Murdock and Branson must be part of the state! Are they lieing about what they are... If so their being dishonest. Most people think of socialism in degrees of how much the government facilitates sharing of resources and regulating industry. Gop always says socialsecurity and Medicare are socialism.....well is it by strict interpretation? If they are then a majority of Americans like "our" socialism. We are socialist to some degree, other countries are more socialist, but most use a "market" economy also . The current best examples of pure unrestrained laissey faire capitalim is China and oligarcy Russia....go figure.

It's not about the "ism". That been used as a scare tactict for 100 years.

politathiest
politathiest

Liberallies less than conservs.,

I didn't write Acts 2 amp; 4 or the laws of jubilee but I relisted them below. " held property in common" , "distributed to each as they had need" . If that was presented today they would ne called communist!! .... Deal with it. Christianity hasn't been pure since 4th century constintine. Evalgelicas today don't have a correct understanding of Christianity any more than18th century slave owners or Nazi Germany "christians"!

Here's a definition of socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned .... OR..... regulated by the community as a whole. There are many definitions and degrees of socialism.

If you want to take a most extreme and literal interpretaion then most of Europe is not "socialist" as they have private property and private business ownership. Why them does gop say they don't want to be like socialist Europe. I guess Murdock and Branson must be part of the state! Are they lieing about what they are... If so their being dishonest. Most people think of socialism in degrees of how much the government facilitates sharing of resources and regulating industry. Gop always says socialsecurity and Medicare are socialism.....well is it by strict interpretation? If they are then a majority of Americans like "our" socialism. We are socialist to some degree, other countries are more socialist, but most use a "market" economy also . The current best examples of pure unrestrained laissey faire capitalim is China and oligarcy Russia....go figure.

It's not about the "ism". That been used as a scare tactict for 100 years.

politathiest
politathiest

Liberallies less than conservs.,

I didn't write Acts 2 amp; 4 or the laws of jubilee but I relisted them below. " held property in common" , "distributed to each as they had need" . If that was presented today they would ne called communist!! .... Deal with it. Christianity hasn't been pure since 4th century constintine. Evalgelicas today don't have a correct understanding of Christianity any more than18th century slave owners or Nazi Germany "christians"!

Here's a definition of socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned .... OR..... regulated by the community as a whole. There are many definitions and degrees of socialism.

If you want to take a most extreme and literal interpretaion then most of Europe is not "socialist" as they have private property and private business ownership. Why them does gop say they don't want to be like socialist Europe. Are they lieing about what they are... If so their being dishonest. Most people think of socialism in degrees of how much the government facilitates sharing of resources and regulating industry. Gop always says socialsecurity and Medicare are socialism.....well is it by strict interpretation? If they are then a majority of Americans like "our" socialism. We are socialist to some degree, other countries are more socialist, but most use a "market" economy also . The current best examples of pure unrestrained laissey faire capitalim is China and oligarcy Russia....go figure.

It's not about the "ism". That been used as a scare tactict for 100 years.

Acts 2 : All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.

Acts 4: 2 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

politathiest
politathiest

Liberallies less than conservs.,

I didn't write Acts 2 amp; 4 or the laws of jubilee but I relisted them below. " held property in common" , "distributed to each as they had need" . If that was presented today they would ne called communist!! .... Deal with it. Christianity hasn't been pure since 4th century constintine. Evalgelicas today don't have a correct understanding of Christianity any more than18th century slave owners or Nazi Germany "christians"!

Here's a definition of socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned .... OR..... regulated by the community as a whole. There are many definitions and degrees of socialism.

If you want to take a most extreme and literal interpretaion then most of Europe is not "socialist" as they have private property and private business ownership. Why them does gop say they don't want to be like socialist Europe. Are they lieing about what they are... If so their being dishonest. Most people think of socialism in degrees of how much the government facilitates sharing of resources and regulating industry. Gop always says socialsecurity and Medicare are socialism.....well is it by strict interpretation? If they are then a majority of Americans like "our" socialism. We are socialist to some degree, other countries are more socialist, but most use a "market" economy also . The current best examples of pure unrestrained laissey faire capitalim is China and oligarcy Russia....go figure.

It's not about the "ism". That been used as a scare tactict for 100 years.

Acts 2 : All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.

Acts 4: 2 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

politathiest
politathiest

Liberallies less than conservs.,

I didn't write Acts 2 amp; 4 or the laws of jubilee but I relisted them below. " held property in common" , "distributed to each as they had need" . If that was presented today they would ne called communist!! .... Deal with it. Christianity hasn't been pure since 4th century constintine. Evalgelicas today don't have a correct understanding of Christianity any more than18th century slave owners or Nazi Germany "christians"!

Here's a definition of socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned .... OR..... regulated by the community as a whole. There are many definitions and degrees of socialism.

If you want to take a most extreme and literal interpretaion then most of Europe is not "socialist" as they have private property and private business ownership. Why them does gop say they don't want to be like socialist Europe. Are they lieing about what they are... If so their being dishonest. Most people think of socialism in degrees of how much the government facilitates sharing of resources and regulating industry. Gop always says socialsecurity and Medicare are socialism.....well is it by strict interpretation? If they are then a majority of Americans like "our" socialism. We are socialist to some degree, other countries are more socialist, but most use a "market" economy also . The current best examples of pure unrestrained laissey faire capitalim is China and oligarcy Russia....go figure.

It's not about the "ism". That been used as a scare tactict for 100 years.

LiberalLies2012
LiberalLies2012

bobell says:

They really can't stand being ignored, Patrick.  Try and see.

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So bobell, we are now up to over 515 comments.  How would you say your little effort succeeded today versus other days?  LOL

The real reason the libtards on this site use 3rd grade name calling, salacious insults, deriding comments and now the big "shun" is that you cannot successfully debate your values and ideals.  

Obama the liberal savior is not going to win this election and you all are seething with anger and hate.  He is nothing more than a progressive with a huge narcissistic ego.  Many people were wowed by his hopey-changey lies and what do you have to show for it?  

8.3% UNEMPLOYMENT

Healthcare in such disarray that no business person knows what is coming down the tube next. 

Taxes at all time highs

Spending at all time highs

No budgets

No leadership

Debt at the highest level ever

Seniors scared out of their wits because the one thing they depend upon, Barry has taken over 700 billion out of the fund so it collapses sooner.  

In 2010 people woke up.  They realized what was going on.  Angry, but not nearly as angry and upset as they are today.  Obama is gone in November 2012.  Finished and the progressive la la land dream will go with him.  

Good riddance.  

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

 "...you cannot successfully debate your values and ideals.  "

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Ironic coming from somebody who believes that free will only exists when the government lets you dump lead into drinking water keeping markets "free".

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"8.3% UNEMPLOYMENT"

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And declining since the recession hit it's peak before the stimulus package.

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"Taxes at all time highs"

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If time began in 2001. Lower taxes than we had from 1930 to 1980.

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"Spending at all time highs"

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Only if time began in 2009. W was spending far more.

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"No budgets"

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Because the Republican keep on filibustering.

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 "No leadership"

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I guess Osama bin Laden shot himself and dumped his own body into the ocean.

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"Debt at the highest level ever" as a percent of GDP only if you believe Time began in 1970.

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"Seniors scared out of their wits because the one thing they depend

upon, Barry has taken over 700 billion out of the fund so it collapses

sooner. "

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Seniors are scared that Social Security Surpluses are being held in treasury bonds the safest investment on the planet?

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Maybe seniors suffering from dementia or misinformed by Fox News are, but, informed seniors without reduced mental capacity aren't.

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I was wondering something. Do you send apologies when you tell the truth?

politathiest
politathiest

Liberallies less than conservs.,

I didn't write Acts 2 amp; 4 or the laws of jubilee but I relisted them below. " held property in common" , "distributed to each as they had need" . If that was presented today they would ne called communist!! .... Deal with it. Christianity hasn't been pure since 4th century constintine. Evalgelicas today don't have a correct understanding of Christianity any more than18th century slave owners or Nazi Germany "christians"!

Here's a definition of socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned .... OR..... regulated by the community as a whole. There are many definitions and degrees of socialism.

If you want to take a most extreme and literal interpretaion then most of Europe is not "socialist" as they have private property and private business ownership. Why them does gop say they don't want to be like socialist Europe. Are they lieing about what they are... If so their being dishonest. Most people think of socialism in degrees of how much the government facilitates sharing of resources and regulating industry. Gop always says socialsecurity and Medicare are socialism.....well is it by strict interpretation? If they are then a majority of Americans like "our" socialism. We are socialist to some degree, other countries are more socialist, but most use a "market" economy also . The current best examples of pure unrestrained laissey faire capitalim is China and oligarcy Russia....go figure.

It's not about the "ism". That been used as a scare tactict for 100 years.

Acts 2 : All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.

Acts 4: 2 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

politathiest
politathiest

Liberlies less than conservs,

What? What does that have to do with my point! The NT scriptures describe a SOCIALIST system. It's even enforced by the holy spirit ( kills a couple for lieng and holding money back. The early communities were "communist" . When judisers tried to cheat the non-jewish, Stephen was put in charge to REDISTRIBUTE community assets fairly! The NT speaks of sharing sacrificialy, chastised the rich multiple times and advacates for the poor..... THE EXACT OPOSIT OF MOST CONSERVATIVE PHYLOSOPHY! The old testiment (God) demands on the 50th year of Jubilee everybody returns property to its original owner..... The ultimate WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION! GODS LAW NOT MINE! The NT attitude is to share more.... Not "its mine, its mine, you can't have any. Reality stinks doesn't it. Gops "religiousity" is nothing but hypoctacy!

LiberalLies2012
LiberalLies2012

You really shouldn't go back and edit your original comment after someone makes a comment to you. That is deception and in fact a lie. A lie to yourself, because I don't really give a rats a$s what you really think.

politathiest
politathiest

Liberallies less than conservs.,

I didn't write Acts 2 amp; 4 or the laws of jubilee but I relisted them below. " held property in common" , "distributed to each as they had need" . If that was presented today they would ne called communist!! .... Deal with it. Christianity hasn't been pure since 4th century constintine. Evalgelicas today don't have a correct understanding of Christianity any more than18th century slave owners or Nazi Germany "christians"!

Here's a definition of socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned .... OR..... regulated by the community as a whole. There are many definitions and degrees of socialism.

If you want to take a most extreme and literal interpretaion then most of Europe is not "socialist" as they have private property and private business ownership. Why them does gop say they don't want to be like socialist Europe. Are they lieing about what they are... If so their being dishonest. Most people think of socialism in degrees of how much the government facilitates sharing of resources and regulating industry. Gop always says socialsecurity and Medicare are socialism.....well is it by strict interpretation? If they are then a majority of Americans like "our" socialism. We are socialist to some degree, other countries are more socialist, but most use a "market" economy also . The current best examples of pure unrestrained laissey faire capitalim is China and oligarcy Russia....go figure.

It's not about the "ism". That been used as a scare tactict for 100 years.

Acts 2 : All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.

Acts 4: 2 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

politathiest
politathiest

Liberallies less than conservs.,

I didn't write Acts 2 amp; 4 or the laws of jubilee but I relisted them below. " held property in common" , "distributed to each as they had need" . If that was presented today they would ne called communist!! .... Deal with it. Christianity hasn't been pure since 4th century constintine. Evalgelicas today don't have a correct understanding of Christianity any more than18th century slave owners or Nazi Germany "christians"!

Here's a definition of socialism:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned .... OR..... regulated by the community as a whole. There are many definitions and degrees of socialism.

If you want to take a most extreme and literal interpretaion then most of Europe is not "socialist" as they have private property and private business ownership. Why them does gop say they don't want to be like socialist Europe. Are they lieing about what they are... If so their being dishonest. Most people think of socialism in degrees of how much the government facilitates sharing of resources and regulating industry. Gop always says socialsecurity and Medicare are socialism.....well is it by strict interpretation? If they are then a majority of Americans like "our" socialism. We are socialist to some degree, other countries are more socialist, but most use a "market" economy also . The current best examples of pure unrestrained laissey faire capitalim is China and oligarcy Russia....go figure.

It's not about the "ism". That been used as a scare tactict for 100 years.

Acts 2 : All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.

Acts 4: 2 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

LiberalLies2012
LiberalLies2012

Ask any Christian or Jew if the Bible is made up of CHARITY or SOCIALIST ideals and values?

You do not even understand what socialism is. With socialism there is no private property to give, it is ALL owned by the government. You will not have free will to decide what to give, only to follow what the Elitist of the collective decide you should have. China, North Korea, and Cuba being the examples today.

Free markets allow for free will. Allow ownership. Allow for CHARITY, which is what the Bible teaches.

You are a very disturbed person. But keep reading it, perhaps one day the light will open your eyes.

politathiest
politathiest

BTW,

Mormonism taught that a third of "angels" that did not take sides in war between Satan and his BROTHER Jesus, were given dark skin for their stance and that's where we get the Negro race. They don't believe the first Christians were socialists either!

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

" Not your bastardized "Social Democrat" bull.  "

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Most people today believe that the communists were the ones who bastardized socialism.

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"Social Democracies are dying.  Ready to fold up and call it quits.  That experiment with socialism has also failed."

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Unemployment Norway:  3%

 Switzerland: 3.1%

 Netherlands

:5.1%Germany:5.4%

Denmark: 6.2%

United States: 8.2%

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Over in Europe, they can only hope that we don't continue to take them down with us.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

LiberalLies2012
LiberalLies2012

Get with the program Patty.  Your buddy Poltergeist was specifically talking about Socialist and Communist in the Bible.  Not your bastardized "Social Democrat" bull.  

As is currently happening in Europe today, the "Social Democracies are dying.  Ready to fold up and call it quits.  That experiment with socialism has also failed.  

We in the US can only hope they don't take us down with them.

PatrickSartor
PatrickSartor

 "Ask any Christian or Jew if the Bible is made up of CHARITY or SOCIALIST ideals and values?"

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Bernie Sanders, a self proclaimed Social Democrat is Jewish.

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See the Roman Catholic Church's stance on policies towards the poor. 

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"You do not even understand what socialism is."

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Ironic.

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"With socialism there is no private property to give, it is ALL owned by the government."

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Wrong.

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That is Marxist socialists only.

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The break off between Social Democrats and Marxist Socialists (Communists/Totalitarian Socialists) was at the end of the Second international at the outbreak of World War One.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

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"Free markets allow for free will"

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So. God evaporates if there are not "free markets"?

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Interesting theology. So, if there are no free markets then you will not be held responsible for lying, stealing or cheating on your wife, for example?

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Charities exist in Social Democratic countries like Sweden, Norway and Denmark.  There will never be a shortage of kind acts to do no matter what programs exist for providing necessities to the poorest. 

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Please explain to us all how Danes, Swedes and Norwegians have no free will.

Steve0T
Steve0T

 Take your meds, teabagger scum. You are ranting.

politathiest
politathiest

P.S. if conservs want to live in the spirit of the NT, then DO IT. If you don't want to live by the example of the first church, then stop claiming we are "christian nation" cause we are not. Give me one support of the rich and powerful or Jesus talking about welfare queens bro.g the problem..... Hypocrites!

politathiest
politathiest

Jerimiah 5: 22

“Among my people are the wicked 26 who lie in wait like men who snare birds and like those who set traps to catch people. Like cages full of birds, 27 their houses are full of deceit; they have become rich and powerful and have grown fat and sleek. 28 Their evil deeds have no limit; they do not seek justice. They do not promote the case of the fatherless; they do not defend the just cause of the poor. Should I not punish them for this?” 29 declares the LORD. “Should I not avenge myself on such a nation as this?

politathiest
politathiest

Hey lies,

You realy want me to list all the stupid things said by the likes of Robertson or falwell? Mcain had to disavow Hagee for his stupid rants, did god bring on 911 because of gays?

LiberalLies2012
LiberalLies2012

Jerimiah...hmmmm

How is 'ol Jeremiah these days?  I haven't heard much out of him since Obama threw him under the bus.  

Perhaps you also were educated in Jeremiah's socialist/social justice "church".  He preaches what you spewed.  He's also very famous for this too...............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... 

LiberalLies2012
LiberalLies2012

That is a great compilation of CHARITY from the Bible, Poltergeist. I'm surprised as a self avowed socialist that you even read the Bible.

But before you go all religious on us, you may want to read this scripture as well.

Matthew 6:1-4

“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

53underscore3
53underscore3

I think he outdid you. Besides, what do you think the Bible would say about your Stormfront affiliations, rusty?

LiberalLies2012
LiberalLies2012

The Bible would say that my sins are for God to judge, not you. But seeing that I have no "affiliation with Stormfront I have no worry or fear from you or God.