Paul Ryan Is a Brave Deficit Hawk, if You Ignore His Record and His Policies

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I should probably just shut up about Paul Ryan, because I believe there’s a federal statute requiring pundits to marvel at his “seriousness” and “courage.” I think there’s also a constitutional mandate enshrining him as a “deficit hawk,” even though he voted for the Bush tax cuts, the Bush military and security spending binge, the Medicare prescription drug benefit, the bank bailout and the auto bailout, and against the Bowles-Simpson deficit reduction plan. So I think for now I’ll just repost my screed about the Ryan plan from April 2011, suggesting that fuzzy math in the service of Tea Party ideology is not all that brave.

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apr2563
apr2563

Ryan isn't about shrinking deficits.  He and Romney want to turn our country into an oligarchy.  No safety regulations, no minimum wage, no pensions, no social safety nets, private education only...keep the peons working and dependent on their overlords.

superlogi
superlogi

And, increasing government regulations, establishing high minimum wages which exclude large segments of society from working, no control on government pension benefits and not only providing for but promoting the increase in the size of safety nets including educational benefits from the cradle to the grave is going to shrink deficits?  You see, this is the problem.  It's primarily people like you who want things without a thought to whether you can afford them.  The fact is, government shouldn't force the peons working and/or providing a job for them.  That should be up to the peons.

Steve0T
Steve0T

 Without some kind of regulations, corporations and banks tend to run roughshod.

Without minimum wage control, what benefit does working have to the employee?? I'm sure you Teabaggers think African Americans in the South had 100% employment prior to 1865.

politathiest
politathiest

Superlogi, it wasn't Freddie or fannirs that was problem. It was bank and realtor collution driving up house cost but not even that cause the most harm, it was UNREGULATED financial instruments like credit default swap that cause TRILLIONS lost is market value. That wad capitalistic private industry greed to blaim not a quasi government agency that's responsanle for 13 trillion in housing and jobs with them that the private sector could not have accomplished without government to free up capital for more projects! Stip the lies !

NicHautamaki
NicHautamaki

Super logo the gilded age called and it wants its disproven economic and political theories back. Did you miss every single thing that's happened in the world since Teddy Roosevelt was forced to bust up the corporate monopolies that were destroying the country over 100 years ago? There is no free market without strong government regulations to protect its very existence, and there never has been. You take government out of the picture and rich oligarchies have and always will sweep into the power vacuum and entrench themselves to the point that only violent upheaval can dislodge them. This is what has happened throughout history countless times and it's the cycle that liberal democracies finally broke that led to the creation of the middle class. This is why Karl Marx was wrong (he thought that violent upheaval into an authoritarian communist state could break the cycle not realizing that such a state of affairs actually WAS the cycle) and why laissez faire apologists like you are wrong too. The free market is a very fragile thing and ONLY a liberal democracy supported by an educated electorate can protect it from oligarchies, either aristocratic as in the past, or corporate as in the present.

superlogi
superlogi

We had more regulation than we needed before our problems and government created them by assuming mortgage risk by backstopping Fannie and Freddie's bad gambles.  You can blame that on government, not on Wall Street.  Minimum wage kills employment and there isn't an economist in the world that would argue it.  Obviously, contracts need to be enforced and risk should be punished and/or rewarded within the rule of law.  Companies should be allowed to succeed or fail.  It's what the consumer expects and it's what the consumer will control, not the government.  Unfortunately big brother thinks he's smarter than all of us put together.  But his motive isn't altruistic.  It's simply his lust for power that drives him to "protect" us.

Steve Ortiz
Steve Ortiz

thank you for taking the TIME to write a whole paragraph.

RickSantelli
RickSantelli

This post is nothing more than a cheap shot written by a columnist who has a good talent for one-line insults.  Its always easy to be the cynical guy with the deadpan responses, making fun of everyone while presenting no ideas of your own.  I guess Harry Reid taught you well.  But somebody needs to actually try and solve problems and Paul Ryan is at least trying to do that.  

Michael, you say "this is just weird" in reference to everyone calling Ryan courageous.  You give reasons why its weird, but did you ever ask yourself why its happening?  You think Paul Ryan's ideas are nothing special, but there has to be some reason why his non-so-special ideas go so much more attention than other polticians' not-so-special ideas.The reason is simple . . other politicians aren't even TRYING.  Paul Ryan's solution may be incomplete, but its a starting point.  Its an outline of a budget that *could* ultimately work.  At least it faces reality head-on, by acknowledging that we can't pay for all of these programs.  What would I rather pin my hopes on . . an incomplete budget that could work, or a finished budget that ignores reality and absolutely won't work?

Paul Ryan is getting credit for his courage because he's willing to shine the spotlight in a place where other politicians have been afraid to shine it.  And now its up to us as a country to help by getting smart on our country's fiscal problems and start asking the right questions instead of taking cheap shots.

Ivy_B
Ivy_B

I replied to your comment below.

jillibrown
jillibrown

Here you go rick, here's the facts concisely...

Here's how the self-proclaimed fiscal conservative Paul Ryan voted…

 

Bush tax cuts - $1.7 Trillion increase to the deficit

2001-2008

Extend bush-Era tax cuts - $620 Billion increase to the

deficit

TARP - $224 Billion increase to the deficit

Authorizing military force in Iraq - $853 Billion increase

to the deficit

Medicare part D - $180 Billion increase to the deficit

 

Ryan helped burn the house down and now complains that the

house has burned down.

 

Why should we believe Ryans claims of fiscal

discipline?Those are the facts, regardless of who the author is, they don't change.

Otto Man
Otto Man

 Way to completely ignore the details of his arguments and just move straight on to name calling. 

I guess that's the only defense you have, when math isn't on your side.  Or logic, either.

outsider2011
outsider2011

 This is nothing but a repeated post crying about reading an article that i didn't have to read..

Ivy_B
Ivy_B

Did I miss his explanation about how it's fine that Ryan's budget ideas balloon the deficit that the GOP pretends to care about if a Democrat is President? Granted I didn't read all three posts - or even to the end of the first one, but may have missed it.

outsider2011
outsider2011

 Yep, i thought you were just being annoying Rick - not having a problem, so i apologize too.

Ivy_B
Ivy_B

RickSantelli, I apologize for fussing about the duplicate posts. We have all had problems with Disqus.

I don't expect you to cover every aspect of Ryan's plan, but I do think the fact that it balloons the deficit is a big deal, especially since the GOP is making such a big deal of the deficit again. I am not kicking the can down the road. I believe that once we look at both sides of the problem and bring some income into it instead of simply fussing about the spending side, the deficit will begin to go away. We actually have experience with this happening during the Clinton years as opposed to the years of "tax cuts for job creators" which did nothing more than add to the deficit.

http://thinkprogress.org/econo...

RickSantelli
RickSantelli

Ivy and others - first of all, sorry for the duplicate posts. It was my first time posting on this and the whole process of creating a username, waiting for a verification email, then some inexplicable third step, led to confusion where it appeared my original post never made it throgh. I was surprosed too when i saw 3 posts.

Second of all . . I find it ridiculous that you expect me to cover every single aspect of Ryan's plan in my posts, and toss out any argument just because there's a peice you consider to be missing. This is where the left lost me. I voted for Obama in 2008 and still like the guy, but sadly its become clear that the Left lacks the courage to face our problems head on. I have the same questions you do about Ryan's proposal to cut taxes. But I don't dismiss the entire plan like you do. That's what cowardly people on both sides are doing . . kicking the can down the road and reverting to the same failed tactics while highlighting less relevant issues like Romney's personal finances or my multiple posts.

RickSantelli
RickSantelli

Sorry about repeated posts, it was my first time posting and the whole verification thing was messed up. made it appear that i wasnt posting, and then it shows all my posts at once. no need for you to be an asshole about it

RickSantelli
RickSantelli

This post is nothing more than a cheap shot written by a columnist who has a good talent for comic insults but has nothing else to offer to the debate.  Its always easy to be the cynical guy with the deadpan responses.  I guess Harry Reid taught you well.  But somebody needs to actually try and solve problems and Paul Ryan is at least trying to do that.  

Michael, you say "this is just weird" in reference to everyone calling Ryan courageous.  You give reasons why its weird, but did you ever ask yourself why its happening?  You think Paul Ryan's ideas are nothing special, but there has to be some reason why his non-so-special ideas go so much more attention than other polticians' not-so-special ideas.The reason is simple . . other politicians aren't even TRYING.  Paul Ryan's solution may be incomplete, but its a starting point.  Its an outline of a budget that *could* ultimately work.  At least it faces reality head-on, by acknowledging that we can't pay for all of these programs.  What would I rather pin my hopes on . . an incomplete budget that could work, or a finished budget that ignores reality and absolutely won't work?

Paul Ryan is getting credit for his courage because he's willing to shine the spotlight in a place where other politicians have been afraid to shine it.  And now its up to us as a country to help by getting smart on our country's fiscal problems and start asking the right questions instead of taking cheap shots.

RickSantelli
RickSantelli

This post is nothing more than a cheap shot written by a columnist who has a good talent for one-line insults.  Its always easy to be the cynical guy with the deadpan responses, making fun of everyone while presenting no ideas of your own.  I guess Harry Reid taught you well.  But somebody needs to actually try and solve problems and Paul Ryan is at least trying to do that.  

Michael, you say "this is just weird" in reference to everyone calling Ryan courageous.  You give reasons why its weird, but did you ever ask yourself why its happening?  You think Paul Ryan's ideas are nothing special, but there has to be some reason why his non-so-special ideas go so much more attention than other polticians' not-so-special ideas.The reason is simple . . other politicians aren't even TRYING.  Paul Ryan's solution may be incomplete, but its a starting point.  Its an outline of a budget that *could* ultimately work.  At least it faces reality head-on, by acknowledging that we can't pay for all of these programs.  What would I rather pin my hopes on . . an incomplete budget that could work, or a finished budget that ignores reality and absolutely won't work?

Paul Ryan is getting credit for his courage because he's willing to shine the spotlight in a place where other politicians have been afraid to shine it.  And now its up to us as a country to help by getting smart on our country's fiscal problems and start asking the right questions instead of taking cheap shots.

RickSantelli
RickSantelli

Sorry for multiple posts, there was a technical problem.

RickSantelli
RickSantelli

Please stop saying stupid things like Obama is a Muslim. Thats obviously not true and it wouldnt matter if it was. There are much better reasons to vote Obama out of office, like the fact that he thinks money grows on trees.

Letrfly
Letrfly

Ryan is a social engineer even if in his own mind he is reverse engineering. 

He is the one pick that will trump the millions of republicans voting to protect their civil rights and 2nd amendment.

It will turn occupy wall street  into a mob of millions and greatly polarize this nation.  It turns every republican union man or women past or present into a democrat.   Upper class vs everyone else was an issue and now is the issue.    

Ryan will be known as the nail that slammed Romney's chances shut.  It turned this republican union man who loves his 2nd amendment civil rights into heaven forbid a democrat.    

superlogi
superlogi

Nah, you can't be turned into a democrat.  It's an hereditary aversion to self-reliance and personal responsibility.  

jmac
jmac

I voted for Bush Sr.  What "big government" are you referring to?  Bush senior AND Clinton were 100% responsible on the budget.  It's Jr that went hog wild and built "big government" as his economic trickle-down took us down.  The Democratic party is not "liberal" as it moved center and Barack used conservative economic advisors to stay center as he passed the most Republican of health care plans - Romneycare.    If you're talking about the social issues, then by all means keep you head in the sand and vote for the party that wants to keep your religion in my government.   

superlogi
superlogi

Bush Sr.  increased taxes (after promising not to) which caused a recession and the very people who convinced him he should, blamed him for it.  Clinton took advantage of it and won.  But, frankly, Clinton also rode the wave of the tech revolution which nothing could keep down.  He did do some good things, but creating jobs wasn't one of them.  What he did do, primarily because of a Republican controlled Congress, was to keep government spending to a minimum which deserves a great deal of credit.  He also, signed into law, Welfare Reform, kicking and screaming, but on the third iteration, he did it.  He also signed NAFTA into law which most progressives hate as well as GLBA, which progressives blame in part for causing this recession, although, apparently it was Bush's policies which were primarily responsible.  What is, however, responsible was banking irresponsibility and entitlement spending, the first being primarily responsible for the 29 banking collapse.  The bottom line is, there is no one, currently, in office who can count.  And, even if they could, personal power and getting reelected, is their overwhelming priority.  Spending within our means is definitely not even in the top ten.  Enjoy the view as you're going over the fiscal cliff, we're all heading for.

PS  Supply side economics has a great deal more success than central economic planning does.  It, also, has the advantage of letting the people decide when, here and how to spend "there" money and what each individual considers value.

jmac
jmac

My retired military husband turned into a Democrat.  All I had to do was drag him in to hear C-Span and read articles from the newspaper.    I used to vote Republican when the South voted Democratic.    You can certainly be turned into a Democrat in the age of the Tea Party.  Not only are we both self-reliant, we'd benefit greatly from Republican's Wall Street suck-up.  Just look at Warren Buffet.  I bet he voted Republican back in the day when they were actually fiscally responsible.  That's a long time ago.   

superlogi
superlogi

Obviously, the seeds had already been planted.  And, I also, recognize the GOP has embraced progressive thought in the past.  It also occurs to me, that to continue on that course, has shown to be a disaster.   But given the, current, stark differences in the embrace of Big Government by liberals and one which is manageable and actually understands what the role of government is (servants as opposed to rulers), this veteran has no problem siding with a more conservative approach.

Davel6969
Davel6969

March 19, 2009HR 1586TARP Recipient Bonuses TaxBill Passed - House

(328 - 93)Yea

Dec. 10, 2008HR 7321Automotive Industry FinancingBill Passed - House

(237 - 170)Yea

Here's the truth lug-stir something that's been missing in your world for fair to long.Wake up you clown

sacredh
sacredh

Welcome to the darkside. Help yourself to a cookie.

formerlyjamesm
formerlyjamesm

I missed it at the time, but that was an excellent analysis.  Also courageous.  And bold.

bobell
bobell

Wyatt Earp, Wyatt Earp ...

Well, the old f^rts will get it.

Kim Dooley
Kim Dooley

Ryan is a fantastic choice for VP he really gets it. Romney and Ryan will make the USA great again then even you stupid Liberals will be able to get jobs too.

They are both honest and pro America, more than we can say for your pro Muslim president Obama.

Between Romney and Ryan we have more business sense in two people than in all of the so-called progressive liberal party combined. They could not run a party at a brewery. At least most ordinary true Americans now have some hope for their future.

jillibrown
jillibrown

What exactly does ryan bring to the ticket?

The US is not a business...and, btw, you seem to be unaware, but the only employer mr. ryan has ever had has been uncle sam.  He doesn't have a lick of actual business experience.  No foreign policy or national security experience either.

Ryan/Romney are a couple of one-trick ponies auditioning for multidimensional jobs.  Their myopic approach to the election is just astounding.  There's more to leading a nation than talking about the economy.

LVSUNSHINE
LVSUNSHINE

Kim, please tell me you wrote this to give us all a big laugh.  I would hate to think anyone could be that stupid.  Please, it was a big joke, wasn't it???  LOL

RickSantelli
RickSantelli

Please stop saying stupid things like Obama is a Muslim. Thats obviously not true and it wouldnt matter if it was. There are much better reasons to vote Obama out of office, like the fact that he thinks money grows on trees.

Diecash1
Diecash1

the fact that he thinks money grows on trees.

Oh really?  I was under the impression that it was Congress that did the spending.  Beside that, I'm sure Obama could have stemmed the tide of the worst financial crisis since the depression with a little outsourcing and some more tax cuts.

jillibrown
jillibrown

 Rick, you mean like mr. ryan?  He's a self proclaimed "fiscal conservative", except he's not.  mr. ryan cast a lot of yea votes that substantially increased the deficit.

Bush tax cuts - $1.7 Trillion increase to the deficit

2001-2008

Extend bush-Era tax cuts - $620 Billion increase to the

deficit

TARP - $224 Billion increase to the deficit

Authorizing military force in Iraq - $853 Billion increase

to the deficit

Medicare part D - $180 Billion increase to the

deficit

Otto Man
Otto Man

 Please keep up your terrific posts.  Nothing will drive independents to the Democrats quicker than seeing that voting Republican means embracing these kinds of arguments.

superlogi
superlogi

Not if they're truly independents.  After all, being independent means not be dependent which is antithetical to a "progressive" social order.

Actually, he was quite vocal in his decent about the auto bailout, although it is true he voted for TARP. And, his speaking out against Medicare expansion was never a private matter. In fact, his first budget which was passed by the House reflects it.

Otto Man
Otto Man

 "It is widely know that Paul Ryan spoke privately against the Medicare expansion and auto bailout"

Wow, he spoke privately?  How courageous!  How brave! 

He should totally get a free pass for ballooning our deficit then, and we should really elect him so he can do the exact same things again.  I'm sure he'll speak privately against them this time too, even if it'll explode the deficit even more.

superlogi
superlogi

LV, you're not an independent, just another government teat sucker, like you have always been.  

LVSUNSHINE
LVSUNSHINE

I am an idependant and was still debating on who would be the best for the people of our country.  When I saw the news on CNN last night that Romney had chosen Ryan and it was confirmed this morning, I fell off the fence of not knowing, to Obama/Biden all the way.  I think a lot of independents are doing the same. 

RickSantelli
RickSantelli

Every Congressman and Senator on both sides has votes in his/her past that are not consistent with their stated ideas. That's party politics. You have to compromise. It is widely know that Paul Ryan spoke privately against the Medicare expansion and auto bailout but made compromises to get things done.

Presidents, on the other hand, get to set the agenda and don't have the same excuse. So its ridiculous to attack Ryan's record when Obama's record is such a miserable failure.

Davel6969
Davel6969

Will wise your old a** up on the fact's.The real one's not the fox News half true slant your use toooo (OK)! MY friend.Hang in there PAL.The mind wash you've been under will be hard to clean up but it's possible.(YOU JUST GOTA WANT IT)Don't fight the truth; though it may be hard. (It'll set you free)!!

Davel6969
Davel6969

The fact of the matter is that Congressman Ryan voted with George W. Bush 94% of the time. That’s why Ryan’s 2007 Republican Liberty Caucus Liberty Index score, which ranks members of Congress on their voting record from a constitutional perspective, his score on the Liberty Index was 66% on economic issues and 67% on social issues It appears that when Paul Ryan’s party is doing the spending, raising debt limits, and acting unconstitutionally… Ryan goes with the flow.

Congressman Ryan’s actual record leaves much to be desired.

The issue Ryan is most known for is his interest in cutting the deficit and balancing the budget.

But why did the Congressman vote to bail out the auto industry, to pass the Medicare package to the tune of $400 billion, and to nationalize education via No Child Left Behind?Hey Lug-stir I'll help you out I am doing your home work for you.(AINT THAT WHAT FRIENDS DO FOR EACH OTHER)Don't worry lugi I wont let you make the same mistake you made with bush.I got your back on this one.

Davel6969
Davel6969

That's right lugi can't bust a grape truth hurts huh?Your just smart enough to be dangerous.Not smart enough to make a difference though.

Otto Man
Otto Man

Thanks for this analysis. 

After suffering through Wolf Blitzer's report this morning -- BREAKING NEWS: Paul Ryan likes peanut butter and jelly sandwiches! -- it's nice to see some actual journalism from the media.

pollardty
pollardty

Thank you for your service, MG.