Mike Huckabee’s Silly Sermon

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Since nobody knows what caused the Aurora gunman’s rampage, and since everyone seems fine skipping the political debate about how to prevent its recurrence, much of the commentary about the Colorado massacre has been theater criticism about how the media should cover it. Here’s Mike Huckabee, providing a valuable lesson in how not to:

“We don’t have a crime problem, or a gun problem, or even a violence problem. What we have is a sin problem,” Huckabee said on his Fox News show. “And since we’ve ordered God out of our schools and communities, the military and public conversations, you know, we really shouldn’t act so surprised when all hell breaks loose.”

I’m not qualified to judge whether the U.S. has a “sin problem,” And while chalking up mass murder to the absence of prayer in schools is Robertsonesque wingnuttery, it’s true that nobody seems surprised by this all-too-familiar tragedy. But Huckabee’s assertions about guns and violence are aggressively wrong.

Roughly 30,000 people die from guns every year, from a combination of murder, suicide and accidental killings. The U.S. gun homicide rate is about 15 times that of other wealthy nations. Kids under 15 in this country are about 12 times as likely to die by the gun than their counterparts in the top two-dozen industrialized countries combined. Every day, some 80 Americans are killed by guns. The rate of violent crime has been falling in the U.S. since the early 1990s, but it’s still very high by comparison. This is a problem by any possible measure.

Huckabee, a Baptist preacher, is entitled to use his Fox platform to blame godlessness for a senseless tragedy. He’s entitled to shill for a corporation because its founder opposes gay marriage. He is not entitled to deny indisputable facts because they don’t suit his agenda.

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ChopperT
ChopperT

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ChopperT

ChopperT
ChopperT

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John_Jericho
John_Jericho

If we can not legally stop the purchase of such weapons like AR-15's, we can at least attempt to legislate the size of magazine/clips. Prohibit any magazine that has a larger capacity than a 30 bullet clip. Keep pistols mags at no more than 13 bullets. We can also limit the amount of ammo an individual can purchase online or stop online ammo sales of ammo completely. If you want ammo, drive to your local gun shop and purchase the ammo there. Holmes is said to have purchased 6,000 rounds online without raising any red flags. Ridiculous! 

Barry Evans
Barry Evans

Yeah, Mike Singing at or speaking to Sky-Daddy not  being Mandatory in School, and Public spaces in general is why James Holmes gunned down dozens of innocent people.  Atheists are all evil aren't we?  What an idiot, his statements are complete bs, it might actually interest him to know that by all accounts, Holmes was raised as a dedicated and dilligent church goer, so how on earth does he arribute the guy's actions to Atheism or Non-Christian life in general? 

grape_crush
grape_crush

“We don’t have a crime problem, or a gun problem, or even a violence problem. What we have is a sin problem...”

In that we Americans do sh*tty things to ourselves and others, Huckabee's right. We need to be better people. Problem is when the Huckster preaches religion as the cure-all. Someone should tell him that the lowest state when it comes to church attendance and firearm murders by population is Vermont...while the highest state in firearm murders - Louisiana - is fourth highest when it comes to church attendance.

Sure, that's a crap manipulation of stats - correlation not necessarily being causation and all - but it's better than some reheated 700 Club-crap-rhetoric.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/125...

GeoBall
GeoBall

Alex Altman's opinion is ignorant.

Nwvotes
Nwvotes

Mike Huckabee stands up for Chick-Fil-A's stance against gay marriage. Do you support Chick-Fil-A's choice? Vote at Nationwidevotes.com 

sacredh
sacredh

Since Yoko Ono sang "Don't Worry Kyoko, Mummy's Only Looking For A Hand In The Snow", (B-Side of Cold Turkey), no one has been able to fly by flapping their arms. I see the logic in Huckabee's statement.

Stuart Zechman
Stuart Zechman

You're a genius, sacredh. This is PourMeCoffee-level stuff.

sacredh
sacredh

As an aside, I love that song. I'm not sure what it is (probably Clapton and Lennon's manic guitars), but Yoko was so far ahead of her time that I'm not sure we've caught up with her yet. I'm probably in the minority on this, but I've always felt that Yoko was the best thing that ever happened to Lennon's music.  I thought his music was great before he got influenced by Yoko, but his work afterward was raw like an exposed nerve.

sacredh
sacredh

Sacrilege rokinsteve. Jar Jar Binks may have been the first rastafarian lizard I ever wanted to kill.

rokinsteve
rokinsteve

Wow, pour-me-something and tells us what you really think of Jar Jar Binks?  Yoko Who? 

sacredh
sacredh

Thanks for the compliment and that really is a compliment, but on the very rare occassions when I hit PourMeCoffee's level...it's accidental.

sacredh
sacredh

Don't go all jealous. I'll just drink some coffee and gush on you. For free this time.

ahandout
ahandout

 Stop gushing sacredh, you'll wet yourself.

Hollywooddeed
Hollywooddeed

Mike Huckabee is the guy who commuted the sentence of violent offender, Maurice Clemmons, who later moved to Washington state and shot and killed four police officers who were sitting in a coffee shop in Lakewood, WA on November 29, 2009.  Google it.

So, yeah, he's gonna say that.

Stuart Zechman
Stuart Zechman

Alex Altman:

Here's a fact, that 32,885 Americans were victims of motor vehicle deaths in 2010, and that Germany had 3,657, Japan had 4,914 and Great Britain had 2,222 automobile-related fatalities in that same year. The death toll from these violent vehicles has "has been falling in the U.S. since the early 1990s, but it’s still very high by comparison" to other OECD nations.

Surely "This is a problem by any possible measure," although not quite as easily sensationalized by outrage-stoking political reporters, isn't it?

ahandout
ahandout

 God, reading this drivel makes me want to drive a car and kill myself.

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

Yes, because just about every person in Great Britain, Japan and Germany drive to work every day.  Not to mention, those per-capita results for Britain and Germany are about right for somewhere in the range of somewhere between 2:1 and 4:1 ratios.  Guns are running at a per-capita ratio of 15:1.  Your argument has a few holes.

Though..... *insert parallel with pickup trucks here*

Stuart Zechman
Stuart Zechman

Thanks for the link 

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© ,and I've read Hecate previously, agreeing with her some of the time.

Having read her piece carefully, I think that she's wrong, and that her arguments are almost merit-less and knee-jerk, and that these ideas originate in different strain of movement liberalism that I refer to as "benevolent liberals," and that, when the Supreme Court found an individual right to self-defense emanating from the Second, just as an earlier Court found the emanation of a right to privacy not explicitly written, they refute Hecate rather well.

Her liberalism seems rather...well, cultural, wouldn't you say?

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©

No, I think her argument about " surplusage", referring to the 2nd Amendment ("a well-regulated militia") is a good one.

And could you tell me why we need to have assault weapons and large capacity magazines readily available for the populace, but not surface to air missiles and attack helicopters?

Where did the framers intend that line to be drawn...or where does your concern for self defense indicate it should be drawn?

~

Stuart Zechman
Stuart Zechman

"Your argument has a few holes."

I don't understand your reply.

How does the fact that Great Britain, Japan and Germany have differing per capita driving ratios than the United States make for a "hole" in the argument that, since proportionately more Americans die in motor vehicle-related incidents than in the rest of the OECD world, and that this number of victims per year is close to the 30,000 or so firearms-related deaths per year that Alex Altman describes as "a problem by any possible measure,"  the same political-media processes and policy preferences that Alex Altman imagines should solve one "problem" might be analogous to the other?

Also, would you please post your sources for your driver-per-capita statistics for OECD nations?

I was under the impression that Germany, for example, was 510 passenger vehicles per 1000 people in 2009, versus the US's 439 passenger vehicles per 1000.

I'm getting my statistics from the World Bank: http://data.worldbank.org/indi...

forgottenlord
forgottenlord

First, the scale is wrong.  The gun deaths in the US is 30K while the gun deaths for just about any other nation in the developed world is below 1000.  In most cases, you're looking at an order of magnitude difference.  Second, it's not about how many cars are in the household but how many people drive to work - and how far they drive.  No, I don't have stats to say exactly what those sorts of numbers entail, but it is considered common wisdom that those numbers are considerably higher in the US and Canada than in Europe or Japan (the latter of which has a notoriously good and heavily used public transit system).  London has a tax if you bring your car into the inner city during rush hour to further discourage driving.  Why is this relevant?  For the same reason our car insurance doubles if we drive to work every day rather as compared to when we take transit most days: it is inherently more dangerous to drive on a regular basis and makes you more prone to accidents and subsequently fatal accidents.

I think we're more agreed here than not about arms policy in general and there are holes in Alex's logic, I'm just saying that there's a smell factor to your argument that severely weakens it.

Stuart Zechman
Stuart Zechman

We could argue, in light of carbon emissions and vehicles, the case that people don't need cars, but I won't.

It's not about whether people "need" cars or self-defense weapons, but whether or not they have the right to travel and self-defense. As a movement liberal, as someone who advocates an expansive interpretation of the Bill of Rights, as someone who finds derivation of a right to privacy, right to marriage and right to an abortion from the Constitution quite credible, I support that individual right to self-defense.

Also, yes, sometimes people do need to shoot other individuals with guns. Self-defense is a necessity, as well as a right.

With respect to the "Senior Democrat" who told Politico's Ben Smith

"We didn't lose this fight. Barack Obama was in law school when this fight was lost.

The role of Democrats should not be to convince people that government is great; it should be to help people reach their potential -- and government is a tool to do that. There has been a strain of skepticism about the government in the American character since the founding. Only the New Deal changed that significantly, but we have been returning to the norm ever since then.

This is the core of the left's critique -- the country doesn't agree with us, so take what political capital you have and use it to convince people to agree with us. But the presidency is not a Brookings lecture series; it's about governing the country and making a difference."

that's the subject of a one hour show I did on Virtually Speaking, and the link is here:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/...

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©

 I'd say people need to drive cars, Stuart, but they don't need to shoot each other with guns.

P.S. I vaguely recall someone mentioning that either a ranking Democrat or someone in the Administration had stated that "Americans decided 30 years ago against large Federal interventions in the economy", or something similar.  It might have been you or Jay Ackroyd that posted that?  I was wondering if you knew of a link.  Thanks!

~

Disquskurr
Disquskurr

What an idiot? God is everywhere, he is omnipresent !! Surely, a man of God, as Mr Huckabee claims to be should know that !!

By his logic, God is angry, as he is not allowed in Malls,schools and 'hot-dog' stands. So the calamities, his explanation.

What an ignorant fellow !!

Disquskurr
Disquskurr

Huckabee is a sinner, a low class sinner...

Theresa55
Theresa55

Statistics say it all. 

I'd like to see the statistics on how many mass shootings took place in schools since America's God-based constitution was created in the 1700's and when prayer was stopped in the 1960's.

And statistics on how many times during trouble in real life and in violent movies someone shouts, "Oh God!" or "Oh my God!" and how many times they cry out, "Oh Satan!"

Here's the quote from Charles Baudelaire who lived in the 1800's.  You may remember his quote from the movie The Usual Suspects

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."[

Cthulhu Shrugged
Cthulhu Shrugged

Right on, Theresa... back then they knew what was what.  The might not have a school massacre, but by Jesus they knew how to throw a witch-hunt!  Oh, and biological warfare/extermination against the aboriginals.  Ah, and the race-based enslavement of an entire people.

Such a righteous, godly bunch they were.

SeasiderWR
SeasiderWR

God-based Constitution????????

There is not a single mention of God in the U.S. constitution.

ARTraveler
ARTraveler

It is hard to have a mass shooting with a musket that takes 20 minutes to reload!  Autiomatic weapons with large magazines are fairly recent.  Go to the Military Channel and look at the WWI films.  The machine guns were large and clunky and tended to jam.  We got better in killing in WWII and every war since then but assault weapons readily available to the public is a fairly recent phenomena.  And the Huckster know all of this.  Arkansas is a rural state and he attended a bunch of racoon dinners , etc., during his 12 years here as bro-gov.  Everytime he comes out with one of his off the wall statements, it is accompanied by a need for money to "fix" it.  You know it isn't going to get "fixed" but the man has expenses with his beachside house in Florida (built on the sand-kind of questionable?) and staff and sons and daughter working for him as well as the house in North Little Rock.  And the big question everyone needs to ask is-did he misrepresent his call to the Ministry?  Or did he tell God to forget it, he could make more money in politics and the fundraising ministry.

filmnoia
filmnoia

Huckabee is a cipher, so why even bother with what he has to say.

reflectionephemeral
reflectionephemeral

He is not entitled to deny indisputable facts because they don’t suit his agenda.

Actually, denying indisputable facts is what he's paid to do.

Theresa55
Theresa55

Statistics are a proven ground for reasoning.  Therefore to be fair to everyone's argument lets get the answer to this as to compare -

 

What is the percentage of mass shootings in American schools between when our God based constitution and schools were created in the late 1700's and when prayer was taken out of schools in the early 1960's?

 

And with regard to the subject of sin.  Let us not forget Charles Pierre Baudelaire's  famous quote - most recently used in the movie The Usuals Suspects.

 

  "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

dawn orthen
dawn orthen

 are 'chu forgetting in the 1960s guns werent as available as they are today?

i, a 17 year old girl, can walk to a local pawn shop and purchase a modified handgun AND rounds for 42.99+10.99 (11 USD for "hush money")

gun laws hve become lax.

guns have become massively prevalent (i think a national average was one gun for every three people?) and so many families have them. it doesnt take a lot to acquire a firearm, just some sticky fingers.

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©
ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©

 Come to think of it,  not many nuclear explosions were set off until after penicillin was successfully used to treat disease.

Join the dots, people!

~

Cthulhu Shrugged
Cthulhu Shrugged

The average temperature of the earth has steadily increased, as the number of sea-faring pirates has dropped to near-extinction.  It is clear that pirates prevent global warming.

As of now, those goodly Somalian pirates are all that is standing between us, and the Earth looking like Venus.

Wake up, sheeple!

Theresa55
Theresa55

In these types of discussion perhaps it would help to do some research into this question.

1. Exactly how many mass school shootings took place in America between the time our God based constitution went into effect in the late 1700's and prayer in school became illegal in the early 1960's.

Alden Utter
Alden Utter

 The Constitution is hardly "God based". In fact, the explicitly religous arguments at the time were from the Anti-Federalists, who opposed the Constitution because it didn't have any religious content, and banned sectarian qualifications for office.

peacock2828
peacock2828

Hey, you know what else happened in schools in the 1960s?  Integration.  Therefore, racism in schools causes prayer.

...or something.

sacredh
sacredh

Huckabee is just tossing stuff out there and trying to make connections where there isn't any proof for them. I haven't got a raise for two years and Lebron James bolted for Miami two years ago. There's got to be a connection in there somewhere.

Sage__Owl
Sage__Owl

Are these statistics that are the "proven ground for reasoning" the ones that use "correlation does not imply causation" as a maxim? I ask only because you use the word as though it does not mean what you think it means.

AfGuyReturns
AfGuyReturns

Got another one... how many kids failed final exams in school between the time the Constitiution went into effect and prayer in public school became illegal?

Has to be a correlation...  used to be, everyone I knew said one before they started. 

Are the failures now to be blamed on His not listening any more?

J
J

WTF? Seriously bro? That's all that matters here? Let's not consider what's happened since 1960 like all the new assault weapons on the market, the lack of any gun controls, the Internet which makes purchasing them as easy as buying CD's on Amazon, the violence in movies and TV, the 24/7 news cycle which makes mass murders more likely by fetishizing them,  etc. None of that matters, it's all about prayer in schools. 

AfGuyReturns
AfGuyReturns

Tongue in cheek... tongue VERY MUCH in cheek.