Morning Must Reads: Stretch

“The White House is pushing the Senate’s bipartisan Gang of Six to expedite the rollout of its deficit reduction plan”
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Oh God here we go again! We do not need a damn gang what we need is some authenticity in politics, some heart, some soul. This gang along with all the other gangs just do not care about you. They are what the name gang means, out for themselves.

“‘I said, “You want to repeal health care? Go at it. We’ll have that debate. You’re not going to be able to do that by nickel-and-diming me in the budget. You think we’re stupid?”‘”
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RustFreep and Paulie definitely think so.

RE pic: These guys are married??

Take a look at these.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/04/13/the_y_article

The Y Article:

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/events/docs/A%20National%20Strategic%20Narrative.pdf

I’d love some of the Time staff’s take on this. It seems someone in the Military think the POTUS agenda (if he could be King and straight implement it) is the way to go.

RE pic: Rahm assures Obama that it’s just his thumb. He didn’t take his nose.
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Everyone has a good laugh.

FL Gov. BullShannon had his lawyer lie–er, not be completely truthful, about high-speed rail….
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http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/article1152168.ece

*snort*

When The Only Thing You Have Going For You Is Donald Trump Being Called A Birther…..You Have To Also LIE

Pakistan condemns suspected drone strike that killed six
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Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) — Pakistan has issued a strongly-worded statement condemning a deadly, suspected U.S. drone strike in the country’s tribal region.
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“Drone attacks have become a core irritant in the counter-terror campaign,” a statement from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said Wednesday. “We have repeatedly said that such attacks are counter productive and only contribute to strengthen the hands of the terrorists.”
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Wednesday’s strike is the first since March 17, when a drone strike in North Waziristan killed 44 people — most of them civilians, two Pakistani sources said. It’s the 19th strike this year, according to a count by CNN’s Islamabad bureau.
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Such strikes have inflamed tensions between Pakistan and the United States. Pakistan has formally asked the United States for an apology.

We’d then have to acknowledge that we’re doing something we’ve never acknowledged doing…
…aside from its overall effectiveness. Is the civilian casualty rate really that high or is Pak posturing?

Even as ordinary citizens struggle with ever rising energy costs. Obama forces an extreme environmental agenda on Americans while of course exempting himself and in most instances flaunting abuse of his imposition on others.

More glowing hypocrisy from the arrogant left. And the MSM remains largely silent continuing to give Obama a pass.

A “green economy” means we pay more green for all our energy as the Obama’s and Gore’s ride in private jets lecturing us about fossil fuels

For US: Obama told us that in the dilapidated sustainable shack on a hill he envisioned, “we can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees all the time, and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK.”

For OBAMA:“ Mr. Obama’s senior adviser, David Axelrod said, who occupies the small but strategically located office next door to his boss. “He likes it warm. You could grow orchids in there.”

the President who fashions himself as environmentally minded, keeping oil wells from producing, talking up energy independence but keeps his temperature in his White House office at 82 degrees and with 56 personal trainers in the DC phone book has his personal trainer fly in from Chicago each week. Yes we want a healthy President but at what cost to taxpayers and the environment?

For US:
“I’m directing our departments and our agencies to make sure 100 percent of the vehicles they buy are fuel-efficient or clean energy cars and trucks by 2015.Not 50 percent, not 75 percent — 100 percent of our vehicles,” Obama said today at an appearance in Landover, Md., at UPS facility to urge private companies to green their vehicle fleets

For OBAMA:Presidential limousine, security vehicles exempt from fed ‘green’ vehicle policy.Although the Obama administration has ordered agencies to cut gasoline use as part of an effort to reduce emissions by 28 percent from a 2008 baseline by 2020, 2010 saw the largest year-over-year increase in gasoline consumption in the last five years

I’ll say to you what I said to Freep the other day (and I expect crickets just the same)
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When you call someone a liar, generally you should offer some evidence as to wha the lie is/why it’s a lie.

“The debate over fiscal policy will prove critical to the 2012 campaign and Obama sought to frame it as a ‘stark choice between investing in the future or watching the country fall apart.
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“‘Under their vision, we can’t invest in roads and bridges and broadband and high-speed rail,’ Obama told a select group of the Democratic faithful at the second of three fundraising events in his hometown of Chicago.
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“‘I mean, we would be a nation of potholes, and our airports would be worse than places that we thought — that we used to call the Third World, but who are now investing in infrastructure.’”
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Regardless of what you think of him and his politics, RustFreep,
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a) read the #$@# article
b) your Pavlovian penchant for MSU is useless.

[Citation Needed]

I think Free would prefer that the President drive a Sebring convertible similar to the one he owns.

Wait, wait…I’ve got it!
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Free is Michael Scott!!! It all makes sense now.

“Under their vision, we can’t invest in roads and bridges and broadband and high-speed rail,” Obama told a select group of the Democratic faithful at the second of three fundraising events in his hometown of Chicago.
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“I mean, we would be a nation of potholes, and our airports would be worse than places that we thought — that we used to call the Third World, but who are now investing in infrastructure.”

What part of that is a lie, FreeRusty?
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I mean, [we know how much you hate scrutiny], but can you be rational for a moment and explain?

I heard, and now this is just rumor, but the next big break through in “Green Energy” is the collection and distribution of MOONBEAMS.
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I am sure they are onto something, those darn liberals are so smart, I swear.

When In Doubt, or If Your Credibility Sucks – Get a Cool Phone

You forgot “LOL”

Repeal ObamaCare? Republicans have apparently given up on that idea since their blueprint for abolishing Medicare forces seniors into a government-backed program that…operates literally identical to Obama’s health care reform. Except that “:ObamaCare” was never meant for seniors, so all of the old folks on Medicare will steadily lose coverage and face huge increases in costs, because you know how cheap it is for private insurers to cover old, sick people!
http://www.sunstateactivist.org

http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1104/dennis_kucinich_ventriloquist.html
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Dennis Kucinich – Mr Ventriloquist!!!

Rainbows and Unicorns – Jesse Jackson “The Rainbow PUSH Coalition unequivocally deny Tommy Bennett’s false claims of harassment, retaliation and discrimination”
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Uh oh!!

“I said, ‘You want to repeal health care? Go at it. We’ll have that debate. You’re not going to be able to do that by nickel-and-diming me in the budget. You think we’re stupid?’” recalled the president of his closed-door negotiations on the bill to fund the federal government until September. (listen to the remarks in the video at left)

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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20054185-503544.html
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Re civilian causality rate (8.1): tough to say, tucked safely away at my computer. I’d imagine Pak is posturing to some degree. Conversely, our own tallies of “suspected militants” vs “innocents” killed are likely not immune to, um, posturing..
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What is beyond doubt is that Pakistan’s government wants drone attacks to stop and it is straining relations with our “ally”. Also, a significant number of her people are pissed. Those who wish to do us harm are absolutely poised to take advantage of the situation.
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Regardless of which figures are most accurate, radicals are presenting this as wanton aggression, imperialism and callous disregard for the lives of innocents. That makes us here less safe.

“Atlas Shrugged and Critics Wept”*

(via)

@9.4: I’d also like to congratulate you on your support of Green Energy, primarily through the advertisement of The New Solar Power Station on your blog.

I’m sure you have dozens of I-Phones and Blackberrys

you put my keyboard in extreme danger of having wine spewed on it.

Shame sir, shame! ;D

Speaking of ‘harassment’, here’s some free-speech hating Tea Party thug by the name of Rod Burket pushing around a local blogger at one of their little Tea Parties, after stating it was an open meeting.
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http://bedfordcountyfreepress.com/?p=17166
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The Tea Party has its thugs, too. And I’m sure you’d be willing to denounce thuggery no matter who perpetrates it. Unless you think this Rod Burket guy should get a pass, jut because he’s a Tea Partier.
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But setting a different standard for the Tea Party than you do for Unions and minority advocacy groups would make you a hypocrite. And you’re not a hypocrite, are you Rusty?

Less safe if the drones stop flying.
Less safe if Pakistan keeps treating the tribal regions like Somalia.
Less safe if the CIA doesn’t pick up on chatter and act accordingly.
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However, I wonder what the outcome/reaction would be if we DON’T drop drone bombs on suspected terrorists.

When I say “That makes us here less safe”, I mean we inspire retaliation. The last few attempted terror attacks (that we know about)– the failed Time’s Square car bomber, the “undie bomber”– claim to have been radicalized in order to seek revenge for the innocents killed in Pakistan and Afghanistan. We are not vulnerable to attack from any military force, we are vulnerable to isolated terror attacks by people that homeland security and local police don’t see coming. What we do in Af/Pak creates more of those people.

So it’s worth restating that Scott Walker is a liar.*

At one point, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) confronted Walker about his crackdown on public employee unions. The congressman referenced a provision Walker signed into law that would require union members to vote every year to continue their membership. Kucinich asked the governor how much money the state would save from the provision. Walker repeatedly dodged the question and eventually admitted that it actually wouldn’t save anything at all.
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Kucinich then asked Walker how much money would be saved by barring union dues from being drawn from employee paychecks, another provision of Walker’s legislation. Walker claimed that it would save workers money, but was unable to explain how it would save the state any money. Kucinich then produced a document from the Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau, the state’s equivalent of the Congressional Budget Office, that concluded that Walker’s measures were “nonfiscal” — meaning they had no impact on the state’s finances.

(*”[This bill] helped us save 1,500 middle-class jobs by moving forward this week with the budget repair. The state will now be able to realize $30 million in savings to balance the budget and allow 1,500 state employees to keep their jobs.”)

(I guess that part about the “1,500 state employees to keep their jobs” is true if you think of their jobs as being held hostage…)

My favorite review, so far…
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http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/articles/2011/04/15/atlas_shrugged_and_so_does_the_audience/
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When a union head storms into her office to complain that the new rails haven’t been tested for safety, Taggart counters that workers should be happy she’s providing jobs, and whether to work or not is their choice. This being a simplistic tale of visionary capitalists and the weaklings who get in their way, of course the train is safe.

Whoever he is, he’s “fairly stupid.“

He’s been on this beat for a while, but Tim Pawlenty has stepped up his rhetoric on the debt ceiling. [...]
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Howard Kurtz followed up:

Such a move would seem certain to frighten the credit markets, but when I slid into the seat next to Pawlenty and asked him about it, he insisted that Obama had set up a “false choice” and that there is “enough cash flow” to stretch things out while Congress pushes for a leaner budget.

This is fairly stupid. The idea of punting on the limit and letting Treasury pink-swear to pay off debt has been rejected by Tim Geithner and Eric Cantor, the latter saying this in March.[...]
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One fluke of the 2012 presidential race is that it doesn’t include any members of the Senate. It only includes, theoretically, two members of the House: Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul. Both of them work independently of leadership and rarely or never cast tough compromise votes. So there’s no pressure for Pawlenty to endorse a compromise position — he hasn’t really done so since he supported the 2010 tax cut deal. And with no pressure compelling him to compromise, he chooses to take the position that makes no sense.

When The Only Thing You Have Going For You Is Donald Trump Being Called A Birther…..You Have To Also LIE.
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…says the lying birther. Rusty also says,
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I do believe we now have the proof needed to challenge Obama’s right to be our President. Our Congress should act on this quickly, and put all efforts into once and for all giving the truth about Obama.

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http://www.newfreedomblog.com/blogging-for-america/president-barack-hussein-obama-or-is-he-legally-our-president-
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I can’t wait for Congress to ‘give the truth’.

I hear ya, but whether the drones don’t fly or not don’t you think these guys will try to attack us anyway? Or do you think that acting on intelligence will do the trick?

“When rich white guys talk about black people“

Appearing on a radio show hosted by the New York Post’s Fred Dicker this morning, Trump took on the “frightening” level of support that President Obama enjoys from black voters, bragged that “I’ve always had a great relationship with the blacks,” and saluted Hillary Clinton — whose 2008 campaign against Obama was dogged by occasional suggestions that it was catering to racial and cultural resentments — for all the work she’s done for “the black population.”
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We can argue about whether this might hurt Trump — both in terms of his fake presidential campaign’s prospects and the reputation of the Trump brand.

Foggy, Grape, you should read those links I posted. Apparently the Pentagon-heads thinks so too (even if they publish it as “Y”).

Attached comments to ‘blogicle:’
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You guys should really read the links I posted. “Less safe” may be because we are focusing too much on military might (and this is written by military men.)

(we were writing at the same time nflfoghorn)
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I wonder what the outcome/reaction would be if we DON’T drop drone bombs on suspected terrorists.
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I think the radicals would fade away. Hardened AQ fighters can’t reach us. They won’t board planes and make it into the country. They are only a threat to soldiers we put in harm’s way. The threat comes from individuals here or in Europe that sympathize with the innocents killed.
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Rand Corp. analyzed statics on how terror groups end, they say: “By analyzing a comprehensive roster of terrorist groups that existed worldwide between 1968 and 2006, the authors found that most groups ended because of operations carried out by local police or intelligence agencies or because they negotiated a settlement with their governments. Military force was rarely the primary reason a terrorist group ended”
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Rand recommends: “a light U.S. military footprint or none at all” when fighting terror in that region. (link)

When it’s a Dem, to you it’s a tantrum. When it’s a repub, it’s “Strong Leadership”.

Now that we know that Republicans were lying all along, I guess we can watch his campaign coffers and learn whether Wall Street and The Chamber ever really gave a sh!t about “uncertainty”.

“‘I’ve always had a great relationship with the blacks’”
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I’ve always had a hang-up when you use the article “the” to describe a race of people.

Wow. I thought there would be bad reviews (c’mon, production had “low TV quality” stamped all over it) but WOW, those are awful.

newfie – I’m glad you’re sharing your trip to Disney land with us, but is this really the place for it? Also, I hope after that little tirade, your mom didn’t let you ride Space Mountain…

Thanks for visiting my website everyone, truly is appreciated.

Drones aren’t “light” IYO, then.
Darn effective, though, IF we hit the right guys.
No way to verify that, I’m afraid, since we’re not supposed to be doing that in the first place.

Upton Sinclair is spinning in his grave.

Made by animal rights advocates posing as farm workers, such videos have prompted meat recalls, slaughterhouse closings, criminal convictions of employees and apologies from corporate executives assuring that the offending images are an aberration.
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In Iowa, where agriculture is a dominant force both economically and politically, such undercover investigations could soon be illegal.
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A bill before the Iowa legislature would make it a crime to produce, distribute or possess photos and video taken without permission at an agricultural facility. It would also criminalize lying on an application to work at an agriculture facility “with an intent to commit an act not authorized by the owner.”
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Similar legislation is being considered in Florida and Minnesota, part of a broader effort by large agricultural companies to pre-emptively block the kind of investigations that have left their operations uncomfortably — and unpredictably — open to scrutiny.

(of course, many of the same people who would support this legislation would also support doing this)

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=hdaGqGSUSU

“I think Free would prefer that the President drive a Sebring convertible”
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No I prefer the President and the rest of the liberal to live as they want everybody else to live and not like the hypocritical pompous gasbags that they are.
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More proof that Rusty hates America. We already knew he doesn’t believe in free speech.

Wow. I gotta save the .pdf for later, but wow. Very interesting, and thanks.
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Wondering…
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(1) If part of the job of the DoD is to identify threats to national security, is this document a result of them doing their job?
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(2) Yes it’s true that the support of civilian policy by the military often matches that of the current administration.
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(3) As the US becomes more like these Middle-Eastern dictatorships, is the non-financial elite going to start acting the same way here as the folks in Egypt or Libya have? I mean, there’s a psuedo-populist movement present in the Teabagger, but they’ve been effectively co-opted by right wing authoritarian types and do dumb things like vote against their own interests.
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Think about it; raise the SocSec retirement age to 67, reduce benefits, and force people to work longer…that translates to a larger number of unemployed young people…which is one of the ingredients in the various uprisings in the ME.
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I mean, we’re not there as we haven’t hit the threshold intensity needed to spark such an event here in the US, but…

Could’ve been worse. He could’ve went with Rusty’s fave: “welfare Blacks”
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http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/01/10/california-bust/#comment-122301

“I’m glad you’re sharing your trip to Disney land with us”
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I’m not sure that’s fair. That little girl seems a lot more rational than Rusty.

And if anyone knows about talking out of both sides of his mouth, it’s Rusty.

“A bill before the Iowa legislature would make it a crime to produce, distribute or possess photos and video taken without permission at an agricultural facility. ”
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I’m not sure how that would have a chance of survival if it went to the Supreme Court. Seems to fly directly in the face of Free Speech protections.

“No I prefer the President and the rest of the liberal to live as they want everybody else to live and not like the hypocritical pompous gasbags that they are.”
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With a guarantee of Social Security and not having to spend everything I’ve earned in lifetime on the last few years of medical costs, while seeing corporations and the top 1% pay their fair share of taxes?
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Uhmm, ok. You got a deal.

“welfare Blacks”
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…with their grubby little hands out, harassing me and my family. Why don’t they stick with what they do best–play sports??

I’ve never faulted Bush for sending troops in to whack AQ camps. But they were foreign militants in a specific area, not indigenous people. I don’t think our intelligence is strong enough there to effectively run a drone campaign. And the evidence supports me: we are killing civilians, the reaction from the Pakistani govt and people tells us that the program is counter-productive. In Afghanistan too: we are not fighting AQ, we have chosen sides in a three-decade long civil war and a significant portion of the population is against us.
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Our security, IMO, would have been far better served if Bush sent special ops in to do what they had to do while simultaneously acting to end AQ’s ability to finance (which he did), and then leave. Building bases does not help our security, it hurts. I think all parties involved knew this too– their top priority was the bases themselves, not immediate security concerns. We are not fighting terror, we are building and defending bases. Shame on Bush for allowing the neocons to run policy; shame on Obama for not changing trajectory.

It has often occurred to me that we are somewhat of a mishmash between our ideals and, yes, the weird phenom of power corrupting (and the even odder idea of “if we SAY this then they have to believe it” which only works on about half the country).

Culturally, we are different enough that I believe your last point about youth is already at play. It’s mostly generated a lot more youth violence as gangs. It’s definitely driven young “im-pats” (as opposed to ex-pats” to extremism. In fact, it seems like our terrorism threats since 9/11 have been almost *solely* from this branch of the population. (including non-muslim based terrorists like the dissaffected young Philly guy who went after police and several like him.). I’m not sure those who are so self related would be interested in taking up against the government. Where I think youth in the M.E. really want work, our youth just have some kind of constant identity crisis going on.

Birther control.

The bill…passed the state house 40-16 last night and now goes to the desk of Gov. Jan Brewer.
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If it is signed into law, it’s not clear whether the bill would apply to Obama and the 2012 race. Its sponsor insists that the bill does not target Obama, though it clearly does. The bill says that candidates must produce a “long form birth certificate” or a combination of other documents (a “circumcision certificate” is listed) in order to be put on the ballot in Arizona.

(not sure how one state’s legislation invalidating other state’s official documentation will fly…not to mention that its intent is to keep a sitting President from possibly running for another term)

“Attached comments to ‘blogicle:’
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They go to more ‘reliable’ birther blogs.

From the article:
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The names of candidates can be kept off the ballot if the secretary of state doesn’t believe the candidates met the citizenship requirement.

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“Well, I’ve seen all their paperwork, but I’m still not convinced he’s not a Muslim lovin’ Kenyan, so I’m not going to let his name go on the ballot.”

RE: the Picture

Who said jitterbugging was dead?

Bout time

‘Whenever you hear people say our problems are too big to solve, or we can’t bring about the changes we seek, I want you to think about all the problems progress we’ve made,” Obama said.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377305/Obama-addresses-birther-issue-directly-whirlwind-day-Chicago-fundraising.html

Just like Jimmy “The Man” Carter. Here today, THANK GOD HE’S GONE TOMORROW!!!
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/147140/Obama-Job-Approval-Tying-Low.aspx
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Obama Job Approval at 41%, Tying His Low

OOps….forgot my smiley face Have a great weekend everyone!! You too Mr President!!

Freak in Pa is afraid that if he post links the wealth distributors, illegal immigrants and French people hiding under his bed at night wearing tinfoil hats using Steve Forbes computer will come out and attack him:
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This appears to be Freak, the missing link’s missing link:
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http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=42787
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Human Events is a weekly American conservative[1] magazine. It takes its name from the first sentence of the United States Declaration of Independence (“When in the course of human events…”)[citation needed]
Human Events is published in Washington, DC by Eagle Publishing (which also owns Regnery Publishing), a subsidiary of Phillips Publishing. Thomas S. Winter is editor-in-chief and Jason Mattera is online editor [1]. Regular writers have included Robert Novak, Ann Coulter, Terrence P. Jeffery and John Gizzi. Occasional contributors have included Pat Buchanan, Sean Hannity, Newt Gingrich and Oliver North, as well as conservative celebrities such as Ted Nugent, Chuck Norris and Pat Sajak.
Human Events was founded in 1944 by Washington Post editor (1933–40) Felix Morley, newspaperman Frank Hanighen and former New Dealer[2] Henry Regnery. In 1951, Frank Chodorov, former director of the Henry George School of Social Science[3] in New York, replaced Morley as editor, merging his newsletter, analysis, into Human Events.[4] By the early 1960s, Allan Ryskind (son of Morrie Ryskind) and Winter had acquired the publication.[5] In 1993, Human Events was acquired by Eagle Publishing.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Events
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Either that or Freak doesn’t want to admit that he gets his politics from Ted Nugent and Pat Sajak.
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Is it true that when Sajak writes an article you can only see four of the consonants and one vowels and have to guess the rest of it?
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Does Vana White help him write?

The president, in an unscripted moment with donors in Chicago, was talking about the need to innovate in technology.

“The Oval Office, I always thought I was going to have really cool phones and stuff,” he said during a small fundraising event at a Chicago restaurant. “I’m like, c’mon guys, I’m the president of the United States. Where’s the fancy buttons and stuff and the big screen comes up? It doesn’t happen.”
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Ooooooooooooooooooh!
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Nearly every commercial real estate agent in NYC has an IPhone or a Blackbery and has skype.
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Why not POTUS, too?

What I find harder to believe is that Rusty has Freakinpa in his lap, not talking, but typing on his own computer when he types.
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Now that is a great trick with dummy!
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Or, maybe Rusty and Freak have a…. special relationship.

Oh, come on! Another Sarah Palin video?
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I thought she was out of the news.

This is my favorite part of that review you linked to:
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Wealthy industrialist Henry Reardon (Grant Bowler) joins forces with like-minded entrepreneur Taggart to bring a high-speed train through Colorado despite government attempts to thwart their ingenuity

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LOL!
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How about when the federal government tries to build high speed rails and CEO of Koch Industries Charles Koch tries to thwart their ingenuity!
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Talk about irony!

Speaking of polls –

5. Buyer’s remorse? Maybe.

A poll released Thursday by Public Policy Polling shows deep dissatisfaction with Gov. Tom Corbett, who has only a 34 percent approval rating. Only six in 10 Republican voters approve of Corbett’s job performance so far and the governor is also suffering among independents, pollsters found.

And if voters had it to do over, they would have picked Democrat Dan Onorato by a 49-44 percent margin over the Republican.

Pennsylvania joins the ranks of five other states, including Wisconsin, where voters are ruing their decision to put a Republican in the governor’s office, the PPP pollsters said.
“Part of that is a reminder of just how much of the Republican gains last year were driven by low Democratic turnout- the party’s voters were fat and happy after big wins in 2006 and 2008 and just didn’t have the sense of urgency they would have needed to keep that momentum going last year,” the organization said in a blog post. “But the other thing it’s reflective of is that there has been somewhat of a shift in the political landscape over the last five months, particularly with independent voters.”

The survey of 593 voters was conducted April 7 to April 10. It had a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percent. View the full results here.

http://blogs.mcall.com/capitol_ideas/2011/04/friday-morning-coffee-the-weekend-warm-up-1.html

Maybe voters don’t like cutting education by 50%; eliminating Adult Basic – health care for low income; and refusing to tax the Marcellus Shale drillers (who were big campaign contributors.)

Yeah, we know how many illegal immigrants get elected to congress.
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You know, they overstay a tourist visa, they wash dishes for four or five years and – next thing you know they have a few million dollars, have good friends at the country club they belong to who help their campaign and become members of congress.
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Yeah, right.
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The Arizona Republican Party: Solving problems that aren’t really there to begin with.

And the Rev Jim gets his info & politics from Charlie Sheen & Rosie O’Donnell

Charlie Sheen & Rosie O’Donnell?
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Martin Sheen and Lawrence O’Donnell, maybe.
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Hey, Martin Sheen was in Apocalypse now.