Republicans and Rock Don’t Mix

I wonder if Toby Keith would be upset if Obama or Pelosi used one of his songs used one of his songs without permission?

Good idea, Michael. Ted Nugent’s “Wang Dang Sweet Poontang” would have been an excellent slogan for Carl Paladino.
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Dunno if Christine O’Donnell would have gone with it, though.

I think we can safely scratch Barney Frank off of the list of people who might want to use it too.

The Tea Party might want to use “Stranglehold” during the primaries.

Hannity some years ago found out that Bruce Hornsby was a liberal and not happy about him using one of his tunes to open his radio show and often coming back from commercial. It was legal and Hannity didn’t much care about Hornsby’s politics. He liked the music. As a conservative you learn to assume most entertainers are liberal and so what? I find Sean Penn and George Clooney to be political airheads but respect their acting. They do message movies periodically and you just avoid them. One of my more pleasant experiences was at a Springsteen concert up in the Meadowlands when he decided to do an anti-war segment near an intermission. He spent about 5 minutes reading a statement and doing some slide show and 95% of the audience ignored him. I could not hear him so many people were talking about something else.

Republicans and rock mix quite well. We buy their albums to listen to their music. I can absolutely, positively guarantee you I’ve never given Springsteens political babbel more than 3 seconds of thought.

One of the more amazing aspects of the post-Iraq era is how much money hollywood pissed away trashing the war, Bush and America and how little they got. There had to be 25 anti-war, anti-bush movies and every single one bombed. If it cost $50M to make and distribute a film that’s well over $1B. It’s got to be especially painful now that Obama has endorsed every one of GWBs policies.

don’t the best of them bleed it out
while the rest of them peter out
truth or consequence, say it aloud
use that evidence race it around

- Foo Fighters

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/11/16/critical-mass/

“We buy their albums”
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Yup. Nothing says “I’m hip to the Rock n Roll” like dropping the word ‘albums’.

“There had to be 25 anti-war, anti-bush movies and every single one bombed.”
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Care to take any bets on the opening weekend box office for Atlas Shrugged: The Movie, which opens this weekend?
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I’m 57, I have no friggin desire to be seen as hip. FYI: I think going to CDs and now downloads lost a little in terms of album art. Many told a story. Digital is much better but there was something about being 18 and going over the album collection of a date for some enlightenment.

Apparently Foo Fighters put their newest out on actual vinyl so……we can’t really go there.

I have no friggin desire to be seen as hip. FYI: I think going to CDs and now downloads lost a little in terms of album art. Many told a story.
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Agree 100% with all of this. In the Led Zep box set, Jimmy Page says about the “Houses of the Holy” cover something like, “we had to work on that thing for ages– couldn’t get the contrast quite right. And it’s just a piece of paper in a CD box now, so there you go. The music’s pretty good, though.”
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I think the deaths of 4,500 American servicemen and 100,000-plus Iraqis, plus a trillion or so dollars, for absolutely nothing is a bigger deal than Hollywood funding some unpopular movies, but I guess we all have to find humor where we can.

Atlas Shugged strikes me as hard material for an entertaining movie but it always comes down to the writing and directing. If this is going to be preachy and superficial it will fail. It has to tell a story. I only saw a few of the anti-war movies and found them insultingly pretentious. The movie W sucks and Oliver Stone is a good movie maker. George Clooney’s Syrianna was awful and Speilbegs Munich was a major disappointment.

The only twp decent examples I can think of in that genre of liberal message movies were The American President with Michael Douglas and Dave. Neither took itseft too seriously and ended with liberal wet dreams that were obvious fiction. In AP Richard Dreyfus was hilarious hamming it up as the evil republican. Dave is all about how Presidents create jobs. Obama cleared up that false impression.

Wait, here’s the real quote, and it was Plant, not Page: “We had a lot of problems with the artwork. We’d taken trouble on the LP so there didn’t seem to be any reason to compromise. It was a very different process, because of the amount of color involved. In the end, they never got it right and its’s just a piece of paper in a CD box now so there you go. I like the album, though.”

“Digital is much better but there was something about being 18 and going over the album collection of a date for some enlightenment.”
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I don’t necessarily disagree, rdw, but as the man said,
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Come gather ’round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You’ll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin’
Then you better start swimmin’ or you’ll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin’

Anyway, maybe safer to stick with Ted Nugent?
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Heh. Between Bachmann and Palin, who gets Little Miss Dangerous and who gets Thunder Thighs? Big case of Cat Scratch Fever over that one…
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Funny thing is that both should be using Crazy Ladies.
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Anyway, it’s hilarious how often GOPers get shot down when they’re trying to borrow someone else’s cool.

elvis,

just pointing out the political uselessness of celebrities in politics. I was shocked at the Springsteen show. I hate his politics but the man puts on a hell of a show and that I respect. He did this 5 or 10 minute thing during an intermission and I swear he didn’t have 100 people paying attention. The band had left the stage and the lights were on. Bruce wanted to talk.

I have no problem with Speilberg or Clooney making any kind of movie they want. It’s a free country and they put a lot of people to work. I’m free not to watch. It just amazes me when they intend to make a message movie just how bad they are. I think Rob Reiner did the American President. You can’t get farther left than he and Martin Sheen. So I know I’m getting cartoon figures. Michael Douglas wasn’t bad until the end. Richard Drefus was ridiculous. I could not tell if this is Reiners image of a republican or Drefus was just having a good time or both. But it wasn’t a serious movie. I haven’t seen W from beginning to end but it’s horrible. All of the characters are cartoonish none more than W. Liberals have this need to play conservatives as stupid. The man beat you in 4 elections and he’s the dope? This is why historians can’t work in the current period.

The net result of this arrogance and superficiality is really bad movie making. You are not even preaching to the choir. They’re not even going.

BTW: I was actually being generous with hollywoods impact. I think it’s negative. Farenheight 9/11 absolutely hurt kerry and probably cost Tom Daschle his job. Tom made the egregious mistake of posing with Michael Moore at the DC premiere. The movie actually opened in Europe and MM did a long tour and at each stop ridiculed Americans for being stupid. It made a great commercial for John Thune showing Daschle with his arm around Michael Moore.

Further, one of the oddities of the Iraq anti-war movement was a brief attempt to center it on campuses by veterans of the famous Vietnam protests. Think is these people were legends in their own minds. Those protests were not successful on any level. Besides getting Nixon elected they extended the war. Moreover they eventually did lead to the end of the draft but not in the way liberals envisioned. We now have a professional soldier class well paid, well trained and very well armed. As we found out in 2003 college kids were not interested in protesting. Why bother? They had work to do and they weren’t getting drafted. How deliciously ironic in 2003 the people calling for a draft were liberals.

He is the master. If you are wondering if I’ve move on yes I did and I was quite happy to replace staticy albums with CDs. I am old school. I have kids so hear and like some of the newer stuff but if I now have 30 CDs all but 3 were cut > 25 years ago. I’m late 60′s, early 70′s now called I think rock classics and generally standard Beatles, Stones, Creedance, Allman Brothers, etc. I do have some downloaded CDs but have not migrated to an MP3 player.

As regards Munich, probably the most serious of the bunch, I found Speilbergs point ridiculous and almost immediately off-putting. There is a scene early with Golda Meir assigning the task of going after the butchers of the Olympic Athletes where she starts by apologizing for compromising Israeli values. No she didn’t and she never would have said such a thing. It destroyed the credibility of the movie. Speilberg felt he had to tell us how we were to think rather than trust the story to get us there.

If in the USA you had such an event take place and the President decided to take out those who slaughtered our innocents the number of volunteers would be in the tens of thousands and they’d not lose a minute of sleep.

it’s hilarious how often GOPers get shot down when they’re trying to borrow someone else’s cool.

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How old are you?

just pointing out the political uselessness of celebrities in politics.
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Fair enough.

There is a reason most artists are upset at republicans using their music. Most musicians and artists are compassionate people. They care about the poor, hungry, and those sick without health care.
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Artists like Bob Dylan, Johnny Cash, to GNR and Tupac Shakur relate more to the unworthy than to the country club fat cat republicans. Their art is their passion and life. Why would they want to see the same people who have spent their entire lives and money oppressing the poor, taking health care from the sick, and basically sticking it to the lower and middle class any chance they get?

Well the issue is one of copyright. A lot of artists dont care who uses their songs if they are being paid for the use. I release all of my stuff under something called “creative commons” which basically says I dont care what you do with it, as long as you give me credit for the writing. (Since no one wants to pay me for it anyway).

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In this day and age with digital release and the ease of being able to capture a song, it is a problem all across the board. Something like a statewide campaign would be easy to notice and target for copyright violations. And someone like Byrne has the resources to go after those same violations.

Heh. Indeed. Was trying to think of Tea/Republicans, but that’s probably not going to be part of Frank’s campaign, either.
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Too bad that shirtless NY congressman retired. And I don’t think that David Vitter will want to bring that up, either.

“They do message movies periodically and you just avoid them.”
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Yeah. Heaven forbid that you, y’know, listen to someone else’s viewpoint.

How old are you?
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Why do you think that my age is relevant?

I am getting the liberal point of view just fine. Besides Swampland there’s Sullivan, Huffington and others. All of the good blogs engage the other point of view to begin with so getting the liberal point of view isn’t hard. The joy of and advantage of blogs is they can engage almost immediately and in much detail. It was nice yesterday to see Obama announce he regretted voting against raising the debt limit as a Senator. Of course the reason for that is he was getting killed by the blogs. Search engines and youtube are the conservatives best friends. In 1996 it would not have been mentioned by the MSM.

As far as hollywood I don’t watch movies to get Sean Penn’s political point of view. He’s a good actor and a dick. I watch movies to be entertained. The absolute last place I’d go to for accuracy and balance is Hollywood. IN fact 95% of directors will openly admit they’re telling a story not recording history. The point about the 25 movies is all 25 sucked. I watched W in the sense one watched a traffic accident. It was absurd. Stone would have done far better to play W as a serious figure. This man beat you in 4 elections and you portray him as a dope. If you don’t take yourself seriously why should anyone else. Now it’s possible Stone was targeting a liberal audience but that’s only 1/5 of the population. Why on earth target so small a group. And if you want to diminish Bush why to a group that already shares your opinion?

Stone is well known as a flake. No one takes him literally. JFK and Nixon were out and out fantasies. But at least JFK was entertaining. I never saw Nixon but I saw the ABC roundtable discuss it and they trashed Stone. Sam Donaldson and Cookie Roberts were around Nixon quite a bit and knew much about him. Both were shocked at how often he was drinking in the movie. For some reason Stone had him as a heavy drinker. Sam and Cookie said the never once saw him with a drink in his hand. What’s that about? You can’t demonize Nixon without inventing things?

Note that I am thrilled hollywood sucks at this.

“I’m late 60′s, early 70′s now called I think rock classics and generally standard Beatles, Stones, Creedance, Allman Brothers, etc.”
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Throw in Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Roxy Music, The Who and the Clash and we could party rdw56.

I am so glad this world has liberals. I mean who else would there be to care for the sick the hungry and the poor? Although to be honest, we could do with a few less sanctimonious a-holes.

I am not sure what the law is but after a time it’s all public domain and it doesn’t matter what they think. I vaguely remember Hannity’s ‘dilemma’ but that he did have legal protection and Bruce Hornsby had no choice. He initially decided to keep using his tune just to piss him off. I haven’t listened in years but I thought his intention was to switch to support a conservative artist.

Age is relevant because as a general rule only teenagers fret about being cool.

Many artists are very protective of their songs and don’t want them used for commercials, propaganda for either side or supporting (however tangentally) a cause they don’t support or believe in. The Beatles never allowed any of their music to be used for commercials. Michael Jackson bought their cataloge and made millions from commercials because he owned the rights.
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If a pro-life singer/songwiter wrote a song that was used by Planned Parenthood to raise money to fund abortions, I can imagine the distress it would cause the artist. On the reverse side, if a singer/songwriter that loved animals wrote a song that hunting groups used to raise money to go on safari, they’d have every right to raise hell too.
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Another problem is that often the songs don’t actually mean what people think they do. Born In THe USA was not a flag waving song by any stretch of the imagination any more than Every Breath You Take was a love song. I remember Bush II arriving on a stage and Won’t Get Fooled Again was blasting. They cut it off just before the line “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss” played.

“He initially decided to keep using his tune just to piss him off.”
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Standard operating procedure, for a lot of rightwingers.

Age is relevant because as a general rule only teenagers fret about being cool.
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Given that it’s GOPers like McCain who’ve tried to hitch a ride on others’ celebrity, you’re not saying a whole lot about those politicians.

They’re also in the business to make money and they have to make decisions within their licensing agreement. If I remember correctly Bruce Hornsby had made a decision with his agent not to approach Hannity to ask him to drop his tune. As Hannity pointed out, something like 15M people hear it every day. Bruce might not like conservatives but their money is green and that he likes. You raise good points but I think these artists can limit access as the Beatles and others have done.

In this example I agree. If someone is being an ass it’s fun to taunt them. Hannity was playing his music because he thought it was terrific. That’s respect. Hornsby wasn’t endorsing Hannity. There’s no connection in that regard. If Hornsby has something against conservatives why not make it known he doesn’t want them buying his music?

BTW: I have no idea how this ended. At one point another artist suggested Hannity call Hornsby on the show to have a discussion.

Are you taking about Palin? He made her a celebrity in naming her VP. This entire post is fairly superficial. Rock stars don’t care for republicans. That’s breaking news right behind Hollywood actors don’t like Republicans.

Who cares except the pathetically superficial?

Link is on the word “McCain” above, or just try this:
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/05/heart-van-halen-orleans-j_n_124264.html

rdw56, if it was me, I wouldn’t give a sh!t who used my song as long as I got paid. If it bothered me enough, I’d just write another song making fun of them. In the case of the Beatles, they don’t own the rights to their own songs anymore. Jackson’s estate can use them in beer commercials if they want to. The way I look at it though is that the campaigns should at least ask permission first to avoid lawsuits and negative publicity. It seems to me that with all the great songs out there and artists covering every political persuasion, finding a good song and an artist that backs you would be a piece of cake. If they can’t do that, then the PR people aren’t doing their jobs.

I agree with you here especially as regards political candidates. But my sense is the way copyright laws are written once you sign a licensing agreement you can’t change parameters after the fact. I’m not a lawyer. I refer to the Hannity example because he discussed it. Hannity had the law on his side. It was legal for him to use the clip without asking permission and he may have had to pay a fee each time he did so. You can probably limit distribution in some ways such as not used to promote abortion or abortion restrictions or even require specific consent but it has to be spelled out in advance.

Not to defend Hannity but if I remember correctly he started using the clip more than a decade ago when he 1st got into the business. Like most of these guys he’s a former DJ. They play whatever they want but pay for it. He probably should have asked Hornsby but it’s wasn’t a practice and assumed he was doing him a favor. I would think it’s now standard practice.

As far as a political candidate not getting permission risks major embarrassment.

This is just silly. I get these people don’t want McCain using their stuff. Too bad. They can do what the Beatles did to ensure they controlled their work. All of these artists SOLD their rights however. They went for the MONEY.

As far as McCain going for their celebrity I don’t think so. I’m going to guess of McCains targets audience less than 10% know these artists and less than 10% of them can tie the songs to the right artist. Further, McCain isn’t one of them. The idea is to play good catchy music to entertain the audience. They don’t know who it is and they don’t care. But sacredh makes a gpod point below that candidates should get permission.

“But my sense is the way copyright laws are written once you sign a licensing agreement you can’t change parameters after the fact.”
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I think that’s correct. I don’t buy the old agrument that any publicity is good publicity. That’s why I think that the PR guys should make the extra phone call first to see if there’s going to be a problem. They get paid to present the candidate/client in the best possible light and getting them sued or blasted in the press for something as silly as the use of a song is unnecessary and negligent.

They can do what the Beatles did to ensure they controlled their work…All of these artists SOLD their rights however.
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They sold the rights of their music to the McCain campaign?
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Somehow I doubt that. Most music has some sort of licensing which restricts uncompensated usage.

Who said anything about uncompensated? My understanding is they sell distribution rights for x-amount and while they can set some restrictions such as liquor products they can’t say no jews or blacks or conservatives. The agent then goes and sells.

the above is a response to 8.7

grape-crush, most artists don’t own the rights to their own music. A few do, but not many. The publishing rights are usually signed away for a lump sum with a percentage of future royalties still going to the writer/singer. A good example of this would be McCartney and the song “Yesterday”. McCartney wrote it, sang it and no other Beatle played on the track. It was still released as a Beatles song. Because all songs by either Lennon or McCartney were contractually credited to Lennon/McCartney, Yoko gets half of the money whenever the song is played or recorded by another artist.
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The actual use of the song however is out of McCarney’s hands. Lennon and McCartney lost control of their songs in 1969 because they couldn’t put their personal feud behind them long enough to get together and purchase the rights to their own songs when Dick James (who originally bought the publishing rights from them in 1963) from EMI decided to sell the publishing rights. The Jackson estate could allow another group to record the song and use it to sell viagra on TV if they felt like it.
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Where some campaigns run into trouble is that they pay the fee to use the song but use the original recording and not a re-recording. Sometimes they can use the original song if the artist was dumb enough to sign away all rights. An artist can also lose the rights to their songs if they get into tax trouble and the IRS makes them sell the publishing rights to their songs pay their back taxes.

This is OT, but since we’re at least talking about artistic matters, I used an ice pick to make holes in each end of 18 eggs today and blew the insides out. It gave me a headache, but it also gave me an excuse to take the last two Vicodin ES’s that I had from a prescription when I twisted my knee last winter. I used pearlized paint to paint each egg and used a fine brush to make faint spirals on some of them. I then took some finely ground glass crystals and sprinkled it on each egg. They turned out spectacular. We have a 6 foot pencil tree at the end of the main hallway that has LED lights on it. I hung up the eggs and they sparkle where the lights hit them.
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My wife didn’t know I was working on them and they blew her away. She said they were beautiful and then she told me to take out the garbage.

I guess you don’t know that Toby Keith is a registered Democrat.

parker28201, no, I must have him confused with another country singer that I thought was feuding with the Dixie Chicks. I’m not much of a country music fan other than Johnny Cash, the Eagles, Lyle Lovette. k d lang and Steve Earle. Thank you for pointing out my error.

most artists don’t own the rights to their own music. A few do, but not many. The publishing rights are usually signed away for a lump sum with a percentage of future royalties still going to the writer/singer.
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Maybe back in the 50′s and 60′s. Not so much nowadays.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/14/jackson-browne-sues-mccai_n_118977.html

Jackson Browne filed a lawsuit today against the presumptive GOP nominee and the Republican Party for failing to obtain a license to use one of his songs in a television commercial.
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The song, “Running on Empty,” has been used by the Ohio Republican Party (not the McCain campaign) apparently against Browne’s approval. The music icon also claims that in doing so, the false perception is created that he is endorsing McCain’s candidacy.[...]
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We are confident that Jackson Browne will prevail in this lawsuit. Not only have Senator McCain and his agents plainly infringed Mr. Browne’s copyright in Running On Empty, but the Federal Courts have long held that the unauthorized use of a famous singer’s voice in a commercial constitutes a false endorsement and a violation of the singer’s right of publicity,” Lawrence Iser of the Santa Monica, California law firm Kinsella Weitzman Iser Kump & Aldisert said in a press release.

I think it’s the right wing who gets all hot and bothered when a huge majority of celebrities endorse liberal causes.

I guess a six months to ten years as a starving artist makes people into liberals and never brings them back to the right is my best guess.

I never cared very much about musicians or actors, so, I am not sure how much influence they have, but, freedom of speech absolutely includes the freedom not to endorse something you oppose by having your music or likeness tied to it.

“Maybe back in the 50′s and 60′s. Not so much nowadays.”
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You’re probably right. I was reading a book about rock legends last month and it was all about the 50′s, 60′s and 70′s and how many of them had signed away the rights to their songs for peanuts or else lost them because of bankruptcy. I have to admit that I’m not much of a fan of music made in the last 20 years or so. There are some things I like but I find most of it to be unimaginative and shallow. I probably have 3500-4000 cds and I’d guesss that at least 90% of them were made before 1990. Thank God for Kid Rock and Radiohead.
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Not if you sign a licensing deal with an agent to allow it to be used for a fee. A song is a product like any other. Once you put it up for sale for a usage fee you don’t get to choose who buys. Smart campaigns check with the artist but it’s the responsibility of the artist to set limitations in the licensing agreement.

You sure you only had two in you when you wrote this.

patrick, I could never figure out why anybody pays any attention to celebrities because of their political views anyway. I like singers, actors and writers for what they sing, their movie roles and what the writers write. I couldn’t care less about what they think about politics, religion or really anything else. There are some singers that have written songs that have made me think about my own perceptions, but I don’t give a rat’s ass about how they vote or which god they believe in. I enjoy Oasis’s music quite a bit, but Liam Gallagher has to be one of the biggest @ssholes to ever walk the earth. He couldn’t influence which toilet paper I buy.

Yeah, only two. But now I’m getting ready to hit the rack, take a couple of muscle relaxers and drink a mudslide. If there are any plusses to being my age, it’s that I take medicine now, not drugs. They’re cheaper than hell too. One whale of a buzz for about 50 cents.

rdw56, I’m a year and change younger than you and back in the late 60′s/early 70′s I think I would have given Keith Richards a run for his money when it came to partying. Now I don’t think I could match the intake of my 79 year old MIL. How times change. I enjoyed our discussion today. Have a good night.

Many of those artists from the 50′s and 60′s were screwed. While many artists today retain control of their music they do license it for sale and as with any product are subject to consumer protection and discrimination laws. I don’t know this as a fact but my understanding is most artists sign generic contracts allowing all comers paying the fee.

Well I had a fine time but not in that league. I went in the navy with two buddies at age 18 realizing the party scene in Philly was too dangerous. IN 1972 one had to be incoherent to get a DUI. I had just enough sense to realize it was time to get out of dodge. Those 3 years served me well. I was also fortunate in that my preference was hashish followed by pot. Some of my more adventurous friends didn’t make it. Until next time.

RDW,
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I know. That is besides the point.
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Sacred,
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Twice I met famous people. Once when I was a student driving a cab in Boston and once, between jobs driving a cab in NYC.
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I met Jerry Seinfeld when he was just starting to become famous late 1991 when I was 20 years (and had no idea who he was – which was fine with him, he was exhausted after the show and very quiet, polite gentleman).
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About five years ago I met Doris Roberts. It was dark and I told her that her voice sounded like Bea Arthur, she asked me if she sounded like Doris Roberts of Everybody Loves Raymond, since that who she was.
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My first words surprised me when I said them “Oh my god”.
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About four seconds later I realized that I knew the character she played, not her.
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It is totally unfair since it was about 100 degrees out that day so it applied to, basically, everybody (including me, I am sure), the first thing I remembered was that she smelled like body odor. But I am sure that it was just that super hot day where everybody stank.
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Once again, a totally polite, pleasant elderly woman no better or worse than anybody else, except for being a skilled actress.
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The last thing I would think of is following any of these people for their politics or their religion or whatever. But, odds are that she is liberal and agrees with at least half of what I think.

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I couldn’t disagree with you more about the concept of either Seriana or Munich being truly political movies.
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As for Seriana, it was written by a former CIA agent. Just like in business classes they used to call a hypothetical good a “widget”, in the CIA when discussing hypothetical Middle Eastern scenarios, the hypothetical country is called Seriana.
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I don’t believe that it pointed specifically one way or another regarding US foreign policy, but rather brought up the complexity of the situations we experience.
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As for Munich…. Man, I loved that move! When a video store went out of business I bought for $6 and I don’t buy DVDs.
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These were assassins, not talking heads (no pun intended) or somebody giving you a lecture. There were shootouts, explosions, a hooker turned killer… It was a smart action film which made Israel come across as flawed in some of their attitudes (which is not to say that you can find any country which does not have some flaws).
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The movie W I found completely pathetic.
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When reading about the real W, I was laughing my ass off when I wasn’t cringing, but, the the movie W barely made me grin and was about hating how bad Bush was as president.
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Also, they could not find even one person who looked like their real-life counterpart.
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But don’t put Munich in that same category. That was a real, edge of your seat thriller. How about the exploding ferris wheel? Come on! That’s not about politics and lecturing.

All I can add is thanks for the fabulous picture of Bruce’s backside. It is one of his anatomical features I so admire.

“IN 1972 one had to be incoherent to get a DUI.”
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Move that to the late 70′s and I hit the jackpot. I got my one and only DUI then. It was the motherload. Out of the 15 things they tested for, I failed 12 of them. It cost me thousands in lawyer fees, fines and classes. No jail time though. I had a good lawyer. The only reason I even got stopped was because of a headlight being out. That was enough to make me quit partying for good. Less than a year after that I had a head-on wreck with another car because of icy roads and luckily the only thing in my blood was blood. My head went through the windshield on the passenger side. I had a skull fracture (explains a lot) and neck injuries.
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OT, but I’m not going to be around for a week or so. A friend called this morning and made me an offer I can’t refuse. He built a family room addition on his house and said I could have all of the leftover wood if I’d help him do the finishing work on the inside. I went over to his house this morning and there’s probably $400 worth of high quality wood left over. It’s enough to do my project of converting my old furance room into a craft room so I jumped on the offer. I start daylights tomorrow so I’m going to help him after work each night until we finish it. He’s out at Lowes now getting the stains and sealers. I’ll head over in an hour or so to start.

That is besides the point.

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No it isn’t. Jackson Browne decided to accept less licensing money in order to control how his music is used. Other musicians take the higher fees and lose the control. They can’t then deny someone access.

Celebrities being libs is a lot like academics being libs. They live largely within a bubble. I love the irony of Universiites like Harvard championing diversity when the faculties are the least diverse places on the planet.

think it’s the right wing who gets all hot and bothered when a huge majority of celebrities endorse liberal causes

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diin’t notice this the 1st time. The huge majority of celebrities stay away from politics. Very few are as active as Sean Penn or Barbara Streisand. Few on the right wing get hot and bothered. I’ve said consistently think their support is counter-productive. Most people find the fact they think they have some business spouting their political opinions to the great unwashed as obnoxious.

George Clooney has frequently noted this and refuses to do campaign appearances for that reason.

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