Is This Really All About Abortion?

This morning Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called the networks together and gave them an update on the negotiations (as I type this Reid is starting another press conference in the Senate). He said the issues have narrowed to one: abortion. Reid said House Speaker John Boehner is pushing a rider that would make Title X into block grants, thus enabling governors to do as they wish with the money. Most conservative governors would immediately defund Planned Parenthood. The group doesn’t use federal money to provide abortions — the federal money goes to mammograms, contraceptives and family planning for mostly poor women. But conservatives have never liked Planned Parenthood, which does, separately, provide abortion services.

Boehner’s office, meanwhile, issued a statement insisting that the riders were not the central hitching point to the negotiations. “While nothing will be decided until everything is decided, the largest issue is still spending cuts,” said Boehner spokesman Michael Steel. “The American people want to cut spending to help the private sector create jobs — and the Democrats that run Washington don’t.”

Reid was asked by CNN’s Brianna Keilar if he’d offered Boehner more money to drop the Title X rider. He said he had, but that Boehner had turned him down. This surprises me as I’ve always been under the impression that Boehner was using the policy riders as leverage for more cuts — that he never really expected to move the needle on abortion, climate change or health care reform. The brouhaha over the riders must be taken with a grain of salt as it behooves Dems to portray Boehner as obsessed with “extreme” riders rather than negotiating in good faith on funding the government. Given that even Michele Bachmann called on Boehner to drop the riders and just pass a “clean” one week extension to give negotiators more time*, I’d be surprised if the only issue at play here is truly Title X.

*Bachmann voiced support for passing a no-rider bill that would insure that military paychecks continue in the event of a government shutdown. Her office made clear Friday that she does not support stripping riders that deal with abortion from the main 2011 continuing resolution bill that is now being negotiated by Boehner, Reid and Barack Obama.

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  • Ivy_B

    So does this mean they have already capitulated on the environmental and health care cuts?

  • nflfoghorn

    The Grand Ole Poobahs, y’mean?

  • allthingsinaname

    Probably, but abortion is the Holy Grail, don’t you know. We can all suffer as long as we can kill our unborn with impunity.

  • americanwithabrain

    Harry should get some of those high-priced cowboy poets to bust some rhymes about it:

    Extremest want 100%
    Liberals don’t want them to make a dent
    In the trillions waiting to be spent
    in 2012 we’ll know where they all went

  • hippooath

    “We can all suffer as long as we can kill our unborn with impunity.”
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    Don’t know what this means
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    “The group doesn’t use federal money to provide abortions — the federal money goes to mammograms, contraceptives and family planning for mostly poor women. But conservatives have never liked Planned Parenthood, which does, separately, provide abortion services.”
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    Reality

  • hippooath

    “in 2012 we’ll know where they all went”.
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    Why wait, we already know – tax cuts – thanks GOP

  • sacredh

    “Given that even Michele Bachmann called on Boehner to drop the riders and just pass a “clean” one week extension to give negotiators more time, I’d be surprised if the only issue at play here is truly Title X.”

    Michele Bachmann is now the voice of reason in the republican party? Isn’t that all we need to know?

  • bobell

    What I’d like to see is the Senate pass the pending DOD appropriations act with nothing attached. That would guarantee that the troops would be paid on schedule, and it would also take a bit of the edge off the shutdown, because all DOD employees, civilians included, would no longer be subject to it. It would also force the Republicans to tip their hand, because at that point any attempt ot add riders to that clean bill would be to the detriment of the military. Even Michele Bachmann seems to understand this.

    So, Harry Reid, your mission is to get the Senate together and pass the DOD appropriations act. Fund the military. Betcha you get a majority of Republican senators to vote for it. Hey, it might even be unanimous. I don’t see how the House could fail to go along, wacky as they may be.

    Or are we really at the point where even sensible things are beyond us?

  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    Boehner says: “”The American people want to cut spending to help the private sector create jobs…”

    Has anyone asked Boehner for an explanation about how this would work? Let’s say the U.S. budget deficit and the entire debt went to zero tomorrow. Why would this make the owner of a hardware store or GE, hire more Americans?

    If Boehner had a plan to cut spending to wipe out corporate and consumer debt, he might have a point. But the existence of government Treasury bill doesn’t stop Microsoft from hiring.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    Is This Really All About Abortion?

    No, it’s about forcing their extremist agenda through the backdoor. They know they lose on a straight-up vote and veto, so they’re blackmailing the country in order to get what they want.

    Pretty simple, actually.

  • bcinaz

    I’m just curious, Does anyone with a journalism job in Washington DC ever ask a Republican (or Moderate Dem) how cutting taxes and spending creates jobs? We’ve had to live with the Bush tax cuts for a decade now, and are experiencing some really bad unemployment. Does John Boehner even know how a job is created? How a decent paycheck supports economic growth? He does seem to know how a Government spending in his district helps him keep his job, however, I have not seen any evidence that these guys have a clue how a real economy works. And no evidence that anyone ever asks them to explain their vision.

  • http://scrimbul.wordpress.com scrimbul

    We did get an explanation for their vision though.
    .
    It’s called Paul Ryan’s ‘courageous’ly stupid budget.
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    Was a good joke prior to that, though.

  • nflfoghorn
  • allthingsinaname

    Planned Parenthood was in the forefront of the Abortion issue back in the 70′s, they have been and remain the mascot of the pro-abortion faction. So yes this is about abortion.
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    The facts remain that the Democratic Party has continually drawn the line in the sand on this issue, and no other.
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    I have seen on these blogs progressives talk about unwanted babies, who would care for them, who’s responsibility, blah, blah, blah, and the GOP, which doesn’t support abortion, argue the same thing when it comes time to do something about the living.
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    Progressive, abort them cuz they are unwanted, GOP, let them die because they are unwanted.
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    Same damn thing in my eye.

  • Ivy_B

    2% of private funds in Planned Parenthood’s budget goes to fund abortions for women who make that choice. The rest of their private funds and all the federal funds go to provide health care information, family planning, pap tests, etc.
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    If not provided by PP, in many cases women would not get that basic level of health care. I should think those who are opposed to abortion rights would stronger favor family planning which will lead to less need for women to have to make that choice.
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    I am opposed to my taxes being used to fund non-public schools, but I’m told to just shut up about that because non-public schools will be funded. Why is funding choice different?.

  • http://onestarman.wordpress.com onestarman

    The Republican Terrorists are holding the Country HOSTAGE so that they can GUT the EPA and SHAKLE Women’s Health – but they pulled a BOehNER Threatening to Shut Down the Government – If REID had any STONES (Which He Doesn’t) he would start offering LESS cuts for EVERY HOUR the Neo-Con_Artists Delay. If HOPE Olde BOehNER doesn’t CRY.

  • charlieromeobravo

    “”The American people want to cut spending to help the private sector create jobs…”"
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    Yeah, I read that and immediately wondered why Boehner thinks that these two things have some sort of direct and immediate relationship. Here what will really happen if the Republicans get their way: government spending is drastically cut and government jobs will be cut. The unemployment rate will go up and they’ll point to Obama and say his economic policies are “destroying America”. They literally want to sacrifice the security of thousands of families to win the next round of elections.

  • m0mentom0ri

    CAPLOCK! and juvenile puns aren’t the best way to make your point, even if it’s a good one.
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    Just sayin’

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “CAPLOCK! and juvenile puns aren’t the best way to make your point, even if it’s a good one.”
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    But I substitute bold italic or both together myself and make at least as many juvenile puns myself.
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    Maybe onestarman might use those instead:
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    http://www.w3schools.com/tags/default.asp

  • allthingsinaname

    Because Ivy, people do see abortion as murder. Funding non public schools, and Funding abortions are not the same; False equivalency ?
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    I understand the services PP provides, I also understand why people maybe opposed to PP doing so. What I do not understand is why we insist that PP is the one to do it. Why not give the money to some other entity? I am sure there are any number of clinics that could provide those health care services, unrelated to abortion.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    This is so moronic
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    First, being pro-life does not mean being against legal contraception. It’s like these Republicans are trying their hardest to be a caricature of the pro-life POV made by a pro-choice person.
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    Being pro-life means that after conception under nearly all circumstances (excluding risk to the mother’s life and most pro-lifers understanding how impossible it would be to give birth to a child conceived during rape or incest) the child should be born under the protection of the law.
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    So, not encouraging contraception as Planed Parenthood’s federal funding pays for would increase the number of abortions.
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    Second, no economist in the United States or elsewhere has ever found private, for profit businesses hiring to have any correlation to the deficit of city, state or federal entities. Furthermore, it has been accepted by the overwhelming majority of PhD Economists and government hiring does cause private, for profit companies to hire.
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    So, while claiming their goal is to decrease unemployment and decrease or end abortions, the right wing is now attempting to enact policies which would increase unemployment and increase the number of abortions.
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    Many right wingers say that they believe that we think that they are evil. In most cases lately, I find it harder to call the right wing evil than just didn’t finish the fourth grade, have no idea what economics nor contraception are stupid.
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    If they stated their goals were to increase unemployment and increase the number of abortions and created these policies to achieve these goals, then I would call them evil.
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    They are not acting anywhere near intelligently enough to be upgraded to evil. They flatter themselves with this claim that we think that they are evil.

  • allthingsinaname

    The Democrats have been offering somewhere around 34 billion in cuts, the last I heard they have now offered about 38 billion if the GOP would drop the PP rider.
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    PP has an annual budget of about 1 Billion; how much the Federal Government contributes to that budget I do not know.
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    Can anybody tell me why we would give up 4 Billion to protect a Billion or less in spending at PP? Would it not make more sense to say we will drop PP if we can spend 4 billion on women’s health issues elsewhere?

  • shepherdwong

    This surprises me as I’ve always been under the impression that Boehner was using the policy riders as leverage for more cuts — that he never really expected to move the needle on abortion…
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    Does it surprise you that he has to pretend to do so to the maximal extent to appease the forced-birth zealots? I’m sure that the Kabuki is super entertaining for valueless Beltway scribes but I would have hoped that a woman might see the story of what the elimination of Planned Parenthood funding might do to many women’s healthcare options or, if all you can grok is the politics, what the Republicans stance against Planned Parenthood should mean for womens’ attitudes towards Republicans.

  • Ivy_B

    Planned Parenthood funding is not about abortion. When that is said, as in the title of this post, it is done to whip up the frenzy.
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    Funding non public schools, and Funding abortions are not the same; It is about the use of tax money (which is NOT, by law) used to fund abortions. See Hyde amendment. You believe abortion is murder; I do not. My question is why are you allowed to claim something that isn’t fact in order to have a worthwhile program defunded and I am not allowed to have my taxes used according to my beliefs.
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    The reason to fund women’s health services via Planned Parenthood is that it is a network already set up and working with a private funding base as well. Why try to set up something new?

  • Ivy_B

    Planned Parenthood Facts: 4M STD tests, 1M screenings for cervical cancer, 830K breast exams every year. No federal $ for abortion.

  • allthingsinaname

    No Ivy,
    It is about abortion, you know it, and I know it. Everyone knows that whatever money is provided to PP by the government frees up money to be used elsewhere. Hyde amendment is nothing more than back door support of abortion.
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    You still have not answered my question of why are the Dems willing to give up 4 billion to protect this PP with a budget of 1 billion.
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    With 2 billion I could set up 821 clinics to do the same thing with out offering abortions. There after I am sure it could operate on the same budget as PP.

  • Ivy_B

    As to the all dollars are fungible argument, I am also opposed to people being killed in war. I’d like my tax dollars removed from funding that as well.
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    The answer to why should the Dems stand on this? You have to have some core principles.
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    It is about abortion, you know it, and I know it.
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    Sorry, allthings, I don’t and I think we don’t have anything else to say on this. We will clearly never agree and don’t seem to be able to see the other point of view.

  • allthingsinaname

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    Planned Parenthood health centers around the country offer you the health care you need. Our caring and knowledgeable staff provide a wide range of services. These services vary by location. They may include

    Abortion
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    PP’s priority as listed.

  • Ivy_B

    Did you note they are in alphabetical order not priority order?
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    “services vary by location” “may include”

  • Ivy_B

    From Wikipedia on funding –

    Planned Parenthood receives about a third of its money in government grants and contracts ($349.6 million in the 2008 fiscal year). A coalition of national and local pro-life groups have lobbied the federal government to stop funding Planned Parenthood.[34] Federal legislators have also proposed laws that would ban Planned Parenthood from receiving federal money for any purpose.[35] By law, Planned Parenthood cannot allocate any federal funding for abortions.[34] Some abortion opponents, like Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana, have argued that allocating money to Planned Parenthood for the provision of other medical services “frees up” funds for abortion.[35][36]

    Planned Parenthood is also funded by private donors, with a membership base of over 700,000 active donors whose contributions account for approximately one quarter of the organization’s revenue.[33] Large donors also contribute a substantial portion of the organization’s budget; donors have included the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Buffett Foundation, Ford Foundation, Ted Turner Foundation, the Cullmans and others.[37][38][39][40] The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s contributions to the organization have been specifically marked to avoid funding abortions.[37] Some, such as the Buffett Foundation, have specifically marked funds for abortion services.[37] Pro-life groups[who?] have advocated the boycott of donors to Planned Parenthood.[41][42]

  • sacredh

    “Did you note they are in alphabetical order not priority order?”
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    It wouldn’t matter if abortion was listed last. The wingnuts see the word “abortion” and that’s all she wrote. The foaming at the mouth starts, the “Praise Jesus’s” start to fly and they’re off and running. You might as well say “Free pussy” when the ship comes in. That’s all they hear.

  • allthingsinaname

    The wingnuts” see the word “abortion” and that’s all she wrote.”

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    Yes the left and the right, By the way I am liberal.

    Ivy please no Hyde Amendment crap, those 8oo clinics or so would not exists it it were not for Federal Funds. What would that do for abortion services? Reduce them you don’t suppose? You simply can not separate the money.

  • allthingsinaname

    Yes Ivy,
    and it is this issue, and this issue mainly why the Democrats with all our good intentions will never be able to maintain our support with the independents.

  • sacredh

    “Yes the left and the right, By the way I am liberal.”
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    Point taken. I know as many pro-life democrats as I do pro-life republicans. Neither side is monolithic. Elected representatives are a differnet ball of wax though. I also don’t think it would matter if 100% of the abortion money was from donations. Many people are completely against any program or organization that contains even one aspect that they don’t like. I’m friends with one really conservative pro-life guy that doesn’t mind Planned Parenthood though. He thinks that it’s mostly minorities and the poor that have abortions and he doesn’t care for either. He’s just adamantly pro-life where well-to-do whites are concerned.

  • allthingsinaname

    Well to do Republicans also have abortions. I do not think abortions are going away, so give them PP and start something else.
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    I think as Democrats we give up too much for supporting this cause. No one is going to turn back the clock on abortions for the health of the woman or rape. The big issue is abortions on demand. Most are uneasy about it, and I am one of them.

  • gwbc

    Is this about abortion? I guess Jay is questioning the veracity of Senators Feinstein, Boxer, Klocubar, etc who say it is

  • paulejb

    For Democrats, it is always about abortion. It is the highest sacrament in their religion. Nothing is more sacred for adherents of the Church of the Almighty Government.

  • allthingsinaname

    It is my belief that you really don’t give $hit anyway; so why are you posting?

  • paulejb

    allthings…@13.1,
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    Like many of your other beliefs this one too is misguided. What is the matter? You seem down today.

  • paulejb

    Democrats will go to the barriers for abortion funding but not one dime for military pay. Strange priorities on the left.

  • paulejb

    41% of pregnancies in NYC end in abortion. 60% of black pregnancies in NYC are ended by abortion.
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    Is this what Democrats are fighting to defend?

  • kbanginmotown

    Good catch, sacred!

  • apr2563

    Daddy knows best.
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    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/apr/06/idaho-house-passes-abortion-bill/
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    Senate Bill 1165 bans abortion after 20 weeks on grounds of fetal pain. It includes no exceptions for rape, incest, severe fetal abnormality or the mental or psychological health of the mother. Only when the pregnancy threatens the mother’s life or physical health could a post-20-week abortion be performed.
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    The Idaho bill’s House sponsor, state Rep. Brent Crane, R-Nampa, told legislators that the “hand of the Almighty” was at work. “His ways are higher than our ways,” Crane said. “He has the ability to take difficult, tragic, horrific circumstances and then turn them into wonderful examples.”

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    Someday they will take us to the day and tenet of the Catholic church. No abortion even if the event of the death of the mother. Then they will make sure birth control is unavailable.
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    It wasn’t that long ago that a woman had to have permission from a board of phycisians and her husband to get a tubal ligation. Of course, men had no restrictions for obtaining a vasectomy.
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    I had a friend with 11 children. At the birth of the 11th she asked for a tubal ligation and was told she needed her husband’s written permission. He was a commercial fisherman who was at sea. No permission, no ligation.
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    Here is a “man” I want deciding a woman’s fate.
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  • kbanginmotown

    Rich white girls going to PP? I think not.
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    I believe it’s called a D&C at the Family Doctor…

  • paulejb

    apr2563@16,
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    I don’t mean to be facetious, apr, but why was there an urgency for tubal ligation if her husband was at sea?

  • Rachel

    Is Planned Parenthood an independently profitable organization? Does anyone know?

  • apr2563

    I said she was in the hospital giving birth to her 11th child. It was the appropriate time to have the procedure done. In case you don’t understand the birth procedure, she was already prone!
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    It wasn’t urgency, it was convenience.
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    As it turned out, her husband wouldn’t give his consent. But good news, she divorced him. She got her GED, commuted 90 miles to Evergreen College, got her masters degree (while working at a crab cannery and raising children) went on to teach Head Start and counsel abused women.
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    I never doubt the strength of women in a male dominated society.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    It would be nice if you learned how to use links, but if you did, you would learn – the rest of the story.
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    The fact that 41% of all pregnancies in New York City end in abortion is not a secret and it’s not anything new.

    In fact, things have been getting better over the past decade.

    Back in 1998, 12 years ago, the number was actually 46%.

    Planned Parenthood is also not happy about the numbers, but pushes education.

    “We believe in comprehensive sex education, which by the way does include abstinence, but abstinence by itself has been proven to be ineffective,”

    Archbishop Dolan reiterated the pro-abstinence, pro-life, anti-contraceptive position of the church.

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    http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=7883827
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    Is more abortion due abstinence education by itself what Republicans are fighting to defend?

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