Boehner’s Choice

John Boehner has a decision to make. And in some ways it’s akin to choosing between his children. By midnight tonight the government will shut down unless an agreement can be reached between the Speaker and President Obama. Whatever Boehner decides will have long-reaching implications for his Speakership.

Ideally, Boehner would have preferred extending government funding by another week but Obama threatened to veto such a bill and the Democratically-controlled Senate declared it a “non-starter,” as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid put it. Boehner can, and has, made the case that the onus to prevent a shutdown was on Democrats – that he gave them a bipartisan option that they rejected (15 House Democrats voted for the measure). Sure, the extension came with a steep price tag, but negotiators had already agreed to the $12 billion in cuts. The bill would’ve also funded the military for the rest of the year, a move most in Congress would readily endorse with so many troops in harm’s way. As of last night 51 senators, including a handful of Democrats, had co-sponsored similar legislation. Dick Durbin, the No. 2 Senate Democrat, put Boehner’s bill on the Senate schedule late last night, but it’s unlikely the extension will come up for a vote unless a broader agreement is reached.

Reid made it clear yesterday that he’d reached the end of short-term extensions.  There have been seven since Democrats last year failed to pass a 2011 budget. After the midterm elections, each extension came with increasingly painful cuts. Democrats, Reid argued, have already agreed to more cuts than the $34 billion first proposed in the House. Senate Dems upped their offer yesterday to $34.5 billion – more than half of the $61 billion House Republicans ultimately demanded — including $3 billion in Pentagon cuts approved by Defense Secretary Robert Gates. “They’re not taking yes for an answer on these spending cuts,” says a Senate Democratic aide. “Now they’re digging in their heels on these extreme riders. If they shut down the government over this, it will be viewed as overreach.”

The sticking point is not really about funding the government any more. The original bill passed by the House came with hundreds of controversial riders attached to it. Boehner is pushing for riders in three specific areas: on abortion, particularly efforts to defund Planned Parenthood (though it should be noted that the group does not use federal money to fund abortions); efforts to defund the Environmental Protections Agency’s greenhouse gas, mountaintop mining and Chesapeake Bay regulations; and amendments to block implementation of health care reform. Democrats have drawn the line at any riders that wouldn’t garner enough votes to pass the Senate as a standalone bill, which rules out almost all of the dozen riders Boehner is seeking. Efforts to strengthen the Hyde amendment, which bars federal funding for abortions, failed in the Senate during the health care debate. Republican attempts to repeal health care reform failed the Senate early this year and a GOP bid to defund the EPA’s climate change regulations flopped in the Upper Chamber just this week. “Voters will not understand why Congress couldn’t come to an agreement,” says Mark McKinnon, a former advisor to President George W. Bush. “Democrats will exploit that for political advantage. The Republicans have gotten more than half of what they asked for. Best strategy would be to declare victory.”

Reid, Boehner and Obama met last night and their staffs spent a second bleary-eyed all-nighter in a row working on a compromise. Obama postponed his planned trip to Indiana and another meeting was set for this morning. “We’re going to work through the night to attempt to resolve the remaining issues and the remaining issues are extremely narrow,” Reid said on the floor of the Senate last night. “I’m not really confident, but I’m very, very hopeful.” Meanwhile, the federal government began preparations for the potential furlough of nearly a million employees in the event of a shut down.

With a temporary solution effectively blocked, Boehner now has a choice before him: allow the government to shut down and become a hero to his freshmen and Tea Party conservatives (“Shut it down,” chanted Rep. Mike Pence, an Indiana Republican, on the House floor yesterday), or compromise with the White House and become enemy No. 1 to much of his own conference. Boehner’s brinksmanship with Democrats certainly wrangled more cuts than many expected could be had, but he’s bound to lose dozens from his right flank on any deal less than the $61 billion the House passed. He lost 54 of his impatient flock on the last extension even with significant cuts attached to it. Allowing a shut down might make his conference easier to manage, but the risk that the Party could be blamed for overreach is great. Compromising would make governing harder for Boehner at a time, as he noted yesterday, when there are bigger issues looming like the debt ceiling and deficit reduction. There is no great option for the Speaker.

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  • apostasyusa

    Oh well America…

    You asked for this. You voted in these idiots who don’t know a thing about government except that “it’s bad”. You liked it when the Supreme Court told corporations that they could have more power than the voter with infinite donations for Republican puppets who care only about deregulating and lowering taxes. You voted for the tea party freaks who promised you that government is the enemy. You voted for people who don’t want the job, but would rather have it over someone who actually cares!!

    It’s your fault America. Land of the stupid and home of the blames. You let the angriest and out of touch Republicans of our country take hold of the House of Representatives in a failed pusillanimous attempt to take the entire Congress.

    You want someone to blame? Look at you pathetic self in the mirror. Look at yourself while you ponder the rights you took away from gay people just to garner some votes out of the bigots. Peer into your selfish eyes while you consider all the religious people who think life begins at conception but ends at birth and their anger that was exploited simply to get people who hate government in government.

    Republicans leaders aren’t to blame; they told you strait to your face that they had sold their souls to the highest bidder. Republicans voters are to blame, every last one of you, from the fake “fiscal conservatives” all the way down to the angry people hating “social conservatives”. You are all playing the fool and one day you will all be forgotten.

    “Some will be called reds and Communists merely because they believe in economic justice and the brotherhood of man. But we shall overcome.” –MLK

  • deconstructiva

    Jay, thanks for the update. Hope you get some sleep tonight. Presuming all pol’s act out of greed and self-preservation (public service is way down the list), which of Boehner’s choice’s benefits outweigh risks? I’d look at the legacy R vs. TP personal rivalries. I’m guessing B. thinks no one in ultra-red north Cincy can beat him next year, so how secure is his speakership? Is Cantor a Boehner ally, frenemy, or openly wants his seat? Is McCarthy allied with Boehner or Cantor? Ryan? Bachmann? Who within the R’s and TP’s is Boehner’s real enemy? Things like this would help out and you’d know more than us, Jay, so thanks ahead of time for your extra thoughts.

  • chupkar

    I feel so sorry for him. Not.

  • Cliff

    It’s not just the Republican voters, it’s the population of America as a whole.
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    We’re too sedated by TV and the Super Bowl and iPhones and Facebook.
    And I include myself in this. I try to stay aware, but apart from yelling on the internet and voting and signing a few petitions, me and my friends are simply not as engaged as we should be.
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    (But I have to say that the voters in Florida are getting what they deserve. You elect a felon, you’re going to get robbed. Surprise!)

  • Cliff

    John Boehner has a decision to make.
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    To cry or not to cry.
    Oh, who am I kidding, there’s no choice. He’s going to cry. The Speaker of the House is a great big orange blubbering manbaby prostitute.
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    And in some ways it’s akin to choosing between his children.
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    This is such a great big steaming pile of dogsh*t I can’t even believe it.
    You should feel ashamed for writing that.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    The Speaker of the House is a great big orange blubbering manbaby prostitute.
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    That’s gold, Cliff

  • apr2563

    When journalists state the Rep talking point that Dems failed to pass a budget in 2011, would it be too much for them to let us know what might have contributed to this failure? Filibuster mania.

  • http://demztaters.wordpress.com demztaters

    Republicans spent the last two years encouraging the most reactionary instincts of their base, thinking they’d ride all that anger and energy back into power. Well it worked, kind of. What they didn’t count on was the consequence of owing their power to a group conditioned to expect zero compromise and immediate results. The phrase “hoisted by their own petard” comes to mind and frankly, it couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch.

  • Cliff

    I started adding descriptors and I couldn’t stop.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Shakespeare had the same habit.

    OSWALD: What dost thou know me for?
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    KENT: A knave; a rascal; an eater of broken meats; a
    base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited,
    hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a
    lily-livered, action-taking knave, a whoreson,
    glass-gazing, super-serviceable finical rogue;
    one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a
    bawd, in way of good service, and art nothing but
    the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pandar,
    and the son and heir of a mongrel b!tch: one whom I
    will beat into clamorous whining, if thou deniest
    the least syllable of thy addition.
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    King Lear

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    So vote.

    Put it on the floor. Let’s see who cares about reality, and who pursues fantasy.

  • Cliff

    I’m flattered by the comparison, but Shakespeare also had the habit of writing f–king incredible plays that resonate and inspire 500 years later.
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    Which, you know, is on my to-do list but it’s not really a habit yet.
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    Also, I wasn’t familiar with that quote but it’s such a fantastic litany of hate that I’ll have to remember it.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Allowing a shut down might make his conference easier to manage”
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    I’m not sure you understand how bullies think. Give in and the bullies get more empowered not complacent.

  • http://nhorsley.wordpress.com nhorsley

    After all the dust is settled we the people will still end up paying to butcher unwanted babies. That’s not a prophesy, merely an forecast that grows out of a lifetime of watching the way Americans choose their priorities. Invisible non-people are the bargaining chips today like the 3/5 people slaves were before the War Between The States.

  • http://gabrielfromamos.wordpress.com gabrielfromamos

    A CEO, a tea party member, and a union worker are all sitting at a table when a plate with a dozen cookies arrives. Before anyone else can make a move, the CEO reaches out to rake in eleven of the cookies. When the other two look at him in surprise, the CEO locks eyes with the tea party member. “You better watch him,” the executive says with a nod toward the union worker. “He wants a piece of your cookie.”

  • jigueland

    Brilliant analysis of where we are and how we got to this point – these four paragraphs need to be branded on the backside of each and every Republican voter who put these fools in power.

    So, Mr + Mrs Clueless – you get what you vote for. Don’t you wish there was a better return policy for this purchase than having to wait 2 years?

  • hippooath

    This is not about the fiscal state; what’s left are riders about social conservatism. They don’t give a sh@t about the budget – they’re not there to fix the economy. They’re there to fix the cultural and moral war they think exist. What’s next? Repeal the repeal of DADT?

  • http://greyfoxxden.wordpress.com greyfoxxden

    hippooath:

    Repeal of DADT would be a good start. The military is no place for social experiments. The government needs to get out to the business of funding NPR, Planned Parenthood and any other liberal institution. Last I checked the federal government does not fund FoxNews, and they shouldn’t.

    This whole budget mess is the fault of Harry and Nancy. A Democrat in the White House, Democrat House and Democrat Senate and no budget? This is an unprecedented lack of leadership.

  • http://eideard.wordpress.com eideard

    Boehner’s choice?

    Act like a thief and a bigot – or behave like an unrepentant thief and a bigot.

  • http://greyfoxxden.wordpress.com greyfoxxden

    Well, I looked at myself in the mirror and said thanks.

    You’re pathetic diatribe posted herein is nothing more than arrogance bathed in stupidity. This country was not founded on “economic justice,” it was founded on economic liberty.

    If you don’t know the difference (and I doubt you do) then you can’t be helped.

  • http://mentalmunchies.wordpress.com robschwing

    Wow….talk about a liberal bias!!! Let’s see…last time I checked the MAJORITY of voters put the Republicans in charge of the House. One of two things MUST be true. Either Democrats are apathetic and lazy and did not care who was the party in power in the House or the balance of power in the house accurately reflects the “will of the electorate” ………hmmm either way you bunch of “left wing loonies” lost control. I suggest you do us a favor and get your temper tantrum over with– hold your breath till you pass out! That way we don’t have to listen to you anymore!

    Ever think those of us who got an education, paid our bills, spent responsibly, worked hard, saved and sacrificed don’t like having our wealth re-distributed by you who “think you know better” and believe that “no one should have anything more than anyone else”!

  • http://humptyfrumpty.wordpress.com humptyfrumpty

    Coming up at 8, the Lifetime Original movie of the weak……

  • hippooath

    Case in point

  • hippooath

    I see, because in the constitution it’s written that the majority house shall pass 100 percent of all bills and legislation and that the minority party in the house, including the senate and the presidency should step aside.
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    No?
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    I wonder why the republicans didn’t all vote for 100% of all dems bills if what you’re saying is true.
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    Ideologues and their facepalm logic.

  • koabd

    This country was not founded on “economic justice,” it was founded on economic liberty.
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    If by “economic liberty,” you mean the assumption that moneyed classes are entitled to the cheapest possible labor (re: slaves) to maximize profits while complaining about any government interference in their making of money (re: Boston Tea Party through the Civil War through the Gilded Age to today’s push for deregulation), then I would agree.
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    But you’d have to agree that this country has never been static in its views on these topics. That’s why slavery was ended post Civil War. It’s why Teddy Roosevelt ushered in the progressive era in response to the corporate excesses of the “economic liberty” that you so champion. It’s the reason why the EPA was created in the 1970s. So, it’s not completely unreasonable for those of us who read history and understand teh consequences of deregulated industry (see Triangle Shirtwaist Fire for an example) to rail against it.

  • http://freedome1776.wordpress.com freedome1775

    The problem with quotes from such great leaders like MLK … is you. You twist a positive person’s speech into a platform for yours to sound plausible. Sure you sound educated, but that only tells people that you’ve been indoctrinated into the brainwashed effects of a liberal university. Congratulations, you’ve successfully become a “sheeple”. You’re exactly what the gov’t wants in a citizen. Doesn’t think for themselves outside of a liberal ideology. Because hey, the gov’t wants to take those rights away. I am sure the former USSR citizens felt the same way when their freedom of speech was taken away. Blame everything on the right – well because there is no blame to be shared by the left.

    Do yourself and the thousands of minds that you’ve poisoned with your lack of any real knowledge of this budget crisis and re-focus on this:

    Your precious liberals forgot to pass a budget for not 1 …. but 2 whole years while they controlled both houses of Congress. Amazing how you could overlook that little piece of information.

    I encourage you to research it, but then again I doubt you will solely on the basis that if it doesn’t come from MSNBC or some other liberal media outlet, then it can’t be valid.

    You want the “Brotherhood of Man”? …. migrate to Cuba, Man. In this land, we are the Home of the Brave and don’t need your Communist Manifesto gibberish.

    We are all that much more dumber for having read or listened to your lies and misinformation.

  • http://boyamidumb.wordpress.com boyamidumb

    What a show! The whole world is watching AND LAUGHING.

    We get the elected officials we deserve. Now we pay the price of being irresponsible citizens. Democracy/a Republic requires the participation of its citizens to be successful.

    It’s time to draft some real leaders – the folks who really don’t want the job but are capable of doing it.

  • http://boyamidumb.wordpress.com boyamidumb

    Let’s put a label on everyone! Repulicrats, Democrans, TeePartee, that way NO ONE is personally and individually responsible for anything at all – including you and me. And of course YOU are one of THEM!

  • sacredh

    “The Speaker of the House is a great big orange blubbering manbaby prostitute.”
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    I cried when I read that. Not sorrowful, get out the hanky, I need a drink tears…but tears of laughter. Thanks Cliff.

  • outsider2011

    So, you’re saing education is a bad thing – and it would make life easier – for conservatives – if everyone remained dumb and uninformed?
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    That’s an incredible amount of honesty from the right.

  • outsider2011

    Yeah – you owe him a thanks hippo, for backing up your point.

  • sacredh

    “John Boehner has a decision to make.”

    A choice as in: Burbon, Jack Daniels, Crown Royal, Seagram 7 or Scotch or a choice as in which skin color to shoot for next?

  • hippooath

    “The problem with quotes from such great leaders like MLK … is you. You twist a positive person’s speech into a platform for yours to sound plausible. Sure you sound educated, but that only tells people that you’ve been indoctrinated into the brainwashed effects of a liberal university. Congratulations, you’ve successfully become a “sheeple”. You’re exactly what the gov’t wants in a citizen. Doesn’t think for themselves outside of a liberal ideology. Because hey, the gov’t wants to take those rights away. I am sure the former USSR citizens felt the same way when their freedom of speech was taken away. Blame everything on the right – well because there is no blame to be shared by the left.”
    .
    This is a terrific rant. Terrific as in a example of people who lace a argument with anachronistic notions and still get them wrong.
    .
    Just so you know, the citizens didn’t have any free speech rights before Russia become Soviet, when the ‘rightwing’ Czar kept everyone in a feudal state. And the communist party just continued that state. There was never a moment in Russias history where they had any rights whatsoever.
    “Do yourself and the thousands of minds that you’ve poisoned with your lack of any real knowledge of this budget crisis and re-focus on this:
    Your precious liberals forgot to pass a budget for not 1 …. but 2 whole years while they controlled both houses of Congress. Amazing how you could overlook that little piece of information.
    I encourage you to research it, but then again I doubt you will solely on the basis that if it doesn’t come from MSNBC or some other liberal media outlet, then it can’t be valid.
    You want the “Brotherhood of Man”? …. migrate to Cuba, Man. In this land, we are the Home of the Brave and don’t need your Communist Manifesto gibberish.
    We are all that much more dumber for having read or listened to your lies and misinformation.”
    .
    So what you claim is that 100 percent of all bills and budgets should pass? So if the dems would have proposed a budget in 2010 should the then minority pass it without objection? If not why?

  • hippooath

    Or facepalm or golf clap – whatever best illustrates the ‘DOH’

  • http://countingcrows9949.wordpress.com countingcrows9949

    Well said. Very well said.

  • http://austintx28.wordpress.com mattnaustin

    Brilliant! I got a real kick out of this…

  • hippooath

    “It’s time to draft some real leaders – the folks who really don’t want the job but are capable of doing it.”
    .
    Not going to happen; our supreme court have already said that unlimited money can buy our political system and they are further cementing that. Right now in the supreme court is a case where Arizona has a law where if one candidate have tons of his own money the state provides some resources for the person running against to be able to campaign. The idea is that money should decide the candidate, their ideas should. But the supreme court (if it’s not already ruled on) have taken the stand (the 5 conservative anyways) that this is not right.
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    In other words; we’re going to continue to get candidates that have the money to run, but never the leaders with the great ideas. You will never see big money support a candidate that want to run on ideas that are good for all citizens. What big money want is more corporate welfare and in extension more power concentrated to the very clique who already have most of the resources and power.
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    In other words roll back progress a couple of hundred of years where money, nobility and riches determines access and power.

  • chohkmah

    Sounds like at some point during your “edumucation,” you slept through the part where the House isn’t the end-all, be-all of legislation.
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    It’s all right, sweetheart, I’ll hold your hand as we discuss these complicated things. You see, the government is divided into 3 separate, and *co-equal* branches… and in the legislative branch, further divided into 2 separate and *co-equal* Houses of Congress. That way – as was the intention of the Framers – no one wingnut person or sect can unilaterally sieze control and carry out their own narrow, self-serving (or rather, self-deluding) agenda without broad, long-term support of the greater whole of the populace.
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    You’ve got one of those Houses, but the deck remains stacked against you.

  • http://austintx28.wordpress.com mattnaustin

    Your not talking about the “social experiment” that’s existed forever are you. I mean you act like there have not been gays in the military for decades. This is just stupidity, the way I see it, we are all people, and to discriminate is to discriminate period!

  • http://austintx28.wordpress.com mattnaustin

    I put myself through college, work everyday, pay my taxes, save money, and all that, I’m not asking for a medal, and I think it is immoral and reprehensible to not care for the weak. I’m not talking about those who can work and choose not to, but old people, and those who are truly in need, or to give more benefits to those who need it the least at the expense of those who need it the most.

  • http://blablabla50.wordpress.com ioutta

    Ok . . so this started out ok. The spineless Dems were true to form and started to give away the ranch, which i get. It comes under the “why can’t we all just get along” correlary of the government workers handbook. and the “reasonable” Reps came down from the ridiculous “lets clean up the mess Bush and our brothers created in one budget” position. This deal could almost happen and the american people could finally get something that atleast looks like effective government.

    The Tea people are out there spouting off trying to sound independent when in reality they are simply the reactionary wing of the “Big Business Party”

    So what happened? Sorry folks but this one is on the Republicans this time. They talk about compromise and triming the budget . . . which all parties have made amazing progress at . . BUT they feel the need to try and cram “right to life” and “big business anti-healthcare” idealogy down our throats!!

    if the government closes down it’s squarely on the shouldrs of the Republicans Period! I am an independent with no great love for either side. This time it’s clearly the Republicans fault.

  • http://todaysays.wordpress.com todaysays

    Boehner…. How did you get Speaker of the House?..The way you look at our President like you want his job…. Guess what, I dont think you can have it, We already have a President who is Qualified. Go back from where you came…. Never heard of you before “The Big Gavel” event and the crying on National TV.

    Can we Impeach Boehner…. He is waisting our time.

  • http://scrimbul.wordpress.com scrimbul

    Wow….talk about a liberal bias!!! FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER Let’s see…last time I checked the FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER MAJORITY of voters put the Republicans FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER in charge of the House. One of two things MUST be FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER true. Either Democrats are apathetic and FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER lazy and did not care who was the party in power in the House or the balance of power in FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER the house accurately reflects the “will of the electorate” ………hmmm FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER either way you bunch of “left wing loonies” lost FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER control. I suggest you do us a FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER favor and get your temper tantrum over with– hold your FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER breath till you pass out! That way we don’t have toFILIBUSTER FILIBUSTER listen to you anymore!
    .
    Did I make my point yet as to why a budget wasn’t passed in 2009 or 2010?

  • http://todaysays.wordpress.com todaysays

    Not to mention money!

  • hippooath

    It doesn’t really matter what you call yourself as long as you stand for something. What they call themselves politically doesn’t matter; but what they do politically does. There is a line we have to draw somewhere and that is what we stand for. It would be political tyranny AND anarchy if one part out of 3 entities can and should pass everything 100%..
    .
    Here’s the contrast; Dems have agreed on the cuts but the tea partiers and the GOP want it all including riders that should belong and be debated in separate bills. GOP have always b!tched about stuffing separate issues in bills like these while doing it themselves. At some point someone has to stand for something. Is everything we do and stand for always going to be held hostage by individuals that have a very narrow interest in mind?
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    Sorry – but unless each party should always sign off on 100% of what anyone suggest then this current line of attack of responsibility belongs squarely on people who insist of lace this budget with social conservative items.
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    Lets call it for what it is; ideologues. This is and never was about the deficit. And unless someone stand for something somewhere, regardless what they call themselves, we’re proposing anarchy. Where nothing matters and everyone gets to do whatever they want. To give up those checks and balances makes us a banana republic and puts all the power in one group because they say so.
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    Again – I invite anyone to tell me that 100 percent of what one party should always be the norm. If they don’t support this then negotiate, do the right thing, debate the social issues in separate bills and move on.

  • 53_3

    FTW!

  • 53_3

    greyfoxden didn’t really just beat the patooties out of himself, did he?

  • http://blablabla50.wordpress.com ioutta

    Oh and one more thing . . .

    Can we please all stop refering to Social Security and Medicare as “entitlements” That really pisses me off! i have been paying into these “government insurance programs” all my life. And that just what they are! not some handout that the government gives us.

    What if one of the big insurance companies just decided that they were only going to pay half the fae value of all of their life insurance policies???

    Whenever it was necessary, SS taxes were raised to help offset the cost of the program. It happened many times in my life and i was ok with it because i knew it was a good program that i would one day rely on. SS and medicare must NEVER be privatized and must be strengthened and expenaded. Even if it means raising the taxes on the younger workers. Big Business needs to stop paying themselves and start creating jobs that raise EVERYONE to a higher standard . . then folks won’t care if there is an increase in a program that helps us all

  • 53_3

    Boehner has a choice:
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    To tan or not to tan.
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    Looks like it’s ‘to tan’ because he gets paid whether the government shuts down or not.
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    Atfer all, he’s an essential employee…

  • http://therhemix.wordpress.com therhemix

    Amazing how services that provide actual fair and balanced news, high journalistic standards, and important medical services to women, especially those of low-income and under served communities, makes water safe to drink, and air clean to breath are considered liberal institutions.

    How is the budget mess Harry and Nancy’s fault? Sure the Dems were in charge, but the unprecedented use of filibusters by the Republicans kept them from getting a lot of what they wanted to do to get done…. which is clean up the mess of the administration before them.

    Besides… if the republicans really cared about completely defunding or getting rid of “liberal institutions”, preventing gay marriage, and outlawing abortions, Republicans could of done so in the six years when THEY controlled ALL branches of government when Bush was president. Barak, Harry, and Nancy only had 2 years together, and again, were met with record filibusters (and Republicans would filibuster they’re own bills and/or amended bills just because Obama agreed with them. That’s just ridiculous). Republicans will never do so because they won’t have a wedge issue to run on on elections years.

    Oh and guess what… Fox News isn’t funded by the government, but they are by the Saudis!

  • chupkar

    No, a majority of people (barely in many or most cases) that got off their duffs and voted did this. I do blame my fellow libs who sat at home. This would not be going on if people didn’t decide all they have to do is go vote for president.

  • http://therhemix.wordpress.com therhemix

    Yes… it is the liberals who are redistributing wealth by making hard workers pay for tax cuts for the rich, and subsidies for the billionaire profitable companies such Exxon, GE, Bank of America, Verizon, etc. etc. etc.

    If you want to know what the majority of Americans want, check out the poll by NBC/Wall Street Journal that Republican politicians choose to ignore. I specifically say politicians because the average Republican citizen in the polls agreed with the “left-wing loonies” when it came to policies and tax fairness.

  • logicalnoise

    what is so experiemental about gays serving openingly? Oh the open part. Gays have served in the military ever since well ever. You’re a fool to think DADT will affect anything ever.

  • hippooath

    This ‘social experiment’ obviously came from after they walked soldiers into a nuclear blast zone and then gave them pot to smoke afterwards. One ‘hey man, sexy bottoms’ later and the gays in the military was ‘born’. DADT needed to be implemented to do so.

  • hippooath

    “No, a majority of people (barely in many or most cases) that got off their duffs and voted did this. I do blame my fellow libs who sat at home. This would not be going on if people didn’t decide all they have to do is go vote for president.”
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    Maybe it’s all the liberals fault but it doesn’t remove the fact that the opposition wouldn’t have filibustered the budget anyways. Do we think this wouldn’t have been a battle at this stage with or without a minority or majority dem house?
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    It’s not like we have the previous 2 years of GOP saying no to everything.

  • fumbles1

    I have a theory. Both sides have already agreed to a budget. Not verbally, but they have a non-verbal understanding of where the line is going to be drawn at the end of the day.
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    What they are all doing now is showing off for their base.
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    What is really disappointing to me is that this type of lying is necessary in the US today. If you want to know why, just read some of the comments above.

  • http://palmer1619.wordpress.com palmer1619

    I don’t like these representatives. They clearly don’t like me, I’m a woman. But I don’t care about that. I’m beyond child bearing years. But I have a daughter and two grand daughters. I fail to see why these representatives don’t like them. My grand daughters have never done anything that would cause anyone to dislike them. Now I know they want my grand daughters to produce children; how are they going to do that without some basic health care? I will be advising my grand daughters to stay the heck away from Republicans. They are much too susceptible to bruised egos.

  • imhhandyman

    Like Carol Lewis wrote.. about the T party the Mad hatter and Chesire cat and all ghee could the Right bent Republicans extreamist get closer To the Looking glass?? only thing needed is the headsman they are already trying his ax on the lives of the people (health care for those that paid the debt to society the former soldiers factory workers shopkeepers that had suppilys for the T party in thier youth now that theyre trying to control the nation with a budget cut that will do more death than planned parent hood ever did with a scalpel.
    The Mad hatter and the chesire cat have the vote? Well when they do then they can in NO way call themselves right to life candiates
    The T party Budget cutters are showing a right to Death Ideal with the stroke of a budget pen a euthenasia by default no meds no life and a slow drain to poorer existance for those of us on the edge of life. Thats The Republican Budget path as currently tried..

    It seems strange they’re gonna get paid even if the Army doenst?? as if they were all risking thier lives on the line second for second with them.. NO when they take pay and forbid those that risk life from a current income then they are no more than a me first additude as thieves.

    Go back to David Capra’s “its a wonderful Life” and check out the king t party type its Mr Potter.. the FatCat Corpterate leader that is how the T party Right is.. check his morals against the actions of the Corrupt big Banker.
    Or look at Ebineezer Scrooge before he woke up and saw the truth on Man kind and its values vs the value of his pocket book. that is the battle even today in congress.

  • sacredh

    “I have a theory.”
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    Ann Expert also had a theory. Dinosaurs were small at one end, big in the middle and smaller at the other end. That is my theory.
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    I apologize for that comment fumbles1. Some others on here will appreciate it though.

  • http://fc203.wordpress.com doug186

    I see this whole incident is a smoke screen. These “budget cuts” are paltry at best and will do little to fix the deficit. The real solution lies in firing all of the useless and redundant government employees. If this furlough were to go down, not inviting 40% of the gov. employees back to work would be the ideal solution. This would balance the budget. Anybody who has been to the DMV or a courthouse knows how useless most government employees are. However, I might be forgetting that government jobs are just another form of welfare.

  • http://disclaimer1.wordpress.com disclaimer1

    Basically, information is dumbed down to thumbnail the issues to their most simplistic terms for an incredibly ignorant audience. In depth reporting has been replaced by talking head comentary. I heard Wolf Blitzer repeating that very same talking point, but also omitting the complicity of Rebublican obstruction.

  • 53_3

    Yup. And some dinosaurs are really tweensy at both ends, yet still big in the middle.
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    Did you know unlike most dinosaur fossils, sauropod fossils are rarely found with their heads attached?

  • http://disclaimer1.wordpress.com disclaimer1

    Heard it weeks ago, but still the best, tell it like it is, political joke to go around in a while. Worth repeating often.

  • sacredh

    “I see this whole incident is a smoke screen. These “budget cuts” are paltry at best and will do little to fix the deficit. The real solution lies in firing all of the useless and redundant government employees. If this furlough were to go down, not inviting 40% of the gov. employees back to work would be the ideal solution. This would balance the budget.”
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    It wouldn’t come anywhere close. The next time you need help from the government, PLEASE say that loudly while you’re waiting in line to get assisstance. We don’t like wondering which people we’re working to help are loud mouthed ignorant @ssholes. Make it easier for us.

  • 53_3

    …and how fast will that knock down the 15.0T budget deficit, 12.0 T of which was caused by the GOP.
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    I think we’d save more by cutting the GOP by 40%.
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    Also, I’d save 40% on my own taxes if we got rid of every governmental rural subsidy.
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    What could be better? Hecks, I’d prosper and you’d starve, but the good news is that at least I’d prosper!

  • 53_3

    Hey! doug186, look at it this way:
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    At least we’d solve that really nasty old socialistic income redistribution problem!
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    You’d be free to teach your kids that storks bring the babies and that the Earth is flat while my kids would be in orbit above you, and wonder:
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    Hey! Lookit that brown spot in the middle of the country!
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    You mean all that brown between the coasts? That’s “Real America”! Didn’t you know, little bro?

  • http://angryandlazy.wordpress.com yeahright2525

    I’ve been reading these political new stories for years now and reading the comments at the end. It is always the same old crap, Dems and Repubs bashing each other. Ohhhh I’m scared – who can write the most clever comment to make the other person look stupid. Always blaming the OTHER party for the problems we are in. PEOPLE WAKE UP!!! These politicians just want power. Do you think they really want what is best for us? We can’t even agree on what we think IS best for us. This is not going to change until a major overhaul of our government system is done. Who is going to stand up and demand something drastic needs to be done???? Wait, sorry I forgot I should be talking to people who actually care. None of you actually care, do you?

  • kabong30

    I love how it’s Boehner’s choice and not Reid’s or Obama’s when the house already passed their bill and it’s Reid and Obama that are holding up the whole thing.

  • http://fc203.wordpress.com doug186

    I imagine you’re posting this from “work”. Point proven. I’m not trying to personally attack you, but I can’t help but fit into the mold of a “loud mouthed ignorant @sshole”. I’m not on welfare, so aside from the poorly paved roads in Connecticut and the two hour wait at the DMV, I believe my government assistance is quite limited. The only useful government “assistance” I can think of is the MetroNorth railroad, but I am in a very high tax bracket and buy tickets for it anyway. How does some peon working a menial desk job, doing nothing accomplish that?

  • 53_3

    Your job, and your pay would not last long were it not for those damned rural subsidies…
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    Oh, FYI, you are personally attacking him, and any other public employee.
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    And maybe now that you mentioned your Big Fat Wallet, open the damned thing up and help this country get on it’s feet.
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    I already pay as much as I can afford, why should I carry your ignorant arse on my back…

  • 53_3

    policy is not budget. Comprende?
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    budget is budget….

  • 53_3

    Those “poorly paved roads” are just a sample, ruggles…

  • http://john581.wordpress.com john581

    The Tea party and Republican Strategy (which is wrong):
    They say you need to cut somewhere.

    This general statement sounds very convincing when you don’t know the facts of the budget.

    The facts are: the cuts of the republicans are only in a fraction of the total 12% discretionary spending. This number is smaller for some programs. Actual portions range from less of a percent to a few percent for the specific programs.

    The objective and intelligent way is to cut smartly and consider many variables. Cutting education will destroy the US by not allowing people to educate and think. The bad thing is that this is what the Tea Party wants….so that they can continue convincing people who are not educated and people who do not think critically.

    Going back to smart cut discussions, we need to stop the Bush cuts for the rich. If everyone needs to be part of this budget issue, as the republicans themselves, talk about it, we need to have sacrifices from everyone. Right now the poor and middle class is being asked to sacrifice, while the proposal of Paul Ryan even cuts taxes even more for the rich.

    We have the solution in our hands…simply be more reasonable and have everyone be part of the responsibility of the budget. A few intelligent adjustments will fix the budget problem without putting all the burden on the poor and middle class.

    The middle class is the one who drives the economy of the country.

  • sacredh

    “I imagine you’re posting this from “work”.”
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    Nope. I leave for work in a couple of hours. Most of my time at work is spent outside. It doesn’t matter if it’s 100 degrees or a windchill of over 70 below zero. I’ve worked outside when it was both. The only time I spend at the desk is when I have to type data into the computer (maybe 30 minutes a day). I’ve never been on welfare either. In 36 years I’ve only had 4 months on unemployment too. Our computers are monitored at work and I can only go to approved website that’s job related.
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    I hope this doesn’t affect your delusion that all government employees sit in a heated or air-conditioned office looking at porn on the internet or working crossword puzzles. The next time I work 24 hours straight stripping a lock when it’s cold and raining so that we save as much equipment as possible when it floods, I’ll try to think of how lazy I am and how cushy my job is. It might help.

  • 53_3

    Hey! Rich & Stupid! Yeah, you doug186!
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    Try doing what the rest of us people out in the real world do:
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    Go to the DMV on an off-peak day!
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    Do you need an edumication on everything? Do I need to hold your hand too?

  • http://doulosbusinessconsulting.wordpress.com michaelkeating

    These programs were always ponzi schemes brought to you by Democrats trying to buy your vote. I’m sorry you were fooled.

    When President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Social Security into law in 1935, it was a lifeline to poor seniors and an easy promise to keep – the retirement age was 65 while life expectancy was 63. Nobody was ever supposed to drain the system for 20 years like happens today. The average SS recipient gets paid much more than they ever paid into the system. Do the math and you will find this to be true.

  • http://www.pavlack.com CPav

    Actually, it wasn’t the Republicans filibustering the Democrats’ legislation that caused the problem, it was their THREATENING to filibuster it. IMO, if the Ds had simply put some of these things to a vote and made the Rs show their obstructionism, we might — MIGHT — be in a better place at this point.

  • hippooath

    “Did you know unlike most dinosaur fossils, sauropod fossils are rarely found with their heads attached?”
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    Muslimoradicalsaurus did it.

  • fumbles1

    I believe all politician’s go into public service because they want to help people, to service there country, and/or to address the countries problems.
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    The problem is that they first have to get elected. In order to do that they have to raise lots of money. Which means pandering to special interest groups, corporations, etc.
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    So, why do you vote for them? Why not refuse to vote for anyone that runs an ad? You know the ad costs money, and you know where a large majority of that money comes from.

  • http://scrimbul.wordpress.com scrimbul

    You forgot 53, policy + budget = illegal
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    In other words, once the Senate passes the budget, the Supreme Court should review it for the riders and then order jail time for the TP.

  • sacredh

    “the Supreme Court should review it for the riders and then order jail time for the TP.”
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    Bad idea. Keep the death penalty on the table.

  • billkarwin

    Rep. John Boehner tried to rely on support from a group whose most strongly-held opinion is that they hate politicians. He suddenly got a sinking feeling when he realized, “I’m a politician.”

  • http://rgam357.wordpress.com rgam357

    Have you even looked at why they are refusing. It is the non-budgetary Riders that Boener and the boy’s won’t let go of. Not the budget.

    Stand in there for the rights Mr. Pres and Mr. Reid, You have already comprimised enough in this debacle. It’s time for the greedy agenda driven to come to terms with the facts that they need to concede the social agenda for another day and pass the budget as a budget.

    Please don’t try it again in the pending 2012 Budget, If your way is so right and truthful shouldn’t your social agenda be able to stand on it’s own? I will gaurentee that if the Corperate owned and regulated news didn’t have other camoflauge, your social agendas would fall flat, and you would be exposed as the self serving traitors that you are.( that last stastement goes to all politicians regardless of affilliation)

    This is just one of the reasons we citizans need to demand Term Limitations, Line item Vetoes, and the repeal of the Supreme Cts. Ruling giving citizanship to . at our expensecorperations thereby allowing the uncontrolled ability to purchase their govt.

  • http://threeballs.wordpress.com vicmoe

    I just hate when the three branches of goverment (congress, the senate and the presidency) is governed by one party, like when the Democrats were the majority of all three. It reminded me of the dictatorships of the world such as: The Ghadafis’, the Mubaraks’ the Somozas’ and the rest of them. Although they (the Democrats) were willing to work on bi-partisan bases to build the equilibrium needed to keep the ship moving, the minority then in congress, decided to become “The G.NO.P.” or the Grand NO Party. Even with Obama moving to the center right, they still stepped on his toes. As far as I’m concern, both parties should be outlawed and start all over again. Its a shame what these to un american institutions are doing to the land and its people.

  • bobleeswagger308

    When the Tea Party cranked up in my little Texas county there were very few people who attended. I attended my first get-together July 4, 2009 and there might have been 25-TP people in attendance with about a dozen protesters and people like me showing up for awhile to check it out. We’ve come a long way since then, baby. Last Saturday I attended a function, about my fifth event, and there was over two hundred in attendance with about four teachers protesting cuts across the street. Our group includes mainly whites, with a good number of Mexican men and women, and many Blacks from our local Black Baptist Church. We had seven US Army (5M, 2F) members and they all looked under age 30. The group, however, is mostly over 50, but more and more younger people have been showing up. If anyone thought the TP was going away after November 2010, you were wrong and 2012 will be a massacre for anyone in politics not demanding and practicing smaller government.

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