Obama’s Gitmo Climbdown Continues

Liberals have long-bemoaned Obama’s transformation from would-be demolisher of Bush’s “War On Terror” architecture to its most effective buttress. Faced with a concerted Republican onslaught on the issue from the earliest days of his presidency, Obama chose to husband his political capital for higher priorities like health care reform and the mid-term elections and never tried to rally the country to his ideals, the liberals argue. If only he’d tried, they say, he could have succeeded in rolling back the Bush era expansion of presidential power and bolstered his own political power in the process, becoming more Lyndon Johnson than Jimmy Carter. Some have even suggested that Obama never intended to follow through on his campaign pledge to close Gitmo and reform terrorism detention and trial policies and that he just said he would to rally his base in the 2008 election.

In fact, Obama tried and failed to implement his campaign promises on the issue and was beaten back soundly by the GOP, independents and occasionally Democrats. After making an unrealistic pledge to close Guantanamo Bay and suspend military commissions two of his first acts in office, Obama faced a broad-based, targeted attack led by Mitch McConnell in the Senate, who identified terrorism policy, along with spending, as a key Obama vulnerability. At first Obama tried to stick with those in the administration who wanted to deliver reform. But independent voters fled the idea of closing Gitmo and centrists inside and outside the administration began backing away. Obama tried to hold the line at Bush’s previously stated positions in a speech at the National Archives in May 2009. But Hill Republicans, sensing a winner, continued to push the policy to the right.

The latest example of the administration’s failed efforts to jawbone the rightward shift in the country on this issue came with the announcement today that the administration would send Khalid Sheikh Mohammad and four 9/11 co-conspirators to trial at military commissions at Guantanamo Bay. Late in 2009, Attorney General Eric Holder had announced that KSM would stand trial in a civilian court in Manhattan. Holder made a run at publicly defending the position at hearings on the Hill, but soon every New York politician, including the state’s two Democratic Senators, opposed it, and Holder and the administration were forced to abandon the plan.

True, Obama let Holder carry the bag and didn’t exactly back him up. But it’s never been clear where the liberal faith in Obama’s ability to turn the country on these issues comes from. For now, the continuing climbdown reaffirms the fact that Congress is in the driver’s seat on detention issues: they’ve passed bills blocking the creation of an alternate detention facility in Illinois and the transfer of high-value detainees to the U.S. for civilian trial. Which leaves Obama trying to slow the process and bolster civilian trials where he can. Though he hasn’t exhibited much enthusiasm for doing that either.

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  • freeinpa

    “In fact, Obama tried and failed to implement his campaign promises on the issue and was beaten back soundly by the GOP, independents and occasionally Democrats”
    .
    The result of electing an empty suit whose only experience was voting present. Hilary Clinton’s ad about 3am phone calls were spot on.
    .
    Of course the media gave Obama a free ride then and will now provide cover for him now

  • apr2563

    The wusses who exploited the NIMBY fears and the Bush torture policy made sure that Gitmo would not close and military trials would pervail.

  • square1

    Freeper,

    Your attacks on Obama (and the media) are so reflexive that they don’t even make sense. Is your point that a more experienced President would have been successful in fending off GOP opposition to closing Gitmo? A rather odd argument, I must say.

    It is also odd to quote the media pointing out Obama’s failure while simultaneously accusing the media of giving Obama a “free pass”.

  • lepidusxvi

    You’re playing Republican mad-libs again. That sentence doesn’t even make sense in reference to the topic of this article.
    .
    I don’t think the most drawn out, slowest process in recent Federal Government history can ever be quantified as a middle of the night crisis (which is what Clinton was on about).
    .
    Also funny to see a Republican using a Democrat AGREEING with their position as a reason to attack him. You should be happy he’s come to the right on this issue, the fact that you attack him once again proves you’re not looking at a set of facts, you’re just cheering your team.

  • paulejb

    Reality once again takes a bite out of the naifs populating the Obama administration.
    .
    The Muslim world goes berserk over just the burning of a Koran by some no name preacher in Florida. Imagine what they would do if Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was being put on trial in downtown Manhattan..
    .
    I imagine that we should be grateful that cooler heads prevailed in this case. But it does make all the anti-Bush rhetoric seem pretty damn silly now.

  • freeinpa

    It is comical for you to talk about reflexive. Recession after 9/11, its Bush’s fault. More cavities, it’s Bush’s fault. And on and on…
    .
    The argument isn’t a more experienced President would have shut Gitmo bu tone with any ounce of real world sense would have known it could not be done and the terrorists could not be tried in civilian courts.

    “the media of giving Obama a “free pass”.

    During the campaign it is absolutely true. To quote that great conservative (ha) Tom Brokaw to Charlie Rose, weeks before the election “we know nothing about him”.

    Yes we did he was an empty suit except now he can’t vote present.
    .

  • michaelfury

    “‘I was responsible for the 9/11 operation, from A to Z. I was the operational director for Sheikh Usama [Osama] bin Laden for the organising, planning, follow-up and execution of the 9/11 operation,’ he allegedly confesses through his personal representative.”

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/from-a-to-z/

  • michaelfury

    “He allegedly also confesses to being a member of the al-Qaida council and the ‘military operational commander for all foreign operations’. These include surveying the assassination of former American presidents, including Jimmy Carter, and planning to bomb suspension bridges in New York”

    Why didn’t they tell us KSM confessed to the George Washington Bridge plot?

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/movers-and-shakers/

  • m0mentom0ri

    Are you saying the preacher shouldn’t have burnt the book AND we shouldn’t put KSM on trial because it incites violence in the Muslim world?
    .
    or
    .
    Are you saying it’s ok to burn the Koran AND put KSM on trial because we won’t bow to threats of violence from extremists?

  • m0mentom0ri

    “the terrorists could not be tried in civilian courts”
    .
    Why not?

  • nflfoghorn

    RE 1.1: He/they never let(s) reasoning get in the way of a neocon argument. That’s why we love RustFreep so much!

  • michaelfury

    “In all, he has allegedly confessed to being responsible for 31 separate attacks or planned attacks, including ones on Heathrow airport, Canary Wharf and Big Ben in London.”

    ——————————————

    Well there you go. That explains this too:

    “A New Zealander working for Reuters in London says two colleagues witnessed the unconfirmed shooting by police of two apparent suicide bombers outside the HSBC tower at Canary Wharf in London.

    The New Zealander, who did not want to be named, said the killing of the two men wearing bombs happened at 10.30am on Thursday (London time).

    Following the shooting, the 8000 workers in the 44-storey tower were told to stay away from windows and remain in the building for at least six hours, the New Zealand man said.

    He was not prepared to give the names of his two English colleagues, who he said witnessed the shooting from a building across the road from the tower.”

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/memory-holes-in-the-floor/

  • nflfoghorn

    He chose (b), Alex.

  • gysgt213

    “I imagine that we should be grateful that cooler heads prevailed in this case.”
    .
    What will they do paul that they won’t do under some other preceived slight? Why should we let murders and criminals dictate our justice system and belief in the rule of law? They are going to take lives anyway. The Koran burning is just another in a long line of excuses.

  • freeinpa

    “The wusses who exploited the NIMBY fears and the Bush torture policy made sure that Gitmo would not close and military trials would pervail”
    .
    You mean the lily-livered liberals?

  • gysgt213

    I waiting for the answer too.

  • square1

    Stop projecting, freeper.
    .
    Most of the liberals who post here are not strong partisans. I myself criticize Obama all the time.
    .
    It is only you, paulie, and Rusty who reflexively blame Obama for everything.
    .
    Also, are you really so stupid that you don’t know that the civilian courts have successfully tried and convicted hundreds of accused terrorists without incident or problem? The civilian courts are tried-and-true forums for prosecuting terrorists. I am so sick of Republican bedwetters who think that teh bogeyman will get them if KSM is tried in a federal court.

  • nflfoghorn

    “Lily-livered liberals” were the ones that exposed not-in-my-back-yard fears??? I never heard that. NO “LLL” ever said we couldn’t try ‘em elsewhere.
    .
    I know you enjoy MSU but you gotta stop and think for once. I know it’s hard, but you can do it.

  • Matt

    So much for the Constitution and the rule of law here in America. “military trials” are something used in dictatorships, not democracies. And whatever happened to closing Gitmo?
    http://www.sunstateactivist.org

  • square1

    He is clearly saying that only suckers waste an opportunity to bash a political opponent, consistency be damned!

  • fhmadvocat

    Paul,

    You can’t compare the burning of the Koran to a civilian trial for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Muslims went berzerk because the idiot in Florida burned the sacred text. KSM is not popular with most of the Muslim world, because Al Quaida has killed many more Muslims than non-Muslims.

    Fear is what kept the trials from coming to civilian courts. The ironic thing is that civilian courts have done a good job of convicting terrorists and the military courts keep having their convictions overturned.

    As far as the anti-Bush rhetoric. The policies of the Bush administration were the greatest recruitment tool for Al Quaida. Only they own foolishness and their attack on other Muslims have limited their popularity.

    Has anyone in Congress actually read the Patriot Act? It is the biggest grab of federal power in history, yet we don’t hear a peep for the Tea Party. Maybe because so many in the Tea Party caucus in Congress have never actually read the thing. It was simply the Bush administration saying, “Trust us, we won’t abuse our power.” Since when did Tea Party types actually trust the government? Oh yea, when the Republicans are in charge, Conservatives have a great trust in the federal government. Note, the same does not happen to Liberals when Democrats are in charge.

  • paulejb

    momentomori@4.1,
    .
    I am saying that the preachers actions were designed to attract attention and gain Rev Jones his 15 minutes of fame. The Reverend had no concerns for the ramifications of his actions. Some day he will have to explain that to the One he purports to revere
    .
    Similarly, the Obama administration announced the civil trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in lower Manhattan. It was an obvious ploy to placate the rabid anti-war, anti-Bush left. The trial was meant to be a show trial of the Bush administration policies..
    .
    Two bad ideas — The first was carried out with the subsequent loss of life and fortunately we are to be spared the second.
    .
    Any other questions, momemntmori?

  • paulejb

    gysgt213@4.3,
    .
    The Muslim reaction to the Koran burning was all out of proportion. Just as was their reaction to the Mohammed cartoons. I do not advocate catering to their lunacy but a bad idea is a bad idea.
    .
    Rev Jones is an attention seeker who like Paris Hilton or Lindsay Lohan never considers the consequences of their actions. He is complicit with the savages who slaughtered innocents.
    .
    Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is long past due on his date to meet Allah. A firing squad and an unmarked grave should be his not to distant fate. He has already confessed and a trial is just a formality.

  • paulejb

    square1@4.4,
    .
    No, I believe the exact quote was “Never let a good crisis go to waste.”
    .
    Words of wisdom from the current mayor of Chicago.

  • paulejb

    fhmadvocat@4.5,
    .
    Muslims can go berserk over the least of provocations as was proved by the case of the Mohammed cartoons. If the mad clerics wanted to drum up unrest over the fate of Khalid Sheihk Mohammed they would just denounce it at Friday services.
    .
    I thought that the greatest recruitment tool for Al-Qaeda was the Gitmo detention facility. Did that slip you mind?
    .
    The Patriot Act for the most part applied rules which were in place to deal with organized crime to the terrorist menace. If it was good enough for the mob goombas it is certainly good enough for the Al-Qaeda boys.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Paul’s entire logic about Muslims objecting to a trial depends on his blithe assumptions that equate Muslims with terrorists. I’ve got news. If you burn a Koran, you’ve insulted Islam. If you try a terrorist, you’ve strengthened it.

    This simple fact is lost in a haze of bigotry.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    “I criticize Obama too” seems to be the latest mantra of the far left.
    .
    Gitmo is the child of the lamestream media. Nobody really gives a sh!t about the prisoners, their rights, wellbeing or how long they stay in there. Really they don’t, not even the “compassionate” liberals. Spare us your fake ass concern about human rights bla blah blah. And the torture thing, get over it. NOBODY CARES!
    .
    I don’t care if gitmo stays open forever, or at least until the last prisoner dies and rots, and I’m willing to bet that that’s the attitude of the majority.

  • paulejb

    Paul Dirks@4.9,
    .
    Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims. And that, my friend, is the dilemma.

  • ohiolibb

    I don’t care if gitmo stays open forever,
    -
    Well, you also consider premptive mass murder to be a foreign policy, so please forgive me if I mistake you for something I wiped off my shoes.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims.

    Unless they are Irish Catholic or American White Supremacists or just plain old generic nutjobs………

    There is no dilemma whatsoever. Islam is a religion. Terrorism is a crime. One enjoys the protections of the Constitution and the other is subject to prosecution.
    What could be simpler?

  • shepherdwong

    But it’s never been clear where the liberal faith in Obama’s ability to turn the country on these issues comes from.
    .
    You’re misinformed. Civil liberties liberals – they of little faith – such as Glenn Greenwald, warned from the beginning that the real danger was that once these powers were usurped by the executive, they would never be relinquished by any successor. They were, as always (and as always unfortunately), prescient.
    .
    For us mere mortals, our disappointment isn’t born from any faith that Obama would live up to all of his promises – that ship has sailed, to China – we simply hate it when one of the few remaining remarkable-in-a-good-way things about our country is so debased.

  • liberalmeltdown

    4.8&4.9 Paul and Paul. PD is a one trick pony. He’s never met a Republican that isn’t a bigot or racist. That’s his thing.

  • liberalmeltdown

    And speaking of ponies…that sure was a great (actually one of the many) dog and pony show that our newly elected president put on: Closing Gitmo.
    .
    Just a reminder from the urban dictionary
    .
    dog and pony show: elaborately staged activity, performance, presentation, or event designed to sway or convince people (from a derisive term for a small circus)
    .
    Did you guys enjoy the show? Want some cotton candy?

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Actually, I’ve met thousands of Republicans who aren’t racist. Just not here……….

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Heck Even GWB knew the difference between a Muslim and a terrorist. His fans OTOH…….

  • paulejb

    Paul Dirks@4.11,
    .
    So, in your estimation Irish Catholics and American White Supremacists are as dangerous as Islamic jihadists? Which is odd since the jihadists are worldwide while Irish Catholics and American White Supremacists are more limited in scope.
    .
    I think that you have been watching too many Hollywood movies.

  • paulejb

    Paul Dirks@11.1,
    .
    Whew! For a minute there, I thought you were going to say that some of your best friends were Republicans but you didn’t want them to marry your daughter.

  • liberalmeltdown

    PD, you don’t give terrorists the same rights as American citizens. One of the many things that defines terrorism is that they are cowards that hide in civilian clothes. That makes them blend in with innocent civilians, which is of course why they don’t wear a uniform. They are using civilians as cover. Therefore, they certainly don’t deserve special rights. You might say that they are subject to the Geneva Convention. In fact, I do.
    .
    Using the term “Muslim” in a blog when referring to terrorists does not mean that the writer believes that all Muslims are terrorists. Stop getting your panties in a wad.
    .
    Your haze of seeing bigotry under every Muslim comment, blinds you to the fact that the vast majority of terrorists and the current threat of terrorism comes from the Muslim world, or Islam.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Edit: You might say that they are NOT subject to the Geneva Convention. In fact, I don’t believe that they are under the Geneva Convention.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Since GWB isn’t one of the thousands of Republicans you know, that means he’s a bigoted racist. According to you EVEN Bush knew the difference between a Muslim and a terrorist. Well shucks if that redneck sh@t kicker from Texas EVEN knows the difference…
    .
    Your qualifying word of EVEN gives you away PD.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Since GWB isn’t one of the thousands of Republicans you know, that means he’s a bigoted racist

    That’s quite a pretzel you’ve built for yourself there. Late night inspiration?

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  • http://reflectionephemeral.wordpress.com reflectionephemeral

    Respectfully, Mr. Calabresi, this kind of “which was is the CW arrow pointing today!” tone & framing of this article is inappropriate for an important legal topic like this.
    -
    Are our detentions at Guantanamo legal, by our standards & world standards? Do our military & other counterterrorism experts believe that our detentions there harm or help our cause?
    -
    “Strident objection gains political win” really isn’t one of the 25 most important things about this story that we should worry about.

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  • rdw56

    Irish Catholics and American White Supremacists are more limited in scope.

    ************************************************

    This is a rather silly attempt at moral equivalence. The left has been trying to raise the profile of white supremacists but it’s just not possible. They don’t have any credible examples. Tim McVeigh wasn’t a supremacist He a loner
    not affiliated with any group. Davis Koresh was a religious nut. The IRA gave up violence almost two decades ago and it was limited toward liberating Northern Ireland from the Protestants in control and British govt. Islam is at war with everyone.

    The good news is this theory has no support outside the small group calling themselves liberal. It’s all about Islamic terrorism and no other form.

  • rdw56

    But it does make all the anti-Bush rhetoric seem pretty damn silly now.

    ********************************************

    What is amazing is just how decisive a rebuke it was. There was zero support outside the radical left. Bloomberg and Schumer would not support trials in NYC.

    Think about how history will report on this as regards Bush and Obama. Bush was 100% correct. Obama was 100% wrong. He wasn’t just wrong he was utterly clueless. It will also be part of the record of his eloquence and ability to persuade. You can’t name a single issue where Obama has used the bully pulpit to move public opinion his way. There are dozens where he’s failed.

  • rdw56

    the vast majority of terrorist are muslims. A very large number of muslims support terror. The borders of Islam are bloody. Therefore the world is at war against radical islam AND their supporters.

  • bobleeswagger308

    It took the jerk 3-months to give his theatre General the troops requested, but it took him less than a week to suck NATO’s junk to bomb someone we have no business bombing. As much as I disliked Bush his final term, this mutt from chicago couldn’t carry Bush’s jock strap. Get him out of here.

  • bobleeswagger308

    This guy has not gone to the right on anything! He won’t close gitmo because he can’t. No state wants to pay the freight for try7ing and holding the terrorist in their state, so in Gitmo they will stay.

  • rdw56

    It’s a triumph of common sense over liberalism. It’s a complete and total rebuke for Obama and an endorsement for GWBs wise decisions. At this point in time virtually every single foreign policy decision made by Bush and atttacked by Obama is a humiliation for Obama. Historians will record Obama reversed virtually every Senate position he held and campaign promise made on national security and defense. There isn’t another example of so total a repudiation in American History. Further, any suggestions Obama is an eloquent communicator have also been demolished. Gitmo was a subject of importance and passion for the left. Neither Obama nor Holder were able to move the needle even in inch their way.

  • bobleeswagger308

    The best way to give these MUSLIM TERRORISTS justice is to execute them. They don’t need a trial, they don’t need anything but beheading, wrapped in pigskin, and shipped backed to wherever they craweled out from under their rock. Kill them and lets get back to the business of throwing the pig out of the WH. For any libbies don’t like that, tough. You request that they be housed with you and you support them. If you’re not willing to do that, then shut up.

  • rdw56

    Why nott?

    *************************

    Since we’ve never tried POWs in civilian court before in 200+ years the relevant question is why?

    There is simply no reason to do so and many reason not to do so. We have a perfectly acceptable military judicial system which if good enough for our bravest and brightest has to be good enough for terrorists. There is also the significant additional expense and increased security risks. Estimates were it would cost $200M to try KSM. Is that a good way to spend $2 let along $200M?

    On top of all that is the circus factor. No good can come of giving KSM a media perch for others to make a martyr of.

    What is so stunning here is the totality of Obama’s defeat. This goes well past him and is a sharp rebuke to liberalism. There was/is absolutely no support for trying terrorists in the USA. Americans by a 4-1 margin have told global opinion to cram it up their arses. There could hardly be a move vivid rejection of ‘the global community and an affirmation of American Exceptionalism. We don’t consult with the global community. We’re Americans. We lead. They follow. .

  • rdw56

    bob. love the swagger but you need to turn it down a notch. I’m all for giving the terrorist what they deserve but we agreed some time ago everyone gets a trial. In this case it’s what they got at Nuremberg, and what we give our soldiers, a military trial.

    There is something to be said for following the rules. I think watching Saddam get his trial and then hung was quite powerful. It’s good to see someone who at one time seen to be so powerful stripped down as a loser. My favorite image of the war was Saddam getting his teeth checked as if he were a cow. He had more than a year of sitting in his cell aware of his son’s fate and what was to come for him.

  • rdw56

    Even GWB knew the difference between a Muslim and a terrorist.

    ********************************************

    Paul, how do you think GWBs feels about all this? He’s got to be savoring a laugh doesn’t he? GWB pointed out quite correctly the MSM won’t be writing his history. Contemporaries never do. They try but never succeed. In this case the irony has to be so delicious. It’s not 3 years into Obama’s term and he has fully capitulated on every single national security policy disagreement he had with Bush. Moreover this isn’t 1965 with the MSM deciding the narrative. We all know right now in real time this is a stunning capitulation and humiliation for Obama and total victory for Bush.

    I love your snide remark, ‘even GWB knew….When Historians repeat his famous remark “I love being misunderestimated” they could use you as exhibit A for liberal hubris. He destroyed you in 4 elections and he’s the dope. Obama reversed every single national security position to agree with Bush and Bush is the dumb one.

    You can at lest see how the liberal historian will be tormented? Their hands are tied. If they accurately report events they can’t portray Obama as savvy. If they don’t record the facts they’ll be fired and humiliated. Search engines will expose them before the book hits the shelf and they can make a dime.

  • rdw56

    The best way to give these MUSLIM TERRORISTS justice is to execute them.

    ********************************

    Again, you can’t do that without a trial. But be heartened. Dr. David Petraeus has rewritten all of the rules for war and he’s not following Powell or Casey he’s following Patton. “The idea isn’t to die for your country but to make the other SOB die for his”, David is lethal. He is not a fan of prisoners or avoiding contact. His is a hunt and kill guy. He is the point of the sword. The success of the surge wasn’t in convincing al Qaeda and other insurgents to turn pacifist. The success was in killing them. The local population could not be confident #1 the USA was serious and #2 Al Qaeda would not come back unless they saw dead bodies.

    Now that’s not to suggest our soldiers did anything improper. One of the really cool aspects of WWII and the greatest generation is they didn’t take many prisoners. One of the interesting stories of Dday is the german slaughter of captured allied soldiers when they made their retreat. The Germans decided they could not take the prisoners with them and if they let them go they would rejoin the fight. So they murdered them. Word traveled quickly and Germans were accorded the same respect. Surrender wasn’t an option. When david’s troops meet the enemy they’re not looking for a surrender either.

    Even Obama has embraced drones which as we know has zero to do with surrender. They are for killing.

  • bobleeswagger308

    Well now RDW, I can think of around 3000 Muslims, Christians, whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, all predominantly American, but with many countries represented who were executed without a hearing, without a trial, and whose greatest sin was to be in the wrong place. These dogs gave up their rights for a trial as far as I’m concerned and given the chance, I know what needs to be done. You don’t win animals like these over by playing fair, you just get rid of them publicly with great fanfare. You get rid of them and you humiliate those with the same bent and you continue to kill them until THEY change, or you run out of dogs to kill.

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