Obama Administration: GOP Cuts Would Kill 70,000 Kids

Sarah just tweeted:
‘But I thought the GOP removed the deathpanels?’
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It’s aweful for sure, but how about the administration also mentions what happens to AMERICAN kids and adults?
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Seriously. How about all the issues that will hit single mothers, people who depend on a somewhat balanced broadcast etc?
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When will this administration fight for us, here now…workers?

Adam, in addition to overseas effects of R cuts, whither proposed WIC cuts and sim. domestic ones, too? R budget cuts at home – providing any go thru if there’s a shutdown – aren’t exactly pain-free, more like “let ‘em eat cake” at its most sympathetic.
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…and care to set up betting pool with Pickert, Klein, other NYC teammates to see who’s first / how long it takes for our RW trolls to start mocking family programs (both overseas and at home) and left / center commenters writing about such?

Consistently, without fail, we cut items that don’t amount to a hill of beans deficit-wise and preserve gluttony.
Farm subsidies to grow tobacco – what we’re desperately trying to persuade folks to stop consuming?
Corn subsidies? ‘Cause Iowans need our tax dollars to grow it
Defense spending – ‘Cause it makes the congressman/senator look good?
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Nobody in Congress is serious about reducing the deficit. Not one Republican. Probably not one Democrat either. It’s all cutting, no common-sense tax increases. Thanks, guys. For nothin’.

New Headline –
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TIME: Palin Reference Will Kill 70,000 Kittens

Yes, indeed. Democrats fear that GOP budget cuts will lead to this…
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You cut $61 billion out of $3700 billion and anything might happen.

a) That’s crock of you know what.
b) The same tired old play from the liberal leftist playbook.
c) We don’t like them anyway and they don’t like us.
d) American kids come first and they will benefit far more from freedom and liberty than from a bloated centrally planned ogvt aka Socialist cesspool.
e) WE are BROKE!! There is no more money to spend.

The regime wants everyone to be dependent on the govt, not working. They will steal the money they need from the rich.

God what a post title. New lows for TIME.com.
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Next up: “Willie Nelson cries for more marijuana”

Let’s cut Rajiv Shah’s pay first. He appears to be pretty damn ineffectual.
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Also, if the government hadn’t banned DDT there would be little problem with malaria.

We can’t be BROKE…
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There’s wars to fight, weapons systems to build, and oil companies to enrich. And a Wall Street to support.
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Oh, forgot… we’ve got money for those.

The aliens already have LA. What will they take next???

What democrats fear is that while we pursue cutting small programs that won’t balance the budget but that will hurt people on the brink, the rest of the country will sink economically because the burn rate is greater. All we hear from GOP is to punish the moral stuff, but heaven forbid we actually balance the budget.
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you and your ideologue brethren illustrate that all the time. Freeinpa told me that cutting NPR was a good start, as if those millions means squat when we’re losing billions that we borrow from China.
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So, as we’ve stated over and over – GOP is not serious about balancing the budget. Enjoy your phyrric victory when the Democratic party folds and you get your cuts – at some point you can’t blame the democrats anymore for being fiscally paralyzed. it’s not like most Americans haven’t noticed just how hypocritically impotent that argument is anyways.

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Wisconsin – budget issues? Apparently so important that they had to strip out all the budget balancing measures to pass a union busting one that won’t do anything about it and Walker even tried to weasel that one through against the judges order to stop.
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But anyways – you can use your clever referenses to movies and such as if the issue is really the relative few that might be hurt by the budget cuts while you ignore the sinking ship that will hurt all of us. But then you’re not about all of us, only your tribe.

That poll doesn’t say “non-military foreign aid” it says “foreign aid.” The public thinks that includes things such as aiding the Libyan civilians and arming the Egyptian government. So that 25% of the budget figure isn’t far off from reality and that’s what people are talking about when they say “cut this before you cut my Social Security.”

Yeah, we’ll just ignore all the little side-effects of DDT use. Let’s only deal with the problem at hand.
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Not like they’re OUR kids anyway…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT#Acute_toxicity

“Malaria control programs”???!!!!

“70,000 kids dying”???!!!

Virulent, militant, hardline, tree-hugging, red-eyed, frothing at the mouth, hysterical, America-hating, leftist extremists like Rajiv Shah, the entire Obamao adminstration and the people at Time magazine have killed TENS OF MILLIONS (TENS OF MILLIONS!!!) of people through malaria with their ban of DDT, you freakin’, dumb@ss morons!

Oh yeah, they also stopped using DDT because the mosquitos were building up a resistance to it.
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In other words, it was BOTH harmful to humans and otherf life AND it wasn’t doing as good of a job as it had been before.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT

Banned in 1972.
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If “ignorance is bliss”, you have got to be one of the happiest MF’ers on the planet.

Ooo, da RWN contingent is touchy about left leaning accusations of “death panels”, are dey? Poor widdle RNW contingent.

Like you give a sh!t. Religious conservatives have killed millions more with their insane obsession against people having protected sex.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/sep/11/bad-science-pope-anti-condom

Have we seen Willie Nelson’s birth certificate yet? I’m not sure why Willie Nelson wouldn’t want to show his long form birth certificate. Unless he has something to hide maybe?
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You should look into this, birther.

Yes that’s what evil Republicans do: They go around killing children. Hide them in the basement.
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The Democrats are killing millions by encouraging abortion as a birth control method.
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How’s that safe sex working? How many people have died from Aids and venereal disease from “Safe sex”?

ricardo4max@5.1,
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My guess is Vegas. Then what happens to the Cowboy Poetry Festival?

Of course, instead of being a sponsored lie pushed by right-wingers, we can actually point to mortality rates before and after these programs were stood up, can’t we?
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And they know it’s probably true, and that what’s getting the wingnut circle-jerk squad so upset…I mean, it’s not as if the GOP or Tea Party actually cares about children; they just hate being publicly exposed when that particular rock is lifted.

hippooath@5.2,
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“…people on the brink?”
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Like this?
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afguy@6.1,
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No, we don’t have the money. The Chinese have it. Just pray that they don’t decide to cut up Obama’s credit cards.

The GOP must be faced with the consequences of their reckless budget cuts. Sometime the truth hurts. The idiocy of the GOP priorities on federal spending must be clearly understood; foreign aid that saves lives, not to mention vital programs that save lives here, are being slashed while things like the Army’s auto racing sponsorships are protected by Tea Party lawmakers.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org

afguy@8.1,
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Side effects like thousands of malaria deaths? You mean those side effects, afguy?

“by encouraging abortion as a birth control method”

You guys might get listened to more often if you didn’t make crap up.

paulie,
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We started selling the Chinese the financial keys to the store LONG before Obama was on the scene.
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LONG before…

liberalmeltdown@12,
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Now be fair, meltdown. Liberals have the children’s interest at heart. If they aren’t killed in the womb they may be unwanted, they may suffer abuse or their life style might not be optimal. Liberals only want the best for kids even if it means snuffing out their lives.

Well chupkar, if they stopped doing that, how much would they actually have to say? Not much, I’d bet.

12.1, WTF do you think “choice” means?

Here’s an opportunity for you to do something for a child that is actually living.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/entertainment/20110328_A_boy_with_a_sweet_smile.html

No paulie. Read a little before you start to spout talking points.
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Birth defects, MISCARRIAGES, cancer, diabetes, cretinism, etc.
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One of the other reasons was (if you had bothered to access the link and, you know, READ IT) that DDT stopped being effective.
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The mosquitos were becoming resistant to it.
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You clowns would be a lot more credible if you actually tried to READ before reciting the points you’ve been given.
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When two of you show up, pretty much at the same time, using the exact same phrasing, it’s rather obvious.

Matt@13,
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Oh yes, those dreaded GOP budget cuts. Democrats are sure it will lead to this…
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqILSBrhLJk&feature=related

Let’s put it a little plainer for you, paulie.
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Why keep spraying a poison into the environment when evidence shows it’s stopped working?
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DDT never worked ALL by itself anyway. It was part of a program that also included oil spraying on the water pools where they breed.
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That kills the larvae when they try to hatch.

afguy@6.3,
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Do you have any idea how feeble that excuse is? Previous presidents bet too much so it’s okay for Obama to go all in. He hasn’t even been in office three years yet and he has added $4 trillion to the debt already.

“people on the brink”
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No, but thanks for your serious consideration. Again – the moral cuts – very important. Large balancing ones…not so much.

How many people have died from Aids and venereal disease from “Safe sex”?
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Response #1: Like you actually care, Melty.
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Response #2: I imagine the number of people that have choked on a condom is low, Melty.
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Response #3: Safe sex – using condoms or another method of barrier protection – actually prevents the spread of disease.
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Response #4:It’s odd that you’re deriding condom use, Melty; I guess we can put “Right Wingers Endorse Unprotected Sex” up as a headline, yes?
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Response #5: If you want to try and break it down along ‘Repub vs. Dem’ lines, [consider that Vermont beats Utah] for a lower number of STD occurrences (Exception is with Syphilis, where Utah ranks better.)
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And yes, that’s a better response than you deserve.

As usual, your math is a bit off PJ. It’s more like $2 trillion and change. Why do you feel the need to exaggerate such a large number?

“Do you have any idea how feeble that excuse is? Previous presidents bet too much so it’s okay for Obama to go all in. He hasn’t even been in office three years yet and he has added $4 trillion to the debt already.”
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So 4 out of the 14 trillion? Do you know how feeble the excuse is that it’s all Obamas fault and that a majority of this comes from your need for a tax cut for you and rich people who have more money now, even during and after the crisis than ever before while the rest have flat or lower income?
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But then again it’s never about truth or serious consideration about what’s good for this country. It’s about your tribe and the excuses you and your tribe have for pinning everything on Obama. Doing something and taking responsibility is such a bummer.

afguy@8.4 & 8.5,
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Tell that to the World Health Organization.
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http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2006/pr50/en/index.html

hippooath@5.5,
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You want serious. A cut of $61 billion from a $3700 billion budget will not end life as we know it.
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There has not been one serious liberal in this entire debate. All they deserve is scorn.

RE 10.1: I feel sorry for the moms

“Now be fair, meltdown. Liberals have the children’s interest at heart. If they aren’t killed in the womb they may be unwanted, they may suffer abuse or their life style might not be optimal. Liberals only want the best for kids even if it means snuffing out their lives.”
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You got that right. Instead of paying less money to teach kids about sex or family planning or support single mothers that want to keep their baby full term we should just force everyone to keep their babies no matter what and then fudge em when the babies are born.
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‘We gave you the chance, now walk you little fracker!’
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That’s why liberals are against death penalty, because by your logic we should kill them before they’re born instead.
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You’re a clever one.

diecash1@6.5,
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The National Debt is at $14.25 trillion today. At the end of 2008 it was approximately $10 trillion.

I wonder the number of causalities the admin was estimating would have happened in Egypt had we not gotten involved? Probably far, far less than 70,000. And, reading the linked article, seems Rs are looking to cut $450 – $500 mil out of the USAID program– a number that is no doubt far less than the total bill we’re going to get from Libyascapade. What crappy priorities.

hippooath@12.7,
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It has always puzzled me that liberals would weep and gnash their teeth at the thought of a legal execution of some guilty sub-human and yawn at the slaughter of millions of innocents.

PJ – I already did the math for rustyblogwhore on this one. You can look it up if you like but it was approximately $10.7 trillion when he came into office, not including the 2009 budget deficit that was largely attributable to W, making it about $11.7 that Obama inherited. Currently it’s about $13.7-8 trillion, thus $2 trillion and change. Why is math so hard for someone so clever?

What crappy priorities.
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Exactly.
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How did the US do so well in the late 40′s, 50′s, and early 60′s?
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Oh yeah; coming off of the Great Depression and a World War, we knew that if we didn’t hang together, we would all hang apart; united we stand, divided we fall and all that.
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Now it’s all ‘ownership society’ and FYIGM.
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Nice 30-years’ effort in flushing an exceptional nation down the toilet, right-wingers.

Read it.
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Noted the phrase “when used properly”.
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Because it was liteally used and sprayed EVERYWHERE in the past. Heavily.
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Would imagine that it’s been long enough that the current generation of mosquito larvae have had NO exposure to it.
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In other words, what’s old is new again.

“You want serious. A cut of $61 billion from a $3700 billion budget will not end life as we know it.
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There has not been one serious liberal in this entire debate. All they deserve is scorn.”
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Paulejb,
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If you could step outside your tribal bubble with your silly echo chamber talking points you spew, you would see just how seriously delusional you are. You want serious? While you spend a absorbent time and with glee talking about ‘poet cowboys’ you ignore every single serious thing we say here.
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That’s all you have. For every thing we point out that is anchored in reality you go back to the snark and pathetic talking points about stuff none of us care about.
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The problem you face is one of basic math. No GOP have a serious plan in place to deal with the real budget hogs. They’re all off the table. Go ahead and cut these small programs because as we keep saying the 61 billion isn’t really the issue – is that you’re cutting programs we might need without adressing the stuff that is killing us for real. Plus, the biggest issue you have is that you’re mathematically impaired. It doesn’t matter if you cut 61 billion today if the burn rate is much greater. It just means that we’re that much more in the hole next year, which means GOP will continue to cut stuff that actually works to the bone while the elephants keep destroying the country.
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That’s you – you want symbolic moral cuts – I want deficite reduction. But you don’t want to be serious about it because it will include tax increases. That’s a no no to you. Freeinpa like to drag out the tired ‘you just want to take my money to pay for more programs’. No I don’t. I don’t mind cutting waste where we find it, regardless what it is. But you can’t be serious about budgetary matters if you only cut without also raising revenue so we pay off our deficite.
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So no – we don’t deserve scorn. You do, because you don’t present one single argument for a balanced budget; you link youtube videos and post snark while happily singing talking points without a factual basis.
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You are not serious about deficite reduction; you’re interested in whats good for you tribe, not for the country.

and gnash their teeth at the thought of a legal execution of some guilty sub-human
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Have read the whole thread and still can’t figure out what the h*ll you are talking about.
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Or is this another of your “strawmen” again that NO ONE has actually advocated…

“GOP Cuts Would Kill 70,000 Kids”

Boehner wept.

“The regime wants everyone to be dependent on the govt, not working. They will steal the money they need from the rich.”
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That’s why corporations are showering billions over our politicians and they (the politicians) renewed the tax cuts, because they want to steal from the rich.
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I bet you won a lot of award with that logic.

“The National Debt is at $14.25 trillion today. At the end of 2008 it was approximately $10 trillion.”
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Where did the 10 come from?

“It has always puzzled me that liberals would weep and gnash their teeth at the thought of a legal execution of some guilty sub-human and yawn at the slaughter of millions of innocents.”
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What have always puzzled me is why someone would make a inhuman statement about someone else based on their fantasy about someone elses political leaning. I never understood ignorant peoples need to speculate about stuff they don’t know as suppose to find out for real. It’s like ignorance is far easier than actually knowing. Either because they’re lazy or perhaps because in the end they don’t give a sh!t about their fellow man. That’s a sad statement about someone. But that’s tribalism for you.

12.2, Liberals always know what is best for you. And, they just love to not only tell you what you should do, but they pass a laws and force you to comply. Those freedom loving leftists.
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Concerned about overpopulation, the left is on the verge of non-breading themselves to extinction.
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When they do breed, they produce results like this:
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Here Rosanna Arquette complains that her mother could not get an abortion in 1959 to abort HER. She also reaffirms that liberals us abortion as birth control.
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October 01, 1985
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Q9 Playboy: Something we haven’t read about in the many recent articles about you is your outspoken views on current issues. For instance, you speak out in favor of maintaining legalized abortion. Have you ever had an abortion?
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Rosanna Arquette: Well, as a matter of fact, yes. And my mother went to have an abortion when she was pregnant with me. I mean, she was on her way, and then the nurse told her to go out through the back door because the place got raided and the doctor got arrested because it was illegal. This was during the Fifties, when women used to go to these old buildings and someone would do it with a knife and a newspaper. I mean, some butcher. I’ve had two abortions: one when I was much younger and one two years ago. I was deeply involved with a man the second time. We made the decision together that it wasn’t the right time for us to have a baby. It wasn’t a pleasant experience. We were going to get married but the moment just wasn’t right. The abortion ended up being OK, because I broke up with that person. So, you know, I wouldn’t want to have the marriage break up and have a two-year-old running around.

testing

Anyone else having trouble. I have tried posting several times comments with links and none of taken.

I am going to comment without links. Take my word for it:
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Louie Gohmert (my favorite crazy) is trying to get food stamps for striking families banned.
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Meanwhile, Republicans in states like Maine, Missouri, and others are trying to get child labor laws changed so kids can work longer hours.
Now if they can get the pesky worker safety laws revoked we can really return to the “gilded age”.
Parents can say: “Off to the mines, Morris! Off to the sweatshop Tilly!”
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As for those “furen” kids, as Ricardo said in his most intellegent rebuttal, “they don’t like us anyway”.

hippooath@5.7,

You mean serious like this drivel about 70,000 deaths among children. Or do you mean the serious effort that Obama and the Democrats have put into deficit and debt reduction? Oh wait, Obama and the Dems have put in absolutely no effort to reduce the deficits or debt. All they have done is carp from the sidelines as Republicans do the heavy lifting.
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Howard Dean is rooting for a government showdown so that he and his pals can demagogue the issue and terrorize the aged.
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So spare me this baloney about Democrats wanting deficit reduction. It ain’t gonna happen. Liberals exist to spend other people’s money. Cutting off funding would be the same as cutting off their air supply.

diecash1 & hippooath@6.8 & 6.9
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1. National Debt today…
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http://www.usdebtclock.org/
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2. As diecash wrote, the debt inherited by Obama was $10.7 btrillion.
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3. The 2009 budget deficit belongs to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.

Try using bold. That always works for you.

afguy@8.7,
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Well, duh! I wasn’t suggesting that we spray it in children’s faces.
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I will accept your apology.

afguy@12.9,
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Hippooath@ 12.7…
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“That’s why liberals are against the death penalty…”
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Any other questions, afguy?

hippooath@12.10,
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Do you deny that the majority liberals oppose the death penalty and support abortion? Am I all wrong in believing that that is the liberal position?
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By all means, correct me if I am in error.

pintortwo@16,
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Explain to me why it is a good idea to borrow money from China to give aid to other nations? Why not eliminate the middle man and have China give the aid directly?

Disgusting:(

http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/bts_web/Bill.aspx?SessionType=R&BillID=4124271

“You mean serious like this drivel about 70,000 deaths among children. Or do you mean the serious effort that Obama and the Democrats have put into deficit and debt reduction? Oh wait, Obama and the Dems have put in absolutely no effort to reduce the deficits or debt. All they have done is carp from the sidelines as Republicans do the heavy lifting.”
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Did you read the very first post? That should answer what I think about it. What heavy lifting? What exactly is so heavy about avoiding the elephants while slashing the moral stuff? Don’t kid me okay – there’s nothing heavy about going after all the things GOP don’t like. That’s a no brainer but none closer to fiscal responsibility.
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“Howard Dean is rooting for a government showdown so that he and his pals can demagogue the issue and terrorize the aged.”
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Right – let me know when you’re serious. And lets not play the scare whom part after 2 years of villifying liberals over death panels and such garbage. Again – what you just did – change subject doesn’t really do anything to balance the budget.
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“So spare me this baloney about Democrats wanting deficit reduction. It ain’t gonna happen. Liberals exist to spend other people’s money. Cutting off funding would be the same as cutting off their air supply.””
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Let me know when you stop the talking point train wreck and want to exchange ideas about debt reduction. I’m still waiting for the ‘seriousness’, instead of the one liner BS like ‘liberals exist to spend other people’s money’. That’s the tribal idjut in you shutting down your cortex. Nice excuse for you to ignore the issue of a balanced budget tho.

“2. As diecash wrote, the debt inherited by Obama was $10.7 btrillion.
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3. The 2009 budget deficit belongs to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.”
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Again – where’s the 10 trillion from? It’s allt the liberals fault huh? If you want me to take you serious then at least be honest. if you can’t be honest I must assume that the only point you’re making here is that you hate liberals and other than being typical tribalism it’s not relevant to reality.

3. The 2009 budget deficit belongs to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.

PJers, don’t you ever get tired of getting smacked in the face with facts? You remind me of Curly from the Three Stooges, though less clever.
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From that “liberal” think tank, the Cato Institute:

In addition to being theoretically misguided, critics sometimes blame Obama for things that are not his fault. Listening to a talk radio program yesterday, the host asserted that Obama tripled the budget deficit in his first year. This assertion is understandable, since the deficit jumped from about $450 billion in 2008 to $1.4 trillion in 2009. As this chart illustrates, with the Bush years in green, it appears as if Obama’s policies have led to an explosion of debt.
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But there is one rather important detail that makes a big difference. The chart is based on the assumption that the current administration should be blamed for the 2009 fiscal year. While this makes sense to a casual observer, it is largely untrue. The 2009 fiscal year began October 1, 2008, nearly four months before Obama took office. The budget for the entire fiscal year was largely set in place while Bush was in the White House. So is we update the chart to show the Bush fiscal years in green, we can see that Obama is partly right in claiming that he inherited a mess (though Obama actually deserves a small share of the blame for Bush’s last deficit since earlier this year he pushed through both an “omnibus” spending bill and the so-called stimulus bill that increased FY2009 spending).

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/dont-blame-obama-for-bushs-2009-deficit/
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So as I said PJ, the vast majority of the 2009 budget deficit belongs to W, not Obama. As such, about $2.5 trillion has been run up under Obama thus far. Do try to get your facts straight.

“Do you deny that the majority liberals oppose the death penalty and support abortion? Am I all wrong in believing that that is the liberal position?
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By all means, correct me if I am in error.”
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Support abortion? I would gather that there are very few people in the world that support abortion.
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You’re not very clever. What you have is your fantasies and as I wrote – it’s based on what you believe, not the reality. No, I do not support abortion. I don’t think anyone here support abortion. What I think is that no one here support to force anyone to go through a pregnancy. I don’t support abortion. I happen to think and know based on research that the best way to stop abortions is sexual education, a good education for our kids, family planning and a strong middle class that not only can afford to pay for as many children as they want with no burdon to society but also afford upper education and support a free market of ideas.
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You’re a shallow pond. So many talking points. So many tribal ideas. But no clue about real people and what we stand for. In your mind we’re liberals and that means something. I personally can’t understand why someone can have such a inhuman view of other people. It’s just scary how you sound.

paulejb: You are treating on a very sensitive issue with me when it comes to the death penalty. I guess you like us to keeping company with these countries:
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In 2010, says Amnesty, capital punishment was carried out in the following countries: China (1,000s), Iran (252+), North Korea (60+), Yemen (53+), USA, (46), Saudi Arabia (27+), Libya (18+), Syria (17+), Bangladesh (9+), Somalia (8+), Sudan (6+), Palestinian Authority (5), Egypt (4), Equatorial Guinea (4), Taiwan (4), Belarus (2), Iraq (1+), Malaysia (1+), Bahrain (1), Singapore (unknown number) and Vietnam (unknown number).

hippooath@5.9,
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The first post shows an abysmal understanding of the purpose of government. The government of the United States was not designed to be our mother, father, or nanny.
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Here you are, hippo. Howard Dean is all his glory.
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http://tpmdc.talkingpointmemo.com/2011/03/howard-dean-quietly-rooting-for-govt-shutdown-video.php
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List the deficit and debt proposals of Barack Obama and/or the congressional Dems. {Yes, that’s a trick question, there aren’t any.}

diecash1@6.12,
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Really? Obama is not responsible?
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1. $350 billion in TARP funds expended under Obama.
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2. $862 billion “stimulus.”

3. 2009 omnibus budget bill of over $400 billion including 9000 earmarks.
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4. The deficit in pictures…

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/

hippooath@12.13,
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Sorry hippo, but that rational that “I oppose abortion but I can’t impose my morals on others” sounds a lot like the position of Pontius Pilate. Abortion is an unrelieved evil. If you do not oppose it than you are for it.
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I am weary of that phony claim that abortion should be “safe, legal and rare” when any attempt to make them rare is opposed vehemently.

“The first post shows an abysmal understanding of the purpose of government. The government of the United States was not designed to be our mother, father, or nanny.”
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Right, I will take your word for it.
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“Here you are, hippo. Howard Dean is all his glory.”
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And? That does that have to do with budget cuts what?
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“List the deficit and debt proposals of Barack Obama and/or the congressional Dems. {Yes, that’s a trick question, there aren’t any.}”
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So how do we balance the budget. I already said you can cut those 61 billion. So now what?

“1. $350 billion in TARP funds expended under Obama.”
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Who signed TARP into law?
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Where are those 10 trillion from?

apr2563@12.14,
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http://patdollared.com/2010/10/connecticut-home-invasion-rape-murder-by-arson-trialguilty/
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If anyone deserved the death penalty, it would be these two. They deserve the reinstitution of the auto-da-fe.

“Sorry hippo, but that rational that “I oppose abortion but I can’t impose my morals on others” sounds a lot like the position of Pontius Pilate. Abortion is an unrelieved evil. If you do not oppose it than you are for it.”
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Sorry Paulejb but evil is a religious concept. You cannot impose your worldview on others. Just as I can’t tell you to believe in one thing or another. I find your logic dumb. It’s not rational. I find your hatred of liberal immoral but other than silly and confused you have all the rights to believe what you do. I can’t however force you to stop hating liberals. And I find your absolute ‘with me or against me’ referense pathetic.
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“I am weary of that phony claim that abortion should be “safe, legal and rare” when any attempt to make them rare is opposed vehemently.”
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Which is of course not what I wrote. I wrote the specifics, why don’t you argue against those instead.

hippooath@5.11,
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Repeal ObamaCare — That would save about $2.7 trillion.
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Increase penalties for Medicare and Medicaid fraud. Huge fines and hard time. That would save about $40 billion a year.
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No more government bailouts of mismanaged businesses.
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Eliminate Fannie, Freddie, Dept of Energy, Dept of Education.
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Eliminate farm subsidies.
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Eliminate ethanol subsidies.
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“Drill baby, drill!” — It will create jobs and increase revenue to the government.
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That’s a start just off the top of my head.

A gold star to nflfoghorn.

Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government; that, whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them right.
– Thomas Jefferson

Unfortunately, the know-nothings seem to be in the ascendant.

hippooath@6.14,
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TARP was signed into law by George W Bush after it was passed by the Congress with the votes of John McCain and Barack Obama.
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President-elect Obama requested that George W Bush seek release of the 2nd $350 billion in TARP funds to make them immediately available to President Obama when he took office. George Bush graciously acceded to the request.
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The $10 trillion was the accumulated national debt of the previous presidents. The additional $4 trillion is all Obama’s.

Apology, paulie?
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Read what you wrote.
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“Also, if the government hadn’t banned DDT there would be little problem with malaria.”
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Are you saying there wasn’t a problem with DDT when they banned it in 1972? Because that’s most decidedly what I didn’t say… and neither did they.
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The bottom line is that the mosquitos had built up a resistance to it. That in and of itself was enough reason to discontinue its use at that time. That and the fact that and it was being over-used. Their new guidance say that it is “safe with proper use”. At the time, “proper use” would NOT describe how it was being applied.
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It’s been out of general use for almost 40 years. Like I said, enough time for it to be “new” again to the mosquito population.
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Who said to spray it in kid’s faces? No one but you, paulie. That’s YOUR overwrought “strawman”.
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You might be entitled to an apology if you could keep your statements straight. And stop drawing false conclusions.

Obama is not responsible?

Again PJ, RIF — Reading (Comprehension) is Fundamental. I didn’t say that. I said that Bush is responsible for a majority of the 2009 budget deficit. Obama bears some responsibility for the 2009 deficit too. So now, after being shown that you’re wrong, you want to quibble over a few dollars? You’re just precious PJ.

@ paulejb 5.5

I totally agree with you that “A cut of $61 billion from a $3700 billion budget” is chickensh-t. It’s a miniscule percentage. But I urge you to consider where those funds are coming from.

It all matters where you take the money from.

Let’s imagine taking the money from all the art programs in the country. Sure, who cares, lets having all the starving artists get real jobs.

Let’s take the money away from Planned Parenthood. And I don’t mean just the abortions, lets take away all the money from the adoption planning, therapists, dieticians, parent classes, sources for disabled mothers and abused mothers. They can get all their services privately.

Let’s take away the money from farm subsidies. I doubt the American farmer can use the extra money to maintain his mortgage and his insurance, not to mention equipment and other taxes. (And that hits me personally, I have relatives who farm near Harrisburg and it can be tough for them).

That 61 billion we want to cut is often inefficient and wasted. But for every amount we cut, there is going to be a group of people who are Americans who will be negatively affected, and we should be streamlining the business of government, not indiscreetly hacking it.

Paul, our Libyan intervention is being presented as a humanitarian effort to save lives of innocent civilians. Therefore, I compared it to USAID, also a humanitarian effort.
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In Libya we’ll easily spend a few billion (covert ops on the ground, whacking mil installations, surveillance flights, NFV…) and, in the end, we’ll likely save a few hundred lives (although I’d expect that our involvement prolongs the conflict.. but that is for another comment).
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With USAID, we cut $450 – $500 mil in funding which will cause 70,000 lives not to be saved.
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I’ll spell it out for you: I’m implying that Congress, the admin and the military are not too concerned with saving lives. They would rather that $450 – $500 mil goes to defense contractors, weapon manufacturers and supports ME resource exploitation as part of the military budget. Also, no one on the Hill is really concerned about the deficit, their actions tell a different story.
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Explain to me why it is a good idea to borrow money from China to give aid to other nations?
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You’re missing the point. The money we spend on humanitarian projects is nothing compared to the money we spend on defense– in ’10 we spent slightly over $1 Trillion on total defense (link). Congress is not concerned with the deficit, as evidenced by their actions.
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The better question is: Why should we borrow money from China to finance the unneeded weapons, wars of choice, wasteful overseas construction and graft that is our current defense budget, especially at a time when we are not in danger from any nation’s military?

hippooath@12.17,
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1. Even though I am conversing with you, not everything that I say is directed at you.
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2. Evil is as evil does. You do not have to be religious to recognize it.
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3. I do not hate liberals. I despise their beliefs and I despise what they are doing to our nation, but I hold no hate in my heart.
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4. As for my “with me or against me” stand, as you so cleverly put it, I would describe it as “If you don’t stand for something, you will fall for anything.”
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5. What is there to argue? Abortion is wrong. We should all agree to eliminate it.

Re: 6.13 $350 billion in TARP funds expended under Obama.
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In addition to saving the financial system from almost certain collapse and another great depression, TARP has now returned a profit of $8 billion, with more to come. Do you have any more brilliant financial insights to offer?

I agree to disagree

http://www.newsweek.com/2011/03/28/why-tarp-has-been-a-success-story.html

It’s the basic conservative position: Pro-life!!* Pro-life!!* Prolife!!*

*until I have to pay or otherwise contribute anything at all.

Here Rosanna Arquette complains that her mother could not get an abortion in 1959 to abort HER. She also reaffirms that liberals us abortion as birth control.

Yes, of course because Rosanna Arquette speaks for all liberals everywhere. Stupid is as you write LM.

pauljb@12.8: It has always puzzled me that liberals would weep and gnash their teeth at the thought of a legal execution of some guilty sub-human and yawn at the slaughter of millions of innocents.
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It has always puzzled me that wingnuts support the death penalty but oppose abortion. Especially in light of the number of non-subhuman people who have been cleared from wrongful convictions as a result of the efforts of the people involved in the Innocence Project. http://www.innocenceproject.org/

What my ale-swilling fellow commenter said.

I believe that it’s known as “Pro-life until birth, after that you’re on your own kid.”

Paulie,
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Our main problem with you is that you constantly erect “strawmen” of your own design, change what others have said and THEN take a position against what YOU wrote, NOT what they said themselves.
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You said you are against abortion – fair enough.
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ALL abortions? In EVERY case? NO extenuating circumstances? Even for those who can afford to pay for them themselves? Or are you just against using your tax dollars to pay for same? You prepared to support jailing the daughter of a CEO who gets an abortion after the boyfriend decides to cancel the wedding?
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“Abortion is an unrelieved evil. If you do not oppose it than you are for it.”
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You just pretty well quoted the position of the Catholic church hierarchy. Are you saying we have to take our instructions from a religion we don’t ourselves follow? The Pope doesn’t speak for me and neither does Richard Land. They has their opinions and I have mine.
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I am against abortion for anyone in my family but I can imagine circumstances in which others might have a decisions to make. If they do make the decision to have one, that will be a decision between them and their Creator, not between them and a judgmental, uncaring jerk such as yourself.
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You like to pass judgment on others, don’t you, paulie? I wonder how you and your Creator will agree on the distortion and bald-faced lying you do here on a regular basis. Or is it your position that your lying is somehow OK, because it’s for a “good cause”?
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One thing the modern conservative movement is VERY big on is choosing their sins. Abortion=bad but lying, greed and adultery=no big deal. Also, killing=good as long as it’s for what YOU consider a noble cause.
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Abortion = killing innocents but mistaken air strikes that kill BROWN children = just one of those bad things that happen in war. The hypocrisy couldn’t be plainer but you can’t see it if you NEVER open your eyes.
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Before you go lecturing others on matter of morality as YOU see them, paulie, make sure your OWN ideological house is in order on those matters.
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Don’t think the Almighty is as much in your hate-filled, judgmental corner as you think He is.

I’m hoisting a cold one to that comment as we speak.
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USAID also pales, by orders of magnitude, in comparison to US taxpayer dollars transferred to other profitable corporations in other industries, especially the agriculture and energy industries.

…that are also extremely damaging to US national interests, including in ways closely related to US defense.

afguy.. @8.9.. It should be obvious that a lot of DDT was used around his house as a child. He may have been weaned on it!

liberal that was pretty funny.

At least someone has a sense of humor.

That was for 19.3

Cheers!

Yea yea, mori-the-moron, one of the charter members of NAMBLA. How many little boys have you raped and sodomized lately?

RT Ravenholt who was head of USAID for a time wanted to STERILIZE 1/4 of the female population’s of the world…watch the documentary Maafa21 and defund this GIANT !!!! http://www.maafa21.com