WW W. D?

Regular Swamp readers will have noticed that I have been on a bit of a hiatus of late. My mother died suddenly and two weeks ago. While I’m still immersed in family issues, I couldn’t watch the flood of GOP responses to President Obama’s speech on Libya go through my inbox unremarked. I received statement after statement hammering Obama for either involving the U.S. in Libya or not consulting Congress before he did.

“When American men and women in uniform are sent into harm’s way, Americans and troops deserve a clear mission from our commander-in-chief, not a speech nine days late,” Senator John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, said in a statement after the speech. “President Obama failed to explain why he unilaterally took our nation to war without bothering to make the case to the U.S. Congress.”

Reading such statements from one George W. Bush’s most loyal congressional allies, I couldn’t help but ask myself: What would W. have done?

In early 2005, I attended a meet-and-greet with a handful of other reporters with Bush in the Oval Office. The session was typical for Bush, who liked to know the reporters covering him (ironically, such sessions are rare in the current White House, unless you’re a former magazine reporter writing a suck up book). I had already been covering the White House for more than a year, but Bush had suspended the meetings during his reelect.

So, there we were and Bush was explaining why he chose various works of art – in particular a bust of Dwight D. Eisenhower. Eisenhower, Bush said, was a very different President behind the scenes than more people realized, which prompted me to ask the President how he wanted to be remembered and how he thought he would be.

“My first biographers won’t have voted for me,” Bush joked. But then he said something that surprised me. I’d always thought he’d like to go down as the man who brought “American values” back to the White House, or at least as the guy who took steps to prevent America from ever being attacked again in the wake of 9/11. Instead, he talked about how he’d like most to be remembered for his belief that democracy was possible in the Middle East. “Not just in Afghanistan or Iraq or Palestine, but across the Middle East,” he said. In the long run democratizing the Middle East, he argued, would be the only way to win the war against Islamists. After all, liberal democracies do not go to war with one another. And he firmly believed that the seeds of democracy he was sowing would spread.

Though he hasn’t weighed in on Obama’s action in Libya, I can’t help thinking that this is an action that Bush would have supported if he were still President. It fits clearly into his goal of democracy in the Middle East (and saves him the trouble of sending in ground troops to achieve it).

So it is with some irony that I saw his former defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, bashing Obama on ABC. “The first thing you have to do,” Rumsfeld told Jake Tapper, “is recognize…the mission has to determine the coalition. The coalition ought not determine the mission.”

And Obama firing back, that unlike some presidents, he doesn’t go to war unilaterally.

It’s hard to make an apples-to-apples comparison with any Bush military action since Bush rarely limited himself to enforcing a no-fly zone when it came to military action. But I can think of plenty of times that he failed to consult Congress – or his own party – before leaping into an issue: surely Cornyn still bears scars from his role in immigration reform? Not to mention Social Security reform, TARP, auto bailouts… Some Republicans are still smarting from how Bush and Tom DeLay rammed through the Medicare prescription drug program. So when I ask myself, What Would W. Have Done in Libya? I find the answer is pretty much what Obama did.

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  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Truly sorry to hear of your loss Jay. I’m sure working will help, distraction and all that.

  • kbanginmotown

    Sorry for your loss, Jay. It’s nice to see you back.

  • bobell

    What kbang said, Jay. You’ve been missed.
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    As for W, there’s no denying that his goal was the right one — freedom and democracy in the Middle East. One can argue about the details — endlessly, it appears — but he’s surely right about where we want it to end, and also about the value to the entire world of accomplishing it.
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    Where W fell down, as so often, was in the implementation. Where Obama differs from him is precisely there — the implementation.
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    The same generalization also appllies to management of the economy. The Republicans are so hellbent on preventing Obama from doing what needs doing that they may yet destroy everything despite his best efforts. But at least we now have a president who doesn’t constantly feed us economic bullsh!t and pretend that it’s good for us. I truly believe that W truly believed that cutting taxes could result in an increase in federal revenues that exceeded the amount forgone by the tax cut. No sane economist believes that. Yet it strikes me as typical of Bush’s economic “thinking.”
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    I don’t agree with everything Obama does. I doubt that even Obama agrees with everything Obama does. But at least we have someone in the White House now with a firm grip on realities. Bush can have his admirable goals. I’ll settle for admirable accomplishments.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Sorry for your loss, Jay. My own mother passed this past September—on my sister’s birthday, no less. Mom was my best friend, as most adult children often claim.

  • charlieromeobravo

    ““When American men and women in uniform are sent into harm’s way, Americans and troops deserve a clear mission from our commander-in-chief,”
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    Where the hell have these people been for Iraq? If we had had this from W, if we had even invaded Iraq at all we wouldn’t be there now. And those same people could have also been helpful reminding W why we were in Afganistan so we wouldn’t have neglected that mission so badly and maybe we wouldn’t still be in there too. SO, W’s conservative enabler that are so up in arms about everything Obama does now can stick it where the sun doesn’t shine. If you want to be a concerned citizen, be one 100% of the time, not just when the opposite party is in power. This sort of behavior towards Obama is shameful and hypocritical.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    I have been on a bit of a hiatus of late.
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    Condolences, Jay.

  • Matt

    The president delivered a fine speech with a vaguely reassuring rationale for using force against Libya. But where does this “Obama doctrine” end regarding humanitarian interventions? What about Syria? Ivory Coast? And what now with Qaddafi advancing again? Too many questions…
    http://www.sunstateactivist.org

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    First off, my condolences for your loss. Not only for the human loss but for the many ‘practical’ concerns that suddenly come into play. Best of luck.

    Though I know that they’re posturing, I have to concede that Republican complaints about not consulting Congress are absolutely correct. Your observation that W would have done it too only reinforces the notion that it’s wrong.

    The Colonists knew well that keeping a standing Army at the ready would result in their finding reasons to go to work whether they were necessary for defense or not. Thus the Constitution pointedly limited all Military appropriations to 2 years time. I know it seems quaint now, but the intention of the framers was quite clear. Only congress could declare war and the Army was NOT to be used as an instrument of power granted to any individual.

    It’s sad that the only time anyone notices the problem is when a Democrat wants to go to war but there you have it.

  • gysgt213

    JNS. So sorry for you loss.
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    I must disagree though. There is no way GWB would have scheduled his address to the nation to accommodate DWTS.

  • rdw56

    When Bush said the 1st biographers wold not have voted for him he was referring to you. This unilateral versus multilateral meme is orwellian and so obviously pure partisan politics it’s brain dread. As has been documented elsewhere GWBs coalition is vast larger than Obama’s, This is the smallest coalition in the post WWII era and liberals are still calling Obama the multi-lateralist. You are not taken seriously because you are not serious. This is childish.

  • rdw56

    Also ridiculous is comparing the decision to send men into harms way with medicare prescriptions. We have a record of Bush and military engagements and his brilliant political decision to get Congress on board with his actions fully aware Democrats and Time would #1 trash him if he did not and then trash him each and every time something went wrong. The fact he did so clearly cost Kerry any real shot as the Presidency as well as Hillary Clinton for their sleazy acts in selling the Bush Lied meme. Each has full access to the identical intelligence and they knew he didn’t lie. It ended perfectly for conservatives. Each were denied their goals. Kerry ensured BUsh two terms. Each remain near the top of their party as incompetent as ever.

  • newfreedomblog

    Sorry for your loss, Jay.
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    With that said….
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    “What would W. have done?”

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    to….
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    “Though he hasn’t weighed in on Obama’s action in Libya, I can’t help thinking that this is an action that Bush would have supported if he were still President. It fits clearly into his goal of democracy in the Middle East (and saves him the trouble of sending in ground troops to achieve it).”

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    I do believe former President George Bush II has stayed out of remarking on Obama’s presidency and his choices to date across the board. The same that most all Presidents have done through out history.
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    The blame game rests entirely on Obama’s shoulders, as it has since he has taken office. Still he uses this “well Bush did it” meme, and all you can do is emphasize “what would W. have done?”.
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    But, I suppose you are painted into a corner by the fact that this President’s failure to take responsibility for anything thus far, leaves you only one option that is to point out “What would W. have done”?, since that is the only justification we have had from this President, to blame his predecessor for everything that anyone could possibly perceive as being wrong or a mistake, on his part (Obama’s that is)
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    So, I will ask this question to YOU. When will you hold THIS President accountable? When do you begin to analyze what he does on his own merits rather than on what his most recent predecessor did during his Presidency? Perhaps when you being to do that, Obama will have to take responsibility for his own actions, rather than continue the Bush blame game.

  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    Condolences, Jay. You have been missed here.

  • newfreedomblog

    Facts do not lie. Obama, well truth is not part of his vocabulary, especially during speeches he wants to feed bull-crap to the people of this country.
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  • http://tisias.wordpress.com tisias

    wait, how the hell are you defining “smallest coalition?” Are you referring to the number of troops, ships, planes etc.? Are you referring to the number of participatory nations, or supporting nations? Are you including inter-regional groups like the Arab League?

    How is multilateral any better or worse than unilateral? They each have their applicability for different situations.

    You are comparing apples to oranges here.

  • nflfoghorn

    “’The first thing you have to do…is recognize…the mission has to determine the coalition. The coalition ought not determine the mission’”
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    And that’s why he was such a #@!%up.
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    SOT, I was going thru old photos and letters and found one from my former boss who sent a card after my father’s death, even though she had recently retired. Last week I found out that her husband passed away. So JNS, I say all that to say sharing the pain makes the burden easier. God bless.

  • http://americadoneright.wordpress.com/ mcoville

    New boss looks a lot like the old boss. The party changes but the plan doesn’t.

  • allthingsinaname

    Well I find that he is also like Bush, not only does he continue unlawful wire taps, he also goes to war so that we can forget that we still have 16 million unemployed, and Osama bin Laden back in the news.
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    Now he and the GOP can rape us with impunity. Nothing like a good war and an advisory to distract us.

  • rdw56

    Any measure you wish to use. # countries is most definitive. But # assets works and actual number of real participants. The Iraqi coalition was far larger especially when put in context of the fact it was ground based. It’s easy to join a coalition when you don’t have to do anything.

    To be honest I can’t think of a dumber political tactic than calling the Iraqi conflict unilateral when so many soldiers from so many nations made the ultimate sacrifice. That makes it a horrible smear. Uni means one. Brits don’t count as real people? I get the fact the enraged left bought into it immediately but why not give them something rational to bite into? For all of the rage GWB won re-election easily and then after the 2006 congressional losses thumped the left in getting the surge approved. At no time since the 60′s has the left had a voice in military policy. Obama is as lefty a President you’ll ever get and he’s followed
    GWBs policies to a T and has even expanded them as he has going into Libya without consulting Congress.

    Note: I like the fact he referred to ‘unilateral’ in Iraq as it showed him as petty and dense and it’s a proven political loser. As far as the arab league they only support talking about doing something. Now that it’s started many have verbally abandoned the effort since verbage is all they have.

  • rdw56

    How is multilateral any better or worse than unilateral?

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    What exactly is your definition of unilateral? Your position is buffoonish. If GWB was unilateral in Iraqi than Obama with a much smaller coalition in Libya has to be unilateral. I happen to agree with stopping Qaddafi but his leadership and salemanship are pitiful. In terms of actual events he’s doing want conservatives want but trying to sell it to his base using the UN and Arab league as cover. It’s really quite bizarre. He spend the entire period getting elected trashing Bush on every defense and national security policy and then as President has enforced each and every one and extended a few.

    He speaks the language of liberalism but in many ways regarding security is conservative. He uses terms like ‘unilateral’ for that purpose. He wants to sound like the same guy he was in running for office to please his base. I think he’s short-sighted because it’s killing him among independents.

  • illinidiva

    Two thoughts about Obama and Libya….
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    First, many conservatives are supportive of the general goal of intervention in Libya, but see things wanting in the execution… 1. The strategy should have been implemented sooner; rather than fiddling while Rome burned. NATO and European allies such as France gave Obama sufficient cover to act when Qaddafi was pinned down in Tripoli rather than waiting until the wholesale slaughter of Bengazi was imminent. 2. Some of Obama’s actions show a startling lack of seriousness to his duties as President.. Failing to inform Congress before the beginning of the conflict, jetting off to South America on the first weekend of combat operations, and waiting 9 days to address the American public on the situation are all serious blunders on the part of the President. Liberals keep whining about how Bush spent 15 minutes reading with children before responding to the WTC attacks, but they’re willing to defend Obama’s spring break vacation in South America during the beginning of the Libya operations. Seriously???
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    Second, Bush probably would have done the same thing, so why is Obama trying to portray this as a not-Bush action. Obama should focus on his own presidency rather than Bush’s. Also, the fact that France is on board probably has to do more with the fact that Sarkozy, not Chirac, is President of France. France’s intense opposition to the Iraq war had more to do with Chirac’s cynical manipulation of the situation to improve his electoral chances than any noble anti-war stance. Chirac is frankly a corrupt politician who defrauded the city of Paris and is currently on trial for his actions, so that should tell you all you need to know about his actions during the Iraq conflict:

  • rdw56

    Your observation that W would have done it too only reinforces the notion that it’s wrong.

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    Don’t let reality intrude in your liberal fantasy world. Bush held the office for 8 years and didn’t use troops ever without getting a vote from Congress. Votes Hillary and Kerry will regret the rest of their lives.

    As far as the colonists their brilliance was in designing in the right amount of flexibility and distributed responsibility. We don’t have a large standing army but it is a very powerful and you’ll have a hard time making the case this is an example of giving a kid a hammer and everything becomes a nail. The professional military is highly intelligent because they get the best and they have consistently been the party to deter action. In virtually every case of US intervention since Vietnam the generals were against intervention. Mad Maddy famously ranted at Colin Powell, then chairman of the joint chiefs, “What good are troops if you won’t use them?” What we know from the last century are a strong military STOPS prevents wars. I think even you’ll agree if not for the US military the French today would be speaking either German or Russian. There is a reason the US military is by far the most respected institution in American.

  • Ivy_B

    Condolences, Jay. After you tweeted that, I posted it on the post about Warren Christopher which was current at the time and a number of people expressed condolences there as well.

    I trust that your good memories will in time surpass the sad thoughts now.

  • rdw56

    Also, the fact that France is on board probably has to do more with the fact that Sarkozy, not Chirac, is President of France

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    Absolutely a decisive factor but you can’t overlook other self-serving aspects here. France has a long colonial history with Northern Africa and some level of dependence on it’s oil. Chirac was a buffoon who’s posture had much to do with his own arrogance as with French commercial interests in Iraq. I believe what Bush did is what allowed a stronger, less arrogant man like Sarkozy to come to lead France. While not publicly reacting to the taunts from Chirac and Shroeder was biting in private and made it clear there would be a price. Support for bringing turkey into NATO and the EU was one as well as permanently removing all combat troops from Europe. Those 100,000 troops and their families were an economic asset as well as protection. While many Europeans cheered the Bush bashing most understood the counter-productive result. It fascinates me liberals think Obama has to repair our relationship with France and the rest. In fact that’s one reason why Sarko was elected. Obama has all but ignored Europe until now and he’s not leading this.

  • afguy

    Liberals keep whining about how Bush spent 15 minutes reading with children before responding to the WTC attacks, but they’re willing to defend Obama’s spring break vacation in South America during the beginning of the Libya operations. Seriously???
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    WTC attacks… WE, here in the US, were under attack, in one of our major cities.
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    NFZ against Libya was an action against a country that did NOT pose any immediate, direct threat to us here whatsoever. Obama would have had no direct role in the planning and execution of such once the go-ahead was given and, last time I checked, AF1 has a superior communications setup.
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    Seriously???? YOU don’t see a difference?

  • bobell

    Goodness, Rusty! What did Jay ever do to you?
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    I think the thrust of her post is perfectly legitimate. There is such a thing as historical context. Republicans invoke it all the time, frequently by comparing someone to Reagan, whom they almost unanimously hold out as a presidential paragon. Dubya staked perhaps the reputation of his entire presidency on his actions in the Middle East, with even the economy a distant second in those specific sweepstakes, and I see nothing wrong in measuring his successor against him.
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    Note also that in comparing Dubya and Obama, Jay is in some ways saying good things about Dubya and hoping Obama can measure up to him. Her view is actually more nuanced (or is “nuanced” now a dirty word?) than that, but that’s an element. If I were a Dubya fan (and I freely concede that I’m not), I would be pleased with most of her comments about him.
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    I think you’re so bllinded by your hatred of Obama that any time someone says something good about him you take it as an all-out attack on the other side.
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    Shorter version: Calm down, fella.

  • textee

    Jay Newton-Small: “And Obama firing back, that unlike some presidents, he doesn’t go to war unilaterally.”

    “Unilaterally”???

    Obamao and his useful idiots/political activists/lobbyists (i.e., the entire Washington/New York/American press corps) are so stupid that they don’t even know that the United States of America had twice as many coalition partners fighting America’s enemies in Iraq as Obamao has in Libya. http://nation.foxnews.com/barack-obama/2011/03/21/fact-bush-had-2-times-more-coalition-partners-iraq-obama-has-libya

  • rdw56

    The attacks on Bush for not over-reacting at the reading are preposterous. If you know anything at all about war or natural disasters politicians can do NOTHING at the immediate time of crises except get in the way. Those assigned as 1st responders be they soldiers or pilots or firemen know what they have to do and the last thing they need is to stop all work for a photo-opt.

    It took many days before they had any solid evidence of what happened, who did it, how they did it and they could even begin discussing making plans. I worked for the phone company serving NYC at the time and the President of the company wanted to do something. All of the major operational decisions regarding what had to be done were made many levels below him by people in a much better position tomake them. IF that hadn’t been the case he could have been fired for malfeasance. He did what all smart leaders do. He made his statement offering broad support and then stayed out of the way until the smoke cleared.

    The worst thing a leader can do is micro-manage. If Bush deserves any criticism it’s for lying low too long but even that’s in the realm of cheap shot. He was listening to the guidance of his national security team.

    I laugh at these photo-opts with governors and VPs showing up at natural disaster sites. Every Time Joe Biden moves his motorcade stops all traffic and everything around him freezes. Those doing the hardwork have to stop for the photo-opt. It’s not Joe’s fault but smart people wait until it’s safe.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I like how the Right-wingers here are counting 1-country=1-unit of measure when determining the size of their ‘coalition’.
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    You would think that if they were actually Conservative, they’d be counting dollars instead.

    As I said before the speech.

    As soon as we’ve amassed 150 thousand troops in Tunisia, let me know. Then we can begin comparing Libya to Iraq. Until then…………

    http://phd9.blogspot.com/

  • textee

    America’s Coalition Partners – Iraq – 2003

    Afghanistan,
    Albania
    Australia
    Azerbaijan
    Bulgaria
    Colombia
    Czech Republic
    Denmark
    El Salvador
    Eritrea
    Estonia
    Ethiopia
    Georgia
    Hungary
    Italy
    Japan
    South Korea
    Latvia
    Lithuania
    Macedonia
    Netherlands
    Nicaragua
    Philippines
    Poland
    Romania
    Slovakia
    Spain
    Turkey
    United Kingdom
    Uzbekistan

    [Source: US State Department]

    Obamao’s partners – Libya – 2011

    United States
    France
    United Kingdom
    Italy
    Canada
    Belgium
    Denmark
    Norway
    Qatar
    Spain
    Greece
    Germany
    Poland
    Jordan
    Morocco
    United Arab Emirate

    http://nation.foxnews.com/barack-obama/2011/03/21/fact-bush-had-2-times-more-coalition-partners-iraq-obama-has-libya

    Note how Obamao and every one of his useful idiots/political activists/lobbyists at ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, NPR, CNN, A-Mess-NBC, HLN, ESPN, ESPN 2, ESPN Classic, ESPN News, ESPN U, ESPN Radio, ESPN Deportes, ESPN The Magazine, ESPN.com, HBO, Showtime, the New York Times-Democrat, the Washington Post-Democrat, the Associated (with terrorists) Press, Time magazine, Sports Illustrated, Oprah, Entertainment Tonight, EXTRA, Car and Driver, CBSsportsline.com, et al., claims that America acted “unilaterally” against America’s enemies in Iraq but that Obamao is “not acting unilaterally” in Libya. Yes, boys and girls, they are all that stupid.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Any measure you wish to use. # countries is most definitive. But # assets works and actual number of real participants.

    rdw has a very peculiar way of measuring things. Not only does the amount of assets a country brings to a coalition matter less then the country simply raising it’s hand to be counted but the one country on the planet that outspends the entire rest of the planet combined on military hardware and weaponry has a “small’ standing army. Why, it’s almost as if he’s deliberately choosing his metrics to misstate actual facts of the matter!

  • afguy

    Well, if you thought bringing up the “My Pet Goat” episode was a “cheap shot”, then I doubt you’ll like this one any more.
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    President’s Daily Briefing , August 6, 2001, entitled “Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US”.
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    Bush’s response to CIA briefer: “You’ve covered your a$$, now.”
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    9/11 happened 5 weeks later.
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    Now, remind me once again how much Bush listened to the guidance of his national security team…

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    My condolences, Jay. What a difficult thing for you to go through. I hope that you have had some chance reliving and discussing good times.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-National_Force_%E2%80%93_Iraq#List_of_nations_in_the_coalition
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    Wiki link, so, this isn’t gosppel. Still, 7 countries with more than 1,000 deployed, another three with 500-1000. And, of course, the all-important two people from Iceland, two dozen from Moldova, and 55 from Tonga.
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    Not to mention that it wasn’t legal, it wasn’t condoned by the UN, and the people who lived in Iraq and in the area hated the idea of a foreign bombing and occupation.
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    Not to say there aren’t any grounds to criticize the current mission. The lack of consultation with Congress is, while common, troubling. While the downside of a long NFZ period a la Bush Sr. & Clinton in Iraq isn’t so awful, it’s not clear to me what the endgame is.
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    But the argument that “George Bush’s coalition was totally awesomer and bigger! is just childish rank partisanship.

  • nflfoghorn

    We went through this exercise yesterday, Tex. Where were you? Your msg is easily discredited by the amount of $ and troops each country gave. The number of nations comprising the Coalition of the Willing in ’03 didn’t mean each country remotely contributed anything close to what the US and UK did.
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    This is just like saying Flox has twice as many viewers. Doesn’t mean they tell the truth.

  • nflfoghorn

    Slightly OT – Rice was NSA at the time. Her blunder alone should not have qualified her to be SOS.

  • pintortwo

    (Bush’s) goal of democracy in the Middle East
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    This was not his goal. How anyone can say this is beyond me. We’re letting media-spin substitute for easily-observable reality. Have we learned nothing?
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    His goal was achieved- a network of bases giving us the ability to “fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars” and “perform the ‘constabulary’ duties associated with shaping the security environment in critical regions” (from the PNAC’s [wiki] year 2000 publication Rebuilding America’s Defenses).

  • hippooath

    You can add Sweden to the new coalition; they’re sending jets.

  • squirmz

    or pinor. you can say it in one three letter word

    oil

  • ohiolibb

    WW W. Do?
    The same thing he always did. Make an incoherent and inaccurate speech, followed by a policy of bomb ready aim.

  • southernbell49

    Jay, my condolensces to you and your family. Very sad.

  • deconstructiva

    That was a thoughtful gesture and many here did express their condolences.
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    Jay, welcome back; you were missed. I expressed my condolences to you earlier elsewhere and hope you’re hanging in there as best as possible. Ivy is right; in time the good times and memories will remain forever.

  • deconstructiva

    Agreed bobell; comparisons are fair game here. And of course rusty leaps at the chance to kick someone when she’s down.

  • deconstructiva

    Bush tended to move unilaterally whereas his father – like Obama (!?) – sought a coalition in Gulf I. I’d find a father / son comparison more interesting than W / Obama.

  • paulejb

    Jay Newton-Small,
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    Please accept my condolences for your loss. May your mother rest in the arms of the Lord.
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    As for http://WWW.D? I very much doubt that George would “let slip the dogs of war,” and then dash of to Rio. I also doubt that it would take him 9 days to work up the nerve to explain his actions to the American people.

  • sacredh

    My condolences for your loss JNS. I hope you have plenty of photos that bring back happy memories. They always help me to cope with the loss of a loved one.

  • apr2563

    Jay, I am sorry for your loss. I am sure you have many memories of your mother that will console you and bring you comfort.

  • rdw56

    so interesting you say that. Why do you think so many MSM columnists called on GWB to come out and make a statement on the ground zero mosque after Obama made his statements. I think because they wanted to erase memory of Obama’s “I was for it before I was against it” act. As people like Joe Klein pointed out, GWB was always clear and unambiguous on the subject.

    Another bad position you’ve put historians in. The MSM has Obama as the greatest orator since Lincoln. Garry Wills laughably called his race speech the greatest in 150 years. Of course a week after promising not to toss his pastor under the bus he did just that and the speech is now toxic as a matter of history. Even MSM columnists have stopped mentioning it because that brings up the sorry subject of the Reverend Wright and the unanswered question of “What was Obama doing in his church for 20 years?”

    The proper comparison for Obama is Ted Baxter, the famously dumb but eloquent news anchor on the Lou Grant show. If you think the stream of jokes about Obama and his teleprompter will ever go away you are crazy. I don’t have the link but the ratings for his speech on libya are in and the pattern of each Obama speech getting lower ratings than the speech before is intact. We also know from Rasmussen Polling Obama didn’t get any kind of bump up. He remains are 43/56.

    How about that press conference where he called the white cop stupid? Obama is simply not a good communicator and no amount of MSM BS will prove other wise.

  • rdw56

    The historians dilemma: Uni = ONE. The Iraqi coalition was much larger than one and much larger than Obama’s. The charge Bush acted unilaterally is by every definition partisan nonsense. It’s flat out stupid. No credible historian will write such dribble. To the extent they want to condemn the fact GWB didn’t have the full blessing of the UN they’ll have to explore that ground including the fact Saddam pissed on 17 UN resolutions showing the total contempt a majority of Americans hold for the institution. They also have to explain the players within the UN who blocked approval. Do they really think they can make a hero our of Jacques Chirac or Schroeder? If so do you think they’ll mention Schroeder getting a very lucrative position within months of leaving office with the Russians will be mentioned?. Surely any remotely savvy Historian will appreciate the taint. Ditto for Chirac and his long running corruption charges.

    There will be a worthwhile debate on the cost/benefits of the effort but it won’t be determined by any contemporaries. Truman, Ike, Reagan and JFK are 4 examples of dramatic revisions by historians of contemporary reporting.

  • rdw56

    you missed all of those purple fingers?

  • rdw56

    Not as off track as it might seem. An example of how history gets recorded. It’s not by the contemporary MSM.

    This Day in Gipper History
    March 30, 2011 10:20 A.M.
    By Steven F. Hayward

    Today is being well remembered as the 30th anniversary of the attempted assassination of President Reagan outside the Washington Hilton. Over on Power Line I offer a couple of excerpts about the episode from my Age of Reagan (published, I am delighted to note, by Dana Perino’s new employer — congratulations, Dana!).

    There are a couple of aspects of the aftermath of Reagan’s shooting that may not be recalled as clearly as the personal drama of Reagan’s courage that day: first, that it pushed his tax cut over the line; second, it arguably was a key moment in ending the Cold War.

    Prior to March 30, Reagan’s 30 percent income-tax-rate-cut proposal was in deep trouble. The White House figured that it was 100 votes short in the House from being able to pass either its budget or tax cuts. Newsweek magazine had run the headline: “Is the Big Tax Cut Dead?” Some of the hardest blows came from Republicans. White House congressional liaison Max Friedersdorf sent around a worried memo in late March with the understatement that “our staff continues to pick up disturbing intelligence with regard to the tax reduction side . . . our problem [is] on the House side and among the Republicans in Ways & Means.” Finance Committee chairman Bob Dole was telling reporters that he did not have the votes to pass Reagan’s tax cut in his committee. Budget committee chairman Pete Domenici was openly opposing the tax plan. The conventional wisdom was that Reagan would have to settle for a tiny fragment of what he wanted. But by skillfully exploiting his enormous public support after the shooting attempt, Reagan turned it around and ultimately got a 25 percent income-tax-rate cut, plus indexing.

    As for the Cold War, Paul Kengor and others have written well about how the shooting sharpened Reagan’s sense of Providence and destiny, and played into his own resolve about ending the Cold War. Here’s how I partly summarized the deeper background of that part of the story:

    After losing the 1976 nomination campaign, Reagan wrote in a letter to a supporter: “Whether it is this job or whether it is early training from long ago just now coming clear, I find myself believing very deeply that God has a plan for each of us. Some with little faith and even less testing seem to miss it in their mission, or perhaps we fail to see the imprint on the lives of others. But bearing what we cannot change, going on with what God has given us, confident there is a destiny, somehow seems to bring a reward we wouldn’t exchange for any other. It takes a lot of fire and heat to make a piece of steel.”

    Did Reagan ponder whether being shot was part of God’s plan for him? He unsurprisingly did not share whatever private thoughts he may have had, but on Good Friday, less than three weeks after the shooting, out of the blue Reagan told Mike Deaver that he wanted to talk to a clergyman. Deaver, an ex-seminarian, arranged for Terence Cardinal Cooke to come down from New York on short notice to visit with Reagan in the family residence at the White House. Reagan told the cardinal: “I have decided that whatever time I have left is for Him.” Separately Mother Teresa told Reagan that God had spared him for a purpose. The providential character of Reagan’s survival was perhaps confirmed two months later when, in a coincidence that seems hard to dismiss out of hand, Pope John Paul II survived an assassin’s bullet in Vatican Square. Providence or not, the Pope’s shooting was a sign that the Cold War had entered a dangerous new phase, as many western intelligence analysts believed the Pope’s shooting was a conspiracy involving Soviet bloc intelligence agencies. . .

  • rdw56

    Not at all! We had known Obama was a threat for well over a decade as are 30,000 other islamic radicals. Bush nailed it. Perhaps if Clinton hadn’t passed so many times on him this would have some validity. anyone who knows anything about intelligence and the regular breifings knows the threats are almost unlimited and it’s very difficult to rank them.

    No credible people are giving Bush a rap for not anticipating 9/11 anymore than Clinton anymore than FDR at Pearl Harbor.

  • rdw56

    Elvis,

    You do realize support for the UN in the USA is below 15%? That’s in the toilet. Only the extreme left pays any attention to the UN. As far as legal Kerry and Hillary wish it wasn’t so. But they in fact authorized it themselves. It was perfectly legal.

    Paul, the joke is the use of the term unilateral. Uni = One. The point isn’t that Iraq has a much larger coalition by every measure but that in no way is it logical or rational to describe Iraq as unilateral. My 2nd point is that in addition to being logically stupid it was politically inept.

    UNilateral become code for “the French didn’t approve”. You made fools of yourself. GWB coasted to re-election and then even after major losses in the 2006 election is was BUsh who determined the surge was going to be the new strategy in Iraq and because liberals had no credibility on the issue Bush rammed it right down your throats. Hell, Petraeus is still calling the shots and Gates is doing what he was put there to do, serve Petraeus.

  • rdw56

    You would think that if they were actually Conservative, they’d be counting dollars instead.

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    So go ahead and count. If as Elvis says 7 countries has 1,000 troops in Iraq and zero countries have troops in Libya I’d say start at Iraq having a coalition 7x’s as large. Do you really want to count the efforts from outside Libya and compare them to the support provided for Iraq from outside Iraq?

    There is no way of counting that approached the diversity of the effort in Iraq. By comparison this is a very narrow and tiny effort. It’s nice that the swede’s are sending planes down to join the effort after the French and Americans created a safe no fly zone. Hurrah!! That’s not to disrespect the Swedes. I disrespect you.

  • rdw56

    But the argument that “George Bush’s coalition was totally awesomer and bigger! is just childish rank partisanship

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    It is true but that’s not the point. The point is the term unilateral applied to Iraq is childish rank partisanship. You call it unilateral while noting 7 countries sent over 1,000 troops. Unilateral becomes inaccurate after a 2nd country joins.

  • rdw56

    OBAMA UNDERWATER: “A new poll out this morning from Quinnipiac of over 2000 registered voters nationwide puts Obama’s approval level at 42%, the lowest in any Q-poll for Obama, with 48% disapproving. His re-elect number is actually even lower.” That’s because he’s been a miserable failure at pretty much everything. Even the NCAA bracket .

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    Paul, Elvis,

    Consider one of the key aspects of Hope and Change would be an end to Libya type attacks and the hyper-partisan bickering around them. Uni-lateral was a bogus and counter-productive charge when GWB was in office and now you bring it back out to repeat the same tired, partisan smears. Do you really think this helps Obama? Seems to me nothing has changed.

    Here is your dilemma. You love making the charge. I love mocking you. Independents counted on Obama to end it. Clearly Obama has failed. What are independents going to think of Obama and his promises?

    This is why I key in on the word unilateral. It’s a smear. It was never intended to be anything else. It’s the sort of ugly partisanship those in the middle hate and Obama promised to end. Describing Iraq as unilateral is just stupid.

    BTW: Calling Iraq illegal because Bush went to Congress while Libya is legal because Obama went to the UN might be even dumber. Only the radical left puts the UN above the Congress. This is a really bad issue for Obama. I think the 3 of us agree to the extent he gets identified as a liberal he’s toast. You can’t get further left than asking the UN for permission.

    BTW2: This doesn’t even get to all of the flip-flopping. One day regime change is the goal the next day not the next day on again. Nor does it address the risks of failure and bleeding sore. What if the rebels hold on but can’t feed themselves. We feeding them?

  • rdw56

    rdw has a very peculiar way of measuring things.

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    I’ve invited you to use any metric you wish. No one has. The reason is obvious. Check out the polls my friend. This is NOT going well for Obama.

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