Morning Must Reads: Cover

“Tim Palwnty [sic] doesn’t want to see defense cuts”
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Or a mangling of his name

From the MJ article:
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“…It turns out that pointing to Nelson as an example of what’s wrong with public employee unions is thoroughly bogus in another way. According to Rusch, the city of Madison went to the bus drivers union last year and told them the rules allowing the highest-paid bus drivers to snap up the most overtime were a major problem for them. Turns out the union agreed, and renegotiated a deal to limit overtime in a way that has left Metro Transit happy. And guess what: That deal was negotiated through collective bargaining.
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“Not everyone takes advantage of the overtime rules to the extent Nelson has, but it’s nonetheless a widely used gambit to boost retirement earnings far beyond what’s fair. I don’t begrudge the bus drivers their pay or their benefits or their retirement plans, but I do begrudge them this time-honored scam for putting taxpayers on the hook for excessive pensions. Nelson isn’t a poster boy for overpaid bus drivers — that charge really is bogus — but he is a poster boy for this kind of pension abuse. It should stop.”

“President Obama talks on the phone with Prime Minister Naoto Kan of Japan”
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Obama: I’m telling you Prime MInister, Kansas can beat Duke. You don’t see any basketball player from Kansas carrying my bags do you?
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Thx for the correction!

*snicker*

Commencing ‘daily assault on conservatives’ in 3…2…1…*

House GOPers won’t be blinded with science.

But Rep. Ed Whitfield (R-Ky.), the chairman of the panel’s Energy and Power Subcommittee, said Republican legislation to block EPA climate rules is not about climate science. It is instead about preventing the EPA from passing climate regulations that Republicans say will hobble the economy.

“For us to be sitting around talking about the science, I think it’s a strong argument to be made on the other side, but the issue here is that the Clean Air Act is not the appropriate vehicle to regulate something like this,” Whitfield said.

“I think my friend from Kentucky made a good argument about why he doesn’t want to see regulation, but it wasn’t a very convincing argument about why you would reject this amendment,” Waxman countered.

“You can disagree with how EPA acts, but you shouldn’t argue therefore that we shouldn’t even consider the science,” he said. “This is science denial. It’s not worthy of this committee.”

(*from some insipid statement earlier this week…I’m not anti-conservative; I’m anti-stupidity)

American Oil Production Spikes Under Obama, Prices Still Soar

With a graph!

Yesterday several folks here on the left were apoplectic because an Republican AZ politician was not arrested because of a limited immunity clause in the state’s Constitution. I wonder if they will show they same outrage of other criminals being released to be home in time for dinner?

Eight Out of Ten Illegal Aliens Apprehended in 2010 Never Prosecuted, Says Border Congressman

Washington (CNSNews.com) – An illegal alien apprehended by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency during the last fiscal year had an estimated 84 percent chance of never being prosecuted, according to figures compiled by the office of Rep. John Culberson (R-Texas).

Culberson submitted the figures for the record during a hearing Wednesday of the House Appropriations subcommittee on homeland security.

Of 447,731 illegal aliens apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol during fiscal year 2010 (which ended last September), only 73,263 (16.4 percent) were prosecuted, according to the submitted data. That means that 374,468 illegal aliens that were taken into custody (83.6 percent) were never prosecuted.

Border Patrol is a component of the Customs and Border Protection agency at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

Describing the situation during the hearing, Culberson said that those who were not prosecuted “had a chance of being home in time for dinner,” after being in custody for a few hours.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/eight-out-ten-illegal-aliens-apprehended

“What are they wanting?” she said of the bill. “For everyone to be making minimum wage?”

It is not that there are no jobs, but rather that the jobs available pay too little and have no benefits, resulting in, as Mr. Beaver put it, “just scraping by.” A private hospital and two power plants do offer good jobs, but they are highly competitive and many require some higher education, something that fewer than one in five people here have, according to 2009 census data.

So most people scrape by, as Ms. Taylor did before landing her state job in 1996. At the time, she was living in a trailer and working in low-wage jobs at Wendy’s, Dairy Queen and a Big Lots discount store. Her hourly wage jumped to $9 when she started at the Gallipolis Developmental Center, a state home for mentally retarded people, up from $5.25 at a private nursing home.

“If I wasn’t working at the G.D.C., I’d have to work around the clock,” said Chris Smith, Ms. Taylor’s colleague, referring to the center, where she has worked for 20 years. “I’d have to work two or three jobs to keep at this level.”

The Taylors are not college educated, but their public-sector jobs have made them middle class. Together they earn about $63,000 a year, a sum that puts them squarely at the middle point of earnings for American families, and higher than the $50,000 earned by the typical Gallipolis family.

Money is still tight. When their washing machine broke in November, they had to put the new one on a credit card. They could not afford college for either of their sons. One is in the Marines, and the other, a high school senior, just enlisted.

The NPR ‘sting’ debunked.

This post went up days ago, and Beck has been greatly enjoying the praise and attention he’s received for being so fair and balanced. And then, as Politico reports, he lightly trashed O’Keefe and Andrew Breitbart:

“The problem with this whole thing is does James O’Keefe have enough credibility to continue to do” undercover video journalism? Beck asked his listeners. That kind of journalism, he said, is “just really not something that you necessarily want to get into. But if you do it, you damn well better not lie on the tape. You don’t now take what you have and edit something to make them say something that they didn’t say. I mean, you have no credibility then.”

Beck went on to claim he’d been “cautious” with the ACORN videos (which is stretching it) and made reference to the Shirley Sherrod incident, which is generally not talked about on the right except to say that somehow Breitbart was totally right.

(can’t wait to see the contortions generated by this)

No one seems to address the apparent understaffing. If there is enough work for an extra driver, which the overtime hours clearly indicates, they should hire the extra driver. I know, that would promote mass transit and create middle class jobs at the same time, but maybe they should consider it anyway.

On another ironic note; more illegal immigrants deported under Obama than under Bush.
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Priceless: comparing illegal immigration to beating someone up as a false equivalence.
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GOP don’t want to clamp down on people hiring illegal immigrants. Such as big agro and places like Wal-Mart.
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Also – the same behavior, of not prosecuting illegal immigrants, but instead catching and releasing is a practice we’ve used since Ronald Reagan first gave amnesty and to this day.
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Because it’s just too expensive to prosecute and incarcerate all those immigrants.
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What’s even more ironic – this is a big deal for Freeinpa who don’t want to expand our government and don’t want to pay taxes. What do you think you need to build more prisons and hire more public servants? Taxes.
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Just so he can pretzel logic himself out of defending some @sshole hitting his girlfriend.
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Way to go – I hope you didn’t waste your time coming up with this lame excuse for a abhorrent behavior and that you’re simply carbon copying someone else’s lame excuse. Tribal bubble intact.

“with a graph”
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Now if the enviro-whackos would only tell you what it really meant. Bu then you would not have nay talking points.
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Capacity utilization for oil production has a historical average of about 97% in the US. It fell to around 90% in 2006 and 92% in 2008 as the economy slowed. It is now at 105% (yes according to the utilization calculation is can exceed 100%). It has nothing to do with the number of sites producing but output being raised at others. Factors for the increase have nothing to do with Obama but with technological gains such as hydraulic fracking and horizontal drilling.
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Now matter how many dim-wit misunderstood charts you produced new production sites have ceased to grow here in the US by Obama dictates.

“On another ironic note; more illegal immigrants deported under Obama than under Bush”
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On another note you avoid the issue.

Of course when you make a statement based on a gross number the reaosn could be as simple as you can have more deported because you have a higher percentage coming in.

It’s a good thing that both Metro and the union looked at this; I rather have them hire new people than paying overtime to someone that obviously seems to do it to take advantage of his seniority.

There are no contortions except by you. How are you now supporting an “idiotic lying wind bag like Beck” (among things he has been called by left).
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But having principles or standards aren’t your forte

I don’t think they want to pay the benefits, most of which are even greater than the OT.

“On another note you avoid the issue.

Of course when you make a statement based on a gross number the reaosn could be as simple as you can have more deported because you have a higher percentage coming in.”
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On another note – I didn’t. I pointed out several problems with your rant and the direct result of it. You read maybe 2-3 sentences and go spastic.
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The @sshole who hit his girlfriend thanks your hard work for him.

Windows at Washington, D.C. Republican Office Shot Out: In Other Related News Nancy Pelosi Was Found On Shooting Range On Tuesday
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Freeinpa,
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So you’re now admitting that these ‘stings’ were just BS and we’re @ssholes for claiming that you or anyone else would defend the ruse?

Mainly just to prove when people like Grapey-crush can post lies, the tables can be easily turned.

“this is a big deal for Freeinpa who don’t want to expand our government and don’t want to pay taxes. What do you think you need to build more prisons and hire more public servants? Taxes.”
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You need to throw your talking points away because you sound like an idiot as you continue to repeat lies that the left spreads.

Enforcing laws does not “expand government”. It is one of the few duties conservatives expect from the government And if you deport the (pick your favorite number of millions) of illegal immigrants you won’t need to build more prisons.

What we don’t need from government is a bureaucrat telling us how to eat, or where we can smoke or put a label on an electric appliance that says “do not use in water” or that we have to buy health insurance among countless of other things

Law and order and defense – 2 things that run counter to liberal philosophy.

There’s a reason why Sherrod is suing the pants off of Breitboy: He LIES. REPEATEDLY.
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RustFreep, he’s been exposed as doing the exact same thing you accuse liberals (i.e., anyone to the left of you) of doing. Zero credibility. Why do you support him?

2 ex-Dem leaders charged in fake tea party scheme
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Pontiac— Two former high-ranking members of the Oakland County Democratic Party are facing various election corruption charges in a bogus tea party scheme, Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper and County Sheriff Michael Bouchard announced Wednesday.
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Former Democratic Party Chairman Michael McGuinness and ex-operations director Jason Bauer, both of Waterford Township, were arraigned Wednesday before Oakland Circuit Judge James Alexander.
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They face charges related to Independent Tea Party filings, false affidavits and forged documents that occurred between July 23 and July 26 last year.
Both stood mute to the charges and were released on $25,000 personal bond each, pending an April 13 hearing before Alexander.
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The charges include felonies that carry up to 14 years in prison. Neither could be reached for comment.”

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Gee these courageous democrats, they are always playing fair and by the rules. You can really trust these guys so much, I swear.
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Desperate people do desperate things.

President Barack Hussein Obama, or is he legally our President?
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This is the top post on Rusty Rod’s NewFreedomBlog.
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And it’s a lie.
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Might want to stay in your spider hole, Rod. People are laughing at you.

So, Freep, what you mean to say is…
“I don’t believe – what I just SAW!” –Jack Buck
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“Factors for the increase have nothing to do with Obama but with technological gains such as hydraulic fracking and horizontal drilling”
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That fracking, boy, kinda messes with your groundwater.

Days and days old. Beck did say that the raw footage compared to what was released was “highly edited”, meaning they took out the really egregious parts of what Breitbart and O’Keefe got on tape to expose NPR and sent them out to the media.
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What Beck has said only points out that fact. Beck also said that NPR is a snake, the venous mouth of the liberals and progressives who have held rein over this country for over 80 years now. He still believes that NPR and their hordes of liberal rats are all still evil and despicable, that hasn’t changed one iota.

RustFreep is being very libertarian today. He doesn’t want government to protect him from the many ways he can kill himself.
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Live free or die!
Slowly.

Several months ago, Bauer was suspended from the Oakland Democratic Party after it surfaced that he encouraged interns to write bogus “help me” letters from nonexistent residents in support of a medical program backed by a Democratic commissioner.

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If these morons were GOP, Rusty Rod would be circling the wagons around them and telling us it’s all an insidious plot masterminded by George Soros.

Mainly just to prove when people like Grapey-crush can post lies, the tables can be easily turned.

So point out where Grape_Crush lied? Seems like it would be easy enough. Or are you admitting to making things up yourself, like the Pelosi snark?

For the record, I mentioned nothing about Bleck. (it’s Thursday – BECK.)

Harry Reid Has A Dream: ‘EXTREME’ TEA PARTY WILL BE ‘SHORT-LIVED’
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Dream on Harry. We have only begun to fight the likes of you in Washington. Your nightmare has only just begun!!

“snake”, “venous mouth”, “hordes of liberal rats”, “evil and despicable”
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Rusty Rod is fired up today! Go, Rod, go!

Oooo, All Caps! I just can’t wait to see what Glenn beck has told Rusty Rod to say this morning!

More On The Watergate Like Democrats Attempting To Smear Tea Party
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I love it. Watching these scumbags get caught and exposed.

they took out the really egregious parts

Just like the took out the “really egregious parts” of the Shirley Sherrod video?

Let’s see they earn 26% more than other in that town where an average house costs $92,170 or $617/month for a mortgage. Let’s assume take home pay is about 70% after taxes, that’s a take home pay of $3.675/mon.–$3,000 after mortgage is paid. The cost of living in this town is 17% below the US average. And yet according to the article – they struggle.

Why does this appear to be another liberal created sob story?

Maybe the next article can tell us why the major industries have left these shores? Oh yeah we know the reason, labor priced them out of business. But at 26% above average income we may now know why HC costs are skyrocketing.

Only Republicans should have guns….

Don’t flatter yourself foghorn, I was calling grapey-crush out for his LIES not you this time.
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Read for a change, Einstein.

Don’t worry, folks! Even though Rusty Rod uncapped it, this is still a link from Glen Beck’s THE BLAZE!
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Hey Rod, do you get paid by the link or do you just do this because Glenn Beck tells you to?

The right wing is sure letting its freak flag fly high, isn’t it?

Using unusually harsh words, a potential presidential candidate echoed some previous comments: claiming that Planned Parenthood’s original mission was to “help kill black babies before they came into the world.”[...]

In response, the group said that Cain is using “inflammatory and divisive language based on race to achieve extreme political goals” of ending legal abortion.[...]

“Herman Cain is clearly out of the mainstream by supporting an extreme proposal that would bar Planned Parenthood health centers from receiving federal funds for any purpose, including for preventive health care, lifesaving cancer screenings, breast exams, birth control, HIV testing and STD testing and treatment,” said Veronica Byrd, Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s director of African-American Media. “The care that Planned Parenthood provides benefits all women, especially African-American women who experience higher rates of illness.”

Byrd continued: “Planned Parenthood doctors and nurses provide affordable, health care to every woman who comes through the doors of one of our 800 health centers, regardless of where she lives, her race or ethnic background, religion, sexual orientation, or income level. We are committed to providing every woman with a full range of high quality health care.”

As for the claim regarding African-American babies, Byrd cited a study that “found that fewer than one in 10 abortion clinics are located in predominantly African-American neighborhoods.”

Can’t wait for this to entrap the AG, WH counsel, and eventually the President. Where’s Sam Ervin when you need him?

Frankly free I do not care about illegal immigrants. The problem isn’t illegal immigrants.
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Jesus said what you do to the least among you, you do to me.
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With that in mind, What I do to some, I do to myself What society does to the least of them, they do to themselves. What the GOP does to the least of us, they do to the rest of us. The GOP is the problem.
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The GOP just doesn’t care about you.

“There’s a reason why Sherrod is suing the pants off of Breitboy: He LIES. REPEATEDLY”
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No the reason she is suing is because she can. In a loser pays system she might not have as many takers.
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“So you’re now admitting that these ‘stings’ were just BS”
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Not at all. I am merely questioning the mental competency of you, grape nuts and others who have denigrated, smeared and name called Beck as a serially liar and now you are using him as “proof”.

Entering minute fifteen of her fifteen minutes.

For the first time in Post-ABC News polling, fewer than six in 10 Republicans and GOP-leaning independents see Palin in a favorable light, down from a stratospheric 88 percent in the days after the 2008 Republican National Convention and 70 percent as recently as October.

In one sense, the poll still finds Palin near the top of a list of eight potential contenders for the GOP nomination. The former vice presidential candidate scores a 58 percent favorable rating, close to the 61 percent for former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee and 60 percent for former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, and better than the 55 percent that onetime House speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.) received.

But Palin’s unfavorable numbers are significantly higher than they are for any of these possible competitors. Fully 37 percent of all Republicans and GOP-leaning independents now hold a negative view of her, a new high.

I know you spasticly post everything on THE BLAZE, Rusty, but why would you post the same story twice?
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(Assuming its the same, seeing as both are about 2 Mich dems and the TP)

“And it’s a lie.”
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How can a question be a lie? Must be that liberal nuance.

Desperately Attempting To Gain Credibility: MSNBC One Of The Multiple Shills For Obambi Compares Him To Churchill
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“Did MSNBC’s Martin Bashir just compare Barack Obama to Winston Churchill? Yes he did, with Churchill portrayed as a chain-smoking, stogie lover who drank all day and painted landscapes to beat depression while Obama is seen as a man strong in character who has defeated the demon nicotine and shuns alcohol.
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Not only is this comparison patently unfair to Winston Churchill, it turns a blind eye to Obama’s predilection for golf and vacations. This Sunday the Obamas are off to Rio for yet another vacation. And even London’s Daily Mail has taken issue with the amount of golf played played by Obama, pointing out that this President has played more rounds of golf in two years than Bush did in eight.”

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Golf and Basketball Brackets. Wow, this guy sure does burn the midnight oil.
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Hey Hillary, whose answering those 3 AM phone calls to the White House?
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“Enforcing laws does not “expand government”. It is one of the few duties conservatives expect from the government And if you deport the (pick your favorite number of millions) of illegal immigrants you won’t need to build more prisons.”
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Wait a minute – so Obama is deporting MORE illegal immigrants than Bush did but you directly object to the fact that we’re not prosecuting them. And if the end result is that we end up deporting them for it, we just wasted the money prosecuting them just to do what we’re doing now, which is to catch and release. In order for us to prosecute we need to hire more people. First to detain, then to prosecute, then to incarcerate unless you want to catch and release. In other words we expand government. Unless by expand you are confusing expand their role. So if you’ve been b!tching about the governments expanding role all these years I don’t really know why you’re always complaining about too many public servants. It’s either too many public servants (expanding government payroll) or expanded role (more laws and regulations). They’re not always related.
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So first you write this
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“will show they same outrage of other criminals being released to be home in time for dinner?”
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Then you write this
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“And if you deport the (pick your favorite number of millions) of illegal immigrants you won’t need to build more prisons.”"
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So what is it – capture, prosecute and incarcerate or catch and release? You seem confused.
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“What we don’t need from government is a bureaucrat telling us how to eat, or where we can smoke or put a label on an electric appliance that says “do not use in water” or that we have to buy health insurance among countless of other things”
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You think the government tells you to not use in water? The companies do after some dumb@ss did it so they can’t be sued again.
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No one is telling you how to eat, just that we need to think about what we eat. The many gasbags on the right is proof positive that no one is forcing them to eat healthy. And yes – no one should be able to blow smoke in my face in public. Why? Because science have proven it dangerous and It’s not your right to endanger me, just as I don’t have a right to do anything to you. Get over it bub – go ahead and kill yourself in the privacy of your private property, but you don’t have the right to demand to do it in a public space. I’m with you on the health insurance because HR is not designed to lower the cost since there are no caps on how much a insurance companies can raise their premiums. Theoretically more participants should lower the cost, but since there’s no law against insurance companies raising premiums and we’re now forced to have one, companies could just increase to benefit their profit margins.
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It’s not like we have the choice to NOT take it anymore.
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“Law and order and defense – 2 things that run counter to liberal philosophy.”"
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Says he who keep on defending someone hitting his girlfriend and trying to confuse his own point about illegal immigration.
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1 – if we prosecute illegal immigrants it’ll cost you more. If we incarcerate them we need to build prisons which costs you more and more public servants to prosecute and incarcerate means more public servants and a bigger government.
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2 – Obama is kicking out more illegal immigrants than Bush. If you keep conflating what Obama and Democrats do with liberals in average (broad brush) than logic stands that we’re tougher on illegal immigration.
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3 – We’re tougher on illegal Immigration and you want @ssholes that hits their girlfriends to avoid prosecution because of legal technicalities. Why is it a legal technicality? Because no one in their right mind meant for that to be used as a get out of jail free card for hitting anyone.
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But what am I saying – keep on defending him, by all means. It speaks more about you than what you think about me and illegal immigration THAT I AM COMPLETELY AGAINST.

Show me the birth certificate!

“The first thing I would do in the first debate is offer my birth certificate so we can get that off the table,” Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann said last week when asked about a potential presidential run. Bachmann, who recently came out as birther-curious, has been toying with the idea of mounting one of those fake presidential campaigns lately, because it would bring her attention and money, and attention and money are what she lives for.

Bachmann claims to have been born in Waterloo, Iowa, but when the Minneapolis City Pages asked to see her birth certificate, her office did not produce it. So I guess we’ll just have to take her word for it that she was born in the United States.

Keep those comments coming boys. I love it!!!!

No the reason she is suing is because she can. In a loser pays system she might not have as many takers.

That’s quite a disconnect from reality you got going on there.

One more Obama lie. Transparency suddenly has a different meaning. Once again the left is silent about a President hell-bent on silencing and punishing any critics

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Homeland Security Department demoted a senior career employee who confidentially complained to the inspector general that political appointees were improperly interfering with requests for federal records by journalists and watchdog groups.

The new Republican chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee investigating those practices told the Obama administration that the decision “appeared to be an act of retaliation” and warned, “Obstructing a congressional investigation is a crime.” The department responded that it had done nothing wrong.

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., urged Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to remind employees about their rights and whistleblower protections and “make DHS managers aware of the consequences for retaliation against witnesses who furnish information to Congress.”

Issa accused the administration of improperly demoting Catherine Papoi, the former deputy unit chief in charge of the Freedom of Information Act. It escalated the political drama over a broad congressional inquiry into President Barack Obama’s promises to improve government transparency

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/17/top-lawmaker-protests-whistle-blower-demotion-2/#ixzz1GucDC6mq

Gee, mori-the-moron defends criminals. Good job mori, your integrity and honesty shines like a beacon to the rest of the libtards on your side.

This just in: Obama has played more rounds of golf in two years than I have in twenty!!!!!!! SOUND THE ALARMS!

Gaddafi’s Last Stand!! Obama Goes Golfing, AGAIN!! Thousands And Thousands of Libyans DIE Because Of Obama’s Lack Of Leadership
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* U.S. raises possibility of air strikes on Gaddafi forces
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.* Foreign intervention may be too late

* Fighting rages along road to Benghazi
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TRIPOLI/BENGHAZI, March 17 (Reuters) – Libyan troops pushed forward towards the insurgent stronghold of Benghazi on Thursday and launched air raids on its outskirts as Washington raised the possibility of air strikes to stop Muammar Gaddafi’s forces.
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But the international debate on what action to take may have dragged on too long to help the anti-Gaddafi uprising, now struggling to hold its ground one month after it started.

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Doesn’t it make you PROUD to be an American? Obama golfs or makes basektball picks and thousands of Libyans die because he is either too stupid or inept to make any decisions.

I think she is waiting to produce her’s at the same time Obambi the Kenyan wonder-boy brings his real birth certificate forward, not the fake ones he’s been peddling since 2008.

“So point out where Grape_Crush lied?”
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I have on more than one occasion. He then jumps to his immediate defense of ignoring the issue and obfuscation through name calling

“Not at all. I am merely questioning the mental competency of you, grape nuts and others who have denigrated, smeared and name called Beck as a serially liar and now you are using him as “proof”"
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I am?
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I didn’t write the Slate article and I didn’t say Beck was right about anything.
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We already know that it was all BS before Glenn tried to play the honest one.
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You’re a hoot – just this outside observer pointing out the follies of liberals. We’re evil for pointing out the erroneous BS on your side and we’re hypocrites for pointing out tools on your side that might see the light we already knew and pointed out. So are we in this case saying – see one of your guys noticed what we already knew or are we going – WOW, I never thought about it until Glenn said it?
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And I’m not worried that Glenn have seen the light – he’s just trying to boost his cred. He’s still a charlatan and clown and anyone that listens to his garbage need a tin foil hat and a blindfold since eyes are particularly useless.

“How can a question be a lie? Must be that liberal nuance.”

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Well in libtardo la-la-land, anyone who would are to question the great One on anything MUST be a liar or lying.
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That is how they have been handed their talking points. The playbook of libtards is to 1. Call you a liar or 2. Call you a racist. No need to back anything up with facts what-so-ever.
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Isn’t that right, mori-the-moron?

“Maybe we’re supposed to pray for a GOP jobs plan”

But putting all of that aside, why in the world would GOP officials — the ones who vowed to focus like a laser on the economy — bother with this? For months, the new House Republican majority has wasted time on health care bills they know they can’t pass, abortion bills they know they can’t pass, climate bills they know they can’t pass, and budget bills they know they can’t pass. They’ve invested considerable time and energy on defending the Defense of Marriage Act, recklessly accusing Muslim Americans of disloyalty, going after NPR, and pushing culture-war bills related to vouchers, English as the “official” language, and now “In God We Trust.”
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In the meantime, we’re still waiting for that elusive Republican jobs plan to come out of hiding. They’ve been at this now for 10 weeks; they’re bound to take unemployment seriously one of these days, right?

“He then jumps to his immediate defense of ignoring the issue and obfuscation through name calling”
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I find it a little strange that Freeinpa would talk about himself in third person like Tarzan but I’ve read and seen stranger things.

Unlike many other states, Texas does not ban workplace discrimination based on gender identity, sexual orientation, or marital status. But don’t be alarmed; the Lone Star State is working on that whole civil liberties thing. Last week, Republican State Rep. Bill Zedler introduced HB 2454, a bill that would establish new workplace protections for proponents of intelligent design. Here’s the key part:

An institution of higher education may not discriminate against or penalize in any manner, especially with regard to employment or academic support, a faculty member or student based on the faculty member’s or student’s conduct of research relating to the theory of intelligent design or other alternate theories of the origination and development of organisms.

And you thought Berkeley was crazy. On the upside, maybe the University of Texas will be able to help a few of the folks who are falling through Texas’ fraying social safety net. Out of a job? Come up with an elaborate theory about how a flying spaghetti monster created the universe. A tenured professorship awaits.
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http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2011/03/texas-bill-would-outlaw-discrimination-against-creationists
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The GOP just doesn’t care about you.

“Keep those comments coming boys. I love it!!!!”
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Seriously, please pull up your pants again. It’s not the small size that is disturbing but the act.

“Read for a change, Einstein”
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So do you support Breitbart or not?

Uh Oh, Obama Is In Deep Doo-doo Now, Joan Baez Is Slapping Him Up-side The Head Now!
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Baez helped start Amnesty chapters in the Bay Area in the early 1970s and has served on the national board of the organization, which has activists in more than 150 nations. Grammy winners Steve Earle and Saúl Hernández will perform at Friday’s tribute, at which Baez will receive an award named for her that will be given annually to an artist who has helped advance human rights.
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Former President Jimmy Carter will address the anniversary conference via video.
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“Whether marching arm in arm with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. or stuffing envelopes at our first home office in San Francisco, Joan’s commitment to human rights has known no bounds,” Amnesty International USA Executive Director Larry Cox said in a statement. “It is no exaggeration that many attending this annual conference are direct descendants of a human rights family that Joan created. Her devotion is a constant reminder of what can be accomplished when one will put herself on the line to effect change. We are grateful for her lasting legacy.”
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Baez: Part of that stuff comes from just being in office. I’m not defending him at all, but I know that people with those ideals and dreams, once you get into office, your hands are tied by so many people. My concern with Obama is, I don’t know who he listens to. He’s a Nobel Peace Prize winner — as kind of silly as that was and premature (no $hit Joan) — but he could meet with Nobel Peace Prize winners who have moved mountains and he could do extraordinary things by not falling into the trap that I think he is: of waking up in the morning and meeting with the military. So that’s all he gets for input, unless we can make ourselves heard somehow.
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Do us proud Joanie, write one of those good anti-war protest songs we know you are good at girl!! Really get that liberal base fired up. I am sure there are a few good “Cops are PIGS” songs you can throw in there for good measure!!

“Doesn’t it make you PROUD to be an American? Obama golfs or makes basektball picks and thousands of Libyans die because he is either too stupid or inept to make any decisions.”
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This just in – after bombing his troops to a pulp and the rebells took over, the Muslim Brotherhood takes over and takes complete power in Libya. Newfreedom spends 2 years crying about ‘WHY DID OBAMA HELP INSTALL THE NEW CALIPHAT!’
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Bombs have consequences – moral fluidity has none. GOP seems to abondon Afghanistan…wonder why?

I was calling grapey-crush out for his LIES not you this time.
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Whose lies? Beck or Breitbart/O’Keefe’s?
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I’m just posting a link. How is a link to something a ‘lie’?
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It’s so fun watching your head explode, Roddy.

“not the fake ones he’s been peddling since 2008.”
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I’m glad you’re finally out of the birther closet, Rusty Rod. It makes your lunacy a lot more obvious.

“I don’t believe – what I just SAW!”
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Not at all. Its more of a case of you don’t understand what you believe.
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Or facts be damned liberalism full speed ahead (into that oncoming train)

“If these morons”
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Here’s a free tip Rusty Rod: ‘Moron’ is not a term of endearment.

“I didn’t write the Slate article and I didn’t say Beck was right about anything.
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We already know that it was all BS before Glenn tried to play the honest one.”
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Ah the weasel is out early today. You knew nothing before or after Beck. You made assumptions based on your ideology since you have no proof than other liberals saying what you believe. So either your answer was based on nothing by ideology or you have to agree woth Beck no matter how weaselly you want be.

” but I’ve read and seen stranger things.”
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Especially if you bother to read your posts. But liberals are consistent as you provided proof of what I posted. Is irony the left word of the day? I lost track..But you have straw man to false equivalency so now you have 3 days of non-responses.

That has to be the longest 15 minutes I’ve every seen!

‘Meanwhile, global-warming fears have positioned nuclear power as a proven alternative to fossil fuels that works even when the sun isn’t shining and the wind isn’t blowing, producing 20% of our electricity and 0% of our emissions.’

Michael Grunwald’s article on nuclear power is a little out of date on the current state of solar technology. Modern solar thermal plants, using reservoirs of molten salt heated by the sun during the day, produce electricity 24/7.

The only reason Bush never filled out a bracket is because there isn’t a tournament for cheerleaders. Or drug-addled fighter jocks who protect Texas from….Oklahoma.

I have on more than one occasion.
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Nope. You’ve just whined about how much I lie without ever proving that I am actually lying.
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Now you, on the other hand, are not just a liar but a a particularly poor one. You’re just not smart enough to lie effectively, Freeper.
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There is one thing you’re right about, Freeper. I do think that I’m better than you. The reason I think that is because, well, I am. I don’t contort myself or my logic to fit my biases, I back up my opinions with evidence, show compassion, stick up for regular Americans, and do a bunch of other things that you don’t/won’t/can’t.
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In a nutshell, I conduct myself honorably while you do not. That’s why I’m better than you. You know it, everyone knows it…and you wear that rejection as some sort of messed-up badge of honor whenever it’s pointed out.
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You have no honor, freeper. Just bile to spread around.
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(now dance for me, wingnuts)

“On another note – I didn’t. I pointed out several problems with your rant and the direct result of it. You read maybe 2-3 sentences and go spastic”

Possibly but when you first sentence is nonsense or an incorrect assumption the rest can’t worth reading..
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“The @sshole who hit his girlfriend thanks your hard work for him.”
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So you do want selective enforcement of laws that you agree with and ignore ones you don’t. There is the liberal arrogance we have all grown to see and laugh at

Well I guess that makes you unqualified to be a Democratic candidate for President. No wait, he is unqualified too!

For some perspective — there are practical difficulties to be considered.

Illegal immigration presently accounts for about 38% of all criminal filings in the Federal courts. Increasing the number of those filings by a factor of 6 or more will require a few changes.

Assuming that the system disposed of all those new cases at the rate of four per day per courtroom, over 350 new District Court judges and magistrates would be needed, along with their courtrooms, support facilities and staff. That would be maybe a 25% – 30% increase in the size of the Federal judiciary at that level, plus a corresponding increase in the size of the appellate system. And some of them would undoubtedly be activist judges willing to legislate from the bench.

Furthermore, the vast majority of immigration cases apparently result in convictions. Incarcerating all those people would roughly triple the number of prisoners held by the Bureau of Prisons. Which means tripling the number of Federal cells and jails.

It’s simply not possible to prosecute an additional 364,478 illegals with the current system, regardless of who the President is. Expanding the system sufficiently would take years and cost billions and billions of dollars, in a time when budgets must be cut to the quick. And if you really want a nonintrusive Federal government of sharply limited powers, ballooning the number of courts and prisons is a hell of a way to do it.

The numbers above are from my calculations and may well be in error, but the point stands. Under the current reality, kicking most illegal immigrants back across the border is the only real option.

“I’m anti-stupidity”
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But liberalism is the definition of stupidity! So why do you hate yourself?

I guess RustFreep thinks BO spending five minutes out of his waking day to complete a bracket is wasteful when there’s so many other items that can take five minutes to fix.

“So you do want selective enforcement of laws that you agree with and ignore ones you don’t. There is the liberal arrogance we have all grown to see and laugh at”
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The only people who are laughing are those that read your straw man. I never claimed that I want illegal immigrants here or that we shouldn’t enforce our immigrations laws. You just don’t want to admit that you’re carrying water for an @sshole that like to hit women. Thanks for your hard work.
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And yes – enforce out laws.

Desert!! Hillary Is Pounding The Pavement To Create JOBS!! Yippee!! Finally This Administration Gets It!! Oh…..Jobs In Tunisia, Oh Dear, Oh My, “Hey Hillary, Over Here!! We Need Jobs HERE!!!
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US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton pledged Thursday to help Tunisia create jobs and undertake reforms to keep the momentum behind the revolution that overthrew its president two months ago.
The chief US diplomat began talks with interim President Foued Mebazaa, who replaced the ousted Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, after saying that an international donors conference would help to focus minds on Tunisia’s needs.
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New government officials and other Tunisians understand “we need a plan for economic development, for jobs,” Clinton told reporters during a tour of Tunisian Red Crescent offices.
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“There’s going to be a donors conference that will be held in some months. I’m going to be sending a delegation from the United States,” said Clinton who arrived Wednesday in Tunis as the most senior US official to visit since Ben Ali’s ouster on January 14.
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“So we want to know what Tunisia wants. We don’t want to come in and say here’s what the United States believes… Then we want to work on plans… a plan for health, we want to help do what we can to have a plan for jobs,” she said.
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“The revolution created so many hopes and now we have to translate those hopes into results and that comes through economic reform and political reform,” Clinton told Tunisian reporters.

Your sourcing answers the question I posed to you earlier.
You support Breitbart, even though he’s a proven liar.
Thanks for answering.

Desert….Dessert…. Pick one, you are in Tunisia

NY TIMES DISSES FOX NEWS AUTHORS – BEST SELLERS LIST IS NOW POLITICIZED: CONSERVATIVES NEED NOT APPLY
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By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN
March 16, 2011
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It’s been widely reported that Bill Keller, the Executive Editor of The New York Times, doesn’t like Fox News – and has utter contempt for its conservative audience. He makes no bones about it. According to Keller, those who watch Fox News are “among the most cynical people on planet Earth.”
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Now it turns out that he doesn’t like books written by Fox News contributors. So on Sunday -for the first time since the New York Times Bestsellers List first appeared in 1942, best selling political books will not appear in the Hardcover Non-Fiction List. Instead, those books will be relegated to the Advice, How-To and Miscellaneous List, along with The 4 Hour Body and Weight Watchers New Cookbook.
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On Sunday, the following books will appear on the Advice list:

2. Simple Government, Mike Huckabee

3. Revolt!, Dick Morris & Eileen McGann

6. Win, Frank Luntz
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What do those authors have in common? Just one thing: Huckabee, Morris, & Luntz are all Fox News contributors.
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Last week, the Wall Street Journal listed Simple Government as #3 and Revolt! As #5 bestselling “non-fiction” books in the country (including Advice books!). That was based on Nielsen point-of-sale data. But, that was too much for The Times – two Fox News contributors in the top 10 of all non-fiction books sold. So, The Times decided to cook the list.
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The ghettoization of the Fox news books inside the How To list has an important impact on sales. It means that many stores won’t put Revolt!, Simple Government, and Win up front with the best sellers but will assign them shelf space back with cookbooks, marital advice, and diet books. We hope you ferret them out anyway and show the Times the limits of its power.
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The New York Times is once again showing its liberal bias in overtly politicizing the best sellers list. Conservatives and Fox News commentators need not apply. Now, it’s not just the news that’s way over left, it’s the best sellers, too.
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And the motto of The Times is “All the News That’s Fit To Print.” Talk about cynical.
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But maybe there’s another reason for Keller’s uncontrollable animosity towards Fox News and Rupert Murdock. Since Keller took the helm, things have not been looking too good at The Times. Circulation dropped by more than 10% – and profits were down 26% in the last quarter of 2010. Meanwhile, Murdock’s Wall Street Journal continues to grow. With a circulation of over 2,000,000 and a new Metro section in direct competition with The Times, the WSJ is the undisputed star of the newspaper world.

Yea somethings Breitbart has come out with may have been questionable, but nothing to the degree we see daily coming out of the likes of Media Lies Matters, or Daily Chaos or Huffington Post now AOL News.
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It is just a matter or degree of spin and to which side they spin the most foggy.
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Why isn’t Hillary working on jobs right here in America? Can you answer that one?

“Ah the weasel is out early today. You knew nothing before or after Beck. You made assumptions based on your ideology since you have no proof than other liberals saying what you believe. So either your answer was based on nothing by ideology or you have to agree woth Beck no matter how weaselly you want be.”
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I know, believe you, not my lying eyes. Sorry, but I think I will believe the unedited material over what you think you believe about ‘my’ ideology or whatever you think you know about me.
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Again – we already know it was sh!t – it’s a pity that it took Glenn so long to come to the same conclusion about something most common sense people already knew. BTW – you want to see the definition of a weasel – above you’re trying to obfuscate illegal immigration with your defense of a guy who hit his girlfriend.
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Your hate is on a roll today.

GOP seems to abondon Afghanistan…wonder why?

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Because going all the way back to Alexander the Great, we have known that a ground war in Afghanistan is pretty much un-winnable?
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Bush II realized that and did minimal, but the “Great One” or new “dear” Leader saw an opportunity to make his mark as a big pro-military man. Problem is he is too stupid to realize he can’t make one iota of a difference there.
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Why do you still support Obama in this un-winnable war?

Ooooo! Oooooo! The WSJ is smart! The NYT is DUMB!

Let’s all sing along, just to make Ol’ Hippy Hatin’ Rusty Rod a bit more angry!
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And standing there as big as life
And smiling with his eyes
Joe says, “What they forgot to kill
Went on to organize,
Went on to organize.”
“Joe Hill ain’t dead,” he says to me,
“Joe Hill ain’t never died.
Where working men are out on strike
Joe Hill is at their side,
Joe Hill is at their side.”

“Especially if you bother to read your posts. But liberals are consistent as you provided proof of what I posted. Is irony the left word of the day? I lost track..But you have straw man to false equivalency so now you have 3 days of non-responses”
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Shorter – I hate liberals and in my hatred of liberals I can say and do exactly what I accuse them of, because someone told me that liberals are and were mean to me/us.
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That’s the rational right? Never admit that you’re wrong, always be on the offensive because liberalism is a mental illness?

“Why do you still support Obama in this un-winnable war?”
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Eh, because I don’t and I didn’t support Iraq? It’s called consistency and it has nothing to do with whom happen to be in power.
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Still doesn’t explain why you’re so willing to jump into the next mess…or is this just another edition of Obama so I must say the opposite.

“Why isn’t Hillary working on jobs right here in America? Can you answer that one?”
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a) It’s not her job
b) Helping other countries’ citizens to find work makes them productive
c) Said citizens will be happier
d) Countries’ economies will become more stable
e) See a).

Ok then, Freep, put your money where is mouth is.
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Is President Barak Obama the legitimate president and a United States citizen?
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Can you simply say you don’t like President Obama and disagree with his almost all of his policies, without needing a conspiracy going back to the 60s to cover up his true identity?
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Or are you with Team Rusty, and think he’s really a Kenyan Muslim in disguise?
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We need to purge the crazy from both sides. Whether its idiot Dems pretending to be Tea Partiers or Rusty Rod and his Obama is the 12th Iman Kenyan Muslim crazy talk.

Hippo says:
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” liberalism is a mental illness?

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Yes, easy answer. Most definitely. The truest words you have ever uttered from your keyboard. Good job!!

Watching YouTube could soon be a crime.
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White House wants new copyright law crackdown
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20043421-281.html
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Coming soon: ASCAP fees for humming a recognizable tune in public.

“Yes, easy answer. Most definitely. The truest words you have ever uttered from your keyboard. Good job!!”
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At least your skill to copy and paste out of context and add some 12 year old grade funnie haven’t diminished. Kudos to your ‘wit’.

But liberalism is the definition of stupidity!
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In the dictionary, next to the actual definition of stupidity, is a picture of Rusty…
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…but if you look closely, you can see that Rusty is holding a picture of you, Freeper.

Obama is a socialist for enforcing corporate interest. RDW will come along and explain why this makes sense.

Really, Free? Coming out of the birther-closet finally? No one has ever questioned whether Obama is old enough, so what else would make him unqualified? And be a dear and make sure to cite the Constitution. (Has the GOP in the House even done that yet?)
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For the record, we asked Paulie the same question the other week and got nothing but crickets.

Perhaps because it isn’t the Secretary of State’s job to create jobs?
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What has the GOP done to create jobs? Can you answer that one?

Wait, I got this.
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Fascism is a lefty religion because some guy wrote a book and said so. Socialism is also on the left and is totally the same as communism. Therefore, socialism=communism=fascism!

np042,
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yes, Newfreedom and Freeinpa are both birthers. I don’t know about earl, 3x, meltdown. RDW says no and paule says no too with the caveat that if there was something there Clinton would have found it.
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We don’t know about textee can anyone decipher his garbage?
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The funniest moments are when Newfreedom starts ranting about Truthers. Popcorn time.

Back in the news!!! Yes indeed everybody. The latest from Obama’s old buddy and pal, JEREMIAH WRIGHT!!!
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Ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh……………
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no, I don’t get it. Mah brain told me that you can’t mutiply stupid. It’s a zero sum game.

Can I request a fresh video from the new black panthers. I’m to lazy to search for it and they’re so hilarious. All 2 of them.

“What has the GOP done to create jobs? Can you answer that one?”

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Sure can.
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1. Spending cuts, or at least are attempting to cut spending thereby putting more dollars into people’s pockets instead of into failed government programs. Cutting waste fraud and abuse, again to put more money back into the economy to create jobs.
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2. Kept the tax rates at their current rates rather than to impose major tax hikes on everybody. Democrats solution was and they are still fighting to increase the taxes on small businesses thereby forcing them to not hire people, and de-stimulating the economy.
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3. Republicans calling for the end of Obama’s moratoriums on oil drilling, especially in the Gulf. Open up the vast oil reserves in Alaska as Sarah Palin has been talking about for the past 2+ years now. Democrats call to continue the moratoriums will cost of more jobs. Keep gasoline prices high is what the Demwits have decided for us to appease their environmentalist extremists in this country.
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4. Cut the massive pension and benefit packages costing trillions to public sector Union workers. These programs are not only costing the tax payers massive amounts of taxes out of their pockets, but also causing States to become bankrupt in the process. Money that could go into the economy spurring recovery is instead going into the pockets of Union Fat Cats and their Thugs who are protesting in places like Wisconsin.
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Want anymore?

“But liberalism is the definition of stupidity!

lib·er·al·ism –noun
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1. the quality or state of being liberal, as in behavior or attitude.
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2. a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties.

What is “stupidity” for you is the soul of democracy for the rest of us.

“…the venous mouth of the liberals and progressives who have held rein over this country for over 80 years now…
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Yeah, that’s why the country is circling the drain. Because liberals have been in charge for the past 80 years.
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I’d just like to ask: what drugs are you taking and where can I get them?

shepherwong@4.3,
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Isn’t this the definition of stupidity?
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http://detnews.com/article/2011/03/17/METRO02/103170380/1409/2-ex-dem-leaders-charged-in-fake-tea-party-scheme

Newfreedom,
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I think he was looking for stuff that they’re doing that’ll grow jobs, not what will strangle it.

hippooath@29.1,
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How’s this, hippo?
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1) And in the process firing the people who worked at those “failed government programs.” Also cutting programs that benefit the lower and middle class.
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2) Really? It’s the tax rates that are keeping small businesses from hiring?
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3) As has been said over and over, opening up more drilling now will do nothing for gas prices in the short term. American drilling is at the highest it’s been since ’03. As someone else mentioned, there are numerous, unused drilling permits that companies are sitting on as well.
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4) Trillions? Trillions?! Gonna have to see some kinda source on that one Rusty. Of course, you lose all credibility when using terms like “Union Fat Cats” and “Thugs.” Does that also mean that the CEO’s of the bailed out banks shouldn’t get multi-million dollar bonuses? Afterall, it should go back into the economy, right? I mean, it’s not like the union members are gonna put the vast majority of their money right back into the economy or anything.
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Also, what hippo said. It’s all fine and good to list these broad, vague ideas. But how about something concrete? Like how the Gov of Florida turned away the federal money, which would have led to the creation of thousands of jobs and an influx of millions into the economy.

nflfoghorn@26.1,
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The NYT is not dumb, they are just terminally ideological. They choose leftist ideology over success.

npo42@28.2,
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The roots of fascism are socialism.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html

nflfoghorn@27,
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What is her job?

Nice link. Interesting that Mussolini was a socialist before a fascist. However, you seemed to have missed this little gem:

Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism

Paule,
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Didn’t you brag about how you were the originator of stuff? We’ve already covered that one and we agree…those guys are morons.

npo42@28.5,
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Really?
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http://jonjayray.tripod.com/musso.html

npo42@5,
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So what? Any credit for a surge in domestic production belongs to George Bush.
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My proof. Barack Obama, himself, said, just the other day, that it takes 5 years for new drilling to take effect.

newfreedom…@11,
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This same Harry Reid?
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If there’s anything I can’t stand it’s bad history. Fascism = Socialism? Why? Because they both focus on the state? Well, if that’s the definition, then Czarist Russia would be Socialist, since the Czarist government controlled everything.

If you want proof, let’s take the way-back machine and look for a leftist who was a Nazi sympathizer. You won’t find any. What you will find are a lot of Right-Wing Corporatists who drooled over themselves in their love for Hitler and Mussolini. (Some even wrote books about it.)

Bottomline: Fascism is all about Order and Power (and money).

momentomori@22.1,
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Or we could sing this…
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“The roots of fascism are socialism.”
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No
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I’m not saying that because the first links says so
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“Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism”
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But because its wrong.
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The second is pure fabrication of recorded history.
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Why don’t you list the expressed view of 10 of the leading historians in the world instead of what someone who YOU share your belief in thinks. One is reality the other is what you would like it to be.

publius2000@28.7,
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Czarist Russia was autocratic. Fascism and Socialism in all it’s forms were totalitarian.
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Really? No leftist supported Nazis? What about Stalin? He supported the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Stalin and Hitler agreed to divide up Poland between them.
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hippooath@28.8,
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Another view…
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http://www.lawrence.edu/sorg/objectivism/socfasc.html
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Fascism/Socialism – Statism

Actually Mussolini was a member of the Socialist Party. He came from the left. Organizing unions and such. You know how much the left loves it some union.
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The Facist movement in Italy came from the left. It has been leftist propaganda and revisionist history that sells the idea that it’s roots were from the right.
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http://www.la-articles.org.uk/fascism.htm
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In 1913, while still editor of Avanti!, he began to publish and edit his own journal, Utopia, a forum for controversial discussion among leftwing socialists. Like many such socialist journals founded in hope, it aimed to create a highly-educated cadre of revolutionaries, purged of dogmatic illusions, ready to seize the moment. Two of those who collaborated with Mussolini on Utopia would go on to help found the Italian Communist Party and one to help found the German Communist Party. (3) Others, with Mussolini, would found the Fascist movement…

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Some Who Became Fascists

Robert Michels was a German Marxist disillusioned with the Social Democrats. He became a revolutionary syndicalist. In 1911 he wrote Political Parties, a brilliant analytic work, (17) demonstrating the impossibility of “participatory democracy”–a phrase that was not to be coined for half a century, but which accurately captures the early Marxist vision of socialist administration. (18) Later he became an Italian (changing “Robert” to “Roberto”) and one of the leading Fascist theoreticians.

Hendrik de Man was the leading Belgian socialist of his day and recognized as one of the two or three most outstanding socialist intellects in Europe–many in the 1930s believed him to be the most important socialist theoretician since Marx. He is the most prominent of the numerous Western European Marxists who wrestled their way from Marxism to Fascism or National Socialism in the interwar years. In more than a dozen thoughtful books from The Remaking of a Mind (1919), via The Socialist Idea (1933), to Après Coup (1941) de Man left a detailed account of the theoretical odyssey which led him, by 1940, to acclaim the Nazi subjugation of Europe as “a deliverance.” His journey began, as such journeys so often did, with the conviction that Marxism needed to be revised along “idealist” and psychological lines. (19)

Two avant-garde artistic movements which contributed to the Fascist worldview were Futurism and Vorticism. Futurism was the brainchild of Filippo Marinetti, who eventually lost his life in the service of Mussolini’s regime. You can get some idea of the Futurist pictorial style from the credits for the Poirot TV series. Its style of poetry was a defining influence on Mayakovsky. Futurist arts activities were permitted for some years in the Soviet Union. Futurism held that modern machines were more beautiful than classical sculptures. It lauded the esthetic value of speed, intensity, modern machinery, and modern war.

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So, as I said previously, some guy says fascism=left, therefore socialism=communism=fascism?
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All that site does is take a bunch of one-liners from Mussolini and try to equate them to what “Modern-day leftists” think. It’s the same thing you and your ilk, the likes of Rusty and Freepy, do here everday. You paint “liberals,” that is, everyone to the left of you, with this giant, broad stroke and argue against that. It’s the definition of a straw man. For example, there are quotes like this:

Modern-day Leftists too seem to seek influence outside the normal democratic channels — from strikes and demonstrations to often successful attempts to get the courts to make law

It a) paints all “leftists” with the same brush and b) ignores the demonstrations of the right, the attempts by the right to get the courts to make law, and the other things that the right does to “seek influence outside normal democratic channels.”
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Or you have this,

Leftists today also tend to regard consumerism as gross

which is downright absurd.
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Or how about this?

Modern-day Leftist demonstrators too seem to be more interested in dramatic actions than in any coherent theory

Again, those ubiquitous “leftists.” Not to mention that sounds a helluva lot like a lot of Tea Party gatherings as well; lots of anger at the way things are, no idea what their gonna do to actually fix anything.
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One more

To this day the basic free market doctrine of “laissez faire” is virtually a swear-word to most Leftists

It’s like all this guy knows is a charicature of what “leftists” think and argues against it. Again, definition of a straw man.
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I should also mention that this guy is Australian and is likely approaching this from an Australian or, at the very least, British view of politics, which doesn’t really fit our system. Unlike us, Australia and England both have an actual liberal party instead of a non-far-right party.

The Teleprompter in Chief has been plugged in and is now reporting the news. I guess he heard that his golfing and March Madness picks were not a big hit.
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He should get his own show: “Obama Reads the News.”

hippooath@4.5,
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Got a late start today. It’s tough keeping up with all the examples of liberal fatuity. I’ll try to do better.
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I am glad to see that liberal Swampers are not throwing themselves on their swords to defend these two dipsticks in Michigan. You are finally getting wise to yourselves.

Maybe we should be digging and exporting salt. The chinese are all going nuts trying to buy up salt.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/la-fg-china-iodine-salt-20110318,0,4281601.story?track=rss
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But, Obambi would probably find something wrong with that too, and stop it.

npo42@28.11,
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Quibble all you like, but the fact remains that Socialism and Fascism are statist ideologies. They are “forms of government in which the government is given complete or extensive control over the lives of it’s citizens.”

Gaddafi warns the rebels, “This is your last warning, we will show no mercy”.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/la-fg-china-iodine-salt-20110318,0,4281601.story?track=rss
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Thousands and thousands of Libyan rebels will soon meet their deaths. Obama? Does nothing as usual. Yes they are making it look like they are doing a little by having Hillary jet-setting all over the Mediterranean, but nothing much else is going on. Oh yea, they did put in a “request” to the totally ineffective UN, but we all know where that will go.
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And, we have all of our usual libtards still backing this quack of a President and defending him every chance they can. Nothing short of amazing.

Honest question: why it is the US’s responsibility to police the world?

*is it*

I’m not denying that.
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Socialism, specifically taken to the extreme in communism is the statism of the left. Fascism is the statism of the right.
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No one is denying that they have similarities, only that it’s absurd to ignore history and claim that fascism is a thing of “leftists.”

libermeltdown@30,
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History has a way of biting you in the arse. That is probably why is is no longer seriously taught in the liberal controlled public school system.

npo42@33.1,
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As sad as it may be, the fact is that without the US the world would be controlled by barbarians. The wolves are gathering, the long knives are out, and Obama is engaged in making NCAA tournament picks.

33.1, China would be better for you? Pick your favorite.

In a perfect world, it isn’t the responsibility for the US to be the world’s policeman. I would agree 100%. But, unfortunately we do not live in the perfect world you so want to have.
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I believe we are at a major cross-roads in this country. We either pursue our best interest which includes wars like Afghanistan, or we call it quits now. Bring home ALL troops from every corner of this earth. Put those same military men and women on our borders, ports, where ever they are needed, Lord knows they won’t have a job anyways.
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Your answer, isolationism.
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But, I also see a golden opportunity to take out the likes of Gaddafi. A tyrant, dictator and ruthless evil man. Most likely he would kill his own child if it meant he would stay in power let alone a few thousand rebels.
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Heck we are already in debt up to our eyeballs what is a few more jets flying over Libya shooting down Gaddafi’s planes?

npo42@28.13,
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So what is the difference? The goals are the same. Control over the lives of the citizens.
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Fascism and Socialism both subscribe to the same discredited belief that humanity can be perfected with just the right amount of control.

“History has a way of biting you in the arse. That is probably why is is no longer seriously taught in the liberal controlled public school system.”
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History is not what you’re born as or defined only as the first x years. History is the recorded part of what someone or a nation or a slice of time means.
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He might have started out as a socialist but he ended up as a fascist. The polar opposite of what socialism is about.
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So if a Republican changed party affiliation to the democratic party after he have voted 70 percent conservative and he keep voting pretty much 70 percent conservative is a Democrat for having a D next to him or is he conservative based on his record?
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I know that you guys don’t understand that concept very well and that’s why you compare liberalism to what YOU think it is, not what we know what WE stand for.
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Fascism is on the right because of what ideas it lines up with, it’s not on the left because you say that Mossie her was a socialist as a youngster. Clever you’re not and you are now stripped of your superior intellect badge.

liberalmeltdown@33.4,
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Barack the Uncertain is reported to have said that; “It would be easier to be the President of China.”
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1. He would prefer to be an autocrat. Or…

2. He finds being President of the world’s lone superpower too difficult.
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Either way, we are screwed.

newfreedom…@33.5,
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What you say is true, but there is a temptation to allow Arabs to stew in their own juices. They are notoriously ungrateful. The more we help them, the more they hate us.

hippooath@30.2,
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Wiggle all you wish, but Fascism and Socialism are kissing cousins. In their extreme forms, they will kill anyone who disagrees with their ideology. They are statist ideologies which ignore the rights of the citizens in order to provide the needs of the state. And that, my friend, is the lesson that history teaches.

I agree paulejb. Part of me says stay out, part says let them fight their own battles. Part of me says if we have a chance to put in democracy seeds which will grow and create more democracies around the world then we should. But, it is a damned if you do, and damed if you don’t situation.
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Isolationism back in the early part of the last century proved to be a total failure for us. We got the likes of Hitler and Stalin as a result. Do you want someone like these two to come to the forefront if we retreat within our own borders?

Plus I will add to 33.8, we have the greatest of all unknowns, Obama. His demonstrated abilities at foreign policy have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt he is totally clueless. Lacks the experience, wisdom and judgement necessary to tackle this type of situation as President. All we can hope for is that those who are advising him do so in our best interest. Depending on him is like depending on a 3 year old to drive you to the emergency room if you were having a heart attack.

hippooath@29.1,
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I am disappointed. I fulfill your request at 29.2 and don’t even get a nod in return. You people are ingrates.

pb&j @ 28.9

I knew you would throw the Stalin trope. Yes, I know of the Pact of Steel. That was a case of Realpolitck (“the enemy of my enemy is my friend”). We did the same when we alied ourselves to that devil.

Also, that brief alliance doesn’t qualify as admiration for either one. They hated each other’s guts. If you know your history, you would know that, during the Sudetenland Crisis, when the West was set to go to war to defend Czechoslovakia, the Soviets were ready to form an alliance with Britain and France. Once appeasement set in, Stalin was disappointed and figured that the West wasn’t worth helping out. Hence, Molotov’s and Ribbentrop’s lovefest.

As for autocrats and statists, I think if you look real hard, the right-wing has enough people who would follow the path of what you call “statism”. See what is happening in Michigan for proof.

newfreedom…@33.8 & 33.9,
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What we might well get could make Hitler and Stalin seem like minor nuisances. Hitler and Stalin may have been insane but they were not crazy. That can not be said of radical Islamists. Their goal is to get a nuke which they will use in a heartbeat.

“Wiggle all you wish, but Fascism and Socialism are kissing cousins. In their extreme forms, they will kill anyone who disagrees with their ideology. They are statist ideologies which ignore the rights of the citizens in order to provide the needs of the state. And that, my friend, is the lesson that history teaches.”
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I’m sorry – but this is not about me. This is about history and facts. You can try to revise history and facts all you want but that won’t change anything. I personally don’t understand why people have to revise basic history just to somehow feel better about themselves. You’re not a fascist just because that political ideology is on the right. Other than revising history so you feel you have the ‘right’ to call liberals fascist, it servers no purpose what so ever. We use history and historians look at recorded history to learn lessons. You seem to use it as a political ploy to call ‘liberals’ names.
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That’s just idiotic and a ‘history’ lesson you can freely unlearn.

Sorry fellas! Spin it any way you like, but Fascism is all yours. It’s the end-result of extreme conservatism.

As I stated above, during the 1920′s and 30′s, it was the Right in this country and Europe who admired and promoted Mussolini and Hitler. Many of them were (horrors!) capitalists. One of them, Graeme Howard, a GM Executive based in Europe, wrote a book in 1940 called “The New World Order” which stated that America would have make deals with Hitler and that the Nazis would be our bulwark to the big bad commies to the East. Nazi Germany was seen by many a right-wing anti-communist as a buffer to the Soivet Union.

These are proven facts. I know you would prefer your own spin of things. But, it doesn’t refute the fact that Fascism belongs to the Right.

Note that theTaliban House Republicans have proposed CUTTING the money for border enforcement in the master list of cuts in the 2010 budget so I guess that it isn’t the Republican issue, except at election time), And, of course, for freepa. Apparently he hasn’t read his note from Paul Ryan to change his mind.

publius2000@28.15,
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Stalin almost allowed the destruction of the Soviet Union in 1941. He refused to listen to his military advisors who were warning him that the Germans were preparing to invade. Stalin was convinced that his pal Adolf would never turn on him. It was only due to the bravery and sacrifice of the Russian soldiers that Stalin’s Soviet Union survived the original German onslaught.
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The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact guaranteed the flow of needed war materials from Russia to the Germans to aid in their war with the west. Those deliveries were being made right up to the day of invasion of Russia on June 22, 1941.

Gee, freepa, so overpaid at $18,900 a year! That amounts to about 1 second for one of those bosses who earn $20 million or more a year. What a crock. Corporations wonder where the buyers are but when you ship their jobs overseas, they don’t need any of the better things of life and their fellow executives don’t need 20 of anything to make up for it.

publius2000@30.5,
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Why than was Hitler’s party named the National Socialist German Worker’s Party?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-mcgrath-goodman/killing-your-own-the-trut_b_835485.html
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Killing Your Own: The Truth About Oil Speculators
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“Did you know there’s a watchdog agency in Washington responsible for keeping an eye on the energy market? It is called the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. But rather than fulfilling its mission with marine-like precision, its chairmen mostly use it as a way to cozy up to Wall Street in exchange for the lucrative jobs they really want. In fact, as oil shot to its peak in July 2008, the CEO presiding over Nymex was none other than James Newsome, the previous chairman of the CFTC.”

Not one liberal here would defend what these men did. We will not use the strawman defense.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/03/17/trump_fool/
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Make-believe billionaire Republican candidate Donald Trump is a birther now (3x married, 4x bankrupt candate)
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He explained the source of his doubt: “He grew up and nobody knew him. You know? When you interview people, if ever I got the nomination, if I ever decide to run, you may go back and interview people from my kindergarten. They’ll remember me. Nobody ever comes forward. Nobody knows who he his until later in his life. It’s very strange. The whole thing is very strange,” he added.

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http://obamasneighborhood.com/friends.html
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Dean Ando was one of Obama’s childhood friends starting from 5th grade
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Tom Boyle, a Honolulu-based filmmaker, is also a ’79 grad from Punahou. He became friends with Barack in the 7th grade. The two participated together in study hall, PE, boys choir and football.
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Rev. Darin S. Maurer enjoyed years of pursuing dreams of basketball greatness with Barack (Barry) with great memories of the closeness that comes from sharing such an effort, regardless of how it ends. It actually hasn’t ended it seems, as both have kept their enthusiasm for playing through the years after Punahou won the State Championship in ’79.

“I am glad to see that liberal Swampers are not throwing themselves on their swords to defend these two dipsticks in Michigan. You are finally getting wise to yourselves.”
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I’m not and never will be in the habit of covering for anyone that do stupid things. But you might want to tell Freeinpa to stop holding bags for people who like to beat up women. That’s not an indictment of you or conservatives. Only him. That’s the difference between you and I. I’m not what you think because you think I’m liberal – I am what I am based on what I do.
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Try it out.
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And maybe I’m finally wise…it’s just a pity that this comment comes from someone who is 10 gallons shy of it.

http://www.digtriad.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=150232
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Indonesia: Obama’s Childhood Friends And Teachers Share Memories
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Donald, you’re fired.
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Cause: Stupidity and and bad hair.

What about the lend lease deal that we had to Soviet?
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Did that make us communists?
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Look, you have history and data and you use logic to figure things out. Just because you have 2 words doesn’t mean that they’re glued together because you’re to lazy to analyse the data and use logic to make sense of it.

Let’s push newrusty over the edge:
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One more: Woody Gutherie, “Ludlow Massacre”
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“Why than was Hitler’s party named the National Socialist German Worker’s Party?”
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Why is it that history revisionists always drop this lame dud as ‘proof’ that fascism and socialism are the same?
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Here’s logic for you – why do people wear wigs? Lets assume that it doesn’t have anything to do with a fashion statement.
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Is it because they want to appear like they have hair?
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According to you – because Hitlers nazis had socialism in the name it meant that they were socialists because it’s in the name.
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Yet there’s no historical data that they behaved nor adopted any of the socialistic ideas. Quite the opposite. The very regime tried to destroy socialism. Your argument is to ignore recorded history and what fascism lines up with; corporatism. And instead you want us to look at only two things – that both socialism and fascism where lead by one dictator and that Nazism have socialism in its name.
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Ignore the very difference, concentrate only on words.
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So lets adopt this thinking to our two parties. You are now Republic only. Or representative democracy. I’ve erased every single difference between our two parties because you have decided to ignore historical data. Both our parties are elected through votes. We’re considered democratic on the scale of democratic to autocratic.
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You and I belong to the same political ideology. There are no differences between you and I.
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That’s your logic. You are not according to your rules to look at anything else.
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Also – The Democratic party is automatically democratic because it’s in it’s name. You are not allowed to use any historical data that shows otherwise because that’s irrelevant. Yours is the republican party so that’s republic and representative democracy.
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You see how idiotic your way of doing ‘history’ is? Where you ignore everything relevant historically because it’s ‘in it’s name’ and you pick specifics out of something you don’t or do like.
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Do you see what I did there? I used logic. Or rather your lack of logic to pick apart the simplistic ‘clever’ ruse you put together.
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You know why historian and scientists spends decades learning stuff? Because that’s whats required to get a big picture and find and analyse data.
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Reading a article by xyz that ‘speaks’ to you is what ignorant people do.

Why is it everytime I hear most of the Villagers talk about reforming SS it is in the context of raising the retirement age, privatizing, or cutting benefits? Klein’s idea is never seriously discussed. Could be the Villagers are protecting themselves?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/wonkbook_how_to_lift_the_debt_ceiling_and_save_social_security_in_one_easy_step/2011/03/10/ABG57Yj_blog.html?wprss=ezra-klein
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How to lift the debt ceiling and save Social Security in one easy step
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The only fix that garnered majority support was lifting the payroll-tax cap so that all income, rather than just the first $107,000, got taxed. That’s a reform, I’m confident to say, that the Senate’s liberals would have less trouble swallowing, and according to the Congressional Budget Office, it would wipe out virtually all of Social Security’s shortfall.

“hippooath@29.1,
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I am disappointed. I fulfill your request at 29.2 and don’t even get a nod in return. You people are ingrates.”
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You people? You have a odd way of aknowledge that I as a induvidually didn’t thank you for posting something as irrelevant as what Newfreedom did.
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Who are those people you’re talking about?

When I want to find out about history or political science, I look up someone who has studied in the field, who has taken enough trouble to get a degree, and whose work is peer-reviewed. Michelle Bachman’s qualifications on writing about President Obama’s history are . . . ?

hippooath@4.7,
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I don’t know you, hippo. So I can’t say if you were one of the “move on” crowd when Clinton was caught getting his wick polished. But I have observed that libs do tend to side with the miscreant rather than the victim or prosecutor. Just ask Paula Jones or Ken Starr.
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I am not freeinpa’s keeper, nor am I a keeper for anyone else other than myself. Take you beefs up with freeinpa.
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Stop being so defensive. Not every comment I make is about you personally.

apr2563@5,5,
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I have an idea. Let’s inflict some real pain on these speculators who are driving the price of oil. Barack Obama can announce tomorrow that all bets are off and the US can extract oil anywhere it can be found. That will drive down oil prices.

apr2563@22.3,
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Not all union bosses are the salt of the earth, apr.
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@22.5
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Okay. Let’s try again…
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hippooath@28.17,
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“What about the lend lease deal that we had to Soviet?”
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What about it? It has nothing to do with this conversation. Publius 2000 challenged me to come up with a leftist that sympathized with the Nazis. I have him the biggest leftist of them all, Joe Stalin. Stalin and Hitler were in bed together until Hitler turned on him..
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Which is all beside the point that I have proved. That Fascism had Socialist roots.

30.5 Extreme Conservatism? The were sooo conservative that they didn’t want anything to change? Funny.
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Here is a review of “Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning” It leave out another major thing that Fascism and the Progressive had in common: eugenics. You progressives should read it. I
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Mr. Goldberg makes an excellent case exposing the progressive roots of both classical fascism and Nazism (aka National Socialism) and their connection to contemporary and later “liberal” and left wing ideology. In particular, he draws on the American progressive movement of the early twentieth century. Much is startling (though historically well attested and no historian has disproved Goldberg’s facts) and shows that mid century fascism is not some “far right” perversion, but well in keeping with the ideals of the left at the time. One wonders why, since most of this information is quite easily assessible, and the obvious socialist leanings of the Nazis and fascists generally, it has remained obscure for so long. (Conservatives would say the leftist runnings of universities)

Goldberg does focus largely on a great deal of American characters who may be more well known to his US readers than those on this side of the pond. This may be problematic to some British readers. It would be interesting to trace the British connection to all this.

However, the book is full of invaluable information. Goldberg divides up the 20th century into 3 American ‘fascist’ (by which he means authoritarian/statist) periods. The first (and nastiest) was under Woodrow Wilson, the racist Aryanist Democrat president (he happily segregated the White House after years of blacks made inroads there, for example) who Goldberg considers the father of the modern Left/Liberal/progressive thinking. Next is FDR, whose New Deal (admired by the Left to this day) is strikingly similar to Nazi economics. Finally he looks at the youth movement of the 60s which founded the modern obsession (shared by fascist states) with environmentalism, identity politics, health living etc. The similarity between the ‘new left’ and National Socialism has been observed by many people even on the left itself.

Finally Goldberg has some fun critiquing Hollywood’s ‘Liberal’ films for fascist themes (and not the obvious ones) and having a laugh at modern health food fads, anti-smoking campaigns (pioneered by the Nazis) and leaves us in no doubt as to what side of the political divide Hitler would fit on if alive today.

Although many academics have been brought forward to try to disprove Goldberg’s facts, none has been able to do so.

hippoath@30.7,
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1. You evaded the question. The Nazis chose to name their party the National Socialist German Worker’s Party. No one made them do it. It was their choice. Why do you suppose that was?
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2. Hitler on capitalism… “We are not fighting Jewish or Christian capitalism, we are fighting every capitalism: we are making the people completely free.” Speech of April 21, 1921.
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3. In an interview with George Viereck in 1923, Hitler was asked to define socialism. Hitler replied; “Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused it’s meaning. I shall take Socialism away from Socialists.”

Any other questions, hippo?

ippooath@36,
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Those people know who they are.

I just came from a family dinner – yes, a family diner, not a second New Year’s Eve – to celebrate it and nobody seems to remember here that there is day with my Name on it:
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Happy St Patrick’s

Who would have thought that breathing clean air, eating healthy and not smoking was facist! This goldberg fellow is an absolute visionary!

Happy St Patrick’s day to you also.

Psychiatric Meltdown:

Right wing belief: American exceptionalism

Fascist belief: German, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese exceptionalism

Right wing and labor: Shut down unions

Fascists and labor: Shut down unions

Fascism and the military: More military spending at cost to all else

Far Right and the military: More military spending at cost to all else (but less than fascists).

Fascism and minority rights: Oppose minority rights

Far Right and minority rights: Oppose government programs or policies which provide for minority rights

Fascism and Communism: Communists must die

Far right and Communism: Communists must die

Fascism and corporations: strongly support corporations at the cost of labor and the environment

Far right and corporations: Strongly support corporations at the cost of Labor and the environment

Fascism and foreign policy: War against Poland and France to gain land and resources

Far right and foreign policy: Invade Iraq to grab the oil

Immigration and the far right: Opposed

Immigration and Fascism: Opposed

Human Rights and Fascism: The holocaust

Human Rights and the far right: Abu Ghraib and Gitmo

Fascists and history: Depict history of own nation as perfection include parades with archaic costumes

Far right and history: Depict US history as a perfect and wear archaic costumes

Fascism and Religion: Require prayer of majority religion in government offices (except Germany which is 40% Catholic and 60% Lutheran)

Far Right and religion: Prayer in school lead by teacher

Fascism and science: Irrational already archaic Eugenics and Phrenology

Far right and science: use Irrational and already archaic intelligent design and climate change denial

Fascism and elections: Candidates must be approved by fascist party

Far right and elections: democratic

Far right and liberals: hatred

Fascist and liberals: hatred

Basically the Tea Party as well as the George W Bush administrations are Proto Fascist.

You mean these guys?
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I guess it was just an accident that this part of the “voter intimidation” video was edited out.
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It looks like a right winger with an agenda is intimidating the camera man.

Now I understand Patty. You kissed the Blarney Stone after the bulls used it as a toilet.
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Happy St Patrick’s Day anyway.

“I don’t know you, hippo. So I can’t say if you were one of the “move on” crowd when Clinton was caught getting his wick polished. But I have observed that libs do tend to side with the miscreant rather than the victim or prosecutor. Just ask Paula Jones or Ken Starr.”
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I’m me. Ask where I stand and base your argument on that. Automatically assuming things is idiotic.
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“I am not freeinpa’s keeper, nor am I a keeper for anyone else other than myself. Take you beefs up with freeinpa.”
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That’s interesting. You automatically indict me because I’m a ‘liberal’ but you give a freepass to Freeinpa for something he actually wrote because you’re not his keeper. It’s not about whether or not you’re his friend – it goes to the idiotic assumption that I am what you think I am based completely on what you think about me politically – but Freeinpa for something he actually stands for just doesn’t interest you.
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“Stop being so defensive. Not every comment I make is about you personally.”
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Defensive? You made it about me. Make up your mind – is what you think I vote irrelevant or not? You seem to want to generalize about me and others here but at the same time pretend to be neutral about it.

“What about it? It has nothing to do with this conversation. Publius 2000 challenged me to come up with a leftist that sympathized with the Nazis. I have him the biggest leftist of them all, Joe Stalin. Stalin and Hitler were in bed together until Hitler turned on him..
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Which is all beside the point that I have proved. That Fascism had Socialist roots.”
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Of course it has something to do with the conversation. You make the erroneous connection that fascism have socialist roots because they had a pact together. So if that’s true following your simplistic logic America has to be socialistic too since we had a lend lease agreement with Soviet. Not to mention England – they were not conservative at all – they were in fact leftist because they had an alliance with France.
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Or Nato – a lot of the countries in Nato are left leaning, some could even be considered Socialistic democracies at some points. That means that we in extension of having a Alliance (pact) are also Socialistic.
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See how simplistic thinking leads to ignorant conclusions?
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Stalin didn’t sympathize with Hitler. Both planned on destroying each others even as they signed the pact.

“1. You evaded the question. The Nazis chose to name their party the National Socialist German Worker’s Party. No one made them do it. It was their choice. Why do you suppose that was?”
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Because the answer is so simple; all you have to do is to read prominent historians. They picked it so they could get votes from people who considered voting for the Communists. They certainly didn’t do it because Hitler harbored any feelings towards workers.
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“2. Hitler on capitalism… “We are not fighting Jewish or Christian capitalism, we are fighting every capitalism: we are making the people completely free.” Speech of April 21, 1921.”
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Then he turns around and ally himself with Capitalists only. And slaughter unions. It’s called lying. It’s not like he ever lied before.
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“3. In an interview with George Viereck in 1923, Hitler was asked to define socialism. Hitler replied; “Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused it’s meaning. I shall take Socialism away from Socialists.”"
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And then he turned around and allied himself with Corporations. It’s not like he’s not known for lying.
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“Any other questions, hippo?”
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Only one – are you trying to provide facts or are you simply trying to prove what you think?
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He destroyed unions and slaughtered the Communist party. He aligned himself with industrialists and capitalists. He gave power to corporations and took away all power from workers.
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If there was any socialism in anything he did, it was simply a calculated way for him to gain power through workers and then leave them at the altar.
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That is the legacy he left before he shot himself in the bunker.
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As I tried to explain – it’s really not in a name or what someone says. It’s in the result of actions. Nazism isn’t fascist because Hitler was a dictator – it is fascist because what fascism stands for. That’s how we compare things. That’s what historians do. They look at the historical evidence. Kind of like being sick; it’s a big difference if you’re sick with a virus or a bacteria, even if the symphtons seems the same. That’s why facts and analysis is so important.
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But whatever – I doubt I’ll change your mind – if you want to walk life making sh!t up and change history you can. It’s your problem if you want to look ignorant.

“Those people know who they are.”
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Don’t be a clown. If you claim to be smart and clever you should at all cost avoid coming across as a simpleton.
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So who are they? Do you have the moxy to translate that?

“Mr. Goldberg makes an excellent case exposing the progressive roots of both classical fascism and Nazism (aka National Socialism) and their connection to contemporary and later “liberal” and left wing ideology”
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Actually he doesn’t. He was cut by the knees when wellknown historians that have spent decades researching the matter reviewed it. They’re not just a bunch of ‘liberals’. They’re historians. Goldberg is outspoken saying that he’s tired of liberals accusing conservative of being fascist so he wrote it to get back at them.
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He’s a blogger that spent probably a summer writing a convoluted hit piece on history to get back at liberals.
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In other words – he had no historical interest in looking for a sordid truth – he smacked together factoids in order to make assumptions about real historia.
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Here’s one nugget that shows just how stupid his thinking is – Hitler was a vegetarian. Liberals are vegetarian (I don’t know one personally and I love meat) so ergo Hitler is a liberal.
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I’m sorry – but if you see logic in that you’re going to need a head exame.
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http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/historians-stand-liberal-fascism-and
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If you go to this link it links to the many historians that reviewed this book.
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Again – I will take a Historians word for it before I will ever take a bloggers word about history, that spent a summer putting together a hack job just so he could get even with ‘liberals’. But I can see why you think this guys is awesome.

pauliejb: I don’t recall ever claiming all union bosses were noble. I remember Nixon’s friend Jimmy Hoffa. I wrote in a comment here about my dad driving us past Dave Beck’s house and saying it was built by union dues.
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Now, what Dad did was work to clean up the unions and kept the faith that they were the best fortress against the proven greed of the corporations.

Patrick, many years ago I was in a hospital on Saint Patrick’s Day trying to give birth to my son. I really wanted him born on Saint Patrick’s Day, not because I have a drop of Irish in me, but because I wanted labor to end.
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Having remnants of my Catholic faith and the wisdom of a number of Irish priests, I sent up prayers to Saint Patrick, sang my “Wild Irish Rose” in homage, and yelled at my husband. No luck.
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The kid held on to the womb until the next day.
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So, Saint Patrick failed me and I refuse to pay homage to the man who drove the snakes from Ireland. What did he ever do for me?