Morning Must Reads: Freed

(White House/Pete Souza)

–CIA contractor Raymond Davis has reportedly been freed by Pakistani authorities after families of his victims accepted compensation.

The latest from Japan:

The widespread feeling of dread surrounding the nuclear crisis intensified further Wednesday when, for the second consecutive day, a fire broke out at reactor unit number 4, where 15 highly radioactive spent fuel rods are being stored in a pool of water 45 feet deep. The 50 remaining TEPCO workers at the Daiichi plant, who are tasked with trying to cool the reactors down with seawater, were hustled into a protective room as radiation levels spiked higher. They remained there for 90 minutes, but were able to resume work when radiation levels fell.

–Obama stands pat on nuclear energy.

–Miami’s mayor gets ousted in a recall: “The spectacular fall from power comes after two years of missteps, ranging from granting top staffers big pay hikes to construction of a publicly funded stadium for the Florida Marlins to implementation of a property-tax rate increase that outraged an electorate struggling through an ugly recession.”

–How these two numbers get reconciled will go a long way to determining if Mitt Romney’s rivals will be able to knock him off in the presidential primary: 60% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, including 68% of self-identified conservatives, approve of him. At the same time, 61% of GOP primary voters say they wouldn’t vote for someone who supported a state-level individual mandate.

–What Haley Barbour might be thinking: Yesterday’s Washington Post/ABC News poll found a majority of Republicans, 56%, want an Afghan drawdown to begin this summer. That’s far less than Dems or independents, but substantial nonetheless; plus, it’s a segment of primary voters no other prospective Republican presidential candidate has appealed to yet.

–A resolution authority with teeth? The FDIC, now responsible under Dodd-Frank for seizing and dismantling failing megabanks, has proposed a rule that could claw back as much as two years of executive pay at sinking firms.

–Tim Geithner sticks up for Elizabeth Warren over her role in helping to negotiate a settlement between state attorneys general and mortgage servicers.

–The Obama administration is reportedly considering a new “shock and awe” mortgage modification program that could hit up major banks to the tune of $30 billion. Yves Smith chews it over.

–Reauthorization of No Child Left Behind probably won’t happen by Obama’s fall deadline. The drawn out budget debates hurt its chances by sucking up a lot of Congress’s time and making any deal on a significant spending package increasingly elusive.

–Continuing resolutions are an awful way to run a government:

The budget impasses cost the Veterans Health Administration (VHA) $1 million in lost productivity and more than $140,000 in extra work for the agency’s contracting office, GAO said. The FBI estimated it spent more than 600 extra hours holding planning meetings and monitoring agency resources during CRs.

–And the Obama transparency paradox in one sentence: “The Obama administration censored 194 pages of internal e-mails about its Open Government Directive that the AP requested more than one year ago.”

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  • newfreedomblog

    –Obama stands pat on nuclear energy.

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    And everything else so far as that matters.
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    Libya – Nothing
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    Egypt – Nothing
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    Energy – Nothing, talks a big game but nothing happens
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    Jobs – Nothing
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    Golf – Spends every possible waking moment playing unless he is picking teams for his brackets for the NCAA Tournament.

  • nflfoghorn

    Why doesn’t SFL make Braman king already?
    Seems like Alvarez didn’t have John Reaves to catch that Hail Mary like they did 40+ years ago. [Gator fans know what I mean]

  • np042

    25% of Republicans still think ACORN is a Threat

    One other note from our Republican primary poll- GOP voters think that the ACORN threat has gone down significantly. In November of 2009 we found 52% of Republicans thought ACORN had stolen the election for Barack Obama in 2008. Now only 25% think the organization will steal the election for him again next year, while 43% think it will not and 32% aren’t sure yet.

    Now 25% may seem like a high percentage to think that an organization no longer in existence will manage to steal a Presidential election but it’s less than half the number who thought that two years ago.

    Among Republicans who think ACORN will steal the election their top choice for the nomination is Palin at 20%, followed by Gingrich at 19%, and Huckabee and Romney at 16%.

  • newfreedomblog
  • nflfoghorn

    20% of everyone in this country would vote for a rock if the choice was offered.

  • newfreedomblog

    Young Leaders of Egypt’s Revolt Snub Clinton in Cairo
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    I guess when you play down the role of the United States so often in speeches and other encounters, people start to believe that you no longer matter.
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    “A spokesman for Clinton had no immediate response to the snub (Crowley recently fired). Another State Department official, who would not speak for attribution, confirmed such a meeting had been slated for Tuesday and noted that she still plans to meet with members of civil society and transitional government officials during her visit, during which she will urge Egyptians to continue on the path towards democracy.

  • nflfoghorn

    Looking at the responses to the ABC News link, you’d feel right at home, RustFreep.

  • nflfoghorn

    When you finish playing with your blocks, please place them back in the bin. Thanks.

  • mailman839

    np042 – - Considering the likely choices, don’t tempt me. :)

  • mailman839

    Whoops – - gotta learn to pay attention. That should have been addressed to nflfoghorn.

  • freeinpa

    “Now 25% may seem like a high percentage to think that an organization no longer in existence”
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    Another lie the left is trying to perpetuate. ACORN has merely changed names and continues to do exactly what is has done. Fraudulent voter registration and mis-use of taxpayer funds.
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    If ACORN doesn’t exist why is Barney Frank so upset about an amendment that will stop the flow of federal tax dollars to them?

    In fact, the process has already begun, she noted. Wade Rathke, who founded the organization, announced on his blog that ACORN International has officially changed its name to “Community Organizations International.
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    ACORN is shutting its Brooklyn operation, only to replace it with another outfit by a different name.

    In what sources called a desperate attempt at rebranding, the new organization, called New York Communities for Change, has many of the same board members as ACORN, shares similar goals of the troubled activist group, and will take over its lease on Nevins Street, an ACORN spokesman said.
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    Instead the group is simply branching out under aliases while directors blame a series of well-orchestrated, relentless, well-funded, right-wing attacks for its collapse. Partisan operatives have caused a huge decline in revenue and stripped ACORN’s ability to raise crucial resources, they assert, while conveniently omitting the nonprofit’s criminal history.
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    The Bachman prohibition would apply only to the proposed mortgage reform legislation, and would not change ACORN’s ability to receive funds under either the stimulus program or 2010 budget.

    Frank said his panel’s approval of the Bachman amendment was a mistake and that he had not carefully reviewed its language when he previously voted yes.

    “I did not read it carefully, and it was in the last minute that the amendment was accepted,” Frank said. “It is a deeply flawed amendment and I am opposed to it. Banning people from possible participation in government programs based on an indictment is a violation of the basic principles of due process.”

  • hippooath

    I think golf is the new teleprompter. No explanation why GOP can’t promote jobs like they promised to do. But Obama playing golf and not parachuting down and reversing the melting cores in Japan sure sounds better.

  • freeinpa

    Now if this were Bachman or Palin it would have been the lead story on “Morning Must Reads”.

    Rep. Corrine Brown, Florida Democrat, has almost no money in her campaign war chest.

    Now it turns out she owes money too, according to a lawsuit filed by a major Democratic fundraising firm to force Brown to pay $44,495 in unpaid bills

    Mysteriously, Brown claimed in reports to the Federal Election Comission (FEC) she did pay the firm $15,000 in July – even while admitting in court filings her campaign didn’t pay Berger Hirschberg that month.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/16/fundraisers-sue-broke-rep-corrine-brown-for-45k-in-unpaid-bills/#ixzz1Goa1jrkJ

  • hippooath

    “The Bachman prohibition”
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    Oh, the Bachman that ran around in media and said that Obamas India trip was costing us 200 million a day?
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    That Bachman? The above being one of her more comedic moments out of the pile of drivel she push.
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    Anyways – sounds like a person we should listen to when it comes to everything nefarious in regards to ACORN!!!

  • freeinpa

    This is what happens when you ignore the will of the people. 9 of 10 voters wanted him out

    The spectacular fall from power comes after two years of missteps, ranging from granting top staffers big pay hikes to construction of a publicly funded stadium for the Florida Marlins to implementation of a property-tax rate increase that outraged an electorate struggling through an ugly recession.

    Alvarez tried to fend off ouster by twice filing suit to block a recall vote. After the lawsuits went nowhere, he defended his record in speeches, radio and television appearances and paid advertisements, arguing that he made the tough calls to preserve vital services for residents.

    But voters responded by handing the mayor a humiliating defeat: Nearly nine of every 10 voted to remove Alvarez from office.

    Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/03/15/2117129/9-of-10-say-yes-to-ousting-alvarez.html#ixzz1GobwmGPc

  • Ivy_B

    As I began the article, I knew it was the property tax increase that got Braman into it. Just as it was partly his cheapskate policies that got him out as an Eagles owner.

  • freeinpa

    “On May 6, 1994, Braman sold the Eagles to Jeffrey Lurie for $185 million, a record at the time for a professional sports franchise.”
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    Yes nothing irritates the left like success.

  • freeinpa

    And that Barney Frank the smartest guy in Congress who voted for the amendment without understanding what he was voted for. The same Barney Frank that told us Fannie & Fredddie were solvent

  • Ivy_B

    Noblesse oblige.

    PHOENIX — The majority leader of the Arizona State Senate scuffled with his girlfriend during an argument on the side of the road late one night recently. He hit her and she hit him, according to the police, but the two suffered dramatically different fates.

    The majority leader, Scott Bundgaard, told Phoenix police officers that he was a state senator, and he cited a provision of the Arizona Constitution that gives lawmakers limited immunity from arrest, the police said. Police Department lawyers were consulted, and they ordered that Mr. Bundgaard be uncuffed and released.

    Aubry Ballard, Mr. Bundgaard’s girlfriend of about eight months, on the other hand, was arrested for domestic violence and spent the night in jail.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/12/us/politics/12immunity.html

  • Ivy_B

    I don’t give a cr@p about how much money he made on the deal. I would have contributed to get rid of him. He ran the team into the ground. Lurie has made the team much more valuable and more power to him.

  • Matt

    Haley may be thinking he’s taking a shot at President Obama, but he is really standing in opposition to decades of Republican ideology and repudiating the entire Bush presidency. I doubt Barbour is even sure of what he;s saying…
    http://www.sunstateactivist.org

  • Ivy_B

    apr referred to this in Joe’s post about Barbour, but Digby had the exact words. Hard to believe Barbour could make a run without a lot of things coming to light that he would prefer didn’t. The end of her post also shows the kind of thing his firm does.

    Every morning, Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour’s press secretary sends to Barbour’s staff and other allies a list of press clippings, along with a daily compendium of birthdays, historical notes, and jokes — which have recently included humor on the topics of the disastrous Japan Tsunami, Janet Reno’s gender, and the Cambodian genocide.

    In Friday’s email, for instance, press secretary Dan Turner emailed that on that day in 1968:

    Otis Redding posthumously received a gold record for his single, “(Sittin’ on) The Dock of the Bay”. (Not a big hit in Japan right now.)

    In 1993: Janet Reno was unanimously confirmed by the U.S. Senate to become the first female attorney general. (It took longer to confirm her gender than to confirm her law license.)

    What a jackass.

    Barbour is very, very popular in the Village, beloved by everyone from Roberts to Quinn. Do they know what kind of person he is and with whom he associates? Do they care?

    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/good-ole-boy-outreach.html

  • freeinpa

    .” From 1985 to 1994, he owned the Philadelphia Eagles football team. Braman rebuilt the Eagles into an NFL NFC Eastern Division champion in 1988. The team won at least 10 games for five straight years through 1993″
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    Shameful what he did- win!

  • freeinpa

    “No explanation why GOP can’t promote jobs like they promised to do”
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    Yes it’s a crime they have not solved the Obama unemployment crisis in less than 2 months after Obama promised to focus like a laser beam on jobs for 2 years.

  • freeinpa

    You have a problem with the rule of law?

  • freeinpa

    We’re #1 We’re #1
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    First in the way to discourage business. Even Europe has finally caught on to the error of their ways on taxes and entitlements. Seems we are a slow learner

    According to a study by the Tax Foundation, America’s combined federal and state rate of 39.2 percent is only out paced by Japan’s rate of 39.5 percent – which Japan plans to lower next month. Without Japan in the lead, America’s 39.2 percent will render it the corporate tax rate leader in the developed world, aka the countries comprising the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD).
    In recent years, many OECD nations have been lowering their corporate income tax to create more favorable environments for business. The Tax Foundation notes that since 2000 Germany, Canada, Greece, Turkey, Poland, the Slovak Republic, Iceland, and Ireland have all lowered their corporate tax rates by double-digits

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/16/america-to-have-the-highest-corporate-tax-rate-in-april/#ixzz1GoAg4U3z

  • diecash1

    Yes it’s a crime they have not solved the Obama unemployment crisis

    Not only haven’t they solved the unemployment crisis, they’ve made proposals that will make it worse by cutting 700,000+ jobs. That’s some spectacular “focus” they’re showing.
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/28/AR2011022802634.html

  • afguy

    With or without all of the loopholes?

  • diecash1

    That, like most things you post is a pile of dishonest crap. I have to admit, you’re really on quite a roll this morning. Forget your meds again?
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    That crap you posted is merely the marginal (statutory) corporate tax rate plus the non-deductible state tax rate added together. When effective corporate tax rates are examined, the U.S. has one of the lowest rates in the world. Quit lying already.
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    The U.S. corporate tax burden is smaller than average for developed countries.[1] Corporations in 19 of the member states of the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development paid 16.1 percent of their profits in taxes between 2000 and 2005, on average, while corporations in the United States paid 13.4 percent.

    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=784

  • hippooath

    “Yes it’s a crime they have not solved the Obama unemployment crisis in less than 2 months after Obama promised to focus like a laser beam on jobs for 2 years.”
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    Yeah because we all know that we can jump out of the worst economic crisis since the 30′s in 2 years like righties seems to think (and with righties saying no to everything through filibuster). But the issue isn’t that they haven’t solved it yet. None of their measures have been about job growth so far. They’ve spent more time trying to get rid of HR than they have done looking into job growth.
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    But I understand; priority number 1 was not USA, only the tribe.

  • hippooath

    “And that Barney Frank the smartest guy in Congress who voted for the amendment without understanding what he was voted for. The same Barney Frank that told us Fannie & Fredddie were solvent”
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    I don’t care for Barney Franks either. Can you say the same about Michelle Bachman?

  • freeinpa

    Doing what liberals do best. Make excuses to defend the indefensible while pointing fingers at someone else.
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    Dems had months to pass a budget while controlling both Houses of Congress and the WH and now blame the Repubs for wanting to shut down the government. They give lip service to the deficit and Obama is still acting as the First Tourist and not a President

  • freeinpa

    “I don’t care for Barney Franks either. Can you say the same about Michelle Bachman?”
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    Another pathetic weasel answer whiel avoiding the crux of the issue.. No I don;t care for Bachman either, but then she is not a corrupt politician who has now saddled the US taxpayer with trillions in liabilities while he defended the fraud at 2 government agencies.

    Don’t care indeed!

  • freeinpa

    “That crap you posted is merely the marginal (statutory) corporate tax rate plus the non-deductible state tax rate added together. When effective corporate tax rates are examined, the U.S. has one of the lowest rates in the world. Quit lying already.”

    What exactly is the lie? We have the highest tax rate- period. If you have an issue with the tax code please feel free to have your elected liberal pols change it. Then seen how many more jobs leave the US. You have a miserable comprehension of how a business is to operate and a child like fit that they just don’t turn over ever increasing amounts of money for dim-witted liberal spending.
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    Even the liberal site you link calls for eliminating parts of the tax code but lowering rates.

  • allthingsinaname

    “This striking achievement came about this week during a meeting of the state House Appropriations Committee on efforts in Kansas to shoot feral swine from helicopters. Republican state Rep. Virgil Peck suddenly had an idea. “Looks like shooting these immigrating feral hogs works,” he commented, according to a recording posted by the Lawrence Journal-World. “Maybe we have found a [solution] to our illegal immigration problem.””
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/gunning-down-immigrants–and-other-democratic-experiments/2011/03/14/ABQVXzZ_story.html
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    The GOP just doesn’t care about you.

  • diecash1

    What part of this

    That crap you posted is merely the marginal (statutory) corporate tax rate plus the non-deductible state tax rate added together

    did you not understand? Effective tax rates should be examined, not statutory rates. Once you do that, you may be able to have a real discussion about whether those rates are appropriate or not. Merely screaming that the marginal rates are among the highest in the world while ignoring that the effective rates are significantly lower is utterly stupid and dishonest.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “No I don;t care for Bachman either”
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    Thanks for that, Freep, sincerely. I’m no fan of Barney Frank, either.
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    Both sides of the political spectrum could and should be a lot more critical of their own.

  • Ivy_B

    House Republican Opposition To Tax Increases Ends When Taxes Help Them Restrict Women

    http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2011/03/16/gop-tax-women/

    The GOP especially doesn’t care about you if you are a woman.

  • freeinpa

    “Both sides of the political spectrum could and should be a lot more critical of their own”
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    Agreed. One difference is that it is easier to deal with politicians that are not the brightest bulbs (plenty on both sides), they ones that are corrupt are the real problem.

  • freeinpa

    “Effective tax rates should be examined, not statutory rates”
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    Easier said than done. Over any given period there may be government intervention (tax credits) to say “green companies” or subsidiaries trying to exact some mis-guided social justice and this is not reflected across every industry. Or tax losses or recessions.
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    Yes marginal rates are too high but the problem is not the effective rate but government trying to pick winners and losers through the tax code.

  • allthingsinaname

    When one considers that 58% of secondary teachers are women, and 82% of primary teachers are women, and the attack of the GOP against teachers. I have to agree>

    The GOP especially doesn’t care about you if you are a women.
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    The GOP doesn’t care about you if you are child too.
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    The GOP doesn’t care about your child.

  • shepherdwong

    …the problem is not the effective rate but government trying to pick winners and losers through the tax code.
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    Then why didn’t you say that in the first place? I’ve discovered that’s there’s some actual thinking and understanding about economics going on in your head, if you can pay attention long enough to pick it out of all of the right-wing bullsh!t. Why don’t you leave the lying, right-wing talking points to others – there are plenty of Teatards out there to carry the banner – and stick to the truth of what you know.

  • newfreedomblog

    A great chart on corporate tax rates compared to other OECD countries.
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    http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2008/08/corporate-taxes-here-and-abroad.html
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    A graph is worth a thousand words. Especially when you are comparing tax rates from one country to the next.

  • newfreedomblog

    Not only are stock markets sliding, they are headed directly into the crapper.
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    So much for Obama’s non-recovery!! Maybe we should pass more insane Obama programs like ObamaCare aka ACA. Yes? That really made the economic engines come back to life.

  • np042

    Always got to find a way to blame Obama, don’t you Rusty? That Japan-thing going on couldn’t have anything to do with it, could it? It’s not like it’s in the article’s headline or anything.

  • newfreedomblog

    http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-uses-this-chilling-presentation-in-push-for-budget-cuts-2011-3#-11
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    When you look at the above referenced chart, you can also see that spending was reduced drastically during the “boom” years of the Clinton Administration. As he should get credit, Clinton did balance the budget, but it was with a combination of tax increase, with major spending cuts. This is what spurred the robust economy in the late 90′s resulting with a budget surplus for this country.
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    Today, we see Democrats calling for massive spending, and also increasing the levels of taxation “back to the Clinton years”. Unless you also go after the massive spending program initiated over the past 4 years put into affect by the Democrats, this economy goes NOWHERE.
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    Why is it so hard for libtards to understand these basic economic strategies?

  • newfreedomblog

    Yup! Every chance I get. Take it as balancing out all of the years that you libtards attacked George Bush II incessantly. Now we may see some balance in the cosmos or “Force”.
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    LOL

  • logicloop

    Im sorry Freepina but are you trying to tag Obama with job losses alone? I seem to remember that during 2008 he was President Elect, and not President of the United States. I seem to remember there was this other guy in office at that time. Finally i seem to remember that this country was in economic freefall during his last year in office. You cant just whitewash that part of history and turn around and say it was all Obama’s fault.

    Your entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Who am I trying to kid, you dont care what I or anyone else say on this forum, you come on here to spout talking points, and then when people respond with facts you shout that were all LIBERULS, just like you will to this post pointing out your obvious hipocrisy about job loss. You dont care about debate you care about yelling LIBRUAL louder than anyone else, and that is extremely sad to me.

  • fhmadvocat

    freeinpa,

    Can’t you resist the urge to give a kneejerk response? You mean it is okay for a guy to beat his girlfriend? You mean it is okay for a legislator to claim some limited immunity from arrest? It would seem you have not been listening to the Tea Party protests at all. They are about privilege of the governmental class.

  • logicloop

    I just realized i misspelled your name, that was unintentional.

  • newfreedomblog

    You mean Republicans are against Unions, don’t you?
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    Ask Homer…
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  • fhmadvocat

    Scientists have discovered a serious disease. It is call Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS). Scientists have noted that its victims suffer from foaming at the mouth, delusional thinking and acute paranoia. Many seem to suffer from a fear of the government controlling the media and are afraid of a governmental takeover of their lives. You can recognize those who suffer from ODS from claims that Obama was born in Kenya or in Indonesia, claims that Obama is a Muslim, or claims that Obama is the anti-Christ. Further related cases of ODS are exemplified by beliefs that Obama’s political thinking stems from the anti-colonial beliefs of his father or that Michelle Obama’s efforts of improving nutrition are a governmental blot to deprive the American people of twinkies and Hostess ho-hos.

    Conservative critics have complained these same scientists said very little about Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS). The scientists knowledged that BDS does exist, but that its affects are rather unknown. They noted that most suffers of BDS have languished in relative obscurity, suffering from being laugh at by Liberals for being “politically correct”, while those who suffer from OBS continue to make millions of dollars in books, personal appearances and hosting shows on FOX.

  • diecash1

    Yes marginal rates are too high but the problem is not the effective rate but government trying to pick winners and losers through the tax code.

    That’s an actual argument that people can examine and discuss unlike the ideological BS you originally posted. I don’t have a problem with considering lowering of marginal corporate rates if loopholes are eliminated, depending upon what the final formulation looks like. The problem is that once rates are lowered they are unlikely to ever be raised in the future while the loopholes will creep back into the tax code in a short time. Just look at what happened in the 80′s when many loopholes where closed and rates were lower: It would seem that many of those tax loopholes have returned with many new ones too. That is a serious problem.
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    As for the graph at 10.7: It’s crap. I covered that already.

    [It] is merely the marginal (statutory) corporate tax rate plus the non-deductible state tax rate added together

    As such, it illuminates nothing.

  • fhmadvocat

    One topic with has not been a part of Swampland is the new laws restricting a woman’s right to abortion. It seems if Social Conservative can not ban abortion outright, they will make it much harder for a woman to get one.

    In South Dakota, they are requiring waiting periods of 72 hours. In many cases, these women are traveling hundreds of miles as there is just one clinic which performs abortions in South Dakota. In other states they are requiring ultrasounds. In Virginia, they require abortion clinics to become “hospitals” subject to the same regulations and requirements of hospitals, but this only applies to abortion clinics and not any other type of clinic which performs invasive procedures.

    Supporters of these laws claim they are concerned about the health of women. That is a bunch of crap. This is not about the health of women, it is about making abortion more difficult, if not impossible.

    Supporters of these laws claim to be “Conservative”. However these laws involve more government regulation and governmental intervention into the doctor-patient relationship. Where is the Tea Party to complain about the government becoming more involved in people’s personal lives. Where are the real “Conservatives” to say “Stop to the government getting involved in people’s personal decisions!”

    I know that abortion is an emotional issue for many people. Some people believe abortion is murder. These people are entitled to their beliefs. They just don’t have the right to impose their beliefs on those who believe differently.

    For me personally, abortion is not some abstract issue. When my wife and I were expecting our second child, we were told our child had a higher than normal likelihood of having a severe birth effect and we were actually asked if we wanted to abort our baby. Hearing about the possibility of a birth defect was difficult, but to be asked if we wanted to have an abortion, well, I felt very insulted and wanted to punch the person in the mouth.

    However, they were just doing their job. My wife and I prayed, and decided, whatever God had enstore for us with this new baby, we were going to bring this baby into the world.

    Well, our little daughter was born very healthy and without any birth defects (unless you believe being stubburn and being strong-willed to be a birth defect), the point is, it was a decision to be made by my wife and myself in consultation with her doctor. This was not a decision for the government, state or federal to get involved with and interfere.

  • shepherdwong

    A graph is worth a thousand words. Especially when you are comparing tax rates from one country to the next.
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    No, it’s corporatist propaganda, pure and simple. The corporate tax rate is meaningless for the purpose of international comparison, the only thing that matters is what corporations actually pay. You’ve been corrected on this lie repeatedly so you’re a pure, propagandist and liar with no excuses.

  • newfreedomblog

    What does the Tea Party have to do with abortion? Now if you want to argue that our tax dollars have no place in the funding of abortions, that would be a reason for the Tea Party to become involved in the discussion.
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    Our belief is simple, tax payer dollars should not go to fund expenses such as abortion when the Mother and/or Father (if one is involved in the pregnancy) should pay for either the delivery or the abortion. They did the deed, now they should pay for the cost.

  • freeinpa

    “Im sorry Freepina but are you trying to tag Obama with job losses alone? I seem to remember that during 2008 he was President Elect, and not President of the United Stattes.
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    Never said he was but since you brought it up, I do recall hearing about $1 trillion stimulus that was to keep unemployment at tops 8%. Then Obama went golfing, touring, meddling in states business in AZ, WI all th ewhile unemployment went up to 10%

  • np042

    Ahh the old, tired canard of “libtard.” Anyone who disagrees with you must be a libtard, yes? I mean, you pretty much outright admit that the article you linked says nothing close to what you claim it does, so you’re only purpose in posting it is to verbally/digitally sling some mud. And you were calling others trolls?

  • freeinpa

    “You mean it is okay for a guy to beat his girlfriend? You mean it is okay for a legislator to claim some limited immunity from arrest?”
    .
    Is it okay to beat his girlfriend- No! Is it okay for a legislator to claim immunity? I’ll leave that up to the people of Arizona since it is a law they have. If he was not released, he could sue for unlawful detainment among other things.
    .
    Do you have the same hate for illegal immigrants running around committing crimes then being released because that law is not enforced? I’ll guess no. Funny how liberals become quite selective in the laws they want enforced.

  • freeinpa

    “I don’t have a problem with considering lowering of marginal corporate rates if loopholes are eliminated, depending upon what the final formulation looks like. The problem is that once rates are lowered they are unlikely to ever be raise”
    .
    You mean as long as they pay more. Your argument as always breaks down to “give me your money”
    .
    At least be honest about it. It has nothing to do with “fair” or “justice”. It’s all about more money for an ever growing number of entitlements

  • np042

    Do you have the same hate for illegal immigrants running around committing crimes then being released because that law is not enforced? I’ll guess no. Funny how liberals become quite selective in the laws they want enforced.

    That’s a mighty fine straw man you’ve erected there.
    .
    I assume when you say “running around committing crimes” you are referring to crimes other than being in the US illegally, yes? So the correct parallel would be
    .
    1) Person A is illegal immigrant
    2) A commits a crime, let’s say beating up his girlfriend on the sidewalk
    3) A is detained but ultimately released for the assault/battery because he is an illegal?
    .
    Am I just not following the logical contortions you are making?

  • diecash1

    No. Nice job attempting to corrupt my argument while ignoring the thrust of it. It’s pretty simple: Tax policies should be designed to be reasonably fair (and we can argue over exactly what constitutes “fair”) and they should generate an acceptable amount of revenue to balance the budget while reducing the debt over time. The problem that you ignored is that once taxes are cut and loopholes are closed (temporarily), it doesn’t take long before new tax loopholes spring up thus undermining the entire tax strategy. At that point, tax revenue is reduced creating a deficit or an additional burden upon other tax payers and there are zero Repubs that would consider raising taxes. That’s why I find them to be less than serious about the debt & deficit.
    ..
    As for entitlements, I welcome a debate to reassess our national priorities. It’s no different than the other thread describing how the Repubs want to keep the farm subsidies while attempting to balance the budget on the backs of the poor and the underfed. It’s patently unserious and completely reprehensible.

  • hippooath

    “Doing what liberals do best. Make excuses to defend the indefensible while pointing fingers at someone else.”
    .
    If that was only true. Does honesty really mean anything to do?

  • paulejb

    newfreedom…@1,

    South American trip – On Schedule.

  • paulejb

    diecash1@1.4,
    .
    Please explain how a cut of $61 billion from a $3700 budget will eliminate 700,000 jobs.

  • hippooath

    “Agreed. One difference is that it is easier to deal with politicians that are not the brightest bulbs (plenty on both sides), they ones that are corrupt are the real problem.”
    .
    And the problem boils down directly to money in our political system. Without money you have idiots with money you have corrupt idiots.

  • freeinpa

    “These people are entitled to their beliefs. They just don’t have the right to impose their beliefs on those who believe differently.”
    .
    This is a priceless statement. At the heart of liberalism is imposing views of “fairness, justice and the left’s version of morality”? It goes from wher people smoke, what they eat, they money they make (and keep), political correctness among a long list of others.

  • hippooath

    “Ahh the old, tired canard of “libtard.” Anyone who disagrees with you must be a libtard, yes? I mean, you pretty much outright admit that the article you linked says nothing close to what you claim it does, so you’re only purpose in posting it is to verbally/digitally sling some mud. And you were calling others trolls?”
    .
    Fudge truth, its payback time for all those times people were mean to Bush that lead this country into the ditch. It’s Obama’s fault for not magically fixing 8 years of systemic destruction of all government functions. So people were mean and we owe them something for telling them what was wrong. Now Obama owns all Bush mistakes because in 2 years time any reasonable wizard should be able to conjur up a perfectly functional economy despite having the opposition bombing every single suggestion from the then majority.
    .
    So basically – it’s our fault that Bush and his policies suck, not because we told the truth about them, but because we shamed the GOP for pointing them out. That was so mean.

  • paulejb

    fhmadvocat@16,
    .
    I am delighted that everything turned out so well for you and your wife and your lovely daughter. Your story, however, makes me wonder why you would object to allowing a pregnant woman to have 72 hours in order to consider the decision to abort a child? It is not like a face lift which can be reversed.
    .
    I am particularly amazed that you would object to a woman having an ultrasound. Why is it a bad thing for a woman to have more information of the life that is growing in her womb before she makes a life altering decision?

  • rm11

    I propose use of the new term “reactard”.

  • paulejb

    fhmadvocat@15,
    .
    Rumors of cases of ODS have proven to be exaggerated. It appears that unlike BDS or PDS, ODS is a mild condition that just tends to bring on uncontrollable laughter at the thought of Obama as President. Especially when the thought of Obama’s pronouncement, that his advent meant the the seas would cease to rise and the planet would heal, comes to mind.

  • logicloop

    Yes it’s a crime they have not solved the Obama unemployment crisis in less than 2 months after Obama promised to focus like a laser beam on jobs for 2 years.

    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/03/16/morning-must-reads-freed/#ixzz1GnC1Nh59

    You JUST said that not 4 posts ago. Seriously its like you dont even care about what you write.

    Also I agree that the administration was wrong about the unemployment level from the stimulus, they were wrong on the impact. But the CBO stated unequivically that the stimulus saved or created around 3 million jobs. Yes it did not keep it at 8%, but it saved 3 million peoples ability to support themselves. The current house budget could end up to 700,000 of them.

    Finally the stimulus was 870 billion not 1 trillion. But since you guys like throwing that word around ignoring 100 billion with at b dollars, I guess I can do the same for your new house budget. Comming soon the GOP destroys the lives of a MILLION families! http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/collections.cfm?collect=12

  • paulejb

    nflfoghorn@3.1,
    .
    “20% of everyone in this country would vote for a rock if the choice was offered.”
    .
    Hell, in 2008, 53% made that choice.

  • liberalmeltdown

    16.2 & 16.3, good points here. Particularly the idea that the left is always imposing restrictions on individuals freedoms and choices. It seems that there is no end to the liberal’s nanny state when they deem what is “good” for you, and society of course.
    .
    700 new laws in 2011 in California. There will be another 700 more next year. Liberals love laws and restrictions. Don’t say you don’t. Your record shows that you do. Liberals can’t balance a budget, but they can get their name on a new law.
    .
    http://www.uncoverage.net/2011/01/happy-new-year-from-california-nanny-government-700-new-laws/

  • diecash1

    PJ — Learn to follow a link or work teh google. From Zandi’s report:

    While the government spending cuts proposed by House Republicans for this fiscal year mean only modest fiscal restraint, this restraint is meaningful. If fully adopted, the cuts would shave almost half a percentage point from real GDP growth in 2011 and another 0.2 percentage point in 2012. There would be almost 400,000 fewer U.S. jobs by the end of 2011 than without the cuts and some 700,000 fewer jobs by the end of 2012. The fallout will extend into next year because it takes time for budget cuts to filter through the economy. In all likelihood, the proposed House cuts would not undermine the current recovery; still, it is not necessary to take the chance.

    http://www.economy.com/dismal/article_free.asp?cid=197630&src=wp
    ..
    What evidence to you have that Zandi is wrong about the effect of the cuts on GDP and employment?

  • paulejb

    logicloop@1.13,

    How does your logic arrive at the conclusion that a cut of $61 billion out of a $3700 billion dollar budget will cost 700,000 jobs? Just wondering.

  • freeinpa

    “: Tax policies should be designed to be reasonably fair (and we can argue over exactly what constitutes “fair”) and they should generate an acceptable amount of revenue to balance the budget while reducing the debt over time”
    .
    Your argument on its own is corrupt. It is full of squishy language which simply means there is no end to the grab for money. “Fair” “Acceptable” to balance the budget and reduce debt? The budget heads only one way – UP.
    .
    “a deficit or an additional burden upon other tax payers and there are zero Repubs that would consider raising taxes.”
    .
    Because taxes are not the problem. Spending is the problem. You mention fairness (which is a punchline to the left) when government takes over an ever increasing portion of our economy and 70% of the federal income tax is paid by 10% of the people while over 50% have no federal income tax liability.
    .
    A serious debate on entitlements? That definition means only 2 things: the left wants the Republicans to suggest some changes so the left has a club to then (lie again) about how the right is trying to starve children and throw grandma into the streets or what else can we tax to pay for more entitlements. That’s what passes for serious discussion by the left about entitlements.

  • freeinpa

    Not a straw man at all. The left continually defends those who break the law but then whine about laws they don’t like enforced. You want a Republ Congressman in jail in spite of the law while you support illegals being here despite the law.
    .
    Always defending the indefensible.

  • diecash1

    I am particularly amazed that you would object to a woman having an ultrasound. Why is it a bad thing for a woman to have more information of the life that is growing in her womb before she makes a life altering decision?

    Funny how quickly the right turns on it’s own position. In the HCR debate the right went nuts because seniors (in good health, at a routine doctor appt.) would be offered the opportunity to have end-of-life counseling. This and others portions of the HC bill caused the right to lose their collective mind over some supposed instances of the government coming between a patient and his or her doctor.
    ..
    What exactly is happening in these bills? The right wants the government to come between a patient and her doctor and force her to undergo various procedures and then attempt to dissuade said patient from a legal procedure. The hypocrisy — it burns.

  • hippooath

    “Hell, in 2008, 53% made that choice”
    .
    No less than that voted for McCain

  • diecash1

    Particularly the idea that the left is always imposing restrictions on individuals freedoms and choices. It seems that there is no end to the liberal’s nanny state when they deem what is “good” for you, and society of course.

    Of course the right imposing their “family values” upon women by forcing them to undergo unwanted and unnecessary procedures and waiting periods before being allowed access to a legal procedure never crossed your mind, did it LM?
    ..
    Ideologically blind is no way to go through life. Take your blinders off for once.

  • freeinpa

    “And the problem boils down directly to money in our political system. Without money you have idiots with money you have corrupt idiots.”
    .
    No the problem is having the government involved in every aspect of our life. If the government was limited and not trying to engineer outcomes or right so imaginary wrong there would be no money in it. With no money in it at least the idiots would change every few years.

  • paulejb

    diecash@1.14.
    .
    As usual, you people overplay your hands. The projection was a possible 400,000 fewer jobs created in 2011 and 700,000 through 2012. That is not 700,000 people being fired, that is an estimation of the rate of jobs created.
    .
    That prediction is based on the idea that budget cuts are a zero sum gain. They are not. Every dollar not absorbed by government borrowing is freed up for the private sector.
    .
    Go back and read your own link.

  • hippooath

    “No the problem is having the government involved in every aspect of our life. If the government was limited and not trying to engineer outcomes or right so imaginary wrong there would be no money in it. With no money in it at least the idiots would change every few years.”
    ,
    In other words – Money is the issue.
    .
    You just can’t keep your talking points straight. Corruption equals money. Money equals Corruption. There’s no corruption without money. Corruption is the direct result of money.

  • paulejb

    hippooath@3.13,
    .
    Enough less voted for McCain so that your rock won.

  • hippooath

    “Not a straw man at all. The left continually defends those who break the law but then whine about laws they don’t like enforced. You want a Republ Congressman in jail in spite of the law while you support illegals being here despite the law.
    .
    Always defending the indefensible.”
    .
    So if we made all immigrants legal you wouldn’t complain or would you complain that making the immigrants legal is illegal in the first place?
    .
    You’re splitting hair. You have spat on Leftists for doing less, even if it was ‘legal’.
    .
    You’d think anyone here would defend the guy if he was a Democrat?
    .
    I sure wouldn’t. The guy used a technicality – that he can’t be arrested when he’s in session to get out of it. Anywhere else and hitting someone is illegal but you would make this dumb argument just because he’s GOP.
    .
    Read above – do honesty mean anything to you?

  • paulejb

    hippooath@3.15,
    .
    “All power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
    .
    That is why the Constitution was created to protect us from the corrupting power of big government.

  • diecash1

    Because taxes are not the problem.

    You really are simple-minded aren’t you? Taxes are half of the equation. Without taxes, there is no budget and no spending, at least in the longer term. So when the Repubs cut taxes during a time of war, did they A.) reduce spending or did they just B.) continue to ramp up spending to wildly high levels and incur debt? That’s right, B. Who’s philosophy is bankrupt again? You obviously are having trouble with the glass shattering all around you. You’re incapable of even rationally discussing the problem; you can only fling poo. Sad for you. Maybe someday before you die you’ll be mature enough to have a reasonable debate of the issues but I doubt it.
    ..
    BTW, if you really believe that reducing taxes always equates to more revenue and more jobs, why don’t you start advocating for a flat tax rate of 0.0001% so we can reach your nirvana already? Perhaps it’s because even as jaded as you are, you realize that your entire ideology is bankrupt.

  • hippooath

    “Enough less voted for McCain so that your rock won.”
    .
    All jokes aside; there is no ‘your’ rock. Even under Bush and Clinton and going back to Washington, there’s only one USA.
    .
    Don’t try to excuse your tribal BS by projecting it on me. And people vote for a lot of stupid reason. I aheard a lady in 2004 who voted for Bush because she liked Laura’s hair.
    .
    Her words.
    .
    I don’t care who she voted for but anyone voting for hair misses the boat on what voting is all about.

  • diecash1

    So PJ, jobs not created due to budgetary cuts that would otherwise be created if the cuts were not enacted are not lost? Got it. You haven’t a clue and you’ve failed to demonstrate that Zandi is incorrect. Better luck next time.

  • paulejb

    diecash1@16.4,
    .
    It didn’t make you uneasy that doctors were to be rewarded by the government for introducing end of life counseling to their elderly patients. Isn’t that sort of saying to the old folks; “Here’s your hat, what’s your hurry?”

  • diecash1

    No it does not make me uneasy. It’s better to do it in advance of being seriously ill and having to do it then or being unable to do it for yourself and forcing your loved ones to do it for you. No one had to partake of advance directive planning. It was an option provided to people. It allowed people that wanted to to determine how their life would end in the case of traumatic accident or serious illness. I’ve done it for my family, my parents and my in-laws. it allows for a modicum of control in that situation and it relieves family members from a difficult burden.

  • paulejb

    diecash1@17.1,
    .
    It is not a case of having your ears pierced, die. It is a life altering decision that can end in a death. What is the rush? Will a 72 hour wait cause any harm? Will an ultrasound be too great an imposition? Or is it that these requirements might actually result in a decrease in abortions? Is that what is really troubling you, die?

  • paulejb

    diecash1@16.6,
    .
    That’s all well and good, die. I commend your family for their foresightedness. But exactly what role do you see the government playing in this? Why should the government be involved at all?
    .
    The very thought of government bureaucrats having anything to do with end of life discussions is chilling.

  • newfreedomblog

    “What evidence to you have that Zandi is wrong about the effect of the cuts on GDP and employment?”

    .
    Better yet, what evidence do you have that supports Zandi’s claims? Come on Einstein, I am sure you can come up with a few Paul Krugman theories.

  • paulejb

    diecash@1.17,
    .
    You are amazingly trusting of prognostications about job creation. I wonder than why every month the report of the unemployment numbers is introduced with the statement that the numbers were unexpected by the experts.

  • newfreedomblog

    “newfreedom…@1,
    South American trip – On Schedule.”

    .
    Yes, he probably nearly froze his butt off last weekend out on the links, so South America should be great for golfing this time of year.
    .
    , must be nice to go globe trotting and playing golf all over the world on the tax payers dime. Hmmmm

  • diecash1

    Will a 72 hour wait cause any harm?

    Try asking that to a Republican attempting to buy a gun.
    ..
    Funny how you evaded the primary issue of the right wanting to force the government in between a doctor and a patient.
    ..
    Reducing abortions does not trouble me. They should be legal and rare. Conversely the right seems troubled by teaching about contraception which can reduce unintended pregnancies and abortions. Does that trouble you PJ?

  • newfreedomblog

    I think ladydie is a sadist. He likes to look at the pictures of aborted fetuses, it probably turns him on.

  • diecash1

    You are amazingly trusting of prognostications about job creation

    How does my asking you for evidence that disproves Zandi’s claims = me being “amazingly trusting of prognostications about job creation”? I’ll give you the answer: It doesn’t.

  • freeinpa

    “If that was only true. Does honesty really mean anything to do?”
    .
    That is a laughable question coming from a liberal who spend their days lying to themselves.

  • paulejb

    hippooath@3.18,
    .
    That ladies reason for voting makes a lot more sense than some of the reasons given for voting for Barack Obama. Especially the lady who was expecting a new kitchen.
    .
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/10/henrietta-hughes-obama-as_n_165670.html
    .
    What happened to “Ask not what your country can do for you…?”

  • freeinpa

    “In other words – Money is the issue.
    .
    You just can’t keep your talking points straight
    .
    I have no talking points. If the government didn’t control every aspect what would anybody pay for? Let me re-phrase that what would any sane person pay for? If there is no power grab there is no need to pay money to anyone.

  • diecash1

    The government is only involved in providing the benefit, same as providing Medicare. Nothing nefarious about it. I’d say you’re being a bit paranoid PJ.

  • diecash1

    Well rustyblogwhore, I tend to think that you’re a late-term abortion that survived. Piss off.

  • freeinpa

    “The guy used a technicality”

    .
    Do you really take yourself seriously? A technicality is what laws are.

    And this from the party that brought us “depends on what the meaning of is is”

  • newfreedomblog

    Ah ladydiecash, do you sit around in your underwear in mom and dad’s basement coming up with all these great things you comment on here in swampland?

  • paulejb

    diecash1@17.3,
    .
    You’re flailing, but I am game.
    .
    1. A waiting period is unexceptionable to establish the purchasers bona fides. Can the seller inquire about a purchasers immigration status or is that out of bounds?
    .
    2. What kind of doctor would object to a patient having an informed choice? I would think that doctors would welcome these measures to better inform patients and provide them with time to think.
    .
    3. I applaud your views on abortion. However, your attitude about reasonable restrictions seems to conflict with your stated beliefs.

    4. Abstinence is a proven method for preventing unwanted pregnancies. It works 100% of the time.

  • freeinpa

    ” Because taxes are not the problem.

    You really are simple-minded aren’t you? Taxes are half of the equation.”
    .
    Speaking of simple minded. While it may be half the equation, spending growth outstrips revenue growth. But of course the answer is raise taxes.

    Be honest just say “WE WANT YOUR MONEY”

  • liberalmeltdown

    You think you will get “instant” medical care for a bypass operation? With Obamacare you will be in line for months. You want instant abortions to end a life, but lines for people that need life saving surgery. Priorities.

  • paulejb

    diecash1@1.21,
    .
    That’s what I said. My guess for job creation in 2011 and 2012 is as valid as Zandi’s.

  • newfreedomblog

    “The government is only involved in providing the benefit, same as providing Medicare. Nothing nefarious about it. I’d say you’re being a bit paranoid PJ.”

    .
    As we know that ObamaCare, aka ACA is ever evolving pile of dog $hit, one day a government bureaucrat will sit in your doctors office holding your hand as you make your end of life decisions, right ladydiecash?
    .
    This way the government can be involved as an equal partner, providing or not providing life-saving medical treatments. Plus the added bonus that when that same bureaucrat one day will have the power to determine when the plug is pulled, isn’t that how this happy ever-after story ends, ladydiecash? Lucky for you then ladydiecash, you won’t have to make those difficult decisions any longer for your loved one. You can wash the slate and say, “hey, I didn’t pull the plug on grandma, the government man did it”

  • liberalmeltdown

    17.3, Comparing abortions to guns? That’s ingenious.

  • freeinpa

    “Funny how you evaded the primary issue of the right wanting to force the government in between a doctor and a patient.”
    .
    What’s funny is that is the point of Obamacare. Or are you still pushing the lie “if you like you doctor you can keep him”?

  • newfreedomblog

    Also to add to 16.9, eugenics has always been a major cornerstone for progressive/liberal ideology. Isn’t that right, ladydiecash?

  • newfreedomblog

    Wasn’t Margaret Sanger a progressive just like Ladydiecash? I think I read once she was also a sadist too. A Progressive, Pro-abortionist, eugenics loving sadist. It all fits to a T.
    .
    Makes total sense to me. Birds of a feather, flock together!!
    .
    LOL

  • paulejb

    diecash1@16.8,
    .
    “He who pays the piper calls the tune.”
    .
    Can we trust the government with our health care?

  • paulejb

    “We’re gonna let you die”

    Liberal view of health care…
    .
    http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2009/10/robert-reich-were-gonna-let-you-die.html

  • liberalmeltdown

    16.9 agreed the progressive agenda never stops. That’s why we have 700 new laws in California for 2011. They just love to fine tune your life. As we have already seen, they want to “fix” Obamacare. And fix, and fix, and fix. Progressively worse.
    .

  • liberalmeltdown

    Liberals will be happy to help you die. Always there to console, no not console, ah…instruct a depressed terminally ill patient on how to off themselves.
    .
    http://www.euthanasia.com/depression.html
    .

    A study published by Dutch researchers in the September 20, 2005 edition of the Journal of Clinical Oncology (JCO) has shown that at least 50% of patients killed under the Dutch euthanasia programme were suffering from depression. In addition, 44% of those suffering from cancer showed clinical signs of depression when they asked for euthanasia.

  • paulejb

    I don’t know about you people but watching this reassured me that we are in good hands. The president has his priorities straight. Now I know what the president meant by WTF [Winning the Future].
    .

  • paulejb

    liberalmeltdown@19.1,
    .
    Damn! Is it a death wish?
    .
    http://neoropolitics.org/Anxiety-Depression-and-Goal-Seeking-in-Conservatives-Liberals-Moderates.htm.
    .
    It does explain some of the posters at this blog.

  • logicloop

    Seriously? your response is “i know you are but what am I? … wow thats just…wow

  • liberalmeltdown

    This is very important stuff Paul. He’s in a pool with all the Mid East Princes and Kings.

  • fhmadvocat

    in response to 16.3

    Paul, here is the point. Why does the government have to impose a 72 hour waiting period? The reason is not about the choice, it is to make it difficult for a woman who has traveled hundreds of miles to get an abortion.

    Paul, imagine your wife is pregnant and she is in a terrible accident. The doctor tells you that your wife has a 25% chance of survival without an abortion, but a 75% chance if she has one. However, you have to make the choice right way. What good is a wait of 72 hours?

    Why do we trust the government and not women to make that decision?

  • fhmadvocat

    in response to 16.2

    Freeinpa,

    You are so right that it is a priceless statement because Conservatives are so hellbent on imposing their values on the rest of us. You use the false equivalency of things like smoking and what to eat. First of all, is it Liberals or Conservatives who have the issue of whether you smoke pot? I believe it is Conservative who are telling people not to smoke it. Where to smoke, you can smoke in your home all you want, just don’t smoke around me a non-smoker. What you can eat? Get real!! Name any state law regarding what you can eat. Oh, you can name a few loony on a city council trying to tell people not to eat junk food, but it is pales to what Conservatives try to impose.

    Against abortion? Don’t have one, but Conservatives want the government to get into the private lives of women and don’t trust women to make their own decisions.

    Against Gay marriage? Fine, don’t marry someone of the same gender, but if two men or two women want to get married to each other, who cares? Well Conservatives do, They claim it hurts traditional marriage. I don’t know about you, but whether Gays get married or not has absolutely nothing to do with my marriage.

    As far as taxes, do you want police? Do you want a fire station? Do you want good roads? Someone has to pay for these things. The difference between Liberals and Conservatives is that Liberals want people to pay based on their income, and Conservatives want all people to pay equally, without regard to income. Considering that Warren Buffett pays a lower percentage of his income in taxes than his secretary, I think Conservatives are willing that battle.

  • paulejb
  • paulejb

    liberalmeltdown@20.1,
    .
    If we couldn’t laugh, we would have to weep. Has a president ever before been this clueless?

  • shepherdwong

    Has a president ever before been this clueless?
    .
    You ought to know. You voted for him. Twice!
    .

  • newfreedomblog

    A comment from your link:
    .

    “Jerry Perkins: If this person (Obama) gets 20% of the vote, then we as Americans deserve everything that he is wreaking upon us as Americans. Vote this scumbag out in 2012!!”

    .
    Truer words have never been uttered.
    .
    Thanks for the link. I enjoyed reading it.

  • diecash1

    My guess for job creation in 2011 and 2012 is as valid as Zandi’s.

    No it’s not. Zandi is an experienced, professional economist. Unless you have similar credentials, your “guess” is not “as valid.”

  • diecash1

    Can we trust the government with our health care?

    You can’t be serious PJ. You’re paranoia is reaching epic proportions. Your doctor provides the health care and the government pays the bill (for those on Medicare / Medicaid). They don’t call the tune. Do you see something nefarious in the government providing a “free” wellness visit for seniors under the ACA? Perhaps seniors are merely being sized up for their soylent green potential. Give me a break. Does your paranoia know no bounds?

  • diecash1

    We’re discussing a waiting period to exercise one legal right versus another. What’s the problem? Too complex for you?

  • hippooath

    “That is a laughable question coming from a liberal who spend their days lying to themselves.”
    .
    You only have to point out one lie you know to prove me wrong. So mine stand, do honestly really mean anything to you?

  • hippooath

    “21Let’s see the liberals “refudiate” this…
    .
    http://www.facebook.com/notes/sarah-palin/the-4-per-gallon-president/10150112361088435
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    Easy
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    A) this is from ‘death panels’ Sarah. She’s kind of shallow when it comes to brainy stuff.
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    B) it’s called middle eastern gitters. Experts have already weighted in on it – the moratorium don’t have anything to do with it. Guess what – oil per barrel lowered for abit before the earthquake when analysts noted that China is not using as much oil since their economy was cooling. So oil dropped.
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    Middle East – speculation
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    China – analysis

  • diecash1

    Abstinence is a proven method for preventing unwanted pregnancies. It works 100% of the time.

    Yes because it’s worked so well in schools throughout the world. I have no problem with it being taught along side safe practices but not by itself. If parents want their children ignorant of safe practices, they can opt out of the teaching.

    What kind of doctor would object to a patient having an informed choice?

    You’re operating under the assumption that the woman in question is not making an “informed” choice. That says a lot about your position and none of it good.

    reasonable restrictions

    Only in your mind are those restrictions “reasonable.”
    ..
    As to your first point: That’s certainly not the position of the majority on the right. They oppose waiting periods. Seems to me that citizenship & visa status could be included in the background check database but exactly what is the clerk at the sporting goods store supposed to do about it?
    ..
    Talk about flailing PJ, you’re in a class by yourself. The right has boxed itself into a corner raving about government intrusion into the lives of Americans. What they really mean is that they want to impose their values upon the rest of us, nothing less. FHM had it precisely right @ 16.14 when he covered it. The right wants to put the government between a woman and her doctor to impose their values and it’s hypocritical given their raving about HCR.

  • paulejb

    fhmadvocat@16.13,
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    1. The law extends an already existing waiting period by 48 hours.
    .
    2. The law requires that the woman seek counseling from someone other than the abortion provider who is certainly not objective. Getting a 2nd opinion is always wise whether it concerns a cancer operation or an abortion.
    .
    3. It is unlikely that the 72 hour requirement applies to emergency situations.
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    4. It is a primary responsibility of government that it protect life.

  • paulejb

    diecash1@16.15,
    .
    Really? You trust the government? How about the Pentagon? The Congress? The Post Office?
    .
    How would you like your health care if it was provided by the lowest bidder?

  • deconstructiva

    Hippooath, these links will help refudiate Sarah’s drill-baby-drill fantasy (to sane folks, that is), including this piece about Napolitano …Andrew at FOX, that is, not Janet (they’re not related)…
    http://mediamatters.org/research/201103080050
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    Even better is… http://climateprogress.org/2010/03/31/obama-offshore-drilling-ocs-ei/
    (useful for green crosslinks, esp. EIA report and “The cruel offshore-drilling hoax”) Drilling tomorrow, literally, isn’t going to help much.

  • diecash1

    You’ve now gone well beyond inanity into something dumber. The government is not providing the health care and it’s dishonest to say as much. Just admit that you have no point, no argument and move on already. You’ve lost PJ.

  • paulejb

    diecash1@17.11,
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    1. Abstinence – http://www.examiner.com/pop-culture-in-atlanta/selena-gomez-and-cdc-report-teens-choosing-abstinence-not-safe-sex-tools
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    2. Never heard of a 2nd opinion? Only a fool would take such a step without one.

    3. Reasonable restrictions – Your opposition to restrictions puts the lie to your claim that you want abortions to be safe and rare.
    .
    4. What do you know about what the majority of the right believes about waiting permits for guns?
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    5. If the government cannot protect life than it has no function at all.

  • paulejb

    shepherdwong@20.3,
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    Barack the Uncertain makes George W Bush look like Einstein. The extent of Obama’s ability to make a decision is limited to NCAA picks and the correct iron to use in the rough.

  • paulejb

    hippooath@21.2,
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    A. Every time ‘death panels” came up it was removed by the people proposing it.
    .
    B. Prices of gas and oil began to surge long before the Tunisian protester set himself afire.
    .
    C. In order to “refudiate” something, it requires some alternate facts. Got facts?

  • paulejb

    deconstructiva@21.3,
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    1. The prospect of increased domestic production would certainly effect oil speculators who usually determine the prices.
    .
    2. How does increasing domestic production not help? It creates jobs and increased tax revenues.

  • hippooath

    “That ladies reason for voting makes a lot more sense than some of the reasons given for voting for Barack Obama. Especially the lady who was expecting a new kitchen.
    .
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/10/henrietta-hughes-obama-as_n_165670.html
    .
    What happened to “Ask not what your country can do for you…?”
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    So the hair doesn’t bother you but the kitchen does?
    . Ideologues are such a funny breed. It’s everyone else but them. They’re simply idjuts like the rest of us because we made them idjuts.
    .
    So far other than to stir the pot and it’s vengeance time, I’ve not gotten one decent conservative answer to why you guys embrace hypocrisy. I get it – someone was mean to you.

  • hippooath

    “spending growth outstrips revenue growth”
    ,
    Okay – so then cutting the defense budget should be a now brainer. Unless you honestly think that WIC is the offending outstripper and not the cost of two wars and the continued sink hole that is Pentagon.
    .
    You’re argument have always been -
    .
    We made 100 dollar and had 80 dollar in expenses, then we lowered the 100 dollars to 80 and suddenly spending just started smacking us. Only problem is that we lowered revenue to 75 and borrowed money for the rest, than increased spending with 2 wars and medicare part D.
    .
    You then want slash all the tiny little stuff that is in the original 80 dollars and not increase revenue until it’s at least level with spending to pay off the loan we took to lower revenue below spending. You don’t want to tackle the offending spending above 80 dollars, only some sh!t stuff here and there that you guys see as ‘liberal’ projects.
    .
    It’s quite a mind bender. Don’t increase the revenue to handle the fact that we’re bleeding cash for the loans we’re taking so rich people can get even richer. The argument being that they would grow our economy but instead the tax cuts have been growing Chinas economy and increases our trade deficite.
    .
    You don’t want to tackle the outstripping spending, such as a bloated defense budget. WIC, planned parenthood, arts etc. Those are the big offenders according to you.
    ,
    We don’t have a deficite and revenue problem. What we have a moral fortitude problem because you rathern bankrupt this nation so the filthy rich can strip mine every person here until we’re just one big corporation that owns your life just like they do it over in China.
    .
    As long as you get to keep yours. We don’t want your fricken money. We just want you to pay for the share of the American dream instead of selling it out to China.

  • liberalmeltdown

    We have the first dumb jock president.

  • rwbbinla

    @7.7 IOKIYAR…Lawmakers not being subject to the same laws as the ordinary citizens of the country.
    .
    What does that say about this country and people like you who defend this?
    .
    Syncophant!

  • apr2563

    For the crazy, reactionary, right wing file.
    .
    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/santorum-kennedy-was-radical-for-believing-in-church-vs-state.php?ref=fpb
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    From the man on dog sex guy:
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    Santorum: JFK Was ‘Radical’ For Believing In Separation Of Church & State
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    Remember Freedom fries? Evidently the right doesn’t. Remember when Bill O’Reilly was going to break France by invoking a boycott?
    .
    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/03/francomania_breaks_out_in_gop.php?ref=fpblg
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    Francomania Breaks Out in GOP

    .

  • apr2563

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-sad-hypocritical-retirement-of-evan-bayh/2011/03/10/AB4MZzY_blog.html
    .
    I’m unsure why Ezra Klein is surprised by Bayh hypocrisy, I’m not and I am sure most liberals are not.
    .
    The sad, hypocritical retirement of Evan Bayh
    .

    Evan Bayh wasn’t a particularly distinguished senator. He was a popular Democrat in a red state, and most of his efforts seemed to be devoted to keeping it that way. In practice, that meant talking a lot about the deficit, taking occasional potshots as liberals and avoiding any overly courageous legislative stands.
    .
    But he was a very interesting near-retiree. When he decided not to seek reelection in 2010, he published a precise and devastating broadside against the institution in which he and his father had served.
    .
    …he proposed to close the loopholes that had enabled polarization to metastasize in paralysis. “Filibusters should require 35 senators to … make a commitment to continually debate an issue in reality, not just in theory,” he wrote. And “the number of votes needed to overcome a filibuster should be reduced to 55 from 60.” Strong stuff. He then went after money in politics, calling for “legislation to enhance disclosure requirements, require corporate donors to appear in the political ads they finance and prohibit government contractors or bailout beneficiaries from spending money on political campaigns,” not to mention “public matching funds for smaller contributions.
    .
    He waxed rhapsodic over his time teaching at Indiana University’s Graduate School of Business. “It was real, it was tangible, and it was making a difference every day,” …I want to be engaged in an honorable line of work,” was the single most persuasive and devastating critique I’d ever seen of the Senate as an institution.
    .
    But Bayh did not return to Indiana to teach. He did not, as he said he was thinking of doing, join a foundation. Rather, he went to the massive law firm McGuire Woods. And who does McGuire Woods work for? “Principal clients served from our Washington office include national energy companies, foreign countries, international manufacturing companies, trade associations and local and national businesses,”
    .
    He followed that up by signing on as a senior adviser to Apollo Management Group, a giant public-equity firm. And, finally, this week, he joined Fox News as a contributor. It’s as if he’s systematically ticking off every poison he identified in the body politic and rushing to dump more of it into the water supply.
    .
    In our last interview, Bayh complained of the poor opinion the public had of him and his colleagues. “They look at us like we’re worse than used-car salesmen.” Yes. They do. And this is why.

  • apr2563


    .
    That’s the best I can say.

  • paulejb

    apr2563@24,
    .
    Wait till the grandkids get the bill. Then you will see some real tears.

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