Health Reform Implementation Continues – For At Least 7 More Days – UPDATE

Roger Vinson, the federal judge in Florida who said in January that the entire Affordable Care Act is unconstitutional, today issued a “clarification” of his earlier ruling. (The Obama Administration had asked the judge to specify what he meant in his original decision – that the law could continue while the issue makes its way through higher courts or that the law should stop immediately.) In his latest decision, Vinson responded by saying two things that, at first glance, seem almost contradictory.

First, he said that his early order was intended to have the same effect as an “injunction,” which would have unambiguously stopped implementation of the new health reform law in its tracks. Vinson wrote that his original opinion was clear and scolded the federal government for its insistence on clarification. In today decision, he even quoted his previous ruling in which he wrote that, “there is a long-standing presumption “that officials of the Executive Branch will adhere to the law as declared by the court. As a result, the declaratory judgment is the functional equivalent of an injunction.” In other words, “Duh, I meant the law is voided for now.” Vinson further wrote in today’s ruling, “The above language seems to be plain and unambiguous.” But yet it wasn’t. After Vinson’s decision in January, some Republican governors – like Alaska’s Sean Parnell - said that to continue implementation would be wrong. Democrat-led states and the Department of Health and Human Services, however, disagreed and continued to institute the law.

Second, Vinson issued a stay of his order, making it functionally meaningless. The stay is good for seven days. By the end of that period, according to Vinson’s decision, the government must file an appeal or the stay will be lifted and implementation halted. Vinson wrote today, “I agree [with the government] that it would indeed be difficult to enjoin and halt the Act’s implementation while the case is pending appeal. It would be extremely disruptive and cause significant uncertainty.” He also noted that a stay was appropriate because states have divergent views about whether they want to proceed or stop implementation in light of the current legal challenges. To allow some to stop implementation while others proceed would create chaos, Vinson concluded.

UPDATE:

In a statement, the Department of Justice said this afternoon:

“We appreciate the court’s recognition of the enormous disruption that would have resulted if implementation of the Affordable Care Act was abruptly halted. We welcome the court’s granting of a stay to allow the current programs and consumer protections, including tax credits to small business and millions of dollars in federal grants to help states with health care costs, to continue pending our appeal in the Eleventh Circuit.

“We strongly disagree with the district court’s underlying ruling in this case and continue to believe – as three federal courts have found – that this law is constitutional. There is clear and well-established legal precedent that Congress acted within its constitutional authority in passing the Affordable Care Act and we are confident that we will ultimately prevail on appeal.”

So the ACA continues unabated, so long as the Obama Administration appeals Vinson’s decision by March 10.

Wondering which side might ultimately prevail once this matter reaches the Supreme Court? Even Vinson doesn’t know, writing today:

The sooner this issue is finally decided by the Supreme Court, the better off the entire nation will be….I cannot say that the defendants do not have a likelihood of success on appeal. They do. And so do the plaintiffs.

Related Topics: affordable care act, individual mandate, roger vinson, Health Care
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  • nflfoghorn

    Vinson must be an indecisive — I mean, independent.

  • afguy

    Maybe he decided on his position and then tried to write a rationale to support it, rather than the other way around?
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    One often has problems writing a coherent narrative around a pre-conceived outcome.

  • newfreedomblog
  • nflfoghorn

    Not Clarence Thomas, though ;)

  • afguy

    Yeah, he just “telepaths” his in. No danger of contradictions if no one knows what you are thinking anyway.

  • m0mentom0ri

    Uh oh. Rusty’s here, and he’s brought his caps lock. Let’s try to keep it clean today, Rusty.

  • jsfox

    I tend to disagree with Nader on everything and not a big fan of Jesse, but …

    I can’t say I disagree with the idea that Rush does nothing more that propagate ignorance. The dumber he makes you the richer he gets.

  • nflfoghorn

    Slightly OT – I predict he’ll be the next to go from the Supreme Court. During BO’s reign, too.

  • newfreedomblog

    Oh gee, little mori-the-moron. Feel better that JNS took up for you yesterday?

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks Kate. No doubt we’ll have lots of q’s. (and insults from rusty already) so please feel free to break the cone of silence and help us out with answers. Is his best explanation for a short stay instead of a full one pending appeal (or none at all) a mild scolding to speed up the appeals (end of p.18 / start p. 19), or do you have a better reading here, Kate?
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    I’m still wondering about p. 17’s Jurisdiction 101: he acknowledges that Michigan is one of the parties and yet a MI peer judge ruled in favor of the act. So why would he have authority to overrule his equal (Judge Steeh) if he’s outside that state / district’s jurisdiction? Yeah, thus stays and appeals, the usual dance, etc., but he skips by this and prattles on about ongoing injuries and public interests. Thoughts, Kate? And how’s the Berwick nomination process going? Are you covering it live? Thanks.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Feel better that JNS took up for you yesterday?”
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    JNS did nothing of the sort. JNS admonished you for your obscene comments. I have no control over what you type. The only person you have to blame is yourself and your own lack of self control.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Reading the DOJ’s original request for clarifacation shows that it had two separate purposes. one was to actually as stated get a clarification from the judge. The other was to demonstrate in no uncertain terms, that the judges logic, that voiding the individual mandate tainted the entire law, was bunk. There are significant sections of the bill that operate quite independently of the mandate and the letter happened to list many of them.

    The fact that the Judge did NOT confibne his ruling to the mandate clearly reveals that he was politically motivated. I beleive the pertinent phrase is ‘Legislating from the becnch”

  • newfreedomblog

    LOL a rube yet to boot. No means no mori-the-moron. You can’t be my boyfriend no matter how much you plead and beg.
    . :)

  • m0mentom0ri

    “You can’t be my boyfriend”
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    I’m curious, ‘my little friend’. What exactly is your point with the suggestion that I might be interested in a homosexual affair with you? Your previous comments on this blog have indicated a deep seated hatred of homosexuals in the past, so I doubt you’re sincere in your offer.
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    So, it must be that this is meant is some sort of oblique insult. That alluding that I am both a homosexual and interested in you as a sexual partner will in some way hurt my feelings or make me angry?
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    It doesn’t. In reality, your comments are beneath a poorly raised 12 year old. All it demonstrates is what a juvenile, petty bigot NewFreedomBlog aka Rusty truly is. A drunken, selfish little man randomly lashing out at all he despises in a public forum.
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    But keep posting Rusty, don’t let me slow you down! I’d miss our time together. Plus, I like keeping a spotlight on you. If it was up to me, I’d give you your own Fox News Show, that’s how important I think it is that you present your point of view, as a representative of the Tea Party and all it stands for, so that everyone can see it for exactly what it is.

  • fhmadvocat

    Looking at this from the outside, Judge Vinson overstepped his bounds when he ruled the whole law unconstitutional. Judges have traditionally held certain components of a statute unconstitutional without throwing the out the whole thing.

    Given the make up of the Supreme Court, they are going to throw out the individual mandate, while not finding the whole law unconstitutional. There maybe a minority opinion which says the whole thing is unconstitutional, though I think the majority will not follow.

    Frankly, I can’t understand Vinson’s reasoning for throwing the whole thing out. Nor can I understand any judge saying the individual mandate is constitutional. If the government can require me to buy a product or a service from a private company, is there no limit to what the government can tell me to do? While the government can tell me what NOT to do (can’t kill someone), it should not be able to require me to do any positve action (buy health insurance). It would have been better for Obama to have finessed it has a tax to pay for medical coverage of the uninsured.

  • newfreedomblog

    “In reality, your comments are beneath a poorly raised 12 year old. All it demonstrates is what a juvenile, petty bigot NewFreedomBlog aka Rusty truly is. A drunken, selfish little man randomly lashing out at all he despises in a public forum.”

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    Do you mean like this mori-the-moron?
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    5.1
    They’re ALL out to get you, Rusty. Have you checked for circling black helicopters?
    m0mentom0ri
    March 2, 2011
    at 12:48 pm
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    11.1
    Wait a sec, Rusty.
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    Is your problem with this that you don’t like any of the recipients? Or since they’re from the entertainment industry they must be liberal and thus anti-American, so you hate them by default?
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    Or are you such a drunken right-wing sycophant whose unreasoning hatred is so powerful that even an article that obliquely mentions President Barak Obama is enough to send you into a hangover induced frenzy of commentary spewing? Are you really that bitter?
    m0mentom0ri
    March 2, 2011
    at 10:37 am
    .
    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/03/02/morning-must-reads-corps/#ixzz1FZLwPX6O
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    16.1
    I know you think that everything that a liberal says MUST be lies, but if you’re going to post a video in which you accuse someone of lying, you might want to actually point out what you believe the lie is.
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    Because otherwise, you’d come off like a drunken idiot randomly posting YouTube clips.
    m0mentom0ri
    March 2, 2011
    at 11:09 am
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    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/03/02/morning-must-reads-corps/#ixzz1FZM4mltQ
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    23.2
    Shorter drunken Rusty: “Texas would be great, if it wasn’t for all those Hispanics.”
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    Fun fact: Texas, Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2009 (b) 36.9%
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    Nice to know Rusty is blaming Texas’ problems on more than a third of all Texans.
    m0mentom0ri
    March 2, 2011
    at
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    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/03/02/morning-must-reads-corps/#ixzz1FZMMB5fU
    .
    And all of those were totally unprovoked responses from you within the past 24 hours. As you say, “poorly raised 12 year old” comments from a complete and total TROLL.
    .
    Believe me, more intelligent people have tried to engage me with your feeble-like attempts, and they have also failed. So shall you.
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    Nice to have chatted mori-the-moron. Have a great day.
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    Remember, “no means, no”.

  • 3xfire3

    An Interesting side note to the Healthcare Debate,
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    Here is a link to a video from yesterday with Congressman Weiner trying to get Justice Thomas removed from hearing this case when it reaches the Supreme Court.
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    Interesting. I’m sure Liberals and Conservatives perception of the video will be dramatically different.
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  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    If the government can require me to buy a product or a service from a private company, is there no limit to what the government can tell me to do?

    By the “Government require me” of course you mean that a majority of the House of Representatives and a supermajority of the Senate and The President (all subject to reelection) each agree that its a good idea. There are plenty more obstacles to arbitrary power than just any one Judge.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    If the government can require me to buy a product or a service from a private company, is there no limit to what the government can tell me to do?

    By the “Government require me” of course you mean that a majority of the House of Representatives and a supermajority of the Senate and The President (all subject to reelection) each agree that its a good idea. There are plenty more obstacles to arbitrary power than just any one Judge.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Do you mean like this mori-the-moron?”
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    Excellent! You’ve mastered the copy-paste! What’s interesting is that when I do this to you, you call it stalking. I guess you believe stalking is acceptable behavior now.
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    Now, back to your latest attempt…
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    “Do you mean like this mori-the-moron?”
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    Let’s just focus on the common refrain: “drunken right-wing sycophant”
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    You are obviously right wing. You use all of the right wing talking points. Glenn Beck rules your world. You’re a Tea Partier. Thus, right wing. If feel this is inaccurate, provide evidence to the contrary.
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    You are obviously a sycophant. You’re never critical of conservatives. You’re always critical of the left, often reflexively so. And most of your posts are copy-pasted headlines from self-identifying right-wing conservative sites. Again, if you feel this is inaccurate, provide evidence to the contrary.
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    You’re obviously paranoid. George Soros. The Caliphate. Secular Humanists in league with Islam Extremists in league with the New Black Panther Party and Code Pink. Your head is a tangled mess of world-wide conspiracies that are all out to get you. If that’s not the very definition of paranoid, prove me wrong.
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    Finally, you’re obviously a drinker. I’ve provided examples of the demonstrable behavioral changes you’ve exhibited throughout the day on other occasions. Even yesterday, one could easily see your belligerence increase and intelligibility degrade as the day wore on, until management had to step in and slap you on the wrist for it. Good luck disproving that one.
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    And remember, I’m just giving back what you give us every single day here on the Swamp. The difference is: you can’t take it, you lost it, got smacked for it, and are now ashamed about it. Making it about me ain’t gonna change that. This is all about you, Rusty.

  • afguy

    Interesting. I’m sure Liberals and Conservatives perception of the video will be dramatically different.
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    Of THAT I’m certain…
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    Same for direction of earth rotation, color of sky, validity of Laws of Physics, if black is white, etc.

  • 3xfire3

    We badly need Leadership on Expediting HCR.
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    It is a shame that the Administration will not expedite this case to the Supreme Court.
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    The delays will cost a ton of money and manpower hours. We really can’t afford that with our economy in the shape it is in.
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    Everyone knows that it will eventually end up in front of the Supreme Court. The delays caused by the Administration refusing to expedite it will cost an enormous amount of money and time.
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    We need to know what is legal and what is not so we can move forward on HCR and many other important pressing issues.
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    People have little confidence in our government and BS like this doesn’t help the situation.

  • 3xfire3

    afguy,
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    One this we can surly agree on is that Weiner is a total A$$hole.

  • fhmadvocat

    Paul,

    I think we can agree that eating vegatables is a good idea, and I bet I can get a majority of the House of Representatives, a Supermajority of the Senate and the President to agree it is a good idea. Furthermore, they will have expert studies which show that eating vegatables is good for me, and that is good for the economy because it helps farmers and in the long run it saves on heath costs because I will be healthier eating vegatables, but the Government can not make me buy or eat vegatables. Nor will anyone propose a law requiring me to eat vegatables. However, if the Supreme Court upholds the individual mandate, who is to say in the future, I won’t be required to eat vegatables?

  • 3xfire3

    fhmadvocat,
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    There you go using Logic again. Don’t you know that on swampland that is considered an unfair tactic.
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    As usual a good post

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Nor will anyone propose a law requiring me to eat vegatables

    Why not? It’s not the Constitution that restrains them, but common sense. As it is, you pay for the vegetables that you don’t eat in the form of agriculture subsidies anyway. Your slippery slope has already been breached.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Note that even if the mandate IS struck down, there are other ways of acheiving the same result (which is in itself an argument in favor of its Constitutionality) But to strike down the entire law, as opposed to the parts that present a problem is without doubt a case of judicial overreach and in the end, it will probably aid in upholding the law.

  • afguy

    Maybe… but that clown car caravan called Fox News needs someone to come over periodically and treat them like they normally treat their non-RW guests.

  • newfreedomblog

    Excuse me? Who posted the original comment, mori-the-moron? I think I did, unless you have changed your name to newfreedomblog.
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    Like I said, go away TROLL I have better fish to fry.

  • rdw56

    Paul,

    you are not even close on the law and the power of one judge. You comment that because the result can be achieved another way makes this way constitutional isn’t just illlogical it’s nonsense. It could hardly be clearer this case and Judge Vinson have been selected by two different groups to turn back this federal encroachment. There are those who oppose the mandate and those who oppose the expansion of federal power via commerce clause. It is very possible you are seeing a repeat of the Heller case and Citizens United, both sharp rebukes of liberalism. This is fact could be more reaching than both of those combined. It’s clear Vinson is going to see this go to the Supreme Court and that the court already has 4 votes for restricting the commerce clause. The argument about vegetables is not only coherent but Scalia himself has used it before.

    A number of smart conservative legal experts have already predicted the mandate will be declared unconstitutional with a real chance the ruling, like citizens united and Heller, is written to reverse decades of previous rulings. Roberts has proven he’s find with broad 5-4 decisions.

    Further not liberal efforts to have Thomas and Scalia recuse themselves are legally childish and pure show. Weiner knows it’s nonsense but he gets to show his audience he’s ‘doing something, even when he isn’t. On the other hand Kagan has no choice. Nor will she hesitate. She will recuse herself.

  • rdw56

    neither you or paul know what you are talking about. This law has a clause written in it that if part of it is found unconstitutional then all of it is unconstitutional..

    You really want to read national reviews bench memo’s blog. Their legal analysis is quite excellent. Even if you don’t agree with it you will understand the conservative approach. If for example you read it before the Heller decision you’d have known it was going to be reversed, why and you would have expected them to declare the right to bear arms to be an individual right. The key in that decision, Citizens United and this one is Kennedy and he has a long track record. Unlike O’connor he doesn’t swing because he changes his mind constantly, His philosophy is moderate on some issues. THis isn’t one of them.

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