Huckabee Still Not a Birther–But His Pants Are On Fire

Posting and repeating this on behalf of Elvis Elvisber…
Not sure how deeply you all read comments on your own or other’s postings.
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This is part of the anti-colonial meme started by Dinesh D’Souza. Huckabee knew exactly what he was saying. Watch how he so gently and in such a Christian manner takes his digs at Romney.
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http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/03/01/huckabees-a-birther/#ixzz1FOWoWzrr

7Huckabee is, of course, a disgusting amoralist.
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Let us count the ways. Here’s the history he’s lying about here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6042524.stm

The numbers killed in the uprising is a subject of much controversy. Officially the number of Mau Mau and other rebels killed was 11,000, with 2,000 Africans fighting under British control also losing their lives.

Included in the Mau Mau death toll were the 1,000 suspects hanged by the British administration. Just 32 white settlers were killed in the eight years of emergency.

Professor David Anderson, director of the African Studies Centre at Oxford University, says he estimates the death toll in the conflict may have been about 25,000. The vast majority would have been Mau Mau suspects or civilians linked to them.

He said: “Everything that could happen did happen. Allegations about beatings and violence were widespread. Basically you could get away with murder. It was systematic.”
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Martyn Day, the British human rights solicitor acting on behalf of the 12 Mau Mau veterans and civilians, says his clients had suffered terribly in the camps or at the hands of British-led soldiers.

He said: “They were put in camps where they were subject to severe torture, malnutrition, beatings. The women were sexually assaulted. Two of the 12 were castrated. The most severe gruesome torture you could imagine.
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“A lot of the officers involved were white, they were controlling the violence against these Mau Mau. It wasn’t just isolated individual officers. It was systematic. The whole purpose was to break the Mau Mau.”

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This post is about what we’ve come to expect from Time, Swampland, and Sullivan. In a way, it’s even worse that JNS’s post. JNS simply lied; Sullivan isn’t explicitly lying but smearing and doing so in a way that has a vague ’1984′ feel to it.
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P.S. I’ve been conducting an “anti-Birther” smarts/integrity test at this link for over five months. It’s a fairly simple test with just one question. Yet, after over five months and thousands of views, just one (1) Obama fan has passed it.
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I’d be honored if Amy Sullivan would give it a try. After all, she’s got all the answers, right?

I would like to point out that Michael J. Fox grew up in Mexico. In fact, that talk about revolutionaries like Pancho Villa made him want stem cell research.
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Oh, he was born in Canada, my bad. Slip of the tongue.

Is it one of those “invisible” tests? With pre-determined results?
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Hey, I’ve “seen” those too.

When will “they” stop questioning President Obama’s birthplace!. He is part of our Hawaiian “Ohana” here and don’t they know that Hawaii is the 50th state of America! For Huckabee to even bring this up after all this time is a bit far stretched!

So… what does he have to do to lose his claim to “serious” coverage? Because if I went around saying such thinks about Obama, you’d just dismiss me as a crank or a kook, right? So why the double standard around Huckabee?

I think Obama is actually Charlie Sheen.

Nobody gives a flying f— about your “tests”.
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If you have some evidence that Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii then produce it. Until then STFU.

This is the most sorry-ass explanation I’ve ever heard. IOW, Huckabee is STILL accusing Obama of harboring some anti-Western prejudices…he just thought they were rooted in Indonesia instead of Kenya.

It would be like if when George Allen used the word “macaca” he “explained” it by saying “Oh, I thought the guy was black, not indian”.

This birther nonsense needs to stop. If Citizens United did anything, it proved how far right wing our supreme justices are–the majority of them anyway. If there was any real validity to the question of where Barack Hussain Obama was born, those justices would have looked into by now. They haven’t because there is no question as to where the POTUS was born–Cambodia LOL

He’s a Republican, yet he’s somewhat clean & articulate, so he gets preferential treatment. It’s the soft bigotry of low expectations.
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Thanks, apr2563, for bringing my comment from the last thread over here.
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I really am blown away at Huckabee’s gleeful ignorance. Bad enough that he’s willing to lie about the president’s birthplace in order to inflame his followers’ resentment of him (and then lie about the fact that he was lying).
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But it really is shocking to me that Huckabee obviously views the world through a prism of “white people = good; brown people = bad.”
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There’s simply no defense of the unconscionable actions of white settlers & British government in Kenya. But Huckabee is so wrapped up in the tribalist hatreds that define GOP membership that he can only pick sides based on skin color.
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If you read that part of the interview, that’s 100% what this is about– Huckabee and his interviewer believe that the president “despises” the US, UK, and Israel because they have white people (good news, Jews: right-wing nationalist whites now think of you as “white people”. Welcome!): http://mediamatters.org/blog/201103010018
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Being a Republican is 100% about resentment, and 0% about policy beliefs.

I went to your link and your test seems to be a pic of some kind of birth certificate that you ask to be described and claim it’s an “anit birther” intelligence test. I honestly dont know if it’s a pic of the one released or not and dont care. I have an intelligence test for you. Are you being who live on the Flat Earth familiar with the tern “circular logic”?

Oh and if you fail this intelligence test, you wont get the insult.

Fruitcake lol

If you have some evidence that Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii then produce it. Until then STFU.
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There’s no real concept behind the conspiracy theories. I mean, do they think that Obama’s mother secretly ran away to Kenya to give birth, because… um… ???? And then named him “Barack Hussein Obama” and put announcements in the Hawaii newspaper and got the Hawaii birth certificate as part of a long-term plan to get him elected president and destroy America?
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If you think about it for 20 seconds, you realize that it makes absolutely no sense. But none of them ever do.
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The virulent anti-Obama sentiment from the GOP and nativists is rooted in resentment toward out groups, so facts and logic don’t matter. From every Tea Partier waving signs to just about every Republican officeholder, it’s just chants of, “He ain’t one of us! Don’t tread on me! O’Doyle Rules!“

I can understand that some people want confirmation that Obama, is in fact, an American citizen who was born in America considering how much of his childhood was spent abroad, in fact, it is in the Constitution that the requirement for presidency is a being born in the United States, and having lived in the United States for at least fourteen years.

This is a legitimate issue.

For almost three years ago.

The problem I have with the birther argument today is everything was confirmed ages before the last election.

So why are we asking this now? (Or rather, why are we expecting any different answer than before?)

…and, besides Emilio, he has another brother named Afro.

The right is having a ball with spreading misinformation, half-truths and bold-faced lies throughout the country (especially via its paid henchmen @ Flox). Huckleberry can act all Christian if he wants, but it’s clear he’s pandering to the TP base that the GOP has sadly become.
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WWJD? Smite him, I hope.

“JNS simply lied”
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and YOU’RE purer than the driven snow??
Think otherwise.

Born in the US, my daughter’s middle name is Kenya. Does this mean she’s anti-colonial?

IIRC, John McCain was born on a US military base in Panama, but this was never an issue for him. Has the SCOTUS defined “Natural Born” in black and white terms? (or, in black and white terms?)

> is this the GOP playbook for 2012?
This is the GOP playbook for 2012.
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FTFY.

Yes it is. Apparently, they are devoting a whole chapter to it:

“Atlanta, GA (AP) – Georgia is the latest state to propose legislation that questions whether President Barack Obama was born in the U.S.

Georgia Rep. Mark Hatfield, a Republican, says he introduced the
bill Monday because he still doesn’t know if Obama is eligible to serve as president. Ninety-two of his GOP colleagues and one Democrat also support the bill, which is enough for the proposal to pass the Georgia House.

Ten other states also have measures that want more proof before Obama’s name is put on the 2012 ballot, even though Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama’s citizenship and his birth certificate has been made public.

So-called “birthers” have contended since 2008 that Obama is
ineligible to be president. They argue he was actually born in Kenya.
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It is called feeding the base some more paranoia and fear. It is about that black man in the White House.

nflfoghorn: unlike Time, JNS, Amy Sullivan, and most other left or right hacks I take great care to be accurate and to be intellectually honest. Which you’d know if you’d ever visited my site.
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In fact, I’ve posted over 9400 posts since 2002. And, for two years, I’ve had a corrections thread linked from every page of the site. So far, no requests for corrections have come in. If Time did that they’d have to buy a whole server farm to handle the load.
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Part of that accuracy includes never once claiming that O was born in K or some other strange place. I think there’s a good chance that he was born in HI.
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My point – and I realize this is too complex for 99% of political hacks to understand – is that he hasn’t definitely proved it. All the evidence he’s so far presented is full of holes. And, plenty of O defenders – mainly in the MSM – tie themselves into knots lying for him in an attempt to paper over the fact that he hasn’t proved it.
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My argument is, frankly, at too high a level for most who leave comments at Swampland to understand.

it is in the Constitution that the requirement for presidency is a being born in the United States
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This is patently false. Location of birth has nothing to do with qualifications for the presidency. Article II, Section I of the Constitution simply states, “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.” The operative words in the clause are “natural born citizen.”
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US citizenship is conferred in two ways: birth within the confines of US territory (i.e. states and territories in which citizenship is a birthright) or at least one parent being a US citizen who has lived in the United States. Title 8 in the US Code outlines this if you actually care to read it (http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html). I’d suggest reading it before you continue to spread false information about how one gains citizenship.

The only way the birther argument actually works, though, is if they deny the fact that the President was actually born to his mother. Title 8 of the US Code clearly states that citizenship can be passed to a child from a parent who is a US citizen and has lived in the United States. Obama’s mother meets those qualifications.
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So, even if Barack Obama was born in Kenya, unless they’re really going to question the maternity of Ann Dunham, it doesn’t matter. But then, no one ever said that birthers actually understood the Constitution, the US legal code or anything else they claim to revere. They’re just bludgeons they ignorantly wield at those offering facts.

I think we can make the safe assumption that any Republican presidential candidate that even hints at some sort of “Kenyan” or international connection to President Obama is DOA with voters. No doubt this will get him tons of love from the GOP, half of which believes our president is a Muslim born outside the USA. But that’s as far as it goes…
http://www.sunstateactivist.org

I’m with Huckabee on this birth issue. If there was any truth to the story, the vaunted Clinton opposition research teams would have sniffed it out back in 2008.
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These people cut their teeth on Bill Clinton’s many “bimbo eruptions” and nothing gets past them. There is not a trailer park in the country that they have not trolled through. They make the CIA look like a troop of Girl Scouts.
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So give it up you “birthers.” Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, no matter how much that fool, Gov Neil Abercrombie {D-HI}, clouds the issue with his bumbling.

Don’t let these facts get in the way, however:
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Fact #1 – Obama’s mother, “Stanley”, renounced her son’s American citizenship when she permitted her Indonesian Husband Soetoro to adopt Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama. Citizenship being renounced and Indonesian citizenship was granted to the young boy.
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Fact #2 – Once citizenship is renounced, that person no longer can lay claim, even at a later time in adult life to U.S.Citizenship and qualify to be President of the United States of America.
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Fact #3 – No birth certificate has been produced to date which unequivocally proves birth in any of the States or Territories recognized.
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Fact #4 – Proof has been found that Obama / Soetoro was born in Kenya, with a Kenyan birth certificate issued and on file in Kenya.

I don’t think the Clintons are as good at uncovering the truth, but rather burying it. Who was found dead in the backyard again?

“In fact, I’ve posted over 9400 posts since 2002. And, for two years, I’ve had a corrections thread linked from every page of the site. So far, no requests for corrections have come in. If Time did that they’d have to buy a whole server farm to handle the load.”
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If that doesn’t prove that your statement is factual, then what will?
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In fact – this is what’s called circular logic. Since no one bothered proving you wrong, except for the fact that it’s pure drivel, than you’re right.
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Or all dogs are white – you observed and watched 100 dogs, never saw a black one so all dogs are white, despite people saying that they saw a black one.
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It all makes sense if you disconnect the pursuit of data as suppose to only look for the things you think support your end result.
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Birthers are just like truthers – divorced from reality.

Fact # 5
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You’re a birther. That’s it.

Obama was born in a hospital in Hawaii, but there was a doctor working in ER that night that was born in Japan. This proves that the earth is 7000 years old.

Fact #1 – Obama’s mother, “Stanley”, renounced her son’s American citizenship when she permitted her Indonesian Husband Soetoro to adopt Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama. Citizenship being renounced and Indonesian citizenship was granted to the young boy.
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Huh? How does an adoption of the child by a non-American parent equate to “renounciation” of said child’s American citizenship? Particularly when the American parent — who acutally counts in terms of citizenship — still maintains parental rights?
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Put more simply, if you go to China and adopt a kid, that kid doesn’t automatically become an American. You have to request that child become an American.
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Furthermore, there are plenty of Americans who carry multiple passports. The European Union countries grant passports — signifiers of citizenship — to the American children of European parents pretty consistently (I know several such individuals). Natural born Americans do not automatically “renounce” their citizenship because they gain other citizenship.
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I know that you don’t actually do any research, but here are some actual facts:
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1) His mother is an American which makes him an American regardless of location of birth.
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2) The process of renouncing citizenship is that — a process. It requires making a statement before a US diplomat or making a written statement. In other words, it’s a voluntary action. And, by the way, it costs $450 (http://immigration.lawyers.com/citizenship/Abandonment-or-Renunciation-of-Your-US-Citizenship.html). You have no proof that Barack Obama did either of those things.
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I know the fact-based world gets in the way of a good conspiracy theory, but your birther nonsense is easy to poke holes in. It literally requires a three second Google search.

kattest123 decided not to include other dogs in his “observations”.
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That works too. As a matter of fact, that’s the FOX way of doing things.

I should amend one thing in my statement:
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Natural born Americans do not automatically “renounce” their citizenship because they gain other citizenship.
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To clarify, Naturally born American citizens do not “renounce” their citizenship if circumstances of paternity permit them to hold other citizenship. If they are naturalized after the age of 18, that is a circumstance under which US citizenship can be lost. Either way, still proves that the birther nonsense is just that: nonsense.

…but we recognized Hawai’i as the 50th state.
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Oh, hell. Never mind.
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Hippoath is right. #5 explains it all.

Alert! Alert!
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Scramble the jets!
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Pigs flying SSE at 16 Angles, er, angels. Purple and orange. Repeat.
Pigs flying SSE at 16 angels. Purple and orange.
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Intercept and destroy before they reach our coast.
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That is all.

newfreedomblog@15.1,
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There is no one better than the Clinton opposition research teams. Remember all those FBI files on Republicans that mysteriously showed up in the Clinton White House?
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These people could come up with the dirt under your fingernails. They had plenty of practice keeping track of Bill’s amorous companions.
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I am sure they had the full skinny on Obama right down to his jock size.

Barack Hussein Obama is ineligible to be the President of the United States for many reasons, but his place of birth is not one of them.

Oh man, I would love to hear these “many reasons.” Make sure you cite the section of the Constitution that applies as well. (You guys are fond of that, aren’t you?)

Opinion 1 – See koabd’s post at 17
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Opinion 2 – See opinion 1
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Opinion 3 – No birth certificate will ever satisfy you. If God Himself came down from on High with Obama’s birth certificate you would call it a forgery and God a heretic. See also certificate of live birth, newspaper birth announcements, etc
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Opinion 4 – you mean the debunked dribble you posted previously? The one that a) lists, as the city of his birth, a city that was not actually a part of Kenya at that time and b) was much farther away than another major city that was in Kenya?
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Face it, Rusty, you can call garbage caviar, but it’s still garbage.

“Barack Hussein Obama is ineligible to be the President of the United States for many reasons, but his place of birth is not one of them.”
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Such as? My understanding is that there are only 2 things – age and natural born.
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What else? He’s a ‘librul’?
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Mah Gosh

Let me add that I’ve got over 20,000 comments at my site, and – unlike l/w or r/w bloggers – I don’t encourage an echo chamber. And, I’ve only deleted or edited about 10 comments (aside from commercial spam), mostly for giving out people’s addresses and the like. Unlike l/w or r/w bloggers, I don’t delete comments for ideological reasons.
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While plenty of those comments disagree with my *opinions*, only a few have pointed out a factual error (which I then rushed to correct). Other than those few, I’m not aware of a single comment out of all those 20,000 comments that’s shown me getting something wrong.
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When I leave comments on other sites, 99.9% of the replies are content-free (such as can be seen above) or simply engage in ad homs; people want to show how I’m wrong but just can’t do it.
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I’m certainly not perfect, it just looks that way.
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