Morning Must Reads: Governors

New Jersey Governor Chris Christie shares a toast with his table mates as President Obama plays host to a dinner for the National Governor’s Association in Washington on February 27. (REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst)

–A federal government shutdown won’t happen this week, but that doesn’t mean anyone can spot budget consensus on the horizon.

–No one has budged in Wisconsin’s deadlock. After enormous weekend protests, the die-hards remain camped in the capitol.

–The Star-Ledger’s ed board gives Chris Christie credit for not going after collective bargaining. Mike Bloomberg takes a similar angle in The New York Times.

–The Washington Post writes up the pitfalls of, as Joe put it, organizing “against the might and greed…of the public?”

–BusinessWeek runs through the ol’ “nation as corporation” thought exercise, which isn’t particularly illuminating for either, but did remind me of this sentence from a recent Steven Pearlstein column on the tried and true story templates journalists fall back on when they’re at a loss: “Back when I was working at Inc. magazine in the mid-1980s, we loved nothing better when approaching a public-sector issue than to ask how the private sector would handle it.”

–Newt Gingrich will reportedly be announcing a presidential exploratory committee “within 10 days.” Out on the trail, he hopes for forgiveness.

–As it turns out, Haley Barbour unnecessarily discussed paying “more attention to the girls than to [Martin Luther] King.” The speech never happened.

–State budget pain knows no party, but although Nebraska Governor Dave Heineman is mentioned in this piece, no Republican governor is quoted warning against aid cuts. It’s a dynamic worth watching with the National Governors Association meeting in Washington.

–Former Obama economics adviser Christina Romer, bemoaning what she sees as timidity at the Fed: “Monetary policy makers are all [inflation] hawks now.”

–Karl Rove and the ascendant American Crossroads get a treatment in New York Magazine. A taste:

“What happened in 2010 had nothing to do with Karl and nothing to do with American Crossroads and everything to do with the political environment,” Dowd says. “Karl maintains a lot of the myth in a world not based totally in facts.”

The same, he says, goes for the 2012 presidential election. “The reason why a Republican is nominated won’t be because of Karl,” he says. “That doesn’t mean he won’t create a narrative.”

But creating a narrative is perhaps Rove’s greatest talent. He rewrote a Connecticut blue blood as a Texas good ol’ boy, a persona Rove himself inhabits like a Method actor, gamely dropping red-state signifiers like “Git’r done!” And as Republican candidates come and go, Rove will act as a narrator on TV while he kicks up millions for American Crossroads.

–Someone claiming to represent hacktivist collective Anonymous says they took down the website of the the Koch-funded Americans For Prosperity.  Color me skeptical.

–On Obama and Omaha.

–Tim Pawlenty, who has a real shot at corralling a certain corner of the base in a small field, makes overtures to the Tea Party.

–And the Weekly Standard, which usually directs its satire at Democrats, pokes fun at him.

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  • paulejb

    Collective bargaining for public sector unions means that they are bargaining with the people that they helped put into office with their cash and thousands of volunteers. The deck is stacked against the taxpayers because their so called representatives are owned, body and soul, by the public employee unions.
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    Why else would 14 Wisconsin State Senators give up the comforts of home to flee the state? These people do not represent their constituents. They represent the unions.

  • newfreedomblog

    I’m Back!!!
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    After 4 days in Phoenix, AZ at the largest gather of Tea Party coordinators, I am pumped up and ready to roll.
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    Did anyone miss me?
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    I am surprised that TIME.com was not at this event with one of their crack reporters. Did you all not get the invitation? LOL
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    But, a great long weekend filled with super speakers (Joe Arpaio was my favorite), we were able to network with each other and learn more about “community organizing”.
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    Next step, remove Obama from the White House in 2012.
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    Enjoy!!

  • newfreedomblog

    gather should read “gathering”

  • allthingsinaname

    In practice, however, when advocates of lower spending get a chance to put their ideas into practice, the burden always seems to fall disproportionately on those very children they claim to hold so dear.

    Consider, as a case in point, what’s happening in Texas, which more and more seems to be where America’s political future happens first. ………………………
    .And in low-tax, low-spending Texas, the kids are not all right. The high school graduation rate, at just 61.3 percent, puts Texas 43rd out of 50 in state rankings. Nationally, the state ranks fifth in child poverty; it leads in the percentage of children without health insurance. And only 78 percent of Texas children are in excellent or very good health, significantly below the national average…………………….
    few months ago another Texas miracle went the way of that education miracle of the 1990s. For months, Gov. Rick Perry had boasted that his “tough conservative decisions” had kept the budget in surplus while allowing the state to weather the recession unscathed. But after Mr. Perry’s re-election, reality intruded — funny how that happens — and the state is now scrambling to close a huge budget gap. (By the way, given the current efforts to blame public-sector unions for state fiscal problems, it’s worth noting that the mess in Texas was achieved with an overwhelmingly nonunion work force.)
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/28/opinion/28krugman.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

  • lreed580

    Not what I wanted to see……Chris Christie’s picture first thing in the morning. I saw several interviews with Democratic governors over the weekend…specifically Brian Sweitzer and Deval Patrick. They also successfully negotiated with the unions…….the difference being they don’t attack the teachers and attempt to demoralize public employees.

    Why do governors who are making the tough choices and deep cuts, but who do it in a far less confrontational way not get acknowledged? My governor here in Oregon is also a good example of one making the tough choices, but negotiating to ensure that unions share in the sacrifice but he’s not on the attack.

    It seems some in the press gravitate to those who bully and demean.

  • garylk

    Did you check the immigration status of the maids at your hotel?

  • allthingsinaname

    LePage was unsure about the feasibility of passing right-to-work legislation.

    “You know, it’s going to be a battle,” he said. “The people that elected me want jobs. They don’t care if they’re union jobs or non-union jobs. They just want a paycheck.”
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    http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/0211/LePage_Were_going_after_righttowork.html
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    No what we want is a decent job, with decent pay and benefits. Not just a pay check

  • Ivy_B

    The untold story of how the contributions to pensions and health care became such a crisis. This article is about NJ, since the picture is of the media’s new John McCain, Chris Christie, however a similar thing happened in PA. The difference in PA is the the Republican governor Ridge raised the benefits and lowered the vesting time, dramatically increasing the costs in the good years, with no plan for funding. The former 2010 Gov. candidate, Sam Rohrer, who is taking the position of running the Koch Brothers operation in PA, voted for it at the time and during the campaign admitted it was a very big mistake.

    The Garden State owes nearly $67 billion in health benefits to former government employees and current public workers who are in the pipeline to retire. A study by the Pew Center on the States found that New Jersey has the highest unfunded liability for retiree health costs of any state.

    The state has promised health insurance to almost 420,000 active state and local employees and about 196,000 retired workers and spouses. Public employees are eligible to continue medical insurance into retirement if they have 25 years of service.

    <b<But New Jersey is one of about 20 states that haven't saved any money for those benefits, instead operating on a "pay as you go" system.

    It wasn’t always this way.

    In the late 1980s, New Jersey began “prefunding” retiree health benefits in a special account, similar to the way it had been putting money into the pension fund.

    “It was a good fiscal practice,” said Richard Keever, who was budget director at the time, under Govs. Thomas Kean and Jim Florio.

    But that system ended after Christie Whitman became governor in 1994 and cut payments to the pension and health-care funds to balance the budget while cutting taxes.

    “Rather than cut another program or raise taxes, [state officials] said, ‘Ha, there’s some money sitting there. We’ll just latch on to it,’ ” said Keever.

    The scope of the liabilities gained attention only in recent years after new accounting standards forced governments to make greater public disclosures.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/20110228_Temperature_still_rising_over_N_J__health_costs.html

  • newfreedomblog

    “Did you check the immigration status of the maids at your hotel?”

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    No, that is not my job. “Sheriff Joe” has a great handle on it in Maricopa County.
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    Here is a news flash, Sheriff Joe will be running for the seat that Kyle is vacating. Just in case you are wondering.

  • newfreedomblog

    You are citing a Jersey article to support your claim about Pennsylvania? Give me a break already.
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    Pennsylvania’s pension fund is in trouble because the Unions have such a strangle hold on both parties.
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    Enough said.

  • paulejb

    There is good news today. National Geographic reports that even a small nuclear war could reverse global warming. Al Gore, call your office.
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    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/02/110223-nuclear-war-winter-global-warming-environment-science-climate-change/

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    This budget business is starting to get interesting. Up until now there was no evidence that the GOP freshmen actually wanted to reduce spending. Proposals to kill support to agencies that do a great deal of good and represent a net savings in federal spending, like Planned Parenthood and WIC, AND are programs that reflect core Democratic value aren’t serious attempts to reduce spending.
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    Finding programs the Democrats would not have a problem, or have already committed to, eliminating shows they may actually mean what they say.
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    There are plenty of subsidies in the budget–oil companies, big Ag etc–that could be eliminated in ways that would be doubly helpful, in that it would save money and represent good public policy. Also, there’s the whole defense apparatus that is in place that permits the US to deter a Soviet invasion of Europe that has become somewhat out of date.
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    And the mohair subsidy!

  • pintortwo

    Serious question: did you discuss defense spending (ending the wars, ending NATO, closing overseas bases, significant cuts to weapon production and R+D, no nuclear triad, stopping base/infrastructure construction overseas…) as crucial to lowering overall spending? Were the “community organizing” discussions focused on bettering those communities or removing Obama?
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    Also, I gotta knock you here.. learn more about “community organizing”. Seems most Tea Party groups are now very interested in this formerly unserious topic, and the work of Saul Alinsky.

  • Ivy_B

    My comments indicated that I was talking about NJ, with a comparison to PA and how the problems began here. Perhaps I wasn’t clear. This is a reference that backs up my comment about PA.

    If you want to narrow down political responsibility for the impending disaster in Pennsylvania, start with former Gov. Tom Ridge and his co-conspirators in the Pennsylvania General Assembly.

    It started in 2001 when the legislators decided they needed to increase their own pensions by 50 per cent, To divert attention from themselves — lest anyone think them greedy — they raised the future benefits of some 300,000 active state workers by 25 per cent. They did the same for local school employees.

    Ridge went along with it, and promised it would not cost the taxpayers anything because the booming economy was producing hefty income for the invested pensions funds. The increases were approved quicker than you could say “boondoggle,” without even a word of debate.

    The following year, already-retired state workers decided they were entitled to similar taxpayer generosity, and they were given nice raises. How nice? A state employee who retires at age 60 after 35 years of service can receive 70 per cent of his final salary – for life.

    The economy took a nasty turn in 2002. Those double-digit yields on pension fund investments disappeared. When Ed Rendell succeeded Ridge in 2003, his budget-makers suddenly faced the prospect of making sharply higher payments to keep the funds for state workers and teachers afloat, lest their unfunded accrued liabilities continue to rise.

    Rather than confront the issue then, Rendell and the Legislature — ever a hot-bed of cold feet — simply voted to avoid making most of these payments for the next 10 years.

    In other words, the pain was delayed until 2012. It seemed so far away at the time.

    But, as they say, it’s not the long fall that kills you, it’s the sudden stop.

    http://www.phlmetropolis.com/2010/03/pennsylvanias-pension-crisis-part-one.php

    Another one. Many more easily found with teh Google.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07001/750256-192.stm

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    For good or ill the oil age is ending. With oil back over the $100 mark for varying reasons, production cut way back, and no sign of oil becoming more affordable, it may finally be time to exit this stage of economics.

    Report on the varying loci of oil fade.

    This will be very painful, unfortunately. Hopefully in the long run we’ll be stronger, but with our turn toward austerity & a rising crunch on all things that rely on oil (transportation, food, plastic production) you can bet that a second down turn is back on the table.

  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    While it’s true that unions are bargaining, in some cases, with people they helped to elect, isn’t it also true that businesses are very often regulated by, or try to get business from, politicians that they help to elect.

    Unless you’re for public campaign financing and a ban on political donations, it seems odd to get worked up over the political influence of unions when the political influence of business is so prevalent.

  • freeinpa

    “After enormous weekend protests”
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    I guess the definition of enormous just got smaller. Most of the protests were small and the larger ones had folks bused in. The main point to be taken the only ones supporting this greed is the unions,Move-on.org,
    Democratic politicians and the Main Stream Media.

    50-State Union Protest Falls Far Short Of Predicted Turnout
    Protests in support of Wisconsin public sector unions were organized by MoveOn.org and labor unions today.

    Promoters, such as David Dayen at Firedoglake, were predicting a million-person turnout nationwide. But reports as of 7:00 E.S.T. today make clear that other than in Madison, Wisconsin, the crowds were sparse.

    The turnout in Madison was sizable, with estimates ranging over from 50-70,000, which included protesters bused in from other states. (Dayen is trying to pump the crowd estimate to over 100,000.) But elsewhere, the crowds numbered only in the hundreds or low thousands.

    In Washington, D.C., only about 500 people showed up (go to link for good photos of crazy signs). (Note, WaPo says 1000.)

    In Columbus, OH, where you would expect a big crowd given a similar controversy, only “several thousand” people protested.

    Other head counts, based on news reports, include: Boston (1000), Portsmouth, N.H. (few hundred), Augusta, ME (small crowd), New York City (“several thousand”), Chicago (1000), Miami (100), Austin (several hundred), Chicago (1000); Lansing, MI (2000), Nashville (hundreds), Los Angeles (2000), Richmond, VA (300), Denver (1000); Frankfurt, KY (several hundred), Jefferson City, MO (several hundred), Harrisburg, PA (several hundred).

    While I don’t have a complete count, based on these numbers from some major cities and labor states, total protesters nationwide (excluding Madison) likely totaled under 100,000 combined.

    Outside of Madison, there were no reports of sizable crowds. And if you read the news reports, almost all the protesters were other union members. Despite the efforts, the organizers failed to motivate significant numbers of non-union members to come out for protests.

    The 50-state protest was a failure, plain and simple, although the images from Madison may create the false impression of massive nationwide protests.

    http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/02/50-state-union-protest-falls-far-short.html

  • pintortwo

    1000 words..
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    Waiter: Ah, good afternoon, sir; and how are we today?
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    Mr Christie: Better.

    Waiter: Better?
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    Mr Christie: Better get a bucket, I’m gonna throw up.

  • garylk

    No big surprise to me. Arpaio is a professional bureaucrat, he has no choice but to rise to the level of his own incompetence.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Got a question that came up after SZ and I talked on Saturday about nobody talking about Taft-Hartley in the context of the Wisconsin citizen actions. If you’re not aware of it, Taft Hartley regulates labor unions, and defines the role of the NLRB. In doing so, the act prohibits pretty much any strike or protest action by pretty much any group in support of a strike by a particular union:
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    The Taft–Hartley Act prohibited jurisdictional strikes, wildcat strikes, solidarity or political strikes, secondary boycotts, secondary or “common situs” picketing, closed shops, and monetary donations by unions to federal political campaigns.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft%E2%80%93Hartley_Act
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    If you click through to the wiki, you’ll see that T-H was a response to a broadly based union movement in the immediate post-war era. Of course, the threat of a communist takeover of the US by infiltration of trade unions was part of the justification.
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    I am curious about the views of the rightists here on whether T-H should be abolished. The communist threat thing has dissipated, if it ever existed. The restrictions on citizen action seems draconian and unAmerican to me, and seem to fly in the face of the philosophies of contemporary conservatives, who look more to the Constitution than to corporate interests as their raison d’etre.
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    FWIW I’ve asked a couple of people who I follow on twitter–Jesse Walker of Reason magazine and Jon Henke of The Next Right. Jesse said “repeal it” Jon refused to express an opinion.
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    newfreedomblog? Freep?

  • freeinpa

    “It started in 2001 when the legislators decided they needed to increase their own pensions by 50 per cent, To divert attention from themselves”
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    Proving still one more time that expanding government and government regulation is a recipe for disaster. The Don Quiote dream that larger government and more regulations will save us is beyond titling at wind mills

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    Reality, perception, and Japan’s ‘lost decades.’

    Certainly anyone who visits Japan these days is struck by the obvious affluence even among average citizens. The cars on the roads, for instance, are generally much larger and better equipped than in the 1980s (indeed state of the art navigation devices, for instance, are more or less standard on many models). Overseas vacation travel has more than doubled since the 1980s. The Japanese boast the world’s most advanced cell phones, and the biggest and best high-definition television screens. Japan’s already long life expectancy has increased by nearly two years. Its Internet connections are some of the world’s fastest — something like ten times faster on average than American speeds. [...]
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    On the negative side, there is also the fact that Japan’s economic growth rate, as least as calculated officially, has averaged little more than 1 percent a year in the last two decades. For those who propound the “stagnation” story, this is their strongest card. But it does not accord with the common observation — undeniable to those who have known the country since the 1980s — that the Japanese people have enjoyed one of the biggest improvements in living standards of any major First World nation in the interim.

  • freeinpa

    Yes we have scaled back oil production in this country as drilling on “sacred land” and offshore were essentially banned by those on the left for the over-promised under-delievered “green jobs”.
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    Here is the result of government picking winners and losers “investing” taxpayer money:
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    Solyndra Inc., the high-flying solar panel maker once touted by President Barack Obama as a model for a green energy future, said Wednesday it has scuttled its factory expansion in Fremont, a move that will stop the company’s plans to hire 1,000 workers.

    Solyndra said it will also close an existing factory in the East Bay. That will leave the company with one Fremont factory, a new plant visible from Interstate 880.

    The moves mean that instead of having 2,000 workers in Fremont, Solyndra will cap its work force at 1,000, which is about the current level. Solyndra also will, over the next several weeks, eliminate 155 to 175 jobs in Fremont. That includes 135 contract employees and 20 to 40 full-time workers, said David Miller, a Solyndra spokesman.
    In other words, we invested $535 million into a company that apparently couldn’t compete on a price basis with its foreign competition.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “After 4 days in Phoenix, AZ at the largest gather of Tea Party coordinators, I am pumped up and ready to roll.”
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    Lovely. Drunken nutcase Rusty will have a whole new set of paranoid delusions to share with us.
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    Or maybe they’ve combined them all into one? Something like:
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    Iman George Soros and Kenyan New Black Panther Party Leader Barak Sotero have joined forces with Radical Islam and Secular Humanists to institute a New One World Caliphate Order so that Sharia Law can be used to ban transfats.

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    Feel free to copy-paste that, nutcase, it’ll save you a lot of time in the future. Free of charge, no need to thank me.

  • Ivy_B

    That had nothing to do with expanding government. The size of the general assembly has not increased in many, many years. Regulation also has no part in this problem.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    “These are not the words of a statesman. These are the words of a hooligan.”

    I reached the unacceptably reasonable and pragmatic Cullen by phone in Illinois, where he is hiding out from Wisconsin state troopers who, dispatched by state Republicans, had been at his home each of the past two nights to try to force him back to the capitol.
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    Cullen had a description of Walker, too. “This is the eighth governor that I’ve worked with in one way or another – four Republicans, four Democrats – and this is the first governor who takes a clear public position that he will never negotiate,” said Cullen, who worked in Republican governor Tommy Thompson’s administration between stints in the state Senate. “The other seven were willing to take the 70 or 80 percent of what they wanted. . . . That’s what you need to do to make government work.”

  • freeinpa

    “the common observation — undeniable to those who have known the country since the 1980s — that the Japanese people have enjoyed one of the biggest improvements in living standards of any major First World nation in the interim.”
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    One could substitute the US for Japan and note similar results And yet the left continues to whine about this country and yet find a similar situation in another country to be marvelous. But anecdotal observations are not reality. Japan has a debt to GDP ratio (196%) that is only exceeded by Zimbawe. I guess spending for all of the improvement to a standard of living is ok as long as you don’t live long enough to deal with its downside.

  • freeinpa

    Someone needs to inform the coward in hiding what the definition of hooligan is

  • freeinpa

    On her way to becoming the new Helen Thomas.
    Somebody need to inform Clift that Walker won the election by the same margin as Obama did. I wonder if see now believes that Obama doesn’t represent the peoiple?

    ELEANOR CLIFT, NEWSWEEK: Since when does Scott Walker represent “the people”?

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    There must be something in Rusty’s drinking water.

    While the existence of the toxic wastes has been reported, thousands of internal documents obtained by The New York Times from the Environmental Protection Agency, state regulators and drillers show that the dangers to the environment and health are greater than previously understood.
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    The documents reveal that the wastewater, which is sometimes hauled to sewage plants not designed to treat it and then discharged into rivers that supply drinking water, contains radioactivity at levels higher than previously known, and far higher than the level that federal regulators say is safe for these treatment plants to handle.
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    Other documents and interviews show that many E.P.A. scientists are alarmed, warning that the drilling waste is a threat to drinking water in Pennsylvania. Their concern is based partly on a 2009 study, never made public, written by an E.P.A. consultant who concluded that some sewage treatment plants were incapable of removing certain drilling waste contaminants and were probably violating the law.

    (on a related note, check out Gasland, a documentary on this very subject. Trailer:

    and yes, freeper, the debunking has already been debunked.)

  • Matt

    The negotiating is a waste. No amount of compromise or hard work on the part of Democrats to craft a budget solution will appease the hard-liners in the GOP. Republicans are itching to shut down the government for good as a means of appeasing their Tea Party base.
    http://www.sunstateactivist.org

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    “In truth, such deep and sudden cuts could derail the recovery…”

    The question is whether the Obama administration and the Senate can prevail against the false rhetoric. Facts, analysis and the moral high ground all favor opponents of the measure. The aim is not to avoid difficult budget decisions, but to block the Republicans’ heedless effort while starting a reasoned budget debate.

    In a recent report, economists at Goldman Sachs estimated that the House cuts would reduce economic growth by 1.5 percentage points to 2 percentage points in the second and third quarters of 2011. That would devastate employment. As a rule of thumb, each percentage point drop in growth means a loss of 1.2 million jobs.

    The cuts also would be off point. All of them come from discretionary spending, a sliver of the budget that excludes the government’s biggest and fastest-growing outlays, chiefly Medicare and Medicaid. Over the past decade, Pentagon spending has accounted for almost all of the increase in discretionary outlays, with much of the rest going to homeland security, veterans benefits and the No Child Left Behind education initiative. Aside from defense, there is not a lot to cut prudently.

    Which leads to the strongest argument of all against the House Republican bill — most of the cuts would be counterproductive. Annual spending on education through high school is cut by 12 percent, or nearly $6 billion (since the cuts would be squeezed into the rest of the current budget year, they are even deeper on an annualized basis).

  • kbanginmotown

    FTW!

  • kbanginmotown

    “Next step, remove Obama from the White House in 2012.”
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    Der Spiegel nailed it last year after attending the Nashville TP event. The Tea Party ist “Die Anti-Obama Partei”. Nothing more, nothing less:
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    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,676163,00.html
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    P.S. Have the sockpuppets returned, too?

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    Now they’re starting to get what this is about*.

    The real political math in Wisconsin isn’t about the state budget or the collective-bargaining rights of public employees there. It is about which party controls governorships and, with them, the balance of power on the ground in the 2012 elections.[...]
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    The GOP strategic aim is simple enough. If they can abolish union collective-bargaining rights, they can undermine the automatic payment of dues to the public-employee union treasuries. Shrinking those treasuries and reducing the union structure and membership will make it harder for Democrats and their allies to communicate directly with workers.
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    And under the infamous Citizens United Supreme Court decision, unions — like corporations — are free to spend as much as they want directly advocating for a candidate. That makes the math even more urgent as the 2012 election season approaches.

    (*there’s still a deeper layer other than the accumulation of power…it’s ultimately about unwinding the progressive government programs like Social Security and further enabling the transfer of wealth upward.)

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    The austerity argument takes another hit.

    About a month ago, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R) of Alabama urged President Obama to follow the lead set by our friends across the pond: “We need a budget with a bold vision — like [the one] unveiled in Britain.” Last week, Sessions praised British Prime Minister David Cameron’s “leadership” on cutting spending.
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    This isn’t an uncommon sentiment on the right. British officials are pursuing policies similar to those Republicans are demanding in the United States, so GOP praise for Cameron and his austerity agenda is often incorporated into the party’s talking points.
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    And how’s that British model working out?
    Britain’s economy shrank by 0.6% in the final quarter of last year, a sharper fall than previously thought.

    The previous four quarters, by the way, had shown modest growth.
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    Remind me again why Republicans want to follow Britain’s lead?
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    Or for that matter, why the right is so enamored with the German model, which is arguably even worse?

  • freeinpa

    Now here is a man that claims to represent the middle class,”the average man”. Now who is this federal gas tax hit the hardest? Wait for it…..the middle class!
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    And you have admire his command of economics and the job market. He simply multiples a number (possibly pulled out of thin air) by dollars spent and these jobs stay for ever. Apparently the infrastructure projects never end, because it creates 9 million jobs. And these work crews never move from one neighboring job to another.
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    More liberal delusions

    What’s the best way to get Americans back to work?

    Raise taxes, according to AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka. Specifically, he wants to raise the federal gas tax as a means to fund infrastructure spending. “We need a dedicated source of revenue to create infrastructure in this country,” he tells Aaron Task in the accompanying clip.
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    Trumka didn’t say specifically how much he would raise the gas tax, but mentioned he’s shown the President a $256 billion plan to improve infrastructure. If every billion spent on infrastructure creates 35,000 jobs, as he claims, this package would create close to 9 million jobs over the next five years.

  • newfreedomblog

    “That had nothing to do with expanding government…Regulation also has no part in this problem.”

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    Wow, so our school systems are not part of the “government”? Not an entity of government? Our police, fire and rescue services? ALL which are heavily unionized in Pennsylvania? All aspects of our State politicians from Governor to State Representatives, who cower to every whim of the Public Unions? And least of not, the State Employees who are also all unionized as well. They do not have any affect on our government or regulations? Give me a break. The reason for our current pension problems lies in the FACT that the powerful unions have been in collusion with the elected officials of Pennsylvania. And, not just Democrats. Republicans are just as much at fault for not wanting to take on these thugs.
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    The reason that our pension programs for State workers is in default or nearing default is because of the Unions. The same crap was “negotiated” by these same unions and the reason we are now up-side-down in pension funds across this Nation in every State.
    .
    Sure they may have taken the money out to fund budget shortfalls, but they did leave IOU’s in return. Now it’s time to pay the piper. The tax payers are screwed yet again.
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    Try again, Ms IvyB.
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    By the way, where was the money spent?

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    “The fact that he would rather dictate his own terms shows he doesn’t know how to run a state.”

    Ironically, some economists believe that income inequality contributed to the financial collapse that’s causing Governor Walker to claim his state can no longer afford public employee unions. Since middle class incomes were stagnant, the only way the average American could spend was through borrowing. People used their houses as ATMs, and became overextended financially. As the super-wealthy began looking to stash their swelling incomes in more lucrative investments, financiers created mortgage-backed securities and collateral debt obligations. The whole system fell apart, and now Governor Walker is exploiting the crisis to reduce government spending and take away benefits from public workers, which will further erode the middle class.
    .
    The phrase “class warfare” means you can’t complain if the rich get everything. As Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis once said, “We can either have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of the few, but we can’t have both.”
    .
    Governor Walker’s misguided proposal to balance his state’s budget is pitting middle-class workers against the government, against public sector workers, and even against each other. If Governor Walker and his Tea Party allies have their way, they’ll destroy America’s social safety net. We’re seeing in Wisconsin how this has the potential to tear the country apart.

  • lreed580

    Republicans finally have a job plan….according to an independent analysis by Moody Analyitics, a Republican plan to sharply cut federal spending this year would destroy 700,000 jobs through 2012. (citation at Washington Post.)

  • nflfoghorn

    He represents the TP people, for sure. BTW Welcome back, RustFreep. Now go away.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    GOPers eating their own, Orrin Hatch edition.

    The Tea Party line is that taxes must not rise for any reason, no matter how low they are. This suggests that not only must all the Bush tax cuts be extended forever, but additional tax cuts need to be enacted to keep the tax burden where it is at 14.4 percent of GDP. Any Republican failing to support further tax cuts will, no doubt, be found guilty of violating the taxpayer pledge that is rigidly enforced by Republican tax guru Grover Norquist.
    .
    Whether Hatch’s pandering to the Tea Party will allow him to keep the Republican nomination next year and stay in the Senate remains to be seen. But it’s clear that he is not going down without doing everything in his power to become the Tea Party’s favorite senator. Unfortunately, this probably means that it’s going to be impossible to get either tax reform or serious deficit reduction through the Senate any time soon because the Finance Committee is where most of the action will take place, and its chairman, Democrat Max Baucus of Montana, always bends over backward to try and get bipartisan support for whatever the committee does.

  • freeinpa

    Seems yet another weak argument to save sacred Democratic cows. The phony “it doesn’t address entitlements” is a ruse. The left doesn’t wan tot address the entitlements, othr than to expand them. The want a campaign club to beat Republicans.
    .
    “There is not a lot to cut prudently” – This is the biggest joke and a repeated lie from the left. The belief that every penny is well spent is at best a foolish notion. Even Obama wanted to get half a billion in waste fraud and abuse out of Medicare. Or maybe this was another ruse of the left.
    .
    If cutting $60 billion out of the budget cuts growth by 1-2%, and using the same logic how do they explain spending 900 billion didn’t push up growth by over 20% or even 10%. I also seem to remember Goldman calling for solid growth in 2008.

    It seems they belong to the group of forecast early and often without much in the way of accuracy.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Taft Hartley regulates labor unions, and defines the role of the NLRB. In doing so, the act prohibits pretty much any strike or protest action by pretty much any group in support of a strike by a particular union:”

    .
    First, you need to further clarify what you mean by the above statement. Prohibits what? Unauthorized and spontaneous strikes like we are seeing in Wisconsin?
    .
    Continuing on with “T-H”, no this law should not be repealed. As most early Democrats and Republicans were against Public Unions or the organization of public sector employees, T-H does not adequately address these types of Unions. T-H was implemented to restrict private sector labor unions, and that was the focus of T-H, was it not? To my knowledge, public sector labor unions did not exist at the time T-H was enacted into law. Right?
    .
    In my opinion, freedom of speech was given to us by the constitution, but it does not give the lee-way for Unions to organize their members to use Union tactics of shutting down the government to protest and use their 1st Amendment right of freedom of speech. If they want to go as individuals to protest, so be it. But if they vacate their jobs in the process to exercise that freedom of speech, they also risk losing their job at the same time. Gov Walker should issue a return to work order, and if they continue to vacate their jobs without permission, then he should do as Reagan did and fire them.

  • freeinpa

    “Shrinking those treasuries and reducing the union structure and membership will make it harder for Democrats and their allies to communicate directly with workers.”
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    This is French for the Democrats being a wholly-owned subsidiary of the unions. To communicate directly – what a hoot!

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    “The military/media attacks on the Hastings article”

    In other words, he actually sees his role as being adversarial to those in power, to disclose rather than conceal the truth, and to check the conduct of government officials — the exact opposite of how most of his colleagues perceive themselves and their role. While Hastings seeks to expose the secret wrongdoing of the powerful, journalists like John Burns, Norah O’Donnell, and Julian Barnes seek to protect it, and thus scorn Hastings and offer themselves up as instruments for powerful officials to anonymously disseminate claims without scrutiny. Hastings and especially Lt. Col. Holmes courageously put their names on their statements; but the powerful military officials who apparently broke the law are able to smear them without any need to identify themselves, thanks to their reporter-servants who serve as government spokespeople masquerading as journalists.

  • freeinpa

    Yeah ranks up their with “Inconvenient Truth”.

    .
    In fact didn’t a British Court find 35 Inconvenient truths in Algore’s “documentary”

  • robbert5

    That seems to be the way to get the ratings up…It is very disheartening to see that competency does not seem to matter anymore.

  • freeinpa

    So the vast majority of the people in WI are TP’ers? Wow who would have thought?
    .
    Go away? Why would I? So the left can pi$$ and whine here spreading the crap and lies you do without any pushback. That’s th eleft’s version of democracy, doin gwhat they want without comment. Otherwise their plan is “cut and run”

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    And for dessert:

    Government cheese.

    (pic at link, h/t John Cole)

  • newfreedomblog

    Yes, yes, yes… Der Spiegel, such a great progressive newspaper. Hitler would be so proud that his legacy lives on.
    .
    What was your point again?
    .
    I see Mori-the-Moron is still in the swamp. Gee, how sweet.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    I’m Back!!!
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    Yes, we know. It’s like this blog has a case of herpes.

  • newfreedomblog

    Perhaps the austerity measures have not been in affect long enough yet. Give it some time before passing judgement.
    .
    The Reagan tax cuts and trickle down didn’t start to explode the economy until several years later. Take a chill pill and relax, in due time things will become much much better for Britain. I wish I could say the same for us in the US. Predictions are very dire at this time for us.

  • afguy

    OK, grape, who gets to “cut” the cheese?

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    Brilliant. In case anyone doesn’t get the Christie/Creosote reference:
    .

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    Oh, probably not safe for work. Particularly lunchtime.

  • freeinpa

    So when the question as to why our manufacturing base has fallen, we can look at someone actually involved in manufacturing instead of a politician searching for votes

    The CEO of 3M commented that the US a difficult place to do business because of regulation, taxation, seemingly anti-business policies in Washington. He also commented negatively on the immigration policy and the difficulty on obtaining visas for PhD. research people. Seems that maybe more time should be spent trying to get the talent here legally as opposed to suing states for trying to stop illegal ones.

  • freeinpa

    Obama is now asking for a bi-partisan group of governors to offer a program ideas to help battle health care costs.
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    Just what we need another committee he can ignore.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    Then I’m sure that funny smell coming from your tap water is nothing to worry about, freeinPA.
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    Drink up!

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    It’s good to see serious people not take themselves so seriously once in a while.

  • freeinpa

    “That had nothing to do with expanding government. The size of the general assembly has not increased in many, many years. Regulation also has no part in this problem”
    .
    Really? There are no mandates either from the the federal government or state governments in our local education systems? No law in say the state of WI tat makes mandatory the requirement to teach about unions and collective bargaining?
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    You display a complete lack of comprehension of what is going on in our education system and why it is failing

  • np042

    [Citation Needed]

  • Ivy_B

    My last comment on this.
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    The articles I quoted dealt with how the budget deficit in the area of public pensions for all government workers in PA and NJ began. This is something that is not usually mentioned.
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    As usual you didn’t read what was posted and comment on that, instead choosing to toss in a comment that you have made many times before.

  • freeinpa

    “whether T-H should be abolished. The communist threat thing has dissipated, if it ever existed”
    .
    This is a canard spread by the left. There were documented evidence of unions collaborating with Communist then as today. Trumka has met with the US Communist Party on more than one occasions. What is interesting is that the unions claim on one hand that collective bargaining is democracy nd yet most of their principles (if you can call them that) lines up more closely with groups that want to destroy democracy.
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    There are probably enough regulations governing labor laws and I would not oppose its repeal. But in the spirit of citizen freedom I wonder whether you would support all 50 states operating as “employment at will” ?

    Shortly after coming to power, Trumka, Sweeney and Chavez-Thompson rescinded a founding AFL-CIO rule that banned Communist Party members and loyalists from leadership positions within the Federation and its unions.

  • freeinpa

    Everybody has to die of something. It could be worse I could be taxed to death!

  • freeinpa

    Where is the cry and hue over the NFL Players Association proposal to dissolve their union (What about collective bargaining rights?)
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    Oh yeah its supported by the AFL-CIO so that these millionaires can individually sue the owners for MORE MONEY!
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    UNION Rule #1- It’s always about the money
    Union Rule #2- See Rule #1
    Union Rule #3 – There are no other rules!

    While unions in states like Wisconsin and Indiana protest in defense of collective bargaining rights, the AFL-CIO is actively championing NFL players to dissolve their union and drop their AFL-CIO membership to better position themselves in a contract fight with the league’s owners. The players’ union is expected to disband its labor union so its athletes, may of them millionaires, can lock down a bigger payday.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/28/afl-cio-supports-dismantling-of-nfl-players-union-at-least-temporarily/#ixzz1FJmckRt

  • Ivy_B

    Karen Tumulty Tweeted –

    Congratulations to @michaelscherer and @yarilorenzo on the arrival of baby Oren!

  • freeinpa

    Funny how you go from “nothing to do with expanding government and regulations” to you didn’t read what I posted.
    .
    I read read it, I’m just trying to help you comprehend what you wrote. As usual you don’t understand the impact of government anywhere.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “I see Mori-the-Moron is still in the swamp. Gee, how sweet.”
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    Don’t worry, ‘my little friend’. Only a few more hours ’til its happy hour. You’re far more amusing when you’re drunk.

  • freeinpa

    sharply cut spending? How is 1 1/2% of a $3.5 trillion dollar budget sharply cutting?
    .
    The good news that is less than the “independent” analysis by Goldman Sachs who put the job loss number at over 2 million jobs. Following that trend line, a couple more independent analysis like this and we will have job growth of several million jobs and 2-3% in GDP

  • freeinpa

    ft.com

    They restrict copying their columns

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    The Reagan tax cuts and trickle down didn’t start to explode the economy until several years later.
    .
    After Clinton had raised taxes to pay off Reagan’s deficits and we had a big tech boom, you mean. Unemployment in 2000 was 4%, and there was a surplus in the budget.
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    Truth is that lower-than-low taxes and deregulation aren’t the magic bullets that will help us recover from this recession.

  • doddeb

    Grape_crush: thanks for the “debunking/debunked” portion of your post. My community is right at the edge of the Marcellus shale deposit, and gas companies have just started deep well fracking in my state. We’re having a community meeting on this in April and this info will come in handy. One of the state’s leading natural gas industry lobbyists will be in attendance, among others, so I need all the info I can get.
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    I was disappointed that Gasland did not win Best Documentary at the Oscars last night…I was rooting for it (or Restrepo, which was also an excellent documentary).

  • shepherdwong

    Yeah, someone should tell Jabba the Nut to push away from the dining table.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    I was disappointed that Gasland did not win Best Documentary at the Oscars last night…
    .
    I’m happy it got a nomination, and have no issue with the award going to Inside Job…haven’t seen Restrepo, but have heard good things about it as well.

  • rm11

    You have to wonder if the CEO of 3M is sincerely trying to critique the administration, or is just serving notice that 3M is about to shift more jobs overseas — where the serious money is to be made — and is looking for cover to deflect criticism from itself.

  • paulejb

    Michael Maiello@1.1,

    It is certainly true. Public sector unions own whole state legislatures such as in California and New York. And as I stated, the 14 Wisconsin State Senators are merely puppets on a string controlled by their union masters.
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    Every American, including businessmen have the right to petition the government, but public sector unions are in the position to dictate to the government. In that, they are sewing the seeds of destruction of our representative form of government.

  • paulejb

    ABC NEWS.
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    Christiane Amanpour in Tripoli: Gadhafi doles out cash to the people.
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    Sorry Moammar, this didn’t work for Obama in 2009 and it is unlikely to save your neck either.

  • freeinpa

    “CEO of 3M is sincerely trying to critique the administration, or is just serving notice that 3M is about to shift more jobs overseas — where the serious money is to be made”
    .
    I would suggest both. He has a fiduciary obligation to his shareholders and not to Obama

  • freeinpa

    Any reports that Christiane Amanpour got cash? We have known what the MSM press is all that’s left is negotiate price!

  • pelhamite1

    Yeah, I am sure that the Chairman of Minnesota Mining & Milling (3M’s real name) would love it if we had no environmental regulations whatsoever (as they do not n, say, China), taxed them not at all, and didn’t insist that they pay a living wage. Bring back the ’80s! By which I mean, of course, the 1880s.

    now if we can only repeal that pesky Child Labor Law . . .

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    This is exactly the same that has happened to the social security administration. When social security was first formed, payroll taxes were to be kept seperate from all other federal dollars and used only to pay social security claims. That method didn’t last long, however and now most of what the social security administration has is in the form of T-bills. These T-bills esstentially cause the federal government to make interest payments to itself. Virtually every president since LBJ has raided the social security funds, some more than others. And only Clinton actually paid back what he “borrowed” while still in office.

  • paulejb

    grape_crush@25,
    .
    It was all very commendable of LTC Holmes to balk at an order to use psy-ops on visiting Senators, but the problem is that LTC Holmes was not in psy-ops and he was never trained in psy-ops which is a very specialized military discipline.
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    It looks like the only victim of psy-ops was Rolling Stone reporter Hastings.

  • paulejb

    freeinpa@32,
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    With what ABC pays Amanpour, I imagine she could buy Libya with her spare change.

  • paulejb

    grape_crush@11.2,
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    Just another example of the liberal understanding and tolerance. When you get through with the fat jokes will you be moving on to ridiculing Special Olympics entrants?

  • paulejb

    grape_crush@14,
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    Tough to negotiate with someone in hiding in another state at the behest of his union bosses. It’s like trying to deal with hostages suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    …will you be moving on to ridiculing Special Olympics entrants?
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    I’d ridicule you, paulejb, no matter what contest you chose to enter.

  • paulejb

    gumOnShoe@9,
    .
    Au contraire. With oil at over $100 a barrel, new sources of oil production will be available everywhere. Even old wells which had lost their value would become profitable again.
    .
    If Obama and the environmental wackos would stop holding domestic oil production hostage to their superstitious beliefs than America’s entrepreneurs would be finding abundant sources of oil.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    …but the problem is that LTC Holmes was not in psy-ops and he was never trained in psy-ops which is a very specialized military discipline.
    .
    Without anything backing that statement up, your opinion is useless.
    .
    And yes, I’ll take Rolling Stone over you any day of the week.
    .
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/another-runaway-general-army-deploys-psy-ops-on-u-s-senators-20110223

  • paulejb

    grape_crush@11.5,
    .
    You can try, grape_crush. You can try, but better men than you have tried and failed. I will not be spending any time worrying about your attempts at ridicule. But good luck with that anyway.

  • paulejb

    grape_crush@25.2,
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    I’ll see your Rolling Stone and raise you;
    .
    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/02/28/rolling-stones-shot-at general-caldwell-misfires/

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    You can try, grape_crush.
    .
    Try? I just did.
    .
    You’re funny.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Der Spiegel, such a great progressive newspaper. Hitler would be so proud that his legacy lives on.”
    .
    Hitler used liberals as kindling to warm up the ovens for the Jews. Liberal gentiles, however, could get away with saying that they converted to Nazi to avoid death, which is the only reason that there were hidden liberals who came out of hiding after the war, but, you knew that but decided to be an intentional pain in the ass, didn’t you?

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    I’ll call with a New York Times:
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/26/AR2011022603776.html
    .
    But we’re not going to agree, so whatever.
    .
    You put up a nice distraction from the subject of the link I posted, which was not about the Hastings article but how the Hastings article was being treated by the press.
    .
    Why is it that, when confronted with something like that, y’all either lash out or avoid the subject?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Dr Paulie Strangelove,
    .
    Please leave the lab and report to base security immediately.

  • paulejb

    grape_crush@25.4,
    .
    It looks like Rolling Stone and the intrepid reporter Hastings were victims of a psy-ops operation. I suspect that they will come out of this with egg on their faces.
    .
    “Lash out?” You consider my rebuttal to your comment lashing out? Believe me, there will be no doubt in anyones mind if I do actually decide to lash out.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “If Obama and the environmental wackos would stop holding domestic oil production hostage to their superstitious beliefs than America’s entrepreneurs would be finding abundant sources of oil.”
    .
    Obviously neither one of you Koch industry paid trolls gentleman have heard of Peak Oil.
    .

    Peak oil is the point in time when the maximum rate of global petroleum extraction is reached, after which the rate of production enters terminal decline.[1] This concept is based on the observed production rates of individual oil wells, and the combined production rate of a field of related oil wells. The aggregate production rate from an oil field over time usually grows exponentially until the rate peaks and then declines—sometimes rapidly—until the field is depleted. This concept is derived from the Hubbert curve, and has been shown to be applicable to the sum of a nation’s domestic production rate, and is similarly applied to the global rate of petroleum production. Peak oil is often confused with oil depletion; peak oil is the point of maximum production while depletion refers to a period of falling reserves and supply.

    M. King Hubbert created and first used the models behind peak oil in 1956 to accurately predict that United States oil production would peak between 1965 and 1970.[2] His logistic model, now called Hubbert peak theory, and its variants have described with reasonable accuracy the peak and decline of production from oil wells, fields, regions, and countries,[3] and has also proved useful in other limited-resource production-domains. According to the Hubbert model, the production rate of a limited resource will follow a roughly symmetrical logistic distribution curve (sometimes incorrectly compared to a bell-shaped curve) based on the limits of exploitability and market pressures.

    Some observers, such as petroleum industry experts Kenneth S. Deffeyes and Matthew Simmons, believe the high dependence of most modern industrial transport, agricultural, and industrial systems on the relative low cost and high availability of oil will cause the post-peak production decline and possible severe increases in the price of oil to have negative implications for the global economy. Predictions vary greatly as to what exactly these negative effects would be. If political and economic changes only occur in reaction to high prices and shortages rather than in reaction to the threat of a peak, then the degree of economic damage to importing countries will largely depend on how rapidly oil imports decline post-peak.

    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
    .
    So, presuming that 20,000 PhD climatologists with 97% in agreement about climate change have been in a 44 year old secret plot to make Al Gore a movie star and that oppressive regimes funding Islamic terrorists would have just as much money selling sand and rocks for American sandcastles as they do with oil the fact that there will not be enough oil to fund our worldwide lifestyles without alternative energy is a huge reason to invest in it
    .
    But, paid trolls people who who watch Fox and listen to AM radio will never concede this point.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Freak,
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    Your quote came from infamous liar Michelle Malkin in the infamous Washington examiner.
    .
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/node/461151
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    Why don’t you start taking quotes from Lord Haw Haw?
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Haw-Haw
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    “If they want to go as individuals to protest, so be it. But if they vacate their jobs in the process to exercise that freedom of speech, they also risk losing their job at the same time.”
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    So, Rusty believes in free speech and lawful assembly so long as people do not assemble to do something Rusty does not like or say something Rusty does not like.
    .
    The First Amendment is all about the rights of the minority and/or any other citizen not serving in office to be able to say and assemble to say and/or do lawful things which the majority and/or those in office may absolutely hate.
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    Cut out the part about unpopular speech and unpopular but lawful assembly and the first amendment is useless.
    .
    This is a classic example of how the far right hates democracy .

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    It looks like…I suspect…
    .
    Point is, you don’t know. What you have is the suspect opinion of a right-of-center columnist/blogger and a few vague statements of your own that have nothing to do with the original comment I made.
    .
    But you’re bright enough to know that already, aren’t you?
    .
    You consider my rebuttal to your comment lashing out?
    .
    Re-read my comment. Or have someone else, like a sixth grader, read it for you.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I guess spending for all of the improvement to a standard of living is ok as long as you don’t live long enough to deal with its downside.”
    .
    Obviously you missed the part of the article where it said that Japanese lifespans were getting longer
    .
    Also, you missed the point that, apparently, the growth Japan has experienced the past twenty years is far better distributed across the population much as the post WWII growth was in the United States and unlike our growth over the past 30 years.
    .
    But understanding complex points are not either your strong point nor your desire.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Management Rule #1- It’s always about the money
    Management Rule #2- See Rule #1
    Management Rule #3 – There are no other rules!
    .
    Fixed it for you.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Go away? Why would I? So I can‘t pi$$ and whine here spreading my crap and lies you pushback against. That’s the left’s version of democracy,only dealing with facts and not pulling things out of your ass the way that paid trolls the right does. Otherwise Reagan’s plan was “cut and run”.
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    Fixed it for you.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “If cutting $60 billion out of the budget cuts growth by 1-2%, and using the same logic how do they explain spending 900 billion didn’t push up growth by over 20% or even 10%”
    .
    Because state and local spending was cut by more than $787 billion – not $900 billion at that very same time causing a net change of $0,
    .

    With tax revenue still declining as a result of the recession and budget reserves largely drained, the vast majority of states have made spending cuts that hurt families and reduce necessary services. These cuts, in turn, have deepened states’ economic problems because families and businesses have less to spend. Federal recovery act dollars and funds raised from tax increases have greatly reduced the extent, severity, and economic impact of these cuts, but only to a point. And federal aid to states is slated to expire well before state revenues have recovered.

    The cuts enacted in at least 46 states plus the District of Columbia since 2008 have occurred in all major areas of state services, including health care (31 states), services to the elderly and disabled (29 states and the District of Columbia), K-12 education (34 states and the District of Columbia), higher education (43 states), and other areas. States made these cuts because revenues from income taxes, sales taxes, and other revenue sources used to pay for these services declined due to the recession. At the same time, the need for these services did not decline and, in fact, rose as the number of families facing economic difficulties increased.

    These budget pressures have not abated. Because unemployment rates remain high — and are projected to stay high well into next year — revenues are likely to remain at or near their current depressed levels. This has caused a new round of cuts. Based on gloomy revenue projections, legislatures and governors have enacted budgets for the 2011 fiscal year (which began on July 1, 2010 in most states). In many states these budgets contain cuts that go even further than those enacted over the past two fiscal years.

    .
    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1214
    .
    It is not magic.
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    Usually households and businesses do almost all of the spending needed to keep employment high.
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    When they both are locked into a recession, governments are the only ones who still can spend.
    .
    But, if for every dollar the federal government puts into the economy state and local governments cut in spending, then the net effect is $0.
    .
    So federal spending will have to cover all of the lost expenditure of the cuts in local and state governments and compensate for lost spending by households and businesses for a recovery to work but, 80 years of economics is too scientific for you. So, you just deny it like you deny climate change.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “This is French for the Democrats being a wholly-owned subsidiary of the unions.”
    .
    No, it is German for Hitler dissolved the labor unions and put major corporations like IG Farben in charge and found many new uses for IG Farben product Zyklon-B.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Freak’s article is from the thoughtless American.
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    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/02/raising_taxes_will_create_jobs.html
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    It is infamous for distorting things over to the far right.
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    But, then again, when taxes were at 90% the economy was booming between 1945 and 1962, so, if spent appropriately, this may be history’s best lesson.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    ” Moammar, this worked for Bush in 2002 like a charm and it is likely to save your neck among large businesses”
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    If Gadhafi only can cut some taxes for the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch, he will have a movement ready to bring him back to power hours after he is deposed.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    If she only shifted to the right, she could earn far, far more.
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    Rush Limbaugh
    ⇒ Annual salary*: $ 28,000,000
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    http://www.salary-money.com/rush-limbaugh-salary-28000000.php
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  • newfreedomblog

    Poor patty sartor. Can’t accept factual information despite it being a bi-partisan FACT. Government employees or “workers” as you may, hold way to much power over our government by being unionized. Their voice can be heard individually just like mine is through the First Amendment. Why should their voice hold more power than mine as a lone tax payer?
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    Unions for public sector employees should be abolished as the Taft Hartley law says they should. Once you get union employees like we are witnessing in Wisconsin out on a non-sanctioned strike, they should be fired on the spot.
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    So where is royds? I took my time to grant him a comment, then nothing. Pffft

  • newfreedomblog

    “This is a classic example of how the far right hates democracy.”

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    Sorry bubba, the only example is your comment of FOI. That stands for Flight of Ideas. If you don’t know what it means, ask your psych relatives or look it up.
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    But so far as additional comments to Jay’s original comment and request.
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    This statement:
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    “The communist threat thing has dissipated, if it ever existed.”

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    As freeinpa so eloquently pointed out there IS documented proof of the existence of communists who infiltrated the early Unions. The unfortunately thing is, they were never all thrown out, and communists continue within the Unions to this very day.

  • paulejb

    grape_crush@25.6.
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    Can we ever really know anything? In this case my guess is as good as yours and probably better because I do not rely on Rolling Stone as a news source.
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    Just when did I ever lash out at anyone here? I am a model of deportment. I rely solely on my experience tempered by my wit.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Can’t accept factual information despite it being a bi-partisan FACT. Government employees or “workers” as you may, hold way to much power over our government by being unionized.”
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    bi-partisan FACT?
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    Facts can not be partisan or bipartisan.
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    Which is gravity, liberal fact, conservative fact or bipartisan fact?
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    Only opinions can be partisan or bi-partisan.
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    Employees and workers are synonymous in the English language.
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    # a nearly continuous flow of rapid speech that jumps from topic to topic, usually based on discernible associations, distractions, or plays on words, but in severe cases so rapid as to be disorganized and incoherent. It is most commonly seen in manic episodes but may also occur in other mental disorders such as in manic phases of schizophrenia. Merck Source

    # A nearly continuous flow or accelerated speech with abrupt changes from topic to topic, usually based on understandable associations, distracting stimuli, or plays on words. University of Michigan Medical Center.

    # A continuous change of subject and thought content with little apparent connection among the topics and little external stimulation for the change. This may be one manifestation of attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).

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    You have an outstanding term for RDW56′s remarks which often bring in Israel, Ronald Reagan and Woodrow Wilson into almost any topic.
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    Your own grasp of the English language is very weak, so, don’t start going into using technical terms. You might hurt yourself. Leave the big words for the adults.

  • paulejb

    patricksartor@32.2,
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    Just imagine what she could do if she had any talent.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Paulie,
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    Some sources of news are better than others.
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    Rolling Stone has a very high accuracy rate.
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    The Washington Examiner, the American Thinker among others often used by the right have very low levels of accuracy.
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    Some of sources wish to report the news, while much of the right wishes to invent the news.

  • paulejb

    patricksartor@31.1,
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    Not the same at all, Pat. Bush believed that all taxpayers should be able to keep more of their own money. Thus the Bush tax cuts.
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    Obama, on the other hand, scooped up $862 billion, on the cuff, to hand out to his favorites. A sort of super version of “walking around money.”

  • paulejb

    patricksartor@33.1,
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    And am I to take your word for this, Pat? What is your source for these accuracy ratings? The Huff Post? The DNC?

  • wagedronenumber9

    grape_crush @ 13

    Hi grape_crush, I can vouch for all the things about Japan that article praised. Most cars have navi systems, cell phones are now on their way out, it’s iphones and iphones knock offs that everyone is starting to get now. The hi-def TVs come equipped with DVDs which you simply record by clicking on the TV schedule listing that is sent into it. A very strong yen makes overseas traveling very cheap, and I’ve been told that the national health insurance system is best in the world. The cars seem newer because they are, once your car goes over a certain amount of kilometers, it is required by law that you have to change parts when you take it in for inspection. You are also starting to see a lot of hybrid cars now.

    patricksartor at 13.2

    Patrick, now matter how much you batter right wingers with facts you won’t get very far with them until you start attacking their philosophy. They are all in love with the social economist Ludwig van Mises who theories (i.e. free market always wins) apparently haven’ t been proven wrong . Go take a look at his wiki entry and look at the criticism part of it and you’ll see that professionally there are none.

    I think the health care issue is one where his theories might be proven wrong, but I don’t have the time right now to post anything. If you are looking for a good glimpse into the philosophical mind of these guys you might want to check this out:

    Liberalism

  • wagedronenumber9
  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Obama, on the other hand used tax revenues, to hand out to those most statistically likely to spend it so that it would stimulate the economy just as FDR, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon and Ford did while Bush removed funds needed for the functioning of government and redistributed it to the people least likely to spend it only gaining new votes and campaign contributions.
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    So Gaddafi has to make sure that the people he hands money to will use it for a counterinsurgency, like a Libyan Tea Party.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Strongest news sources:
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    NY Times
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    NPR
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    Wall Street Journal.
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    Time
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    Newsweek
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    The New Yorker.
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    US News and World Report.
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    CBS (especially 60 minutes), NBC, ABC and CNN.
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    The longer, more detailed and the more filled with counter arguments an article is, the more accurate it is as a general rule.
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    When it is quick and gets one statement from one side, it is usually a propaganda factory.
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    Some propaganda contains more accuracy than others but, the list I have above are places which bend over backwards to interview everybody involved.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Waged,
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    My double major was in economics at two different schools, Boston University and Harvard Extension.
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    I can tell you two things already:
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    First Mises is never even a foot note in Macroeconomics classes as a good example of the nearly extinct Neoclassical school of Economics.
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    Second the 1930s is to Macroeconomics what the 1850s were to evolution. Mises wrote his book in 1927. Keynes is to Macroeconomics what Darwin was to biology. Milton Friedman is to Macroeconomics what Gregor Mendel was to biology (but in the opposite order with Mendel ignored for decades).
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    Friedman corrected some major errors in the monetary policy Keynes had. However, being egotistical, Friedman believed that only monetary policy mattered. For most economists, Keynesian Economics and Friedman’s theories merged to become New Keynesian.
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    So, like Mendel once thought to contradict Darwin, it turned out that the two were complimentary.
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    Like Darwin, facts Keynes discovered enraged conservatives.
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    Thanks for the link. I will read a few more pages, but, it is archaic stuff that only the most partisan right winger would consider dusting off to attempt to prove a point.

  • artraveler

    I heard a discussion this morning that Social Security checks would still go out but if there is a shutdown, the local SS offices will be closed. I think they need to save the electrical power and shut down the computers also so maybe some of the TP will realize that there is a purpose for government. Do the same for Medicare and wipe out Medicare Advantage immediately as the companies are getting a 17% bonus over regular Medicare and thus costing the system more than it should. Also shutdown FAA and air traffic control as well as Amtrak. If the Congress critters want to go home, they can rent a car at Rent-A-Wreck and drive themselves. Maybe they can learn to be civil.

    The Dermocrats need to insist that the tax subsidities for the oil and gas industry be ended immediately and that the upper tax rate go to 50%. Also, no government contract from any agency for any company that doesn’t pay US income taxes.

    A tariff for incoming shipments from China should reflect the undervaluing of the Yuan. I think the current percentage would be 17%. That should help China with their environmental problems they mentioned today as well as getting American businesses to support the country that allows them to be a part. If they don’t like it, try northern Africa.

  • paulejb

    patricksartor@23.3,
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    Strongest news sources:
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    NY Times
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    That’s as far as I got before I was overcome by laughter.
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    The New York Times is about a as reliable as a news source as the old Soviet era Pravda.

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,,
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    Here is a link t a video of Milton Friedman that I think every swampland commenter should read. It’s very enlightening.
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