Annals of Fleeing State Legislatures, Autodefenestration Edition

Must be a slow day…
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ThinkProgress covered this five days ago.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/20/lincoln-fled-state-wisconsin/

When they did this story on Morning Edition, they ended with – also in 1840, the legislature considered a motion to add one floor to the state capitol building, making it harder for legislators to jump out of the window.

They noted that the famously tall Lincoln didn’t have that far to go to the ground.

Adam, I expect “left-overs” like this from my local “fish wrap” of a newspaper…
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You’re supposed to be better.

It’s not necessarily about speed, but direction. I would hope TIME will let some TPers know that leaving the building’s been done on a few occasions over the years.

Slightly OT, but why aren’t Paul Broun and the guy who asked “the question” both in jail?
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/25/congressman-asked-who-is-going-to-shoot-obama/#more-148137

Because language like that is now accepted as “the norm”?

Greg Sargent quoted Secret Service as having investigated and the case closed. “An elderly man who realized he made a bad joke.”
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Well, nothing to see here. Just another individual.

I do think Broun’s response should get a little light. I’m willing to ignore the “elderly man” but he’s a congressman who should know better.

Their killers are always right?
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afguy has it nailed. He shot it right through the heart…

Sorry, I used the word ‘shot’.
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Waiting now, with keyboard between my knees, head down, for the GOP faux ragers to come for me…

It concerns me that people who should know better [emphasis on 'should'] — congressmen, talk show hosts, etc. — are enablers of people who say threatening things, or at very least look the other way when it happens. Then they justify it by saying “well the left threatened W all the time.”
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RustFreep got on my case recently when I made fun of people of his ilk wanting to say threatening things under their collective breath when Bill Clinton was a target.

Let’s give credit where credit is due:

53_3, I am nearly positive it was you who brought up the other times state legislatures walked out to prevent a quorum.

Stuart came by and introduced a speech by Lincoln about organized labor.

My, personal, belief is that between 1865 and 1965 for all issues Democrats and Republicans changed places.

Democrats most accurately are the party of Abe Lincoln and Republicans are the party of Thomas Jefferson for the past 50 to 90 years.

Democrats leaving the state to prevent their state legislators from doing the work they were elected to do is a mockery of our Democracy.
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If this had been done by Republicans, TIME and all the Liberals and Democrats would be screaming with indignation.
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This action is an affront to our Democracy and the fact that most Liberals and Democrats have no problem with it shows that they really don’t believe in our Democracy. When government officials are elected by the people, they do not have the right to prevent the legislature from doing the work of the people. We are all entitled to our own political views, but we are not entitled to prevent our elected government from functioning. We should all operate under the laws and rules of our government.
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In the future when Democrats are the majority party, if Republicans follow the actions of the Democrats and boycott the legislature, it could destroy our Democracy.
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Actions and elections have consequences.

“If this had been done by Republicans…”
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3xfire3 were you even pay attention during to the U. S. Senate in 2009 and 2010?

3xfire3 were you even pay attention during to the U. S. Senate in 2009 and 2010?
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Uh, no. Another episode of SATSQ.

Yeah, I guess a filibuster is just dandy if it is done by Republicans.
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Actually, it was a Republican I was speaking with once who brought up how he didn’t want to see teh filibuster removed even though he knew that during the next Republican majority it would be a thorn in the side of Republicans.
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But 3X would never hold Republicans to the same standards that he holds Democrats.

propman, Patrick, afguy,
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“We are all entitled to our own political views, but we are not entitled to prevent our elected government from functioning. We should all operate under the “laws and rules” of our government.
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In the future when Democrats are the majority party, if Republicans follow the actions of the Democrats and boycott the legislature, it could destroy our Democracy.
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Actions and elections have consequences.”
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To all of you brain dead Liberals. Read the above comments from my earlier post. A filibuster is a legal action used by both parties. For you to equate this with the action of all members of one party leaving the state and hiding out to prevent the legislature from operating, shows how brain dead you really are.

Well, 3x, then what do you call a vote held (and closed) while most of the opposition is still out in the hallway outside the Chamber?
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“Democracy at its finest?”

And I’d go easy on the “brain dead” comments.
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At least we’re using ours for something other than to keep our ears from rubbing together.
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You really need to reconcile your comments above to the GOP practices for the past two years, if you’re truly worried about a functioning democracy.

At least I’m not always an “entitlement jonesing” drive by troll 100% of the time.
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tkx for the ack. Wife is in the hospital again, so have to dive in and out again.
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I’ve always felt that there were things outside of the realm of acceptable political discourse, and have on many occasions worn out my welcome here making that point, but I’m not in the least surprised:
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The people who really do believe that freeinpa, 3xfire3, rusty’s and earljr1 (and others) are within the bounds of acceptable discourse* now have the job of trying to close Pandora’s box…
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*it used to be shame that would keep them in dark cellars and cults. That is the fate I’m encouraging for them, and not anything First Amendment-wise…

They are a lot bigger dog than you thought, huh?
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A warning:
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They will bite, and you Teabaggers are literally toast…

Afguy:
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At the risk of becoming a drive by troll, I would suggest that the vacuum between the ears of any Teabagger is strong enough to slam them together with enough force to possibly touch off a fusion reaction.
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Thus, their skulls are there for a purpose…

See you guys. It’s sunny and beautiful (and cold!) here….

WI constitution requires the quorum be met before the bill can be passed. The U. S. Constitution does not grant the minority any filibuster authority. The U.S. Senate decided that the rule was what they wanted, so they have it. Both sides are following the rules that are in place to try to win what they want. OMG. Democracy is not at risk.

Let’s not forget that they demanded respect from us for W. Likewise goes for them…

…and I don’t think any of us indulged in threatening to assassinate the president.

I have to agee with 3xfire3 on this one. You can’t compare a filibuster with walking out of the legislature and going to hide.

Granted the Republicans have taken abuse of the filibuster to a new level, but the Democrats had the opportunity to change the rules of its use. However, Democrats, realizing that one day (probably after the next election) they will be in the minority, failed to take any remedial steps. I am sure in the future, they would use it.

This is a case of where the Democrats acted like children and decided that if they couldn’t win, they were going to take their ball and go home.

Frankly, as a Liberal, and a general supporter of Democrats, I am embarrassed by the actions of the Wisconsin state caucus. I completely agree with them on the issue at hand, but as Obama said to the Republicans, “Elections have consequences”, some of which, we might not even like.

As for Gov. Scott Walker, he is a megamaniac and a joke. Everyone with half a brain can see this is about busting public unions. Maybe now, Democrats in Wisconsin will wake up and work more vigorously in electing Democrats to the legislature.

“…and I don’t think any of us indulged in threatening to assassinate the president.”
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I just sent him a big bag of pretzels.

“Frankly, as a Liberal, and a general supporter of Democrats, I am embarrassed by the actions of the Wisconsin state caucus.”
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Interesting. And I couldn’t be prouder. They are true heroes for at least temporarily obstructing and thereby exposing the sociopaths real agenda for all to see.

Fhmadvocat
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Answer this question. Why did the WI Constitution’s writers put in the requirement for a quorum? Surely, they knew something similar to this month’s activities could be the result. They could have written it so that if members aren’t present don’t count them, but they didn’t.

propman,

In response to your question of 6.10, most organizations require a quorum to conduct business. You wouldn’t want the legislature to pass laws with only a handful of members present. The thing is, if there were 20 Republicans and 13 Democrats, they would have been able to pass the bill. The numbers are a bit arbitrary.

Shep,

I appreciate their efforts, but if you note, the Democrats in the Assembly did not run away. They fought the good fight, even if they lost. As far as sociopaths, in America, we have term limits, they are called elections. Hopefully, the people of Wisconsin will wake up and see what a megamaniac they have in the statehouse.

Fhmadvocat
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Arbitrary numbers? No, the numbers are entirely objective. If the Rs had 20 members, the rule would be mute. They don’t. Elections do have consequences. The Rs won big, but still one member shy. Maybe they will win more next time, maybe not.

Well, since the runaway senators have been in contact with their constituents who, supposedly, are in agreement with what they are doing, I don’t see that they aren’t doing their jobs.
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Being an elected official, I would imagine, is a lot more than simply sitting in a chamber and casting votes on bills you oppose or agree with. The WI 14 are fighting the good fight–which is another part of their job.

“Hopefully, the people of Wisconsin will wake up and see what a megamaniac they have in the statehouse.”
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fhmadvocat, I admit to being ambivalent about what this particular megalomaniac (unless you meant the World Wrestling Federation tag team of Hulk Hogan & Brutus “The Barber” Beefcake) is able to accomplish. Obviously, it will be tragic to see employee unions crushed by the “conservative” plutocrat traitors who pay him but it has become obvious that far too many Americans will need a serious and painful lesson in who and what these people are to shake them out of their ignorance and complacency and they won’t get it from our wholly corrupted political press. So the Senate Dems did the right thing; the only thing they could have done to “fight the good fight.” Now we’ll have to see how far our oligarchs get in destroying American society and what the American people decide to do about it.

shepherdwong@6.9,
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Odd that you would be “proud” of politicians who flee the arena and go into hiding. Is cutting and running a genetic trait of liberals?

Sorry Patrick, not even a nice try. Republicans are the party of Lincoln. You are most accurately, given Obama’s and hillary’s affinity for progressivism, the party of Wilson. Lincoln was as anti-elitists as it gets. You could hardly be more elitist .

afguy@3.1,
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It is indeed.
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Http://blog.eyeblast.org/2011/02/liberals-wish-death-on-gov-scott-walker-on-twitter/

Walker is a nutcase. Now he wants to pass a law requiring a vote of 2/3s of each house of the legislature to raise taxes. Has this guy not studied California? California is a basketcase, and Walker wants to tie the hands of any future Wisconsin legislature. Having just read about how as a county executive he costs his county thousands of dollars trying to destroy the local public union, I think it is ironic that this came to light AFTER the election. In addition, didn’t Walker promise during the election he wasn’t going after Collective Bargaining? If I am wrong, please correct me.

The problem is too many in this country have forgotten that if it weren’t for unions, the U.S. would be a Banana Republic. It was unions which helped create the Middle Class. Unfortunately, we take what the unions have made over the generations for granted and believe we don’t need unions anymore.

afguy@3.1,
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Let’s try that again.
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http://blog.eyeblast.tv/2011/02/liberals-wish-death-on-gov-scott-walker-on-twitter/

fhmadvocat@9,
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Wow! A 2/3s vote required to raise taxes. That certainly means the end of the welfare state as we know it. If liberals cannot tax and spend than they have no purpose at all. Kudos to Gov Walker.
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Public sector unions had nothing to do with the creation of a middle class in this country. All they created was a class of over privileged public employees draining the life blood of taxpayers.

Every one’s a fan of Reagan these days. Let’s hope they can’t find some backwater island to invade to show how badass they are.
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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100612151857AAhIXmM

“Public sector unions had nothing to do with the creation of a middle class in this country. All they created was a class of over privileged public employees draining the life blood of taxpayers.”
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Just make sure that when you spew your lying, traitorous nonsense, you spell out that you’re talking about teachers, firefighters, police, sanitation workers, highway repair crews, etc. etc. You’re what’s draining the life blood out of our civic life, you miserable f@ck.

erieangel@5.2,
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Can’t wait for those recall votes. That should really be interesting.
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I also really like the idea of stopping direct deposit for paychecks for the AWOL Dems. To get paid, they would have to show up at work once again.

The problem with Democrat politicians fleeing the state is that they eventually come back.

shepherdwong@9.2,
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Your knee jerk reactions are so predictable that we can set our watches by them.
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Public sector workers are not the problem. It is their unions that are dedicated to draining the public coffers for their own benefit. While radical union activists duck out on their jobs in Wisconsin, many public service employees are showing up to work every day.

“Your knee jerk reactions are so predictable that we can set our watches by them.
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And your slimy, dishonest attempts to weasel out of the clear meaning of your own disgusting, hateful words are so predictable I can set my bowel movements by them:

“Public sector workers are not the problem [they're] a class of over privileged public employees draining the life blood of taxpayers.”

Weren’t you gone for a while earlier?

fhmadvocat, @ 6.8
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Thanks for expressing your rational non-ideological view. That’s very refreshing. We almost never hear that from a Liberal. Sometimes not from Conservatives either. I do not agree with your views but I respect your right to express them and to fight for them.
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I find that too many people on this blog get wrapped up in what are really perceptions/opinions and truly believe them to be facts. Democracy works best when people of different opinions stand for elections and then debate and work for what they believe are best for the country. That doesn’t mean taking your ball and going home.
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Neither Liberals nor Conservatives are bad people. They both just have different opinions as to what is in the best interest of our citizens and country.
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Again, thanks for your honest rational post.

shepherdwong@11,
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It is not surprising that your comments have descended to the level of your bowel movements. It is obvious that you have run out of arguments.

shepherdwong@10.1,
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Indeed. You people are not the only bunch requiring enlightenment. I look in at other sites than this.

shepherdwrong,
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Talk about slimy and dishonest. ShepWrong, you even changed the wording of paulejb’s statement. That’s as slimy and dishonest as a person can get.
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“And your slimy, dishonest attempts to weasel out of the clear meaning of your own disgusting, hateful words are so predictable I can set my bowel movements by them:”

“Public sector workers are not the problem [they're] a class of over privileged public employees draining the life blood of taxpayers.”
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paulejb’s original statement,
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“Public sector unions had nothing to do with the creation of a middle class in this country. All they created was a class of over privileged public employees draining the life blood of taxpayers.”
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paulejb’s statement of clarification.
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Public sector workers are not the problem. It is their unions that are dedicated to draining the public coffers for their own benefit. While radical union activists duck out on their jobs in Wisconsin, many public service employees are showing up to work every day.

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/02/25/annals-of-fleeing-state-legislatures-autodefenestration-edition/#ixzz1F0zG9WID

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ShepWrong you really need to go to an anger management class and you language is that of an eighth grader. Why don’t you try and clean up your act. You should show a little respect for your fellow citizens of our great country. You give liberals a bad name.
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“You people are not the only bunch requiring enlightenment. I look in at other sites than this.”
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And obviously, even there, you found none.

“ShepWrong you really need to go to an anger management class…”
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“You should show a little respect for your fellow citizens of our great country…[w]hile radical union activists duck out on their jobs in Wisconsin…”
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You’re always good for a laugh, 3X. Thanks.

“Scott Walker, go die”

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Unkind, yes, but:
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First not a threat.
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Secondnot said by failed vice presidential candidate. If this was said by, say, Geraldine Ferraro, Joe Lieberman then you might have a half baked point.
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Third Not broadcast on television nor intended for the general audience.
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Fourth This could, easily, be a right wing plant. Twitter is not the same as email or other easily traceable sources.

“Lincoln was as anti-elitists as it gets.”
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Fellow-Citizens of the Senate and House of Representatives:
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In my present position I could scarcely be justified were I to omit raising a warning voice against this approach of returning despotism.
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It is not needed nor fitting here that a general argument should be made in favor of popular institutions, but there is one point, with its connections, not so hackneyed as most others, to which I ask a brief attention. It is the effort to place capital on an equal footing with, if not above, labor in the structure of government. It is assumed that labor is available only in connection with capital; that nobody labors unless somebody else, owning capital, somehow by the use of it induces him to labor.
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Now there is no such relation between capital and labor as assumed, nor is there any such thing as a free man being fixed for life in the condition of a hired laborer. Both these assumptions are false, and all inferences from them are groundless.
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Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights. Nor is it denied that there is, and probably always will be, a relation between labor and capital producing mutual benefits. The error is in assuming that the whole labor of community exists within that relation. A few men own capital, and that few avoid labor themselves, and with their capital hire or buy another few to labor for them.
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Again, as has already been said, there is not of necessity any such thing as the free hired laborer being fixed to that condition for life. Many independent men everywhere in these States a few years back in their lives were hired laborers. The prudent, penniless beginner in the world labors for wages awhile, saves a surplus with which to buy tools or land for himself, then labors on his own account another while, and at length hires another new beginner to help him. This is the just and generous and prosperous system which opens the way to all, gives hope to all, and consequent energy and progress and improvement of condition to all. No men living are more worthy to be trusted than those who toil up from poverty; none less inclined to take or touch aught which they have not honestly earned. Let them beware of surrendering a political power which they already possess, and which if surrendered will surely be used to close the door of advancement against such as they and to fix new disabilities and burdens upon them till all of liberty shall be lost.

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http://www.infoplease.com/t/hist/state-of-the-union/73.html
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True. That is why Lincoln supported labor unions
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Thank Stuart Zechman for this quote.
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stuartzechman
February 24, 2011
at 10:42 am
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http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/02/24/morning-must-reads-unions/
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#13.
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“You could hardly be more elitist .”
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“Neither Liberals nor Conservatives are bad people. They both just have different opinions as to what is in the best interest of our citizens and country.
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Again, thanks for your honest rational post.”
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Warning: This is how 3X works. Stuart Zechman, Sacred and I have all been the recipients of 3x’s flattery.
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It is soon followed by bile telling us that we will “be banished to the desert for 40 years”
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Don’t take Mr Magoo, AKA 3xflatulance3 seriously.
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He can be, unintentionally, very amusing.

“Indeed. You people are not the only bunch requiring enlightenment. I look in at other sites than this.”
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Now that is elitist!
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Take note WD40. Next time you like to use that word, the above is almost a textbook definition of arrogance and elitism.

3xfire3@11.2.
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Thank you for the support, I appreciate it. However, I don’t worry too much about things that Wong has to say. I am convinced that he is suffering from some liberal version of Tourette’s Syndrome. I am just waiting for his head to explode.

patricsartor@10.4,
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It’s not bragging if you can do it, Pat.

shepherdwong@10.3,
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Indeed. There are many unenlightened, Wong. I never said that the job was easy.
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Take you, for example, you are certainly a hard case. If I can get the truth to penetrate your hard head than I am well on my way to success.

patricksartor@3.12,
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Cherry picking the liberal death threats that you choose to defend? That is disingenuous. There was more than one liberal death threat on Twitter that was reported on that link that I provided.

“There was more than one liberal death threat on Twitter that was reported on that link that I provided.”
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None would pass probable cause for law enforcement and, most of it would, if applied to the president, would be regarded as “tame political discourse”
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Nobody said the word “kill”or “I will”.
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It was, also, not broadcast for public viewing, just for the people on Twitter who, already followed this guy and was not done by another public official.
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So, although not good, it is not equivalent to anything right wing talk show hosts have done or what Sarah Palin was doing. It was people venting their frustration in relative privacy.

“I am convinced that he is suffering from some liberal version of Tourette’s Syndrome. I am just waiting for his head to explode.”
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Please don’t tell me that your another fake doctor, Paulie.
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Now, in terms of medicine, I am qualified to put a band aid on a paper cut – maybe – but I do know that Tourette syndrome does not result in an exploding cranium.
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Psychiatric meltdown had an entire video of aliens with exploding heads. Is this a weekly talking point – exploding heads?
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It’s such a bizarre concept that, I have to wonder if it is something Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh talks about while wearing a tin foil hat or other leftover wrappings for clothing or why the concept of craniums exploding and leftover wrappings used as clothing is such a common right wing remark.
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You know that craniums are not flammable nor volatile due to high water content and a lack of flammable or volatile compounds, so, where is this concept coming from?

Patrick,
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I see from the number of posts you are making that you are out of work again. Does that mean you can start drawing unemployment checks for the third time in 3 years.
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No one with a real job could spend as much time on this blog as you do.

Probably it will never be proven, but I believe most of the threats and hysteria regarding Obama should be classified as having someone who is serving as President while black.
Occasionally I will read comments on what would be called neutral sites and the racist vitriol is overwhelming, both against Obama and his family.
This is where someone like Limbaugh becomes dangerous.

Enlightenment?
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Replacing facts with right wing talking points the opposite of of enlightenment.

“Does that mean you can start drawing unemployment checks for the third time in 3 years.”
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First self employed people are not qualified for unemployment benefits at all.
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Second, nobody is qualified forunemployment checks for the third time in 3 years in the United States.
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Third being self employed means that sometimes you have eleven or twelve hour days and, other times you have four or five hour days. Four times last week I had nine and ten hour days and, yesterday I had a four hour day. Monday may be busy, but I don’t know until it happens.
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Thank you 3xflatulance3 for proving beyond a reasonable doubt that you have never managed a business since business managers are almost always familiar with how unemployment benefits work and you do not.
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Now why don’t you go back to claiming that as a CEO you discovered that giving tax breaks to companies when there are far fewer customers makes CEOs want to give away those additional net earnings to hire people to sit on their ass and do nothing.
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Facts show that tax breaks to businesses do one thing: increase CEO and, secondarily and to a far lesser extent, other top executive’s pay.
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Stimulating the economy by getting many people to come through the door, however, forces companies eager to make a profit to hire more people.
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Yet you keep on saying the opposite.

BTW: your reaction was to a post I wrote at 10:10 PM on a Friday night.
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When you were standing around at your company headquarters imagining what a CEO did a CEO, how many times did you make the decision to rent office space at 10:10 PM on a Friday night?
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It is true that some specific fields of computer programing and a few other lines of work do employ people at 10:10 on a Friday night but the purchase, sale, leasing or subleasing of office space, retail space and industrial space for businesses happens almost exclusively Monday through Friday between 9:00 am and 5:00 pm.
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Attention paid trolls: please study the jobs you claim to have or have had before posting.

Did you know that Federal Employees do not have the right to collective bargaining?
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Do you know who created the process to deny this right to over 2,000,000 Federal Employees?
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President Obama with 2 years of control of both houses of Congress chose not to change this law.
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In the words of President Carter.
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History will regard the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978 as one of the most important laws enacted by this Congress.
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In March, when I sent my proposals to Congress, I said that civil service reform and reorganization would be the centerpiece of my efforts to bring efficiency and accountability to the Federal Government. It will be the key to better performance in all Federal agencies.
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In August, Congress approved Reorganization Plan No. 2 of 1978, which restructured the central institutions of Federal personnel management. This Civil Service Reform Act of 1978, which I sign today, adds the muscle to that structure.
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This legislation will bring fundamental improvements to the Federal personnel system.
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It puts merit principles into statute and defines prohibited personnel practices.
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It provides a more sensible method for evaluating individual performance.
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It gives managers more flexibility and more authority to hire, motivate, reward, and discipline employees to ensure that the public’s work gets done. At the same time, it provides better protection for employees against arbitrary actions and abuses and contains safeguards against political intrusion.
Our aim is to build a new system of excellence and accountability.
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Sounds like Governor Walker is not asking for anything significant different than what President Carter and Obama have related to Federal Employees.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=29975

3xflatulance3,
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I hope somebody tells the American Postal Worker’s Union that they are not allowed to organize.
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The Battle in Wisconsin: ‘Are We Next?’
An Urgent Video Message
From APWU President Cliff Guffey
(02/25/11) “I want to make sure that every APWU member understands the importance of what is happening in Wisconsin,” says union President Cliff Guffey in a video message. The nurses, teachers, firefighters and police of Wisconsin are fighting for the fundamental right to have a voice at work…“for the American values of freedom, fairness, and the right to speak, organize, and negotiate for a better life.”

“If Gov. Walker succeeds in taking away the rights of middle-class working people, other states will follow his lead — and attacks on our right to negotiate will not be far behind,” Guffey says.

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He asks: “If we fail in Wisconsin, who’s next? Are we next?”

APWU members across the country are showing solidarity with embattled public workers in Wisconsin, attending rallies and declaring, “Stop the War on Workers.” Members are encouraged to attend events in their area.

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http://www.apwu.org/issues-publicworkers/index.htm
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Any more facts you wish to tell us today, 3x?

American Postal Workers Union
Founded July 1, 1971
Members 330,000
Country United States
Affiliation AFL-CIO, UNI
Key people Cliff Guffey, President
Office location Washington, D.C.
Website http://www.apwu.org

Patrick,
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“Facts show that tax breaks to businesses do one thing: increase CEO and, secondarily and to a far lesser extent, other top executive’s pay.
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Stimulating the economy by getting many people to come through the door, however, forces companies eager to make a profit to hire more people.”
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You talking about the job of a CEO is like a second grader talking about playing basketball in the NBA.
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1. You live in a bubble.
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2. You have very little real world experience.
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3. Your education is somewhat limited.
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4. Your only knowledge is what you get off of Google.
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5. You have no experience at managing anything.
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6. You have little or no experience at traveling outside the USA.
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7. You have no experience of supporting a wife and children.
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8. You are too ignorant to understand the knowledge gained from extensive experience.
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9. You have never served in the military.
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10. You are a vegetable who sits in front of his computer all day and does not have the work ethics to go out into the real world and make something of him.
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11. You constantly claim others are not who they say they are or that their accomplishments are untrue.
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12. You are jealous of the accomplishments of others in that you have none of your own.
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13. You are a star loser and you will always be one because you have no ambition. If you did you would have completed at least one college degree.
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I had to work my way through college and I have two degrees. I also served our country in the military for 4 years. I took the risk with a young family and barrowed money and started a business at age 34 and built it in a substantial business with $35,000,000 a year in sales and provided good jobs for 65 employees. I could go on and name at least 30 other significant accomplishments but I think you get the message.
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Now Apr and some of the other losers will come to your defense and say how mean I am. The above description of you probably fits most of them also.

Patrick,
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As usual you show your ignorance.
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Yes federal employees can be members of a union. This is also true of state employees in WI. What Walkers bill will do is limit the collective bargaining rights of the public unions in WI. in much the same manner as they are limited for over 2,000,000 Federal employees.

As usual, 3xfire, the verbose and mostly incoherent patrick, thinks he can overcome fact by unleashing a torrent of garbage. His idea of victory is by shouting down the opposition and then resorting to personal attack, if all else fails.
He is tiresome, immature and mentally unbalanced. He is also an abject failure in life. Pay him no mind, he is simply not worth ten seconds of your time.

“As usual, 3xfire, the verbose and mostly incoherent patrick, thinks he can overcome fact by unleashing a torrent of garbage.”
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That’s rich, coming from you. Read your own worthless, garbage-filled comment. I haven’t seen a sourceable fact from you since you’ve been commenting here, just a bunch of arrogantly-spouted, right-wing talking points and flatulent conjecture. You have zero credibility here to complain about the quality of anyone’s comments.

shepherdwrong,
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Some of us have done the work to get a good education and multiple college degrees. We also have substantial real world experience. What this equals is a lot of personal knowledge that you and many others on this website do not possess.
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Some of us have a substantial amount of knowledge [kind of like college professors]. We don’t need to Google on every subject that comes up. We are knowledgeable and well read.
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You and Patrick remind me a lot of each other. You both have little real knowledge of your own and you’re really good at Googling. Patrick doesn’t have nearly as foul of a mouth as you do. You are the worst on this site for the use of foul language.

3xflatulance3,
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There is no way I am going to believe, from the way that you write that:
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1) You were ever a manager of a business since business managers know who can and can not get unemployment benefits.
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2)You were ever a decision maker for for a business, since if you were one the top ten or twenty people in a business, you would have toured office spaces and/or factory space to determine if they were suitable and would have known that these things do not happen at 10:10 PM.
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3) You do have a background in the sciences since nobody who has a background in the sciences believes the climate change deniers.
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4) You have never studied business nor economics since you are in denial of the Keynesian fiscal money multiplier and, worse, yet, support debunked supply side theories.
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So, what else could explain your presence?
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You are a paid troll and overpaid troll if you beat minimum wage.

Sorry, shepperd, that I don’t swing to the far left, as do you.
I also have noted your propensity to label conservatives “traitorous and contemptible” for daring to share a viewpoint different than your own.
Why is this, sheperd? Instead of discourse, you and patrick delight in mud slinging. Liberals sure are prickly, are they not?

Here go earljr and his friend showing their elitist colors. They never miss an opportunity to state their educational superiority. Even if their claims were true, the ignorant are found in every education level.
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I will now reveal my educational background.
BA: Plant Science-Turfgrass Management
Masters: Gaming and Casino Management
PHD: In Depth Psychology
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As you can see, I am an expert on everything.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/02/labor_protests_across_the_usa.php?ref=fpblg
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Great slide show of labor rallies across the US.

“Liberals sure are prickly, are they not?”
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Yeah, it’s something about authoritarian-following right-wing liars mindlessly supporting professional “conservative” whores who keep selling out our government and our country to the highest corporate bidder. Go figure.

“Some of us have done the work to get a good education and multiple college degrees. We also have substantial real world experience. What this equals is a lot of personal knowledge that you and many others on this website do not possess.
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You don’t know jack about me, @sshole (except the potty-mouth, of course ;^). If you, in fact, have multiple college degrees, I hope you got them from a diploma mill of some sort. Otherwise you wasted a lot of time and money.

Earl,
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Sometime in the past nine days you were telling 53_3 how you were “only 39 years old” two days before you told Apr that you were 37 coming up on your 38th birthday.
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3Xflatulence3,
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Put a sock in your ass and stop spreading your fertilizer all over the post.
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I am prone to believing that you and Earl are sock puppets (one person with more than one handle).
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Now, quit your paid trolling and get a job where you will be productive rather than just a pain in the ass.
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Otherwise Earl can explain to us how he grew a year and a half younger in two days.
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I was going to find that entry, but, I decided, not to waste too much time on this.

And it will lead to nothing, april. Labor unions have passed their prime and will soon be this generations dinosaur. Only left wing enthusiast’s cling to the notion of unions creating jobs and prosperity. Quite the contrary, they have ruined industry and have only enriched the coffers of their usually corrupt leaders.
I know you still swear by the manifesto, april, but face it, Che is dead now and there are no bearded hero’s to carry your banner. Chavez continues to try, but he is looking pretty wobbly, now.

And there you have it…patrick at his incoherent best. I am thirty eight for several more weeks, patrick, Can I count on getting a birthday card from you?

patricksartor@10.7,
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Yes, enlightenment. It has even effected you, Pat. My persuasive arguments are slowly bringing you around.

“Labor unions have passed their prime and will soon be this generations dinosaur. Only left wing enthusiast’s cling to the notion of unions creating jobs and prosperity. Quite the contrary, they have ruined industry and have only enriched the coffers of their usually corrupt leaders.“

For conservatives, rather, democracy is a psychological condition. People who believe that the aristocracy rightfully dominates society because of its intrinsic superiority are conservatives; democrats, by contrast, believe that they are of equal social worth. Conservatism is the antithesis of democracy. This has been true for thousands of years.
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– Digby

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/yearning-to-be-subjects.html

patricksartor@11.5,
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You are making some baseless assumptions, Pat.
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1. That an exploding head necessarily has anything to do with the liberal version of Tourette’s Syndrome. The two conditions could very well be unconnected.
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2. That comment on exploding heads is a talking point. It should be obvious to everyone that the incidents of exploding heads increased dramatically among liberals when Sarah Palin arrived on the scene.
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3. That the rules that apply to human craniums apply to Wong.

” That comment on exploding heads is a talking point. It should be obvious to everyone that the incidents of exploding dicks increased dramatically among 50 something and older conservatives when Sarah Palin arrived on the scene.”
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If you meant the little head and you meant ejaculation, for “explosion”then you would still have the wrong party. But, at least I could follow the concept.
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Maybe when I am 55 or so a 46 year old woman would make my “little head” “explode”.

Truth seekers on Swampland I spent way too much time trying to find the two other references earljr1 made to his age.
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I know that he called himself 37 and 39 within the past few weeks, but can not find it.
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It is like going through a needle in a haystack.
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If somebody finds earljr1 lying about his age, then, maybe, he will be shamed into going offline or using a different, less annoying sock puppet .
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It may have been last month Earl was claiming to be 37 and 39. I don’t know.
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Can somebody research this? I think I have done my share to push aside the paid wingnuts for today.

“My abrasive arguments are slowly going down“.
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Fixed it for you.

“(not to rub it in 53, but I made WAY more than 200k last year and I am only 39) Just goes to show what a good education and high motivation can do.”

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/01/03/house-republicans-set-health-care-repeal-vote/#ixzz1F7Xay8LS
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#17.13
earljr1
January 4, 2011
at 10:57 pm
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So, Earljr1 how did youbecome one year and several months younger.
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1) You lie about being a doctor.
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2) You lie about your age.
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3) You lie about not being a paid troll.
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Now, since you have spread nothing but lies and insults please go fck yourself and get out of swampland.

You can almost see sputum spraying from this nut cases mouth. What an immature child you are and seriously deranged, too.
I have been advising you for months now, patrick, get some seriously needed help before you stroke out.

“Liberal institutions straightway cease from being liberal the moment they are soundly established. Once this is attained NO MORE GRIEVOUS AND MORE THOROUGH ENEMIES OF FREEDOM EXIST than liberal institutions.”

Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

Take a look at this:
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I am 37 and at the pinnacle of my success. I replaced a failing heart this morning, what have YOU accomplished? Time to grab some lunch and converse with normal people. I have certainly wasted enough time with the likes of you.
earljr1
July 23, 2010
at 12:12 pm
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Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/07/22/the-tea-partys-structual-dilemma/#ixzz1F86056Wg
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17.6
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Now please explain how one can be 37 years old on July 23rd 2010 and be 39 years old in March 2011?
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Easy: you can’t.
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You are a liar.

Wow!
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Nietzsche.
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The philosopher of psychotics elitists.
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Although we have no idea who you are, what your name is or what type of blue collar work you did before becoming a paid troll, we know that you are psychotic, elitist and have severe issues with your self perception regarding your own weight.
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(That last part was obvious to me since you went at it full throttle for months against me that you are, yourself, uncomfortable with your appearance )

“You can almost see sputum spraying from this nut cases mouth.”
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Actually, if you read it with the tone I would have spoken in had I said it, it would have sounded like a list of overdue library books being announced, softly, by a librarian.
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Sputum: The mucus and other matter brought up from the lungs, bronchi, and trachea that one may cough up and spit out or swallow. The word “sputum” is borrowed directly from the Latin “to spit.” Called also expectoration.

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http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=5539
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Are you sure you don’t mean “saliva” unless you presume I have bronchitis.
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I don’t spit when I speak, either.

fhmadvocat @ 6.8

This is a case of where the Democrats acted like children and decided that if they couldn’t win, they were going to take their ball and go home.
Frankly, as a Liberal, and a general supporter of Democrats, I am embarrassed by the actions of the Wisconsin state caucus. I completely agree with them on the issue at hand, but as Obama said to the Republicans, “Elections have consequences”, some of which, we might not even like.

I agree with you. The old adage is: “democracies always get the kind of government they deserve.” Winning elections is about making a coherent message and getting the voters to accept it.

3xfire3 at 9.4

I find that too many people on this blog get wrapped up in what are really perceptions/opinions and truly believe them to be facts. Democracy works best when people of different opinions stand for elections and then debate and work for what they believe are best for the country. That doesn’t mean taking your ball and going home.

What Patrick said @ 9.5

This is from Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”:

“The conservative or classical liberalism vision understands that life is unfair, that man is flawed, and that the only perfect society, the only real utopia, waits for us in the next life.” (pg 149)

He says this about what ties liberal fascism (i.e. liberalism) with classical fascism (i.e.Mussolini & Hitler) is:

“Most of all, they share the belief —-what I call the totalitarian temptation —-that with the right amount of tinkering we can realize the utopian dream of “creating a better world.” (pg15)

So, according to Jonah liberalism is godless. This is a meme which right wing historians echo all the time.

The Authoritarians

(The author, Bob Altemeyer, says this helps you understand your brother-in-law)

Goldberg offers this as the reason why Hitler was a man of the left:

“…Hitler deserves to be placed firmly on the left because first and foremost he was a revolutionary. Broadly speaking, the left is the party of the change, the right the party of the status quo. On this score, Hitler was in no sense, way, shape or form a man of the right.” (pg 59)

This is basic if A=B and if B=C then A=C reasoning.

He adds this as a end note to this paragraph:

“For conservatives, in contrast, revolutions are almost always bad—-unless, as in the case of the United States, you are trying to conserve the victories and legacy of a previous revolution. (pg 59).

If you were wonder what the term “classical liberalism” is, you’ll find the answer here, it is “the American revolution.”

Of course, this contradicts Goldberg’s way of reasoning about Hitler, if the America had a revolution it was liberal, which makes it on the left, if it was on the left then it was against the status quo, which would make it the antithesis of the right, and if you were on the right then you were a loyalist to the English King. So wouldn’t that mean conservatism is pro-monarchy because it was out to conserve society from revolutionaries?

It is too easy to call this tortured logic. This is amoral logic because it flaunts logic to present a its own self serving narrative.

This is from Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”:
“The conservative or classical liberalism vision understands that life is unfair, that man is flawed, and that the only perfect society, the only real utopia, waits for us in the next life.” (pg 14)

sorry, wrong page quoted.

a·mor·al (-môrl, -mr-)
adj.
1. Not admitting of moral distinctions or judgments; neither moral nor immoral.
2. Lacking moral sensibility; not caring about right and wrong.

Definition #2, in the sense of not wanting to treat the subject objectively.

Earl’s quote came from Twilight of the Idols by Friedrich Nietzsche, 1888.
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http://refspace.com/quotes/Twilight_of_the_Idols
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His reference to “liberalism” is not the same as the one Americans use in 2010.
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This is the 2010 American definition of Liberal:
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–adjective
1.
favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2.
( often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3.
of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4.
favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5.
favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6.
of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7.
free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8.
open-minded or tolerant, especially free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
9.
characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
10.
given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
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not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
12.
of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
13.
of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.
–noun
14.
a person of liberal principles or views, especially in politics or religion.
15.
( often initial capital letter ) a member of a liberal party in politics, especially of the Liberal party in Great Britain.

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal
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Nietzsche was referring to Classical Liberalism of 1888.
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According to E. K. Hunt, classical liberals made four assumptions about human nature: People were “egoistic, coldly calculating, essentially inert and atomistic”.[10] Being egoistic, people were motivated solely by pain and pleasure. Being calculating, they made decisions intended to maximize pleasure and minimize pain. If there were no opportunity to increase pleasure or reduce pain, they would become inert. Therefore, the only motivation for labor was either the possibility of great reward or fear of hunger. This belief led classical liberal politicians to pass the Poor Law Amendment Act 1834, which limited the provision of social assistance. On the other hand, classical liberals believed that men of higher rank were motivated by ambition. Seeing society as atomistic, they believed that society was no more than the sum of its individual members. These views departed from earlier views of society as a family and, therefore, greater than the sum of its members.[11]

Classical liberals agreed with Thomas Hobbes that government had been created by individuals to protect themselves from one another. They thought that individuals should be free to pursue their self-interest without control or restraint by society. Individuals should be free to obtain work from the highest-paying employers, while the profit motive would ensure that products that people desired were produced at prices they would pay. In a free market, both labor and capital would receive the greatest possible reward, while production would be organized efficiently to meet consumer demand.[12]

Adopting Thomas Malthus’s population theory, they saw poor urban conditions as inevitable, as they believed population growth would outstrip food production; and they considered that to be desirable, as starvation would help limit population growth. They opposed any income or wealth redistribution, which they believed would be dissipated by the lowest orders.[13]

Government, as explained by Adam Smith, had only three functions: protection against foreign invaders, protection of citizens from wrongs committed against them by other citizens, and building and maintaining public institutions and public works that the private sector could not profitably provide. Classical liberals extended protection of the country to protection of overseas markets through armed intervention. Protection of individuals against wrongs normally meant protection of private property and enforcement of contracts and the suppression of trade unions and the Chartist movement. Public works included a stable currency, standard weights and measures, and support of roads, canals, harbors, railways, and postal and other communications services.[14]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism#Core_principles
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So, for what it’s worth, Nietzsche was critical of what modern Americans would call conservatism.
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So, to modernize Earl’s incoherent and random rant we have:

“Free market institutions straightway cease from being free the moment they are soundly established. Once this is attained NO MORE GRIEVOUS AND MORE THOROUGH ENEMIES OF FREEDOM EXIST than free market institutions.”

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I know that this is a fair translation, but, Nietzsche was very insane.

patrick, once again, fails to get the point (why am I NOT surprised?)
Fredreich Wilhelm Nietzche was an avowed atheist and liberal philosopher. He was also Adolph Hitler’s favorite philosopher and he frequently quoted him.
Precisely the point. Liberals are their OWN worst enemy and generally self destruct (see patrick as being exhibit “a”) build a liberal house and it will usually collapse due to weak support or….spend yourself to bankruptcy in one easy lesson, the VERY foundation of liberal philosophy.

Earl,
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First how can you be 37 years old on July 23, 2010 and be 39 on January 4, 2011?
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Are you going claim a warp in the time space continuum or just admit that you make things up to sound good?
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“Fredreich Wilhelm Nietzche was an avowed atheist and liberal philosopher.”
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Your first statement is misleading:
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“Alternatively, the death of God may lead beyond bare perspectivism to outright nihilism, the belief that nothing has any inherent importance and that life lacks purpose”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche#Death_of_God.2C_nihilism.2C_perspectivism
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Nihilism (pronounced /ˈnaɪ.əlɪzəm/ or /ˈniː.əlɪzəm/; from the Latin nihil, nothing) is the philosophical doctrine suggesting[says who?] the negation of one or more putatively-meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological, metaphysical or ontological forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible or that contrary to our belief, some aspect of reality does not exist as such.

The term nihilism is sometimes used in association with anomie to explain the general mood of despair at a perceived pointlessness of existence that one may develop upon realizing there are no necessary norms, rules, or laws.[2] Movements such as Futurism and deconstruction,[3] among others, have been identified by commentators as “nihilistic” at various times in various contexts.

Nihilism is also a characteristic that has been ascribed to time periods: for example, Jean Baudrillard and others have called postmodernity a nihilistic epoch,[4] and some Christian theologians and figures of religious authority have asserted that postmodernity[5] and many aspects of modernity[3] represent a rejection of theism, and that such a rejection entails some form of nihilism.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism
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This is distinct from what most people call atheists. It is a belief not only the absence of a deity, but in the total absence of meaning of life and morality.
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As for calling either Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche or Hitler liberal, you must be a fourth grade dropout
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Re-embodiment of amoral aristocratic values

For Rüdiger Safranski, the Übermensch represents a higher biological type reached through artificial selection and at the same time is also an ideal for anyone who is creative and strong enough to master the whole spectrum of human potential, good and “evil”, to become an “artist-tyrant”. In Ecce Homo, Nietzsche vehemently denied any idealistic, democratic or humanitarian interpretation of the Übermensch: “The word Übermensch [designates] a type of supreme achievement, as opposed to ‘modern’ men, ‘good’ men, Christians, and other nihilists … When I whispered into the ears of some people that they were better off looking for a Cesare Borgia than a Parsifal, they did not believe their ears.”[7] Safranski argues that the combination of ruthless warrior pride and artistic brilliance that defined the Italian Renaissance embodied the sense of the Übermensch for Nietzsche. According to Safranski, Nietzsche intended the ultra-aristocratic figure of the Übermensch to serve as a Machiavellian bogeyman of the modern Western middle class and its pseudo-Christian egalitarian value system.[8]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch#Re-embodiment_of_amoral_aristocratic_values
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Nietzsche was was an avowed nihilist right wing aristocrat who influenced right wing dictator Adolph Hitler
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You, also, make the mistake in believing that atheists are more likely to be liberal than libertarian (conservative).
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Most atheists such as myself see humans as pack animals with inherent desire to be a part of the pack by, among other things being moral people and, furthermore that since ethical codes are extremely similar from culture to culture morality is universal among human beings.
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Comparing most atheists to Nihilists is like comparing most religious people to jihadists or crusaders – completely unreasonable and unfair.

Earl,
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You are classic example of where religious based morality fails.
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To most atheists – not Nihilists, they are a distinct group of people who are only technically atheists just as Buddhists are, technically atheists - ethics is taught by human interaction in a society and, just as our brains are pre-set to look for language (see the non-political work of Noam Chomsky regarding language – uncontested and apolitical in nature) we are born with brains eager to figure out what is positive behavior and what is negative behavior and, with few exceptions such as sociopaths/psychopaths (in the psychological category of anti-social – anti-society, not somebody who does not like to go to parties – personality disorder) we desire and gain happiness from doing the things which are regarded as good and noble and shamed and made unhappy by doing things which are viewed as ignoble or evil.
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The list of things which are considered good and noble from culture to culture greatly outnumber the number of things which are culturally specific as are the list of things considered ignoble and evil are, also greatly outnumbered by the number of things which are culturally specific.
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But, if morality exclusively comes from a religion all immoral things done on behalf of that deity is regarded as good.
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As an atheist, lying will be equally wrong under all circumstances.
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By contrast, Earl can lie to say that he is a 37 year old, 38 year old or 39 year old (depending upon the day) doctor when he is not to promote what he feels his deity would want.
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Hence, humanitarian atheists can not feel good about lying while obsessively and unreasonably religious people like “Dr” Earl may lie as much as he likes so long as he believes it is helping his deity

Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche was an avowed nihilist and fascist, aristocratic, far right wing philosopher. He was also Adolph Hitler’s favorite philosopher and he frequently quoted him.
Precisely the point. fascist, aristocratic, far right wing are their OWN worst enemy and generally self destruct (see Earl as being exhibit “a”) build a fascist, aristocratic, far right wing house and it will usually collapse due to weak support or….spend yourself to bankruptcy in one easy lesson, the VERY foundation of fascist, aristocratic, far right wing philosophy.
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Now this makes sense.
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Fixed it for you.

Let me explain something to you, Earl:
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A humanitarian atheist, which isthe norm, believes that morality not only exists, but is a force of nature like gravity.
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First, if humans are animals of some kind, then we have to be a particular type of animal. To think of animals well known to suburban and urban Americans (as I was raised in the suburbs myself) there are cats and dogs.
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Cats are loners. They do not cross territory except to mate. After mating, the male moves on and the female never raises her young with the assistance of the male, rather completely alone.
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Once they reach adulthood, cats seek separate territory from their mother and their siblings, never to know which cat is their father.
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By contrast, dogs are pack animals. Even more than it’s human master, whom dogs adore nothing pleases dogs more than the company of other dogs. Packs have hierarchies and rules.
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So, what makes all mentally healthy people happy? Other people. Even when we are alone, what do we often do? We read about other people, we watch movies about other people, we watch television about other, fictional, people.
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Hence, we are pack animals.
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So, if we are pack animals, we are happiest when we are on good terms with other human beings.
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So, therefore, second humans form rules. With the overwhelming majority of these rules being identical from culture to culture and religion to religion these ethics are universal and, therefore, are morality making morality a force of nature.
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The contrast with non-humanitarian religion is huge. I would be as wrong to lie to promote my personal beliefs, atheism itself or my political ideas as I would if I were lying for my own personal gain. While you may lie and be forgiven by an outside force. I, by contrast, can not be more easily forgiven for immorality than I can be forgiven by gravity.
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Most American Christians, American Jews, American Muslims and so on are humanitarian first.
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For those of you who are not, you may justify any immoral thing your heart desires just like the 9/11 hijackers did.
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When I heard the right wing saying, in reaction to 9/11 that God has a special love for America all I could think was “Oh, no! Isn’t it the mixing of nationalism, ethnocentrism and religion what caused 9/11? I our government doesn’t become as psychopathic as the jihadists were.”
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Yet, you, Earl, sit on your make believe moral high horse and lie through your teeth.

patricksartor@11.2,
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TMI, Patrick!
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I am certain that no one here at Time wants to know what makes you “little head” explode. Please spare us in the future.
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Thank you.

patrick,
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Do you actually believe people waste their time reading al the “dribble” you post?
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I certainly don’t. I think most people on the swamp do like I do and scroll right past all your Googling. Get a life.

“I am certain that no one here at Time wants to know what makes you[r] “little head” explode.”
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Sorry, Paulie, you got it wrong again.
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I am not yet 40.
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It’s more like 26 year old to 36 year old intelligent women who have an impact on me.
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“It should be obvious to everyone that the incidents of exploding dicks increased dramatically among 50 something and older conservatives…”
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I was referring to the adoration and worship 50 something and older conservatives have for a woman I think of as an old lady.
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You have both the wrong ideology and the wrong body part exploding.
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Liberals, most women and men under 50 years old look at Sara Palin and nothing explodes. We are just baffled by why anybody is paying attention to her.

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I”m sorry, 3xflatulance3, let me do it your way:
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I was a CEO.
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Back when I was a CEO, we found out that Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche was an avowed nihilist and fascist, aristocratic, far right wing philosopher.
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Now, since you have not been a CEO, you couldn’t possibly understand Nietzsche.
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With your little brains, you, need a CEO like me to explain Nietzsche to you.
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You are very welcome for my brilliance.

I note that among the hilarity bandied abut here today is rdw56′s gem.
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His story is Southern Strategy all the way and he’s sticking to it.

I think also, regardless of how our resident right wing crackheads feel, the facts are these:
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1. The number of demonstrators against Walker’s conduct is far larger than the number of demonstrators in favor – and – the numbers those Teabaggers did manage to pull were only because they bussed everyone in.
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2. The Teabaggers are on the wrong side of yet another issue – the right for government workers to collectively bargain – by about a 65 to 35 margin, percent wise.
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3. Since the election, they haven’t needed the Dems to kick them in the teeth, they’ve done it all by their lonseome.
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Now, for an opinion:
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They are in for a very hard fall.

53_3@17,
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1. Unions have always been able to assemble a rent-a-mob. There is nothing impressive about it. They could not however get a 50 state protest going. Their predicted million protesters fell short by about 900,000.
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2. Polls will not save you on this. Wisconsin will pass this law and the protesters and AWOL democrats are starting to annoy the public.
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3. No one said that cutting government will be easy. Their are millions of parasites dependent on government largesse. They will not go down without a fight to the finish.

patricksartor@11.14.
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What your age has to do with anything is beyond me. It is merely a distraction and it is more than we need to know.
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I suspect that your speculation about Sarah’s popularity with those under 50 is based on your own personal bias.
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When liberals look at Sarah, their reaction is a knee jerk fear and loathing. Her very existence puts the lie to their claim to represent the rights of all women.

“What your age has to do with anything is beyond me.”
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When I was 13, I thought 13 year old girls in my class were sexy.
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When I was 15, I did not think 13 year old girls were sexy, but, 15, 16 and 17 year old girls…..
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Outside of slender and pleasant looking and, to men her age and up, sexy, her statements are, as they say in Boston, “talkin ragtime”, ie Total nonsense.
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Outside of wishing she would stop talking and start stripping, I can not imagine what any man would look at her and listen to her speeches for.
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Some women identify with her and, we all know that women, all else being equal, pay more attention to attractive women than unattractive women.
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So far, she has not made one coherent, reasonable statement, so, admit it, you are imagining Sara taking her clothes off and cheering for her in hopes that she does.

“1. The Tea Party has always been able to assemble a rent-a-mob. There is nothing impressive about it. They could not however get a 50 state protest going. They were outnumbered by union supporters 50 to one
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2. Polls will not save Republicans on this. the Tea Party protesters and Koch Brothers owned Republicans are starting to annoy the public.”
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MADISON, Wis. — Americans strongly oppose laws taking away the collective bargaining power of public employee unions, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll. The poll found 61% would oppose a law in their state similar to such a proposal in Wisconsin, compared with 33% who would favor such a law.

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3. No one said that cutting government will be possible. Their are millions of parasites dependent on government tax loopholes and tax breaks. They will not go down without a fight to the finish.”
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That’s accurate.

If she weren’t attractive, both liberals and conservatives would react to Sara Palin this way:
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But since conservative men in their 50s think she is sexy and conservative women wish to look more liker her she is famous.

3. No one said that cutting government will be easy. Their are millions of parasites dependent on government largesse. They will not go down without a fight to the finish.

Civil servants are not “parasites” (i.e. welfare recipients) They provide essential services that make it possible for society to function smoothly enough so business can flourish.

Lord, what a miserable life you must live, patrick. Instead of doing anything remotely productive, you have spent this entire Sunday camped out on swampland spewing your voluminous garbage. (it never seems to end)
You really do need to get some semblance of a life.

earljr1:
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Just.
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Shut.
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Up!

Paulejb:
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Polls, good ones, have a way of turning into votes.
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Don’t forget that 538 was within 0.38% of the outcome in 2008 and just as close in the last election…

Another pathetic personage heard from. Another wasted life. The liberal movement seems to have fallen on hard times and 53 represents this fact quite well. Sleep tight, oh angry one.

earljr:
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It’s all you deserve.
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BTW, the offer is still open…

…it’s that “entitlement jonesing”, you know, earljr1.
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To other, more intelligent people:
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My wife is doing well.

rdw:
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Don’t dig yourself a deeper hole than the one I had you dig for yourself the other day. To wit:
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Which Democrats, after their defeat in the Civil Rights battles in the ’60s defected to the GOP?
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Earl not only expects us to believe that he is a doctor, but , that he is a doctor capable of bending the space, time continuum
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I am 37 and at the pinnacle of my success. I replaced a failing heart this morning, what have YOU accomplished? Time to grab some lunch and converse with normal people. I have certainly wasted enough time with the likes of you.
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July 23, 2010
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Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/07/22/the-tea-partys-structual-dilemma/#ixzz1F86056Wg
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“(not to rub it in 53, but I made WAY more than 200k last year and I am only 39) Just goes to show what a good education and high motivation can do.”

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/01/03/house-republicans-set-health-care-repeal-vote/#ixzz1F7Xay8LS
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earljr1
January 4, 2011
at 10:57 pm
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In five months and eight days Earl went from 37 years old to 39 years old. Better yet in February 2011, he is 38, after being 39.
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You have the credibility of a pathological liar Earl.
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53_3,
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People like Earl are beyond shame.
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They must be paid trolls since you, I or any other normal member of the human race would be red faced embarrassed for getting caught in such a dumb issue as lying about their age to impress people they never have and, most likely, never will meet in their life.
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Sure, I’ve met girls who liked me and lied about their age (usually younger girls pretending that they are older – I tend to win over younger women, like in their early to mid 20s even when I don’t try to, maybe I look a little like a daddy figure) but, online, since we should rule out the possibility of Earl wanting to have sex with somebody here, lying about one’s age and occupation is shameful.
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Yet confronted with an obvious lie, Earl, like the rest of them keep on going and going and going.

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