Obama Administration Scores a Legal Win on Individual Mandate

As Adam already noted, a third Clinton-appointed federal judge ruled late yesterday that the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate passes constitutional muster. Two federal judges appointed by Republican presidents have said the opposite.

Adopting many of the well-worn arguments offered by the Obama Department of Justice, Washington Judge Gladys Kessler wrote yesterday that the decision not to buy health insurance is clearly economic “activity” and therefore the federal government has the power to regulate it under the Commerce Clause. Opponents of the mandate say a decision not to buy a product – like insurance – is passive and therefore not technically “activity. Kessler rejected this, writing in her opinion:

It is pure semantics to argue that an individual who makes a choice to forgo health insurance is not “acting,” especially given the serious economic and health-related consequences to every individual of that choice. Making a choice is an affirmative action, whether one decides to do something or not do something. They are two sides of the same coin. To pretend otherwise is to ignore reality.

Kessler also wrote that the connection between overall insurance premiums and the mandate is obvious and direct, saying the link is “strikingly similar” to a 1942 case called Wickard. In that case, the Supreme Court ruled that the federal government had the authority to prevent a man from growing wheat on the basis that doing so would affect the national market and prices for everyone else. The Obama Administration says if individuals are allowed to forgo insurance and receive uncompensated care as a result, the costs are passed on to Americans who have insurance.

The five plaintiffs in the Washington case – Mead vs. Holder – are all uninsured and said they would pay for care out of pocket or forgo all medical care because of their religious beliefs. Kessler rejected the argument that the individual mandate violated the plaintiffs religious freedoms, pointing out that they were free to pay the individual mandate penalty and still remain outside the health insurance or health care market. On the former argument – that individuals should be able to choose to forgo insurance in favor of paying for their medical care out of pocket – Kessler wrote in a footnote:

To put it less analytically, and less charitably, those who choose–and Plaintiffs have made such a deliberate choice–not to purchase health insurance will benefit greatly when they become ill, as they surely will, from the free health care which must be provided by emergency rooms and hospitals to the sick and dying who show up on their doorstep. In short, those who choose not to purchase health insurance will ultimately get a “free ride” on the backs of those Americans who have made responsible choices to provide for the illness we all must face at some point in our lives.

Kessler’s logic is rooted in the fact that American health care is incredibly expensive. Highlighting a federal law that requires doctors and hospitals to treat patients regardless of their ability to pay, Kessler wrote that she was skeptical an entire class of Americans could afford to pay for medical care without insurance. She noted that the average hospital stay in 2008 lasted four days and cost $29,046 and wrote that some 62% of all personal bankruptcies are due to medical expenses.

Surely disappointing the DOJ lawyers who argued the case in her court, Kessler rejected the Obama Administration’s backup argument that the individual mandate penalty is constitutional because it is a tax. (The federal government has the power to levy taxes.) Relying on arguments made by Florida Judge Roger Vinson, who recently ruled the individual mandate unconstitutional, Kessler said purpose of the individual mandate is to punish uninsured Americans, not to raise revenue.

This case, like the four others decided before it – two in favor of the DOJ and two against it – will be appealed. In addition, a variety of other cases have been dismissed. See here for a full list.

Related Topics: affordable care act, gladys kessler, individual mandate, wickard, Health Care
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  • newfreedomblog

    It will still go to the Supremes. Sorry.

  • newfreedomblog

    Oh, and Obambi and Company could get 100 Clinton appointees to say this is “constitutional” and it still won’t matter. It only takes ONE judge to say otherwise.

  • nflfoghorn

    You love decisions that go the way of your philosophy and hate those that don’t. Wonder why?

  • ricardo4max

    Yes 1,000 left wing activist judges could put the OK stamp on that horrible piece of legislation but it only takes one judge to declare it Unconstitutional. At the present, Ayatollah Obama and his regime are violating the law.

  • constantweader

    The “free ride” which Kessler highlights in her footnote should get the attention of any sentient tea partiers (and, no, I don’t think that’s an oxymoron; I just think most tea partiers are confused, misinformed, selfish &/or greedy).

    If tea partiers don’t want to have to pay the healthcare costs of people too selfish or cheap to buy health insurance, they should favor the individual mandate.

    The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com

  • luckyjackaubrey

    Just one activist Republican judge, legislating from the bench? Is that what you mean?

  • rm11

    Oh, come on. A Federal district court judge’s ruling is binding only in his district. No single district court judge can declare a law unconstitutional and make it binding on the entire country for the entire country. If there’s a disparity in rulings among districts, it has to be resolved on appeal.

    Were you guys asleep or on drugs in Civics class, or something?

  • bostonian2307

    It takes 5 judges to stop this from continuing, not 1. Or did you forget how many judges sit on the supreme court?

  • nflfoghorn

    Getting someone to take action based on a mandate is a lot like ordering a mandatory evacuation — there will still be some people who refuse to leave. Conversely, there will still be some folks who refuse to get insurance no matter how affordable or accessible it is. And like a storm victim, they suffer the negative consequences.

  • stuartzechman

    “Obama Administration Scores a Legal Win on Individual Mandate”

    OBAMA: Let’s break down what she really means by a mandate. What’s meant by a mandate is that the government is forcing people to buy health insurance and so she’s suggesting a parent is not going to buy health insurance for themselves if they can afford it. Now, my belief is that most parents will choose to get health care for themselves and we make it affordable.
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    Here’s the concern. If you haven’t made it affordable, how are you going to enforce a mandate. I mean, if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house. The reason they don’t buy a house is they don’t have the money. And so, our focus has been on reducing costs, making it available. I am confident if people have a chance to buy high-quality health care that is affordable, they will do so. That’s what our plan does and nobody disputes that.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoSnqofelsQ&feature=player_embedded

    That’s some “win,” alright.

  • newfreedomblog

    Kessler’s ruling just increases the necessity for the U.S. Supreme Court to rule.
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    What part of this is so difficult to understand? Libtards, go figure.

  • newfreedomblog

    No, rather than call for a final Supreme Court ruling, Obambi and Company have now taken this to 20 different cases across the country. How much is this costing? How much is this country in debt?
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    Millions upon millions of tax payer dollars will be wasted, yet again. This is how our liberal friends do things.
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    Spend, Waste and Tax.

  • nflfoghorn

    “Kessler’s ruling just increases the necessity for the U.S. Supreme Court to rule”
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    So conversely every conservative judge’s ruling is the gold standard????

  • nflfoghorn

    Let’s face it – the only reason why this law is being fought so strongly in court is that SOMEBODY’S LOSING $ out of the deal.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Obambi and Company have now taken this to 20 different cases across the country. How much is this costing? How much is this country in debt?

    Rusty has no idea just how funny that statement is. Shall we tell him?

  • shepherdwong

    …a third Clinton-appointed federal judge ruled late yesterday that the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate passes constitutional muster. Two federal judges appointed by Republican presidents have said the opposite.
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    At this point, isn’t it painfully obvious that the federal judiciary is hopelessly politicized (as if it weren’t after Citizens United or, certainly, Bush v. Gore)?

    Ideologically-driven judges like Vinson have proven themselves all too willing to dismantle hard-fought pieces of legislation like the Affordable Care Act in order to advance a political agenda from the bench. We need fair and independent judges who will not twist the law to advance a right-wing agenda and favor powerful interests over everyday Americans.

    Is this a another important political story that is being effectively embargoed by the political press for reasons they won’t share with the public? Inquiring minds…
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    http://afjjusticewatch.blogspot.com/2011/02/tea-party-judge-strikes-down-affordable.html

  • shepherdwong

    Come on, Stuart. I’m betting at UnitedHealth Group and WellPoint, it was high-fives and drinks all around. Get with the program, dude.

  • CP in FL

    newdumblog – I didn’t know that the Obama Administration (Obambi and Company) were the ones filing cases against the Affordable Care Act. Are you really that dense? I guess you are hitting the bottle early today.

  • constantweader

    Your analogy shows that you completely misunderstand the major “negative consequence” uninsured people bring not to themselves, but to the rest of us.

    Pay attention, now. When the uninsured person gets sick, he goes to the emergency room, gets treatment, the hospital bills him some outrageous amount, he can’t or won’t pay it, and the hospital spreads the unreimbursed cost of his care to other insureds via increasing their rates. That’s the way it works now & that’s the way it will continue to work if the individual mandate fails.

    Your cheerleading for the demise of the individual mandate is counterintuitive & anti-conservative. Do you really want to give irresponsible people a “free ride,” as the judge characterizes it?

    The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com

    P.S. If you truly don’t understand this, write to me & I’ll see if I can figure out a better way to explain it.

  • allthingsinaname

    “Is this a another important political story that is being effectively embargoed by the political press for reasons they won’t share with the public? Inquiring minds..”
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    I am convinced that Political, Judicial, and Press power is beyond the average individual. Thai is to say we are all being led about.
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    The power has to be taken; no one is going to give it away. Want the News? You have to make it.

  • nflfoghorn

    Make it in what sense? BEING the news or MSU?

  • rdw56

    Bush v. Gore

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    You got this one wrong. This has proven to be an important precedent setter requiring various states to set consistent rules and procedures for recounts such that a putz like Al Gore can’t cherrypick what counties get to recount nor can anyone design different rules for different wards tailored to favor their cause as Gore was so clumsy about in 2000.

    Let’s face it, Gore had done to liberal vote count rigging what he did to global warming. Both are dead issues.

  • rdw56

    Citizens United

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    Another ruling you get wrong which is even more critical and broader than Bush V Gore. This was a dramatic affirmation of free speech rights and one of the most important decisions of the last couple of decades.

    Isn’t it interesting that the House just ended public funding of Presidential campaigns? Interesting because Obama, arguably the most left wing President since Wilson, made no attempt to defend this liberal election law.

  • allthingsinaname

    Both? We look for the Press to argue our points, or the Politicians for that matter. We do not like what they do, but we do nothing.
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    My sense is that we as people are divided, while those in power are united; it is in their interest to keep us that way.

  • rdw56

    Is this a another important political story that is being effectively embargoed by the political press

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    It’s a non-story. As stated above by others it doesn’t matter if 1,000 judges approve or disapprove. This is going to the SCOTUS. Kagan will recuse and we’ll get either a 4-4 or a 5-3 decision depending on Kennedy. Most likely according to a handful of astute court watchers is Kennedy will be persuaded by the fact Kesslers logic will allow the govt to regulate any thing. If the decision not to buy HC is activity so is the decision not to buy peas.

    If anything this decision is a setback because Kessler did not buy the odd Obama argument this is a tax. But even that is only a small PR issue. This will be decided by Justice Kennedy.

  • shepherdwong

    You got this one wrong. This has proven to be an important precedent setter…
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    You’re an idiot. It was a corporatist judicial coup d’eta and the traitorous Federalist Society hacks in the majority specifically wrote in their opinion that it couldn’t be used as future precedent, i.e., that they knew it was unconstitutional judicial activism of the sort they constantly and hypocritically decry.

  • nflfoghorn

    CW, if you’re talking to ME I ain’t mad at ya. I was simply pointing out the reasons why people choose NOT to do something for their own good, even if ordered to do it. I certainly want everyone (or as many as possible) to share in paying for health care. But you and I both know that a minority of people will be dragged kicking and screaming into accepting this.

  • rdw56

    NO, they should not favor the individual mandate. There are other ways to solve the freeloader issue. The point about the mandate is it’s an unwarranted expansion of government into the economy and our lives. It’s an issue of freedom, liberty and competence.

    The idea of bringing our emergency wards down to the level of the DMV is repulsive.

  • shepherdwong

    Corporations are not persons and are therefore not entitled to free speech under the US Constitution. You can look it up (in the Constitution, I mean, not the unsupportable written opinion by the lying, traitorous judicial hack, John Roberts).

  • shepherdwong

    It’s a non-story.
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    The class war being waged upon the entire American public by a sociopathic subset of the super-rich, using the tools of Republican and Democratic “conservatives” (including in the corrupted federal judiciary) and brainwashed fools like you, is the story of the early 21st Century. That’s what makes it so breathtakingly bad for our political press that they are not allowed to speak of it.

  • allthingsinaname

    “The class war being waged upon the entire American public by a sociopathic subset of the super-rich, using the tools of Republican and Democratic “conservatives” (including in the corrupted federal judiciary) and brainwashed fools like you, is the story of the early 21st Century. That’s what makes it so breathtakingly bad for our political press that they are not allowed to speak of it.”
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    Thank you.

  • rdw56

    Actually the decision has been cited more than two dozen times and used to stop or prevent unfair recounts. If IL has a ‘problem’ at the state level there won’t be a recount limited to Chicago to give the Democrat all sorts of opportunities to find votes. There will either be a statewide recount or no recount at all. There will be one set of standards to apply to each county or no recount as all.

    Several liberal ‘scholars’ such as Jeffrey Tubin still edge toward a nervous breakdown each time they thing about it but in non-partisan circles Bush V Gore is accepted as a wise and smart decision that will have import for a very long time. -

  • fhmadvocat

    Frankly, I am troubled by the ruling. I think this judge got it wrong and the only judge who has gotten it right was Judge Hudson in Richmond, Virginia (one admission-I have practiced before Judge Hudson, so I am not without bias).

    Regulation of an industry does not mean the right to require every person breathing to buy from that industry. The Commerce Clause gives the Federal Government to regulate the industry. It can not require American citizens to purchase a brought sold by private companies. If we are required to purchase a product by the federal government, what do you think happens to the price of the product? It goes up. This is simple economics which seems to have eluded the Obama administration.

    As has been stated many times, can the Federal Government require us to buy vegatables because they are good of us and it affects interstate commerce? According to this judge, yes it can!

    Frankly, I might buy the idea that the “penalty” is a tax, which makes sense, since someone has to pick up the tab when someone receives medical care, but can’t pay for it. In those circumstances, usually the federal government picks up the tab. It would make sense to collect a tax to cover medical costs, especially as Medicare/Medicaid is the big budget buster that no one in Washington wants to tackle. However, the idea of punishing someone who won’t purchase health insurance is troubling. Even more disturbing is that some judge thinks that’s constitutional.

  • rdw56

    I agree corporations are not persons but then neither are unions. The central flaw of the bill and the reason why McCain has such tepid support from conservatives in 2008 is because liberals cleaned his clock in drafting this legislation to benefit all of their special interests. The original bill was a partisan mess and clearly anti-free speech. Personally I think Bush only signed the bill because he expected the courts to find it unconstitutional this flaw was so obvious.

    There is no logical rationale that allows the law to block corporations because a corporation is not a person and then to allow unions or planned parenthood or any other organization. The fact is Chucky and the boys designed a really bad bill because they could and their over-reach resulted in a very nasty push back. That was a very broad rebuke that left them much worse off than before they started. Schumer was devastated understanding this court is young and it’s his last bite of the apple.

    Now losing public funding of Presidential campaigns it’s fair to say this has been a bad run for liberalism.

  • rdw56

    they are not allowed to speak of it.

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    so exactly what is this blog post if not the press speaking about it?

  • shepherdwong

    There is no logical rationale that allows the law to block corporations because a corporation is not a person and then to allow unions or planned parenthood or any other organization.
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    That is correct. Organizations of any kind don’t deserve Bill of Rights protection.
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    But what’s been lost to the rabid right as the oligarch have turned them against their working class neighbors, is that unions and organizations like Planned Parenthood tend to represent the interests of average, working class citizens. Corporations don’t. They represent the interests of a very narrow subset of the population who’s desire for profit often run in direct odds to the public interest.

    This is the result of the aristocracy’s strategy since time began — pitting the serfs against each other to fight over an ever shrinking piece of the pie — while the nobles enjoy the fruits of their labor. In our democracy the way to do that is by exploiting the long standing resentments and cultural divisions that have been with us since the beginning. It’s very effective as we can see.
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    –Digby
  • rdw56

    This is old time Marxist horsesh*t which in the age of Reagan is nonsensical. What is working class? Whatever it meant in 1940 it does not mean anything today. You want to maintain that progressive image of corporations as evil but it’s contrary to the current experience and reality. I worked 30 years for a large corporation that funded a large charitable foundation, actively support United Way and other charities as well as community service work. I’m as middle class as they come growing up in a rowhouse in philly and I started buying stock in a 401k in 1979. After that I started an IRA and bought specific companies as well as mutual funds. I am a fan of corporations. They are as good and decent as the people who work for them. There is nothing inheritantly evil about a corporation or the profits they make. We are a great nation in part the result of our corporate sector.

    Planned Parenthood and unions are special interest groups no different than any corporation putting their own interests ahead of the countries. In any event for the purposes of that law it does not matter. Chucky and the boys got greedy and then got their heads handed to them. Citizens United might prove to be one of the biggest setbacks to liberalism in over two decades.

    BTW: This working class stuff is as dead as global warming. This is the age of Reagan. Think of all of the evil CEO’s. Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Steve Jobs, Michae Dell, etc. Hardly robber barons. All have major charitable trusts. The city of Philadelphia’s cultural institutions are heavily financed by Verizon and Comcast and dozens of other Corporations with their own charitable foundations making large annual ‘donations’. We all have matching 401ks or other saving plans providing quarterly staterments of our various holdings many of which are stocks. Want to make a case profits are evil. Go to Cuba.

  • shepherdwong

    Here’s your age of Reagan, you brainwashed, authoritarian-following moron:
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    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2011/02/what_americans_think_about_inc.html

  • rdw56

    They represent the interests of a very narrow subset of the population who’s desire for profit often run in direct odds to the public interest.

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    This is nonsense on stilts. Legal profits rarely run counter to the public interest. The way to top profits is to provide top notch goods and services people are willing and able to buy.

    I was no more than 10 when I started hearing this nonsense about the rich exploiting the poor. It never made an ounce of sense. Who in their right mind would want to exploit poor people? Doesn’t being poor mean you don’t have any money? What would the point be?

    This is just old line marxism that had some currency is an earlier age. It of course led to the worst mass murders in the history of civilization but in the capitalist West it never gained currency except among cranks, academics and other failures. Just think for a minute about the level of stock ownership in the USA. If you have a 401k, IRA or a union directed savings plan you almost certainly own stocks directly or in a mutual fund. You can’t tell these people profits are against the public interests. They want boffo profits. Even those with pensions plans are aware they own stocks indirectly. They’re OK with profits. They actually want their pension.

    You got an old time religion there my friend. It’s not dying. It’s been dead. You may or may not move into the age of Reagan but your kids damn sure will!

    BTW: saw a pleasing note related to this marxist religion thing and academia and this year those who were in the ivy league in 1968, the so-called golden age of unrest, are turning 66. Not only did they fail in selling their religion but they’re dying and there’s not a new generation to take their place. As a 20-something what ‘working class’ means. It will not be stated in Marxist terms. Actually they probably don’t know who Marx is and if they do what they know is probably wrong.

  • jeriv

    @Paul Dirks & @CP in FL: I’m just amazed you still pay any attention to what Rusty writes. :-)
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    Just do what I do and summarize whenever you see his name:
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    “blah flame blah blah libtards blah blah obambi blah blah flame”

  • rdw56

    Ezra Klein is a 24ish liberal airhead with almost no life experience, streets marts or basic common sense. He does keep with the marxist theme of income redistribution but it has so little currency and what little there is is so negative Obama is afraid to speak of it.

    Obama is a guy who is one of the greatest orators of our age and who with huge congressional majorities was unable to raise tax rates 1% on even millionaires. How much evidence do you need this marxist crap is useless. Americans are not marxists. Americans mock academics who preach it. We don’t like class distinctions and we don’t want govt geeks telling us who can make what or taking money from one group so they can hand it out for political advantage.

  • rdw56

    BTW: regarding Bill Gates and Warren buffett. While both are liberal they are actually disasters for the class warfare crowd. It’s all but impossible to portray them as evil thugs stomping on grandmom for profits. They’re pretty good guys. And they make unseemly profits. Bills worth over $60B and he’s already given away over $20B. Hard not to like a guy who’s adapted the poor in Africa. Doing a much better job helping them too. Much better than any govt has done.

    Buffett is even more useful to my side. He’s a big mouth pushing for higher tax rates and the rich to pay more while he uses every tax dodging scam on the books. He cold not divorce his wife because that’s a tax event so he put her in control of a nice $2B cultural trust to hand out $100M a year to her closest friends in SF while collecting a very nice salary as trustee. It’s called a “D E A L”. He also famously only takes a $100K annual salary pissed he’s taxes less than his secretary. Hmmm, that’s true. But how is it the Secretary can’t afford a $5M vacation home in CA and a $15M private jet and stay only in 5 star hotels? Hmmm.

    In this age of People Magazine and Forbes and the Internet we know who this people are as well as Tiger and Michael Jordan and Steven Speliberg, George Clooney, etc., all of the fabulously wealthy hollywood stars, music stars, Athletes, etc and you think you can demonize every CEO?

    This ain’t the Progressive Era.

  • shepherdwong

    Ezra Klein is a 24ish liberal airhead with almost no life experience, streets marts or basic common sense.
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    You know, as convinced as I am of Ezra Klein’s incompetence, based entirely upon your expert, detailed and substantive proof that he hasn’t forgotten more about everything than you’ll ever learn (at the ripe age of 24), he posted a chart. Showing economic data. By someone else. Without comment.
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    Idiot.

  • rdw56

    He posted a chart and that means he’s smart?

    He posted a chart on income distribution. Income distribution charts are worthless because income data is worthless. Warren Buffet is the worlds richest man who on average made $1B a year over 40 years and never declared more than $100K a year.

    Income distribution is a Marxist statistic. It has no value as an economics statistic. It isn’t just that incomes are so distorted but the populations themselves are distorted. People move between income brackets all the time. This is nothing more than a political statistic and not all that useful. The only people using it are socialists, marxists and liberals.

  • rdw56

    response to 8.9 posted at 12 by accident.

  • rdw56

    The following is a clarification of the danger of what the SCOTUS might do in deciding Obamacare. If you think Citizens United was bad news consider the fact this SCOTUS, which delivered Schumer such a strong rebuke, could deliver an even more devastating rebuke to liberalism by rewriting the commerce clause going back to reverse some New Deal decisions. Not only is this possible but at least two conservative legal experts are predicting it. If Kennedy decides that not buying insurance does not constitute economic activity it will then will logically be reversing a dozen previous cases significantly rolling back the definition of interstate commerce and the ability of the Feds to regulate the states. This has the potential to dwarf Citizens United in importance.

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    Martin Karo: Thought crime comes of age
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    February 23, 2011 Posted by Scott at 1:36 PM

    We’re stretched a little thin on the legal front, but reader Martin Karo has pitched in to offer this commentary on Judge Gladys Kessler’s Obamacare ruling today:

    Orwell’s dystopian 1984 vision has come of age. Judge Gladys Kessler of the federal district court for the District of Columbia actually held, on page 45 of her ruling upholding Obamacare, that Congress has the right to regulate mental activity.

    One wonders if liberal judges ever read their own opinions aloud, so they can absorb what they just “said,” or ever consider the ramifications. The case most like the one at bar — Wickard v. Filburn — involved a farmer who grew his own wheat during the Depression, to feed his chickens. The Roosevelt Administration sued poor farmer Roscoe Filburn, contending that his wheat production put more of his acres under wheat cultivation than he was allowed under New Deal legislation.

    The Court held that, even though he was not selling the wheat and thus not marketing anything, the fact that he grew his own wheat meant he bought less wheat from other farmers. That, in turn, affected interstate commerce. To call that reading “tortured” is a compliment to torture, but that was the ruling.

    Now apply the ruling of Judge Kessler to farmer Filburn. The Agriculture Adjustment Act of 1938 was part of a carefully considered regulatory scheme, intended to control how much wheat was marketed, and what the price would be. See pages 35-36 of Judge Kessler’s opinion. Suppose Mr. Filburn decides not to grow wheat on his wheat-eligible acreage. That affects interstate commerce just as much; now there are X bushels less of wheat on the national market, which will reduce the supply, which will cause prices to rise. Pace Judge Kessler, Mr. Filburn can be forced to grow wheat – and not just wheat, but Y acres of wheat — and fined and jailed if he refuses.

    The sole difference between the two situations – the 1938 Act mandated a ceiling, while Obamacare mandates a floor – is a distinction without a difference. Both are complex regulatory schemes designed to control both the supply and the price of a market commodity.

    And in a subsidiary point, Obamacare also does contain a ceiling: if you have a “Cadillac” health plan, Obamacare imposes a punitive 40 percent penalty on it – specifically intended to force all health insurance plans into the narrow band that they deem appropriate.

    The very underpinning of the “must participate” argument – that all citizens partake of health care – is demonstrably untrue, as is the assertion that everyone who gets health care needs insurance. There are numerous religious sects whose members refuse modern medical assistance.

    And it isn’t only the “rich” who can afford to pay out of pocket for health care; the Amish, for example, pay all of their own health care costs as a matter of religious principle. Unfortunately, I suspect that if Judge Kessler ever even bothered to balance mentally the “commerce clause” rationale for ObamaCare against the “free exercise” clause of the First Amendment, the Amish would lose.

    Mr. Karo is an attorney practicing law in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

  • CP in FL

    “Income distribution is a Marxist statistic. It has no value as an economics statistic.”
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    So I guess when economists cite the growing income disparity between the rich and the poor, they just don’t know what they are talking about? I think the more likely explanation is that you get all of your information from Fox “News” and Rush and then you come here and spout your nonsense.

  • np042

    Perhaps you should re-read shep’s post. The topic of this blog post is not what “it” is.

  • hippooath

    “The only people using it are socialists, marxists and liberals.”
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    Like Freeinpa and others who use this statistic to talk about what bracket pays the most income tax?

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Which is exactly why the dems should have gone for the public option, or better yet, medicare for all. But of course they couldn’t do that, the insurance industry were the loudest voices against those plans.

  • fhmadvocat

    Frankly rdw56,

    While the Supreme Court may (or should) overturn the individual mandate, I don’t see this case as having the big impact you foresee.

    If one looks at the New Deal Era cases, it was about the Federal Government regulating industry. Yes, it was a grab of federal power, but it is power which has withstood the test of time . . . . . .

    The problem with the individual mandate is that it does not regulate industry, which is permissible, it requires American citizens who purchase a product or service from a private company. This is the part which is unconstitutional.

    Judge Kessler’s decision is very poorly reasoned. The only legitimate argument the Obama administration could make was, that the “penalty” was a “tax”. Even Judge Kessler rejected this argument.

    If I were a judge, the first question out of my mouth would have been, “Does the interstate commerce clause allow the government to pass a law to require American citizens to buy vegatables?” After all, that affects interstate commerce and we all know that vegatables are good for us. I would have loved to see how the government would have answered.

  • rdw56

    Here’s your age of Reagan, you brainwashed, authoritarian-following moron:

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    Have to take issue with ‘authoritarian’ , don’t much care about the brainwashed charge. Authoritarian is a variation of big government. It’s not totalitarian but a close cousin. here’s a definition:

    “Authoritarianism is a form of social organization characterized by submission to authority. It is opposed to individualism and democracy. ”

    This of course describes liberalism which subscribes all power to the Government. It’s liberals who want to assign decisions to the ‘elite’. Reagan conservatives are by definition small government and out contempt for elitists is well known. Conservatism is the precise opposite of authortarian. That along with totalitarianism, liberalism, socialism, communism, fascism, progressivism and marxism are all religions of the left.

    Jonah Goldberg wrote a very interesting and influential book called Liberal Fascism exploring all of these various lefty religions and their derivation.

  • rdw56

    No, he’s not using it to try to sell a lefty viewpoint but rather to counter one. His is a response, an answer, an explanation, an attempt to educate, to enlighten. You might say he’s the Mother Thersea of the political class.

  • rdw56

    So I guess when economists cite the growing income disparity between the rich and the poor, they just don’t know what they are talking about

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    That’s not at all what I said. They know exactly what they are doing. They are using data that is useless from an economic perspective but easy to manipulate airheads for political purposes. This is old time marxist populism designed to create divisions and class warfare. You know the old saw, “put a chicken in every pot and stiff the other guy with the bill.” That’s liberalism.

    Warren Buffett is the patron saint of liberalism. Were he conservative you’d hate his guts. He’s made north of $50B hasn’t declared income on 1% of it. Lives like a King. What I love about Warren is that while he is deeply hypocritical he is so open about it. While bragging about taking only a $100K salary and paying less in taxes than his secretary he has a sense of humor. He named his $15M private jet “Indefensible’. Well of course it is. Why take the risk of poking his finger in the eye of his liberal fan club? What risk? Do you really think Time magazine is going to report his many frauds? They’ve been covering his tracks for 30 years.

    This is one of those cool things about being conservative. I cam see how liberals love Warren. He’s perfect for their cause. But once you get the fact he’s better for my cause. And in 2011 we get the facts. Not the Time whitewash.

  • shepherdwong

    Oh, I see. You think it’s some sort of historical social construct because you get your knowledge from a right-wing partisan hack. High right-wing-authoritarian-following is about psychology first:

    Don’t think for a minute this doesn’t concern you personally. Let me ask you, as we’re passing the time here, how many ordinary people do you think an evil authority would have to order to kill you before he found someone who would, unjustly, out of sheer obedience, just because the authority said to? What sort of person is most likely to follow such an order? What kind of official is most likely to give that order, if it suited his purposes? Look at what experiments tell us, as I did.
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    If, on the other hand, you’re way ahead of me, and believe the extreme right-wing elements in America are poised to take it over, permanently, I think you can still get a lot from this book. The studies explain so much about these people. Yes, the research shows they are very aggressive, but why are they so hostile? Yes, experiments show they are almost totally uninfluenced by reasoning and evidence, but why are they so dogmatic? Yes, studies show the Religious Right has more than its fair share of hypocrites, from top to bottom; but why are they two-faced, and how come one face never notices the other? Yes, their leaders can give the flimsiest of excuses and even outright lies about things they’ve done wrong, but why do the rank and file believe them? What happens when authoritarian followers find the authoritarian leaders they crave and start marching together?
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    I think you’ll find this book “explains a lot.” Many scattered impressions about the enemies of freedom and equality become solidified by science and coherently connected here.

    If you actually wanted to understand either the psychology or the social science of it, you would seek out the scientific expertise on the subject rather than some hack writer on wingnut welfare. So getting your knowledge from right-wing sources of disinformation instead of seeking out the best available science-based knowledge would be a very good example of right-wing-authoritarian-following. And that’s how I know you are one.
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    http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

  • paulejb

    How is doing nothing “activity.” Isn’t doing nothing the absence of activity. This Judge Kessler seems to believe that a decision not to do something is the same as the decision to do something. I guess it does matter what the definition of “is” is.

  • rdw56

    The problem with the individual mandate is that it does not regulate industry

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    Health Care and insurance are industries. They might be service industries but there’s no legal distinction.

    The problem with the mandate is it goes too far. The commerce clause regulates interstate commerce. Commerce is by definition activity. The logic by the Obama justice dept is that even in not participating, meaning there is no commerce, they can still regulate. Logically this opens the door to regulating everything. If you refuse to buy peas that’s an economic decision they can regulate.

    The conservative argument is there has to be limits to the Commerce clause and the logical limits would not just reverse Obamacare but 50 years of rulings. This is the conservative wet dream. The example shown above is of a guy growing wheat for his own purposes,not for sale within his state and definitely not for sale to other states, can be regulated under the commerce clause. I find that totally without merit. Yet it’s stood for many decades and has had a major impact. This court can reverse it and quite easily.

    Remember, this is a court that after 230+ years was the 1st to declare gun rights as an individual right. They are not shy. They knew the MSM would kill them on Citizens United. Not a factor. It’s not a popularity contest for them.

  • rdw56

    You have to see the obvious conundrum in your theory. To be a conservative is to favor LESS government and LESS regulation. This is the opposite of liberalism. This is the opposite of fascism. This is the opposite of socialism.

    What is remotely complicated here? You cannot win this argrument in 2011. Reagan was for SMALL govt and LESS regulation. Liberals are for MORE govt and MORE regulation. This defines liberalism. Do you really think you can run away from it?

  • rdw56

    That’s precise. You nailed it. If you expand that you can see how it comes down to 5 justices and what they think about what the founders intended. It’s pretty cool when you think about it from a conservative perspective in 2011. I have many problems with Bush but he was stellar on Justices. Roberts and Alito are stars. Roberts is an authentically brilliant chief justice. He”s learned the importance of 9-0 versus 5-4 decisions and how to tailor the crux of a decision to get to the desires point. For example he was able to be the 1st Chief Justice to define gun rights as an individual right yet only needed a 5-4 vote. He made no attempt to compromise to get a 6-3 or better vote. He got what he wanted and he defined it broadly. He might have done even better with Citizens United. With Scalia, Alito and Thomas he has all of the intellectual heft he needs. Roberts will negotiate with Kennedy from a position of power. Kennedy hates being referred to as a swing vote because that suggest he does not have a judicial philosophy. Rather he goes with the political flow. In fact he has a well defined philosophy and when it comes to commerce he stays close to the constitution. I can tell you a number of conservative court watchers are very happy with events.

  • fhmadvocat

    rdw56,

    Your definitions of “Conservatism” and “Liberalism” fly in the face of reality.

    Conservatism is the idea of conserving society as it is and being against change.

    Liberalism is the idea of changing society for the better.

    When you talk about less government and less regulation, what you are really arguing is Libertarianism.

    Now Libertarians are “conservative” on economic and business issues, but they are “Liberal” on just about every thing else.

    I’m against laws outlawing the use of drugs, like Pot. I don’t think the government should regulate drugs.

    I’m against laws banning abortion. I think that is a decision between a woman and her doctor.

    I am against the Patriot Act. It is unconstitutional and a grab of government power.

    Does that make me a Conservative?

    Under your theory I am a Conservative.

    Have you ever heard of the Unifying President theory. This was the theory that the President has any power for national security which is not prohibited by the Constitution. Do you really think it was Liberals who promoted this theory? No it was right wing intellectuals who pushed this. So much for Federalism.

  • shepherdwong

    You have to see the obvious conundrum in your theory. To be a conservative is to favor LESS government and LESS regulation. This is the opposite of liberalism…Reagan was for SMALL govt and LESS regulation.
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    You have to see, but obviously can’t, the effects of your right-wing-authoritarian-following and the “conservative” brainwashing that comes with it:

    As governor of California and president of the United States, he enacted policies that, in the main, greatly expanded the role and size of government.
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    As governor, he oversaw the largest tax increase in Californian history. Democratic Governor Jerry Brown cut back the tax rate when he came to office.
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    As president, Reagan expanded the federal government by about 90%.

    Reagan was lying, like all professional Republicans. Lying to convince high RWAs like you of something that is patently, provably untrue. Those who aren’t high RWA can see that, high RWAs can’t. Get it now?
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    No, you can’t.
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    http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory12.html

  • rdw56

    Conservatism is the idea of conserving society as it is and being against change.

    Liberalism is the idea of changing society for the better.

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    OK, this is insultingly stupid. Liberals only want to change society for the better. How friggin stupid is that? Who wants change to make their situation worse?

  • rdw56

    Only liberal airheads want total govt control of healthcare.

  • apr2563

    rdw56 reads Jonah Goldberg. Enough said. Lucianne’s boy never had an original thought and does not do his own research. Other do his research and then he “stovepipes” what supports his bogus thesis.
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    By the way, did anyone see the Andrea Mitchell interview of Donald Rumsfeld? He claimed to not know what “stovepipe” means. Really?

  • viciousmaniac

    This decision is the most blood-curdling I’ve ever seen. Essentially: Action does not need to provoke government. The government can act on thought alone. Thought is action.
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    After having this sorted for our “economy”, the next logical step is “security”, of course. For all our sakes, I hope even the liberal partisans can fathom how horrid this is.
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    Anyway, I suppose I’d better go shopping quickly, lest the government assume I’m willfully not participating in the economy.

  • fhmadvocat

    Answer to 14.5

    rdw56,

    You are missing the point and avoiding my question.

    Conservatives don’t want to change society.

    Liberals want to change society.

    You say Conservatives want less government:

    I want less regulations of drugs by the government.

    I want the government to stay out of regulating abortion.

    I want to repeal the Patriot Act.

    I want less government and regulation in these areas, does that make me a Conservative?

  • rdw56

    Rummy’s interview was one of the best I’ve ever seen. He blew her out of the water besting her on every single question. He was smart to make her define stovepipe, to make sure they had a definition everyone understood, andrea, rummy and the audience, and then immediately told her she was absolutely factually incorrect.

    This was on the accusation the dept of defense withheld information from Colin Powell. The left is terrified of attacking Powell since he is a respected black man and in trying to give him absolution for what they see as the sins in Iraq have painted a picture of a man spineless and stupid. Andrea was trying to suggest the Dept of Defense, not the CIA, had control of the intelligence and the all-powerful Rummy decided what Powell could and could not see. Rummy pointed out that suggestion was both factually incorrect and stupid. He did not point out they make Colin Powell look like a useless, spineless putz but then he didn’t have to.

    FYI: The video had gone viral on conservative sites as the example of how to humiliate any MSM reporte

  • rdw56

    Jonah has done very well for himself original or not. The book spent several weeks as the #1 NYTs bestseller on two different occasions. It did well initially and then after Jonah did a session with Glen Beck he went over the moon on it and his re-promotion put it back on the top position for several more weeks.

    It’s a very good book with a very logical description of the various lefty religions and correctly places fascism, a pure totalitarian religion, on the left where it belongs. Goldberg also does a good job destroying Wildrow Wilson as both a vicious,nasty racist and as the closest thing we’ve ever had to a fascist President. I was taught Wilson was one of the greatest Presidents ever and the 14 points peace plans one of the great successes of the last century. It wasn’t until the 90′s it became common knowledge Wilson set the table for WWII and for me Goldbergs book that Wilson re-segregated the Post Office and other Federal agencies.

    Now that we have the internet and major conservative outlets a lot of dirty laundry is coming out. It’s safe to say Wilsons former top 10 ranking is going to shift to the bottom 10 and the efforts of Hillary and Obama to relabel liberalism as progressivism are DOA.

  • rdw56

    I’ve avoided nothing. Reagan raised taxes because he was handed a large deficit as governor. He raised SS taxes as President because the trust fund was so poorly designed by Roosevelt constant increases were needed due to their pitiful demographic projections. These are not expansions of govt.

    Over time as the population grows govt will get larger as compared to prior periods. The size of govt is in context to the size of GDP and the population. The conversation now is going to be to target spending as some percent of GDP. The debt commission suggested 21%. I think it’ll be less than 20%.

    Conservatives are pro individual liberty. We don’t want govt sticking it’s nose in every aspect of our lives. Liberals now want the FCC to regulate the internet. Conservatives don’t want the FCC near the internet and would like to cut it’s bedget by 80%. It’s not complicated, Some liberals disagree with the patriot act. Pity Obama and many democrats in Congress aren’t among them. A clear majority of Americans support it. This is an expansion of govt mandated by changing security needs to make the USA safer.

  • rdw56

    . Do you really think it was Liberals who promoted this theory? No it was right wing intellectuals who pushed this

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    Actually it was FDR who followed Wilson who followed Lincoln.

  • rdw56

    . Do you really think it was Liberals who promoted this theory? No it was right wing intellectuals who pushed this

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    I have no idea what you are babbling about. What right wing group is plotting to take over the government? This is nonsense on stilts.

  • rdw56

    I expect Scalia, Alito and Roberts to get right to that core issue. It’s been a common practice of Scalia to ask advocates to define the constitutional limits of proposed legislation and to ask the kind of question which seems absurd but could be permissible logically. My understanding is the key work in defining the extent of their rulings is Roberts getting a sense where the majority stands and then deciding how strong a ruling he wants. In Citizens United he clearly wanted a decisive and broad rebuke and was willing to accept a narrow 5-4 decision to get it. He would not weaken the ruling to get 6-3 or 7-2. The sense among constitutional scholars is the commerce clause is the most abused clause in the entire constitution and a series of illogical rulings have to be reversed to bring it back to the intentions of the framers. Citizens United was an opportunity to strengthen the 1st amendment. This is thought to be the best opportunity in decades to reassert the original intent of the commerce clause and erase a handful of poor decisions.

  • wagedronenumber9

    The Roosevelt Administration sued poor farmer Roscoe Filburn, contending that his wheat production put more of his acres under wheat cultivation than he was allowed under New Deal legislation. The Court held that, even though he was not selling the wheat and thus not marketing anything, the fact that he grew his own wheat meant he bought less wheat from other farmers. That, in turn, affected interstate commerce. To call that reading “tortured” is a compliment to torture, but that was the ruling.

    Now apply the ruling of Judge Kessler to farmer Filburn. The Agriculture Adjustment Act of 1938 was part of a carefully considered regulatory scheme, intended to control how much wheat was marketed, and what the price would be. See pages 35-36 of Judge Kessler’s opinion. Suppose Mr. Filburn decides not to grow wheat on his wheat-eligible acreage. That affects interstate commerce just as much; now there are X bushels less of wheat on the national market, which will reduce the supply, which will cause prices to rise.

    I’m not a lawyer, but I do fail to see any sense in this argument. If Filburn doesn’t plant wheat then he will buy it from other farmers. The Roosevelt Administration sued him because he wasn’t buying enough wheat in the first place, so how will him wanting to buy more wheat, which the Feds wanted him to do in the first place, affect interstate commerce just as much and cause prices to rise? Sorry, I’ve thought about it but it doesn’t make any connection between the two for me.

  • rdw56

    This is a ruling conservatives have wanted to reverse since it was made. There are a series of rulings just as illogical. You point to just one problem. I don’t see how a producer in any one state who does not export to any other state could be legally regulated by the federal govt.

    The delicious irony here is this liberal President by his actions might get a 3rd decision from the Roberts Court that is devastating to liberalism and federal power. This is a court that after 230 years established an individual right to own guns. This is a court that issued a stunning rebuke of campaign finance reform in an unusually broad and far-reaching decision. This example of judicial activism in 1938 is the sort of thing Scalia and Thomas love to revisit and reverse trashing it as they do. Roberts and Alito are of the same school. Word is Kennedy has thought the commerce clause has been abused as well.

    It’s always dangerous to try to predict the SCOTUS with any certainty but several sober conservative legal analysis are suggesting this decision could be the most stunning and significant of the last decade. There will be 4 votes willing to go back and rebuke Kessler. Kagan will have to recuse. If Kennedy is so inclined this will be the most disappointed decision of Obama’s Presidency and result in a real loss of Presidential power.

  • rdw56

    rdw56 reads Jonah Goldberg. Enough said. Lucianne’s boy never had an original thought and does not do his own research

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    Interesting you mention Lucianne. Remember the role she played in proving Clinton was doing Monica? It was Lucianne who thru Linda Tripp was advising Monica and told her to take her dress to a safe place and don’t dare clean it. That of course was about the famous stain that proved Bill Boy was having too much fun.

    Back in the days Chris Matthews was watchable he had her on a fair amount. He knew she knew things and I happened to be watching one night when soon after the story broke but 8 months before Bill ‘confessed’ Lucianne told Matthews on air she knew Clinton was guilty. She knew that evidence to prove it existed and she guaranteed Bill would end up in serious trouble.

    I also had the fortune of watching the famous Bill Clinton Jim leher interview when Jim asked of there HAD been a relationship and Bill respoinded, “There IS no relationship”. A pretty obvious and rather insulting dodge. My two oldest daughters in high school at the time were standing with me. I asked them if they noticed the change in tense. They did but were so astonished he’d be that shallow were still processing if they heard the right thing. Lehrer also caught it immediately and not wanting to badger a President merely repeated the question without saying “well I know there isn’t a relationship NOW”. Bill repeated his same weak answer. MY kids were just flabbergasted. That’s at both Clinton and the Press. Note they were 18 and 16 so the idea of a 55 yr old man hitting on a 20-yr old girls was just repulsive. I told each of them to bring it up to their political science / history teachers. They did and had a wide discussion. The consensus was Clinton was a sleezebag and the press toady’s.

    Interestingly Lucianne didn’t like going on TV and cut deals to do so only if they also had Jonah on periodically. Obviously she was advancing his career like any good mommy would do.

    Poor Bill, this story will never die, never cease to be fascinating.

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