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While support for Unions might be stuck right in the middle, if you rephrase the question to be about support for Union Members you might get different results. This is of course why the WI state legislature has bitten off more than it can chew.

“The White House is walking a fine line here: Wisconsin and Ohio are virtually must-win states for Obama.”
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Who gives a $hit? I am sick of his fence straddling.

I wonder why he have to walk a fine line. is he afraid of losing conservative support?

Check out the signs held by those worthless, grossly overpaid, lawless, taxpayer-funded thugs/morons/parasites (aka so-called, self-described “teachers”). http://hotair.com/archives/2011/02/17/the-historical-illiteracy-of-wisconsin-teachers/

Predictably, the signs held by the aforesaid worthless, grossly overpaid, taxpayer-funded, lawless thugs/morons/parasites have been entirely ignored by their useful idiots at ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, A-Mess-NBC, NPR, Time magazine, the New York Times-Democrat, the Washington Post-Democrat, the Associated (with terrorists) Press, Sports Illustrated, Oprah, US Weekly, Good Housekeeping, Road and Track, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN Classic, et al.

You are sick.

And I think it’s very important for us to understand that public employees, they’re our neighbors, they’re our friends. These are folks who are teachers, and they’re firefighters, and they’re social workers, and they’re police officers. You know, they make a lot of sacrifices, and make a big contribution, and I think it’s important not to vilify them, or to suggest that somehow all these budget problems are due to public employees.
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It happens to be very easy to vilify “Unions” They’ve been known to use coercion, they make it difficult for businesses and it’s easy to find video clips of people being rude. Rank and file workers OTOH actually ARE neighbors and friends. Any strategy that manages to pit American workers against each other, and blame each other for their problems needs to be resisted strongly. The solution for the unemployment problem is NOT eliminating more jobs.

Clearly the signs are the work of Teabagger plants.

He is worried about the Village.

Jobs is so last year.

Grand Bargaining? Collective Bargaining and Government Workers Unions, Not Only Disgusting, but CRUDE
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The bill is not an attack on the middle class, public workers or jobs, Mike Wilson, head of the Cincinnati Tea Party, told a crowd gathered outside the Statehouse. “This bill is about math. Government has grown bigger than our taxpayers’ ability to support it.”

Rick Barry, a tea party member from Akron, said of public unions: “Their benefits are so much better than mine and their pay is so much better than mine, but they are still crying.”
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Wearing stickers that read “Taxpayer defender” and holding signs including those that read, “We’re broke. Support SB 5,” tea party activists said they wanted to show lawmakers that while they cannot compete with union numbers, there is support for changing collective-bargaining laws.
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The group is transitioning from holding politicians accountable to showing support for their actions, said Tom Zawistowski, executive director of he Portage County Tea Party. “We want them to know that if they do it, we will work to keep them in office.”
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He added: “We don’t have any more money. We have to make some hard decisions.”

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While a UNION WORKER gives his case. In his own words. CAUTION: Language is offensive
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Oh please. We know ‘Text’ by now. He’s a neocon savant.

The RATS Are Coming Out Of The Woodwork In Egypt
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Bingo!

Speaking of “rats”…

BORN IN THE USA? Stunner! Supremes to give eligibility case another look
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Is He or isn’t He? Maybe now we shall find out.

House Passes Amendment to Block Funds for Net Neutrality Order
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Challenging the “Great Regulator – in – Chief”.

Or phrase a question, do you support the following benefits for a union worker to be paid with higher taxes by you.
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You would probably get different results. MSM and Obama who has jumped into a state labor dispute on the side of the unions only mention collective bargaining. Try and find mention of what they receive and pay now vs what the governor is proposing to close billion $ budget gap.

The bill, which also bans collective bargaining rights for teachers, requires educators to contribute 5.8 percent to their pensions and 12.6 percent to their health care. Currently, educators pay 0.2 percent for their pensions and 4 to 6 percent of their health care costs.

aforesaid worthless, grossly overpaid, taxpayer-funded, lawless thugs/morons/parasites….
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Now we know just how well textee did in school……..

TEXTEE, great point. the liberal bias and hypocrisy in the media is abhorant. Can you imagine what the coverage would be if conservatives were holding Nazi and hitler signs protesting a Democrat governor.. It would be something like ” Republican thugs attacking governor.” and they would surely show these disgusting signs.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2011/02/17/fox-news-highlights-nazi-hitler-signs-wisconsin-pension-debate-netwo

Not a word. Not one syllable on the vile, disgusting rants by the leftist-Socialist-Communist Teachers Unions from our esteemed lame stream media.
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Truly evidence that the media in general in this country is so biased for the left / liberals it is not funny.

“And I think it’s very important for us to understand that public employees, they’re our neighbors, they’re our friends.”
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And the tax payers are nameless, faceless aliens? Obama didn’t seem to have any problem vilifying Wall St, Oil Companies, Health Care companies. I guess they were not neighbors or friends either.

The left is bi-ligual. They speak out of both sides of their mouth!

Funny how those signs hadn’t bothered you for the last two years.

Can you imagine? I was part of it this past summer. As Tea Party Protesters were vilified by the leftist media. It still continues to this very day.
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But, let our highly over-paid, unqualified, and totally dysfunctional Teachers protest, use even more vile and disgusting tactics. Nothing. Nothing at all from the lame stream media.

“Is He or isn’t He?”
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What? The anti-Christ? A Muslim? A Marxist? An anarchist? A Socialist? Muslim Brotherhood? New Black Panther? Which one this week, nutcase?
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Or maybe Obama is really George Soros!

Which HE precipitated…
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Wouldn’t want to leave out THAT little nugget, now would we, free?

“As Tea Party Protesters were vilified by the leftist media.”
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A reminder why the Tea Party Clown Car was so villified.
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http://instaputz.blogspot.com/2011/02/wingnuts-suddenly-opposed-to-hitler.html

Vile disgusting putrid horrible nasty nauseating _____.
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Two can play at that game. Unfortunately it only reflects the contents of the writer’s brain. Reality has quite a different flavor.

“Road and Track”?

Smackdown 2011!!!!!
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“If anything, I think it’s made the Republicans in the Assembly and the Senate stronger,” he told Fox News’s Greta Van Susteren in an interview Thursday night. “They’re not going to be bullied. They’re not going to be intimidated.”
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Walker also fired back at President Obama, who sided with the public employees, saying on Fox News Friday, “We are focused on balancing our budget. It would be wise for the government and others in Washington to focus on balancing their budgets, which they are a long way off from doing.“

“The solution for the unemployment problem is NOT eliminating more jobs.”
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I guess it depends on whose jobs are being eliminated. Ask the workers of auto Dealerships Obama closed or the fisherman in the Northeast that the EPA have discarded or the small oil companies in the Gulf of Mexico filing for bankruptcy due to the drillin gban.

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One difference the jobs the government has tossed aside were paid by private employers while the “jobs” you support come courtesy of the taxpayer. Seems you never tire of spending someone else’s money

“Wall St, Oil Companies, Health Care companies. I guess they were not neighbors or friends either.”
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No, they are certainly not. Do you live in the same neighborhood as Wall St financiers and Oil company CEO’s? For me, it’s too long a commute from Bahrain.

And the tax payers are nameless, faceless aliens? Obama didn’t seem to have any problem vilifying Wall St, Oil Companies, Health Care companies. I guess they were not neighbors or friends either.
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Probably not, free.
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You see, MY neighbors and friends don’t try to separate themselves from me with gated communities or treat me just as a mark from which to make a buck.
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You consider those your friends, free, or do you just HOPE they will be at some point?

Indeed there’s no reason that the pension contributions and health benefits can’t be on the table. But taking away the right to organize before even addressing them is to bring a sledgehammer to a card game. No one should be surprised by the reaction.

Funny how those signs bothered you for the last two years, now not so much.
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There FIXED it for ya!!
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Typical hypocritical Leftist A$$wipes.

Why don’t you go over and give the great Muslim cleric a big hug and a kiss, afguy. He looks like your type.

Dammit, textee, you forgot Ladies Home Journal!
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You’re slipping…

The reason I fraudulently called off sick to whine about my pay and benefits being cut and forced the schools to close……

JOKE OF THE DAY

sign at Wisconsin rally;

I HEART MY STUDENTS THA’T'S WHY I AM DOING THIS!

“I am going to go away, I just can’t take it anymore”, says mori-the-moron.
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Thought you were leaving the swamp A$$wipe? LOL

Sorry, Rusty, your ignorance is showing. I actually read the linked article for once, because I’m a lawyer and curious abut such things. All the article says is that someone whose case the Supreme Court has already decided not to consider has asked them a second time to consider it. I have no doubt that the result will be the same, notwithstanding all sorts of naive innuendo suggesting that something else may happen this time around.
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Obviously someone at the Supreme Court has to at least look at everything that comes in asking the Supreme Court to do something. They don’t get to burn before reading. The item may or may not be scheduled for the full Court to consider, and someone has to make that call. That means that even the wackiest nut can get his moment of consideration by simply filing something. It will get as much consideration as it deserves. Rarely will the Court take a case — it turns away dozens for every one it accepts. The official reports of the Supreme Court’s decisions contain page after page of multiple paragraphs listing cases the Court has declined to consider. Anything filed by a birther can be expected to show up on one such page soon enough.
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Honestly, Rusty, haven’t you noticed how frequently people point out that the right-wing sources you so love to quote are woefully deficient in contact with reality? This is a characteristically appalling example. I could with similar truthfulness send a letter to the Yankees asking for a tryout and headline my report of it “Yankees may select bobell for infield position.” Yeah, that’s the ticket.

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what he said.

oil companies, wall street, and health care company executives like to stay in their inclusive gated communites to keep the unwashed masses at arms reach. I’ve never met one, or seen one get involved in any community I’ve lived in. Compare that to public service union members who indeed participate in the community.

“No, they are certainly not. Do you live in the same neighborhood as Wall St financiers and Oil company CEO’s? For me, it’s too long a commute from Bahrain
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Right because the oil companies only employ CEO’s And Wall St only employs investment bankers. Union leaders get salary and benefits that rival Wall St financiers. But don’t say that out loud

ST. PAUL (WCCO) — Minnesota union members are watching the labor unrest in Wisconsin closely. And the head of the state’s 43,000-member public employees union says what’s happening in the Badger State is also headed for Minnesota.
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Eliot Seide, executive director of AFSCME Council 5, calls it a “deliberate plan” to break unions.
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“This attack on unions and on working people emanates comes out of Washington, D.C.,” said Seide. “By extreme, cheap labor conservatives who want to pit public workers against private workers and drive down the wages and benefits of all workers.”

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I think the people in this country are totally fed up with the likes of Big Labor whining and going on how much they are losing.
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Better be careful, it could all blow back into your faces!!

“You see, MY neighbors and friends don’t try to separate themselves from me with gated communities”
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It’s called protection and safety from left wing nut jobs who think there is a plot against them every time the price of oil goes up. They have been investigating for gouging for decades and yet have never been found. But hey why let that get in the way of your biases. Keep up the delusions

RustFreep, aside from the fact that these teachers did nothing wrong except try to earn a living, why are you so bothered over what (possibly, albeit justifiably) a few of the affected may have said in reaction to what their governor trying to do to them? This “she hit me first!” stuff you constantly spew reminds me of grade school…and is even more juvenile.

momentomori.
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“Road and Track” has pictures of “socialist” countries where they drive on the LEFT side of the road.
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D*mn Commies.

Because the best way to tackle unemployment is to attack people with jobs.
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Why didn’t I think of that?

Ilikebuffalochips, are you and your neocon buddies having a President’s Day party? Which ones do you celebrate – Hoover, Raygun, both Blushes…?

“But taking away the right to organize before even addressing them is to bring a sledgehammer to a card game.”
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You mean like Obama did to equity and bond holders in the GM and Chrysler deals? No surprise that you selectively view “sledgehammers”
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And despite the obfuscation its about “MONEY”. And no MSM organization has talked about the money issues. Why? It might show the union for the greedy whiners that they are!

Obama’s Friend: “Ahmadinejad: Obama can’t spell his own name”
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Now how’s that appeasement strategy working out for you Mr President???

It’s called protection and safety from left wing nut jobs who think there is a plot against them every time the price of oil goes up. They have been investigating for gouging for decades and yet have never been found.
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free, I was going to ask you for some sort of a link to support that but I think I’ve found it myself.
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It’s http://www.stuffpulledoutamyass.com/freeanalfacts.htm
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I’m pretty sure that’s the source for a lot of your “proofs”.

“Typical hypocritical Leftist A$$wipes.”
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‘A$$wipes’ and random capitalization are another pair of Rusty’s tells. I’m guessing Friday’s a day off for him, so he’s hitting the bottle early.

Troops open on peaceful protesters with live fire. Will Secretary Clinton renounce the bloodshed? Oh wait, it’s in Bahrain, never mind.

btw, will there ever be a thread about bahrain?

Well sh!t free (@ 4.2), I sure wish someone would vilify me like “Wall St, Oil Companies, Health Care companies” have been by the government over the past few years.

benjoya,
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Comments out of our State Department on that and the other events are a pretty good demonstration of our “impotence” in that regard.
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We have been reduced to guarded “comments” because our so-called “friends” are on the receiving end of these protests.
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We’ve lost the moral authority to say a whole lot on anything there and be believable.

You mean like Obama did to equity and bond holders in the GM and Chrysler deals?
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Equity and bond holders were trying to organize a union???
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Who knew…?

Shold be a reply to 16.

The Middle East. Complete chaos. A timeline of today’s events from Bahrain to Libya.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/8331331/Middle-East-protests-live.html

OFA to the Rescue: Obama’s campaign arm comes swinging in to protect Unions
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Gee, those bad bad people out in the States who are trying desperately to get their fiscal houses in order are being confronted by a President who will not do anything at all about our own National debt and deficits.
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Stay out of it Obambi. Let the Govs do their jobs. YOU DO YOURS

afguy, that’s true, but at least in egypt, we could express some solidarity with the protesters. ditto tunisia, iran, libya. but the MIC precludes our criticizing the bahraini king. and we sure as hell ain’t gonna give a shout out to the peaceful protesters in iraq (of which 5 have been killed)

apparently the bahraini military is not allowing ambulances to pick up the wounded. think anyone at time will ever write a word about it?

The Pew Survey:

Checking the participants: 26% Republicans
35% Democrats
39% Independents

Interesting since at the height ( or low) of those saying they were Republicans cams just before the 2008 election at 27%. So right before the Democrats won the WH and both Houses of Congress, Repubs represented a higher percent of voters than they do now as they have taken over the House of Congress and many state houses. Creative but probably not accurate.

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An even more interesting point is union membership:
Current 13.1%
in past 27.1%
Never 59.8%

The survey has over 1% higher current than than general population and a 40.2% union (current or past) exposure. And yet the result could not get a simple majority. The left can spin this anyway they want -its weak at best

No Obama disregarded decades of bankruptcy law to reduce their share and handed it to unions.

How To Corrupt Young Minds 101: “A Teacher Exploits Elementary Students”
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PHILADELPHIA – Students at a Philadelphia-area elementary school get a homework assignment about how much their teachers are underpaid, to the chagrin of school officials.
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The Pennsbury school district in Bucks County has been in the middle of a bitter contract battle with teachers since June 2010.
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And the presence of a pro-union assignment handed out to the fifth graders isn’t going over well.
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Recently, fifth graders at the Penn Valley Elementary School received a whole-story comprehension exercise.
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The reading exercise tells the story of a fictional eight-grade student in Michigan who is “upset over the way our teachers are being treated.”
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“We don’t pay teachers enough for the very important job they are doing… Do school boards across honestly believe they will be able to lure one million of the best minds if they are offering meager salaries that are in decline?” says the reading assignment.
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“What is the solution? It’s simple: raise the salaries of teachers,” the fictional student says.
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One of the questions for the assignment asks students to identify the initials for the National Education Association, the teachers’ union.

Just remember, that it took more than a few hours for Clinton to start doing that, and others of the Neocon stripe STILL said we should support Mubarak because he was our friend.
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Our collective diplomatic horses are hitched to a succession of strongmen in the area.
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We are simply stuck with that reality, and reduced to trying to salvage a little self-respect by expressing support for “democracy”.
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Behind the scenes, however, real “democracy” really hasn’t been on the front burner before present events.

“Well sh!t free (@ 4.2), I sure wish someone would vilify me like “Wall St, Oil Companies, Health Care companies” have been by the government over the past few years.”
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What it generally sounds like is class envy. At least be honest with yourself. I know that is tough for a liberal. But the left led by Obama did nothing but vilify them and used them as a punching bag to drive his whacky left agenda. In the end his re-distributionist policies are failures and the people know it.

The Historically Violent Leftist Supporting Teacher Unions and Government Workers Getting Violent Once Again
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NAMPA — Idaho Superintendent of Public Instruction Tom Luna’s vehicle was vandalized overnight at his Nampa home and he and his family have received threats, he told police.
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“Yes, he has made us aware of threats to him and family members and we are looking into those, and we are aware of those, and we are doing what we can to provide protection,” Nampa Police Deputy Chief Craig Kingsbury said.
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On Saturday night, a man who identified himself as a teacher reportedly showed up at Luna’s mother’s home in Nampa in order to speak with her about the superintendent’s contentious education reform plan. Luna happened to be at his mother’s house at the time, Department of Education spokeswoman Melissa McGrath said.

“Because the best way to tackle unemployment is to attack people with jobs.”
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You mean like HC companies, oil companies, banks, Wall St.? Seems the left never has trouble attacking them. But you have no problem with people that are struggling that receive 30% less in salary and benefits than these people and have them pay more in taxes to support what can be politely called bloat and inefficiency.

“Wall St only employs investment bankers”
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Uhmm, yeah, pretty much by definition. Unless you’re counting the servants.

And… no one has an issue with “Wall St, Oil Companies, Health Care companies” making money and hiring people. I like capitalism, I want them to be very profitable. My problem is that they have profound influence over our lawmakers.
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While I may vilify those companies for their greed, my issue is not with the companies– expect them to do whatever it takes to max profits– I blame our elected for embracing and institutionalizing the means for these cos to pay for laws that give them an unfair advantage.
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Example: HC cos paid into re-election coffers a record $1.4 million a day, via their lobbies, for the entire first quarter of ’09 (with a simultaneous advertising blitz). The result was that the Public Option was dropped by the Hill and Executive Office (as the media Luntz-ized public discourse) despite three national polls and one of physicians showing roughly 75% of Americans wanted the PO to be a part of HCR, and despite Obama’s campaign promises that he would provide one. I’m not necessarily saying that the PO was “the answer”- I’m complaining that it wasn’t even considered because the HC cos were afraid that they would lose market-share.
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Those cos warp our laws to provide for them over “the public”, often with devastating results. The lawmakers are to blame.
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(PS, the $1.4 mil and polls were linked many times in the Swamp.. I don’t feel like looking it up)

“Is He or isn’t He? Maybe now we shall find out.”
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At least no one will ever question how clueless you are about reality.

So far the “tea party crowd has shown an amazing lack of governing skills.

John Kasich is already a disaster in Ohio, Rick Scott has Democrats AND Republicans fuming and taking about a recall (Google “Recall Rick Scott”), and the Republican-led Congress has been an utter embarrassment in every sense of the word, failing to pass easy bills and dawdling on social issues when Americans are demanding action on jobs.

Now here’s Scott Walker convincing himself that he’s Wisconsin’s very own “little Mubarak” and can send his secret police to round up political opponents. Tea Party…FAIL.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org

“A$$wipe”
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See 9.7, drunken lunatic.

There’s more than a few financial types among my neighbors, members of my church, school mates etc. (I don’t like the term “Wall St.” because, well, as someone who works a couple blocks away, I am keenly aware that hardly any of the firms are on Wall St. anymore.). By and large, they agree that there was a lot of egregious and irresponsible behavior during that 2005-2007 boomlet. Most of them generally take the position that it was the actions of a relatively small percentage of people that brought down the likes of Lehmean brothers and Bear Stearns and, by and large, they are probably right. They do not see the (quite gentle) chastisement of Obama as being inapproriate (although they don’t love it either) and most of them expect to vote for Obama in 2012, albeit without a lot of fervor. The reckless chaos of the Tea Party idiots (like, frankly, freep) is far scarier to them than any regulation from Dodd/Frank.

As for freep’s statement that union leaders are as well compensated as financial barons, well, that’s an ignorant statement even by his standards.

As we asked Freeinpa when he posted it. Who did it? He seemed to know, you do too? Maybe you should call the police and let them know. The sooner we can get the DB in jail the better.

Republicans are, by and large, incapable of objectively analyzing political movements. That is, they have an agenda. So they spin all political analysis in the service of the agenda. While this has short-term political benefits for Republicans, it also leaves them vulnerable to completely misreading sweeping political tides.

For example, the Republican view of F.D.R. was that he was a communist sympathizer. In reality, F.D.R. viewed his administration as a liberal bulwark against an undesirable communist movement.

That is, F.D.R. understood that extremism breeds extremism. The extreme policies pushed by anti-labor corporatists from the gilded age through the 1920′s so undermined the American economy and the middle class that people started to look to extreme solutions — like communism — to solve their problems.

F.D.R. also understood that a liberal properly-regulated capitalist economy would put people back to work, grow the economy, and turn people away from extremism.

The irony is that the success of unions and liberal economic policies bred contempt for the same. People started to take the benefits of unions and liberal policies for granted and, after a number of decades, unions, proper regulations, and progressive taxation became viewed as the enemies of success rather than the engines of success.

However, as the pendulum has swung fully the other way, back to a lawless second gilded age, America may again see the rise of unhealthy extreme elements on the left, including support for communist-like policies.

But, again, what should be clear is that extremism breeds extremism. Extreme corporatism is the gateway to communism, not liberalism. When liberal policies are allowed to be implemented, the middle class grows and people have no desire for government-interventionist policies. It is only when extreme corporatism drives the middle class into poverty that extreme reactive policies grow in popularity.

Ironically, the time to request reasonable reforms of union bargaining rights is when the economy is doing well and unions look greedy. But when the economy is in the crapper, playing hardball with middle class government workers and threatening massive layoffs is only going to grow public support for unions.

Regardless of how you feel about unions that represent government workers, it is clear that they did not cause the current economic crisis and should not be scapegoated by states in order to make up budgetary shortfalls.

Next he will rant about us calling him names.

c’mon rusty– it’s all for the children- just ask grape nuts.

In Pennsbury they average salary is $83,294. The teachers contribute 7-10% for benefits (private sector averages 25-40%) and now they want a 4.6% salary increase when inflation runs around 1%. And average home price is $206,000 and median is $185,000. ANd real estate taxes are $4,272 (average) while average salary for those who work to pay those teachers $40-50K

Remember: For the children

I remember someone had a stand set-up in front of my post office, must have been June-July ’09, with a picture of Obama in Hitler mustache and uniform, under the words “Impeach Obama”. I remember thinking: “He’s held office for three months, wtf”.

One simple question.
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What is the one, most pressing problem that States are having to meet their budget obligations? To balance their budgets going forward?

I do believe freeinpa that you need to look at the context i.e. alternatives. Bankruptcy wouldn’t have helped anybody either now would it?

Forced To Attend Wisconsin Protest Rallies – Students Speak Out

“Republicans are, by and large, incapable of objectively analyzing political movements.”
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Your first line is at best incomplete if not exactly wrong.
The rest is revisionist history that the left jogs out form time to time to try and justify an overbearing government with problems mainly attribued to their own policies.

Here is the happy talk form the left after the 2008 elections. Talk about incapable of objectively analyzing…

The GOP is facing a tsunami of demographic change that will make it the minority party for the next 40 years.

May 2009

Thanks. A week or so ago security forces set upon protesters in Yemen with batons too..
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Difference is, these are our authoritarian regimes. Our invasions and occupations were loudly justified, both officially and popularly, as the march of Democracy. Now, those same individuals are willing to accept brutality in order to suppress it.

Mob Of Leftist Attack Dogs Descend on Speaker Bohner’s Home
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pintortwo, I had forgotten about it, but the same thing happened at my post office. When I got home I called the postmaster to complain. I was told that they had permission to have a table there, but were not allowed to approach people coming into the building. They were only there that one day, but I have never seen any other group there in the fifteen years the post office has been built.

Bahrain is both the lead stroy on the front page of the New york Times today and the subject of a great op-ed by the incomparable Nicholas Kristof (“Blood runs Through the Street of Bahrein”). si it is hardly being ignored. Perhaps someone with more time and capability than I have can provide a link. It’s a tough issue – we are in deeper with Bahreini government than even the Egyptian (home of the Fifth Fleet, don’t you know) and in thei s case, the depth of the unhappiness and the ferocity of the government’s response appears to have taken everyone by surprise. It will be a subject that I, for one, am going to be following with special interest.

Joe Klein, your editor is on Line One!!

More jobs and economic growth. You can’t have economic growth if you lay off more people. And less tax income won’t exactly help either.

More On OFA – Organizing For America – “Un-leash the Kracken”
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Building on the momentum in Wisconsin, OFA has also started to mobilize its army of followers in Ohio and Indiana where measures similar to Gov. Walker’s are taking shape.
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On Thursday, an estimated crowd of more than 1,000 descended on the Ohio statehouse in Columbus to march in favor of state workers’ collective-bargaining privileges. According to one report from the Huffington Post, organizing efforts in Ohio are “about a week behind that in Wisconsin.”
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A DNC staffer told The Huffington Post that the group upped its efforts in Wisconsin after Chairman Tim Kaine spoke with local legislators last week. OFA then began organizing turnout for Thursday’s statehouse rally and running phone banks in Ohio targeting state senators, which are slated to continue next week. This weekend, organizers have set up door-to-door canvassing in key districts that they hope will likewise put pressure on swing lawmakers.
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OFA National Deputy Director Jeremy Bird said volunteers first alerted the group to the contested Ohio legislation. “The energy is pretty remarkable,” he told The Huffington Post. “People started to contact us, and they’d call our office and our volunteers, and say, ‘This is a big deal. This is going to affect my family.’ … That started to really simmer earlier this week in Ohio, and it’s starting to pick up the pace.”
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In Ohio, major labor unions including AFSCME and the AFL-CIO are also stepping up the pressure against Gov. John Kasich (R) and the bill’s supporters. The AFL-CIO estimated that tens of thousands of phone calls, emails and handwritten postcards have been delivered to state senators in opposition to the legislation, and a spokesman said the protests will continue in the coming weeks.

“it is clear that they did not cause the current economic crisis and should not be scapegoated by states in order to make up budgetary shortfalls.”
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Either did the nearly 20% un- or under-employed. Or the people who have seen their taxes go up food prices go up and possibly not received a salary increase in 2 years. Yet they are supposed to quietly just pay more taxes to feed a bureaucratic pig (education system) that is producing inferior results. They should be made to pay, right. Oh let’s fall back on that tried (and failed) tactic “tax the rich”. which is the one size fits all for every liberal policy failure

Ain’t real democracy awesome? Oxygen tank tea party should be proud.

One little fact you are missing hippo. No one or the bill in Wisconsin is asking for anyone to lose their job. What they are asking for is the out of control pension and benefits that Teachers and Government Workers receive free of any contribution from them what-so-ever, be changed so that they now contribute to their own benefits and pensions.
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The highest amount I have seen is 7 percent.
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Take your lies and go back to Huffington Post where someone might agree with you.

“Ironically, the time to request reasonable reforms of union bargaining rights is when the economy is doing well and unions look greedy”
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Seriously, did you think or even read what you said. When the economic is going along the cry is they can afford it and its the corporation or school board who is greedy and uncaring. And what is the incentive when demand is high to negotiate away anything? None. People can now see how their financial future has been mortgaged by excessive salaries and benefits that politicians passed on without regard but to be re-elected.

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This is the same lame reasoning we have heard from Social Security and Medicare which have now the same deficit hanging over. Plain and simple any country cannot pay out an ever increasing portion of its national income to entitlements and expect to stay solvent.

Except for this being the blaze, this is the only thing worth reading from your link and it embodies just how out of touch you and the rest of your ideologue tribe is.

“Max jones
Posted on February 18, 2011 at 9:42am
The tide has been turning, as more and more American patriots get informed, and active, so Obama and Co. put the old “bottom-up” into action. But, note that what is happening is happening all over the muslim world, too. Coincidence? Not to a die hard conspiracy realist like myself.
The evil genius( There is probably more than one evil genius, but I don’t know the plural form ), behind the scenes, has tools that normal people don’t have, and one of these tools is “Global reach”. And it looks like supernturally good timing, too.
The alliance of the left and the muslim fringe, that Beck has been talking about is at work here.
For years the country has been in a clash of cultures, and it comes down to this….The culture of death, identified by liberal social politics and hedonistic lifestyles, and the conservative, family oriented. and pro-life. Since this clash (war) IS the one true battle, It makes perfect sense that foreign sects of the death cult are made for each other. There being ten kings running the show and 4 basic principalities, making the rules, it looks like they are going to have to share with each other.”
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This is the reasonable tea party.

President Crook??? Oh dear God.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/02/17/2072605/is-gov-scott-eyeing-white-house.html

“Bankruptcy wouldn’t have helped anybody either now would it?”
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We will never know will we. But bankruptcy proceedings are a series of negotiations between debtors and creditors and not by government degree (Obama). ANd of course he relied on all his years of business experience to decide this

-Pennsbury’s average salary ranked #7 out of 737 local education authorities.
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-Pennsbury’s average salary ranked #5 out of 501 regular public school districts.
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Just to put some context around Freep’s numbers.

Also,
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The average teacher salary in Pennsylvania is $59,815.

Mob Of Leftist Attack Dogs..
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There were about a dozen people holding American flags and two cops in the video.

square1, Ezra Klein has a column in today’s WaPo that makes your last paragraph point with additional facts.
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Whatever fiscal problems Wisconsin is — or is not — facing at the moment, they’re not caused by labor unions. That’s also true for New Jersey, for Ohio and for the other states. There was no sharp rise in collective bargaining in 2006 and 2007, no major reforms of the country’s labor laws, no dramatic change in how unions organize. And yet, state budgets collapsed. Revenues plummeted. Taxes had to go up, and spending had to go down, all across the country.

Blame the banks. Blame global capital flows. Blame lax regulation of Wall Street. Blame home buyers, or home sellers. But don’t blame the unions. Not for this recession. …

The Badger State was actually in pretty good shape. It was supposed to end this budget cycle with about $120 million in the bank. Instead, it’s facing a deficit. Why? I’ll let the state’s official fiscal scorekeeper explain (pdf):

More than half of the lower estimate ($117.2 million) is due to the impact of Special Session Senate Bill 2 (health savings accounts), Assembly Bill 3 (tax deductions/credits for relocated businesses), and Assembly Bill 7 (tax exclusion for new employees).

In English: The governor signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues. The new legislation was not offset, and it turned a surplus into a deficit. As Brian Beutler writes, “public workers are being asked to pick up the tab for this agenda.”

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He concludes by discussing the fact that simply reforming benefits would not be a problem, but Scott is trying to do much more than that by eliminating their right to bargain. From the report he shows the number of private sector employees and the number of public employees anticipated in the next couple of years. Any recovery gains in the private sector will be offset by losses in the public sector, thereby ensuring there will still be an unemployment problem for the next election.
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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2011/02/unions_arent_to_blame_for_wisc.html
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“And… no one has an issue with “Wall St, Oil Companies, Health Care companies” making money and hiring people. I like capitalism, I want them to be very profitable.”
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Why does one have to suspend belief in reality for any liberal argument here. The entire past 2 years has been about there profits how excessive they were and how they needed to pay more. HC insurance companies were called greedy with a 3.5% profit margin by Obama, the liberals in Comgress, the MSM and here.
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“these cos to pay for laws that give them an unfair advantage.”
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Yes the unions don’t pay for anything do they. That explains the all of the labor actions by the Obama administration labor hack Becker to be pro corp. The biggest lie is still what liberal still themselves.
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“Either did the nearly 20% un- or under-employed. Or the people who have seen their taxes go up food prices go up and possibly not received a salary increase in 2 years. Yet they are supposed to quietly just pay more taxes to feed a bureaucratic pig (education system) that is producing inferior results. They should be made to pay, right. Oh let’s fall back on that tried (and failed) tactic “tax the rich”. which is the one size fits all for every liberal policy failure”
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So instead of the employees taking that up with employers you suggest they should attack people who organize to make sure they’re not getting squeezed? In other words, never ask others to do the right thing; just make sure everyone is doing equally sh!tty.
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Great solution, the low bar is not to ensure that everyone is in the sh!tter because heaven forbid we have a strong middle class in this country.
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Austerity is only for every else but the ones who can pay for it without even notice.

“Pennsbury’s average salary ranked #7 out of 737 local education authorities.
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-Pennsbury’s average salary ranked #5 out of 501 regular public school districts.”
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And they are still whining about more money. And we all should feel sorry about these poor creatures as they continue to hold up the taxpayer

Just occurred to me…
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If free is being paid “per post” for his efforts here on behalf of the GOP/TP, he should be about 3 months ahead on his rent by now.

And Rusty should be well on his way to “topping off” (or at least maintaining levels in) the “beverage” cabinet.

“One leading Democrat – Obama was his name, as we recall – put it well after winning the White House in 2008: “Elections have consequences,” he told Republicans at the time. Indeed they do. The Democrats’ childish prank mocks the democratic process.”

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Absolutely, get back to work or let the Gov FIRE them all. I am sure there are a whole host of newly educated Teachers to step right into their place.
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http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/116434554.html
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Get back to work you BUMS

Methinks megalomania is its own inspiration.
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Like the Donald, I doubt this a$$clown needs anyone else’s opinion to think extremely highly of himself.

“One little fact you are missing hippo. No one or the bill in Wisconsin is asking for anyone to lose their job. What they are asking for is the out of control pension and benefits that Teachers and Government Workers receive free of any contribution from them what-so-ever, be changed so that they now contribute to their own benefits and pensions.
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The highest amount I have seen is 7 percent.
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Take your lies and go back to Huffington Post where someone might agree with you.”
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So it’s a lie that states are laying off workers to bridge budget shortfalls across this country?
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I don’t read huffpo.I don’t need to degrade my capability to think for myself like you do with the blaze and whatever else garbage you listen to and read. This event in Wisconsin is just another assault on the middle class and especially public workers.
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Across the states you see states dealing with the problems by slashing into public workers just to increase the revenue shortfall with every single one fired. Instead of looking at the real culprit – job growth. I understand balancing budgets, I’m all for it. But your tribes 1 shoe fits all is to destroy the middle class for that moment when suddenly big business will just shower the nation with new fresh jobs. Just cut enough taxes, destroy enough greedy middle class and all the good jobs will come back.
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Face it. Outside the narrow scope of your hate and fear of every little buzz word you have, there’s not one single idea amongst the lot of tribal righties that don’t start and end with tax cut. Everything else is a assault on working people for depressed wages. That’s it.
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My response is simple; stop spending time on making sure every single person does as sh!tty as the worst out there and find time to actually work on ideas that will create new jobs.
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So far your response is destroy middle class, remove any infrastructure investments and do what we’ve always done, tax cuts and outsourcing. Not one single idea outside the continued assault on the middle class in favor for the very few elite.

“So instead of the employees taking that up with employers you suggest they should attack people who organize to make sure they’re not getting squeezed?”
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I love the “money for nothing- chicks for free” attitude of the left.

Salaries and benefits no matter what happens should go up and up. Take a look around that’s why manufacturing left, call centers went to India and other jobs gone off shore
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“”public workers are being asked to pick up the tab for this agenda.”
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and the taxpayer is being asked to pick the tab for evry liberal agenda. So its obvious he is ok with one but why not the other. When do liberals ht enough? When the entire country is bankrupt? And I saw nearly the same article almost word for word (I am trying to find it) that Skateboard Klein wrote. Its always nice to hear expert advice fro someone who has never held a job outside of telling everyone else how to live their life.

Mob Of Leftist Attack Dogs Descend on Governor’s Bald Head.
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Hmmmmm….

Free, I’ve never argued that their profit margins are too high, I don’t remember anyone here making that argument. I have made/seen complaints that they shouldn’t get tax and other advantages over small companies and they shouldn’t have such intimate contact with lawmakers and foreign diplomats (well beyond any reasonable interpretation of their lobbies’ right to petition).
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Feel free to complain about unions and their influence over the pols (Dems). I personally don’t feel it is the same nor that it results in the same level of corrupted law and policy.

“Off with the heads….” as they shout at the Prince and Camilla. Off with their heads…..as the leftist in America shout out for more taxes to be paid by the rich.
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You mean the less than 3% in America who have some money?
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The Bush Tax Cut bullcrap is nothing more. Spending is totally and has been for a LONG LONG time out of control in this country. Spending on Teacher and Government workers salaries and benefits. Benefits and pensions which they pay absolutely NOTHING into as a contribution.
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Off with their heads alright. Better yet, fire their A$$es and put some people in their jobs who can appreciate a good thing when they have it.

“This is the reasonable tea party”
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Thank God there aren’t any unreasonable leftist groups

In a genuine Chapter 11 bankruptcy, these three groups of creditors would all be similarly situated — because all three are, for the most part, unsecured creditors of GM. And yet according to the formula presented Monday, those with the largest claim — the bondholders — get the smallest piece of the restructured company by a huge margin.
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GM, the government and the bondholders all insist that a bankruptcy filing would be a disaster. GM’s SEC filing on the debt-equity swap also warns darkly that if the requisite 90% of bondholders don’t agree to these terms, they may recover little or nothing in bankruptcy court.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124105303238271343.html
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Freak, it’s time to get off your soap box about the tragedy of bad investments.
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Moral hazard occurs when a party insulated from risk behaves differently than it would behave if it were fully exposed to the risk.

Moral hazard arises because an individual or institution does not take the full consequences and responsibilities of its actions, and therefore has a tendency to act less carefully than it otherwise would, leaving another party to hold some responsibility for the consequences of those actions. For example, a person with insurance against automobile theft may be less cautious about locking his or her car, because the negative consequences of vehicle theft are (partially) the responsibility of the insurance company.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_hazard
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IOW, if the government made it our taxpayer responsibility to bail out all bad investments then reckless investing would become the norm as investors would take stupidly high risks and wait for the taxpayers to bail them out.
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Topic of GM bond holders over.
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Dumb investors got the shaft for being dumb.

“So it’s a lie that states are laying off workers to bridge budget shortfalls across this country?
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I don’t read huffpo”
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I would say the first statement may be as accurate in that all these workers are absolutely vital and there are no inefficiencies.
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You don’t read Huffpo (or so claim) yet can parrot those left wing talking points without missing a beat.

Show your sources, cite them. Show us where “Across the states you see states dealing with the problems by slashing into public workers just to increase the revenue shortfall with every single one fired.”
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Come on do it hippo. I would love to read about all of the firings going on State after State across America of Teachers and Government workers.

“I love the “money for nothing- chicks for free” attitude of the left.

Salaries and benefits no matter what happens should go up and up. Take a look around that’s why manufacturing left, call centers went to India and other jobs gone off shore”
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“”"public workers are being asked to pick up the tab for this agenda.”
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What a bunch of bullcr@p. Again, why should a poorly treated employee not take it up with a employer instead of attacking another employee that’s doing better?
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Seems like your sole concern is that you don’t want to pay for the mess your tribe helped create and instead of you asking your fellow rich people to create all those jobs you promised for the tax cuts, you want the rest of America to do as sh!tty as possible to pay for the party.
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Sounds awesomesauce.

“Dumb investors got the shaft for being dumb”

Seems those same dumb investors in Ford didn’t have to worry about that did they. Oh right they didn’t have to deal with the Imperial Obama.

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But you above statement explains the lot ahead for the American taxpayer. Taxpayers got screwed then. Now they are standing up and the left in every statehouse is whining

You got to stop taxpaying one handed

“Show your sources, cite them. Show us where “Across the states you see states dealing with the problems by slashing into public workers just to increase the revenue shortfall with every single one fired.”
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Come on do it hippo. I would love to read about all of the firings going on State after State across America of Teachers and Government workers.”
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Huh?
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What the frack…you can’t read news papers?

“”So it’s a lie that states are laying off workers to bridge budget shortfalls across this country?
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I don’t read huffpo”
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I would say the first statement may be as accurate in that all these workers are absolutely vital and there are no inefficiencies.
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You don’t read Huffpo (or so claim) yet can parrot those left wing talking points without missing a beat.”
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Never said that states are not laying off workers because they’re not absolutely vital, but in this case they’re doing it mostly to bridge budget shortfalls. I’m sure you will have to look hard were I said I didn’t think they should or not. Some are needed, some are not.
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I don’t read huffpo. I don’t have a need to lie about a simple thing like that.
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I’m not you.

“Not a word. Not one syllable on the vile, disgusting rants by the leftist-Socialist-Communist Teachers Unions from our esteemed lame stream media.”
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There, absolutely has been one word said.
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It is photoshopped .
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All of the pictures are brighter than the background.
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I bet a professional photographer would find ten or twenty different ways to prove that the signs are a right wing fraud and absolutely not what any teacher is carrying right now.
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But wherever there’s a fraud to pull people suckers off to the right, Rusty will be there, skipping down the garden path.

“Thank God there aren’t any unreasonable leftist groups”
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Captain Obvious, who said there aren’t?

“Free, I’ve never argued that their profit margins are too high, I don’t remember anyone here making that argument”
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That’s sounds like purposeful forgetfulness. How can they be called greedy if the left didn’t condemning their PMs
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“I personally don’t feel it is the same nor that it results in the same level of corrupted law and policy.”

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Sorry at best this is lame and outright disingenuous. You have been one on the left that offered reasonable arguments. I may not have agreed but at least they were real. These are just lame and silly

“Captain Obvious, who said there aren’t?”
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Since you never complain about them you must approve of what they say or believe they don’t exist. Or do you think they aren’t a problem because your philosophy mirrors them?

“Taxpayers got screwed then. Now they are standing up and the left in every statehouse is whining.”
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First you are saying that it is okay for the taxpayers to get screwed by the rich since they, according to you get screwed by the poor.
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If somebody rapes your daughter, I guess, as far as you are concerned, you just unlock the door for the second rapist to come in since she already got raped once.
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I don’t think that way.
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Second you have a warped concept of what the government does and, therefore, have a warped concept of what getting screwed is.
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Teachers teaching your children – not screwed.
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Police protecting you and your family – not screwed.
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Mortgage broker lying to you about terms of your mortgage and convincing you that you can afford a home you, actually, can not afford – screwed and screwed hard.
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Stuck with covering the the costs of holding together a car company acting as if they were committed to do everything in their power to only make cars which nobody wants to drive so that the cascading effect of job losses don’t ruin your community and your business – screwed.
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Of course, for you, you feel sorry for the banks who lent money to people who couldn’t pay it back rather than the people who put their own money into homes and are screwed.

Paid by no one. Its easy to write a lot when you pointing out the stupidity of left. In fact I run out of day before I run out of left stupidity to post.

“ditched their civic manners. Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada accused the protesters of trying to “sabotage” the democratic process.”
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Do you think Dingy Harry will say the same about the AWOL teachers in Wisconsin?

“What the frack…you can’t read news papers?”
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The Clown Prince of Evidence this is what you offer?

“why should a poorly treated employee not take it up with a employer instead of attacking another employee that’s doing better:”
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First it was a non-answer. Second isn’t that exactly what the eft does with its “fairness”crap – attack another employee who is doing better/

Nice job Hippocrit!

“Sorry at best this is lame and outright disingenuous.”
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Definition of GREED
: a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is needed

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This does not say that the amount of profit is too high.
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For example, nobody hates the founders of Google, Steve Jobs or people who make huge profits from selling really cool stuff people love.
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It’s when companies use the government for cushy defense contracts where quality is job #101, gets a tax loophole made for them so that they can put additional money into the profit category which used to go into taxes, makes money by ruining thousands of other private for profit businesses by spilling oil into the Gulf – with no way of knowing how many animals and birds may be driven towards extinction that people who love America call this corporate greed.
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As a a liberal, I say, so long as your product is not doing harm, and, better yet, it is something I really like, if you can do so without buying my government out from under me go ahead and make 20%, 30%… 95% profit.
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I just don’t want my government bought from me and turned into an organization of large corporations.

Rick Barry, a tea party member from Akron, said of public unions: “Their benefits are so much better than mine and their pay is so much better than mine…”
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Then get off your lazy ass and start unionizing and stop crying!
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Remember the 1930s and 1940s communists in the history books?
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They used to do the same with private, for profit businesses demanding that CEOs earn less.
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Now the Tea Party has taken the politics of jealousy from the extreme left to the extreme right.
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(The power of marketing never fails to amaze me.)

A right wing religious extremist is Afguy’s type.
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How about your type, Rusty?

“but in this case they’re doing it mostly to bridge budget shortfalls”
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Imagine that, just like real companies do when they have revenue shortfalls. Instead of taxing over burdened taxpayer they cut and adjust work roles. Reality is a foreign concept to the left isn’t it!

“First it was a non-answer. Second isn’t that exactly what the eft does with its “fairness”crap – attack another employee who is doing better/

Nice job Hippocrit!”
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Non answer? because I didn’t chase your squirrel? Hippocrit huh? Seems to be your level of ‘cleverness’.

“Imagine that, just like real companies do when they have revenue shortfalls. Instead of taxing over burdened taxpayer they cut and adjust work roles. Reality is a foreign concept to the left isn’t it!”
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And reading comprehension is yours. One day you will actually show any claims where I wrote that they shouldn’t. You’re always fighting those pretend giants aren’t you?

Do you have even the slightest idea what net neutrality is ?
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I presume not.
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If so, please explain why it is to in your best interest that that you – Rusty – will have more trouble posting on Swampland since WordPress is very unlikely to pay the extra fees?
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I can tell you why it is in Swampland’s best interest that you and you alone do not post, but….

were called greedy with a 3.5% profit margin

So the insurance companies are not greedy, but the “overpaid” teachers are?

“The Clown Prince of Evidence this is what you offer?”
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You are a disaster of logical hoot. You spent 3 other posts about states and bridging shortfalls such as 33.1 exchange and page 1. And then you question my information with your regular pathetic snark in this post. Oh man, you take the cake in trollery. So what is it, do states bridge the shortfall in revenue by laying off workers in order to balance budget or am I lying and won’t provide any proof of it? Or are you just waiting for the shortbuss to logic candy land and want to have it both ways.
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Never mind, go back to making up clever names based on my ID, or better yet. Ask me again if Hippo has something to do with my bodyweight..
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And you write that we here test positive for stupid all the time.
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Thanks for the laugh, eventhough I don’t like laughing at people selfinflicting themselves.

Patrick, two things:
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1) Please stop with the bolding. Its worse than if you were using all caps in those places. All I associate it (and random, all-caps words) is yelling and nut jobs. If you want them to take you seriously, tone it down a bit. I believe JC said something similar the other day.
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2) I’ve given up any hope of the far right ever understanding what net neutrality actually is and how it would benefit them. Especially when you have people like RDW who flat out state that they don’t know what it is, don’t want to be bothered to educate themselves on it, but know it’s bad because it’s “regulation.”

Freak,
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People join unions so that they can afford to stay at their job rather than leave to pay the bills from doing something else.
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Hence, joke of the day: Freak, Rusty and Ilikeleadpaintchips walk into a bar, which is funny since they would all get pulled over for DWI before getting to the bar or get killed trying to drive while already so drunk.

You can be greedy with a 3.5% profit margin. Re HC cos: spending tens-of-million$ to essentially bribe officials, and the same for a favorable media narrative, rather than making a better product/service is greedy– especially when the overall health of the nation is at stake. But again, it is the pols’ fault for allowing this to happen.

Or they are never the topic of conversation, except when bandied about as red herrings (Soros anyone) by the reactionaries. Is it not possible that, unlike other posters, (such as RDW and his massive “audience” for Reagan and Bush 2) hippo sees no reason to bring up things that are completely off topic?
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Afterall, only to people like is the world completely black and white.

You mean like HC companies [who just got handed billions of dollars but the Romney/Dole/Nixon health care plan? right, attacking this very right wing reform would be a bad ideas], oil companies[who get billions in tax credits every year, but have replied by ruining other people's jobs in the Gulf by negligence - that might be a counterexample] , banks, Wall St.[who privatize profit and socialize losses so that tax payers pay for their stupid mistakes]? Seems the left never has trouble attacking paying them [with tax dollars following the lead of the Republicans]. But you have no problem with people that are struggling that receive 30% less in salary and benefits than these people and have them pay more [far less] in taxes to support what can be politely called bloat and inefficiency [preserving our country].

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Damn! To freak, loved means anally raped and demonized means given billions of dollars.
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I hope I never get loved by the right and hope that, someday, I can be demonized by the right with billions of dollars.

“And reading comprehension is yours. One day you will actually show any claims where I wrote that they shouldn’t. You’re always fighting those pretend giants aren’t you?”
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No its pretend intelligence-yours. And you never say they should not. Instead you put up windmills to tilt at as to the problem other than adjusting the budget through layoffs.
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“Across the states you see states dealing with the problems by slashing into public workers just to increase the revenue shortfall with every single one fired. Instead of looking at the real culprit – job growth

Dang – I have been trying to train my dog (a beagle) to attack right wing bloggers, but he continues to be vulnerable to a “counterattack”" of an offered bacon strip or scratching him behind the ear. Nevertheless, my plan is to keep at it until he becomes a true left wing attack dog, following which I going to let him loose in Pennsylvania.

“Across the states you see states dealing with the problems by slashing into public workers just to increase the revenue shortfall with every single one fired. Instead of looking at the real culprit – job growth”
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Exactly – they only recipe right now is to fire workers. They’re not dealing with job growth and as they slash more they also get less revenue in and more mouths to feed.
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It’s basic stuff. Never mind my intelligence. When you get off the liberals are evil wagon you might even admit that this won’t work in the long run. Not anywhere did I say that they couldn’t.

“34.1″
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And after you go from questioning my ‘evidence’ you go back to talking about states laying off workers. You never miss a beat do you? It’s like you wrote, you’re only hear to bash ‘liberals’. No matter if you have to speak out of the side of your mouth doing it.

Recently, fifth graders at the Penn Valley Elementary School received a whole-story comprehension exercise.
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The reading exercise tells the story of a fictional eight-grade studentin Michigan who is “upset over the way our teachers are being treated.”
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“We don’t pay teachers enough for the very important job they are doing… Do school boards across honestly believe they will be able to lure one million of the best minds if they are offering meager salaries that are in decline?” says the reading assignment.

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“And they are still whining about more money.”
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Obviously you failed Geography, Freak.
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You are not near Michigan, which is what the reading assignment about.
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How To Corrupt Young Minds 101: Teach Philadelphia children to care about Michigan. Compassion kills, I guess.

“Since you never complain about them you must approve of what they say or believe they don’t exist. Or do you think they aren’t a problem because your philosophy mirrors them?”
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Then since you don’t complain about nuts on your side you must approve of them? Logic 101.
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If you see me approve of them, then that means I approve of them. It’s really not a hard thing to understand.
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Like you and birthers; I never accused you of being birther eventhough you didn’t comment on any of it until you did. You’re a birther because you approved of their agenda; not because those nuts are in your tribe. See how simple things are? You endorse it, then you’re it. You don’t – well then you’re not. Association by guilt is stupid.

But the real difference between buisnesses and government is that businesses can pick up and leave in response to an economic downturn. This week in New York, Borders has announced it is closing most of its stores, including the one up Broadway from my office. Borders has the right to leave its customers, like me, in the lurch if circumstances so dictate. I would like to think that even freep recognizes that the city of Phildelphia cannot simply shut down or outsource itself to India.
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In New York State, the Governor has made it clear to the public employee unions that they have to be part of a very complex set of responses to a deficit that has been developing for at least three decades. Which, for the most part, the unions are willing to contemp[late. What is unacceptable, and what should be unacceptable, is to attempt to relinquish collective bargaining altogher, as Walker is attempting to do in wisconsin. That is spoiling for a fight, and god bless him, he’s got one.

PS- I’m not the only one to click on afguy’s stuffpulledoutamyass link, right? I was intrigued.. freeanalfacts.. ?.. gotta click just to see.

I, also, had some morbid curiosity, but am glad to know that it doesn’t include a picture of Freak in pa’s butt.
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That would have cost me my lunch.

“Exactly – they only recipe right now is to fire workers. They’re not dealing with job growth and as they slash more they also get less revenue in and more mouths to feed.”
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let’s check that math. $46,000 teacher salary (average in Wisc) let’s ignore benefits for now. Taxes collected by the state $1,443.27 + 6.5% over $26,850 = 2,688.02.

Now the average unemployment insurance payment I am guessing is around $350/wk = $18,200. So instead of paying out $46K+ they pay out 18,200. Now the state has a pool of supposedly educated workers looking for a job that may attract employers while having a balanced budget at the same time. Taxpayers retain more of their own money to re-invest in the economy. Seems everything is addressed but for the whining teachers. Maybe they will learn the hard lessons the steel workers learned in the 1970-80s

“I love the “money for nothing- chicks for free” attitude of the left.”
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First, I don’t think that repairing roads, building and maintaining buildings, teaching, fighting crime and putting out fires and saving lives is nothing.
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Second, at least you admit that the women you are with charge you by the hour. Most of us get our “chicks” for free. It’s called not being a despicable, irritating pain in the ass, which helps you get an actual woman rather than one who charges by the hour. You should try not being a despicable pain in the ass. It does wonders for your sex life…. I mean if you want to have an actual partner.

“Non answer? because I didn’t chase your squirrel? Hippocrit huh? Seems to be your level of ‘cleverness”

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As opposed to your small furry animal fixation?
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With that logic you have got to be a devotee of Krugman. You follow the same logic. The answer to Monday is by reading his column
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“On Monday, New York Times columnist and Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman ironically asked his readers, “How can voters be so ill informed [sic]?”

Friday
“That’s why I say that Mr. Obama gets too little credit. He has done more to rein in long-run deficits than any previous president.” (The $1.5 trillion deficit and $14 trillion debt nothwithstanding)

“…..The culture of death, identified by liberal social politics and hedonistic lifestyles…”
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WTF?
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Where has this guy been?
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It’s small town America where people have nothing better to do than to go to church and swap wives. Nearly every self-identified liberal I have known is in or usually is in a committed long term relationship.

“With that logic you have got to be a devotee of Krugman. You follow the same logic. The answer to Monday is by reading his column”
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I really wonder that Krugmans comment about the deficit has to do with you stating that worse off employees should go after better off employees. Just wondering.

“Do you think Dingy Harry will say the same about the AWOL teachers in Wisconsin?:
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Vandals hit at least five Dem offices nationwide, threaten to ‘assassinate’ children of pro-reform lawmakers.
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Yesterday, ThinkProgress reported that several Democratic offices around the nation had been vandalized in the days surrounding the House health care vote. Vandals have struck the Tuscon office of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), the Monroe County Democratic Committee headquarters in upstate New York, Rep. Louise Slaughter’s (D-NY) Niagara Falls office, the Knox County Democratic headquarters in Ohio, and the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita, KS. The local Rochester ABC affiliate now has more information on the upstate NY vandalism, including an assassination threat against the children of lawmakers who voted for health reform:

No one was inside when the brick was hurled through the Democratic Patry Headquarters on University Avenue. Attached was a note quoting conservative Barry Goldwater: “Exremism [sic] in defense of liberty is no vice”. [...]
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[Rep. Louise] Slaughter has been at the center of the push for reform. Last Thursday she received a chilling recorded message at her campaign office. “Assassinate is the word they used…toward the children of lawmakers who voted yes.”

The FBI is now investigating.

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http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/23/slaughter-threats/
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I believe this kind of thing, threats, intimidation and vandalism and, of course, calling black congressmen “n-gger” is what he referred to rather than protesting while wearing silly costumes.

“1) Please stop with the bolding.”
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Okay.

So your answer to the job growth issue is that they can fire people to pay less un unemployment and have a pool of educated workers that can be sucked up by a private company?
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I understand why – it is cheaper in the short run to fire people but more expensive in the long haul. It still doesn’t adress job growth. In other words, you fire people, have to pay for their unemployment, the budget shortfall shrinks for a bit then increases as there is a revenue shortfall etc. But the biggest question here is what is done to actually grow the economy?

Maybe I’m missing something here, but how does firing teachers equate to tax payers retaining more of their money? Or are they firing teachers to cover a(nother) tax cut?

“Paid by no one. Its easy to write a lot when you pointing out the stupidity of left. In fact I run out of day before I run out of left stupidity to post.”
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You meant right stupidity?
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I’m sure you don’t want to be accused of posting left stupidity stuff.

You know, nobody noticed this from the article above:
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Caught up in that sweep, however, were 84,000 innocent domains, all of which were redirected to the imposing “seized for child porn” banner, which announced that “Advertisement, distribution, transportation, receipt, and possession of child pornography constitute federal crimes that carry penalties for first time offenders of up to 30 years in federal prison, a $250,000 fine, forfeiture and restitution.

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The far right is obsessed with any kind of moderation on a blog, but, things brought about by the PATRIOT Act, are authentically going against the actual First Amendment.
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Imagine the humiliation if your blog were listed like this?
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Obviously I am not saying that there is anything even slightly acceptable about actual child molesters. That is why it is incredibly offensive for the government to shut down a legal and ethical blog with a false allegation of such for the world to see.
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The right uses the constitution like a punchline.

So, far we have three right wing theories of economics.
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First, what should you do in case of job loss.
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Right wing answer: make sure that your neighbors and friends you used to see at the coffee shop are, also, unemployed so that you’ll see them on the unemployment line together, along with the coffee shop owner and his employees
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Secondhow do you create jobs?
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Right wing answer: cut taxes on people already employed so that they can nervously hide money in non interest bearing savings accounts and businesses can give their tax break as a bonus to the CEO.
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Third What causes the business cycle where businesses decide to layoff workers?
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Right wing answer: no matter how many customers and clients you have, if you open the newspaper or see on TV that the deficit is large, you stamp your feet and fire everybody in site
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Of course the, actual answers are:
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1) Increase government hiring to get some of your neighbors hired so that when your neighbors take their paychecks and spend them at private, for profit businesses, the businesses will be overwhelmed enough to need to hire you back again.
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2)Government hiring, see above.
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3) The debt may, in boom times create a crowding out of private investment when interest rates are too high or, when the debt is about fifty times government revenue, the interest on the debt would consume 100% of government revenue. We are experiencing neither of those things.
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4) When the economy improves and employment is high, to prevent unnecessarily high labor costs for private, for profit businesses the government should prevent the labor markets from overheating by decreasing the number of government employees and dampen an overheated economy by increasing taxes.
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From the right I see two things:
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A hatred of the American worker.
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Jealousy of private sector workers towards government employees.
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Pure mindless rage and no forethought.

WI teachers and other public workers do pay into their health care and pension plans. Walker wants to double the workers’ contributions. But the protests isn’t really about that, most of the protesters interviewed had said they can live with those increases. The protests is about Walker’s move to effectively bust up the public workers’ unions.

The entire past 2 years has been about there profits how excessive they were and how they needed to pay more. HC insurance companies were called greedy with a 3.5% profit margin by Obama, the liberals in Comgress, the MSM and here.

Freeper, you realize that it’s not the 3.5% profit margins that make HC insurance companies greedy, yes? It’s the massive salaries that they pay their executives, the enormous amount of $$ that the dump into political campaigns and, worst of all, the tremendously high overhead that they operate with, anywhere from 15-30%, that makes them greedy. Whether it’s greedy or not, I don’t care because it’s grossly inefficient and that’s the problem. Private companies are supposed to more efficient than the government but that’s not so when it comes to providing HC. All the money spent on administration and overhead, lobbying activities and underwriting is a gigantic waste and it does not occur in government-run HC plans, save for 2-3% for administrative costs. To keep stating your “point” is completely dishonest.

Another anti-public service unions governor showing his respect for the police. I believe he speaks for Joe Klein and other reactionaries:
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Gov. John Kasich calls police officer ‘idiot’ for giving him traffic ticket.

Also, think of the context:
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1) Somebody says that they want an amazing new computer to play video games on and the business says, “make it worth my while, a 15% profit margin.” Nobody minds.
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2) Somebody is lying on the ground gasping for breath, “help me get a doctor”. Response: “Okay make it worth my while, I need to make a profit from this.” That can be offensive.

I wonder if a Republican commits murder he expects police to consider him a ‘client’ by not arresting him.

Before NewRusty or freeper do one of their “so’s your old man” responses reminding us how President Obama criticized the Chicago police, I would like to say, I do remember. And, I remember how shocked, horrified and incensed the reactionaries were. Of course, he never called them idiots, he just quesioned their judgement on a particular issue.