Budget Amendments, Part III

“To think that we are here tonight debating this issue when the American people…are scratching their heads and wondering what does this have to do with me getting a job? What does this have to do with reducing the deficit? And the answer is nothing at all.”
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No, but it makes them heroes to the Tea Party. That’s all that matters, Congresswoman, didn’t you know that?

Time magazine: Jackie Speier is a virulent abortion enthusiast. Therefore, Speier and other abortion enthusiasts must be allowed to confiscate the property of members of the pro-America community and redistribute said property to the abortion lobby and abortion industry. That makes great sense, Time magazine!

As if you are pro-life. God you wouldn’t recognize humanity if it sat on you; you are dead.

nflfoghorn@1,
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A person in need of a job is hardly likely to lose any sleep over the loss of funding for Planned Parenthood. In fact, they may well be reassured that politicians are actually trying to stop the government’s hemorrhage of cash. What say you, foghorn?

allthings…@2.1,
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What is humane about the taking of innocent life?

Careful, paulie.
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This discussion could go WELL beyond just the abortion issue.
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Are you fully prepared to defend that statement in ALL circumstances?

Nothing. I do not support it. What is human about denying people decent wages , health care and, education?

responded to 2.2

afguy@2.3,
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Is that your answer, afguy? It would appear that you are ducking the question.

The internet thing is especially troubling to me. I do web design in my spare time, and basically this would allow internet providers to throttle service to my site/content if they think there’s other content they’d rather have users viewing.

It makes it especially hard for start ups to work in that kind of environment. Consider youtube, which handles millions of videos. How could they as a start up compete with cable companies throttling there videos because the videos take up bandwidth?

The reason we have so many internet revolutions is because all traffic is supposed to be treated the same way. Republicans and republican lackeys who view net neutrality as a government take over are delusional idiots. But we already know that, and this is unlikely to change their minds. Its just another example of Republicans stifling innovation in the name of lining their benefiter’s pockets.

We have seen with wikileaks what private enterprise can do to the internet. Censorship here it comes. What the GOP really want is Government control

Wonder why Comcast is so supportive of this?
/snark

allthings…@3,
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On abortion we can agree. It is not humane. It is evil.
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Exactly who is being denied decent wages, health care and education? Certainly not public sector workers. Their pay and benefits exceed those in the private sector. Is it too much to ask that they make some concessions in hard times?

I say you’re nuts.

You are kidding me right? You deny that economic, educational, and health conditions have no impact on abortions? I wasn’t aware that I was talking about public sector employees; so it is ok for non public sector employees? I am not sure where exactly you are coming from.

Is it too much to ask that they make some concessions in hard times?
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In WI, paulie, they already did, BEFORE Walker took office.
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What he’s trying to do now has nothing to do with the budget deficit. (Which, incidentally, he caused with new spending right after taking office)

So many men are so supportive of “innocent life.” I went out with one some years ago. He even wore a fabric rose on his lapel to annoy me. Then one of his daughters lived abroad for a year and got pregnant by an “inappropriate” young man. My golly, she got an abortion when she got home. So much for life.

I suspect that if a daughter or sister were raped, some of that concern for innocence would disappear as well.

You note that the men who always want to make me follow their beliefs in regard to abortion are among the first to complain about government spending and want to cut it for all those unworthy people on welfare.

I am old enough to remember before Roe v. Wade. I remember a woman we knew dying from a botched abortion. I also remember an orphanage in the town in which I grew up. Is that where they want to take us back to?

Remember PP is a major funder of contraception for poor as well.

Before the rw on this site have a knee jerk reaction, consider the following:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/18/house-republicans-block-net-neutrality_n_824917.html

new “network neutrality” regulations.

The rules prohibit phone and cable companies from favoring or discriminating against Internet content and services, including online calling services like Skype and Web video services like Netflix that could compete with their core operations. The FCC’s three Democrats voted to adopt the regulations late last year over the opposition of the agency’s two Republicans.

The rules are already facing court challenges from Verizon Communications Inc. and Metro PCS Communications Inc. Republicans in both chambers of Congress have introduced legislation to try to repeal the rules outright.The new FCC rules require broadband providers to let subscribers access all legal online content, applications and services over their wired networks.

The rules do give providers flexibility to manage data on their systems to deal with network congestion and unwanted traffic, including spam, as long as they publicly disclose those practices. But they prohibit unreasonable network discrimination – a category that would likely include “paid prioritization,” which favors the broadband providers’ own traffic or the traffic of business partners that can pay extra.

I, personally, would not participate in that activity.
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Having said that, I don’t necessarily accept YOUR framing of when life begins. I am NOT Catholic, so I do not have to follow church proclamations and threats of with-holding communion. I think THAT’s something between each of us and our Maker.
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So, no, I don’t think that YOU should be telling me what I should and should NOT believe. And I definitely don’t support your authority to foist your personal religious beliefs on me personally or my family from a legal standpoint.
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Blowing away innocents in a foreign land to keep oil flowing to support my lifestyle is equally reprehensible.
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I want to hear you agree to THAT!

I do not believe in abortion, but your argument is the same that I make. It does little good to condemn someone when you are unwilling to help in any meaningful manner.
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I am not sure what the unforgivable sin is but, it has to be close to self-righteous.

“would likely include” isn’t good enough for me. And spam, while sometimes clear cut, is often largely subjective in nature.
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I can’t say I 100% support the FCC’s version of Net Nuetrality. As it is they’ve given way too much leeway in the mobile industry, but then again, the Mobile Industry has been screwing the pooch and minting money while doing it for the past 10 years…
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The only people who oppose Net Neutrality are those who would seek a way to adversely profit from being able to bend the rules in their favor.
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All of that said, there are some legitimate arguments about prioritizing traffic and being able to boost speeds for having done so. I don’t believe those decisions should be left in the hand of companies who have their hands in so many other pockets and fields. So I’m not all to concerned with the “we own the equipment we should be able to use it how we want.” argument. Yes, you won the equipment, but you’re providing a service to consumers and suppliers. Don’t be a d!ck.

A final note, I’m pretty sure this is all a gimmick to try and get Dems to shoot down the bill and call a stall in government. Reps are looking for yet another way to blame Dems for their actions…. And it won’t matter that its false. They’ve got puppets, remember?

It is ironic Ivy_B. Maybe they are looking to profitting from the coat hanger business? I to remember before Roe v Wade.
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The right fails to mention the womens’ health services offered by Planned Parenthood.
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Breast Cancer Screenings
Procedures to Prevent Cervical Cancer
Female Infertility
Menopause Assistance
Menstruation Assistance
Ovarian Cancer Pap Tests
HPV Tests
Pelvic Exam
Urinary Tract Infection (UTI) Treatment
Yeast Infection & Vaginitis Treatment
Birth Control Advice, Perscriptions
Treatment of STDs
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The theocrats wont be happy until women are denied birthcontrol, stay at home, barefoot and pregnant.
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As I said before, until the reactionary men on this site grow the needed organs to reproduce, I find their opinions unimportant.

paulie, let me ask YOU a question.
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Are you against abortion… or just the public funding of such?
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There’s a whale of a difference. One is a moral position, one is a purely economic one.
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Would you be willing to go to the wealthy factory owner’s house and tell him that his pregnant slutty daughter couldn’t have an abortion because you find it morally wrong?
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Or is it now OK because he’s not using public funding and can afford the procedure out of his own pocket?

One of many gimmicks. I think there were over 400 amendments to be voted on in the last few days.

I second that!

Another gimmick to trigger a shutdown and score points.
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They stuck repeal of HCR into the Budget Continuation to get the Senate to strip it or force Obama to veto the whole thing.
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The stupid is flowing freely right now in Washington.

The stupid is flowing freely right now in Washington.
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That concerns me; it maybe a case of dumb and dumber.

I was about to shut down my pc for the evening, but this tweet from Mark Knoller was too good not to share.

@markknoller At least we live in a country [where] the Dept of Defense can spend borrowed funds to sponsor NASCAR racers.

“wont be happy until women are denied birthcontrol, stay at home, barefoot and pregnant”
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That’s what puts pro-life Democrats in an uncomfortable position.
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I can’t in good conscience support a movement that is more interested in punishing Jezebels than life issues.
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This month I got my charitable tax forms. Catholic Charities and Sharing and Caring Hands. Trying to support women who are single mothers.
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So for those care to, flame away. I’m pretty sure my personal position offends both the left and right.
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(Reading that over that sounds a bit self-victimie. I don’t mean it that way but rather that there are a lot of people caught in between)

What sells me on the amorality of the GOP is their utter lack of reflection. Their complete inability to wrestle with difficult issues.

I have already posted that I mostly find anti-abortion activists to be phony moralists because they fail to denounce in vitro fertilization procedures that, by necessity, result in the destruction of fertilized eggs.

The other reason that I find them to be phony moralists is that they often oppose policies that would actually result in fewer unwanted pregnancies.

I would respect these activists if, for example, said: “We cannot support abortions, but we do recognize all of the good things that Planned Parenthood does. That includes reducing unwanted pregnancies by providing educational services and birth control. We don’t want those services to be cut even though we completely oppose abortion.”

But you don’t see that. Are there any Republicans that show even the slightest concern that, by defunding Planned Parenthood they would likely increase the numbers of unwanted pregnancies. Sure, SOME OF THEM would not ultimately be aborted, although some obviously still would. But are those Republicans even the slightest bit concerned about what would happen to the unwanted children that are delivered? I see no evidence of that.

The only morality that I see is the self-righteous morality of anti-sex crusaders who cannot bear that groups that they hate (generally minorities and the poor) will be engaging in pleasurable sexual acts without punishment.

“I say you’re nuts.”
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The left is flummoxed and left to ordinary name calling. All the vestibules of liberal orthodoxy ma be de-funded and the piggy bank to the DNC (Teachers unions) is going to find themselves trying to figure out what a job is that holds you responsible. All untenable to liberals

“Are you against abortion… or just the public funding of such?”
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I am against abortion but that is a personal decision that should be made by the mother and father. I also think it should not be publicly funded.

I concur, Paulie is a nut. Planned Parenthood does a heck of a lot more than provide abortion services. They also provide birth control pills, pap smears and mamograms to women; prostrate and other “male-related” tests; and immunizations to children. For some of the poor of this country, Planned Parenthood clinics is the only option for health care. And with unemployment at the level it is at, more and more people would have been going to these clinics. Defunding Planned Parenthood is just another way in which the Regressive Party is cutting the budget for the sake of saying they cut the budget. So long as they don’t have to touch defense and taxes aren’t raised, I don’t think the new “Regressive Party” cares who is negatively impacted by the cuts.

“You note that the men who always want to make me follow their beliefs in regard to abortion are among the first to complain about government spending and want to cut it for all those unworthy people on welfare”
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Everyone should follow their own beliefs —and pay for them!

Paul, I completely support your position and your contributions. I have always said the whole point is Choice. I wouldn’t think of interfering with a woman to had come to a decision to have her child and would be supportive. I don’t understand why others insist on limiting me from having a different choice if I had come to that.
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Personally one should support causes they believe in.
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I just don’t want others to limit my choice because my beliefs are different from theirs.

“They stuck repeal of HCR into the Budget Continuation to get the Senate to strip it or force Obama to veto the whole thing”
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And of course the high-minded Dumos never did this. How many nonsense spending amendments were added to defense bills under Bush? Its called the legislative process. Yeah it stinks and they all do it. Stop whining

@5.4 I did not mention public funding for abortions, I talked about funding for food and healthcare for children already born.
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want to cut it for all those unworthy people on welfare.
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In case that wasn’t clear.

“there are a lot of people caught in between”
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Yes there are. I do not believe that we can legislate our way out of this. There has to be some other way.

“I would respect these activists if, for example, said: “We cannot support abortions, but we do recognize all of the good things that Planned Parenthood does. That includes reducing unwanted pregnancies by providing educational services and birth control”
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And the evidence that it reduces unwanted pregnancies is what? What it gives in most cases is immature kids a false sense of security to have sex with multiple partners whenever. Usually followed by the lame excuse “well they are doing it anyway”.
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They claim its about choice. There are 3 choices: To have unprotected sex, to have sex with a partner that is unprotected and to have protected sex. The number of abortions, which BTW outnumbers the number killed by guns, is the fourth choice which really shows that Planned Parenthood may actually be failing in what they say they do.
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What is even more interesting in this choice is the woman can terminate without consent of the male. He has no choice. But if she decides to keep the child and he doesn’t want it he still is required to pay child support. Seems the screwing for a male continues long after his pants are back on.

“why others insist on limiting me from having a different choice if I had come to that.”
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See 8.1 there are multiple choices and the one who doesn’t get a choice is the male, he just gets the tab

“The only morality that I see is the self-righteous morality of anti-sex crusaders who cannot bear that groups that they hate (generally minorities and the poor) will be engaging in pleasurable sexual acts without punishment.”

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I think this is spot on. The motivation is more rooted in wanting to tell people what to do. Usually those people perceived as “different” or second class citizens. I.E. the poor, minorities, women.

And that’s why I rarely weigh into abortion threads.
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As allthings says there is no way to legislate our way out of it. Any further than we already have.
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And I’m not convinced that the professionals want it settled. Too good a fundraising/GOTV issue to have resolved.

“What sells me on the amorality of the GOP is their utter lack of reflection. Their complete inability to wrestle with difficult issues.”
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That’s because of their psychology. They are simply believing and doing what they are told by their right-wing authoritarian leaders – no reflection or wrestling allowed. There’s a reason why the wingnuts on this site (and everywhere else for that matter) parrot the exact same positions, using the exact same language, at the exact same as Rush Limbaugh. It’s almost fair to say that they have no choice, psychologically speaking.
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You really have to read this guy’s work if you want to understand what makes slobbering Republican base “think” and act the way they do:
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http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

Well put, free. I can agree with that position.
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paulie, unfortunately, seems to have lost his way from the restroom.

What lack of regulation and “free markets” can bring you:
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http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/state/pennsylvania/20110218_ap_pajudgeguiltyofracketeeringinkickbackcase.html
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Pa. judge guilty of racketeering in kickback case
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“SCRANTON, Pa. – A former juvenile court judge was convicted Friday of racketeering in a case that accused him of sending youth offenders to for-profit detention centers in exchange for millions of dollars in illicit payments from the builder and owner of the lockups.”
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Can any right winger here find the evil and condemn what free enterprise has caused in this case?

Not whining, free.
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“Disgusted” is a better word.

“Planned Parenthood does a heck of a lot more than provide abortion services.”

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They sure do erieangel. Glad you brought that up!!
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They have branched out into medical advisement for Pimps and the Pimps underaged prostitutes. Think it’s bad now. Glenn Beck just finished doing and entire hour on how PP has promoted sexual abuse of children, aiding and abetting pimps continue to prostitute 13, 14, and 15 year olds.
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How would you have liked it erieangel, if your 13 year old ran away from home and got into a prostitution ring? Then the pimp took your daughter to a Planned Parenthood Clinic, and the clinic didn’t try to get this under aged girl out of the hands of the pimp, but instead advised the pimp how he could keep his underage whore engaged in the business. My God you people are sick to support such an institution.
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gumOnShoe: I agree that the FCC regs are not perfect. But, I wont count on the providers not being d!cks.

You have a point Paul,

Just for you IvyB, something to “remember”.
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Paul,
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I weigh in because I firmly believe that Social Justice plays a part. One can not be anti – abortion and anti – Social justice.
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http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c2a3.htm#1928
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I know I post this link all the time, I keep hoping that somebody reads it.

…And in steps freeper to prove my point:

What it gives in most cases is immature kids a false sense of security to have sex with multiple partners whenever.
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They claim its about choice. There are 3 choices:
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Seems the screwing for a male continues long after his pants are back on.

First, as I said, freeper reveals what really bothers him: People having too much sex, with too many people, in a manner that he does not approve of. Incidentally, this is why Republicans oppose the HPV vaccine. Who could possibly oppose a vaccine for cancer? People who believe that you get HPV because you are a slut. If you “sleep around” you deserve to get cancer. Stay classy, GOP.
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Second, at first glance, freeper simply believes that sex is a choice and people should be held accountable for making wrong choices. But, like most Republicans, freeper’s goal isn’t to educate his fellow citizens and help them make informed, healthy decisions. He wants liberals/minorities/women/poor people to make bad decisions so that he can feel morally superior.
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Third, although freeper apparently believes that abortion is morally wrong and should never occur, he still manages to squeeze in some self-victimization that men are denied the “choice” of abortion.
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Isn’t that interesting? Even though, in freeper’s view, abortion is not an option, and even though he continues to harp on “personal responsibility,” a man who gets a woman pregnant and then is forced to pay child support is getting “screwed”.

Ivy_B: Isn’t the NASCAR thing absurd?
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Even more grimly absurd, the backers of the BAHRAIN F1 GRAND PRIX 2011 are threatening to withdraw the race unless protests under control. So, I gather their position is ratchet up the killing of protesters, please.
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Here is the American Bernie Ecclestone’s sensitive position:
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“I hope we don’t have to do anything. Let’s hope this all blows away. I’m more hopeful today than I was yesterday. In these parts there have always been skirmishes. Perhaps it’s a bit more than that.”

Later, having been appraised of the latest violence, Ecclestone backtracked considerably. “From what I’ve been told it’s a bit different to this morning because of this funeral that’s gone on which is what you would expect, I suppose.”
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The definition of an Ugly American.

Thanks for the link, shep.

Nope april2563, there is no defense of “evil” and we should all condemn this kind of fraudulent behavior, but I can provide this…..
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JUDGE HOPEFUL CIAVARELLA STRESSES COURT EXPERIENCE
Times Leader, The (Wilkes Barre, PA) – Friday, April 7, 1995
Author: JIM VAN NOSTRAND; Times Leader Staff Writer
WILKES-BARRE — Mark Ciavarella Jr . won’t need any on-the-job training to be a Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas judge, he said Thursday.
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Nineteen years as a local attorney and 132 trials, mostly civil cases, have given him the experience and temperament required to wear a judge’s robes, he said.
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“I believe I can make an impact and a difference,” Ciavarella told The Times Leader’s Editorial Board. “I’m not going to need someone to teach me to be a judge.”
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Ciavarella , 44, of Wilkes-Barre, is running against attorneys Joseph Giovannini, Joseph Yeager and Thomas Cometa for the seat now held by Luzerne County Judge Gifford Cappellini.
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The job pays more than $93,000 a year, counting recent cost-of-living increases. The term is 10 years.
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Cappellini will step down in December when he reaches the mandatory retirement age of 70. He can still serve as a senior judge.
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A registered Democrat , Ciavarella has cross-filed on the Democratic and Republican tickets for the May 16 primary. His opponents cross-filed as well.
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What say you now april my dear???

Newrusty: You are picturing a woman’s uterus. Stay out of it.

Preaching to the choir althings.
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So to speak.

NewRusty: I have no idea the party of choice of the Philly judge. That is hardly the point, except in your mind.

It is the point april dear. Your party is the party of big regulations and big government.
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The man is a registered Demonut, just like YOU.
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Just because he is a fraud, crook and any other noun you can give to someone “evil” as you say is no different than any other thief. It is not about the free market or anything to do with regulations. You could put a 1,000 regulations into place and it won’t stop people like Ciavarella committing FRAUD.

Shut up april2563, last I looked this is America. B*tch

Rusty, as I read your comment, both candidates cross-filed so that makes the Democrat bad but doesn’t make the Republican bad. Faulty logic, as usual!

It is obvious that the new House Republicans have annointed themselves as the American Taliban with the same hatred of women that their Afgamnistani and Iraqi counterparts have.

When are they going to push to outlaw Viagra totally, government paid or not? That would at least priove that they are just anti-women.

They may be religious but they are not the people who Jesus would want to be seen with and in fact, because of their adversion to people of any color, they would be the first to throw stones. As they all know Jesus was white with blue eyes and spoke English (King James’ version) as Ma Ferguson, former governor of Texas said.

Latest here in Florida is Rick Scott is ending a pill/mill monitoring bill. No concern that the problems of pill mills in this state are handing out addictive pills like candy and providing a place for people from other states to come here and get them. Done deal, passed legislation and he believes with the stroke of a pen, he can stop it.

It would appear that you are ducking the question.
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No, paulie, I answered it. We’re now at the four-hour mark since my reply.
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You didn’t by any chance slip out the back door to avoid paying the bill, did you?
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Having to come up with a description of your own convictions (without being told by others what you are supposed to believe) can be a real “bear”, can’t it?

Rusty, I mean this from the bottom of my heart…
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You truly are a disgusting piece of work.

“The right fails to mention the womens’ health services offered by Planned Parenthood.”
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Doesn’t ObamCare make Planned Parenthood obsolete?

“will be engaging in pleasurable sexual acts without punishment.”
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You mean without accountability or responsibility!

“Can any right winger here find the evil and condemn what free enterprise has caused in this case?”
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The evil is that he was another Democrat without any regard for the law following in the footsteps of Daniel J Flood and Kanjorski in the Wyoming Valley

Wow NewRusty: The b*tch remark explains everything. You really do hate assertive women. Or do you hate all women?

arttraveler: When Viagra came on the market I was working for a 3rd party health insurance pool for small businesses in CA. It was a state plan that offered health insurance in conjunction with the largest insurers.
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Originally, the insurers didn’t offer Viagra as part of their prescription coverage. Well, the calls and letters flowed into us and the carriers. Soon Viagra was available.
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One Friday evening i had a call from an insured who was unable to get his Viagra at the drugstore because the druggist could not confirm his coverage. The man was near hysteria. I called the druggist and asked him to give him enough pills to get him through the weekend until we could clear up the coverage issue. He agreed.
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I like to thnk he had a passionate weekend, no matter the gender of his partner.
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See, I have no desire to interfere with a man’s sexual activities or the medical assistance he might need.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/18/AR2011021803251.html?wpisrc=nl_natlalert
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Obama administration replaces controversial ‘conscience’ regulation for health-care workers
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The Health and Human Services Department eliminated nearly the entire rule put into effect by the administration of President George W. Bush during his final days in office that was widely interpreted as allowing such workers to opt out of a broad range of medical services, such as providing the emergency contraceptive Plan B, treating gay men and lesbians and prescribing birth control to single women.

“Wow NewRusty: The b*tch remark explains everything. You really do hate assertive women. Or do you hate all women?”

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No april2563, I love women. Take it as a compliment or a badge of honor I suppose for a libtard like you. It is just YOU who is a sniveling, conniving, whinny, b*tch.
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Feel better now?

Aw go easy on the ole gal New, she’s had a rough life filled with lots of loss. A tried and true liberal, been everywhere and done everything, but is now reduced to staring into a monitor, with swampland as her life. Sad. There’s something to that liberal gene stuff…

Nothing shows love for women like being a constant @ss to them. I’m thinking you love them, but they find you unattracive and loathsome. It’s alright. I’m guessing you pay for more sex than you get for free. Do us a favor tho when you pop the Viagra. Wear a condom. Both for your protection and theirs.
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2thirds – do you know how ironic it is that you’re commenting about apr’s posting habits to a guy who is as, or even more prolific posting here?
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I’m guessing things just falls out of your mouth before common sense catches it.

Right back atcha hip. But yours is obviously the bigger mouth.

“Right back atcha hip. But yours is obviously the bigger mouth.”
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What does that even really mean? Think please, if you’re going to insult me (or whatever you were trying to do) make it at least original and worthwile. See what I wrote about you and saying something before you think about it?

Referring to the fact that the bigger the mouth, the more that falls out of it. Next time I’ll type slower so that maybe you can comprehend. As far as who posts the most, I suppose Newf does so quite a bit, but his commentaries are at least interesting and make sense.
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Aper on the other hand (and you for that matter) spout the type of repititious leftwing drivel that can make a man vomit(or fall asleep). When reading your crap, even a couple of sentences is 2 too many. And yours and hers attempts at feigning elegance and decorum don’t fool a soul either. Condescending liberal drudgery, with as much hate injected as you accuse us of.
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Yeah they both post alot, but I guess it’s the quality of the content, not the quantity.

“Referring to the fact that the bigger the mouth, the more that falls out of it. Next time I’ll type slower so that maybe you can comprehend. As far as who posts the most, I suppose Newf does so quite a bit, but his commentaries are at least interesting and make sense.
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Aper on the other hand (and you for that matter) spout the type of repititious leftwing drivel that can make a man vomit(or fall asleep). When reading your crap, even a couple of sentences is 2 too many. And yours and hers attempts at feigning elegance and decorum don’t fool a soul either. Condescending liberal drudgery, with as much hate injected as you accuse us of.
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Yeah they both post alot, but I guess it’s the quality of the content, not the quantity.”
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Thanks for the reply. It’s funny how someone that pours so much venom over a women and others here complain about the condenscending liberals. I’m guessing you need to lie to yourself in order to feel good about being a perfect @ss. Not really my problem but funny nontheless.