Morning Must Reads: Baseline

Republicans should call Obama’s veto bluff. It ain’t gonna happen. This is not 1995 and the Republic is in peril due to the obscene spending levels of the last two years.

Back to the future.
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Democrat Connecticut governor reverts to the old Democrat policy of tax and spend while soft peddling any calls for public employees to make sacrifices.
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It will be interesting to compare his results to those of Gov Andrew Cuomo of NY

Given the failure of the recent tax cuts to create jobs, it amazes me that cutting costs is still the only alternative being considered for dealing with deficits. Avoiding the idea of tax increases has become cult like, as if it is some sort of universal maxim never to be questioned.

Derek@3,
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What recent tax cuts? There have been no tax cuts in years. What there has been is a wildly out of control spending spree under Obama.
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A 24% increase in discretionary spending in just 2 years and that does not include Obama’s $862 billion political slush fund.

I was referring to the extension of the Bush tax cuts that have robbed the government of billions in revenue.

Paulejb, it must be really nice in your dreamland. I know you must be there because you must have been asleep during 2000-2008 and not have been paying much attention from then on either.

30% of the by you (and some other commenters) so loathed stimulus was tax relief. I know this is a shocker so by all means do go back to dreamland since your system cannot really cope with reality….

Well Paul this is not completely true.

In 2009

Obama kicked off his tax cuts for workers with the economic stimulus, formally known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. He asked for tax cuts of $500 per worker per year; Congress agreed to $400. The tax cuts — called Making Work Pay — were implemented in early 2009 and people saw small increases in their paychecks.

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But as part of last fall’s tax compromise with Republicans, Obama won a different type of tax cut for workers: a 2 percent reduction in payroll taxes that go to Social Security.

Keep in mind that normally workers pay 6.2 percent in payroll taxes on up to $106,800 of their earnings. (Employers pay another 6.2 percent, while the self-employed are generally on the hook for the full 12.4 percent.) The new tax cut means workers will pay only 4.2 percent of their earnings. So that lowered taxes for workers.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/07/barack-obama/barack-obama-said-he-lowered-taxes-over-past-two-y/

“I was referring to the extension of the Bush tax cuts that have robbed the government of billions in revenue”
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I think for any one to be robbed, that person or entity needs to be the legal owner of the property. ITS THE TAXPAYERS MONEY!

“Obama won a different type of tax cut for workers: a 2 percent reduction in payroll taxes that go to Social Security.”
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Obama won? Prior to the 2010 elections the Imperial Democratic Congress turned down this request that the Republicans made in the initial stimulus package. Isn’t it amazing how they got religion after losing an election?

Ah, ah, ah….but, but, but….
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“I was referring to the extension of the Bush tax cuts that have robbed the government of billions in revenue.”

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Wouldn’t the best question be why hasn’t over 1 trillion in stimulus spending created jobs? Why do we see the unemployment rate still at historical highs despite all of the assurances from this Administration that unemployment with the stimulus, would keep unemployment down below 8%?
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Those are questions which still have not been answered by the Administration, and when the House Committee with oversight on this calls those to Washington to testify, they are no longer to be found. Why is that?
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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/gop-congressman-proposing-end-stimulus-s

robbert5@1.1.

The so called tax relief was limited to 2 years of tax givebacks that amounted to about 13 dollars a week in 2009 and $7.70 per week in 2010. Not exactly something anyone could have pinned their future plans on.

Derek@3.2,
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You need to be more precise in your language. There was no tax cut. There was a delay in tax increases for two years. Employees and businesses still have those hanging over their heads for 2013.

“I think for any one to be robbed, that person or entity needs to be the legal owner of the property. ITS THE TAXPAYERS MONEY!”
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Some people believe in contributing their fair share to the expense of running a country, others don’t.

“Wouldn’t the best question be why hasn’t over 1 trillion in stimulus spending created jobs? Why do we see the unemployment rate still at historical highs despite all of the assurances from this Administration that unemployment with the stimulus, would keep unemployment down below 8%?”
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The general consensus is the stimulus saved millions of jobs, especially at the state level, and prevented a new depression. However, it was not large enough, especially where infrastructure spending is concerned. and it wasted too much money on the wrong kind of tax cuts.

Half of the GOP is insane. Or believe insane things. Take your pick.
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among those voters who say they’re likely to participate in a Republican primary next year. 51% say they don’t think Barack Obama was born in the United States

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http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/02/romney-and-birthers.html

And what about the jobs lost due to the budget slashes? The federal employees that will be let go, as well as the jobs lost that usually support them – like people in the transport industry.

I have a quote from an article:

I checked with budget expert Scott Lilly of the Center for American Progress, and, using the usual multipliers, he calculated that the cuts – a net of $59 billion in the last half of fiscal 2011 – would lead to the loss of 650,000 government jobs, and the indirect loss of 325,000 more jobs as fewer government workers travel and buy things. That’s nearly 1 million jobs

If you’re going to talk about the fact that unemployment is still high – then talk about the contributing factors to it.

I know the above quote is just from a pundit – but in the end what is the difference between his writing a story and our making comments if the facts (the numbers in this case) are relevent?

Here’s the link, incase anyone wanted to see for themselves:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/15/AR2011021505223.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

“Some people believe in contributing their fair share to the expense of running a country, others don’t”
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Ah the amorphous liberal concept of “fair share”.
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The top 1% pays 38% of the income tax. Top 5% pays 59% of income tax.
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61% of National Income goes to government.
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Historical average of tax to GDP is 18%.
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The left screams that HC companies and oil companies are gouging the public. The profit margins of Hospitals – 3.6%, Health Care Insurance Cos – 3.3%- Major Oil and Gas Cos.- 3.5% and gas refining cos. – 3.5%.

So the government takes 18% and its not enough but a 3% profit margin is gouging and providing nearly 60% of revenues at a 28-35% rate is not “fair share”.

Talk about a delusional mind.

Progressive options for reducing the deficit

Yet there are a number of progressive ways to reduce the deficit that both President Obama and the House Republicans failed to endorse. These policies, unlike deep cuts to public investment, education, and social services, would have a minimal impact on employment and job growth, and would go much further in actually closing the budget deficit. Here are five such ideas:

H/T to Greg Sargent.

Derek@3.8,

How much will you be adding voluntarily to your tax payments for 2010? The federal government will be happy to accept your donation.

“using the usual multiplier”
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Just curious are these the same multipliers that were used to calculate that unemployment would not exceed 8% if they porkulus bill was passed?

55% of Americans Opposed to Republican Plans to Cut HC Funding

A majority of the public disapproves of the Republican idea to cut off funding for health care reform, a new CBS News poll shows – although most also disapprove of the health care law, and many aren’t sure of its impact on the health care system.

m0mentom0ri@4,
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So what? 61% of Democrats believed or were not sure that George W Bush knew of 9/11 in advance.
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public-content/politics/current-events/bush_administration/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance

President Christie…..Hmmm…..Has a ring to it!!
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Rather than your usual “Donald Duck” or “Mickey Mouse” write-in vote, might I suggest Christie for President?

’500 words’
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Rep. Paul Ryan checks his watch…
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“I don’t understand these numbers, either.”
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“Big hand points to 3, little hand pointing to…um…”
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“Wonder how long I can keep everyone distracted from jobs with this budget thing.”

For the nay-sayers:
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Qaradawi is the father figure of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, the country’s best-organized opposition group. The Brotherhood is sure to play a part in deciding what path Egypt will now take.

SD State Senator Admits His Abortion Bill is Less Than Clear

Jensen was aggressively defending the bill all day yesterday, arguing that its current language only applied to illegal acts and adamantly insisting that it couldn’t be applied to the killing of abortion providers. But now, his decision to consider changing the bill amounts to an admission that the proposal may be flawed and perhaps not as clear cut as he insisted.

No Teleprompter!!! ACK!! What Will He Do???
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As we know it is very difficult to tell a lie the same way twice, this could get interesting.

“who say they’re likely to participate in a Republican primary”
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What you don’t mention in highlights or bold letters is this:

“according to a poll by the Democratic firm Public Policy Polling..”
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What is most interesting is the left brings up this debate constantly for no other reason than to try and make Republicans look extreme. Hardly a mention of a Demo Governor of HI who as a campaign promise said he would publish the birth certificate. First it was state law didn’t allow him (which is interesting that a campaign would not have looked into that before making the promise) then it could not be found. SImple way to prove it one way or another, have Obama produce and have him say “see here it is now shut up”

At best the left wants a bumper sticker at worst there is more to the story. Seems we are still waiting on John Kerry’s promise to release his complete medical/military records.

Something tells me that the cyber-geeks will not allow this to happen
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When Will Obambi Decide To Secure The Borders?
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The Big Government Explosion – Surpassing the “Great Society”
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Brutal: Islamist Gone Wild
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“Reduce Or Eliminate Wasteful Tax Expenditures”
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I guess this would depend on how one defines “wasteful”.

Of course you have “Think Progress” which by itself is an oxymoron and hardly worth bird cage lining quoting another liberal group CAP.
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Isn’t that how the last 2 years went and now we have a budget deficit over 2 times what Bush left and $14 trillion in national debt.
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Thanks no thanks!

A Society In Decay: This Is What Generational Welfare Gets You
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As we have now raised our children in the liberal dream world, what kind of people from that great society are now adults?
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This kind, unfortunately. Once you succeed in destroying all of our morals, values and ideals. A life is worth less than $5 bucks.

That’s a might fine example of disparaging the messenger but it fails to address any of the points made.

The Berkeley city council, in another puerile demonstration of liberal fecklessness, condemns the treatment of Wikileaker, Bradley Manning.
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Another case of politicians with way too much time on their hands.

Just for the initial implemetation. I wonder if this was in the CBO analysis?

The Internal Revenue Service says it will need an battalion of 1,054 new auditors and staffers and new facilities at a cost to taxpayers of more than $359 million in fiscal 2012 just to watch over the initial implementation of President Obama’s healthcare reforms. Among the new corps will be 81 workers assigned to make sure tanning salons pay a new 10 percent excise tax. Their cost: $11.5 million.

“Wouldn’t the best question be why hasn’t over 1 trillion in stimulus spending created jobs
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Still lying through your teeth, rustyblog? We’ve been over this before. The cost of the stimulus was 787 billion. Now, on the planet earth, 787 billion is in fact less than 1 trillion. In addition, the stimulus actually created a lot of jobs. About 3 million, in fact.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2010-08-30-stimulus30_CV_N.htm

From the same article:

It’s not all tough news for taxpayers. The IRS regularly pays for its enforcement team and more when they collect taxes that companies and individuals try to skip out on. According to the budget documents, the IRS plans to get a big return on investment worth about $279 million by fiscal 2014.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/02/15/healthcare-reform-law-requires-new-irs-army-of-1054

Paul

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The 61% figure of “Democrats” believing that Bush knew of the 9/11 attacks in advance is poppycock, and I think you know it. First your source is Resmussen Reports, well know for its poorly worded questions and discredited polling statistics (robocalls simply do not work as a polling device). As former Democratic party offidcial and longtime D activit, I have met exactly one truther in my travels, and he is well know eccentric who we regard with (oving) bemusement.

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What perhaps can be asserted is the Bush Administration should, have known of the attacks in advance. The Bush security people, especially Condi Rice, made a point of de-emphasizing Islamic concern, partly because it was a favorite hobbyhorse of the Demcorats they were replacing and they viewed the Clinton peoples’ hyperventilating about atttacks with a certain level of disdain. The results were tragic.

Jumping from one link to another from your link it produces no data to back up the claim of the dollars that will be collected. It dismisses that transaction will be done elsewhere tax free. It is chalk full of the usual drivel: they can afford it, time to pay up, it’s not fair.
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In an industry where traders build algorithms to transact trades where they pick up cents on the dollar it is at best naive and uninformed to believe that 0.25% won’t impact trading here.
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I would venture that the great analysis was done by a combination of skateboarding liberals like Erza Klein and academics like Larry Summers who come out of the woodwork from time to time to offer their brilliance to help trash the economy because in reality they never have done anything but offer solutions based on their vast experience of telling others what to do. One only needs to look at the luxury tax and how it collected a portion of what was projected and destroyed the boat building business here.

“And there’s a well-heeled potential source for those funds that’s rolling in dough and owes us big. That well-heeled source would be Wall Street. And it’s time to collect”

“According to the budget documents, the IRS plans to get a big return on investment worth about $279 million by fiscal 2014.”
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I am sure if you look at any budget request they all show big returns for the dollars spent and if you play the odds of typical government workings they will bring in less and spend more.
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ANd since it is a new law and new tax, they are making assumptions about compliance based on a guess and nothing more. I would refer you to the “return on investment” of the luxury tax that the Demos foisted on the public.

They also volunteered to houses the Gitmo detainees

who come out of the woodwork from time to time to offer their brilliance to help trash the economy because in reality they never have done anything but offer solutions based on their vast experience of telling others what to do

You must be referring to all of those “experts” under W that helped implement a ridiculous trillion dollar tax cut, an unfunded liability in the Medicare drug plan, two wars paid for off the books, and a market that they helped down the tubes while busily stuffing the pockets of their wealthy enablers. That’s obviously what you meant to say.

“they were replacing and they viewed the Clinton peoples’ hyperventilating about atttacks with a certain level of disdain. The results were tragic.”
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Of course the level of concern may have been heightened because Bin Laden was still loose as Clinton turned down an opportunity to have him jailed. And yes the results were tragic.

Speaking of lying “it created 3 million jobs in fact” is anything but fact. In the article it estimated 2.5-3.6 million jobs and as seen below is an estimate from models. $hit in = $hit out. The range is 44% wide. The models were based on historical relationships and not actaul numbers. Many economists also commented that many of the historical relationships did not hold up. Romer’s analysis promising unemployment no higher than 8% proves that.
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At least you didn’t throw in the farce of “jobs saved” which has even less evidence than your 3 million jobs.

From the link:

It’s impossible to determine precisely how many jobs or how much growth the stimulus program caused. In a nearly $14 trillion economy, economists can’t go employer to employer counting new hires. And there are too many moving parts to confidently link any single factor with individual hiring decisions. Roughly one-third of the stimulus, for example, came in the form of tax cuts, which are designed to boost demand for a wide array of products and eventually result in related hiring.

But to estimate the answers to such questions, economists rely on models based on historical relationships between various policies and real-world results.

“that helped implement a ridiculous trillion dollar tax cut”
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Now is that the same ridiculous tax cut the Dems and Obama passed in December? And no matter how many times you repeat that lie, revenues went up and revenue receipts hit an all time high in 2007.
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“unfunded liability in the Medicare drug plan”
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And is this the same one Bush worked with Ted Kennedy on and later Kennedy said Bush did it “on the cheap”?
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“two wars paid for off the books”
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So they are paid for? But are these the same wars Obama campaign on ending and now has asked for more money and troops (unpaid for)?
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“and a market that they helped down the tubes while busily stuffing the pockets of their wealthy enablers”
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The same enablers SEC, Federal Reserve, FDIC, Comptroller of the Currency, Freddie MAc and Fannie Mae that we are now giving more regulation to enforce on top of the ones they didn’t enforce?
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So what we have is the left lying about what they will do, doing exactly what they criticize Bush for (and more) and then compounding those mistakes with more spending and debt. It seems what really ticks the left off is they want to spend more money and the public is saying no!
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Boy, freewelcher, you sure seem to have a problem with reality. Splitting the difference and saying that a number between 2.5 and 3.6 is around 3 isn’t lying. It’s common sense. And, of course, there’s absolutely no reason to believe a bunch of economists when it comes to the economy. But keeping making sh!t up. I’m sure it makes you feel better.

Obama increased the number of border agents but the Republican House bill cuts the number so the border will become a Republican problem and they can tell Brewer in AZ that it isn’t an issue that Republicans care about.

What happened to their sole focus of jobs, jobs, jobs?. It seems more like their goal is increased unemployment. They ought to start with them and cut their staff by 75% and their expenses by the same amount.

“Splitting the difference and saying that a number between 2.5 and 3.6 is around 3 isn’t lying.
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And it isn’t a fact as was posted. It is at best a model with more assumption based on historical relationships also not facts. So yes claiming it is fact is lying! Not to a liberal maybe because they do it as a matter of due course.

Tell you what, freewelcher. Show me your MA in economics, then maybe I’ll have a reason to believe you over a group of economists. Until then, I’ll believe the people who have actually ummm….studied and researched what they’re talking about.

“What happened to their sole focus of jobs, jobs, jobs?.”
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They were lying. Why not? The legacy press never calls them on their constant lies and their slobbering base swallows every new lie whole and never punishes them for all of their previous lies.

A defenses of Breibart from Huffpo?

This is followed by Stranahan describing the premise of his post, the “odd timing” as cited in its headline for Sherrod to sue Breitbart for alleged defamation and infliction of emotional distress. He expresses doubt that Sherrod’s reputation has been hurt by the controversy “but in fact seems to have been enhanced by it.” Sherrod was offered another job at USDA the day after she was fired and spoke with President Obama. Stranahan links to a story on a speech Sherrod gave earlier this month in Oregon where she said, “That moment was just a bump in the road.” Stranahan also claims that Sherrod’s former attorney asked him a few weeks ago to convey a message to Breitbart that Sherrod was not going to sue him.

Stranahan describes why he considers the timing of Sherrod’s lawsuit suspect –

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this lawsuit comes just as things are starting to heat up in the Pigford investigation. Mrs. Sherrod is connected to Pigford. She’s the largest recipient of a Pigford claim; she, her husband Charles Sherrod and the New Communities farm won over thirteen million dollars while most other farmers only got $50,000. Mrs. Sherrod was hired by the USDA after this award. Prior to being hired, she worked to help keep angry black farmers from pulling out of the lawsuit after they objected to the terms of the consent decree. And despite her hero status with many, the farmers I personally interviewed about Mrs. Sherrod have decidedly mixed feelings about her.

Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2011/02/16/odd-timing-sherrod-lawsuit-against-breitbart-questioned-unlikely-quart#ixzz1E8w0UYtw

ohiolibb@3.14,
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“$787 billion”
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Well, maybe not.
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http://blog.heritage.org/2009/02/12/true-cost-of-stimulus-327-trillion

“Tell you what, freewelcher. Show me your MA in economics, then maybe I’ll have a reason to believe you over a group of economists. Until then, I’ll believe the people who have actually ummm….studied and researched what they’re talking about.”
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The article tells you its a model not facts based on historical data not actual current numbers. You are believing what you want — typical for the delusional liberal mind. Make up your own facts , repeat.
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I guess will need to see your MA in English because you can’t seem to comprehend what you read so in follows you can’t believe what you write.

more ‘500 words’
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“Hmm, W’s father looked at his watch during a debate years ago, heard that really turned out well for him. Heard he buys his own groceries too, knows supermarkets inside and out.”

No I would prefer Goofy! Hmmm on second thought you might see that as an endorsement for Glenn Beck and even though he is goofy, I do believe he would make a terrible president.

The article tells you its a model not facts based on historical data not actual current number
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Which, ironically, is far more convincing than anything you’ve posted. it’s called evidence.
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And Paule, if you believe what the heritage foundation claims, you deserve to be deluded.

For the children, of course
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Madison schools will be closed Wednesday as teachers planned a district-wide absence to attend protests against Gov. Scott Walker’s proposal to limit union bargaining. District Superintendent Dan Nerad made the announcement at 11 p.m. Tuesday after 40 percent of the 2,600 members of the teachers union had called in sick and more were expected to do so through Wednesday morning

Wouldn’t matter. We can’t even stop net neutrality from breaking down…. in comparison a kill switch is laughable.

pelhamite1@4.3,
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The question wasn’t all that complicated, even for the type democrat who couldn’t handle a butterfly ballot on election day. In any event 35% of Dems “believe” that Bush had pre-knowledge of 9/11 and 26% were unsure. That is 61% for for the benefit of Palm Beach democrats.
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The PPP poll which gave us the poll on Obama’s birth certificate is from a Democrat polling house, but let’s take the poll at face value. 51% of Republicans doubt that Obama was American born. Could they have been affected by Democrat Gov of Hawaii, Neal Abercrombie, promising to produce the birth certificate and then claiming that he can’t find it?

freeinpa@17,1,
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Actually, the vote on housing Gitmo detainees failed. Even Berkeley liberals are not quite that stupid.

“Ironically”
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Ding ding ding the liberal word of the day – yesterday’s (and now tomorrows) is false equivalence- keep an eye out for that excuse.
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“The article tells you its a model not facts based on historical data not actual current number
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Which, ironically, is far more convincing than anything you’ve posted. it’s called evidence.”
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That’s exactly what I posted, commentary from the article
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So you don’t read, you don’t understand English but you vehemently disagree with what I say.

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Stop playing with the home lobotomy kit!

Paullie,
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Resisting Republicans will get the president liberal and moderate votes.
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Obeying or abdicating to Republicans will get him no Republican votes.
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If vetoing anything Republican which, by some miracle, makes it through the Senate is, by far, the best strategy the president can got on.
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When the Gingrich that stole Christmas stole Christmas of 1995 with a government shutdown, even thought technically Clinton who pulled the plug it cost Republicans in the house and Senate but handed Clinton a victory as moderates and liberals ( with no actual liberals to vote for in 1996) came out voted for Clinton’s re-election in a decisive win.
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Typical of the posters here, you state that voting on what is trolling and what is not trolling would shut down only conservatives but, in elections you presume that nobody to the left of the Tea Party votes at all.

From your link:

Sexual harassment of women is an all-too-common occurrence on the streets of Cairo. But many women noted a complete absence of it in the early days of protests in Tahrir Square, where demonstrators made a point of trying to create a microcosm of the society without many of Egypt’s social ills.

However, in the final days, and especially after the battles with pro-Mubarak gangs who attacked the protesters in Tahrir, women noticed sexual assault had returned to the square. On the day Mubarak fell, women reported being groped by the rowdy crowds. One witness saw a woman slap a man after he touched her. The man was then passed down a line of people who all slapped him and reprimanded him.

So, it appears that when it was just anti-government protesters on the square, everything was peaceful, perhaps more peacful in some ways than normal Egyptian society. However, when the “pro-Mubarak gangs” appeared, then the assaults became much more common.
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I guess you can’t just help yourself. Something happens and bells and whistles go off in your head and you immediately begin to play the blame game. Liberals, NBPP, MB, doesn’t matter, your reaction is the same. Of course, in the article you linked, there is absolutely zero evidence that the assualts were perpetrated by “Islamists.” (which I assume to mean radicals, aka the Muslim Brotherhood to you) But, of course, that would require critical thinking (and reading comprehension) and not just immediately jumping on the far-right bandwagon.

That’s exactly what I posted, commentary from the article
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Except that you didn’t make any points with it. What you posted was an explanation for the variance, between 2.5 and 3.6 million jobs created. And where the economists stated they used historical models. Which, once again, is far more evidence then anything you’ve provided. Show me some actual evidence that these numbers are off. Can you?

“Except that you didn’t make any points with it”
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I did but apparently either you reading comprehension go tin the way or just your ignorance to a view you disagree with.
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It was historical relationship similar to the ones Romer used in projecting that unemployment would not exceed 8% with that same stimulus. So how odes one exactly reconcile creating 2.5-3.6 million job (wonder what the margin of error is on 44% spread) while unemployment rose to nearly 10%.

But you will believe what you want otherwise the whole liberal meme is just a sad sad joke

That is a huge leap of faith I wouldn’t make.

So, freep, you have no actual evidence, and your only argument is to attack the use of models? That will be all, freewelcher. That will be all.

And what evidence do you have that it is “fact”. Now by fact I mean actual provable numbers! Not estimates on estimates based on please god let it be true hope.

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Right you have none just another delusional hope that your life’s philosophy doesn’t have the same margin of error as that model.
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So please don’t go around blabbering about “facts” you have no ability to define or comprehend them just more lies to yourself

patricksartor@1,3,
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Moderate voters helped Republicans win a monumental victory in 2010. They are unlikely to cheer on Obama’s efforts to continue business as usual.
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This is not 1995 and Obama is not Bill Clinton. Also, Bill Clinton was not facing the prospect of a $15 trillion debt.
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I wouldn’t count on Democrat Senators to fall on their swords to defend Obama’s spending.
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Your last paragraph was incoherent, so no response is possible.

Dessert: What is the best way to use an Li-ion battery?

“The PPP poll which gave us the poll on Obama’s birth certificate is from a Democrat polling house, but let’s take the poll at face value. 51% of Republicans doubt that Obama was American born. Could they have been affected by Democrat Gov of Hawaii, Neal Abercrombie, promising to produce the birth certificate and then claiming that he can’t find it?”
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Another birther is born.

ohiolibb@3.21,
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The CBO reports that the $787 billion is really $862 billion. Add the interest payments and we are well over a trillion.

hippooath@4.6,
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Not me. I believe that there is no story about the Obama birthplace. I am of the mind that if there was a real story there than the crack Clinton opposition research teams would have found it. Those people cut their teeth on Clinton “bimbo eruptions” and they miss nothing. The CIA should be so good.

“facts” only liberals can love.

CBO estimate –135% spread

ABC reports WH changed its own count not a model

WH tells WaPo they estimate 1.7-2.0m an 18% spread but on the high end 65% lower than CBO model.
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CNN reports states lost nearly 3 mil while WH claims creating 3 mil- I think that means zero
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And my favorite is Chicago teachers saving 183 more teachers jobs than they had. Glad we spent all that money to save teachers jobs they need to stay in school to learn simple math.

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So tell me which “evidence” of these “facts” are real?
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the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released a report in August that said the stimulus bill has “[l]owered the unemployment rate by between 0.7 percentage points and 1.8 percentage points” and “[i]ncreased the number of people employed by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million.”
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Today’s report from ABC News tells us that prior to releasing its jobs report, the administration cut out 60,000 additional jobs from unreliable reports, none of which appear to overlap with the ones we’ve highlighted here. Had those jobs been included in the original count, the number of jobs “created or saved” by the stimulus would have exceeded 700,000, and the number of imaginary or doubtful jobs would have approached 20 percent.
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The $787 billion economic stimulus package has created or saved between 1.7 million and 2 million jobs, but its impact on the economy ebbed slightly in the final quarter of 2009 compared with prior months, the White House said Tuesday night – WaPo
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states have lost a total of 2.9 million jobs between the bill’s enactment last February through December, though the administration projected stimulus would save or create 3.5 million positions.- cnn

More than $4.7 million in federal stimulus aid so far has been funneled to schools in North Chicago, and state and federal officials say that money has saved the jobs of 473 teachers.
Problem is, the district employs only 290 teachers.- Chicago Tribune

Patrick @ 1.3, it’s obvious you don’t understand what an election means. The Democrats just lost in one of the biggest shifts in power in US history.
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As for you idea that this blog have a button for you to push, when you don’t like the response…that would just end in a button pushing contest. It’s a stupid idea.
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Like I said, there are other blogs that have a report button. You should go try them out. They discuss cats, kittens and recipes, anything else gets reported and removed.
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It doesn’t make for a great place to discuss issues, unless your favorite topic is cats.
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“Not me. I believe that there is no story about the Obama birthplace. I am of the mind that if there was a real story there than the crack Clinton opposition research teams would have found it. Those people cut their teeth on Clinton “bimbo eruptions” and they miss nothing. The CIA should be so good.”
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Why the need to hypothize about ‘finding no birth cert’ then?
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If you don’t believe in mythos, nor subscribe to it’s insanity there’s no real reason to even aknowledge it. Like me and so called truthers. I just call them insane. That’s it. I don’t even have to aknowledge WHAT they believe. To go one step further is to unfold the insanity just to stomp all over it.
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Bullsh@t do not need any speculating and you linking the insanity to why 51% might think so ignores the bigger question why sane people such as yourself don’t more verbally tell the insane cohort to shut up and sit down.

Ask women.

For the reactionary, crazy right wing file:
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/15/944736/-The-Right-to-WorkNow-Available-in-a-Junior-Edition
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Missouri state Senator Jane Cunningham has introduced a bill to eliminate child labor laws.
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http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/bachmann-blasts-first-lady-and-nanny-state—-for-promoting-breastfeeding.php?ref=fpb
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Bachmann Blasts First Lady And ‘Nanny State’ — For Promoting Breastfeeding

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/gop-freshmen-discover-health-care-hell
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Oh, the irony. The Politico interviewed several GOP representatives who opted out of their Congressional health care plans, and discovered they’re all having second thoughts about that whole ‘repeal and replace’ thing. If it’s not the cost of individual insurance that’s getting them steamed, it’s the pre-existing conditions.
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http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/arizona_bill_would_force_hospitals_to_check_patients_immigration_status.php?ref=fpb
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“Republican lawmakers in Arizona have proposed a bill that would serve as a kind of follow-up to the controversial immigration law Gov. Jan Brewer (R) signed into law last year. The bill would require hospitals to check the immigration status of each patient.”

“It’s objected to by health professionals all across this county,” Pauk said. “It’s a challenge or a disaster for the medical and nursing ethics, and it’s immoral. We need to take care of people no matter who they are.”

“Pauk also made the case that people with communicable diseases would avoid going to hospitals for fear of their immigration status coming up, “and be out there, affecting us.”

Good for him. I don’t understand this call for public workers to give up their pensions and their collective bargaining rights. It would make sense if public workers had caused the economic downturn, but every thinking American knows it was the banksters and the speculators that caused it. Ironic that the very same ones who caused the crisis got bailed out while hard working Americans are scap goated and told they have to sacrifice…
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I take that back. Not ironic at all, its the same old thing from Republicans.

“Moderate voters helped Republicans win a monumental victory in 2010. “
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As they helped make a monumental victory for Democrats in 2006 and 2008.
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“I wouldn’t count on Democrat Senators to fall on their swords to defend Obama’s spending.”
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I wouldn’t expect them to fall on their swords to vote against programs they had promised to their constituents for Republicans.
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Spending is not just the random use of money. Some spending is liked and other spending is not. Cut some of the pentagon’s spending and you will get some Democratic support.

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“Like I said, there are other blogs that have a report button. You should go try them out. They discuss cats, kittens and recipes, anything else gets reported and removed.
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It doesn’t make for a great place to discuss issues, unless your favorite topic is cats.”
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Redstate is all about cats?
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Who knew?
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Oh, they have an appointed Fuhrer who moderates for the will of the readers rather than letting the readers vote.
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Outside of deleting personal attacks ( which are obvious to all reasonable people) from either side which is obvious to anybody, I do not want a redstate-like appointed Fuhrer to determine what is and what is not trolling.
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I want democracy in moderation.
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That way, if you go overboard, as you almost always do you can not say “that fcking moderator!” but, instead say “damn! I really annoy the fck out of people, don’t I”
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That is not censorship. That is a code of conduct by mutual enforcement and if the world is so overwhelmingly Republican and all registered posters get to vote the bias would favor you.
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If not, then maybe the world is far, far, far to the left of what you imagine.