Florida’s Rick Scott Sends High-Speed Rail Packing

By Michael Grunwald, TIME Senior Correspondent

It’s one thing to look a gift horse in the mouth. It’s quite another thing to slaughter a gift horse and send its disemboweled corpse back to Washington.

Florida Governor Rick Scott just killed the Obama administration’s marquee high-speed rail project, giving up a whopping $2.4 billion in federal funds for a Tampa-Orlando bullet train. This was the nation’s most shovel-ready high-speed project, and the state wasn’t required to spend a dime to build it; running through the heart of the politically sensitive I-4 corridor, it had bipartisan support in South Florida, where it was seen as a precursor to a long-awaited Orlando-Miami line.

But Scott ran as a tea-party candidate, and he’s sticking to his tea-party convictions. He’s also delivering a brutal setback to one of Obama’s signature initiatives, halting high-speed rail’s momentum just days after the president proposed to spend an additional $53 billion over the next six years.

“Put simply, the proposed high-speed rail line is far too uncertain and offers far too little long-term benefit for me to consider moving forward,” Scott wrote to Transportation Secretary Ray Lahood. In prepared remarks, he added: “The answer is to reduce government spending, cut government’s leash on our state’s job creators and then hold government accountable for the investments it makes.”

Scott has pledged to create 700,000 jobs in Florida, and he sent LaHood a long list of alternative infrastructure projects to which he’d like to divert the high-speed money, including port deepenings in Jacksonville and Miami and highway widenings on I-95 and I-4. But that’s not how the high-speed rail program works. When newly elected Republican governors Scott Walker of Wisconsin and John Kasich of Ohio scuttled their high-speed programs, their money was redistributed to states like Florida. Now it will be re-redistributed nationwide.

“This project could have supported thousands of good-paying jobs for Floridians and helped grow Florida businesses, all while alleviating congestion on Florida’s highways,” LaHood said in a statement. “Nevertheless, there is overwhelming demand for high-speed rail in other states that are enthusiastic to receive Florida’s and the economic benefits it can deliver, such as manufacturing and construction jobs, as well as private development along its corridors.”

Walker and Kasich had made it clear during their campaigns that they would kill high-speed rail, but Scott had been cagier. In recent weeks, he had only said he wanted to make sure Florida didn’t have to pay for the project—and with the extra money from Wisconsin and Ohio, it looked like his concerns had been met. LaHood also worked out a deal to make sure that private businesses competing to build and run the line would assume responsibility for cost overruns and operating expenses.

But Scott is no fan of Obama or his initiatives; Scott’s first foray into politics was leading a group devoted to attacking Obama’s health reforms. And Scott doesn’t seem particularly fond of mass transportation either. He has suspended funding for a desperately needed commuter rail line in Orlando, which was supposed to be a prerequisite for high-speed rail. Today, he also complained about state subsidies for another commuter rail line running between West Palm Beach and Miami

On the merits, the Tampa-Orlando line is actually a tougher call; I’ve referred to it as a “glorified Disney shuttle.” But a report by the U.S. Conference of Mayors suggested that the train could have provided up to $2.9 billion in economic benefits in the Orlando area alone, creating as much as 27,500 jobs. And our passenger rail system is pathetically slow; if you want to start building sleek bullet trains like the ones whipping around Europe and Asia, you’ve got to start somewhere. The Tampa-Orlando route had the necessary permits and land—it went right down the I-4 median—as well as a built-in ridership between Disney World and the Orlando airport. It was telling that Scott massaged the ridership data in his remarks; he argued that it was silly to expect 3 million annual riders on the Tampa-Orlando line when only 3.2 million ride the Acela train in the Northeast Corridor, but he didn’t mention another 7.2 million riders in the Northeast Corridor who take somewhat slower but much cheaper trains.

So now what? This will mean more money for bullet trains in California, but they’re still years away from becoming a reality. It will mean more money for less sexy but nevertheless worthy projects to increase Amtrak speeds around Chicago and throughout the Midwest.

But if Obama wants to drive this train forward, he’s going to have to work with Republican House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chairman John Mica, who represents Orlando, and yesterday called Scott’s decision a “huge setback for the state of Florida.” Mica has actually been highly critical of Obama’s approach to high-speed rail, saying the obvious place to pour more money is the popular and profitable Acela line. It’s still too slow, with average speeds of around 85 miles an hour, but it’s replaced the airlines as the dominant mode of travel in the Northeast. It will take billions of dollars to increase Acela’s speeds—but as it happens, Obama’s about to have some extra high-speed rail money to play with.

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  • newfreedomblog

    High Speed Railroads to no where. Yea, just what we need right now. Good job Obambi!!

  • nflfoghorn

    Stupid. Just stupid.
    And bald.

  • nflfoghorn

    And the same could be said for post #1.

  • hippooath

    Don’t invest, regress. Pass a law that everyone have to buy Hummers. It’s quicker that way.

  • square1

    I am no great lover of Florida, but calling Tampa and Orlando “nowhere” strikes me as a likely losing political message for the politicians of the state.

  • nflfoghorn

    We (i.e., the majority) voted for this clown….

  • shepherdwong

    Why not? A sociopathic, criminal CEO is the perfect Teatard candidate.

  • lupercal5

    im gonna take full responsibility for this one. i didnt vote against this clown.
    .
    but hey, destroying jobs and dismantling the infrastructure is the surest way to make sure obama is a one-termer. kudos

  • square1

    Stupid liberals. Once Scott “cuts government’s leash on Florida’s job creators” surely private enterprise will step in and build high-speed rail in Florida. Just ask all of Florida’s engineers and contractors who are surely thrilled at the cancellation of the project.

    I am sure this must be true because I read it in Atlas Shrugged.

  • nflfoghorn

    Wonder what his approval ratings are after a month and a half in office.

  • deconstructiva

    I’m surprised Orlando doesn’t have rail + faster transportation (besides buses) to link airport, all theme parks + International Drive to make moving around easier. It took an effort in Las Vegas to link many Strip hotels by monorail but it’s worth it. With funding Orlando could expand a sim. system to open more of the city to tourists, more biz opportunities. Then again, given budget woes described, I’m not surprised at all that they don’t.

  • textee

    High-speed rail is nothing but a worthless, tax payer funded, utopian boondoggle. It’s not at all surprising that a clueless socialist like Obama who knows nothing about free markets or business would be pushing such a scheme. Great job, Rick Scott. Let’s hope that those ridiculous, so-called “green” energy projects are next on the chopping block.

  • square1

    BTW, Rick Scott inauguration contributions:

    Contribution Reports
    Date Company Amount
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    [...]
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    12/15/10 Disney Worldwide Services, Inc. $25,000.00

    Suckers!

  • nflfoghorn

    European nations must also be worthless boodoggles….

  • hippooath

    Meanwhile the rest of the world invests and move on. See Holland and wind power, England and Coal and now us and oil.

  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    I don’t know much about John Mica but I can respect a Florida congressman advocating for northeast corridor transportation spending in light of what just happened. I’m sure there’s a lot I disagree with him about but this seems pretty darned principled. What’s his reputation like?

  • lepidusxvi

    For half a second, try to set aside your position on whether the federal government should be bigger/smaller/pay for rail.
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    The guy turned down a literal gift that would undoubtedly improve his state. As the governor of Florida, he should do what is best for Florida, not grind ideological axes that have nothing to do with him.
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    It’s almost criminally incompetent of him to refuse this.

  • filmnoia

    So Scott is going to create 700,000 jobs in a state that is essentially a tourist economy? Yeah sure. If they create any jobs it will be of the under $10 an hour variety. Let’s see how many of FL’s citizens can live on that.
    This crook is only in office because of a weak Dem candidate and an elderly voting population that are the types who willingly get fleeced by crooked tradesman. Since I never plan ever to visit that state again, I could care less whether they have high speed rail or not. In the industrial Midwest this is a different matter. The governors of OH and WI are in the vanguard of leading this country into a Third World irrelevancy.

  • afguy

    You think he really gives flying f__k what anyone thinks, nfl?
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    Fla has no recall mechanism.

  • northpoleresident

    This doesn’t mean money won’t get spent. It will just go to other states. When the Wisconsin governor rejected high speed rail funds it went to us in Chicago instead. In the real world there is a real problem with traffic congestion and worn down trains. This effects the local economy to the tune of billions of dollars each year in wasted gas and loss productivity and needs to be addressed.

  • afguy

    Shades of Nader/Bush/Gore…

  • nflfoghorn

    I know. He doesn’t even give a walking one.

  • newfreedomblog

    The point being, how will Obambi be able to put in a high speed railroad when he’s missing States on the rail lines? Will he somehow invent a flying train, one that will magically jump over the States who do not or will not put up funds to build it?

  • nflfoghorn

    One of the more centrist Republicans (as centrist as it gets nowadays).

  • newfreedomblog

    Big pie in the sky pipe dreams from Obama were not what got Gov Scott elected. The people who put him into office want the exact opposite of what Obambi wants.
    .
    Those voters, the majority, elected Scott to cut the size of the Government. To decrease the spending, and to rid Florida of the liberal agenda.

  • nflfoghorn

    Don’t believe the Chuck Todd hype. Alex Sink was not a weak candidate (neither was Bill McCollum in the GOP primary). All of the major newspapers endorsed her and she ran a strong campaign. Unfortunately the TP wave hit hard here and Crook had million$ to spend on perpetuating lies.

  • lepidusxvi

    To add, if he was so concerned about the federal deficit, he should have run for the Senate, not the Governor’s mansion. If Rubio had torpedoed this, I could understand. He has a professional responsibility to both his state and the federal government.
    .
    The governor does not.
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    He is doing what is politically expedient at the expense of his own state’s citizens and they’ll probably re-elect him for it.

  • nflfoghorn

    Or he can put that $ he got bilking Medicare paitients over the years to good use and build it himself.

  • http://jimticket.wordpress.com jimticket

    Wow, that’s interesting given that corporations can’t make campaign contributions. It’s against the law.

  • nflfoghorn

    Goofy, ain’t it?

  • lepidusxvi

    newf – Sure, and he should run his government as he promised in the elections. They have consequences, he won.
    .
    But if this program TRULY would not cost the state of Florida a dime, then he’s just being an ideological moron.
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    He is literally turning away a massive free investment in his state’s infrastructure. If he could redirect it to programs he thought were better, I’d get this. But he can’t.
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    As I understand it, this costs Florida nothing and refusing it means another state gets it.
    .
    What does that possibly do good for the people of Florida?
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    Not even sure I agree with Obama giving high speed rail money out like this, but stop for a moment, and look at this from Florida’s perspective, not your perspective as someone more concerned with the federal government. It’s complete lunacy for them to refuse it.

  • nflfoghorn

    This was for the inauguration after the election so theoretically it wasn’t a campaign contribution. I keep telling myself.

  • square1

    Great moments in citizenry:
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    “The internet is nothing but a worthless, tax payer funded, utopian boondoggle.” — Textee, circa 1994
    .
    “The space program is nothing but a worthless, tax payer funded, utopian boondoggle.” — Textee’s father, circa 1969.
    .
    “The interstate highway system is nothing but a worthless, tax payer funded, utopian boondoggle.” — Textee’s uncle, circa 1960.
    .
    “The rural electrification program is nothing but a worthless, tax payer funded, utopian boondoggle.” — Textee’s grandfather, circa 1939.
    .
    “The Panama Canal is nothing but a worthless, tax payer funded, utopian boondoggle.” — Textee’s great-grandfather, circa 1914.
    .
    “The Erie Canal is nothing but a worthless, tax payer funded, utopian boondoggle.” — Textee’s great-great-great-grandfather, circa 1825.
    .
    “Stonehenge is nothing but a worthless, tax payer funded, utopian boondoggle.” — Textee’s distant, Celtic ancestors circa 2500 B.C.

  • nflfoghorn

    God I hope you’re wrong.

  • nflfoghorn

    11.5 = response to 11.2

  • troubador222

    I believe this might start a recall campaign. I hope. This guy is beyond stupidity. I work in engineering and land surveying and knew people who were extremely excited about the number of jobs this was going to create. Now thousands more are going to be without work. And our unemployment is already at 12%. Ever since Depression Dubya started I have been scrambling to find work and this clown just comes in and wants to destroy us. He comes from Naples Florida where 80% of the people who do work in their low paid servant jobs, cant afford to live there. I am just over this clown already.

  • square1

    It is also worth emphasizing that Scott’s actions will not reduce government spending or the deficit. Scott will not even divert government funds from high-speed rail projects. Scott is merely diverting funds out of Florida to other states.

    As lepidusxvi put it, this is “almost criminal incompetence.”

    How Scott can justify to his constituents turning away billions in federal tax dollars is beyond me. Remember that Scott’s constituents are still paying for the high-speed rail projects. They just wont be getting the direct benefit of the Tampa-Orlando project.

    Did Scott really run a campaign based on promising to run Florida’s economy into the ground as a matter of principle?

  • newfreedomblog

    When you have facts and history to go by, it is not difficult to predict what will happen.
    .

    “How can we know this? History, for starters.
    .
    Passenger rail service inspires wishful thinking. In 1970, when Congress created Amtrak to preserve intercity passenger trains, the idea was that the system would become profitable and self-sustaining after an initial infusion of federal money. This never happened. Amtrak has swallowed $35 billion in subsidies, and they’re increasing by more than $1 billion annually.
    .
    Despite the subsidies, Amtrak does not provide low-cost transportation. Longtime critic Randal O’Toole of the Cato Institute recently planned a trip from Washington to New York. Noting that fares on Amtrak’s high-speed Acela start at $139 one-way, he decided to take a private bus service. The roundtrip fare: $21.50. Nor does Amtrak do much to relieve congestion, cut oil use, reduce pollution or eliminate greenhouse gases. Its traffic volumes are simply too small to matter.
    .
    In 2010, Amtrak carried 29.1 million passengers for the entire year. That’s about about 4 percent of annual air travel (2010 estimate: 725 million passengers). It’s also roughly a quarter of daily automobile commuters (124 million in 2008). Measured by passenger-miles traveled, Amtrak represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the national total.

    .
    All Aboard the Coo-coo Train!!
    .
    http://www.newsweek.com/2011/02/16/high-speed-rail-is-a-fast-track-to-government-waste.html
    .

    “In a statement Wednesday, Mr. Scott said cost overruns related to the Tampa-to-Orlando line could leave Florida taxpayers with a $3 billion tab. He also said he believed ridership and revenue estimates for the rail line were too optimistic, and that state taxpayers would have been left to pay for subsidies to keep the line running because it would be unable to pay for itself.
    .
    Mr. Scott said that although one study had projected that three million people would use the Tampa-to-Orlando line annually, he pointed out that only 3.2 million people rode Amtrak’s Acela trains in the Northeast corridor in 2010, even though the population centers along the Acela route have as much as eight times the population of the area serviced by the proposed Florida line.”

    .
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/us/17rail.html
    .
    But, don’t let facts and the truth, along with history stop you all. Keep on believing in the Obama “Hope and Change” meme. One day he just might come up with something brilliant.

  • nflfoghorn

    He’s only had roots here in the last decade, BTW.

  • nflfoghorn

    No, but he was extremely vague (and remains so) when it came to how he’d do all of this (create 700K jobs in 7 years for example). Doesn’t like the media (doesn’t read the state papers) and hires a PR sycophant as a “pool reporter.” Holy jeez.

  • lepidusxvi

    As I said, I tentatively think he’s insane based on what facts I have. If it turns out that Florida would be on the hook, he at least has a defense for killing it.
    .
    But your point above is absurd given the article we’re responding to includes this quote:
    .
    “LaHood also worked out a deal to make sure that private businesses competing to build and run the line would assume responsibility for cost overruns and operating expenses.”

  • nflfoghorn

    Great job taking down Texpee [sic] BTW :)

  • freeinpa

    “But that’s not how the high-speed rail program works. When newly elected Republican governors Scott Walker of Wisconsin and John Kasich of Ohio scuttled their high-speed programs, their money was redistributed to states like Florida. Now it will be re-redistributed nationwide.”

    .
    . So once again the federal government knows better than the state and local governments what is needed in their areas and the federal government cry of “get in their and spend, spend, spend ” is intact!

  • square1

    Rusty, you appear to be ignorant of a couple of key facts:
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    1. Scott’s actions denied Florida the train, but not any funding for rail projects.
    .
    2. Florida isn’t on the way to anywhere. If Florida opts out, it doesn’t affect other rail projects.
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    IOW, Scott is simply cutting off his nose to spite his face. Once Floridians realize what an asshat that they elected, Scott will be out on his rear.

  • 53_3

    That’s ok freeinpa, it really is.
    .
    We can use the money.
    .
    By the time this gets finished, and the chips are cashed in, Red regions will be backward, with crumbling infrastructure, and bereft of tax money generated by richer urban distracts.
    .
    Keep biting the hand…

  • nflfoghorn

    Freep, if the state or local governments had the $ and/or the cajones to do it, they would’ve stepped up long ago!

  • 7shores

    Who thinks we need a rail connection between Tampa and Orlando? I lived in Tampa for 4 years. Want to know how many times I travelled to Orlando in 4 years? Once.

    Yes, there is daily commuter traffic on I-4 but most of it is from the suburbs to the cities on both ends — the middle is mostly empty. It isn’t like we have this mass of people looking for high speed transit between Tampa and Orlando.

    I agree with Gov. Scott on this one. It would just waste money that would be better spent elsewhere.

  • nflfoghorn
  • newfreedomblog

    While in other news. An un-planned Teacher Strike in Wisconsin, one teacher thought it would be a good “learning experience” to bring her students along for the ride.
    .
    http://nation.foxnews.com/culture/2011/02/16/teachers-bring-their-students-union-protest
    .
    How sweet.
    .
    Next up, newly organized TSA workers invite Muslim Terrorists to their planned strikes. Sorry, got that wrong, TSA on strike invites Muslim Terrorists to attack USA airlines.
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    Maybe I am wrong, maybe this Coo-coo train idea of Obama’s would be a good idea. Do you think the terrorists will blow up high speed rail?
    .
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3500452.stm
    .
    Yup, won’t work either.

  • nflfoghorn

    The “this happened to me or somebody I know so it must be true for everybody” defense. :(

  • 53_3

    What gets me is that Beam Me Up Scotty decided that income redistribution ain’t all bad.
    .
    His “long list of alternatives” is designed to keep his promises afloat. Even a teabagger politician is still a politician.
    .
    I’m glad his “list” won’t get funded.
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    Sorry, foghorn, I know you live there, but I think that convincing the American people of the errors of the far rights’ ways, they (along with all of us) will have to actually live it, face some hard times ahead, and see how they like it.
    .
    I have a sneaking hunch they won’t…

  • freeinpa

    “Freep, if the state or local governments had the $ and/or the cajones to do it, they would’ve stepped up long ago”
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    Yes in years gone by politicians had no problem spending all the taxpayer money they could muster. Now common sense is taking over.

    Let’s see: future for our grand children or bullet trains to Magic Mountain? Tough choice –for the left. Conflicted by spend spend spend and their punch line “for the children”

  • newfreedomblog

    “But your point above is absurd given the article we’re responding to includes this quote:
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    “LaHood also worked out a deal to make sure that private businesses competing to build and run the line would assume responsibility for cost overruns and operating expenses.”

    .
    Absurd like this??
    .
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/02/14/obamas-budget-plan-runaway-train/
    .

    “Even California, that famous incubator of pipedreams, is having second thoughts. The state has proposed an 800-mile high-speed rail plan from San Diego to San Francisco. Bay area residents are now protesting that the line will damage property values, while Central Valley farmers complain the line will ruin their land. The greater wonder is how the state will pay for a $43 billion train even as it’s facing a $28 billion budget gap over the next 18 months and $20 billion annual deficits four years after that.
    .
    Two years ago California taxpayers approved a $9.95 billion bond initiative to fund the train, buying the pitch that it would create hundreds of thousands of jobs and attract 94 million riders. The state’s high-speed rail authority told voters a one-way ticket from San Francisco to Los Angeles would cost $55 — about the price of a Southwest flight. They said private equity firms were dying to invest, and that the train would operate without a public subsidy.

    .
    Keep those objections coming lepidu. I have more where this comes from.
    .
    Oh and those big investors Lahood is talking about, they never showed up in California. Just so you know.

  • tyrantking

    They have the monorail in Epcot. After that, everything else is bound to look inadequate in comparison.

  • CP in FL

    Florida does not have a recall mechanism in the constitution. The governor can only be impeached. However, a new bill being introduced this year would allow a recall for future governors.

  • 53_3

    Don’t forget the much more recent Rural Technology Initiative which helps rural areas take advantage of technology they would otherwise never be able to afford!
    .
    Why?
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    Because their tax bases simply are not large enough…

  • CP in FL

    Governor Rick “Q-Ball” Scott is an embarrassment to the state of Florida. This move just cost the state of Florida 25,000 current jobs and many more jobs in the future. Who would want to come to this backward ass state?

  • 7shores

    Not just me, foghorn. The article you qouted in #18 included this:
    “Tampa Mayor Pam Iorio, who spent much of her eight years in office pushing for rail projects, including a light rail project rejected last year by voters, said Scott’s decision was disastrous and defied logic.”

    Note ‘the voters’ rejected the light rail project when given the choice. Apparently, just like Mayor Iorio, you know better than all of the voting populace exactly what they need.

  • 53_3

    freeinpa:
    .
    Raise taxes.
    .
    Pay your f*in freight…

  • 53_3

    He promised 700,000 new jobs.
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    That is a lot of jobs, even for the country as a whole. Do you think he’ll be able to keep it?

  • CP in FL

    The voters voted against the light rail project because they were being asked to pay a one cent sales tax increase for the project. One cent!!!

  • CP in FL

    He isn’t going to create anywhere near 700,000 jobs. And the jobs that he is going to create are going to be low pay casino worker type jobs.

  • newfreedomblog

    What, no more half-baked liberal comments? You people are slippin’ here!!!

  • 53_3

    So you think maybe he should catch the same kind of shirt that Obama got when he couldn’t get “unemployment below 8%” as some claim?
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    I’m all for tarring and feathering, but I don’t live there…

  • 53_3

    I also think it’s a nice come-around that his “wish list” wasn’t granted.
    .
    What’s good for the goose, is good for the “other” goose…

  • http://gescott71.wordpress.com gescott71

    I think this article completely missed Rick Scott’s main objection – that in the end the rail line would cost Florida billions to complete and operate! The $2.4 billion barely gets it started … isnt’ the total cost to build it something like $30 billion? I don’t think there was any commitment for the federal government to pay for the entire project to completion, and to fund it once operational. Am I wrong?

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  • 53_3

    I guess him and Haley Barbour are not exactly getting hugs from them these days…

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    OK, I really didn’t intend for the YouTube video in my signature in my post above to blow up to a preview…doesn’t appear to be a way to edit it…sorry.

  • 53_3

    Nice diversion from the seriousness. It’s funny. Thanks.

  • 53_3

    c. 8940 bc: “The wheel was nothing but a Utopian taxpayer funded boondoggle!” – One of the last remaining Neanderthal’s, who fathered Textee’s line…

  • newfreedomblog

    Now don’t worry your pretty little head over such things. Why Obambi I hear tell is going to crank up the machine and blow big wads of $100 dollar bills out of his A$$.
    .
    Florida will be just fine.

  • http://jesuguru.wordpress.com jesuguru

    And an irrelevant, ad hominem reference to the governor’s hairline really makes your comment seem “not stupid”?

  • apr2563

    I think all Scott cares about is scamming his state like he did Medicare and Medicaid and walked away after being forced to resign with a huge golden parachute, leaving his company to pay billions in fines.
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    Does anyone really think he gives a sh*t about the state or its residents?

  • freeinpa

    Once again, I know you are a sloooow learner. Problem isn’t revenues its spending!

  • apr2563

    Love you guys.

  • freeinpa

    And of course, if you feel you are under-taxed you are perfectly free to send in more.

    Somehow I get the feeling that you and every liberal on the planet never do that.

  • freeinpa

    “Governor Rick “Q-Ball” Scott is an embarrassment to the state”
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    Maybe be he is no Grayson

  • apr2563

    7shores: There wasn’t a lot of development between the east and west when the transcontinental railway was built in the 1800s. But you know, you build it they will come, residents and businesses.

  • bobcn1

    Bay area residents are now protesting that the line will damage property values, while Central Valley farmers complain the line will ruin their land.

    Fox is lying to you again. I live in the Bay Area. I’ve never heard ANYONE complain that high speed rail would damage property values. Ever.
    .
    The only Bay Area discussion I’ve ever heard about the California high speed rail initiative was whether it would efficiently connect to the local BART rail system.

  • http://boompa1983.wordpress.com boompamatthew

    I can’t believe that he did this.

    We need the transportation so bad down here. We can’t get around down here at all, and so he wants to increase our road-ways.

    Take our train line and make them better. People want to use them we try to use them but they are so behind the times we can’t. The tri-rail from West Palm Beach to MIA would be great IF it didn’t take over 2.5 hours!!

    Having a high speed rail line system through-out Florida would be great! Why would you turn down the GIFT!

    Rick Scott can shove it until he creates these 700,000 jobs that pay more than $10 an hour because WE can’t live on that down here!

  • bobcn1

    …while Central Valley farmers complain the line will ruin their land.

    You’ve got to hand it to Fox. Their lies can be pretty creative.
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    I’d be willing to bet that the idiot that came up with this garbage has never actually been to the Central Valley. The stretch between the Bay Area and LA is one of the most desolate spots you’ll ever see. There would be no farming there at all were it not for the heavily subsidized water that’s shipped in from the delta.
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    And the high speed rail would ruin farmland HOW exactly?

  • nflfoghorn

    The funny (as in ‘ironic,’ ‘not laughing’) thing about all this is that if God forbid a major hurricane comes through Crook’s gonna declare the state a disaster area and will have no choice but to ask the federal government for $ help. But since that would be “free” money we’ll have to pay for someday, now I wonder if he will do even that.
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    Seriously.

  • nflfoghorn

    The baldness accentuates the stupid.

  • 53_3

    See my commentary on “Earmark Idiocy”, freeinpa.
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    Like i said:
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    Pay your f*in freight…

  • 53_3

    apr:
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    A case in point, though I don’t like how Seattle has handled the “gentrification” issue:
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    Ever since light rail was approved, virtually every area along the right-of-way has become completely revitalized since it was built!
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    Everything along MLK Way down to past where the old Pump Tavern used to be. About the only business that is still there is Jack’s Pay Less.

  • mdm130

    After Ohio and Wisconsin turned down Federal funding for hi-speed bullet trains California saw a windfall of billions to finance and continue with planning and right of way purchases for our upcoming bullet trains that will primarily zoom between Los Angeles and San Francisco. It will also connect Orange County, San Diego with Sacramento and San Jose up north. San Francisco has already began construction of a new TransBay Terminal where the bullet trains will connect with BART, CalTrain and MUNI and VTA in San Jose. In Los Angeles the trains will connect in Union Station with the METRO lines. All of the acronyms that I mention are existing trains systems that work extremely well around here. The San Francisco / Los Angeles air corridor is already the most heavily used route in the United States. Bullet trains will do well as the running joke around here is that we can drive faster to LA from San Fran rather than flying. It is true! I tested it!

    Sooooooo…. I give Florida a big hug and thank you for rejecting your funding as we in California will gladly accept it, because as you know our finances are a bit tight right now. Before anyone replies that we are broke is kind of an exaggeration. We are getting our house in order here and the voter’s voted yes for the bullet trains and the bonds being used to finance. Also, Japan and China have kindly offered to help with financing (if we use their equipment…).

    Lot’s of love to all of you! Thanks again!

  • spob

    53_3, how are light rail and high-speed trains remotely comparable? Without question, there is a place for light rail. A high speed train between Tampa and Orlando? Probably not so much. If you’ve got a family and want your car when you get to your destination, you’re probably just going to drive. There has to be a demand for this sort of thing, and I just don’t see it. Here in Chicago, there’s this fantasyland idea that people would use high-speed rail between Chicago and St. Louis? Why? If you want your car when you hit your destination–you drive, if you don’t need it, why wouldn’t you just fly?
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    Perhaps you can find places in US where hi-speed rail is a smart idea–for my money though, they’d make urban rapid transit more rapid. Trains here in Chicago are slower than molasses. If they sped them up, ridership would increase. If you’re into saving gas, how about timing streetlights etc.? Or eliminating traffic bottlenecks? Or studying land-use near mass transit hubs to increase ridership.
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    High-speed rail between Tampa and Orlando sounds more like a white elephant to me.

  • stewartiii

    NewsBusters| TIME’s Grunwald: Florida Gov. Scott Slaughtered Federal ‘Gift Horse’ of High-Speed Rail, Sent ‘Corpse Back to Washington’
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2011/02/16/times-grunwald-florida-gov-scott-slaughtered-federal-gift-horse-high-s

  • troubador222

    Thanks CP, I was starting research tonight on that. First question to be asked if a recall campaign was to be done. This is a pure case of people voting “anti” without knowing what they were going to get. I’m a Florida native from central Florida and now live in SW Florida in the Ft Myers area, just north of Naples where this crook is from. I can tell you most of the people who voted for this guy did not live here in the 1990s when the Colombia/HCA scandal was playing out. People who worked for this scumbag went to prison and people in local government went to prison for taking bribes from the company that gave him a huge severance package to get rid of him. He should have gone to prison too. He perpetuated the largest medicare fraud in history. Its like the senile old farts in our state are so anti Obama that they elected John Dillinger to run the banks.

  • Matt

    Scott has bitten off more than he can chew with this decision. His political career is in jeopardy if he continues basing decisions solely on what his secret group of tea party advisors are whispering in his inexperienced ear. It takes something special to get Democrats and Republicans in Florida to agree on something. This is one of those things. they are all piling on Rick Scott.
    http://www.sunstateactivist.org

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    They can give the high speed rail moneys to PA. I would love to hop on a train here in Erie; the northwestern corner of the state; and go to Harrisburg. Right now, there are only three ways to get to Harrisburg–drive the 7.5 hours, fly or take the Greyhound. Well, four for anybody who would want to take Amtrak first to Chicago or New York before heading down to Harrisburg.

  • troubador222

    Actually the people of the State of Florida did step up and voted a constitutional amendment to the state constitution, directing the government to build this very thing to ease congestion in the transportation corridor. I see one retiree without a clue has already posted here that she travels that route once a month and because of her limited outlook no one else need this. Typical of the idiots who move here and dont realize that hundreds of millions of people travel that route every year and many of them do it every day for business and work.

  • troubador222
  • 53_3

    Spob:
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    Read troubador222′s comments directly above this one.
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    Any transportation infrastructure that has offered easier transport at less cost at higher speeds becomes a hub for businesses to gather around.
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    And remotely related, you ask?
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    Prepare to be fishslapped:
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    They are both high density transportation systems
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    Ahyuh ahyuh ahyuh…

  • 53_3

    Washington state will hug Scott too. Looks like we’ll find funding for the tunnel to replace the Viaduct.
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    Thanks, Scotty!

  • allthingsinaname

    I think FL and WI are seeing how much it cost to save money?

  • apr2563

    The Pump Tavern is gone? I know, gentrification can ruin the history and ambiance of a city. I think of the Public Market. When I was a kid my friends and I would hang out at the Market and 1st Avenue to watch the interesting people. We would race through the alleys risking who knew what. There were cheap movie theaters, tacky in decor but within our price range. It was an adventure. There was also apartments that the poor could afford. No more.
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    However, the last time I was home was about 10 years ago. It took me well over 2 hours to get from SeaTac to Marysville.

  • apr2563

    53_3, you are making me so homesick. My brother brought me a paper back last time he visited. It pictures and articles about past Seattle landmarks. Practically everything I grew up with is gone. Playland, Wigwam, the Bon Marche, SeaFirst Bank, Ernst Hardware…Ah well.
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    Sacramento has a very nice midtown and of course there is the Capital. Everywhere else is strip malls.

  • squirmz

    I think it’s sad that we don’t as a nation have a decent rail infrastructure. Properly managed, it is the most efficient means of transporting anything. In my paranoid conspiracy theory thoughts, I think this is beacause the airlines and other transportation industries which have a vested interest in strangling competition have kept our rail system a joke. If an efficient rail system was implemented it would go a LONG way to reducing pollution, congestion, and fuel consumption.

    I recently took my first long distance train ride and was delighted at the travel time and comfort of the trip. It was like a plane ride USED to be. No hassles, comfortable seating, and no delays. Certainly nothing like the I-95 christmas snowstorm debacle that was.

  • 53_3

    Yup. Gone, all gone.
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    You would be amazed at the change, but they did include a lot of low-income housing.
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    Looks a lot nicer than Holly Park and High Point used to look. There was a loss in affordable housing.

  • 53_3

    It is totally changed.
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    Downtown is an upscale playground for the rich, and is uniquely beautiful for any city core. Even the cavernous canyon look enhances it.
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    It is a very beautiful city nowadays.
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    Want nostalgia:
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    Go north from Denny on Aurora. Never been my favorite part of town, but apparently, Denny seems to have dammed up the waters of progress…

  • http://chileheadcraig.wordpress.com chileheadcraig

    Thank goodness that someone is making some logical decisions instead of “investing” in projects that will cost taxpayers in the long run. Florida is nothing like Europe and thinking that people are going to give up the convience of their personal car to take more time and money to get from point A to B is redicilous.

    After parking at the light rail station, you pay for parking and rail ticket, wait for the train and add boarding time and travel time and what have you saved? Not to mention that once you get there, you have to ride the bus, rent a car or get a taxi to get where you ultimately need to go. Repeat in reverse to get back. What a joke!

    Thank you for throwing this back in Washingtons face. They are the last ones you want to be taking “investment advice” from.

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