On Deficit, President Obama Talks Big, But Goes Slow and Small

On Monday in Maryland, President Obama announced his new budget in an empty classroom, with a globe, a microscope and a stack of books strategically placed on the teacher’s desk behind him. “We’re going to have to get serious about cutting back on those things that would be nice to have but we can do with out,” he said, in the language of a fiscal hawk. “That’s how we are going to get our fiscal house in order.”

At a Tuesday press conference, he made clear just how limited his ambitions actually are. “We’re not going to be running up the credit card anymore,” he said, citing questionable projections that show deficits no bigger than the growth in the economy starting in 2015. But upon repeated questioning, he offered no road map for actually bringing down the outstanding balance of debt, which will top $15.47 trillion later this year, exceeding the size of the U.S. economy for the first time since 1947.

On that score, he told the press and the American public to wait and see what happens next as he begins discussions behind closed doors with members of Congress. “Let’s face it, you guys are pretty impatient,” he said, in response to one question about the uncertain road forward. “If something doesn’t happen today, then the assumption is it’s just not going to happen, all right?”

He said he planned to open negotiations, though he did not lay out a framework. He pointed to the success he had last year in negotiating a tax cut compromise as a sign that a deal could be reached through similar backroom negotiations. “Just as a lot of people were skeptical about us being able to deal with the tax cuts that we did in December, but we ended up getting it done, I’m confident that we can get this done as well,” he said.

What he didn’t say is that the December compromise followed a tried and true formula of Washington deal making. In a contest that pitted competing interests, both sides got paid off. Republicans won a tax break for wealthy Americans, while Democrats won continued tax breaks for middle class Americans. Faced with a choice, both sides ate the cake. The loser was the national debt, which will increase to record levels to finance the compromise.

By definition, a serious approach to deficit reduction would have only bigger losers and lesser losers. Deficit reduction is about taking away the cake–increasing taxes or decreasing spending. Any compromise, unlike the December deal, would by necessity  be painful, and the most obvious fixes would target the most powerful interest groups in Washington–including oil companies and retirees. President Obama’s strategy for approaching this conundrum remains as shrouded in secrecy as the strategy of Republican leaders.

In the meantime, Obama’s own projections of budget stability in the out-years is almost certain to not come to pass as envisioned. He has baked in a number of expected tax increases–for oil companies, mortgage interest and charitable donations–that have slim support in Congress and powerful interest groups in opposition. Obama said he was optimistic that proposals that has been shot down in the past will be adopted. “I think what’s different is everybody says now that they’re really serious about the deficit,” he said. He has sounded optimistic notes like this in the past as well.

“What we’ve done is to try to take this in stages,” Obama continued. “What we say in our budget is let’s get control of our discretionary budget to make sure that whatever it is that we’re spending on an annual basis, we’re also taking in a similar amount. That’s step number one. Step number two is going to make — is going to be how do we make sure that we’re taking on these long-term drivers, and how do we start whittling down the debt?”

As it now stands, step number one seems to involve a great deal of wishful thinking and optimistic math. And there is no clear plan for how or when to proceed with step number two.

On Monday in Maryland, the president said he wanted the federal government to behave more like a regular family. “That’s what families across the country do every day–they live within their means and invest in their family’s future,” Obama said. “And it’s time we do the same thing as a country.”

It was a nice thought, using rhetoric that tests well among focus groups. But President Obama has still not presented a plan for how to make it happen. Nor, for that matter, have Republican leaders. By all appearances, the song remains the same.

Related Topics: debt, deficits, Barack Obama, Budgets, White House
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  • liberalmeltdown

    Obama blow ups the deficit and then proposes to cut the budget by a few billion. It’s a joke.
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    http://www.cnsnews.com/node/72404
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    Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents from Washington Through Reagan Combined, Says Gov’t Data
    In the first 19 months of the Obama administration, the federal debt held by the public increased by $2.5260 trillion, which is more than the cumulative total of the national debt held by the public that was amassed by all U.S. presidents from George Washington through Ronald Reagan.

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  • uhasan8

    I hope there’s not some unwritten rule about not reposting something you said in another comment, but I think it applies here:
    The deficit is obviously unsustainable, and while discretionary cuts are part of the remedy, without addressing entitlements and defense we’ll get no where.

    While I don’t support a tax increase in this economy, I think it should be reformed in ways that raise revenue. One place to start would be the Capital Gains tax. Currently the low levels of taxation would continue until 2012. I think it should be kept that way, but in 2012 we should restructure it. Right now there’s one tax level for short term (less than one year) taxed at your income tax level, and a lower tax for income on investments held for more than 1 year. I think we should stratify this a bit more to 6 months, 1 year, and 5 years, with a net tax decrease on long term investments, and an increase on short term gains. i think this will increase revenue, decrease short selling, and encourage long term investment.

  • Paul-no not that one

    It sounds as if this is an area you know about.
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    Do you have data to show, using your formula, what the result would have been in dollars in any recent period.
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    More plainly put- What would be the increase in revenue?
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    Certainly anything that would encourage long term investment would be a good thing.

  • uhasan8

    I’ll be honest, I don’t have any expertise in this area, I am not an economist. It may be my idea is rubbish, and it decreases revenue. I think it would depend on the amount of investments that actually turn a profit when held for less than 6 months, which I can’t find data on.

    The larger point i believe, is that the deficit can’t be addressed by cuts alone (and certainly not discretionary cuts alone). But to increase taxes might hurt the economy, so we need to reform our tax laws. But (if its not a cop out to say this), I’ll leave it to better men to figure out how.

  • rdw56

    increases in capital gains rates decrease revenues. Decreases in capital gains tax rates increase revenues. This is every time.

  • rdw56

    This is what Reagan did in 1986 and this deficit commission recommended with many fewer deductions in exchange for lower rates. It’s moving in the direction of the classic flat tax with no deductions.

    The 86 deal was designed to be revenue neutral. Reagan wasn’t a tax cutter. He was a marginal tax rate cutter, The Idea was to get marginal rates as low as possible to restore the incentives to work, save and invest. Reagan’s assumption was even though the 1st year was designed to be revenue neutral revenues wold surge as more people worked more and invested more.

    We have a spending problem not a tax problem. Spending at 25% of GDP is unsustainable with any tax system. It has to drop back to 18% – 19% of GDP. In Clintons last year it was18.3% of GDP. Obama’s current proposal is an increase of 37%.

  • uhasan8

    Avoiding the hyperbole of putting the rate at 0, then decrease in rate does increase revenue, but according to the CBO only in the short term: http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=3856&type=0 and not necessarily in the long term. (see about 2/3rds down the page). I don’t think we should increase the rate, but perhaps stratify it, if the the revenue from investments held for less than 6 months is actually worth it. Otherwise keep it where it is, and with the structure it has. An increase in the rate would deter investments.

  • uhasan8

    I agree that we do have a spending problem more than a tax problem. But it may have gotten so bad that we may not be able to fix it without addressing tax reform, because once money is spent you can’t undo it by cutting spending, what is in the debt will be there until we pay it off. The real problem is the decrease in revenue since so many taxpayers became unemployed. Of course putting them back to work is most important, but addressing tax reform until that time is one step we can take. One step, out of many we should take.

  • freeinpa

    “More plainly put- What would be the increase in revenue?”
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    The answer is nobody knows. When investors take gains/losses they are several factors that need t be addressed. 1) Why are they raising cash? 2) what is the valuation of the investment? Is it over valued? Undervalued? 3) how much taxes is the investor willing to pay in any given year? 4) Is it a trade to offset another gain or loss?
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    The simplistic approach of a stratified tax rate also ignores the volatility, risk or liquidity of the investment. It also ignores the regulatory or government changes that may substantially change the long term risk/return profile of the investment.

    Answer all of those issues and you might get close to an answer but the margin of error will still be severe.

  • freeinpa

    “I’ll be honest, I don’t have any expertise in this area, I am not an economist. It may be my idea is rubbish”
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    I would not say rubbish but maybe more complex than you might realize. Separating investments by asset class or structure might be an idea but it will just filth up the tax code which is also an problem..

  • uhasan8

    From my other identical post:
    “It’s more complicated than this, but if i write a wall of text longer than this then I doubt anyone will read it.”

    As for all things we must find the right balance, whether its between how simple/complex a tax code should be when trying to write one with the most efficiency. Or on how detailed a post should be in order to clearly and accurately state your thoughts, but then risk losing people who gloss over big walls of texts.

    I can’t say I know much on how to tackle the former, but I’m working on the right balance of how long posts should be.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    @3.1 RDW: the problem with looking at the GDP to see if the government is spending too much is that by its very nature, given that spending remains stagnant, during an economical downturn, spending will increase as a percent of GDP while decreasing as a percent of GDP during boom economic time. Even if we didn’t have the stimulus, spending would still higher right now as a percent of GDP.

  • pintortwo

    I’ll say the same for this as I would for the republican amendment-bundle that JNS posted on:
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    If Obama (the Rs) can’t even mention, let alone consider a freeze on forward military base / security force base construction and a program-by-program evaluation of all weapons systems looking to cut those that don’t correlate to an immediate threat– “nuclear triad”, multiple-launch missile systems, new jets/carriers/tanks– or other obvious but not convenient considerations like closing tax havens, a derivative tax, easing agriculture subsidies, oil industry tax breaks, Medicare part D– then I can’t take him (them) seriously when they discuss deficits.
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    It’s as if they, and the media in general, want us to believe that since the “Republicans won a tax break for wealthy Americans (and) Democrats won continued tax breaks for middle class Americans”, that’s it. Nothing else to do but cut services to those least able to fight for them.

  • shepherdwong

    The answer is nobody knows.
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    Holy crap, what a smoking-good answer (the whole thing).
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    I think I need to lie down now.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Thanks for the thoughtful posts.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Definition of INVESTMENT
    : the outlay of money usually for income or profit : capital outlay; also : the sum invested or the property purchased
    Origin of INVESTMENT
    2invest
    First Known Use: 1615
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    For Four Hundred years the word investment has meant what you see above. Now hopey changey wants it to mean government spending. Sorry hopey changey.
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    The first posts here start off with a false premise: that government spending is an “investment.”
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    Government spending: pork, wasteful, corrupt, done for political purposes, inefficient, encourages poverty (see the welfare reform act: Welfare to Work). etc.
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    Government spending might help if the money remained in the US. But, it doesn’t; it goes to China. Hence the need for creating jobs in the private sector, and the government doesn’t create jobs in the private sector, INVESTMENT does.
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    Some types of government spending are OK. Secondary education, infrastructure, again it would be much better if the steel and other materials were actually made here in the US.
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  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Psychiatric meltdown,
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    You are randomly ranting and raving with no specifics>
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    The president “invested” in road repair.
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    Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon and Ford as well as Republican presidential hopeful Mitch Daniels all “Invested” in road construction and repair.
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    Psychiatric meltdown, you known nothing of economic history.
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    You are a woefully and willfully ignorant over paid, paid troll.
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    Now, go out and get a real job!

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