Morning Must Reads: Opportunities

President Obama visits Parkville Middle School in Maryland on February 14. (REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque)

–Secretary of State Clinton on protests in Tehran: “We wish the opposition and the brave people in the streets across cities in Iran the same opportunities that they saw their Egyptian counterparts seize.”

–The left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities recognizes Obama’s budget proposal is fundamentally a political document:

…had the budget included a large array of specific proposals for longer-term deficit reduction — ranging from increased taxes to changes in Social Security — that likely would have made it harder, not easier, for the Administration and Congress to eventually reach bipartisan agreement on those matters.  Specific presidential proposals would have invited immediate attacks from lawmakers across the political spectrum and almost certainly led to pledges by scores or hundreds of members of Congress never to agree to them.

–Ezra Klein thinks the Pentagon got off light. Defense Secretary Gates goes off on the House GOP for offering $14 billion less in defense funds.

–Nytimes.com has a nifty budget graphic.

–Andrew Sullivan, who’s been a reliable Obama booster that always seems to see a “long game” in the President’s maneuvering, excoriates his budget proposal.

–Obama will hold a press conference (one presumes on budgetary matters) at 11 a.m. ET.

–As one would expect, Mitt Romney is way ahead in New Hampshire (albeit in very early polling on an opaque field.) Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin think the headline is Sarah Palin’s tepid showing.

–Nate Silver parses the field and concludes, for now, it’s weaker than usual:

So it does look like Republicans have some legitimate reason to worry. In the previous five competitive primaries — excluding 2004 for the Republicans, when Mr. Bush won re-nomination uncontested — each party had at least two candidates whose net favorability ratings were in the positive double digits, meaning that their favorables bettered their unfavorables by at least 10 points. All five times, also, the nominee came from among one of the candidates in this group. Republicans have no such candidates at this point in time.

–Haley Barbour issues a statement saying his former lobbying firm BGR Group “never advocated amnesty for illegal aliens,” but doesn’t deny working on immigration issues for the Mexican government.

–If you asked observers in early 2009 which Obama cabinet member or economic adviser would be first out the door, most of them would have said Tim Geithner. From Noam Scheiber’s worthwhile profile:

And yet, at the midway point of Barack Obama’s first term, Geithner is the lone remaining member of the president’s original economic team and arguably the administration’s second-most valued official. Indeed, that the White House was willing to let him face down Issa is only the latest sign of a rather remarkable transformation. (Issa ultimately blinked.) Geithner owns the economic portfolio with China and has been tasked with confronting Republicans over the nation’s debt limit. He has taken the lead on corporate tax reform and overhauling Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. With his former lieutenant, Gene Sperling, now running the National Economic Council, Geithner will no longer form part of the multiheaded “war cabinet” that included Sperling’s predecessor, Larry Summers. He is set to play the first-among-equals role of a traditional treasury secretary.

Edward Glaseser writes the triumph of the Fannie and Freddie report may be that it acknowledges rental: “This does not mean our goal is for all Americans to be homeowners.”

–Just in case you were wondering: The House did extend those Patriot Act surveillance measures.

–And India’s foreign minister is pretty much the Ron Burgundy of the U.N.

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  • newfreedomblog

    You have heard of the “Third Way”, this is the Democrat Way
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    “Dan Newman of SCN Strategies, one of the three people leading the anti-Issa campaign, declines to disclose how much is being spent on the effort or who is bankrolling it, telling POLITICO it is being paid for by “patriotic Americans who don’t want to see the potential of an ethically challenged congressional investigator run amok with McCarthyesque fishing expeditions.”
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    The structure of the organization does not require that it disclose its funding.
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    But the goal is clear: Newman, Smith and the third partner, Sean Clegg, want to raise enough questions about Issa’s background and personal history that anything he turns up in probes of the Obama administration will be immediately discredited.”

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    Wow. The lengths some people will go to. Unreal.

  • newfreedomblog

    Was there any doubt? “Egypt: Muslim Brotherhood plans political party”
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    Now what do our liberal friends say about this. Can’t wait for the likes of Chris “Tingles” Matthews and others of his kind to explain this one. They were all ga-ga goo-goo, and touting the virtuousness of the Muslim Bros.
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    Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you.

  • newfreedomblog

    Up….UP….and Away!!
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    Next up, increases in the cost to borrow money.
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    Jimmy Carter, where are you? Are you the one that has been advising Barry Obama all of this time. Gee you are so sneaky.

  • newfreedomblog

    Hitting the Reset Button – Will the Government be SHUTDOWN?
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    Lawmakers from both parties stress they want to avoid a rerun of the stalemate that led to a shutdown in late 1995 and early 1996. But the rhetoric on spending has escalated, and Democratic and GOP officials are already prepping for the blame game.
    Positions have hardened after a revolt last week by House conservatives, who forced GOP leaders to nearly double their proposed spending cuts for 2011.
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    If the cuts pass the House, Senate Democrats say they are dead on arrival in the upper chamber.

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    A golden opportunity for the Tea Party elected members to force both the GOP as well as Obama’s hand. To force deep cuts into ALL government spending and put this country back on the right track.

  • newfreedomblog

    Senator Aripaio?
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    Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio led a field of potential Republican Senate candidates in Arizona with 21 percent in a poll of likely GOP primary voters last week.
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    Rep. Jeff Flake, who announced his candidacy for the seat of retiring Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) on Monday, finished second with 16.8 percent in the Summit Consulting Group survey. Former Rep. J.D. Hayworth took third, with 16.6 percent. He was unsuccessful in his primary challenge to Sen. John McCain last year.”

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    Go Joe Go!! Who did TIME.com write a post in the swamp on? Flake. Why?

  • kryptik1

    South Dakota considers state law that would make killing Abortion Providers a “Justifiable Homicide”

    A law under consideration in South Dakota would expand the definition of “justifiable homicide” to include killings that are intended to prevent harm to a fetus—a move that could make it legal to kill doctors who perform abortions. The Republican-backed legislation, House Bill 1171, has passed out of committee on a nine-to-three party-line vote, and is expected to face a floor vote in the state’s GOP-dominated House of Representatives soon.

  • newfreedomblog

    Who are the Faithful In Congress. Who are not.
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    Perhaps the greatest disparity between the religious makeup of Congress and the people it represents, however, is in the percentage of the unaffiliated — those who describe their religion as atheist, agnostic or “nothing in particular.” According to information gathered by CQ Roll Call and the Pew Forum, no members of Congress say they are unaffiliated. By contrast, about one-sixth of U.S. adults (16%) are not affiliated with any particular faith. Only six members of the 112th Congress (about 1%) do not specify a religious affiliation, which is similar to the percentage of the public that says they don’t know or refuses to specify their faith.

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    How many in the swamp? Close to 90%. Ladies and Gentlemen, now we know why the swamp is so twisted, and why there are so many left-wing nutjobs here. The fringe of the left have taken over the swamp!!

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    What basis do you intend to deny political participation to the MB’s? For someone who claims to be pro-freedom you seem to be mighty interested in supressing rights.

  • newfreedomblog

    Thanks to the Unions, we won’t be able to fire these crooks
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    Flying soon? Better keep your hand firmly on your wallet.

  • newfreedomblog

    Gee Dicks, did I say anywhere that the Muslim Bros shouldn’t be allowed? Nope.
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    Are the MB’s as you mundanely call them radical, terrorist supporters? Yup.
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    Why do you support a known terrorist organization?

  • jsfox

    So?Why is this surprising let alone scary? They were invited to the table.

    The military’s choices for the panel’s makeup were a sign of the new political legitimacy of the Muslim Brotherhood, the fundamentalist group that was the most bitter rival of Mubarak’s regime. Among the panel’s members is Sobhi Saleh, a former lawmaker from the Brotherhood seen as part of its reformist wing.

    [snip]

    But others – including the secular, liberal youth activists who launched the anti-Mubarak uprising – say the Brotherhood has to be allowed freedom to compete in a democracy alongside everyone else. Support by young cadres in the Brotherhood was key to the protests’ success, providing manpower and organization, though they never came to form a majority in the wave of demonstrations.

    (both quotes from your link)

    You can either keep them a shadow outlawed org or you can bring them out into the sunlight.

  • diecash1

    Thanks for the link.
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    That’s totally unbelievable. Don’t these fundamentalist nutters realize that a doctor performing an abortion is a legal act? Apparently not. Whether you’re pro-choice or pro-life, it’s completely out-of-bounds to support the killing of a doctor for performing a legal procedure. These people are idiots.

  • doddeb

    kryptik1: I was reading this article as you were posting it (incredulously I might add). Another part is worth quoting:
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    “The bill, sponsored by state Rep. Phil Jensen, a committed foe of abortion rights, alters the state’s legal definition of justifiable homicide by adding language stating that a homicide is permissible if committed by a person “while resisting an attempt to harm” that person’s unborn child or the unborn child of that person’s spouse, partner, parent, or child. If the bill passes, it could in theory allow a woman’s father, mother, son, daughter, or husband to kill anyone who tried to provide that woman an abortion—even if she wanted one.”
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    The wingers are always going on about preventing sharia law in the U.S. What does this paragraph sound like to you? Un.flucking.believable.

  • m0mentom0ri

    Time to dust off this quote from our resident right wing lunatic, NewFreedomBlog. This is what he’s saying when he’s speaking to his own on a Tea Party Forum.
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    “I am also not a religious zealot or fundamentalist, but this also REEKS in connections to writings I have read on how the Anti-Christ will take over the world. Just saying. Get out your copies of the Late Great Planet Earth and other various once widely believed science fiction books on the apocalypse. “

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    If that’s the kinda crap that passes for religion where Rusty come from, I want nothing to do with it.
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    And remember folks, when you argue with Rusty, you’re arguing with a fanatical nutcase. The alternative is that he’s trying to deceive others into thinking Obama has Demonic origins. Which is even more despicable than if he believes it himself.

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  • jsfox

    Care to explain to me to how unions have anything to do with this story?

    He pleaded guilty to the charges against him and faces 15 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. He will be sentenced on May 24.

    (your link)

  • Matt

    Presidential budgets are political piñatas. They are inherently irrelevant documents that are guaranteed to be sliced and diced and fundamentally changed before anything is passed by Congress. This hand-wringing from the left and the right about this program or that program, this trillion or that trillion…it doesn;t matter.
    http://www.sunstateactivist.org

  • newfreedomblog

    Mori-the-moron you’re back!!! Yea!! I thought you were leaving the swamp?
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    Oh and care to provide a link to your supposed quote from me?

  • kryptik1

    It’s insane, isn’t it? They don’t care about actually protecting people from the religious extremism they say they oppose in Sharia Law. They just want to maintain their own brand of it at exclusion of others. It’s not principle, it’s marketing and competition.

  • newfreedomblog

    The Dominoes are Falling….One after the Other
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    DUBAI, United Arab Emirates – Thousands of protesters poured into a main square in Bahrain’s capital Tuesday in an Egypt-style rebellion that sharply escalated pressure on authorities as the Arab push for change gripped the Gulf for the first time.
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    Security forces have battled demonstrators over two days, leading to the deaths of two protesters. In a clear sign of concern over the widening crisis, Bahrain’s King Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa made a rare national TV address, offering condolences for the deaths, pledging an investigation into the killings, and promising to push ahead with reforms, which include loosening state controls on the media and Internet.

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    Dominoes. Once one goes, the entire thing collapses. What will the ultimate outcome be?
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    Makes one feel real secure in the thought we have a highly touted former Community Organizer in charge, yes?

  • pintortwo

    ..from the Nofreedom link..
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    “Egypt’s long banned Muslim Brotherhood said Tuesday it intends to form a political party once democracy is established, as the country’s new military rulers launched a panel of experts to amend the country’s constitution enough to allow democratic elections later this year.

    Essam el-Arian, a prominent Brotherhood figures, said the movement would not run any candidate for upcoming presidential elections…
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    “We are not going to have a candidate for the upcoming presidential elections. Its time for solidarity, its time for unity, in my opinion we need a national consensus,” he said…”

  • freeinpa

    I wonder if Obama and the left will show any outrage of GM’s bonus plan as they did for Wall St. There seems to be silence this time as to how TARP should be re-paid before paying bonuses.

    Less than two years after entering bankruptcy, General Motors will extend millions of dollars in bonuses to most of its 48,000 hourly workers as a reward for the company’s rapid turnaround after it was rescued by the government.

    The payments, disclosed Monday in company documents, are similar to bonuses announced last week for white-collar employees. The bonuses to 76,000 American workers will probably total more than $400 million — an amount that suggests executives have increasing confidence in the automaker’s comeback.

    In the four years leading up to its 2009 bankruptcy, GM piled up more than $80 billion in losses and was burdened by enormous debt and costly labor contracts.

    The government has been repaid $23 billion but needs $26.4 billion more to recoup its whole investment

  • pintortwo

    Once one goes, the entire thing collapses. What will the ultimate outcome be?
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    Democracy.

  • chupkar

    Yet another reason I am glad to have left that state. Awful :( And very very very hypocritical.

  • nflfoghorn

    RustFreep must’ve had his coffee spiked this a.m.
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    I assume he’s thinking that if he posts early and often he’ll change folks’ minds.
    Good luck with that.

  • jsfox

    So freedom for me, but not for thee.

    The right needs to make up it’s f’ing mind. Either they are for democracy or they aren’t. Either they are for letting the people decide how they want to be governed or they are not.

    Unless you think they only way we should permit the countries to begin to throw off authoritarian regimes is at the point of our guns.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Continuing from yesterday:
    Last night JCapan wrote @33.4:
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    You know, Pat, I just now caught this, but I’d been thinking all day (given your absense and the continued feeding) that I was wrong. Clearly, I’m the odd f@cking duck around here. Forget I ever said anything–go about your business. If there’s anyone needing to reassess his contributions here, it’s me.

    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/02/14/morning-must-reads-budget-day/#ixzz1E2ZOxGUr

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    An hour and a half ago I responded:

    “Clearly, I’m the odd f@cking duck around here.”
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    You’ve been an excellent contributor and nobody would like to see you goWingnut troll wrestling can be somewhat entertaining to do sometimes but a little exhausting and annoying more often than not and I totally agree with you that it is far less interesting to read than an actual exchange of ideas.
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    Not knowing enough about computers to know if this is reasonable or not, I would like to see this blog change in this way:
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    One handle per IP address – hence no sock puppets .
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    A line underneath each remark which would say “is this trolling?”
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    If somebody clicks it, they would get a screen to check off either “personal attack on another poster” or “distracting off topic remarks intended to hijack thread”.
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    The first would go straight to a moderator who could easily see if something is an attack on a poster or not.
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    The second would get the post highlighted and if 80% of the people – at least ten in total – agree that this poster is trying to hijack the thread, the remarks get removed.
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    Everybody gets, starting when moderation starts, ten chance of remarks getting removed before being banned from the site.
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    This would allow controversial remarks, but not the one hundred thousandth claim that climate change was a 44 year old scheme involving 20 thousand PhD Climatologists to make Al Gore a movie star or that Ronald Reagan walked on water.
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    That would be fair as far as I am concerned and, unless their is a hardcore right wing effort of paid posters to attack this blog, the voting will allow everybody except the really pig headed from joining us.
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    I wonder if that is possible.
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    The free exchange of ideas unmoderated is impossible when you have so many immature people out there who can get their hands on a computer.

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    I would love democratic (note small d – not the political party since, in theory an obnoxious pain the A could be from either side of the isle ) moderation if that is technically feasible.

    Why, one might wonder?

    Well, if a drunk gets thrown out of a bar by a bartender, they may go home grumbling “I wasn’t drunk! It was fcking bartender” but if a bar with 50 patrons has thirty people jump up and tell them he his drunk and obnoxious and should leave, the drunk might – might - blame themselves.

    I, also, thought that there should be one more option – the Sacredh button – for “totally off topic but fcking hilarious.”

    Who here thinks I have a good idea ( which has a 99.99% of being totally ignored no matter what by Swampland)?

  • freeinpa

    “Either they are for democracy or they aren’t.”
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    Democracy was not the point. The point is that the Middle East is now a powder keg and we have the Keystone Cops here not having a clue or plan. The alliances we have developed over the years are in danger of collapsing which puts our national security at greater risk.
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  • freeinpa

    Seriously what you outlined is a pathetic attempt to have folks on the left silence the ones on the right. Nothing more nothing less!

  • fractal86

    @rusty: “Oh and care to provide a link to your supposed quote from me?”
    Googling your quote tells me you were shown the source last July on the Swampland ( http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/07/22/morning-must-reads-tough-to-swallow/ ) and didn’t try to refute it back then, so why are you trying now?

  • m0mentom0ri

    Even better yet, nutcase, here’s you admitting it on Swampland back in August.
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    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/08/02/morning-must-reads-incomplete/#comment-186413
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    You have to register at TeaPartyPatriots.org in order to see NewFreedomBlog’s comments posted there. They recently locked that out to non-registered members. I guess they don’t want non-Tea Party Patriots to see what they’re talking about either.
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    Nutcase Rusty, do you want me to post your ‘welfare Blacks’ classic next?

  • hippooath

    “Mori-the-moron you’re back!!! Yea!! I thought you were leaving the swamp?
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    Oh and care to provide a link to your supposed quote from me?”
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    I’ve read the link. I’m guessing he’s too chicken to own up to his idiocy by standing by his own words. Like most fanatics of all brands; once the curtain falls and they stand their naked they all run away from their own stupidity.
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    Momentmori – you forgot birther. I think birther says it all about him and Freeinpa. When you divorce yourself from reality the rest comes naturally.

  • jsfox

    So what is it you think we should be doing?

  • np042

    Spy Games: the Ridiculous Plan to Attack Wikileaks

    This, of course, is the same CEO and company who were in the process of being hired to dig up dirt for the Chamber of Commerce’s politcal opponents. Classy.

  • hippooath

    jsfox,
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    The logic is that they’re about to unionize and as we all know all unions are run by the mob (see any tv show; if you can believe the birther crap and someone like Rush then you can also believe TV shows to be real).
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    Criminal+TSA+Union=union is guilty
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    Wouldn’t it be ironic if the guy is a registered Republican?

  • garylk

    I like the free, unmoderated exchange of ideas. It does get a little monotonous when newfreeinpa floods the comments with 5 or 6 posts in a row, but as long as he is busy cutting and pasting, he has no time to actually act on his unhinged beliefs.

  • hippooath

    “Democracy was not the point. The point is that the Middle East is now a powder keg and we have the Keystone Cops here not having a clue or plan. The alliances we have developed over the years are in danger of collapsing which puts our national security at greater risk.”
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    Sorry, but democracy is exactly the point. We don’t live there and we have absolutely no business meddling in their internal struggles. Middle East have always been a powder keg. Now it’s just a powder keg where ordinary citizens have had enough and want to decide for themselves.
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    Awesome. Do you know why the alliances we’ve developed over there years are collapsing? Because we bet our money on dictators.
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    It’s interesting just how ideologues such as yourself find yourself in a logical bind; you’ve been talking yourself warm about spreading democracy in Middle East and we said that it’s a internal affair. It’s up to the people to fight for it. Now when they are it’s terrible because our sacred alliances are at risk. Make up your fracken mind; stand for something other than what your tribal leaders tell you.

  • deconstructiva

    For those on the right crying about censorship, start here…
    http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2010/03/01/more-from-the-mailbag-open-thread/
    …then scroll down to find a conservative dissenting view…
    http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2010/03/01/more-from-the-mailbag-open-thread/#comment-4092

  • hippooath

    A little extra money to people who worked extra hard to help turn around a company or billions to a handful people who collapsed the economy…lets see here. Reward hard work or reward people who don’t add anything to the bottom line to our economy.
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    One is the American dream, the other is the destruction of our super power status.
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    Sounds like a tough choice.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Seriously what you outlined is a pathetic attempt to have folks on the left silence the ones on the right. Nothing more nothing less!”
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    I am amazed!
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    You wrote two sentences without a personal insult!
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    if all people with internet access worldwide can come to Swampland, wouldn’t it be have folks who want to read and participate in a serious discussion silence the ones who wish to have flame wars and go off topic into settled science, settled economics and settled history to push a totally unreasonable agenda?
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    If it is really true that only 20% of Americans support liberal ideas and 40% support conservative ideas, you should see either only very poorly made arguments meant to go way off topic and liberals forced offline.
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    My goal is to keep to only very poorly made arguments meant to go way off topic go offline.
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    Please don’t re-write the First amendment which clearly states that one can say whatever they wish on government owned property designated by the government for public use when not on the clock at a government job or private property at the discretion of the property owner to mean that I am allowed to show up and talk at you in your home at 4:00 in the morning or vice versa.

  • pintortwo

    Democracy was not the point.
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    Agreed, despite declarations by the Bush (and Obama) administration to the contrary.. and all that noise from right-media. I think it’s clear now that “democracy” is a rallying-cry to coerce Americans into allowing the government to spend ghastly amounts of money in order to police the region. We did not bring democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan, we installed illegitimate governments that we can dominate while building a dizzying array of military bases.
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    The alliances we have developed over the years are in danger of collapsing which puts our national security at greater risk.
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    Those alliances put our security at risk, as do the forward bases. Many locals hate and revolt against what they believe is US sanctioned oppression and violence. Democracy would allow the citizens to address grievances with a representative government rather than seek revenge on authoritarian regimes and their benefactors.
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    Events in Egypt, if supported, will enhance our security.

  • freeinpa

    “It does get a little monotonous when newfreeinpa floods the comments with 5 or 6 posts in a row”
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    Question is it montonous when grape posts 5 or 6 in a row?
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    “You wrote two sentences without a personal insult!
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    if all people with internet access worldwide can come to Swampland, wouldn’t it be have folks who want to read and participate in a serious discussion silence the ones who wish to have flame wars and go off topic into settled science, settled economics and settled history to push a totally unreasonable agenda?”
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    ANd the same can be said for you. It is quite obvious you do “drive-bys” of any conservative on the site and in most instance laced with gratuitous insults. And now you whine when it is returned.

    ANd speaking of going off topic the tirades you go on about are typically off topic and irrelevant. As far as a totally unreasonable agenda, what is obvious that means whatever Sir Patrick doesn’t agree with–talk about 1st Amendment. You continue to try to put on a high-brow faux intellectual face but face it you fail at that.

  • freeinpa

    “My goal is to keep to only very poorly made arguments meant to go way off topic go offline.”
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    That means 95% of yours would fall under this unless of course the Patrick Kangaroo Court of posting is adopted.

  • sacredh

    This article doesn’t really surprise me. Speaking only for myself, I don’t see much difference in religious extremism whether it’s Christian or Muslim. They both justify the most horrible, anti-social atrocities in the name of their religions. They both cherry pick quotes from their religious books and try to adapt their meanings to fit their own twisted beliefs. They both give the mainstream believers from their religions a black eye and pervert the positive messages and teachings that their religions actually preach.
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    Our crazies are just as bad as their crazies. They’re all cut from the same flawed cloth. They both seem to be insane to me and have nothing to do with God, Allah or any other supreme being. You mix politics with religion and the only thing you get is a bastardized hybrid that diminishes both. The lunatics proposing this law don’t seem to be either patriotic, religious or even have a basic regard for law. They sh!t on every principle this country was founded upon and then wave the flag as if they’re doing God’s work. They’re traitors to America. They’re disgraces to their religions. They’re poor excuses for human beings and yes, they’re f**king nuts.
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    They’re the Westboro Baptist church with a paycheck.

  • diecash1

    This:

    Our crazies are just as bad as their crazies. They’re all cut from the same flawed cloth.

    and this:

    They sh!t on every principle this country was founded upon and then wave the flag as if they’re doing God’s work. They’re traitors to America. They’re disgraces to their religions. They’re poor excuses for human beings and yes, they’re f**king nuts

    are some good observations. It’d be helpful if the Repubs stopped pandering to this group of a-holes already but that seems throughly unlikely. Myself, I would prefer if they would follow the Koresh model and form their own little enclaves. I hear Idaho’s a nice venue for that sort of thing.

  • sacredh

    “I, also, thought that there should be one more option – the Sacredh button – for “totally off topic but fcking hilarious.”
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    Me? OT? I challenge you to cite even ONE example from yesterday, the day before or even the day before that where I went OT even once.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    How about just this:
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    No personal attacks.
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    A complaint button goes to a moderator so long as the moderator is not an extreme partisan will remove all posts left and right which launch personal attacks.
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    There is an obvious difference between “ that is ridiculous” and “ you are ridiculous ” and when Freeinpa, Rusty and the far right use the word “ridiculous” it is regarded as high compliment compared to their usual bile and mud slinging.
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    I do wish there was a way we could limit the number of times we discuss climate change deniers, Woodrow Wilson was a fascist, Al Gore is fat, Michael Moore should die and Rush Limbaugh’s “ Barack the magic negro” is a culturally acceptable fun for the whole family sing along for all god loving Americans.
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    I mean when it comes to those topics, I am ready to go back to all of the replies I had, copy them down onto Word documents and, every time I see the same stupidity come up over and over and over again, just paste the replies again and again and again until they get tired of the fact that ideology is not scientific fact and, therefore, can not be won or lost in elections or polls.
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    But doing what I said above might get both the left and the right unwilling to post.
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    Stuart Zechman wrote that if Textee – the ultimate purveyor ofnon sequiturs extreme homophobia and right wing rants ( Stuarts exact opposite) – were banned, that he, Stuart, would refuse to post in protest against it.
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    But, I think everybody would tolerate a lack of personal attacks on other posters.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Momentmori – you forgot birther. ”
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    I also left out:
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    - George Soros is attempting to take over the world.
    - Muslims are restoring the Caliphate, in order to take over the world.
    - Progressives have teamed up with Muslims and George Soros to take over the world.
    - The Muslim Brotherhood and the New Black Panther Party have teamed up with George Soros and the Progressives to take over the world.
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    He’s like a one-stop shop for paranoid fantasies. By comparison, Freepy’s mean and bitter, but at least he’s sane and can be taken somewhat seriously. Rusty’s a nutcase.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “That means 95% of yours would fall under this unless of course the Patrick Kangaroo Court of posting is adopted.”
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    Correction, since literally all of the internet users of the 500 million–1.8 billion English speakers, if my arguments are so far off and yours are so clear and true, then that is not how it will happen.
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    “That means 95% of yours would fall under this If the Patrick Kangaroo Court of posting is adopted.”
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    With the world so far to the right and this being just an obscure, dusty little anachronism in the intellectual sticks, I would be the one being put into moderation all of the time, not you.
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    Of course since I have no doubt that the overwhelming majority of even conservatives would agree that I have well constructed and honest argument I have no fear of being banned. Instead, reasonable conservatives will make their well constructed and honest arguments to debate me if they feel like.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I challenge you to cite even ONE example from yesterday, the day before or even the day before that where I went OT even once.”
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    Sorry. You are right.
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    I’m going to have to put myself into moderation for that one>
    . :D

  • freeinpa

    “Those alliances put our security at risk, as do the forward bases. Many locals hate and revolt against what they believe is US sanctioned oppression and violence”
    .
    So you believe the isolationist put your head in the sand diplomacy is the answer. Interesting. So if we pull all our troops out and close all of our bases, the extremists will no longer try to bomb and kill us.
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    Why does the left insist on this naive view that unilateral disarmament and happy talk will solve any conflict.
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    We now have Berkley, CA working with some left wing “peace”group demanding Gitmo detainees be released and they are offering places to stay in Berkley on the premise they are peaceful folks who will add diversity.
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    One of these peaceful innocent detainees released made his way back to Yemen and Anwar al-Awlaki. Oh yeah he was killed yesterday building a bomb

  • newfreedomblog

    Gee, I wonder who threw out the first ball of crap on this website? Was it a liberal or a conservative?
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    Oh I know, liberals as in plural hands down. Too bad we can no longer go back into the archives to retrieve the evidence.
    .
    The attacks on conservatives on this site have been endless and beyond pale of anything any conservative who frequents this site have made to date.
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    NOW you want to clean up the mess you have left behind? Go screw yourself and the horse you rode in here on.
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    Who in this very thread are STILL throwing out insults, lay claims they cannot back up and overall are the TROLLS on this blog? Look at comments 7.1-7.6.
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    This is also “Morning Must Reads”. The opportunity to post anything and everything you would like to do so. If you don’t like it then move on. Period. As grapey has his propaganda to spread like fresh manure, so do I. I will never stop doing it.

  • 3xfire3

    I find it comical that Patrick and a few other Liberal Extremist on this site are talking about taking actions to bar many of the more active Conservative commenters from swampland.
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    Patrick wants the swamp to be a Pure Liberal/Progressive blog where he and his friends can discuss the issues, pat each other on the back, without being challenged by any mean old Conservative.
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    My perception is that the contributors to Swampland are made of only a few categories of individuals.
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    1. Almost all Conservative commenters posting here are intelligent, well-educated individuals, with substantial real world life experiences and they have achieved good deal of success in their careers and personal life’s.
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    2. A few Liberal commenters are also intelligent, well-educated individuals, with substantial real world life experiences and they have also achieved much success in their careers and personal life’s. Most Liberals, who fall into this category, have stopped posting on Swampland on a regular basis. I believe they are embarrassed by the majority of the Extreme Liberals on this site and do not want to be associated with them.
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    3. Almost all of the Liberals, who do post here on a regular basis, are Liberal Extremist who truly hate Conservatives. This group is made up of individuals, with very little real world life experiences and for the most part they have achieved very little significant success in their careers and personal life’s.
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    Based upon the above information, it is easy to understand why people like Patrick, Apr and others do not want to have their views challenged. Their views are not based on any real world experiences. The only knowledge they have is what they Google. When you live in a bubble and have little real world life experiences you have very little real wisdom.

  • swissArmyBrainBETA

    can’t they just egg julian’s car or something?

  • freeinpa

    “A little extra money to people who worked extra hard to help turn around a company.

    At least $4000 to hourly workers. Worked extra hard? Really? You know that how? Not by longer hours because if they do it’s time and half so they already compensated. To turn the company around? By doing the job they were being paid a substantial amount that forced the company into bankruptcy and caused the tax payer bailout? The only turnaround was buying the cars by the US taxpayer who still have to wait for their money. I guess they don’t deserve the little extra money for working not only to keep their households going but to bail out these folks.
    .

    Sounds just like the typical double standard and left wing hypocrisy.

  • deconstructiva

    Momentomori, good to see you back, even if it’s only briefly (except for today I’m posting less too, this crap-flinging from all sides is tiring). Rusty’s greatest hits are a joy to redicover again and again. Remember when he (under his earlier handle) wanted Iran to launch a missile at the WH?
    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/02/09/robert-gibbs-pokes-at-sarah-palins-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-132308
    …and this…
    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/17/the-nuns-v-the-bishops/comment-page-1/#comment-146457
    (also scroll down to 8.5)

  • freeinpa

    “There is an obvious difference between ” that is ridiculous” and ” you are ridiculous ” and when Freeinpa, Rusty and the far right use the word “ridiculous” it is regarded as high compliment compared to their usual bile and mud slinging.”
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    I am sure you cannot see the absurdity of your own comments. You need to ban yourself.

  • newfreedomblog

    They have to pay those high Union dues somehow freeinpa. Geeze, give the poor blokes a break. Let them use tax payer dollars to support the likes of Andy Stern and Richard Trumpka.
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    It is tax payer dollars going to Unions in order to continue the liberal mess we are all in. It is simple math, man.
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    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2563931/posts

  • robbert5

    Hippooath,

    yes that would be very ironic, however I can already foresee the excuse: RINO!

  • freeinpa

    “Patrick wants the swamp to be a Pure Liberal/Progressive blog where he and his friends can discuss the issues”

    .
    3x if it were only that pure. Patrick likes to pound his chest and go on about how brilliant he is while denigrating and smearing conservatives. Everything he rails against he is guilty of doing. He wants to banish certain topics because as facts become more apparent they do not support his opinions, so he then goes into name-calling and now wants to banish either the opposing opinion or the poster.
    .
    What is at the heart is that he and others cannot get away with the blatant distortions that they have been allowed for years. It is then harder to fool the general public when they and their accomplices, the MSM cannot lie with impunity

  • pelhamite1

    Getting back to your original point, newf, your assertions are, as usual based on absolutely nothing, colored by your twisted world view. .

    .

    Me, I just rotated off the Vestry from my church, although I continue to teach Sunday School. Although Swampland does not call for people to identify their religious views, one can generally tell who is a church goer (Amy Sullivan, for instance) and who is not, and I get a strong sense that the posters split roughly 50/50 down the middle between religious and uh, “less so.” If anything, I think there is a more “spiritual” element to the Swampland blog than several others I have seen (maybe there should be more?).

    .

    I’ll admit my family is not reflective of the norm (whose is?) but in my case my right wing Republican brother is a proud agnostic while the Democrats in my family are fairly devout. So this assumption of yours, like so many others, is one that needs to be re-examined.

  • sacredh

    patrick, it was stacked in my favor. I hadn’t been online for at least the previous three days so I couldn’t have gone OT, but here’s a couple of OTs.
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    Saturday morning when I was leaving for work my car slid on the ice and trashed my garage door. I have to buy a new one.
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    Yesterday when I got to work and they sent me in for a surprise drug test. I love those because it’s a few hours off with pay. I filled the cup, handed it to the nurse and said “Happy Valentine’s Day”. She said that nobody had ever given her urine before for Valentine’s day (what a sheltered life). I’m thoughtful that way. I told her I would have given her chocolates but that was a whole different test.

  • m0mentom0ri

    Nah, it’s a bit early for Rusty to have fully tied one on yet. He starts dropping the “my little friends” when he’s in the tank, usually after 6p or so EDT. It’s a pretty obvious tell, if you look at the timestamps on his posts.

  • afguy

    Why does the left insist on this naive view that unilateral disarmament and happy talk will solve any conflict.
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    Wow. That’s some top-quality straw being used for that “man”.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “It is quite obvious you do “drive-bys” of any conservative on the site and in most instance laced with gratuitous insults.”
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    It’s been eleven months, but, my first couple of weeks learning who was who involved no insults.
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    More importantly, that’s not really what happens.
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    “It is quite obvious you do “drive-bys” of a select few far right wingers on the site and in most instance, the post you are responding to is laced with gratuitous insults and you toss in a few yourself.”
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    That would be accurate.
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    Look for a flame war with Exiled, Swiss Army Brain or self described libertarian Sasquatch.
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    It’s not there.
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    As a matter of fact, one time there was a nowhere post where a completely unqualified Republican was running for the Senate and I made some partisan jokes about Republicans. I apologized to Exiled comparing finding him there is like when you are telling a dirty joke in the locker room at the door and find your girlfriend within earshot at the other end of the door.
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    If you and Rusty never used personal insults, you wouldn’t be getting them from me.
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    In week number two here (maybe week number one) Rusty accused me of being a gay man with AIDS.
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    ( Sorry to actual homosexuals, but, I am a little old school in the fact that I do consider that an insult)
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    If you quick launching personal attacks, Free, you’d be upgraded to boring and insignificant. (Far above your current rank of very severe troll)
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    “Question is it montonous when grape posts 5 or 6 in a row?
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    When Grape Crush made the comment that he thought his comments weren’t interesting enough, about ten or so ( probably more) posters jumped in and made sure that he knew how much his comments were loved by them.
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    False equivalence.
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    If Rusty asks, I doubt he could get more than four – and only his existing allies at that – to say that about his posts.
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    “As far as a totally unreasonable agenda, what is obvious that means whatever Sir Patrick doesn’t agree with…
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    No.
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    When one side of the debate existed of peer reviewed research using decades of analysis ( which applies to economics and climatology where there are consensus on nearly all of the issues you bring up) and the other side is about what you feel like or what you wish to be true, it gets old awfully quickly.
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    I mean, how many times can we hear that, according to you, as far as I can tell, a store with tons of customers walking through the door buys lots of everything has an owner who refuses to hire desperately needed employees because the Federal government hundreds or thousands of miles away has too big of a deficit. This, obviously, is ignoring that far, far far fewer stores are like that now than a few years ago and most stores have far too few shoppers who couldn’t hire anybody without going bankrupt due to a lack of income and could hardly care less how big the deficit is.
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    This cut the governments deficit to make private businesses hire people makes no sense statistically or logistically and can not even be put into a narrative how the cause and effect would happen.
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    “–talk about 1st Amendment.
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    What about you during the hours it is open going to your local public park or in the downtown streets of your town giving speeches or speaking about your political beliefs?
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    There have been more than a few times I wished that, instead of posting here, you had used your first amendment rights. The first amendment is not about my being able to enter your living room at 4:00 in the morning uninvited to speak at you when you don’t want to hear it and not about letting people who wish do things you do not wish them to do to your privately owned and operated blog
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    In most towns the parks are open at least from sunrise to sunset. I would be happy if you chose this time to enjoy your first amendment rights by going there right now to give your speeches over there.

  • deconstructiva

    If uber-conservative Redstate can ban Rusty (and they did)…
    http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2010/02/27/obama-administration-kills-23k-space-related-jobs-in-florida/#comment-30894
    (also see 13.3 here)
    …then why not swampland? (more links coming)

  • freeinpa

    “Saturday morning when I was leaving for work my car slid on the ice and trashed my garage door”
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    sacredh, please give me 15 minutes notice wherever and whenever you are driving. LOL You have a black cloud over you when behind the wheel of a car

  • deconstructiva
  • pintortwo

    So you believe the isolationist put your head in the sand diplomacy is the answer.
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    I think we give often create the conditions that lead to radicalization. Is favoring diplomacy over military intervention isolationist? It seems a more effective way to protect ourselves.
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    So if we pull all our troops out and close all of our bases, the extremists will no longer try to bomb and kill us.
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    The troops don’t protect our shores, homeland security (including local police) does. There is no army that can attack us. If we close our bases there will be far less extremists as they won’t have grievances with us. The oceans are still our best defense. The Taliban, for instance, can’t reach us here- they seek to “bomb and kill” occupying soldiers.
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    Why does the left insist on this naive view that unilateral disarmament and happy talk will solve any conflict.
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    When one nation is armed far in excess of the rest of the world, any disarmament is essentially unilateral. Diplomacy (happy talk) will solve most conflicts. For those that it won’t, we have in reserve the world’s most powerful military– to be used when our security is at risk.
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    Re Gitmo. I think trying all the detainees (jailing those found guilty, releasing those innocent, and acknowledging when we fell short of our own expectations) would enforce the notion that we stand for freedom and rule of law. That alone would go a long way in easing anti-American sentiment.

  • diecash1

    The attacks on conservatives on this site have been endless and beyond pale of anything any conservative who frequents this site have made to date.

    Rustyblogwhore, your idiocy never ceases to amaze. That’s really quite a statement from you considering your long history of spewing hatred and bile. Remember this gem:

    Like I told gysgt the other day diecast, go F yourself buddy!!
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    Weak kneed and limip wristed pansies like you are why we are now worrying about Islamic terrorists in the first place. Had Clinton done his job in the first place we would not even be having this conversation.
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    As you say, “Point two: Recognizing that people, even suspected terrorists have rights is a terrible thing in your world”. They have RIGHTS? You are incredibly STUIPD and NAIVE. Not to mention, TOTALLY INSANE!
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    Your statement says more than I could ever say as to why the likes of You and Obama will allow many thousands of Americans to die.
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    One can only hope that it is you and your family members they kill off first, since you believe giving a terrorist “rights” is the thing to do. Unbelieveable.

    Anyone that is interested can read the entire exchange here starting with post # 7. The block-quoted portion is 7.5.
    ..
    What’s that you were saying again about “beyond the pale” rustyblogwhore? Wishing for those you disagree with and their families to be killed is somehow less offensive? You probably support that SD bill mentioned at 6 in this very thread.
    ..
    All said, I wouldn’t want you to be censored; it’s better than you deserve. It’s much more fun to let you spew your hatred for all to see. Easy and self-discrediting all at once!

  • afguy

    sacredh,
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    Maybe you didn’t post here but I’m just sure you must have gone “off-topic” SOMEWHERE at least once.
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    I just feel it in my “gut” somehow… MIL maybe?

  • freeinpa

    “If you quick launching personal attacks, Free, you’d be upgraded to boring and insignificant. (Far above your current rank of very severe troll)”
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    Quick launch? Not sure what that is. But regardless, you seem to have this over-inflated opinion of what you think matters. It doesn’t. As far as launching personal attacks. Almost daily, I will post something not directed at you or in response to you and several hours later there is a gratuitous attack by you.
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    So not only do you have an over inflated opinion of what you contribute (just take any post and how it goes on for paragraphs and says nothing), you are a bold faced liar!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “3x if it were only that pure. Patrick likes to pound his chest and go on about how brilliant he is…”
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    Actually, you would have to look hard to find posts where I mention myself as being even vaguely related to the topic at hand.
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    I’ve called John Maynard Keynes and Paul Krugman brilliant – but I haven’t ever been in the same room as either one of them and, outside of speaking the English language and walking on two legs, I have, basically nothing similar to them.
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    Also, I have called Climatologists brilliant and the president a good constitutional law professor.
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    I have no education nor training in the least in either of those fields and, by no means, does this credit me with anything.
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    By contrast, Earl and 3X use the citation of themselves incessantly.
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    If you want a back handed compliment Free, here’s one: you’ve never claimed to have discovered anything yourself, you get your misinformation from others.
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    A few times I have described my role. I called myself “a guy in his living room” – as i would you.

  • pintortwo

    PS: Disarmament, to me, is a fiscal consideration. We have far more weaponry than we could possibly use to protect ourselves. The manufacture of which, now, is a wealth transfer to the most elite industries and the most inefficient jobs program imaginable.

  • afguy

    OK, and heeeerrreee’s 3x with the latest in his continuing series of “I’ve Had It’s a Wonderful Life” (sub-titled “And I’m sure none of you have”)
    .
    Learn to differentiate between a dislike of “conservatives” (hello, apollyon07 and Exiled) and sanctimonious, self-righteous twits.

  • diecash1

    Almost all Conservative commenters posting here are intelligent, well-educated individuals, with substantial real world life experiences and they have achieved good deal of success in their careers and personal life’s.

    Yeah because you saying it makes it so. I think that’s another iteration of the “spob doctrine” — I am, therefore I win. Laughable just the same.

  • sacredh

    afguy, Busted! It was so bad at work yesterday that the boss sent me off to work by myself. I was in such a good mood after my drug test that I kind of disrupted the rest of the crew. At lunch we were all talking about the stuff we got for our wives and dinner plans. For like EVERY year in a row I had gotten my wife more stuff than anybody else. When the boss asked me what she gave me I said “Blow job. I love that woman. She always picks something that makes me cry”. One of the other guys sprayed a mouthful of food all over the table and that’s why I spent the afternoon working by myself.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I will post something not directed at you or in response to you and several hours later there is a gratuitous attack by you.”
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    Correction: “I[free] will post something not directed at you almost always with a gratuitous attack on another poster or in response to you and several hours later there is a gratuitous attack by you.”
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    “So not only do you have an over inflated opinion of what you contribute ….”
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    Mind reading again?
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    As usual, your mind reading is 100% wrong
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    I’ve made no statements about my place here other than to refute JCapan’s claim that I am important – and the cause of you posting so much . I have clearly been making the argument that I am not important to this blog.
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    “(just take any post and how it goes on for paragraphs and says nothing)
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    Long writing means that… I think that I am important?
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    It means that I think that the facts I bring up are significant and I am a guy in his living room.
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    , you are a bold faced liar!
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    That makes no sense at all in this context.
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    This is a textbook example of your gratuitous insults.
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    You have to misstate a proven or provable fact to be a liar.

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    As usual, you launched an insult since I dare disagree with you and then whine and cry about the big bad liberals.
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    I mean if you do not understand that randomly spouting “you are a bald faced liar” is an insult….
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    I knew that calling somebody a liar was an insult for as long as I could remember.

  • freeinpa

    “Freepy’s mean and bitter, but at least he’s sane and can be taken somewhat seriously”
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    I am shocked by your response. I will admit to the “mean” if by that you mean I defend my positions with veracity. But bitter? No one who knows me will ever call me bitter

  • Paul-no not that one

    “For like EVERY year in a row I had gotten my wife more stuff than anybody else.”
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    To be fair she may have earned/deserved more.

  • pelhamite1

    Let’s take a quick look at the assertion of 3xfire in 13.12, shall we??

    Almost all Conservatives who post here are intelligent, well educated individuals”.

    .

    Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I direct your attention to “Exhibit A: “textee”. Also, the issue is not really intelligence. It is wisdom. There are plenty of intelligent people who are also wrong about a whole lot for a variety of reasons, mostly a certain blinkered quality. I heartily agree that Paul Ryan, Charles Krauthammer, Orrin Hatch, Haley Barbour, my Republican venture capitalist brother and whole bunch of other people are deeply intelligent; but they have, for different reasons, adopted a set of stances that are deeply unwise, especially regaridng the long term sustainability of this nation and the planet it is on. Those stances are also, frequently, deeply cruel to many and, in my view, profoundly un-Christian.

    but, yes, 3X3, you’re intelligent, if that’s what you want.

  • liberalmeltdown

    The MB is a terrorist organization. Obama invited them to the table; in fact Gibbs insisted that they be at the table.
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    As I said before the MB is like the Mob, the KKK, and Jim Jones rolled into one. Why would you deny them a seat at the table? What a stupid question.

  • freeinpa

    “Is favoring diplomacy over military intervention isolationist?”
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    It can be. If all that you do is talk, rogue regimes globally figure that out and play you. It happened to Clinton and N. Korea.
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    “The troops don’t protect our shores”.

    But they do. Terrorist camps are not as robust as they were and are always on the move. I am sure that Homeland Security also get intel from our troops in the ME

  • pintortwo

    Free, you really can’t compare the two.
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    GM giving less-than $5300 bonuses to hourly workers who had to deal with less as the company belt-tightened.
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    -versus-
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    Top bank execs who share responsibility for the country’s crisis giving themselves record bonuses.

  • np042

    Rusty, did you really just link to Free Republic? I guess it makes sense:
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    Birthers? Check
    Random Obama names? Check
    Irrational fear of Muslims/Hispanics/Other? Check
    Devotion to Glenn Beck? Check
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    I could go on an on, but FR is nothing but a pit of insanity.
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    For more reading, I would recommend Freeper Madness (link). However, I take no responsibility if your head explodes.

  • sacredh

    “To be fair she may have earned/deserved more.”
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    I can’t even argue the point. I freely concede it. I’m not an easy person to live with (or handle). I have way too much fun with everything. She takes almost everything in stride. She’s never even blinked when I’ve done everything from setting my hair on fire (accidentally) to blowing up the brush pile (too much gasoline to get it started) to sticking hardcore porn in the middle of a copy of “The Ten Commandments” that I made for her mom to show at her church for an Easter Service movie viewing. I’d never find anyone else like her. She does deserve more.

  • freeinpa

    “”, you are a bold faced liar!”
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    That makes no sense at all in this context”
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    You can add delusional to being a liar. You are convinced that you never insult without cause. It is nice how you justify insulting me by saying that I insulted someone else first. You still do a drive by to insult me unprovoked.
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    The rest of your last post is your typical I only deal in facts (so of course that makes you always right) but of course most are facts in your own mind. They are twisted and rarely based in anything but your own imagination.

    So you remain delusional and a liar– an isult maybe but true.

    And now I am done with your nonsense for today. You may continue in your delusional world if you like but it will remain unresponded. Do now is a time for you to throw up your hands declare how brilliant you are and take your victory lap. High five all cartoons characters in your fantasy for me

  • freeinpa

    “GM giving less-than $5300 bonuses to hourly workers who had to deal with less as the company belt-tightened”
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    A bankrupt company was less? Tell that to bondholders and equity holders who were screwed by government decree. Where is their bonus?
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    This is nothing but twisted moral relativism. Bonuses are used to reward for beating goals, production and to retain people. In a 9%+ unemployment environment it is far easier to replace 5000 auto workers than 1 Jamie Dimon. Yes they got big bonuses. They also repayed all the TARP money.

  • newfreedomblog

    Well in nambi-pambi land, liberalmeltdown, who else will they support now? The Weather Underground was shut down 40 years ago.
    .
    But, Code Pinkers, 9/11 Truther’s and various other assorted far left libtarded groups still are plentiful. They are just adding yet another extremist group to their fold.
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    Anyone know how Van Jones is doing these days?

  • pintortwo

    Terrorist camps are not as robust as they were…
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    Too understated. Terror camps never existed in Iraq and don’t exist now in Afghanistan.
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    ..and are always on the move.
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    Not really. Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan because we built state-of-the-art camps for them there. I’ve always maintained that the Bush admin should have invaded Afghanistan and did a good job eliminating AQ and their ability to finance and plot. However, from a security POV, there is no reason to stay and build bases. AQ, if it still exists at all, gains no advantage by re-claiming Afghanistan’s caves and rubble.
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    I am sure that Homeland Security also get intel from our troops in the ME
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    Yes. But you don’t need hundreds of bases, and defense of them, to collect intel– you need good relationships with locals based on trust. Diplomacy and humanitarian aid foster that, missiles don’t.

  • allthingsinaname

    Mind numbing, depressing, pointless, are some adjectives that come to mind.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “No one who knows me will ever call me bitter”
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    An assumption on my part based on the general tenor of your posts. You’re right in that I am not someone who knows you outside of this venue.
    .
    My point being: I seldom agree with you, Freep, but I respect that you defend your point of view passionately. I have no problem with that, especially since I’m willing to do the same.
    .
    But Rusty’s a nutcase. Obama’s the anti-Christ. George Soros is taking over the world. Marxists, Muslims, Communists, Socialists and American Liberals are all part of this giant conspiracy to take away Rusty’s transfats. Or whatever it is that Glenn Beck is telling him to be afraid of this week. In fact, I’m willing to bet Glenn Beck looks at Rusty’s posts and says to himself, “Wow, that guy’s nuts.”
    .
    Rusty’s a walking pile of red hot insanity and to argue with him is to become part of his insane world.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Thanks sacredh- that is exactly what I was hoping my crack would solicit!

  • newfreedomblog

    And they are clueless and wonder why….
    .

    12.1Sasquatch,
    Sometimes I think of this as a part of a bipartisan think tank.
    .
    Other times I think of being like the Machine Gun Kelly for the Democrats.
    .
    Freeinpa and Newfreedomblog are just trying p o everybody.
    .
    After a long debate, freeinpa was offline for a week.
    .
    He was going off about the late Senator Moynihan but didn’t know what he was talking about.
    .
    I put back in his place.
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    I think he is changing his pastime to watching old movies instead of coming up with random things about Democrats.
    .
    Newfreedomblog/rusty is next in my cross hairs. He is either going to learn to come up with valid explanations for what he says or change his hobby to stamp collecting.
    .
    Yesterday Newfreedomblog was trying to say that Herbert Hoover was a liberal.
    .
    patricksartor
    March 28, 2010
    at 7:34 am
    .
    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/27/obama-announces-15-recess-appointments/#ixzz1E3McqZH7

  • troubador222

    Issa makes it easy for people to want to look into his background. It is very shady There are a lot of us out here who have been posting those facts in lots of places on line, to make sure people are aware of it.
    .
    I guess you are like Louis from Casablanca “I am shocked, shocked,there are politics here”

  • liberalmeltdown

    I guess this guy is an alarmist. The Bernanke says we need to control the debt.
    .
    Actually that’s pretty rich from the guy that just blew 600 billion monetizing the debt.
    .
    Here is his statement in part.
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    http://classic.cnbc.com/id/41491193/
    .
    By definition, the unsustainable trajectories of deficits and debt that the CBO outlines cannot actually happen, because creditors would never be willing to lend to a government with debt, relative to national income, that is rising without limit. One way or the other, fiscal adjustments sufficient to stabilize the federal budget must occur at some point. The question is whether these adjustments will take place through a careful and deliberative process that weighs priorities and gives people adequate time to adjust to changes in government programs or tax policies, or whether the needed fiscal adjustments will come as a rapid and painful response to a looming or actual fiscal crisis.
    .
    .
    What the Bernanke doesn’t tell you is that the money from the stimuli and his 600 billion goes mainly to China. That’s why they are starting to have inflation. We don’t make anything here in the US. All that money goes to China by way of Wal-Mart.

  • freeinpa

    For those who still believe that the deficit is the fault of Bush. Link shows graph generated from Budget book. Deficit tripled under Obama and is gorwing.

    http://captainscomments.com/images/Deficit-Obama-2010.jpg

  • newfreedomblog

    OMG you can’t point fingers at Obamao!! Why, why …why…..You hate little kittens, don’t you freeinpa?
    .
    When you attack our “dear Leader”, little baby deer die.
    .
    When you attack our “dear Leader”, another libtard’s head explodes.
    .
    When you attack our “dear Leader”, little patty sartor, lady diecash, moron-mori, decondiva and all the rest go totally berserk. Pigs start flying, and $hit all over the place like a flock of geese. Man ‘o man, why…why…why.
    .
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    You can add delusional to being a liar. You are convinced that you never insult without cause. It is nice how you justify insulting me by saying that I insulted someone else first. You still do a drive by to insult me unprovoked.

    .
    Usually the insult is either a response to your insulting somebody else on that thread but, if you insult me the day before and start writing about hamsters…. You might as well have written a “kick me” sign on your ass.
    .
    If you went for a few days refraining from your incessant generalized insults about liberals and responded to one day or one week old return remarks with “Hey, I want to keep it civil, but you won’t stop….” then peace is possible with you.
    .
    But whenever you lose an argument you start insulting like it’s going out of style.
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    I did not say above that I never insulted you without you insulting me within the past hour.
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    I said that I nearly always am responding to your gratuitous insult of somebody else or liberals in general.
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    “Nearly always” is hard to disprove and you made no effort to, but just – as always do did the most insulting thing possible and called me a liar.
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    …I only deal in facts (so of course that makes you always right) but of course most are facts in your own mind….
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    This is where you are impossible to have a legitimate debate with
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    “…are facts in your own mind….”
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    Wikipedia, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post… are all a part of my mind .
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    I promise you I have never been a writer for any of those things.
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    …I only deal in facts (so of course that makes you always right) but of course most are facts from Wikipedia, the Wall Street Journal, Time Magazine, The New York Times, Scientific websites, Academic papers you locate online…and mine[Free's] come from far right wing commentators who have a point to prove. So, my biased BS beats everything you you say, Sartor.”
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    Fixed it for you.

    .

  • deconstructiva

    Too bad rusty has to hide his real thoughts at teapartypatriots.org behind a registry wall like a coward (see 7.4 above) instead of out in the open here like everyone else.

  • liberalmeltdown

    And rainbows turn black…and butterflies die. Oh the horror.
    .
    It’s time for a moderator, since the left cannot win an argument based on facts, and since name calling hasn’t worked. They put the call in to Big Brother. Typical liberal behavior: The Fairness Doctrine, Political Correctness to the extreme point of beyond stupidity as we recently had in the AZ shooting.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
    09/30/2008 -10,024,724,896,912.49
    3 536 898 130 000
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    This is ignoring the bank bailouts which belong to GWB, not Obama.
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    09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
    09/30/2000 -5,674,178,209,886.86
    4 350 546 690 000
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    We, also, have other Republicans of Bush Sr and Reagan.
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    09/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38
    09/30/1981 - 997,855,000,000.00
    3,694,894,91. 000
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    So, we have over Eight billion of our fifteen billion dollar dollar debt due to Republicans and less than half that amount due to Democrats.
    .
    Am I supposed to laugh now?
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    I know, since you hate America bad situations for this country amuse you.
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    Since I am not an America hating right winger, I feel bad for our country when we elect Republicans who build up our debt.
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    Here’s the link:
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    http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm
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    It’s from the Department of treasury and clearer than your graph. I can not tell what those numbers add up to using your stand alone graph.
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    Once again I am making no statement about myself.
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    I am taking the best possible source of information and displaying it.
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    This isn’t arrogance or anything about me at all.
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    It’s just plain facts.

  • freeinpa

    “It’s time for a moderator, since the left cannot win an argument based on facts, and since name calling hasn’t worked”
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    But you forgot to add righteous indignation and victim status.
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    patrick: See 13.31

    “And now I am done with your nonsense for today. You may continue in your delusional world….”.
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    Apparently reading comprehension is not your strong suite either

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “It’s time for a moderator, since the left cannot win an argument based on facts…”
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    As I said, without seeing your post first, I have no idea what Free’s graph is from.
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    I just did addition and subtraction above.
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    Here’s what I do not believe this blog should be used for:
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    2/15/2011: Free posts misleading graph.
    2/15/2011: Sartor posts actual numbers from a different government website
    .

    2/16/2011: Free posts misleading graph.
    2/16/2011: Sartor posts actual numbers from a different government website.
    .

    2/17/2011: Free posts misleading graph.
    2/17/2011: Sartor posts actual numbers from a different government website.
    .

    2/18/2011: Free posts misleading graph.
    2/18/2011: Sartor posts actual numbers from a different government website.
    …….

    2/17/2051: Free posts misleading graph.
    2/17/2051: Sartor posts actual numbers from a different government website.
    .
    The graph was misleading.
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    The numbers do not lie. The numbers are not members of the Democratic Party. The numbers were not made by the Democratic Party. The numbers were made by an agency held accountable to both Democrats and Republicans.
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    Until new information of equal or greater quality is found the debate ends.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “”And now I am done with your nonsense for today. You may continue in your delusional world….”.
    .
    First calling your debating rival “delusional” is a personal attack.
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    So I ignore it.
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    “”And now I am done for today. You may continue in ….”.
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    That means that you are going to the public park in your town to exercise your first amendment rights.
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    Hurry up, Free!
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    You have only about three hours until the park closes at sunset and you have so many things to say.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Here is what the First Amendment means:
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    You can say whatever you like without the government penalizing or discouraging you in any way so long as it is done on property owned by the government and designated for public use such as streets and parks this does not include police stations, Fire Houses, public schools ( where teachers are always able to silence students who speak with their friends during class instead of paying attention and prohibiting non-teachers and non-students from being at the school without permission)
    .
    It does not mean that you have any right to speak on private property which is not yours . When your Dad used to tell you to shut up and keep quiet,he was not acting against the constitution.
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    It does not mean that you can post here or any other space privately owned by anybody except you.
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    It does not mean that you may require others to not address issues as the owner of the property sees fit.
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    So, if you like the first amendment, please go to a public park or public streets and enjoy your rights to the fullest keeping in mind that people there do not get put in moderation for calling you a fcking as shole.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Too bad rusty has to hide his real thoughts at teapartypatriots.org behind a registry wall like a coward (see 7.4 above) instead of out in the open here like everyone else.”

    .
    And, if you hear this big sucking sound coming from your computers, don’t be alarmed. It is just decondiva sucking up to the writers here in the swamp.
    .
    However, they should be alarmed as she/he/it is a wild-eyed stalker, or so it seems. Jared Loungher’s protege’, isn’t that right, decondiva?

  • freeinpa

    Rusty:

    Hope the moderator doesn’t give Rorschach inkblot tests to some of your liberal adversaries. It will just be you, I and a couple of other folks left here as it is clear several have clearly stepped off the curb today.

    IO guess the question though, do you think it was environmental or genetic?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “And, if you hear this big sucking sound coming from your computers, don’t be alarmed. It is just decondiva sucking up to the writers here in the swamp.
    .
    So, according to Rusty, disagreeing with everybody about everything all of the time is only way to be respectable since decon is in the majority opinion?
    .
    So, I guess that sucking sound I hear now is you and Freak having a late Valentine’s Day moment like Sacred and the Mrs?
    .
    Get a hotel!

  • freeinpa

    Patrick:

    Once again your debates like your sex life will be executed single-handedly by YOU!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Hope the moderator doesn’t give Rorschach inkblot tests to some of your liberal adversaries. It will just be you, I and a couple of other folks…
    .
    “So not only do you have an over inflated opinion of what you contribute (just take any post and how it goes on for paragraphs and says nothing), you are a bold faced liar!
    .

    Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person unconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others have those feelings.[1]

    Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted unconscious impulses or desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them.

    An example of this behavior might be blaming another for self failure. The mind may avoid the discomfort of consciously admitting personal faults by keeping those feelings unconscious, and by redirecting libidinal satisfaction by attaching, or “projecting,” those same faults onto another person or object.

    .
    I’m sorry, but I’m supposed to think that I am so important here?
    .
    If you ever leave, you will not be missed.
    .
    You will be forgotten.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Once again your debates like your sex life will be executed single-handedly by YOU!”
    .
    I don’t praise other posters enough or are you trying to make a masturbation joke?

  • newfreedomblog

    Who is the new “moderator” freeinpa? I didn’t know we got one here in the swamp. Or are you talking about lame-brained pattysartor and his most recent quest to provide a venue for his kind to continue their rancorous debating skills with each other?
    .
    And patty, you are gay. You just haven’t figured it out yet. .
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “And patty, you are gay. You just haven’t figured it out yet. “
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    I think I would have noticed if I had a dick in my ass.
    .
    I, also would be much conscious about my appearance and dress better.
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    No, last I checked it was a woman I was in bed with. No dudes. Not even once.
    .
    It looks like Rusty is completely out of anything even vaguely reasonable or civil to say and has just gone to insulting people.
    .
    ( I said it was an insult, I didn’t say it was the very worst insult. You’ve done worse. )
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    “AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA”
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    Insert Rusty laugh:
    .

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Hey patsy, here’s how you handle it. If you don’t like a f@ckin’ poster, don’t f@kin’ read their posts! Works every time!
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    Whiner.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Who is the new “moderator” freeinpa?
    .

    One handle per IP address – hence no sock puppets .
    .
    A line underneath each remark which would say “is this trolling?”
    .
    If somebody clicks it, they would get a screen to check off either “personal attack on another poster” or “distracting off topic remarks intended to hijack thread”.
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    The first would go straight to a moderator who could easily see if something is an attack on a poster or not.
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    The second would get the post highlighted and if 80% of the people – at least ten in total – agree that this poster is trying to hijack the thread, the remarks get removed.
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    Everybody gets, starting when moderation starts, ten chance of remarks getting removed before being banned from the site.
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    This would allow controversial remarks, but not the one hundred thousandth claim that climate change was a 44 year old scheme involving 20 thousand PhD Climatologists to make Al Gore a movie star or that Ronald Reagan walked on water.
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    That would be fair as far as I am concerned and, unless their is a hardcore right wing effort of paid posters to attack this blog, the voting will allow everybody except the really pig headed from joining us.

    .
    Troubador, Paul Dirks, JSFox, Pintortwo, Liberalmeltdown, Freeinpa, Kryptik, Diecash,doddeb, chupkar, momentomori, sacredh, fractal86, hippooath, deconstructiva, pelhamite, robert5, Matt,… afguy, you and me.
    .
    Got it?
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    It’s called Democracy.
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    You’ll need the greater of ten people or 80% of those who have an opinion to agree your remarks should be removed.
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    You get ten before you have to leave the site for good.
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    Obvious insults like “you’re delusional” would be an automatic removal of your post since that, obviously, is mean spirited.
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    Democracy is a very hard concept for wingnuts.
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    For example, the right lost the 2006 and 2008 elections and said that it was undemocratic that the majority did what the minority don’t want.
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    Democracy includes losing.
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    You’d know what it’s like to be a loser, Rusty. It’s a lifestyle for you.

  • rwbbinla

    I am for it. Shut it down. Let the pain of right-wing policy hit home. In the long run it will be a good thing although the suffering in the short term will be great.

  • rwbbinla

    @11.2.. You seem to believe that there are no negotiations between management and workers. The CEO of the company flew into Washington with his multimillion dollar salary, on Million dollar jet, asking for the handout. He had nothing to do with the demise of the company. It was all the Unions fault that the company had problems and the companies management held no responsibility. Amazing!

  • liberalmeltdown

    Patty if that’s what you need to make you happy, a little button to push and turn in everybody that doesn’t agree with you to Big Brother, just go the ebay discussion boards. You can discuss cats and kittens with all the ladies over there. And there is a button for you to push.
    .
    Just change the channel Patty. This blog is not for you. Go share a recipe with the ebay ladies.

  • paulejb

    newfreedonblog@1,

    My advice to Darrell Issa would be to call Ken Starr’s office. Starr can tell him all about the political assassins of the left wing hate machine.

  • apr2563

    paulejb, the concern is Issa will waste as many or more millions as Starr did with his and the Rep’s bogus investigations of Clinton. After spending years, Starr was only able to prove Clinton was stupid and an adulterer who lied about sex.
    .
    Issa is a showboater who spent millions recalling Gray Davis as governor of CA. only to have his brass ring stolen by Ahnold. After he spent some time publicly weeping, he went on to continue his craving for attention and power.

  • apr2563

    Gosh a hard working middle class guy earning on average $40,000 a year gets a contractually agreed to bonus of maybe $5000 and the the elitist freeper is upset.
    .

    “Apparently, it takes more than the fall of two storied investment firms, a financial crisis, a bailout, Andrew Cuomo, a pay czar, the Great Recession and regulatory reform to bring down bank pay. Investment banks and financial firms are reportedly planning on handing out fatter paychecks and bonuses this year than in 2009. Top Wall Street pay consultant Alan Johnson says he expects compensation by Wall Street firms to rise 5% in 2010.”
    .

    “Goldman employees are expected to receive a collective $16.8 billion, or nearly $500,000 per employee, which is 4% more than the firm paid out a year ago.”
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    Goldman CEO, Lloyd Blankfein had to stumble along with a measley $9 million dollar stock bonus on top of his salary.

  • apr2563

    For the crazy reactionary file:
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    http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/15/ks-gop-rep-obrien/
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    REP. GATEWOOD: Can you expand on how you could tell they were illegal?
    REP. O’BRIEN: Well, she wasn’t black, she wasn’t asian, she had the olive complexion.
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    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/foxs-carlson-the-constitution-is-too-old-to-deal-with-terrorists.php?ref=fpb
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    Fox’s Carlson: The Constitution Is Too Old To Deal With Terrorists
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    “Well back in the 17 and 1800′s, we didn’t have this thing on the war on terror, where we have to get to the bottom of things quickly,” said Carlson. “And if we wait, people argue, to go to a judge, then sometimes that terrorist could do a dirty deed.”

  • apr2563
  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Psychiatric meltdown,
    .
    You miss the point.
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    Have you seen a college campus – since it is obvious you did not go to college, let me ask you if you have ever seen a college campus?
    .
    After class, particularly for political science, history, international relations or, occasionally, economics, the students would go to lunch or dinner in the cafeteria or somewhere and have intelligent conversations about facts they learned.
    .
    Time magazine’s readers are among the more educated. This, I was told, was one of the last bastions of intelligent political discussions left.
    .
    Now, what happens to a drunk kid who shows up in the cafeteria spouting out “Oh yeah…. well, if…. you’re a bunch of homos…”.Eventually this kid is going to get expelled since having the thesis that if the professor does not give you an A, he must be homosexual or a communist ( or, maybe a communist homosexual) really doesn’t create passing grades.
    .
    I don’t think if booted up heroin I would be as insane and illogical as Rusty, Freak, you or Earl.
    .
    If you want intelligence you have to expel those uninterested in learning from one another and the posts.
    .
    I have no idea what Ebay has in terms of discussions. I presume you made that up.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Apr,
    .
    Of the few wingnuts I have seen – quite a few in the slums of Boston and a few here in NYC – as well as people with anti-immigrant attitudes, I would say that 99.9% make that argument. Latino looking equals illegal immigran and never means American born with Latino parents to them.
    .
    One person, I know, who isn’t actually a self identified conservative, strangely enough, wouldn’t believe me even when I showed her an article explaining that the clinic she was at for medical care requires US citizenship to get subsidized aid on the basis that they were speaking Spanish.
    .
    The article I found was a sad one where an illegal immigrant was not getting chemotherapy for cancer after living here, working and – yes paying Federal, New York State and New York City income taxes- but, olive complexion and/or Spanish speaking equals illegal to so many Americans.
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    It’s pathetic.

  • 3xfire3

    Good old “I hate Republicans” Apr.
    .
    As she says “I can find something on some LW website or media to demonize Republicans all the time. I have no other mission in life but to hate Republicans.
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    Apr, if that’s what makes you happy continue your hate.
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    A life is a terrible thing to waste.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    A Smart Politics analysis of more than 500 PolitiFact stories over the last year finds that statements made by Republican politicians have been rated as false at more than three times the rate of those made by their Democratic counterparts.

    Leading the way for the GOP with the largest number of false statements: Sarah Palin with eight, Michele Bachmann with seven, and John Boehner, Mike Pence, and the National Republican Congressional Committee with four each.

    .
    Why am I so unsurprised by this?
    .
    BTW: I would love to be on a blog which forbade obvious lies and stuck real discussions. Take away the lies, and the reactionary right has nothing . We’d be dealing only with reasonable conservatives who, often have some very interesting things to say.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
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    You are the king of hate here.
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    Disliking lies is not hatred.
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    “A life is a terrible thing to waste.” I agree. So, stop wasting the end of yours on Swampland and enjoy some golf or, maybe, Tennis.
    .
    You said that you Winter in Florida ( where you once did exactly what Apr brought up and assumed that olive skin colored construction workers were both born outside of the United States and here illegally).
    .
    Enjoy being a healthy 72 year old. My mother does by keeping on at the job she loves. Six years ago my father had bad arthritis and could not go out and enjoy himself. So, if I were a healthy and vibrant 72, 3X, showing your anger towards liberals is the last thing I would do.
    .
    If I were you down in Florida, I’d be soaking up that sun and going for long walks with the lovely Mrs.

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