Grossman, AfPak and Scooter Libby

Hillary Clinton will announce later this week that veteran diplomat Marc Grossman will replace Richard Holbrooke, who died in December, as Special Envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan. Grossman is an accomplished career diplomat who will do his job in a discreet and reliable way. He’s not a bone-crusher like Holbrooke, but that approach didn’t get the U.S. very far. Maybe a low-key backroom dealer like Grossman will have better luck.

There’s another big difference between Grossman and Holbrooke: if Obama wanted someone who was going to be responsive to administration oversight, which Holbrooke decidedly was not, they are going to get it in Grossman. The best evidence for that comes from the Scooter Libby affair.

Grossman was the number three person at the State Department in May 2003 when Walter Pincus of the Washington Post began asking questions about the 2002 trip of Amb. Joseph Wilson to Niger to investigate claims Saddam Hussein had sought uranium there. Pincus wanted to know whether Vice President Cheney had ordered the trip, and his questions set off alarm bells in Cheney’s office. Libby, who was Cheney’s chief of staff, tried to get details and asked Grossman about the trip on May 29, 2003. Grossman dug up information about it and about the role Wilson’s wife, CIA officer Valerie Plame, played in it, and told Libby about two weeks later. Libby claimed to forget those and more than half a dozen other conversations on the subject, a claim that formed part of the basis for his conviction for obstructing the federal investigation into the leak of Plame’s identity.

In its closing argument in the Libby case, the government detailed Grossman’s role:

I want to start by talking a little bit about Marc Grossman, the first witness you heard from.  Mr. Grossman told you — I remind you, the number-three person at the State Department, Under Secretary for Political Affairs — he told you how, on may 29th, outside a Deputies committee meeting, he was approached by Mr. Libby who wanted information about a trip by an ambassador to Niger.  He wanted to know what Mr. Grossman knew about that trip. Mr. Grossman didn’t know anything about that trip. He had never heard of it, and it bothered him that he didn’t know about it because here he was being asked by the chief of staff of the vice-president of the United States something which he should have been aware of in his own mind.

So he goes back to the State Department.  He tells Mr. Libby he is going to look into it.  He digs around and he finds out some information.  He finds out that there was an ambassador who went.  His name is Joseph Wilson.  He went to Niger.  He reported back.  And Mr. Grossman calls and tells mr. Libby that information that day. Mr. Grossman is not satisfied that he has all the information and wants a report.  He wants something on paper.  He goes on foreign travel.  He comes back.  And July [sic] 10th or 11th, he is handed from Carl Ford, from the state department’s Intelligence and Research Branch, what’s been referred to as the I.N.R. memo, dated June 10th.

This memo contained a paragraph which referred to Valerie Wilson, Joseph Wilson’s wife, and indicated that she worked at the C.I.A. and that she had a role in sending her husband, Mr. Wilson, on the trip to Niger. And as you will recall, Mr. Grossman told you that this fact leaped out at him.  It was really remarkable to him.  He thought it verged on the edge of impropriety.  He thought it was somewhat bizarre.

He sees Mr. Libby again within a day or two — most likely June 12th — and he sees Mr. Libby outside, again, a deputies committee meeting, and he tells Mr. Libby, I have some more information for you.  I owe you this information.  I have looked into it.  I have looked into the question that you asked me.  And I found out, yes, an ambassador went.  It was Joseph Wilson, he did report back. And then Mr. Grossman said another thing.  He said, there is something else that you should know. Wilson’s wife works at the agency.  She works at the C.I.A. Mr. Grossman thought that this was important that he tell this to Mr. Libby.  And why wouldn’t he?  He had already been caught short, in his own mind — Mr. Grossman’s mind — not knowing about the ambassador.

He looks into it.  He is reporting back to the vice-president’s chief of staff, and he is going to hold back this piece of information?  No.  He remembers telling this to Mr. Libby.  And I suggest to you, ladies and gentlemen, when Mr. Grossman told this to Mr. Libby on June 12th, it was the fourth time in two days that Mr. Libby had been told about ambassador Wilson’s wife.  The fourth time.

Grossman didn’t leak any of the information about Wilson or Plame, to the media—his boss Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage was the key source for the July 2003 Robert Novak article that outed Valerie Plame’s position at the CIA. Grossman didn’t do anything improper in responding to Libby’s request for information about Wilson—on the contrary, he was doing what a State department official should do in response to a request for information from the White House. One assumes the current White House will get similar deference from Grossman in his new job.

[Disclosure: I had a byline on a July 2003 Time.com piece about the Bush administration's attempt to discredit Wilson that resulted in a subpoena for Time's Matt Cooper, which in turn initiated a lengthy battle between Time and the government over access to Cooper's notes. I was not subpoenaed and none of my notes were released].

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  • rdw56

    she worked at the C.I.A. and that she had a role in sending her husband, Mr. Wilson, on the trip to Niger. And as you will recall, Mr. Grossman told you that this fact leaped out at him. It was really remarkable to him. He thought it verged on the edge of impropriety. He thought it was somewhat bizarre.

    ********************************************************************

    The reporting on this has been so convoluted. I thought the so-called smear that was supposed to be concocted by the WH? This suggests the State Dept was far more proactive in developing the information and in presenting it. They not only did the leaking they did the earliest and most investigating.

    The comment above begs a question however. If Grossman thought it inappropriate to identify Valerie why then was he so anxious to tell Libby about her?

    At least Time finally acknowledges Colin Powell and the State Dept did the leaking. It’s a supreme irony Colin Powell’s service under GWB will end up a net negative on so many counts. 1st the fact they leaked this was bad enough far worse is they let the WH twist in the wind for year taking the blame for doing so. Pure cowardice, actually backstabbing. But GWBs decision to embrace the surge was a total repudiation of the Powell Doctrine which aside from desert storm didn’t have a single success and that one was almost embarrassing. His record as Secretary of State was diminished on the left for this UN testimony and on the right for his awful management of the war. France openly deceived him and he failed to secure the critical Turkish front.

  • Massimo Calabresi

    I doubt anyone wants to read a rehash, but a few thoughts:
    1. Pincus’ calls instigated the internal investigations government-wide; see the link at the first mention of Pincus which leads to my story (which was news at the time) about CIA digging up details of the trip in response to his query. But in this case it was Libby asking Grossman, so White House initiating.
    2. That the White House tried to attack Wilson after his July op-ed is not in dispute: using the material dug up a month earlier in response to Pincus, Fleischer, Rove and Libby told reporters disparaging details about Wilson, Plame and the trip. Only Libby was foolish enough to try to cover it up later. (Rove also “forgot”, but then remembered when his lawyer learned Cooper had him as a source). Libby is a talented, trained lawyer and his motive for covering it, said the prosecutor, leaves a cloud over Cheney. See the link at “the Scooter Libby Affair” to my and Weisskopf’s cover on the Bush-Cheney fight over the Libby pardon, which addresses the question of Libby taking a spear for Cheney.
    3. On your question about Grossman: telling Libby details of the trip is very different from publicly outing a case officer. There was plenty that was odd about the Wilson trip including Plame setting it up and the fact that the “report” Wilson produced was actually a conversation with a CIA case officer over Chinese food at Wilson’s house.
    4. As for Colin Powell: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1000708,00.html.

  • rdw56

    Thanks much for your detail response. This topic has always fascinated me. I have several questions if you can answer I’d be thrilled but note you’d already been most generous with your time. I expect nothing.

    regarding 1 i was thrown off that Libby would go to a State Dept type for a CIA issue. I assumed Grossman had already been on it as Powell had been and that’s why Libby asked him.

    I never understood the charge of a smear How does the fact Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA smear him? If they put something out that wasn’t true you might have a point. As it turns out Joe was a total putz and a fraud to boot as your own editorial board has written about at least 3 times. Joe writing an op-ed for the NYTs wasn’t an attempt to protect her ‘cover’. Which we now know wasn’t a factor. It was not a crime to release her identity. I thought the WH had a right and responsibility to respond to the cheap shots in his op-ed. I am baffled at your suggestion Libb fell on his sword for cheney. They didn’t do anything wrong.

    The remaining issue for me is Libby. Clearly Bush thinks there was too much there for him to be so forgetful or he would have gotten a full pardon. Why would a lawyer not cooperate fully? His only jeopardy was his own testimony.

  • rdw56

    Read the story on Powell which obviously was written well before the Plame outting. Two things really stood out. That Powell could ever think a conservative administration would support kyoto. Conservatives despise Kyoto. If Clinton did nothing why would Bush?

    The 2nd is his hero status. When did that happen? What did he do during desert storm that was remotely heroic? As chairman of the joint chiefs he was only a bureaucrat.

    You are probably aware of this but among conservatives he and Armitage got a very significant black eye for their despicable behavior over the Plame leak. Bob Novak was furious with both of them. They are solely responsible for the nearly year long circus. Libby is responsible for his own testimony but it never should have gotten that far. Powell watched as the WH went thru hell with a grand jury investigation and how much of a fortune in legal expenses? They knew they were the source of the leak and it was their ethical and moral responsibility to say so, I think in 2000 Powell could have run for President on the GOP ticket and won easily. Not in 2008 or 2012. This is a show stopper.

  • paulejb

    I believe that William Shakespeare probably summed up the entire Valerie Plame – Joe Wilson story best.

    “A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

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