The Four Pieces of the Great Spending Debate

Starting this week deficits and spending will take center stage in Washington. And barring a total meltdown in the Middle East, they will hog the stage for the next three months. The stakes are high. Odds of a government shutdown are getting better as are the chances the U.S. could default on its debt. Odds that President Obama will succeed in passing a deficit reduction passage, meanwhile, are falling. A lot will depend on how much control Speaker John Boehner can exert on his freshmen class. If last week’s dramatics proved anything, it’s that the freshmen are the ones in control. They rejected the first two budget cutting plans, sending the leaders and the appropriators scrambling. “Boehner tried very hard to show that he can get things done, that he can lead,” says Jim Thurber, head of American University’s Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies. “But he has to appeal to the far right. It’s a fine line and these are indicators that he’s not doing well.”

The boiling debate over the size and reach of government is coming to a head and lines are being drawn in the sand. The President says he wants to cut overall while adding targeting spending in crucial areas like education and science. The Tea Partiers want to see massive cuts and no new spending and are looking to prove their credibility on this issue. Caught in between is Congress. Deals reached now could impact budgeting, government funding and even taxation for years to come. There are four main pieces of the puzzle. Here’s an overview:

1. The 2012 Budget. President Obama today is unveiling his spending plan for the next fiscal year. Budgets are inherently partisan documents. They are, essentially, the party platform in spreadsheets. Many of the proposals will never pass Congress; they’re simply cotton candy for the base. In fact, the only tangible work congressional budget committees do are the top line number – setting the overall size of the pie that appropriators then divvy up — and reconciliation, a safety net for spending bills that get held up. Votes on budgets have historically been along partisan lines. So, much of what we’re about to hear on this will be a lot of sturm minus the drang.

The Administration has made it clear in recent weeks that they get that spending needs to be tackled and they’ve leaked a few details of items they plan on cutting. But Obama is still insisting on two key elements that Republicans adamantly oppose: some corporate tax increases to help subsidize unemployment benefits and targeted spending increases in areas vital to keep the economic recovery on track. The big debates on this budget, however, won’t happen for another two months, until the House releases its version and committees begin hearings.

2. The 2011 Budget. In the meantime, there is another budget debate yet to play out – and unlike most budgets this one has sharp teeth. Democrats last year did not finish a single appropriations bill, leaving the government funded by a so-called continuing resolution which  extended the 2010 funding levels until March 4. The House unveiled their budget last week – three times. The Republican appropriators first proposed $40 billion in cuts, arguing that the fiscal year, which ends in September, is half over. The freshmen rejected that. The appropriators came back with $76 billion in cuts. No go. Finally, they found the full $100 billion that was promised in the GOP’s Pledge to America.

Needless to say Democrats are having heart palpitations. And while there’s no way the Senate will pass a budget with $100 billion in cuts, there is some concern that enough upper chamber Democrats are up for reelection in conservative states that Republicans may be able to force through deeper cuts than the Administration or Party would like. “There could be a compromise where some of these cuts – many of these cuts – are kept in place,” says Scott Lilly, a budget expert at the Center for American Progress who spent two decades at the House Appropriations Committee. Lilly estimates that if the full $100 billion in cuts were to be passed upwards of 70,000 people could lose their jobs as government aid to cops, teachers and research is slashed.

The House this week is expected to pass the budget. Dozens, if not hundreds, of amendments are expected many of which could pass and increase the size of the cuts. The Senate is not scheduled to begin work on the bill until the first week of March. Though there is a nominal deadline of March 4, with both chambers out next week for President’s Day recess, most likely another short-term continuing resolution will have to be passed. Though, even that could prove a challenge to Boehner. “Until Wednesday it looked like Boehner was in control and he could get his guys to go along with a temporary extension but I don’t think that’s the case any more,” Lilly says.

As much as a government shutdown would be a giant exclamation point to the case the Tea Partiers are making, no one is seeking it – just yet. And no one is ruling it out. “We’re a long way from anything like that,” says Rep. Jim Jordan, an Ohio Republican who heads the fiscal conservative Republican Study Committee, which has 170 members including much of the freshmen class. “We’re going to focus on what the Senate sends back to us first.”

3. The Debt Ceiling. Democrats are hoping that a show of compromise on the 2011 budget will grease the skids for the looming painful vote on raising the debt ceiling. The Treasury estimates it will bump up against this ceiling at the end of April or early March. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will probably wait till the last minute to schedule a vote to add pressure on members to pass it. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke warned last week that if the debt ceiling isn’t increased the U.S. could default on its debts and the result would be catastrophic for the economy.

Not so fast, says the Republican Study Group. Democrats are dreaming if they thing Tea Partiers aren’t going to jump on every opportunity to force cuts. “The only way you get conservatives to support a debt ceiling increase is if there are real cuts attached to that bill and real reform,” Jordan says.

4. A Deficit Reduction Package. All of these spending cuts thus far are essentially nickel and dime the problem. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and defense, which make up nearly 90% of all spending, will remain largely untouched in the 2011 and 2012 budgets. Obama has said he’d like to work with Republicans on a package along the lines of what the Deficit Reduction Commission proposed in December. Forget about $100 billion, we’re talking $4 trillion here. Such a grand bargain would take significant GOP support in both chambers to pass. While a few Senate Republicans have expressed interest in talking, the bigger problem again could be in the House. The commission recommended not only deep cuts in spending – including all sacred cows  – but also tax increases in order to fill the hole. “There is no way you’re going to see House Republicans support tax increases – the Republican Study Group, we’re certainly not going to support that,” Jordan says. “I don’t believe our leadership would support that either. That is not going to create jobs or grow the economy.”

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  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Can we please stop with the meme of “social security has to be cut”. Social Security is solvent for at least the next several decades in which the SSA will be able to pay out fully 100% of its obligations. After that, the SSA will be able to meet 80% of obligations. But lengthening the time SSA can pay out 100% of its obligations would be simple–raise the ceiling on the amount of income that is taxed.
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    This entire “social security is going broke” makes me angry. But what makes me angrier is that Obama negotiated that pay roll tax decrease–which doesn’t affect the general funds, but it does affect the amount of money in the social security coffers.

  • allthingsinaname

    The TEA party has an outsize control of the GOP thus of our National Priorities.
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    This is the crime of the GOP. They talk of backbone but show none.

  • liberalmeltdown

    The private sector has lost 8 million jobs, due at least partially to government.
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    Cuts have been made everywhere except government. It’s time to feel our pain.
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    8 million less taxpayers. Yeah, I think that if the government wants to grow, it should grow some taxpayers to pay for its growth.
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    Seriously, there is no revenue to pay for the high pay and exorbitant benefits of government workers. They should go get jobs at wal-mart, if they can qualify.
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    First to go should be all federal officials and agencies that gave us NAFTA and let China into the WTO.

  • textee

    WHAT?!!!!!!!

    Sarah Palin writes a note to Jay Newton-Small, but neither Newton-Small nor Time magazine has cared to share the correspondence between Newton-Small and Palin with Time magazine readers? http://nation.foxnews.com/media/2011/02/12/palin-crushes-time-magazine-over-their-lies

    I wonder why neither Newton-Small nor Time magazine has shared the correspondence between Time magazine and Palin? NOT!

    Here’s Palin’s note to Jay Newton-Small:

    “Jay – pls tell your bosses there at Time Magazine thank you for the invitations to attend the upcoming functions. I’ll sure put a lot of thought into those invitations.

    “Then, have your editors retract Time’s most recent ridiculous lies about me supposedly giving Sean Hannity a radio interview wherein I supposedly talked about Christina Aguilera (that I slammed her for her Nat’l Anthem mistake, and called for her deportation, etc). You guys were fooled into running a fake story that even US Weekly pulled and apologized for their blunder. Total lies – and you guys (once again) even put quotation marks around things I have never uttered. Then, Time needs to run an apology to Christina along with the retraction. (Add Hannity in your apology, too…those good folks don’t deserve to be in a caustic, untrue story about me.) Thanks much – keep up the great work, Time Magazine.”

    When will Time magazine issue a retraction and an apology to Palin for Time magazine and Time magazine writer Nitwit Carbone’s completely bogus, fabricated lie that Sarah Palin “wanted to deport [Christina Aguilera]” for Aguilera’s Super Bowl performance? http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2011/02/13/timecom-also-deceived-palin-aguilera-anthem-satire-seems-claim-it-wasnt

    Also, when will Time magazine explain what “functions” it invited Palin to attend? Also, Time magazine, please explain why an organization like Time magazine, which is comprised of nothing but virulent, militant, red-eyed, frothing at the mouth, hysterical Palin haters, would invite someone like Palin to any “function” when Palin is your sworn enemy? Palin, unlike the political activists at Time magazine, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, NPR, CNN, A-Mess-NBC, the New York Time-Democrat, the Washington Post-Democrat, the execrable Associated (with terrorists) Press, US Weekly, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN News, ESPN Classic, ESPN U, ESPN Radio, ESPN The Magazine, ESPN Deportes, ESPN Français, et al., is a decent human being so she would not tell Time magazine and its employees to shove their “invitation” into several of their orifices, but I would with no problem.

    For the boys and girls who are unfamiliar with Time magazine or any of the above, aforesaid, leftist political advocacy and lobbying groups: Expect Time magazine to completely ignore the facts above. As far as Time magazine goes, none of the above ever happened, because it does not serve Time magazine’s interests (i.e., leftism) to ever mention any of the above. The end.

  • apr2563

    And most of the “liberal” traditional media buy into this bogus claim. Jay, what do the Swampers think of this continual echo chamber issue.

  • apr2563

    We have had the Bush years and now 2 years of tax cuts for the wealthy. How many jobs have been created?

  • liberalmeltdown

    First, there are no Social Security coffers. The government has stolen all the money and left IOUs. There is no actual money set aside in a coffer or anywhere to fund Social Security. Just like any other promise or program run by the government, things don’t work like you are told that they will.
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    Your government knows best, why are you worrying your little selves about it anyway, You trust them. You want the government to run health care, so what’s your beef? If you didn’t think that these people are just the greatest at everything, why would you put your life in their hands? Why?
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    Don’t you believe in hopey changey? I’m sure that hopey changey will fix it all for you. Just vote Democrat.
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    Here’s some demographic projections. I wonder if those in charge of hopey changey have included longer life spans into their projections or if they just forgot. They probably were too busy getting elected to think about something so trivial.
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    http://seniorliving.about.com/od/lawpolitics/a/senior_pop_demo.htm

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    •In 2050, seniors age 65 and older will make up 21 percent of the total population.
    147 percent – The projected percentage that the 65+ senior population will increase between 2000 and 2050.

    •The U.S. population as a whole is expected to increase by only 49 percent during same period.

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  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    The government has stolen all the money and left IOUs.

    What you so dismissively refer to as IOU’s are actually called Treasury Bonds and they are considered one of the safest investments available. Whenever an investor wishes to avoid the risk inherent in equities, that’s where they go instead.

    In their zeal to eff everything up though, the freshman Republicans are now intent on destroying faith in the one investment that people can count on.
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    A$$holes…..

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    All of these spending cuts thus far are essentially nickel and dime the problem. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and defense, which make up nearly 90% of all spending, will remain largely untouched in the 2011 and 2012 budgets.
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    Social Security doesn’t belong in that list. It’s off-budget, fully funded by dedicated revenue streams.
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    Medicare reductions have been proposed by the administration, in the elimination of the Medicare Advantage and in a variety elements in the health care bill. The various cost cutting elements in the ACA also should reduce Medicaid expenses–and Medicaid is where there is the most low hanging fruit in lowering costs through better (read “preventative”) health care procedures. There is very little that can be done with either of those budgets in the immediate term beyond this. The administration could be more aggressive with the cost control measures, but the Republicans oppose effective measures to lower government health care expenditures, other than simply not providing services.
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    (SZ would note, if he were here, that there is a huge, deeply corrupt problem in the setting of medical reimbursements, which is never mentioned. But I cannot do that subject justice.)
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    The real sticking point here is defense. In an environment of supposed fiscal crisis there is simply no need to continue to expand the military in a world in which the US faces no credible threat.
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    The notion that the tea partiers can be taken seriously with proposals to eliminate NPR funding while doing nothing about a bloated Pentagon budget filled with pork and reeking of corruption is an indictment both of their sincerity, and the way these issues are being covered by the Beltway media.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Unfortunately my post about T-bills and yours about military spending are intimately linked. Where do you suppose the “Guaranteed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government” actually gets it’s mojo?

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    The failure to cover the Administration’s discussions of ways to cut to Social Security is really a remarkable illustration of the role the Beltway media plays in setting the terms of this debate.
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    This came up last night about midway through my talk with Joan McCarter and Sam Seder (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/virtuallyspeaking/2011/02/14/sam-seder-and-joan-mccarter-virtually-speaking-sundays). I will try to pull out a clip later on today.
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    But the upshot is that the liberal wing of the party was pleased (Joan says this explicitly) at having kept any mention of SS cuts out of both the SOTU and the Budget. One would think such a proposal, even one being contemplated only in private and off the record, would make its way into the media.
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    SS is the single most successful federal program in history. It is incredibly popular, and has changed the lives of Americans who are no longer dependent on their family, or charity, to live out their retirement years. It’s been constructed in a completely fiscally sound way, thanks to Ronald Reagan’s Greenspan Commission that dealt with the financing problems related to the large baby boomer cohort. Through the Greenspan Commission recommendations, the Boomers prepaid for their retirement benefits.
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    Taking away any of those prepaid benefits is a HUGE story. it would sell papers. It would drive ratings. It would alter the terms of the debate. It would drive people out of office.
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    And we get.
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    Crickets.
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    Why is this? Why is the operative assumption you hear every week on the Sunday shows the obvious need for SS cuts?
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    Sam noted that you CAN find it on your teevee, which is true:
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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31510813/#41497579
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    But there it is, up in JNS’ summary of where the money is.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd
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  • diecash1

    The government has stolen all the money and left IOUs. There is no actual money set aside in a coffer or anywhere to fund Social Security

    So all that U.S. government debt that the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans hold is also worthless? This is precisely the kind of thinking that demonstrates your stupidity. The federal government can no more default on the debt held for social security than it can on the debt held by foreign creditors. The effect is the same. Try learning what you’re talking about before posting such a pile of garbage.

  • diecash1

    Nice try jay but you can’t introduce facts into closed minds.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Where do you suppose the “Guaranteed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government” actually gets it’s mojo?”

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    It used to be from a vibrant and thriving working population. Now, workers in the private sector amount to less than 50% of the population, some estimations as low as 43%.
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    57% are either on the doll, or are government workers.
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    The tax payer burden is not sufficient enough to keep up with the ever increasing government debt.
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    Sell………..sell………..sell more T-bills!!!
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  • np042

    Now, workers in the private sector amount to less than 50% of the population, some estimations as low as 43%.
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    57% are either on the doll, or are government workers.

    57% of the population? Really? I wish I’d known that when I was a kid, woulda been nice to have some extra money for stuff.

  • shepherdwong

    Thank you Jay and Paul. The Village zombie lies about Social Security and the deficit and their strange compulsion to cut Social Security benefits in the midst of the worst recession we’ve ever experienced, will take all of us to kill.

  • zegoman

    Until they get serious about cutting defense, 30 to 50%, I can’t get behind any cuts.

  • tominma

    Im wondering WHY Time isnt printing the story about “starve the beast”. It’s a strategy adopted under reagan that called for running up the debt so high, thru tax cuts and overspending, that it would cause a budget crisis!! THEN they could present privatizing the social entitlements as the only solution!!

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10054/1037783-109.stm

    http://www.forbes.com/2010/05/06/tax-cuts-republicans-starve-the-beast-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html

    You all remember the constant deficit spending and tax cut under reagan/bush/bush dont you? Well, that amounted to $11T in deliberate debt! In fact, as of bush’s last budget, FY 2009, over 80% of the national debt was run up under JUST the last 3 GOP presidents!!!

    http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm

    Now the bill is due, and republicans are kvetching about a debt they themselves caused! I think Time has a duty to present the people with the facts. It’s time the corporate media stopped covering for Republicans!!

  • afguy

    57% are either on the doll….
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    OK, I’ve GOT to get an answer to this…
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    When did unemployment benefits start to include what I am assuming to be an inflatable…?
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    Maybe THAT’s why workers are not finding jobs or are NOT looking…
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    Is this the “Mariyln Monroe” model or “Jill St. John” version (I’m really partial to redheads myself)?
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    Welfare may be more fun than I thought…

  • afguy

    Do the female recipients get the “Brad Pitt” one?
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    Has the “George Clooney” model been released yet?

  • liberalmeltdown

    “their strange compulsion to cut Social Security benefits in the midst of the worst recession we’ve ever experienced, will take all of us to kill.”
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    Expecting the nannies to say shame, shame for the death reference…oh, I forgot, you’re a liberal.

  • liberalmeltdown

    1.3, that’s right. Your government has borrowed all the money in those SS “coffers”. There are no coffers. The money goes to government spending. It just goes to the general fund, or in this case lack of funds.
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    If the interest rate goes from 4% to 20% on an adjustable mortgage for someone barely able to make the payments, they will default on the loan. Simply because they can’t pay. FOR EXAMPLE a $500,000 home at 4% results in a payment without insurance and taxes of $2,387, if the interest rate goes to 20% like it did under Jimmy Carter the payment would be $8355, or almost FOUR times the original payment.
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    The US government is barely able to make payments on its current debt. Just because we owe the money, doesn’t mean that it can or will be paid. Once a financial institution, and individual, or government is headed towards a waterfall, it’s very hard to bring it back. The bigger it is…well, there’s no one there to bail you out.

  • diecash1

    As per usual, you ignored the point entirely. Not terribly surprising. Treasury debt must be repaid regardless of who owns it — SS, China, Japan, etc.
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    If you want to fix any issues with SS, remove the cap on income subject to the tax and presto — no problems. You’d rather rant on without a point. Good luck with that.

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