Morning Must Reads: Budget Day

Carrying this over from the other thread because I think it’s at the root of our probems:

Liberalmeltdown writes:
The private sector has lost 8 million jobs, due at least partially to government.
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Cuts have been made everywhere except government. It’s time to feel our pain.

lets think this through carefully because it’s the politics of resentment in full force. Unemployment is at historically high levels. Therefore Conservatives want to lay off federal workers en-masse to punish them for the crime of not being yet unemployed. And this is expected to help solve the unemployment problem.

It’s a remarkable disconnect in logic when anyone want to lay off government workers because so many private companies failed due to financial collapse.

First, it’s vindictive. There’s no other reason for it. Second, how much worse are we off with even more people getting layed off? And what is the end result other than more collecting unemployment?

Let’s talk budgets:
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“The president’s projected $1.65 trillion deficit for the current year would be the highest dollar amount ever, surpassing the $1.41 trillion deficit hit in 2009. It would also represent 10.8 percent of the total economy, the highest level since the deficit stood at 21.5 percent of gross domestic product in 1945, reflecting heavy borrowing to fight World War II.”

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OBAMA’S NEW BUDGET: $1.65 TRILLION DEFICIT FOR THIS YEAR
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Republicans have stuck to their guns so to speak by passing out of committee the $100 BILLION in cuts promised. Just FYI, not that it is any earth shattering move on their part either. But, at least they are sticking to the “Pledge”.

The question is, how do government workers create real wealth (except for themselves with tax payer dollars)? What do they do that puts anything back into the economy?

The link
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OBAMA’S NEW BUDGET: $1.65 TRILLION DEFICIT FOR THIS YEAR
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Recession what recession?

Let’s all pretend that the drop in employment and the drop in Government reveues are completely unrelated. We’ll then address the problem by pulling billions of dollars more out of circulation.

As Duncan used to say, The Stupid! – it Burns…….!

The shy is falling, it is a National Crisis, We are the laughing stock of the world, we are loosing our preeminent position, American exceptionalism wanes.
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Hell no I won’t pay to support the government. I just want ti whine about the results.

For the nay-sayers…..
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Clothing Prices to Rise 10% Starting in Spring
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Is this the beginning of the hyper-inflation predicted months and months ago?
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If our government does not get their act together, prices will necessarily SKY-ROCKET

Yeah. Everyone knows that interstate freeways and law enforcment and the court system and airports are all just a drain. They don’t do ANYTHING to help commerce!

And of course we all know that people spending their paychecks on groceries and movies and the occasional vacation are also a complete drain of resources too. Who could possibly benefit by people having spending money?

BUT, Japan and China are doing just fine!! Yippee
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I guess when you ship good paying jobs overseas to China and Japan, their economy grows. Ours? Well not so much. We just grow more government workers to spend more borrowed money from Japan and China, or scream for more tax dollars from those filthy rich who are hoarding all that money.

From Rusty’s link:

But as the world economy recovers and demand for goods rises, a surge in labor and raw materials costs is squeezing retailers and manufacturers who have run out of ways to pare costs

OMG! Workers in China and India are actually starting to draw a living wage! The horrors!

Yep the famous “Loop-Theory” of spending tax payer dollars.
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Loop #1 – Hire more government workers and pay them tax dollars.
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Loop #2 – Government workers spend those tax dollars as wages, go out and buy things made in China and Japan.
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Loop #3 – Small return from the businesses who sell the Japanese and Chinese goods spent by government workers which equals tax dollars back into the Federal treasury.
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Result – Huge government deficits, and less money in the pockets of Americans.

Yep, the “World Economy” is starting to boom for Japan, China, and India, while Americans sit idle, waiting for the next 99′er check to come in the mail.
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Smart fiscal policy there, yes indeedy!!
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What is the unemployment rate again in America?? How many people are now getting food stamps just to get by now?
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Real numbers now please, not the fake ones put out by Obambi’s Administration.

Death and Dying: How Democrats / Liberals Killed The Great American Dream
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“When I go out and talk to people around town, they say, ‘Wow, I thought we were going to have a 12 percent correction and call it a day,’ ” said Stan Humphries, chief economist for the housing site Zillow, which is based in Seattle. “But this thing just keeps on going.”
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Seattle is down about 31 percent from its mid-2007 peak and, according to Zillow’s calculations, still has as much as 10 percent to fall.
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Mr. Humphries estimates the rest of the country will drop a further 5 and 7 percent as last year’s tax credits for home buyers continue to wear off.
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“We went into 2010 feeling gangbusters, thanks to Uncle Sam,” Mr. Humphries said. “We ended it feeling penniless, with home values tanking.”

So the obvious solution is to add tens of thousands of folks to the unemployment rolls so instead of collecting a government paycheck they’re collecting a government paycheck.
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Brilliant.
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And the timing couldn’t be better.

Correction: “We WERE the laughing stock of the world” they started to laugh two years ago.

Rusty, I thought you believed in free markets? Then why are you whining about housing pricing gravitating to it’s proper level?

For Desert: Lady Egg Hatches Quacker!!
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More money please for the National Endowment for the Arts!! Yes Sir!! We need more Gaga’s in the world, you betcha!!

NASA is such a total bust.

See?

Oh I do believe in the free market. Thanks to Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and the collapse they caused in the Mortgage / Housing business, I stand to make a few million.
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Buying up someone else’s American dream because they were stupid and took the liberal bait and switch deal, and selling it back to them in 2 or 3 years at double the money.

The whole tiresome budget debate might be worth it just to see Krugman use a LOLcat in the NYT for a political econimical post commentary.

“lets think this through carefully because it’s the politics of resentment in full force”
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Really you say this with a straight face? How about the resentment to ward the successful by liberals. They have more , it’s unfair let’s take it from them. Os that really any different form folks having to pay taxes to pay ever increasing pay and benefits to a group of employed who it can be accurately argued contribute little in productivity to the economy but tons to the deficit.

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Or maybe explain to those who must pay taxes on Social earnings and jobless benefits that they have to give up what they can’t afford to pay for a group who think they have an absolute right to more money and a lifetime job.

“It’s a remarkable disconnect in logic when anyone want to lay off government workers because so many private companies failed due to financial collapse.”
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Since the financial system is the most regulated industry we have logic would tell you they regulators failed so they at least should be fired for incompetence. After all isn’t that “fair”.

What’s stupid is that you ignore costs that are outgrowing revenues regardless of a recession or not!

“Hell no I won’t pay to support the government.”
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Another liberal mis-stating a conservative view. It is not they won’t pay to support the government; they will support the duties of government that is outlined in th constitution and not for every whim and to re-distribute wealth in the name of social justice. The left talks of “rights” all the time. HC rights, gay rights, abortion rights, Women rights. Every kind of “right” except the right to keep what you earn

Hmmmm.
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The population of the world has doubled in my lifetime.
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We are experiencing the largest economic downturn since the Great Depression.
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Automation is increasing industrial output while eliminating employment.
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Yet the biggest problem we are facing is excess Federal spending!
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Someone somewhere is not thinking too clearly…..

Or how about this logic. Banned drilling for energy that in turn raises heating and travel costs on already strapped consumers so they have less to spend on other necessary items like food. But now add layoffs of workers because of the drilling ban and companies going out of business but thank heaven we still have the government workers.

Seahawk Drilling Inc. said it has filed for bankruptcy protection and plans to sell its fleet of offshore drilling rigs to a competitor for $105 million.

Seahawk, which announced the deal with Hercules Offshore Inc. Friday, has been hurt by a slowdown in Gulf of Mexico drilling after the BP oil spill last April. The government halted drilling in deep waters and imposed tough new rules that have curtained all energy exploration in U.S. waters.

Employees will be let go; shareholders are suffering big losses as the stock plunges. Gulf communities have already been stricken by big job losses and declines in state tax revenues. We have become even more dangerously dependent on overseas sources of crude and prices have skyrocketed as Obama turned the handle to the off position when it comes to Gulf oil drilling.

“Someone somewhere is not thinking too clearly.”
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Yes you are correct and it is you and the liberals. We are experiencing a downturn because of overspending, we have lower employment as companies needed to lower costs and improve production and did it by outsourcing and technology. And the solution is to add more spending, taxes and regulation to duplicate the bubble for a few more years and then let the next generation deal with the choking level of debt and over expanded entitlements.

But, the Chinese love us….(laughing like the Chinese Professor)….ha ha ha
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We are experiencing a downturn because of overspending

Um no. We are experiencing a downturn due to overleveraging and extremely creative but sloppy accounting. You may recall that a significant fraction of capital was placed where the assets had little intrinsic value. That’s not overspending. That’s just $hitty investing.

Two points. First saying that “the politics of resentment is in full force” is not negated if you can find other examples of ‘the politics of resentment’
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And then, of your three examples, two more are examples of conservative resentment.
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You simply can’t help it…….

@rusty: “Buying up someone else’s American dream because they were stupid and took the liberal bait and switch deal, and selling it back to them in 2 or 3 years at double the money.”
Genuine question: are you expecting house prices to rise 30% a year in the next 2-3 years, while Obama is still president?

“HC rights, gay rights, abortion rights, Women rights. Every kind of “right” except the right to keep what you earn”
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Because as we all know, nothing is more important than money.
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Frack people, I want mah money.

“Yep, the “World Economy” is starting to boom for Japan, China, and India, while Americans sit idle, waiting for the next 99′er check to come in the mail.
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Smart fiscal policy there, yes indeedy!!
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What is the unemployment rate again in America?? How many people are now getting food stamps just to get by now?
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Real numbers now please, not the fake ones put out by Obambi’s Administration.”
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How?
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You already supported the outsourcing and off shoring of HQ so we have companies that use our infrastructure but do not pay for it.
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How exactly do you pretend that we can create new job when the party of no is saying no to any investment into this country; be it education, science or even new technology. But heaven forbid we remove weapon systems that are ancient and costly.
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You want new good paying jobs, but you want magic to get them here via low taxes.
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Sorry, you can’t have it both ways; support the complete destruction of our manufacturing sector without also supporting replacing it with something else.
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That kind of circular non-logic gets you no where.

“Or maybe explain to those who must pay taxes on Social earnings and jobless benefits that they have to give up what they can’t afford to pay for a group who think they have an absolute right to more money and a lifetime job”
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I assume this is the example you speak. Yes there is resentment that people in need are taxed to pay others who did little to increases the productivity of this country.

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Liberals always keep saying that they stand for the little guy. I guess that is just liberals lying again
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You simply can’t help it…….

“Because as we all know, nothing is more important than money.”
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Well if it is not so important why are liberals always trying to extort it, re-distribute it and telling people they know best how to spend other people’s money?

But of course there is the left relative values some rights are more important than others and only they know which ones?

Um yes. Obama’s own adviser published research that for every $1 in public spending reduces private sector spending by $3. So less economic to support spiraling deficits and debt.

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Stick to just whining about conservatives.

“Well if it is not so important why are liberals always trying to extort it, re-distribute it and telling people they know best how to spend other people’s money?

But of course there is the left relative values some rights are more important than others and only they know which ones?”
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Giving rights to people don’t cost money, except for the constant war on peoples rights.
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As for your question. I don’t know how to answer it since its in your head only. Keep your money, But if you don’t want to pay for your part of this country there are plenty of other awesome libertarian countries that would love your anything goes attitude.

Three appropriate words for Clarence Thomas:
Worst. Justice. Ever.

Linkee to who said that and when?
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And remember, it has to be to an actual quote of one of Obama’s actual advisors, not someone saying or interpreting what they heard he said.

“And remember, it has to be to an actual quote of one of Obama’s actual advisor”
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It was Romer – look it up. I have posted that linked at least 3 times. As usual liberals either ignored or refused to believe.

“Giving rights to people don’t cost money”
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Affirmative action doesn’t cost money, federal paid abortions are free? All the rules and regulations that the government has set up to appease those special interest groups don’t cost the companies money to comply?
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Once again the left’s understanding of economics, business and the cost to comply with the reporting of their own nonsense is mind boggling. Not to mention the bogus legislation that companies face and settle just to avoid additional cost and nuisance.

“Three appropriate words for Clarence Thomas:
Worst. Justice. Ever.”
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Only a Liberal would believe that.
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As IQ53 would add, nflfog you must be a racist.

“Affirmative action doesn’t cost money, federal paid abortions are free? All the rules and regulations that the government has set up to appease those special interest groups don’t cost the companies money to comply?
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Once again the left’s understanding of economics, business and the cost to comply with the reporting of their own nonsense is mind boggling. Not to mention the bogus legislation that companies face and settle just to avoid additional cost and nuisance.”
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Freeinpa,
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You’re absolutely right about something. Mind boggling.

Nah, you’re racist when you go on a genocidal rant and then blame the other posters.

So your response is an arrogant no response.

Asked a question only once during deliberations over five year period. That event was noteworthy enough that one of the other justices mentioned it in his note-taking.
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How was he gathering information on those cases? Osmosis?
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Already knew what he needed to know?
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Conveniently “forgot” to declare his wife’s income (for a conservative lobbying entity) over 20 years. The Missus using her status as his wife for drumming up business and influence peddling.
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Yeah, a REAL tower of ethical rectitude, that one…

“How exactly do you pretend that we can create new job when the party of no is saying no to any investment into this country; be it education, science or even new technology”
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Let’s cut the crap with the “investing” nonsense. Any company before it spends billions requires a hurdle rate or return on investment. Being elected is not ROI. One only needs to look at the results of the educational system over the past 30 years–growing spending to where we rank in the top 1 or2 in spending and yet we rank in the 20s for and and science.

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How do you pretend that we can improve education with “more investment”. We have believed that nonsense for years and we are well past taking a leap of faith that liberals can fix it.

This is not a referendum on his blackness, or lack of same. For you to bring up the subject of color reveals a lot about your own intellect.
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I’ve said since GHWB nominated him that the man is woeful intellectually.
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News Flash: There are stupid people of all creeds, colors and nationalities. Why would you want me to limit myself when I pick on one who just happens to have a similar skin tone as me?

From her final speech:
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http://www.frumforum.com/romer-calls-for-increased-spending

Departing White House economist Christina Romer says the government has the tools for bringing down unemployment, but policymakers need to find the will and wisdom to use them.

Romer called on officials Wednesday to move forward on policies that will increase government spending and cut taxes. She also called for investments in infrastructure and new trade agreements.

Romer said that while some new policies should be viewed as emergency measures, most should be paid for with future spending cuts or revenue returns. She said concerns about the mounting deficit should not be used as an excuse “for leaving unemployed workers to suffer.”

Somehow, I don’t think this is what you were implying she said.
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And then, there’s the old “look it up yourself, I’m too busy” bit…

lol. so much time spent preaching and chastizing about econ, and yet you can’t be bothered to go learn what inflation means

3x is not racist, nfl,
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Some of his best friends are black (or Hispanic, or Asian). Just ask… he’ll be more than happy to tell you that.

RE afguy @ 14.2: Isn’t hiding taxable income what most people would call illegal?

And if he wasn’t racist there’d be no need to point that out.

Blue smoke and mirrors from Obama and his merry band of leftists on the budget. No real spending cuts and ephemeral tax increases which will never pass Congress.

This crowd too has “learned nothing and forgotten nothing” as Tallyrand said of Louis XVIII.

It is for us members of the “great unwashed herd” out in “flyover territory”.

Or the Secretary of the Treasury or the Chair of the Ways and Means Ctm

You imply that W did or any Republican would get most of his/her budget wish list passed. You feeling intellectually superior today?

nflfoghorn@13,

Blacks like Clarence Thomas who stray from the liberal plantation are not considered to be authentically black. They are written out of the race by liberal plantation masters.

That’s always been the point. The ones that “walk the walk” don’t have to continually shout “look at me”.

For you to bring up the subject of color reveals a lot about your own intellect.
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[Funnny how that works.]

This is where you see “conservative” effectively becoming a synonym for “white populist.” You would think that the government discriminating against a class of farmers over 15 years, under three different presidential administrations, from two different parties, not in the distant, but recently, would be a pet cause for people disturbed by the overreach of government. In fact those who claim that banner, are disturbed by the remedy applied–not the problem, itself.

I’m reminded of David Brooks, lamenting the fact that Sonia Sotamayor didn’t go to school in the 50s, while neglecting to mention that her alma mater (Princeton) didn’t even admit women until a decade later. The opportunistic rush to elide hard problems, in order to disparage imperfect, and perhaps even wrongheaded, solutions is an essential feature of modern conservative. In regards to blacks it shows itself in this sense that racism–even government-sponsored racism–isn’t actually a problem, people trying to fix it are a problem.

Neither of whom would potentially review laws that would personally benefit them. So stuff it, RustFreep.

You’re forgetting… only liberals do that.
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Don’t believe your lying eyes. Wait a moment or two and he’ll tell you what you were supposed to see.
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Color me cynical, but something tells me it won’t be what was written either.

Good time to chime in on that humongous post from yesterday: Thomas Sowell reminds me of Dave Chappelle’s “blind Klansman” skit.

An, let’s remember, Abe Fortas had to resign because he gave Lyndon Johnson advice on civil rights.
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And that cause definitely wasn’t going to line his pockets personally.

nflfoghorn@16.1,
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Always feeling intellectually superior, foghorn.
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I imply nothing. I clearly state that Obama’s budget is a fraud. It ducks on the issues of the day which are the deficit and the debt. It has nothing to say about entitlements and makes zero cuts in discretionary spending.
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The Obama spending freeze is a cruel joke since he has increased discretionary spending by 24% in two years and now wants to freeze spending at those obscene levels.

Can you you defend that, foghorn?

afguy@16.2,

I would have thought that my intellectual superiority would be obvious even to liberals, afguy. It’s not like I hide my light under a bushel.

So tell me, what do you think about Obama’s sham and charade of a budget. Would you call it leadership?

“Sonia Sotamayor didn’t go to school in the 50s, while neglecting to mention that her alma mater (Princeton) didn’t”
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And the problem with a single sex or single group entity is what exactly? What we are quickly seeing globally is that the genuflection is diversity and multiculturalism is a failure. Germany, UK and France are quickly discovering it. It just seems the know-it-all smartest kid in the room liberals here haven’t figured it out

Paul Dirks@1,

It is always a good thing to let some government employees go “pour encourager les autres.”

Really the IRS doesn’t enforce laws? And I didn’t know that one justice had veto power over the other eight. So by your standards all the left wing goof ball groups like the ACLU or Women’s Groups that Ginsberg or Kagan may have been a member of would be a conflict for them to rule on any cases these groups are associated with or file briefs? Or does your standard of ethics only apply to conservatives? I am sure you will give us reasons (nonsense) as to why it is different. Of course for liberal its always different.
.When you lie to yourself you can make anything sound plausible.

And then, there’s the old “look it up yourself, I’m too busy” bit…

Speaking of which: “Media psychiatrist ratchets up anti-video game rhetoric

“The increase in rapes can be attributed in large part to the playing out of [sexual] scenes in videogames,” Lieberman told Fox News in an article, sensationally headlined “Is Bulletstorm the Worst Videogame in the World?” The story discusses the violence and sexual innuendo in developer Epic Games’ upcoming first-person shooter.

Though extremists like Jack Thompson have attacked violent videogames on multiple fronts in the past, this is the first time we’ve heard anyone link gaming to sexual aggression. By playing the rape card, Lieberman ratcheted up the rhetoric in the crusade against violent videogames — and whipped up fury among gamers, who attacked her remarks in online forums (and even bombed her books with negative reviews on Amazon.com).

Despite the seriousness of Lieberman’s allegations, when asked by Wired.com multiple times to clarify her comments, she failed to cite a single study, statistic, or piece of evidence that proved her point.

Perhaps it’s because such studies simply don’t exist.

And this is yet another example of why I cannot stand Fox News. Not because it’s conservative, (I couldn’t care less about the political leanings of news organizations) but because it gives a voice to and thus attempts to legitimize “facts” and opinions that have absolutely not basis in reality.

In other news, studies show that having the name of Lieberman greatly increases the chances of being a horrible person. No, I won’t cite my sources as I am far too busy to do such a thing.

Read the Constitution. There is no stated to “keep what you earn”. In fact, the Founders gave themselves the right to levy taxes at will.

“Somehow, I don’t think this is what you were implying she said.
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And then, there’s the old “look it up yourself, I’m too busy” bit..”

No its not but she is another liberal who when out of office so to speak agrees that tax cuts were needed.
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Not too busy, I have posted it 3 times. I am guessing you ignored because it didn’t fit he liberal meme.

As I understand it Obama has cut a 1 trillion over ten years, and the GOP is looking at a 100 billion this year X ten is 1 trillion, but the GOP says his is not enough? Is the GOPs 1 trillion larger somehow?

I can see why you would not want to watch Fox News when you can get your information from “Opposable Thumbs”.

What Daily Kos server was down

No, paulie, I’m not sure if or when he stopped beating his wife…
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But I’m sure he appreciates your concern…

hippooath@2,

It is obscene that federal employment has risen 10% since the recession while state, local and private employment have faltered.

Here is a little something to ponder while bewailing the unfairness of laying off government workers.

http://wallstreetpit.com/16385-the-two-americas-public-sector-vs-private-sector

The Republicans are looking at real cuts not freezes to current levels and calling them cuts. While the Repubs call for $100 billion in cuts this year, Obama’s will oversee an increase in the deficit for the rest of this year that will exceed what the Repubs will cut.

“Obama administration will forecast a record-breaking $1.65 trillion deficit, larger than the $1.48 trillion deficit projected last month by the Congressional Budget Office, and up from last year’s $1.3 trillion gap.”

And what is racist about saying that Thomas is the worst Justice ever??
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I’m not so inclined to thinking he is the worst Justice but do think he is one of the most corrupt ever–right along side Scalia.

allthingsinaname@19,

You obviously misread the article. Obama is claiming $400 billion in reduced spending with the rest coming in tax increases. Obama’s budget proposes zero in spending cuts.

And the GOP?

Well why don’t you inform us ill-prepared folks and exactly how this related to government spending?
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Unless you want to tell us that we can inflate out of the deficits but be sure to explain how our standard of living will plummet

afguy@17.1,

Not sure what point you are trying to make, if any, but if there was any beating going on in the private quarters of the White House it would not be Obama doing it.

Tax increase? Sounds reasonable to me. I think whatever the GOP comes up with, should they come up with anything is or will be unsustainable, We have already seen that with the Tax giveaway to the wealthy.
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The current tax rate is unsustainable.

npo042@18,

I am confused, npo. Weren’t you people just telling us that political rhetoric on talk radio and cross hairs drawn on political targets caused the Tucson shootings? Where is the difference between that and violent video games?

Obama has now clearly stated in the budget his desire to change the U.S. into Zimbame.
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I guess that’s what he meant by “change you can believe in”

In one often-cited study, two economists have argued that when gross debt passes 90 percent it hinders overall economic growth.

The president’s budget said debt as a percentage of GDP will top out at 106 percent in 2013, but only if the economy booms.

allthings…@19.3,
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“And the GOP?”

$100 billion in real cuts this year alone. Huzzah!

So your response is an arrogant no response.
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Nice thing about “free speech”… you have the “freedom” to try to pick a fight here and we have an equally-strong “freedom” to ignore you when you try…
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Just a question… as you can’t see him, how can you tell that hippooath is being arrogant while ignoring you?
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Did he use a “nose in the air” avatar I’m not seeing?
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Or are you just demanding that he take the bait?

allthings…@19.4,
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“Tax increase. Sounds reasonable to me.”
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Of course. Democrats don’t mind tax increases because so few pay taxes anyway.
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Geithner, Rangel, Daschel, Killefer, Solis all Democrat tax evaders appointed by Obama except for Rangel who is a fixture in the House.

Well, then you may not be as “intellectually superior” as you think…
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It’s a reference to questions posed in such a way as to have NO good response.
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Nice “cow patty” you threw out there, but I recognize the bag you put it in and don’t feel like “stomping” just to give you a chuckle.

“The current tax rate is unsustainable”
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What is unsustainable is spending. You can repeat that idiotic liberal meme that the tax rates are responsible for the deficits. Tax revenues went up. Unfortunately the rate of growth did not keep up with the rate of spending increases.

swissarmybrain@6.5,
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Inflation – Too many dollars chasing too few products.

Here is what is unsustainable!

Tax hike lowlights include:

* Raising the top marginal income tax rate (at which a majority of small business profits face taxation) from 35% to 39.6%. This is a $709 billion/10 year tax hike
* Raising the capital gains and dividends rate from 15% to 20%
* Raising the death tax rate from 35% to 45% and lowering the death tax exemption amount from $5 million ($10 million for couples) to $3.5 million. This is a $98 billion/ten year tax hike
* Capping the value of itemized deductions at the 28% bracket rate. This will effectively cut tax deductions for mortgage interest, charitable contributions, property taxes, state and local income or sales taxes, out-of-pocket medical expenses, and unreimbursed employee business expenses. A new means-tested phaseout of itemized deductions limits them even more. This is a $321 billion/ten year tax hike
* New bank taxes totaling $33 billion over ten years
* New international corporate tax hikes totaling $129 billion over ten years
* New life insurance company taxes totaling $14 billion over ten years
* Massive new taxes on energy, including LIFO repeal, Superfund, domestic energy manufacturing, and many others totaling $120 billion over ten years
* Increasing unemployment payroll taxes by $15 billion over ten years
* Taxing management capital gains in an investment partnership (“carried interest”) as ordinary income. This is a tax hike of $15 billion over ten years
* A giveaway to the trial lawyers—not letting companies deduct the cost of punitive damages from a lawsuit settlement. This is a tax hike of $300 million over ten years
* Increasing tax penalties, information reporting, and IRS information sharing. This is a ten-year tax hike of $20 billion.

Add it all together, and this budget is a ten-year, $1.5 trillion tax hike over present law. That’s $1.5 trillion taken out of the economy and spent on government instead of being used to create jobs.

http://www.atr.org

Freeinpa: As Paulejb said it so eloquently in 1.4:

“It is always a good thing to let some government employees go “pour encourager les autres.”

So with the same logic, it is a good thing to let an offshore drilling company go to encourage others. Don’t ask me what it actually means, my guess would be that it is not a bad thing if ppl or companies go because it encourages others. I am not sure what others are encouraged to do but I guess that is usually besides the point for Paulejb to actually make sense.

Paulejb: the 10% increase were mainly census workers and the remainder were security related personnel. The 10% is already down so your alarming rise in government employment state or federal level does not exist. Try start using intellectually sincere arguments next time.

“And the GOP?”

$100 billion in real cuts this year alone. Huzzah!”
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Ah yes unsustainable cuts to services that will be demanded by the public that are postponed until the cost rises. We haven’t seen the Tax decreases they are working on either, that, sooner or later, will have to be paid for and contribute to the deficit.
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I for one would count it as a Tax increase if my SS benefits were to be cut. You see it isn’t a tax, it really is an investment in my future, dedicated to that future, any movement of those funds to pay for the government debt would be a tax.

“I’m not so inclined to thinking he is the worst Justice but do think he is one of the most corrupt ever–right along side Scalia.”
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And your proof of both being corrupt are? They interpret the Constitution as it is written?

erieangel@13.2,
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It is the implication that a conservative black is betraying his race for straying from the liberal plantation.

Sooo… are you saying “the dog ate your links”, free?

afguy@17.3,
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A perfect analogy, afguy. Obama’s budget is like a turd in a paper bag left on America’s doorstep.
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I must thank you for bringing it up. It is indeed perfect.
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What say you?

It is the implication that a conservative black is betraying his race for straying from the liberal plantation.
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Lets try to think about this:
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Criticism for evading taxes = Criticism for “straying from the liberal plantation”…
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Strike out the “Criticism for” in both cases and you have remaining…
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evading taxes = “straying from the liberal plantation”…
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Nice argument you advanced there, paulie.
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You REALLY need to remember where you threw the “meadow muffins”. They don’t really care WHO steps in them.

allthingsinaname@19.9,
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The superstition that a cut in government spending would bring the apocalypse is about to be tested. I’ll wager that few will be effected except for the ruling class.
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No one has ever proposed a cut in benefits to current SS recipients. Never. All proposals were for a change in the age of eligibility to effect future generations or allowing young people to control a portion of their SS deductions on their own.

It’s been in use ever since there have been Halloween and Halloween pranksters, paulie.
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Free speech and all that. Use it any way you see fit. This is a free country.
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But, given your “superior intellect”, why’d you need a liberal to find it for you?
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Students the world over have the freedom to turn in “2+2=3″ on their homework. Doesn’t mean the teacher will have to give them credit for it just because they THINK they have the answer.

“Sooo… are you saying “the dog ate your links”, free”
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No I’m going for the ignorance is bliss- liberals think if they don’t find it and they don’t approve it it doesn’t exist. Surely the superior intellect of a liberal can find one simple link that was given to them 3 times?
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But then again you have to believe the liberal lie they have a superior intellect.

It’s not resentment Paul. You don’t get the Clinton reference to “I feel your pain.” The fact is that we don’t need all these government workers. They don’t produce anything. They don’t add value to our economy. All that they do is increase our unfunded liabilities. You realize that GM went (er should have filed for) bankruptcy because of its unfunded liabilities? The government of the United States will soon have the very same problem. Then what Paul? The big Obama in the sky will bail us out? Just close your eyes and say: Hopey, hopey changey.
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It’s just a fact that as little as 43% of the working population cannot support the rest that are on government aid, or pay for their cushy government jobs.
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Thanks for using my post. Here is the rest of it:
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“8 million less taxpayers. Yeah, I think that if the government wants to grow, it should grow some taxpayers to pay for its growth.
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Seriously, there is no revenue to pay for the high pay and exorbitant benefits of government workers. They should go get jobs at wal-mart, if they can qualify.
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First to go should be all federal officials and agencies that gave us NAFTA and let China into the WTO.”
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This is a reference to the failed free trade agreements that were passed 17 years ago. NAFTA and allowing China into the WTO has been a disaster. Remember what the lone guy that wanted to cut deficit spending said about NAFTA in 1992?
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Now tell me that you got it right. Where are we now? Deeper and deeper in debt, millions of high paying jobs gone. That’s the continuing “sucking sound” from liberals.

“Nice thing about “free speech”… you have the “freedom” to try to pick a fight here and we have an equally-strong “freedom” to ignore you when you try…”
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You can ignore it by not responding when you respond with a non-answer it is the typical “i know better than you and you just don’t know it” liberal response. If there was truly a logical response I am certain one would have been posted, what was posted was just arrogance. And in case you don’t know it, you don’t have to see a face ,similar to Obama’s when he talks down his nose to us, or by tone or just be words – it’s called reading . Try it

But then again you have to believe the liberal lie they have a superior intellect.
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No, your pal paulie was the one who copped to saying something like that, right in this very thread. At 16.3 to be precise.
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Are you and paulie saying that it’s ‘Wingnuts that are “intellectually superior”, free?
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How very “arrogant” of the both of you…
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Do try to keep up and actually read what’s being posted.

Of course, you ignore the main points of the article (“Dr” claiming that gaming has caused an increase in rapes while being completely unable to provide any supporting evidence) but instead take the ad hominem and red herring approach.
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Free: Ars Technica is a technology site, with Opposable Thumbs being the gaming section. The article itself is actually from Wired, another technology publication. Now that you’re done attacking the source, why don’t you comment on the actual substance of the article? (And for the record, never been on the Kos site and have no desire to either)
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Paul: To quote a certain movie, “What do you mean, ‘you people?’” Oh that’s right, because I’m not far right you automatically assume I’m at the other end. I never claimed that violent rhetoric caused the Tuscon shootings, although it certainly may have played a part in other cases of violence. The point you missed is that this woman is claiming, without any proof at all, that video games can be linked to an increase in rape. This woman (unfortunately) has a high enough platform to potentially affect legislature; commenters on the internet saying that Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck encourage violence do not.

robbert5@2.10,
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That is stretching analogy well passed the breaking point. Laying off time servers and clock watchers in the federal bureaucracy is hardly comparable to producing the life blood of this country’s economy.
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The increase in federal employment began in 2007, long before census workers were hired.
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http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/private-sector/public-vs-private-pay/chart-graph/private-sector-job-losses-dwarf-government-gains

free, I understand that sticking your finger down the dog’s throat will sometimes make them regurgitate what they swallowed.
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See if that will work. If nothing appears, then look for them out the other end, with the other sh!t.
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Caution: it’ll probably be brown by now…. if it’s there at all.

afguy@13.5,
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To pretend that liberals despise Clarence Thomas for any other reason than that he is a black conservative who has strayed from the liberal plantation is ludicrous.

How is not reporting spousal income on government disclosure laws “tax evasion?”

Another point I would like to add here is that the GOP seems to correlate cutting government means creating jobs in the private sector. I am puzzled on how that is supposed to work. I don’t get the correlation between cutting government spending and creating jobs in the private sector directly or indorectly for that matter. Can someone enlighten me how that is supposed to work?

afguy@17.5,
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I give credit where credit is due, afguy. I read your comment and immediately saw that it was the perfect analogy for the Obama budget. After I stopped laughing, I made the analogy and rightfully gave credit to you. It was only fair.

Oh, I read plenty… the main source of “arrogance” and “talking down their noses” here on this blog is the four of you.
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Rusty, 3x (Mr. “You should be so lucky as to have had the life I’ve had”, you, and Mr. “Superior Intellect”.
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There’s just a number of us here that exercise our Constitutional right of ignoring the pi$$ out of the four of you at times.

npo042,
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Can we agree that silly explanations to excuse atrocious acts is psychobabble? Harsh rhetoric and violent and obscene video games and movies are “defining deviancy down.” But that does not mean that there is any collective guilt for the acts of miscreants.

Just a reminder:
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http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/02/out_of_sync.php?ref=fpblg
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But while Washington and much of the national political press (Norah O’Donnell, I’m lookin’ at you) gets into a frenzy let’s not forget that all the available public opinion data suggests the public either opposes this or considers it a low priority relative to job creation and other priorities.
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That doesn’t mean it’s bad policy or good policy. But the public isn’t on board with it. And there’s virtually no demand for cuts to Social Security.

Ask anybody who actually looks at the long-term fiscal outlook. The problem isn’t Social Security. It’s in federal spending on health care.

Ah, the old “being unethical and corrupt is NOT illegal” ploy.
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Do I hear a “this is just criminalizing a simple political matter”? How about “there’s no laws against influence-peddling”?
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Nothing to see here… move along. He and his wife are just the victims here…

“There’s just a number of us here that exercise our Constitutional right of ignoring the pi$$ out of the four of you at times”
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I would support your right to ignore it if you actually did. In what parallel universe would your idiotic post constitute ignoring?

allthings…@2.6,
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“NASA is such a total bust.”
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What about Tang, Teflon and Velcro?

Can we also agree that chanting “kill ‘em” to a weak-minded individual MAY also cause him to take actions against a perceived “enemy”, based on what he is hearing?

Were posts 11.10 and 11.11 you version of ignoring me again? Seems instead you went right to the denigration and nonsensical posts. Amazing what happens when the left misses their meds.
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I guess when you can’t argue against the subject of the original post you don’t have a choice but to ignore it in your own idiotic way.

Not reported by our cadre of Swamp reporters concerning CPAC.

For the crazy reactionary right file:
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http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/pamela_geller_cpac_compromised_by_muslim_brotherhood_activists_video.php?ref=fpc
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Pamela Geller, the most vocal of the activists opposed to the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque” to be built two blocks from the former site of the World Trade Center, said Friday that the Conservative Political Action Conference she was speaking at had itself been “corrupted” and “compromised by Muslim Brotherhood activists.”

David Horowitz also blasted Grover Norquist (wife is Muslim) and Suhail Khan for being involved in CPAC. (There were also anti-Norquist and Khan fliers circulating at CPAC.)

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http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2011_02_13_archive.html#3481439605456680949
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3.) Ron Paul Supporters Hate Was Under-Reported, Their Presence Was Over Reported. Every year at CPAC Ron Paul’s political action committee buses supporters to the convention (more on that later). While this group does not represent more than 15-20% of the attendees, they are very passionate, very unruly and very bigoted.

Barack Obama’s own debt commission proposed $4 trillion in cuts over 10 years. Obama pathetically comes up with $400 billion. Why does anyone take this man seriously?

“But, given your “superior intellect”, why’d you need a liberal to find it for you?”
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No one actually “needs” a liberal

Have some fun:
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http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/bl-glenn-beck-conspiracy.htm?PS=683%2C601%2C701%2C242%3A4
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The Glenn Beck Conspiracy Theory Generator
Fair and Balanced Paranoia, Delivered on Demand

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/bl-glenn-beck-quotes.htm
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Craziest Glenn Beck Quotes of All Time
Glenn Beck Insane-O-Matic Quote Generator

”The only [Katrina victims] we’re seeing on television are the scumbags.”
—Glenn Beck on his radio show, Sept. 9, 2005
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There are many more.

Figure it out yourself, free.
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Or, better yet, pass it on to Mr. “Superior Intellect” for analysis.
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When I see a “steaming pile” in my path, I try to step around it, not IN it.

“Ah yes unsustainable cuts to services that will be demanded by the public that are postponed until the cost rises”
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Isn’t it amazing that these unsustainable cuts to demanded services were sustainable in this country for over a hundred years before the “income tax” was discovered.
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But its nice that you think that with the nominal cuts on a $3.5 trillion budget are catastrophic but a 25% increase in interest payments on our public dent over the next 5 years is what the public demands and wants.

ANd exactly why does the cost rise? Higher salary and benefits to non-productive government workers.

I love your man crush on Beck.

apr2563@23,
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Nice attempt to change the subject, apr. Obama is taking hits for his farcical budget so you segue to the GZ mosque.
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The mosque issue is settled. 70% of Americans oppose it and it is unlikely that the money will be found to fund a gesture of Islamic triumphalism.
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Ron Paul’s and his supporter’s performance at CPAC is as irrelevant as Obama’s absurd budget proposal.

“You can ignore it by not responding when you respond with a non-answer it is the typical “i know better than you and you just don’t know it” liberal response.”
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There’s nothing to answer. You erect a bunch of emotional straw men, string together 4-5 talking points that you conjured together and you ask me I guess to answer them. It’s a bunch of emotional babble. If you have any intellectual honesty we would debate what’s different between conservatism and liberalism in how to solve a specific problem but yours is a bunch of dud grenades with a little smoke and rattle. I find it really arrogant of you to thing that we have to jump every time you shout squirrel.

The “liberal” press in action:
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http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cbs-morley-safer-emails-distaste-for-old-clubs-new-policy_b52998#disqus_thread
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CBS “60 Minutes” correspondent Morley Safer is trying to keep the old traditions of the Century Association alive by keeping its ties with an all-male club in London, The New York Times reports today.
The 78-year-old CBS correspondent described an important female member of the group as “whining,” “self-pitying” and “vindictive.”

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http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/02/14/journalism/index.html
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Journalists angry over the commission of journalism
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Over the weekend, The Los Angeles’ Times James Rainey mocked CNN’s Anderson Cooper for repeatedly using the word “lie” to describe the factually false statements of Egyptian leaders. Though Rainey ultimately concluded that “it’s hard to find fault with what Cooper had to say” — meaning that everything Cooper identified as a “lie” was, in fact, a “lie” —
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Yesterday, Cooper’s CNN colleague, media critic Howard Kurtz, sounded the same criticism but went even further.
To Kurtz, when a journalist accurately points out that a powerful political leader is lying, that’s “taking sides,” a departure from journalistic objectivity, something improper. In reply, Dickey agreed with that…
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Rainey, Kurtz and Dickey all have this exactly backwards. Identifying lies told by powerful political leaders — and describing them as such — is what good journalists do, by definition.

Still don’t get it, do you, free?

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/oops-house-abortion-bill-proponents-forget-
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“Oh, this is awesome. Anthony Weiner challenged HR 358 (The Protect Life Act) on a point of order because the authors failed to cite the appropriate constitutional authority to permit its introduction. Then Frank Pallone chimes in with the answer: Republicans can’t cite Constitutional reason for the bill because there IS no constitutional authority.”
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http://www.congressmatters.com/story/2011/2/12/2608/-Surprise!-House-Republicans-full-of-it-on-constitutional-authority-requirements
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One of the Swamp reporters was to get back to us on how faithful the Republicans are being to their pledge for citing Constitutional authority for all bills. We have heard nothing yet.

I don’t know enough to comment on most of the items freeinpa has listed above. However, I am in favor of eliminating most deductions. Even as I had my taxes done just a few weeks ago, it struck me as odd that the federal government is in essence paying my local, county and state taxes, as well as my property taxes. I don’t have a mortgage so I’m not eligible for a mortgage interest deduction, but my next door neighbor does and is. Alternet.org had a story on this a few days ago, but I’m at work and am unable to access alternets from the work computer (that I can still get into the swamp is surprising to me). I can’t imagine the real estate industry would take a hit if mortgage deduction were eliminated, people would just start buying homes they can actually afford.
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I could never understand why capital gains aren’t considered income. What is it if not income? If a waitress or pizza delivery driver has to count tips as income then a business titan should have to claim capital gains.
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The thing I like about this list is that it appears to be asking everybody of every economic class to make sacrifices. Which, in my mind would be a good thing.

apr2562@25,
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1. The hippies in the White House have done very little to help Haiti.
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2. The only comparison between the White House and underwear bombers is their ineptitude.

3. The administration again tried to slip ‘death panels’ through under regulations out of HHS and then thought better of it.

4. It could happen to you if you miss Fox News.

Is Glenn Beck stuck in your head, apr? My advice – Change the channel.

Ouch!! That stung…;-)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/14/us/14spokane.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha23
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Nearly a month after a cleanup crew found the live bomb along the planned route of a large downtown march honoring the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., the F.B.I. is investigating the incident as an act of domestic terrorism. And Spokane has cycled from shock to relief to reassessment: have the white supremacists who once struck such fear here in the inland Northwest returned at a new level of dangerousness and sophistication?
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Mr. Winkler lives not far from Hayden Lake, Idaho, where he once was among the followers of Richard Butler, a white supremacist and Aryan Nations leader who spent more than two decades proclaiming the inland Northwest to be the capital of a new white homeland. Mr. Butler died in 2004 after losing the 20-acre Aryan Nations compound in a lawsuit and losing many of his followers, as well.

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My granddaughter and family live in the town of Hayden. It is militia country.

There is nothing to figure out. You have nothing of substance to say but you insist on saying it over and over

erieangel@29,
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There is absolutely nothing that prevents you from writing a check made out to the US Treasury for any amount that you desire to donate. The government will gladly accept your donation..

Go for it. Your sacrifice will be greatly appreciated by needy bureaucrats.

Last Must Read from me today:
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-jarvis/gutenberg-of-arabia_b_822552.html
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Gutenberg of Arabia-Net Neutrality
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But it does matter that the revolutionaries of the Middle East use — indeed, depend upon — these social tools and the net. That is the reason why we must protect them, for by doing so we protect the public and its freedoms.
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In the privileged West, we have been talking about net neutrality as a question of whether we can watch movies well. In the Middle East, net neutrality has a much more profund meaning: as a human right to connect. When Mubarak shut down the internet, when China shuts down Facebook, when Turkey shuts down YouTube, when America concocts its own kill switch, they violate the human rights of their citizens as much as if they burned the products of Gutenberg’s press.
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I. We have a right to connect.
II. We have the right to speak.
III. We have the right to assemble & act
IV. Privacy is a responsibility of knowing.
V. Publicness is a responsibility of sharing.
VI. Information should be public by default, secret by necessity.
VII. What is public is a public good.
VIII. All bits are created equal.
IX. The internet shall be operated openly.
X. The internet shall be distributed.

That would be cuts AFTER Obama blew up the deficit in his first two years. That’s how Democrats cut. They increase spending by 100% and then cry about a 10% cut. It’s liberal math 101.

“”this is just criminalizing a simple political matter”? How about “there’s no laws against influence-peddling”?”
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And you have legal proof that there was influence peddling, right? Or just another instance of you talking out you a$s.

The start of high inflation around the world is evidence that all that government spending is going overseas and benefiting the economy of China. Since the US does not produce anything that the consumer buys, the money goes directly to the Chinese.
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So, the theory that paying government workers benefits our economy is also bogus. Unless we spend money on our own products…go ahead name one that is made here. Not even car parts are made here.
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Green jobs? Using solar panels and electrical parts made in China. Another brilliant idea.

Comment on the article. Not having ever looked for studies on video games and violence, i owuld default to follow the money>

Does a technology website have a vested interest in video games? Yes. Does that make the claim true? No but it does give one pause. It is no different than the claims that smoking in movies encourages cigarette smoking. Or children playing with toy guns increases gun killings but for politically correct reasons they are believed.

But it did remind me of, I believe it was 20/20 or one of those “news” shows dedicated to vilifying corporations when they staged the GM truck fire that didn’t exist.

“Unemployment is at historically high levels. Therefore Conservatives want to lay off federal workers en-masse to punish them for the crime of not being yet unemployed.”
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You totally miss the point. The crime is not being employed, it’s the benefits packages that the government can’t afford yet public sector unions demand. The long and the short of it is that politicians have given public sector unions everything the unions have asked for in return for votes come election day, unfortunately they’ve promised far more in benefits packages than is sustainable. Many public sector unions pay little to nothing for guaranteed retirement benefits. There was an uproar in the teachers union in New Jersey when Christie wanted them to contribute 1-3% of their annual income towards retirement, as if that’s asking the teachers to cut off an arm or something. It’s a pittance, but the unions and their members are spoiled brats who want everyone else to pay for their largess.
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The facts are thus: Public sector unions are bankrupting states and the federal government. When the money runs out, and it will eventually, these unions will get NOTHING. Zero, zip, nada. You can’t make a state government pay money it doesn’t have, just like you can’t force me to give you my Ferrari, because I don’t have one. If unions continue on the path they are on, they will bankrupt states, courts will void the states debts and all the unions members will get $0.00 for benefits. It really is that simple.
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Many state and local governments invested with the assumption that they would get on the order of 10% a year return, a laughable number even in the best of times. When they’re foolish investing strategy failed, they came up with the idea of taxing their way to solvency which will not work.
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While the federal government can print money, or “quantitatively ease” to pay its debts, anyone who actually tries to print money to get out of this should be publicly flogged. It doesn’t matter how many billions of dollars you have if a dollar isn’t worth anything, which is exactly what bailing out the states and the other ideas that come from printing money will cause: our currency to be worthless. Weimar Republic anyone?
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If you honestly believe that we can afford to continue business as usual when it comes to public sector workers you’re either ignorant, stupid or totally off your rocker.
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“Another point I would like to add here is that the GOP seems to correlate cutting government means creating jobs in the private sector. I am puzzled on how that is supposed to work. I don’t get the correlation between cutting government spending and creating jobs in the private sector directly or indorectly for that matter. Can someone enlighten me how that is supposed to work?”
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Yes. I can tell you the theory behind it.
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The government gets the money to pay its workers through fees and taxes, as well as some penalties it assesses for not paying the previously mentioned 2 items on time and in full.
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A dollar cannot be spent twice by the same person, company or entity. Hence if a corporation makes $100,000 is profit this year, and is taxed at 30% on it, their actual profit is $70,000 after taxes. That means they have $30,000 dollars less to reinvest in the company. Maybe they need new tool & die machines, new computers or more workers, well they can only buy and hire $70,000 worth of new equipment and personnel. Therefore, as the argument goes, the less money you extract from the private sector vis a vis taxes, the more money the private sector has to hire people, because they have the capital to pay them.
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So the less workers the government has, the less money it needs to pay them. Hence, needing less money the government can lower taxes, leaving capital in the market place to be used in private sector salaries.

Bigoted against losing? Really and you and this link think Tea Party and liberterians are wing-nuts.
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And the MSM protect Paul. You are clearing suffering from dementia. You are part of that looney minority that think the media is a corporate ploy and is really conservative even though they blast and smear conservatives daily.
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You have truly stepped off the curb

Mainly I’d say they’re bigoted against losing CPAC straw polls — so much so that Paul won it again this year with 31 percent, despite his alleged 15-20 percent support level. How? YWL explains that the other attendees didn’t bother to vote for their candidates. And the Lamestream Media ignores this highly flattering portrayal of Republican enthusiasm.

The mainstream press protects Ron Paul, his crazy positions create a wealth of story ideas, and his continued participation provides the opportunity to label the entire conservative, Republican and/or libertarian movements as right-wing extremist nut jobs (from your link)

a gesture of Islamic triumphalism

More stupidity from a supposedly “superior intellect.” Why am I not surprised?

Listen, Pat, I get that you relish the fights. And you’re hardly the only one to engage the rightwingers, but you are, bar none, the principal reason why partisan insult-athons have become the most prominent feature of the Swamp in recent months. Inevitably, when I see a thread with 100+ comments, I know who I’ll find regurgitating the “You’re stupider” chronicles. And while I don’t want the high sheriffs stepping in to do a thing, there are I think many of us less interested in such engagement who’d like to see you dial it back a notch.

Listen, Pat, I get that you relish the fights. And you’re hardly the only one to engage the rightwingers, but you are, bar none, the principal reason why partisan insult-athons have become the most prominent feature of the Swamp in recent months. Inevitably, when I see a thread with 100+ comments, I know who I’ll find regurgitating the “You’re stupider” chronicles. And while I don’t want the high sheriffs stepping in to do a thing, there are I think many of us less interested in such engagement who’d like to see you dial it back a notch.

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/02/12/the-other-red-meat/#ixzz1DyJWktXY

21.7 jcapan
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I was busy all day.
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I checked in at about 2:00.
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Even if I were not letting you guys hold down the fort without me, I wouldn’t have had the time to post today.

Do you know that RDW56 and Earl are still writing graffiti all over that post giving themselves high fives and doing a victory dance?
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I say it’s time for a moderator.
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Now I’ve got somewhere else to go.

My schedule is random, but, lately I’ve been keeping busy.

afguy@13.7,
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“being unethical and corrupt is NOT illegal.”
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Not only is it not illegal, it seems to be a requirement for employment in the Obama administration.

BTW Happy Valentines to all.

The wingnuts will be spending this holiday with that special somebody they care about the most- themselves.

paulejb, a conservative providing facts and logic is what, in a previous thread, afguy said was “crapping on the furniture”.
He and his fellow liberals are upset and demanding the “speech police” silence conservative voices.
They would prefer the pulpit all to themselves and I guess it is somewhat understandable. You have effectively muted their voices with concise precision by bring sound judgment and logical reasoning to refute their liberal ideology.
No wonder they want you, free and newfreedom, banished from their playground.

freeinpa@17.7,
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Be fair. We may not need them but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

And that’s because NYT is carrying water for Ron Paul

“CNN runs a story on the New Yorks Time’s rushing to publish unsubstantiated allegations against Ron Paul” .
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earljr1@17.9,
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Not a problem. I have been thrown out of better places than this. I have also been thrown out of worse places. I only lasted about 10 days at the Huff Post before their exasperation overcame them and they shouted “uncle” by tossing me out.
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Liberals are all in favor of free speech as long as it agrees with them. If it does not agree, it must be stifled. It’s that totalitarian impulse to which they are so susceptible.

paulejb,
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Apr doesn’t watch Glenn Beck. She gets all her hateful comments from watching and reading left wing media sources.
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She sees the LW media take Beck’s comments and use short video clips out of context and believes the spin and garbage to be true. She is a hater. She hates all Republicans and thinks they are evil.
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She spends all her free time watching Liberal news shows and reading all the LW Blogs and websites looking for articles that demonize Republicans and rushes back to the swamp to spread her hate for her fellow man. 90% of what she posts is hateful stuff about Republicans and then when she is confronted about it she swears she doesn’t hate anyone.
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She believes conservatives are bad and Liberals are good. Her mind is warped and totally closed.

Do try to keep up, earlie,
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A number of us defended your freedom to come here and “foul” the place… (you see, this ain’t RedState-you remember that place, don’t you?). Just for a while Friday, the stars aligned and it was “peaceful, productive, and refreshing” here.
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We just equally defended the right of anyone here to pointedly ignore the “muffins” you leave behind in what passes for “RW discussion” (otherwise known as a “shout-down”) if they see fit.
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Only in your minds is that somehow “censorship”. Go to RedState and read their policies about banning those who don’t share their viewpoint.
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THAT’S “censorship”!
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afguy@22,
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Do you mean like some of the rhetoric that goes on here threatening to have posters black balled? You can’t be too careful about what you shout at “weak minded” individuals. Look what shouting “hope and change” got us.

For you on the left that don’t understand how a job is created. Here is how YOU do it…
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Patrick,
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“The wingnuts will be spending this holiday with that special somebody they care about the most- themselves”.
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You must be talking to yourself while looking in the mirror.

“I can’t imagine the real estate industry would take a hit if mortgage deduction were eliminated, people would just start buying homes they can actually afford.”
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Which might not be a bad thing. Unfortunately, the values of homes would plummet. Again that may be ok but the flip side is that a home is the single largest source of wealth for many Americans. Meaning they might not be able to afford to retire or they would have to become wards of the state. .

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You cannot make blanket changes to tax laws and not expect huge negative impacts as nothing happens in a vacuum. Saying the wealthy can afford it is a broad brush statement of an idiot. No one knows what is happening in each household. Let’ face reality a $500,000 house in Nebraska is a palace in while in NYC, SF or Boston it’s a rat-infested flophouse. Crashing RE prices will also restrain any job growth in construction as the economic will change. The list goes on and on. But what remains is any serious attempt to restrain spending. You can tax now til forever but you will never cover the growing entitlements. The 14 trillion debt is also just the tip. The federal guarantees for Fannie Freddie Pensions etc are multiples of the14 trillion. Raising taxes to increase “investment” is just more of the same npnsense

Whasssummmatter, paulie?
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Somebody hurt your feelings by saying thay didn’t waht to have to listen you you any more?
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Awesome job equating site banning with actually killing someone.
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I’ve got the world’s smallest violin right here…. and it’s playing “My Heart Bleeds for You”.
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How do you get through the day with that massive burden of imagined persecution weighting on your shoulders?

Put on your “Cloak of Superior Intellect” and put some thought into it…

diecash1@23.3,
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Have you ever read a history book, diecash? Why do you think the mosque project was originally called “Cordoba” house?
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The Koran commands [018:021] “Build a building over them, their Lord knows best about them.”

patricksartor@34,
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Careful, Patrick, the moderators might be looking in. Wouldn’t want them to catch you with your civility down, would you?

3x,
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You do realize your little RW “pity party” is getting a little thread-bare, don’t you?
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You and the other members of that sect (paulie, earljr, rusty) need to find a quiet spot, hold hands (just hands, mind you, no comparing manhood) and sing “Nobody Knows The Trouble I’ve Seen”…
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We’re tired of hearing about your “Superior Lives” and “Superior Intellects” because, honestly, we’re not seeing a whole lot of evidence of either.

Oh, almost forgot, free will be “crushed” if you don’t invite him along for the “male bonding” experience.

liberalmeltdown@32,
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Those green jobs did wonders in Spain. 20% unemployment, the highest in Europe. 2.2 jobs lost for every green job created with taxpayer money.
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Want a view of what Obamunism means for America, just look to Spain.

And Patrick, my name represents a prediction of what happens when you actually elect liberals to a majority. Sorry if the truth hurts.
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Your name says, “I am dumb enough to use my real name on a political blog, and my lively hood depends on maintaining friendly relations with clients and the public, 50% of which I insult everyday.

Gaga doesn’t need any government money.
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By the way, did you know the government of Florence sponsored artists? Ever hear of Michelangelo? He and many other artists were sponsored by church and state in many countries. Thank goodness. Can we imagine a world without Michelangelo, Reubens, Mozart, Vivaldi, etc?
Newrusty, maybe your world would not grieve their non-existence, not mine.

Paul, this is Must Read. Any subject is open for discussion.

Welcome back Patrick. Point well made.

afguy@ 22.2,
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It’s not what’s the matter with me, afguy. It’s the proliferation of whiners bleating about sharp elbows being thrown. Did they suppose that this was a dating website?

apr2563@23.6,
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You are right. It was foolish of me to fault you for changing the subject. It is something that I have been known to do myself. My apologies.

afguy@25.4,
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Au contraire. I have demonstrated my superior intellect in every one of my replies to your posts. You are either fibbing or totally lacking in perception.

Oh I get it. You have nothing of substance to offer

apr2563@33.1,
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What point was that, apr? Patrick’s points are so often opaque.

“free will be “crushed” if you don’t invite”
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And I am sure you will enjoy your sheep experience with Patrick—liberals are bahhhhhd!

“Obama['s] spending freeze…has increased discretionary spending by 24% in two years and [he] now wants to freeze spending at those obscene levels.

“Can you you defend that, foghorn?”
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Not tonight – it’s V-Day. Don’t feel like it.

But isn’t emotional babble the code of communication of the left.?

The 4 or 5 talking points as you refer are facts. I understand your confusion because liberals have no clue what they are.

Nearly every response you have is the same vacuous nonsense followed by crap that has nothing to do with what was posted but then claim the post had nothing.
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So you respond to nothing by posting paragraphs of nothing. I guess that is how you fill your nothing life.

Why do you think the mosque project was originally called “Cordoba” house?

I don’t care what they call it. It’s a community center that would be open to all to use. Those selfish and deceptive bastards! How devious of them, making their community center so enticing as to convince the local residents to use it. The caliphate is assured! Perhaps now you can return to your Glenn Beck conspiracies assured that your superior intellect has prevailed.
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BTW, the only thing you’ve demonstrated in your highly disingenuous posts is sanctimony and arrogance. How utterly predictable.

Late to the party on this one, paulie.
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Spob already owns the franchise on “I am, therefore I win”.

Well, I imagine they gave you the benefit of the doubt that you came here for reasons other than simply to “throw elbows”.
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You know, that thing called “constructive discussion”.
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Nice to see you admit that you wore out your welcome elsewhere(s)… puts the tone here into more perspective when you’re “contributing” and does a lot to keep the TP “cause” from being taken seriously, except as a source of “verbal vandalism”.

Take heart, 3xfire, afguy is a little testy because conservatives have been raining on the liberal’s little party, The biggest upset of course, is actively challenging their warped and misinformed ideology.
How dare we, say the ideologues, question their self professed “superior intelligence”, and do this when they
have mind locked individuals like patrick and april spouting their ignorance in practically every post.
Sorry, afguy, we are not going away. Your political persuasion will have to share the platform and I know this is causing you much angst. Get use to it, or here is a suggestion that april is very fond of using…STFU!

afguy@22.5,
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I am disappointed that you are a fan of stifling free speech. I would have thought that it would have occurred to you that the same tactics could be used on you.
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My discussions are always “constructive.” It may not penetrate the impermeable, but some liberals keep an open mind.
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It is a badge of honor to be banned by the Huff Post. It’s like being banned by Pravda under the Soviets.

Must be a tough day for a loser like you, patrick…….no, I forgot, you have april! May I also say, she is EXACTLY what you deserve.

Point well made?? only someone as dumb, or dumber than patrick, would understand his inanity.

apr2563@23.8,
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It does not do you credit to be among the other “useful idiots” who deny the goals and aims of radical Islam.
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It is historical fact that Muslims historically mark conquests with the building of a mosque. You would be aware of that if you didn’t believe that history began in 2008. Look up what happened to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem and at St Sophia’s Basilica.
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What did you come away with from the quote of the Koran on this very issue? Do you have an explanation for it or are you just spouting wind?

afguy@37.1,
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You misjudge me. I win because I am right more often than I am wrong and not just because I exist. Although my existence is a blessing for the unenlightened.

How dare we, say the ideologues, question their self professed “superior intelligence”,
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Do try to keep up, earlie.
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It’s your BFF paulie that applied that description to himself.
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As for sharing the platform, we have defended your right to be here. This ain’t RedState.
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By all means… have at it. But, every once in a while, do try to post something intelligent and thought-provoking.
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You know… out of character.

Oh, brother.

Well pj, I’d say you’re an idiot, though more of the sordid variety than the useful one. In your small, closed mind you think that all Muslims are in league with those that attacked us on 9/11 and that’s utterly and demonstrably false. As such, your BS fails. It’s a community center. Only paranoid right-wing idiots believe that it’s a trophy celebrating some sort of conquest of us. If this is the best you can do, equating peaceful American Muslims building a community center with Al Qaeda, then you’re not worth my time. For someone so entirely arrogant and elitist, you certainly tend to fall for the most vile bilge that the right wing puts out there. Doesn’t say much for your intellect, that’s for sure.

nflfoghorn@16.4,
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I am noticing that asking direct questions here at the Time blog brings on a form of paralysis. Are you people not familiar with the Socratic Method?

diecash@23.10,
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First a correction. 23.9 should have been addressed to diecash1. Apologies to apr2563.
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diecash1 is one of those naive individuals who believe the propaganda that Islam is the “Religion of Peace.” Lenin described people like him as “useful idiots.” He seems to be unaware that Islam was born in blood and is a warrior religion built by conquest.
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No one believes that every Muslim was complicit in 9/11, but we do know that there was a great deal of sympathy for the attack in the Muslim world. Osama became the favorite name of male newborns after 9/11.
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I have little concern about your time, but I will not let you get by with the leftist propaganda that the GZ mosque is an innocent project of peace loving Muslims. If they were so peace loving, they would move their mosque in consideration of the people who lost love ones to attacks by Muslim fanatics.

afguy@37.3,
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I feel your pain. I have often reduced liberals to that exact same sentiment. Don’t feel bad. You are not the first nor will you be the last.

@25.2..” The administration again tried to slip “death panels” through out of HHS”. Lie!! End of life counciling is not a death panel. If you want a real death panel, talk with Arizona’s Jan Brewer or a private health insurer’s corporate board. The real death panels.

“…50% of which I insult everyday…”
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NYC: conservative 20%.
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Wingnut: 3%.
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97% of NYC – including billionaires and ministers consider you way out of their range.
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My name says “I have nothing to hide“.

“Careful, Patrick, the moderators might be looking in.”
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Paullie,
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I’ve said before and I’ll say it again: if you nuts come online and treat us like a punching bag, this punching bag will punch back.
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If you were about honest debate I would welcome a well thought out conservative perspective
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“You must be talking to yourself while looking in the mirror.”

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Mr Magoo is reverting to a seven year old’s version of insults.

rwbbinla,
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Okay, rwbb. If they are not “death panels” why are they proposed and than withdrawn, first by the Senate and now by HHS? It would seem that there is more involved than meets the eye.
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Can you explain it?

patricksartor@34.4,
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Not so fast, Patrick. I am not going to let you slide on that. You came on board with a holiday greeting along with a slur of people who do not agree with you. You were not punching back, you threw the first punch.

patricksartor @36.1,
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“I have nothing to hide.
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I’ll bet Mark Zuckerberg thought the same thing. And he’s got a hell of a lot more resources than you do, Pat.

February only contributions of “Dr” Earl1Jr who explains that he uses his middle name as an explanation as to why he is not listed among Thoracic surgeons in Atlanta Georgia and that he is not a Jr, but names his son Jr and posts… as his son…. who didn’t exist before. (He and his wife had not yet had their first child.

Facts and logic have reduced patrick to a quivering mass of protoplasm.
Great job, rdw56, your patience in dealing with this windbag is certainly commendable. The more logic you provide, the more verbose and incoherent he becomes. (typical liberal) When he starts hurling insults, you know you have him on the ropes. It then becomes a matter of out lasting him.
Once again…outstanding work.

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Wow, with contributions like those, don’t you just want to invite him to your home for dinner?
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What a sweat heart!

sorry,
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these are his complete remarks
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“I think a cage full of Monkeys could have done a better job and it probably would have made more sense.
Who, in their right mind, would have left the insurance companies in charge of allocating health care and NOT provide for competitive drug pricing? Who would go out of their way to alienate 500,000 health care professionals, knowing fully well that without their support, HCR will fail?
…..this poorly designed legislation needs to be redesigned, retooled and completely redone by mature adults with more than “victory” etched in their foolish minds.
Go back to smoking your happy weed, perhaps it will make you forget the pain you may be experiencing and be sure to thank your democratic legislators for getting you into this mess.
Yes, indeed, a few more entitlement programs and we will soon be on the road to recovery.
Actually, the commander in “thief” stands guilty of stealing one of the principles providing a foundation for our country. A nation RESPONSIVE to the will of the people.
Liberals could care less about this premise and Obamacare stands as an excellent example of ignoring the people…..the 83% who, when polled, said they were “very happy” with their health care, will now be forced into a system diluted by government mandates and unmanageable bureaucracy.
they would like NOTHING better.
I, too, am amazed at the arrogance these people possess. They are SO quick in telling anyone who listens just how smart they are, but the reality of fact escapes them every time.
Delusional daydreamers would be an appropriate description for most of them.
Not exactly “listening to the will of the people”, is it,? Nor does it serve the people in the manner it was intended. Constitutional? probably not, but our commander in thief could care less. He owns this monstrosity and it could well be his Waterloo in 2012. (we can only hope!)
Extremely appropriate, I would say. A bill written by comedians, reduced to a comic book format.
It is the ONLY way their democratic constituents have ANY chance of understanding. (that they have been royally screwed)
In their haste to proclaim “victory” at any cost, they have saddled the American public with a mish mash of legislation that leaves millions uninsured and drives up the premiums for everyone else.
I suggest “falsepromisecare” or “weliedcare” or perhaps “Obamasuckscare” or “keepdreamingcare”, or even “insurance companieswincare”.
Finally, “itwontworkcare” and I think all provide a better description of this moronic legislation dumped on the American public by power hungry democratic politicians.
I see has cashed his welfare check and once again, is camped out on swampland being non productive (as usual)
You give entitlement a bad name I know people with your condition, paranoid personality disorder, that manage to remain gainfully employed.
Are you just lazy?
Yes indeed, a textbook explanation of PPD and you DO know that you consistently display at least six of those symptoms, don’t you? Time to seek help, fatpatrick, this handicap can ruin your life if left untreated.
I notice you have lost some more hair and gained a few more pounds. Your jowl’s are pendulous and actually jiggle when you talk.
Look on the bright side, though…you just might parlay those extra pounds into a seasonal Santa job at Macy’s!
Oh, how funny. Just how patronizing can be. smooooth.
Here is what I find hard to believe, that an old, pot smoking druggie like you actually taught our children at one point in your psychedelic career.There is no estimating the amount of damage you inflicted with your narrow minded perspective on life and world events. I would imagine your license was suspended when your history of drug use finally unfolded.
your ignorance is appalling.
You have already stated that you DO NOT plan to purchase insurance, so, as usual, you will continue to scam the system.
but you fall all over your fat self in trying to make it wrong.
If you actually PAID taxes, you would understand the concerns we have about Obamacare.
Trouble dealing with truth,? If a different perspective is offered, it obviously makes you uncomfortable….but crapping on the furniture?
Come on, you are better than this. Don’t be so rigid
What have YOU accomplished in life except sponge off the taxpayer? (Just like your son, you really did a lousy job of raising this cretin, you know)
you breezed right by the mental retardation part.
Take you away from google and you would find your self totally incapable of communicating. You are a social misfit, a loner and a totally forgettable character.
Failed student
Failed taxi driver
Army and police department reject (I suspect mental issues)
Failed security guard
Failed rental booking agent (because he sits on his fat butt all day and refuses to work)
And most disheartening, failed at relationships. (any number of reasons here, but most notably, lousy personality, obesity and acute paranoia)
Face up to it, you are simply a loser.
And you, , are not biased, hostile and narrow minded one bit, are you? You NEVER unleash a barb, too.
You are what you are, a washed up old pot smoking hippy with a nasty disposition (and mouth) and I am sure, a completely dull and boring person.
You are such a dunce I see the conservatives (and some of the liberals) are ripping you to shreds, as usual. You are over matched, fatboy, so why don’t you call it a day and ingest a few more cheeseburgers
Speaking of history, how long has this strain of paranoia been carried by your family?
What a MAJOR disappointment you must have been to your parents. A failure at every single undertaking. How sad.
Facts and logic have reduced to a quivering mass of protoplasm.
Great job, rdw56, your patience in dealing with this windbag is certainly commendable. The more logic you provide, the more verbose and incoherent he becomes. (typical liberal) When he starts hurling insults, you know you have him on the ropes. It then becomes a matter of out lasting him.
Once again…outstanding work.
You have effectively muted their voices with concise precision by bring sound judgment and logical reasoning to refute their liberal ideology.
No wonder they want you, banished from their playground. is a little testy because conservatives have been raining on the liberal’s little party, The biggest upset of course, is actively challenging their warped and misinformed ideology.
How dare we, say the ideologues, question their self professed “superior intelligence”, and do this when they
have mind locked individuals spouting their ignorance in practically every post.
Sorry, we are not going away. Your political persuasion will have to share the platform and I know this is causing you much angst. Get use to it, or here is a suggestion that is very fond of using…STFU!

Point well made?? only someone as dumb, or dumber than patrick, would understand his inanity.
Must be a tough day for a loser like you,…….no, I forgot, May I also say, she is EXACTLY what you deserve.”
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Such delicate eloquence.

“You came on board with a holiday greeting along with a slur of people who do not agree with you. You were not punching back, you threw the first punch.”
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“The wingnuts will be spending this holiday with that special somebody they care about the most- themselves.
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You told me that you did not join a team.
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But now you call yourself one of the wingnuts?
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The wingnuts were insulting everybody all day without me.
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I’ll get back to you in the morning.

Patrick, as usual, your posting is garbled and practically incoherent. For those who might be interested, here is the formula for my sign in name.
My middle name is Earl and I received that name to honor my mothers brother who was killed in Vietnam. He won the silver star for valor, posthumously and I carry that name with great pride.
Jr. is for my first born child and my wife honored me by giving our son my name. He and our daughter, now age six, are our pride and joy.
I am a board certified thoracic surgeon, fully licensed,enjoying a wonderful career and I take a great deal of pride in my work.
The reason for remaining anonymous….look no further than people like patrick.

You know, Pat, I just now caught this, but I’d been thinking all day (given your absense and the continued feeding) that I was wrong. Clearly, I’m the odd f@cking duck around here. Forget I ever said anything–go about your business. If there’s anyone needing to reassess his contributions here, it’s me.

To pretend that liberals despise Clarence Thomas for any other reason than that he is a black conservative who has strayed from the liberal plantation is ludicrou
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Oh, so you’re a mind-reader now? or could it be that you’re just making up random BS because hey, it’s easier than thinking?

p.s. Any justice who voted to uphold the Citizens United case is pretty much an idiot. There’s a good reasn for despising Thomas. Along with Scalia, Roberts, Alito, and Kennedy

patricksartor@34.9,
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Reread my post that you actually took the time to quote. No where in there did I say that your insult was addressed to me so I did not call myself a wingnut.
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And no I do not join teams. I am not a team player. Never have been. You on the other hand are part of a clique which like to pile on an opposition player and then pat each others butts.

Careful, next thing you know he’ll start talking about how much larger his “audience” is.

“look no further than people like patrick.”
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Whom you can verify his work and experiences instead of hiding.
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I make no claims of a PhD in economics – just all of my undergrad work completed and using what a second semester freshman would know from intermediate macro economics. (Many non-economics majors have taken this class and, had I gone to high school in New York State – rather than the suburbs across state lines – I would have learned this in high school economics class.)
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Now, if I claimed that I could under any circumstances diagnose Earl with a mental disorder definitively, you would know I couldn’t be taken seriously.
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Earl, despite the fact that he doesn’t even claim to have a background in psychology at all claims that he can which no psychologist nor psychiatrist can diagnose everybody here who is not an extreme right winger with some kind of a mental condition.

“You on the other hand are part of a clique which like to pile on an opposition player and then pat each others butts.”
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If that “team” includes at least three self proclaimed conservatives who mock those who get marching orders from AM radio and Fox with absolutely no judgment of their own, I guess you could call me a part of the “non wingnut troll” team.
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For all of my life in politics and elsewhere, there have been innumerable times I have heard a sound argument and reconsidered my POV.
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If I am on a “team” this is the team believing that only sound arguments should be posted by people sincerely interested in exchanging and/or debating ideas.

“Clearly, I’m the odd f@cking duck around here.”
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You’ve been an excellent contributor and nobody would like to see you go.
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Wingnut troll wrestling can be somewhat entertaining to do sometimes but a little exhausting and annoying more often than not and I totally agree with you that it is far less interesting to read than an actual exchange of ideas.
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Not knowing enough about computers to know if this is reasonable or not, I would like to see this blog change in this way:
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One handle per IP address – hence no sock puppets .
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A line underneath each remark which would say “is this trolling?”
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If somebody clicks it, they would get a screen to check off either “personal attack on another poster” or “distracting off topic remarks intended to hijack thread”.
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The first would go straight to a moderator who could easily see if something is an attack on a poster or not.
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The second would get the post highlighted and if 80% of the people – at least ten in total – agree that this poster is trying to hijack the thread, the remarks get removed.
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Everybody gets, starting when moderation starts, ten chance of remarks getting removed before being banned from the site.
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This would allow controversial remarks, but not the one hundred thousandth claim that climate change was a 44 year old scheme involving 20 thousand PhD Climatologists to make Al Gore a movie star or that Ronald Reagan walked on water.
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That would be fair as far as I am concerned and, unless their is a hardcore right wing effort of paid posters to attack this blog, the voting will allow everybody except the really pig headed from joining us.
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I wonder if that is possible.
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The free exchange of ideas unmoderated is impossible when you have so many immature people out there who can get their hands on a computer.

I will not let you get by with the leftist propaganda that the GZ mosque is an innocent project of peace loving Muslims.

Well jacka$$, you and your superior intellect have failed to prove otherwise. It appears that you’ve been served yet again. So much for your assumed brilliance.