In the Arena

Meanwhile, Across Town

An interesting weekend in Washington. Two conventions claiming 11,000 attendees each. One, the CPAC convention was heavily reported in the press–including by me, below; the other was the annual Teach For America alumni conference, where I moderated a panel after I’d spent three days listening to the Republican presidential candidates at CPAC. Both crowds were pretty young, but they could not have been more different. The CPAC crowd was full of grievances–America was falling apart, into a European-style socialism, the tax burden “crushing” entrepreneurs. The TFA crowd was full of questions–how do you educate more kids and teach them better, how do you deal with the stultifying education bureaucracies, how do you take the rigor and excellence that marks TFA into the broader society? If the most important question at CPAC was the one that Ron Paul asked of his young supporters–if we offer you 10% tax rates for the rest of your life, would you agree to ask nothing of the government?–the TFA alumni would answer Paul’s question with another question: What would a plan like that do for us as a society? And another question: Do you really believe that this is the most important question you can ask of citizens in a democracy? And another: Does the level of taxation have anything to do with the pursuit of happiness? Were people less happy in the 1950s and 1960s, when the marginal rates could reach as high as 70%–or in the 1990s, when the top rate was six points higher than it is today?

The panel I moderated was about Teach For All, the recent effort to expand the Teach For America principles of service and excellence to other countries. There were 900 people in the audience. There were representatives from China, India, Britain, Bulgaria, Germany, Malaysia and Australia on the dais with me–Teach For All is planting roots in approximately 40 countries around the world. These were spectacular people, smart and positive and enthusiastic. And the work they are doing is crucial: the young people of Egypt may have Facebook and Twitter, but they don’t have an educational system that teaches critical thinking; Egypt’s schools, like most in the middle east, employ rote-learning almost exclusively. It will be near-impossible to sustain a democratic revolution absent an education system that teaches people how to think for themselves.

This is the second time I’ve moderated a panel at the Teach for America conference–and both times I’ve come away exhilarated. Wendy Kopp, TFA’s founder, has not only sent tens of thousands of college graduates to teach in America’s poorest schools–where 60% of them remain after their two-year obligation ends–she’s also built a movement that is political in only one crucial aspect: its adherents believe that what they do for their country is more important than what their country does for them. They understand, implicitly, that their own personal freedoms can only be exercised, in a satisfying way, within the context of a society that pays some mind to the common good. This may seem an old-fashioned principle in the flood-tide of self-indulgence that overwhelms our country, but it is an essential one.

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  • newfreedomblog

    Meanwhile….
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    What TFA, Teachers for All is all about
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    Social Justice.
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    From their own words.
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    “COMMITMENT TO SOCIAL JUSTICE”
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    As Grant and Murray said in their book, Teaching in America: The Slow Revolution:
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    “Each teacher must answer three fundamental questions. Each question concerns a fundamental relationship a teacher constructs and reconfigures throughout his or her own life. The first of these concerns the form of the relationship with the student: What balance do I strike between expertise and nurturance? The second concerns the teacher’s relationship with colleagues and the community: What is my responsibility for shaping the ethos of the school? The answer to the third question concerns the teacher’s relationship with the society: Am I primarily a transmitter or a transformer of my society’s values?”
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    The best interests of their students should shape and guide the moral and practical choices they make—from the lofty activity of designing powerful learning experiences to the mundane responsibility of being on-time and well-prepared.

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    Wow!!
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    Thanks Joe for pointing out this group and it’s agenda on our children. I hope to also shed more sunshine of this group’s activities and ulterior motives.
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    http://tfa.gse.upenn.edu/program/program_commitment.html

  • Paul-no not that one

    Honest question-in the part you bolded do think they are talking about the students?

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Were people less happy in the 1950s and 1960s, when the marginal rates could reach as high as 70%–or in the 1990s, when the top rate was six points higher than it is today?
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    1951-63 they were 91% kicking in at $400K
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    http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php
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    Failing to check simple facts undermines your credibility, Joe.

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  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    This calculator: http://www.dollartimes.com/calculators/inflation.htm
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    has $400K in 1960 = $2.9 million in today’s dollars.
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    40% at 500K. 50% at a million. 60% at 5 million would be entirely reasonable….

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    The best interest of the students should guide the teacher and Rusty is just SHOCKED!!!!!
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    It’s moments like these that shine a light on the entire balance of the Conservative agenda. Any effort to improves people’s lives is to be mocked and scorned at all costs.

  • newfreedomblog

    Yes, from the heading of “Commitment of Social Justice”, to the entire statement in the description of the program. Also read the 2nd article I cite written about TFA and it’s goals as an organization.
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    This from what seems to be a proponent of public schools, and how the goal of attracting strong Teachers fails in TFA programs.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Okay that’s what I thought.
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    Thanks.

  • 53_3

    If I were to ask myself whether I wanted to be around hateful, angry, rigid pessimists who think they know everything like those at CPAC or hopeful, thoughtful, flexible, and inquiring optimists like those at TFA, I would certainly choose TFA.
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    For comparison, and a very good example of the former, just look at rusty’s posts and ask yourself:
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    Would I even want to be around someone like this?

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Gee, new, I take it then that you are not in favor of teachers who form positive relationships with their students, their colleagues and their communities? Teaching is a lot more than passing out assignments and grading those assignments. A good teacher gets involved when a student is having trouble learning the course work and tries to figure out if it is a learning disability or something going on in the student’s life that is causing the difficulty. A good teacher then does everything he/she can to help correct or eliminate the difficulty. A good teacher encourages learning.
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    When Joe talked about Egyptian schools employing rote-learning, I thought of most American schools. Most students in the US don’t learn how to think and dissect information until the college level, which leaves all of the non-college bound students with a mediocre education.
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    What would be so wrong with teachers who cared enough to guide students in making “moral and practical choices”? Some students don’t have parents to give them such guidance. And still others would want or need another perspective from a person they trust and admire. I had many such teachers when I was growing up and the advice I got from teachers was often followed quicker than the same advice given by my mother. My children had some teachers like that as well. OTOH, my nephews had teachers who gave and graded assignments and while my sister and BIL were both out building careers my oldest nephew got involved with the wrong people and was growing pot in his mother’s house. I’d rather have teachers who are involved any day of the week.

  • allthingsinaname

    Not even on this blog.

  • newfreedomblog

    It is ok IQ53, I will continue to be a proponent of EQUAL justice until my dying breath. You continue to shout out for “Social Justice” right along side of the Rev Jeremiah Wrights of the world.
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    But, their lot in life will never improve unless they are a basketball or football star, and hopefully do not pi$$ away all of the millions they make too quickly.
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    Continue to advocate for the enslavement of African Americans under the social justice meme of progressives.
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    Maybe one day, African Americans will see a windfall, if James Cone gets his wishes met. And “social justice” will pay off for them.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?
    v=plRkc7_a4EM&feature=related

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  • allthingsinaname

    I know from experience that those who try will sometimes fail but, those that who do not try will fail completely

  • marvyt

    Good for JK. The TFA convention should have been covered by all the major media but this is probably the only report that will appear there. Most people (and that includes pundits) have strong opinions about education but how much time and effort do they use to find out what the facts are and what is really happening at the classroom level? I don’t always agree with JK’s ideas on education, but he is sincere and he puts in the time and effort to try and get it right. And yes, I’d rather hang out with the teachers than CPAC.

  • Paul-no not that one

    When JK writes about teachers and doesn’t use the “U” word my spidey sense tingles.
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    “In Boston, TFA corps members replaced 20 pink-slipped teachers, says Boston Teachers Union President Richard Stutman. “These are people who have been trained, who are experienced and who have good evaluations, and are being replaced by brand-new employees.”
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    This month, he met with about 18 other local union presidents, all of whom said they’d seen teachers laid off to make room for TFA members.
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    “I don’t think you’ll find a city that isn’t laying off people to accommodate Teach For America,” he says.”
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    http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2009-07-29-teach-for-america_N.htm

  • anon76

    PNNTO- do we have any fact check on Stutman? The guy is definitely coming from one side of the issue.

    When I’ve had friends go to TFA, they haven’t exactly been hitting union strongholds. As of 2009, something like 60% of TFA placements were headed to New Orleans- I have a hard time believing that they were going there to replace union members.

    Also seems like TFA folks generally are going to underperforming schools. Would be good to know classroom performance levels before and after TFA insertion, to know if they are generally hurting or helping the education system.

    I’d prefer that the college kids are going where they can do the most good- their impact on the students comes before their impact on the employment status of teachers, IMO.

  • chupkar

    My God, do you really believe in ONE definition of the work “social”?

  • chupkar

    “It will be near-impossible to sustain a democratic revolution absent an education system that teaches people how to think for themselves.”

    IMO, from what I hear from my teaching friends, this is going to also stultify our democracy. Witness our resident naysayers. Bury your head, stick to the lines, don’t think anywhere outside the box because the bogeyman might get you. And you can’t see the rest of the world passing you by.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Ok, I’ve read both articles. I have little to say about the first, but the second…where do I start??
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    It seems to me that Miner went into the interviews with a closed mind. She even admits, in her second paragraph to her cynicism. And all those studies she cited, well, if you try hard enough you can find a study that supports almost any outlook. Miner was looking for studies that showed TFA in a bad light, that proved it didn’t work, and she found them. Did she even look for any studies that supported the work of TFA? She talked about them, but she didn’t cite any of them, except the one that TFA suggested she look at because in her mind that study too paints TFA as a failure.
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    Whats get me is Miner’s issue with TFA’s stated retention rate. She says it isn’t valid because a percentage of their teachers didn’t answer the survey. But all surveys report on the number of respondents only. And when 47% of the American people said they didn’t like the PPACA, the Republicans were all over it as “America has spoken, it has to be repealed and replaced”, even though 47% isn’t a majority and that number has actually come down in recent weeks.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Here is what I would have pointed to if I were you Rusty:
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    Darling-Hammond’s Houston Study
    “Does Teacher Preparation Matter?” is a peer-reviewed, scholarly evaluation of the effectiveness of the TFA approach, published by Linda Darling-Hammond and three other Stanford University colleagues in 2005. Reading through the study, one can see why TFA doesn’t like the results.

    The study is a longitudinal, six-year look at data from Houston representing more than 132,000 students and 4,400 teachers, on six different math and reading achievement tests. (TFA has sent recruits to Houston since 1991, and this year has more than 450 corps members teaching there.)

    “Although some have suggested that perhaps bright college graduates like those who join TFA may not require professional preparation for teaching, we found no instance where uncertified Teach for America teachers performed as well as standard certified teachers of comparable experience levels teaching in similar settings,” the study states.

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    Frankly a long but informative article.
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    It makes you gain respect for the people who are teachers outside of TFA and makes you think that the attack on teachers by conservatives might be all wrong if the can outperform the very same people who are qualified to and often do become CEOs

  • allthingsinaname

    Interesting. I am not sure what to make of it but, it would seem that the group as a whole are not out preforming other teachers. A foot in the door approach perhaps?
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    Thanks for the link

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Yeah, I picked up on that too. It’s all rote-learning here in Erie, PA. My 12 yr old niece doesn’t even take any social studies or history classes–its just reading and math. I asked once why history isn’t a part of the reading teaching and the school board members couldn’t give me an answer except to say that at grade level history isn’t needed for the standardized tests. And forget about teaching kids to think for themselves… even I never got into that until college.
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    In college I was an English major with a concentration in secondary ed. Most of the education students I went to school with had decided on that career path not because they wanted to be excellent teachers but because of the summers off, etc. A few years ago, a nearby school district wanted to have school year round, with only two weeks off for summer vacation–it was the teachers’ union that stopped it. From what I could tell, most parents were for it, though some for the wrong reasons in that they wouldn’t have to worry about child care during the summer months if their kids were in school. Still, it would have been a win/win for both working parents and the kids to have a longer school year.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Overall, of course, I see your underlying ideology of hopelessness and stagnation as your goals ( the antithesis of ‘hope and change’ which you laugh at with disdain )
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    Overall the article you posted that I cited had one clear message: wonderful idea, but, our teachers are even better than these top of the line fresh college grads because additional training and work experience add a huge amount of value.
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    Unfortunately for you, this thesis would lead to say that seniority pay promoted by teachers unions is 100% legitimate.
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    But, I’ll grant you this: intentionally or by accident, you found a sound, reasonable article.
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    Honestly, how does one manage to be right wing without suffering from severe depression? The two seem to go hand in hand.
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    I, also, find it ironic that that conservatives adore innovations in the private sector, but, if that better mousetrap was invented by NASA to catch mice in their lab, conservatives attack it like it is blasphemy.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Rusty, you had a great link at 1.2 and now you’re back to your usual toilet paper.
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    What happened?
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    Never mind.
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    Take your anti-depressants and keep on letting Fox and AM radio tell you what to think until you are unable to get out bed in the morning.

  • garylk

    Patrick, that’s similar to what I understood about his postings today. Teacher’s unions are bad, except when they are good.

  • 53_3

    Isn’t it funny how rusty is the first to go off on a racial tangent?
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    I thought my comment was about TFA vs CPAC and who I’d want to be around.
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    Not a word about race…

  • apr2563

    A good teacher has no choice but to care for the whole child. When I taught, my classes included latch key kids, migrant worker kids who lived in bathroomless hovels, children who were abused, children who did not have enough nourishment, victims of bigotry, kids who had mental and physical disabilities, and children just looking for a warm heart.
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    Call it social justice. My job was to reach out to those children and give them an education, love, and security. That is the moral and practical choice I made.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Joe,
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    You must have noticed that I am here incessantly but rarely address the author such as yourself.
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    Both crowds were pretty young, but they could not have been more different. The CPAC crowd was full of grievances–America was falling apart, into a European-style socialism, the tax burden “crushing” entrepreneurs. The TFA crowd was full of questions–how do you educate more kids and teach them better, how do you deal with the stultifying education bureaucracies, how do you take the rigor and excellence that marks TFA into the broader society?

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    Now, sir, this is the difference between conservative and liberal: dread vs hope.
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    Your article yesterday:
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    Some liberals are afflicted by the reverse of Paul’s conceit–they assume that a majority of people can’t make intelligent choices for themselves, that parents can’t chose the best school for their kids, that the elderly can’t choose the best health plan, that government should regulate risk-taking of any sort, that firing employees should be highly regulated (as in Europe). This can be a safer model–or a more disastrous one, if it goes so far as to crush enterprise.

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    You just missed the boat. That looked like Ron Paul and Sarah Palin got together to describe what liberals are.
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    Think of TFA as what liberals are all about, Joe.
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    ( How many people were at both places besides reporters – none I suspect since idealists are not conservative)

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Not a word about race…”
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    I think he was saving up that link ( as if we were going to watch this video) and jumped the gun when he saw your handle.

  • Paul-no not that one

    anon, I don’t know enough about TFA to have a strong opinion.
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    I do know enough about JK to understand his hatred of teachers unions so with a simple search I got my answer.
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    TFA may be part of a way to improving education, and new ideas and ways are always worth exploring.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    chupkar@1.7 If that question was directed at me, yes, I do. Social as in society. It is the responsibility of each of us as members of a society, as well as the government, to care for those unable to care for themselves.

  • ohiolibb

    It is ok IQ53, I will continue to be a proponent of EQUAL justice until my dying breat
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    Rustyblog, you wouldn’t know equal justice if it bit you on the a$$. But go back to your hateful paranoid ramblings. It amuses me.

  • apr2563

    Paul, thanks for the interesting information. I read his post waiting for the anti-union tirade. I wonder if he would like to see his fellow journalists laid-off and replaced by younger, perhaps less qualified, people. Looking at their site, the “volunteers” seem to get a respectful salary, benefits, and other perks. But, they are not members of a pesky union. If they choose to stay at their assigned school, I wonder if they join a union.
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    I have been curious for some time whether Joe belongs to some journalist trade guild. When his book was made into a movie, did he join a related guild?
    In any case, I am sure he has been involved in negotiating salary either as an individual or part of a guild. I am sure he has taken advantage of benefits brought to him through negotiations. Although he seems to think job security is a given for teachers, it is not. Witness mass lay offs.

  • newfreedomblog

    I love this guy, he is an American!! Perfectly defines “A Liberal” these days.
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  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    jay, the question wasn’t really about what the top tax rates were, it was about were people less happen when they were earning over $400,000 and paying 91%? I don’t think they were because they knew where their money was going–to roads and bridges and schools. In the 1950s and ’60s kids actually learned stuff. I was in elementary school during the moon missions and NASA had us all, girls and boys, excited about science. Today, nobody wants to pay for anything. And I’m as guilty as the next person because I just bought myself a new wardrobe at Walmart. I could have gone to the mall and spent two or three times as much, but Walmart actually carries a brand I prefer. And why pay twice as much for the same thing?

  • newfreedomblog

    More from Herman…
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  • Paul-no not that one

    Hey something tangible DID come out of CPAC! No not the silly straw poll…
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    “Andrew Breitbart, the owner of several conservative Web sites, was served at the conference on Saturday with a lawsuit filed by Shirley Sherrod, the former Agriculture Department employee who lost her job last year over a video that Mr. Brietbart posted at his site biggovernment.com.
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    The video was selectively edited so that it appeared Ms. Sherrod was confessing she had discriminated against a farmer because he was white. In the suit, which was filed in Washington on Friday, Ms. Sherrod says the video has damaged her reputation and prevented her from continuing her work.”
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/us/politics/13cpac.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

  • newfreedomblog

    “It is the responsibility of each of us as members of a society, as well as the government, to care for those unable to care for themselves.”

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    I rest my case your Honor.
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    If anyone wants to know what is wrong with our Schools, why our children are not learning and their test schools are either falling or stagnant, look no further than this statement from our friend erieangel.
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    Government is merely the tool social justice liberals use to continue the enslavement of poor people. Instead of a hand-up, government provides a hand-out to continue the dependency on the government. All in name of the almighty vote.
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    Teach children how to work, how to save, how to become independent. Teach them how to be proficient in math, biology, reading, and how to correctly put two sentences together which make sense.
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    You don’t need to teach my children about “my two Mommies”. You don’t need to teach my children about community organizing or big labor movement strategies, teach them a trade skill instead. You don’t need to teach my children that “everyone is a winner, we don’t have losers here”, that’s a lie and not real life.
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    You will lose, but you can pick yourself back up and you can try harder the next time. Then you shall win.

  • chupkar

    No, that was for Newfreeblahblah.

  • apr2563

    Good news!

  • 53_3

    Excellent.
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    When you do something malicious, you pay for it…

  • 53_3

    I note that if you are a far right crackpot, apparently, there is no such thing as libel or defamation of character….

  • 53_3

    What should one take from this, I ask:
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    Well, it seems that a “28%er” has picked a “3%er” in an attempt to show that 90% of the 11% of all Americans in a specific ethnic group actually agree with him.
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    Okaaaaaaaay.
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    And alien abductions are real, too…

  • 53_3

    Squeeze some lemons, rusty…

  • 53_3

    “It is ok IQ53, I will continue to be a proponent of EQUAL justice until my dying breath.”
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    Well, since you are so convinced about this, I would grab thy sword, hie thee to thy nearest predominantly Black neighborhood and see how many of their good citizens rally behind you as you charge into the flaming maw of fate!
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    I have no doubt that they will fallow you – but – I also have no doubt that they’ll be bring their DVR’s to the roasting…

  • newfreedomblog

    Herman’s description of a liberal. S.I.N.
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    Shift the subject”
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    Ignore the facts”
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    Name Call”
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    You got it Herman. Right on brother!!
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    The EXACT same tactics we see here everyday in the swamp. Is there a liberal school were folks go to learn this crap?

  • Paul-no not that one

    Of course the White House didn’t exactly cover itself with glory during that period.

  • Matt

    If you’re so shallow and mercenary that money equals happiness, then low taxation rates will do the trick for you. But if you;re not a heartless robot, things like standard of living and education and lifestyle and the well-being of your community are all more important…
    http://www.sunstateactivist.org

  • newfreedomblog

    And for “desert” and my global warming nut cases
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    The Weather Isn’t Getting Weirder The latest research belies the idea that storms are getting more extreme.
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    OMG, I think I found out how to S.I.N. This is cool!! Oh darn, I messed up again. I only S.N.’ed. One of these days I will get it right.
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    “In other words, researchers have yet to find evidence of more-extreme weather patterns over the period, contrary to what the models predict. “There’s no data-driven answer yet to the question of how human activity has affected extreme weather,” adds Roger Pielke Jr., another University of Colorado climate researcher.
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    Some climate alarmists claim that cyclones, such as Cyclone Yasi, are a result of man-made CO2 emissions.
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    We do know that carbon dioxide and other gases trap and re-radiate heat. We also know that humans have emitted ever-more of these gases since the Industrial Revolution. What we don’t know is exactly how sensitive the climate is to increases in these gases versus other possible factors—solar variability, oceanic currents, Pacific heating and cooling cycles, planets’ gravitational and magnetic oscillations, and so on.
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    Given the unknowns, it’s possible that even if we spend trillions of dollars, and forgo trillions more in future economic growth, to cut carbon emissions to pre-industrial levels, the climate will continue to change—as it always has.”

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “Does the level of taxation have anything to do with the pursuit of happiness? Were people less happy in the 1950s and 1960s, when the marginal rates could reach as high as 70%–or in the 1990s, when the top rate was six points higher than it is today?”

    An excellent question, even if, as Jay points out, the numbers are off. The two Reagan tax cuts dropped the rates from 70 to 28%. So, we don’t have to go nearly as far back to find such rates. Rates that are now heresy to both sides of the duopolistic coin.

  • Paul-no not that one

    jc-you are an educator so I am curious what your thoughts are on TFA.
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    And is education in Japan more rote learning or a combination of rote/critical problem solving?
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    I’m not even sure that I phrased that properly but I think you get what I am asking.

  • apr2563

    Joe, one of your education reform heroes is Michelle Rhee.
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/10/AR2011021007240.html
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    A former D.C. math teacher, Guy Brandenburg, posted on his blog a study that includes test scores from the Baltimore school where Rhee taught from 1992 to 1995. The post, dated Jan. 31, generated intense discussion in education circles this week. In it, Brandenburg contended that the data show Rhee “lied repeatedly” in an effort to make gains in her class look more impressive than they were.

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    Since you now consider yourself an expert on American education, Joe, will you do any follow- up on this report?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “It is the responsibility of each of us as members of a society, as well as the government, to care for those unable to care for themselves.”

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    I rest my case your Honor.
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    If anyone wants to know what is wrong with our Schools, why our children are not learning and their test schools are either falling or stagnant, look no further than this statement from our friend erieangel.

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    At Rusty U, we have our own curriculum:
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    Schoolyard brawls.
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    Bullying.
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    Reading.
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    Math (until the fourth grade, after that numbers get soft and liberal and used for liberal ideas).
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    Crudeness.
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    Steel lunch money.
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    That’s because here at Rusty U, we know what life is all about: being a total as$hole at all times The good Ole Republican way!

  • artraveler

    I guess those greenhouse owners who add CO2 gas to the greenhouses to hold the heat better by sunlight are just wasting their time and money but then again, they are businessmen which by Rusty’s thinking means they must be conservative and thus wouldn’t do this because it doesn’t work, except when it does.

    Rusty lives in a world where his science knowledge stopped at 2nd grade when he learned that salt melts ice (except when it doesn’t).

    He doesn’t even believe in gravity because that is a theory, not a law. Not sure what keeps him from floating away from his keyboard but we need to get rid of it.

  • anon76

    jc- I’d second the request for your opinion on TFA.
    .
    In my experience (several friends when I was in college, several students I have mentored since) it has been an unmitigated good- sort of a domestic Peace Corps for inner-city schools. I’d hate to see the program get tarred here just because JK had some nice things to say about it.

  • apr2563

    Also, jcapan, do they have a tiered system. Can we compare outcomes with the US if they do?

  • shepherdwong

    Thanks for the generally fair and accurate characterization of liberals and liberal viewpoints, Joe (as opposed to the usual cartoon versions), it is much appreciated.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    From what I know of it (admittedly not much), TFA sounds like an excellent program. I assistant taught as a volunteer in the VISTA Americorps program in Denver (3rd grade). My students had never seen anyone with green eyes before.
    .
    As with so many things, Japan and the US lie at opposite extremes. J is almost entirely focused on memorization, but it does work as far as that goes. American culture, not merely its schools, breeds great critical thinkers, but bereft of facts and fundamentals, how far does that get you? These are both, based in years of experience, rather broad generalizations.
    .
    History offers an excellent example. Here every knows how long the Kamakura era lasted and who the principal figures were. But I dare you to find a single person out of a 100 who will make a critical remark about the horrors of feudalism. America produces a lot of high school and college grads who talk out of their a$s about anything and everything but …

  • 53_3

    It sure didn’t, Obama’s advisers jumped the gun before they even knew what they were dealing with.
    .
    It would have taken only a little sleuthing, and talking to her first to get her side of the story before leaping.
    .
    Embarrassments all around, but Breitbart Gets the Grammy on this one…

  • 53_3

    Are you saying that our education system is churning out far right lunatics, jcapan? (LOL)
    .
    I get your entire commentary, though. I think part of it here might be too strong a focus on process and not results.
    .
    The idea seems to be that one will arrive at the rote-learned answers by applying the processes learned, but we are not clearly identifying how and when such processes should be applied, or even if they should in the first place.
    .
    Both rote and process have a role. Maybe one day we will figure it out…

  • Paul-no not that one

    That’s exactly what I was wondering.
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    Thanks JC.
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    This was version 7,788,999 of comments being greater than the post.

  • 53_3

    Get rid of gravity?
    .
    How about just get rid of rusty’s keyboard, instead.
    .
    We kinda need that gravity stuff, whatever it is…

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Embarrassments all around, but Breitbart Gets the Grammy on this one..”
    .
    Agreed fitty, but I would use BAFTA. That’s what we will be watching tonight.

  • 53_3

    The British have their own Oscars?
    .
    How could this be?1?
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    I thought America was exceptional!
    .
    I’m wondering what the British think of Cervais. I’m sure there were more than a few “nationalistic” chuckles…

  • freeinpa

    “At Rusty U, we have our own curriculum:
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    Schoolyard brawls.
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    Bullying.
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    Reading.
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    Math (until the fourth grade, after that numbers get soft and liberal and used for liberal ideas).
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    Crudeness.
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    Steel lunch money.”
    .
    Every once in awhile Rev Jim let’s out a nugget of truth. What he unwittingly did was express the agenda only it is occurring in Washington DC, NYC, Chicago among other urban areas. Unfortunately that is the agenda in return to over $10,000/student in taxpayer funds. And of course the left thinks teachers are doing a splendid job and the solution (come on say with me) is more money!

  • 53_3

    FYI, I cannot tell a lie:
    .
    I had to look BAFTA up…

  • apr2563

    jcapan: My concern with TFA is that it is not a government program like Vista Americorp. From what I understand about Vista Americorp, volunteers receive about $4000 after completion for their college eduction. It sounds like a valuable way to get experience. Believe me, I learned more as a student teacher than I ever did in college ed classes.
    Did you actually teach unsupervised classes?
    .
    Although TFA might be a great experience and help in a community, I want to know why they are replacing laid off teachers? Since these are not contracted teachers but temps, how likely will it be that they will join a union. Is that the point?

  • Paul-no not that one

    I have my suspicions on the, let’s be honest, white male Beltway lust, I mean fetish, I mean “interest” in Rhee.
    .
    That’s not to dismiss honest “I love the way she hates teachers” feelings.
    .
    Tiger Chancellor, indeed.

  • freeinpa

    “40% at 500K. 50% at a million. 60% at 5 million would be entirely reasonable..”
    .
    Amazing how liberals are always eager to tax someone else’s hard earned money and hand it out to someone else anf then call it reasonable. These same folks call a 15% profit margin excessive but a 60% tax rate reasonable? And they call conservative wing nuts

  • Paul-no not that one

    BAFTA is more fun than the Oscars, less fun that the Independent Spirit Awards.
    .
    I’m guessing the over-rated King’s Speech will have a big night.
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    Yes. We see a lot of movies. Gotta do something between the World Series and Spring Training.

  • freeinpa

    “Would I even want to be around someone like this?

    Not even on this blog”
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    So says the tolerant all inclusive left.who display the fallacy of that claim and utter hypocrisy with every breatrh

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Of course the top marginal income tax rates make very little difference to almost everybody, especially when they only affect the top percentile of earners. So it doesn’t make much difference to the nation’s happiness quotient
    .
    Mismanaging the government is the issue, not the level of taxation is what matters, sure. Joe is using a silly argument to make that point when he talks about the top marginal rates. But the least he could do is get the facts right.
    .
    He’s also, left-handedly, trying to point out that the days conservatives seem to hearken to are those same decades of the fifties and early sixties, pictures of June Cleaver pulling the roast from the oven, and those were days when tax policies do not match what they advocate today.

  • freeinpa

    “Excellent.
    .
    When you do something malicious, you pay for it…”
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    I look froward to Ray LaHood, Eric Holder and many in Obama administration to be served. The left need t be real careful of what they wish for. To say their hands are not exactly clean is a monumental understatement.
    .

    We will also get a glimpse of how they view freedom of the press

  • freeinpa

    “if you;re not a heartless robot, things like standard of living and education and lifestyle and the well-being of your community are all more important…”
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    And why is it that liberals who are ever so generous with other people’s money have the arrogance they know better who should have what standard of living and how it should be provided..

  • freeinpa

    What happened to the peer reviewed science that had all the answers. It seems it only has the answers when it liberals agree with other fraudulent liberals.
    .
    And based on the “settled science of the left” they predicted warmer winters not more snow—ooops

    “Unfortunately for Gore and others who have claimed that the snow this winter is a global warming byproduct, their own authorities have said climate change will result in less snow.
    Both the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) have predicted warmer, less snowy winters.”
    .
    If they can only get the weather to cooperate with liberal lies

  • Paul-no not that one

    apr-you raise really good questions.
    .
    This is why it be would be nice if the author would weigh into comments.
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    I don’t blame JK for not wanting to spend a Sunday afternoon here but as an advocate he could respond with a worthy perspective.
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    Again, we miss KT.

  • 53_3

    Well, there is the legal system, freeinpa.
    .
    I would scrape together as much money as you can and sue ‘em.
    .
    Take your plaint to court. After all, that’s what she did…

  • 53_3

    …and while we’re at it, let’s snag freeinpa’s, too…

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Fitty, I’d say there are a fair number of uninformed liberals too, but compared to our brethren on the right…
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    Apr, as I said, I know very little about the program. Most of my career has been spent in college classrooms and teaching ESL abroad. If they’re replacing laid off teachers and/or indirectly weakening unions, I’d have to reassess my view.
    .
    I was an asst. teacher. Had no business being the head teacher in a 3rd grade classroom. All I had was an MA in lit.

  • freeinpa

    “and those were days when tax policies do not match what they advocate today.”
    .
    So is he advocating the return to the social standards of those days? I doubt it. The argument is progress and by that token progress would follow that we have lower tax rates.
    .
    But of course you are correct in that we have mismanagement of the government. The issue is not more taxes but too much spending.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Imagine spending 11 hours per day seven days per week having flame wars with people you hate?
    .
    What kind of a Freak would do that?
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    Can you imagine?

  • freeinpa

    “I would scrape together as much money as you can and sue ‘em.”
    .
    But isn’t that the wonder of the lottery legal system that the left loves. You don’t need money just a crackpot lawyer to take the case and extort a settlement. Part of the ongoing victim’s infrastructure the left has given this country.

  • russpoter

    WRONG, JOE

    Sigh. Sir, you never get it.

    CPAC: government people.

    TFA: NOT government people.

    Got it?

  • russpoter

    WRONG, J

    You and Klein prove 80% of Americans do NOT understand basic economics.

    In the time period you cite, there were MAJOR TAX SHELTERS now gone.

    DUH.

  • freeinpa

    “and while we’re at it, let’s snag freeinpa’s, too”

    .
    AN idiotic retort from an idiot. But when you have nothing to contradict fact smears, distortion and obfuscation is the left’s only line of attack. Notice how day by day there are more reports and more scientists throwing cold water on the “settled science” of global warming. I guess they are going to have to figure out another way to extort money to re-distribute.

  • shepherdwong

    …based on the “settled science of the left” they predicted warmer winters not more snow—” and predicted this particular winter exactly:

    El Niño was generally expected to result in a great opportunity for above average winter rainfall when we wrote about it late last summer; indeed, the experts’ forecast for a moderate bordering on high El Niño/Southern Oscillation Index played out almost perfectly. As autumn slid into winter, the increased subtropical jet stream developed almost on cue, and the rains began as November turned to December. The chill felt in Deep South Texas was likely from a combination of the increased cloud cover along with a persistent negative Arctic Oscillation teleconnection, which aided the import of colder air behind developing storm systems moving from the northern Gulf through the Mid Atlantic region. El Niño looks to be holding on as we move into early spring. For more on the possible evolution of Deep South Texas weather conditions as we move through March and April, click here.

    And once more for the thinking and science-impaired: weather isn’t climate and climate change science predicts more varied and extreme weather events and trends.
    .
    http://www.srh.noaa.gov/bro/?n=2010event_wintersummary
    .
    [A note to our friend, patricksartor. I'm perhaps a poor council for restraint in over-engaging our wingnut co-commentors so I've let jc ably carry the water there. But as someone who believes that public square is also for shouting down idiots, liars and traitors, allow me to give you my own advice on the wingnut beatdown.
    .
    Above all, pick your battles. Wingnuts spread more bullsh!t in a single paragraph than a bull does in a week so pick the most egregious or immortal lies and beat them down hard with a concise, to-the-point rebuttal using authoritative sources. Then move on. You won't convince them of anything but, by your third paragraph (or, god forbid, third reply), no one else is listening either.]

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I am just wondering.
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    Outside of the late Gus Hall, of the Communist Party USA, who, like his movement, grew old and died has there ever been anybody who said 15% profit margin excessive?
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    I never heard that.
    .
    I wonder if some nuts on the far right have a Sixth Sense:
    .

    .
    ( and his name is Gus Hall. )

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Brietbart crossed a line.
    .
    Defamation laws exempt lying about people deemed “public figures”.
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    Sherrod was just an officeholder.
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    She never put herself out there.
    .
    I hope she gets a big settlement.

  • 53_3

    forsooth, freeinpa!
    .
    You wouldn’t be having an equity problem here, would you?
    .
    I mean, if you have money, and can sue, but still whine about being unfairly treated, don’t you think it’s really a signal that you should come over to the dark side?
    .
    Sacred and I will buy you your first drink celebrating your status as a newly minted librul…

  • 53_3

    I agree shep.
    .
    I’ve learned quite a bit since being here on Swampland.
    .
    I also agree that sometimes, it is best to oppose a point of view, in particular, if it something that I feel should not be part of normal discourse.
    .
    But I too have to pick my battles, half out of respect for other commenters and half out of the need to chasten those who indulge in hatred.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Sigh. Sir, you never get it.

    CPAC: government people.

    TFA: NOT government people.

    Got it?”
    .
    So, Russ, Government people equals unhappy people?
    .
    Not if you’re liberal.
    .
    If the right is so unhappy due to being involved with government, maybe they should go home and enjoy life while liberals, who are happy when creating new ideas in government, have fun working on solving problems.
    .
    Deal?
    .
    BTW since when were public school teachers outside of the government?

  • ohiolibb

    The difference, freewelcher, is that liberals don’t kick out people because we disagree with them. Or is not liking racists wrong in your little world?

  • 53_3

    I also might point out that thee is a secular aspect to the Global Warming issue and that is that as air warms, evapotranspiration and evaporation increase both increasing water vapor pressure in the atmosphere.
    .
    There are dueling feedback loops – one negative – the reflectivity of cloud cover, and one positive – the fact that water vapor is even a more efficient greenhouse gas than CO2.
    .
    At this time, the timescale is on the order of at least 500 to 1,000 years so trying to do more than trace the data trends. Year to year changes are not going to prove anything one way or another – but – things like the ‘hockey stick’ graph are corroborative of the theory that global warming is taking place.
    .
    And much to rusty and freeinpa’s chagrin, there is no “settled science”. Even General Relativity has it’s detractors, and they have good, hard, yet paradoxical data to swing like a club against whatever the current paradigm* is.
    .
    *Actually, the paradigm with both Quantum Theory and GR is that they are good stand-ins for reality but will eventually be revised. Global warming is no different.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    There were indeed tax shelters–investments in things like rail cars that had depreciation schedules for tax purposes that reflected a shorter economic life than was actually the case.
    .
    One of the results of high marginal rates is a great deal more effort expended in evading or avoiding taxes, which is the point being made here. Note, though, that this argument is in direct opposition to Laffer’s claim that high marginal rates discourage people from working, and that, therefore, lowering rates raises economic activity, and, hence, revenues.
    .
    It’s not like there are not plenty loopholes in the current tax code, though. The most egregious is probably the interest rate carry, that lets hedge fund operators treat their fees as capital gains.
    .

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “A note to our friend, patricksartor. I’m perhaps a poor council for restraint in over-engaging our wingnut co-commentors so I’ve let jc ably carry the water there”
    .
    Shep, I’d be lying through my teeth if I said I didn’t occasionally enjoy your gift. A 12-toed Scottish mate once told I me I was the most verbally brutal person he’d ever met, but he’d obviously not had the pleasure of observing your work here.

  • apr2563

    Patrick: Back in the dark ages when I was in college, Gus Hall was scheduled to speak at our campus. McCarthyism and Bircherism was still with us. The college administration canceled his speech.
    .
    The students called a protest meeting. Believe me, I wasn’t political back then. I went because there was a cute guy I wanted to meet (later we married). The students protested the censorship and the paternalism.
    .
    The leaders of the protest were Korean War vets who were on the GI bill. Of course, they lost the debate, it was the early 60s. But that protest did help politicize me. I don’t think anyone cared about Gus Hall’s beliefs but they did care about freedom of speech that they fought for.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I don’t think anyone cared about Gus Hall’s beliefs but they did care about freedom of speech that they fought for.”
    .
    I only recently became familiar with that name, after he died since he was so insignificant but, at the end of the day, Hall didn’t murder people, Hall didn’t blow people up or blow things up. He had some ludicrous ideas which honest debate would extinguish.
    .
    I guess that’s why the far right seems to mistake tolerating a speech by a communist is the same thing as being a communist just the same way that they are now trying to say that Saudi Arabia’s oppressive Islamic government is liberal since we let them speak.
    .
    There is nothing even vaguely liberal about Islamic governments. But, long thoughts seem to confuse the far right.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Matt,
    .
    I could never imagine Ron Paul’s world where it is the will of the people that government tells us all to go F ourselves.
    .
    It’s just such a distortion of democracy to think that people can vote for whomever we want, but so long as it doesn’t touch the oligarchy’s income as Paul is proposing.

  • shepherdwong

    Thanks, jc. It’s a dirty job…

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Above all, pick your battles….”
    .

    we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
    we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
    we shall fight on the beaches,
    we shall fight on the landing grounds,
    we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
    we shall fight in the hills;

    .
    If that doesn’t work, I will try starving them out.
    .
    But if starving them out doesn’t work with the actual wingnuts – not legitimate conservatives I will just go to one of the moderate sites.
    .
    And, yes, to be frank, I do sometimes like beating them into the ground, but, with such weak arguments, I sometimes look back and realize I spent all day arguing with somebody who debates like an eighth grader and feel a little embarrassed, too.
    .
    BTW The Churchill quote is tongue in cheek. I do see a world of difference between debate and war (mostly by the fact that I haven’t had limb blown off and am very glad of that).

  • shepherdwong

    And, yes, to be frank, I do sometimes like beating them into the ground…
    .
    I too admit to that guilty pleasure. Liberals, after all, get so few wins these days. Why the country is so in the sh!tter.

  • freeinpa

    “Outside of the late Gus Hall, of the Communist Party USA, who, like his movement, grew old and died has there ever been anybody who said 15% profit margin excessive?
    .
    I never heard that.”
    .
    That’s because you have your head up your a$s. During the HC debacle the Democrats in Congress and the liberal journolists and bloggers vilified HC insurance companies about excess profits. And their profit margins? 15%

  • freeinpa

    “The difference, freewelcher, is that liberals don’t kick out people because we disagree with them.”
    .
    Oh really? That probably explains the speech codes on campus. You control the speech if they violate it they can be expelled and sentenced to sensitivity training and to hades with free speech. Or maybe that explains why JC Watts was never allowed to join the Black Caucasus in Congress.
    .
    Keep lying to yourself it what the left does best

  • freeinpa

    “Defamation laws exempt lying about people deemed “public figures”.
    .
    Wait unitl they start deposing her, her friends and the Administration about the Pigford scandal. She may actually have to resort to working again instead of trying to extort money.
    .
    “And, yes, to be frank, I do sometimes like beating them into the ground, but, with such weak arguments, I sometimes look back and realize I spent all day arguing with somebody who debates like an eighth grader and feel a little embarrassed, too

    .
    And the world’s biggest failure is embracing the IQ5 tactic of blathering on and saying nothing declaring victory then telling everyone how brilliant he is. You strill a drop out and a failure. You combined with IQ5 won’t break a double digit IQ. It seems if you ar so smart and you argue all day with 8th graders it should tell you that you not close to being as smart as you keep telling us you are.

  • freeinpa

    “weather isn’t climate and climate change science predicts more varied and extreme weather events and trends”
    ..
    ANd they have done so poorly and incorrectly which leads anyone who can think that either they know nothing of what they say or the models they are using are no worth a crap.

  • ohiolibb

    That probably explains the speech codes on campus
    -
    This may come as a shock to you, but not all campuses are liberal. And even those that are do not necessarily have liberal administrations. But keep making up random “facts”. I’m sure they make you feel better.

    p.s. There aren’t a a whole lot of actual “liberals” in congress. There are a lot of Ds, but not many actually liberals.

  • 53_3

    “Or maybe that explains why JC Watts was never allowed to join the Black Caucasus in Congress.”
    .
    I’m not sure if that ever actually happened, but it does point to something I’ve been saying all along:
    .
    The far rights ideology and theories with respect to the Black community that not even a Black man can sell them on it.
    .
    …and I’m also sure that there are plenty of congressional caucuses that none on the CBC would be allowed to join either.
    .
    I’m sure you aren’t trying to sneak in a bit of an equity issue here, are you?
    .
    Or is maybe Affirmative Action for Conservatives next?

  • 53_3

    Looks like I won again…

  • 53_3

    ok, freeinpa, schooltime:
    .
    You’ve ventured that the models are crap. Either you are an informed climate scientist or you are a know-nothing blowhard:
    .
    Now, I want to see you explain why
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  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Don’t you hate it when wingnuts invent things.
    .
    For example, when Democrats said that the Public Option as medicade does, gives you more bang for your buck by not having 5% go into advertising, not having as much go into high executive salaries and no profit to share making sure than 90% of the money goes directly to doctors, hospitals and medicine rather than private insurance which, for many reasons, only delivers 80% towards doctors, hospitals and medicine gets rewritten to be some bizarre claim of an opposition to profits.
    .
    An opposition to preventable expense is 0% similar to an opposition to profits.
    .
    Some of these right wingers shut off the sound to C span and start playing recordings of Gus Hall speeches from who knows when and make believe that this is reality. Either that or Fox and AM radio distorts and garbles things beyond comprehension for them.
    .
    It must be sad to be in that distorted right wing world where every statement said by the Democrats has all of it;s facts removed and replaced with lies.
    .
    They must be extremely unhappy people.

  • pintortwo

    ..vilified HC insurance companies about excess profits
    .
    All companies try to max profits, we accept that, no one complains. We love success stories. But this is different.
    .
    In pursuit of consistent profits, the stalwarts if this industry have fostered a national standard of care far bellow reasonable expectations– at a terribly inefficient cost. In the process they have polluted our legislature and civil discourse.
    .
    I would only bring up insurance companies to harp on their influence over our reps. I vilify companies for being greedy, but I blame our elected for being whores.

  • stewartiii

    NewsBusters: TIME’s Joe Klein Bashes CPAC, Praises Teach for America Conference
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2011/02/14/times-joe-klein-bashes-cpac-praises-teach-america-conference

  • rdw56

    These comments from libs prove GW is religion and not science. You’ve lost on the science. You’ve been crushed on the science. One does not have to be a scientist to understand the warming trend that started in 1971 ended in1998. One does not have to be a scientist to understand it hasn’t gotten any warmer since 1998 and it looks like 2011 will be cooler as well for the 13th year of flat temps.

    This is your problem. It’s not complicated. You’ve also lost control of the data and as we get real scientists looking at previous studies that had been peer reviewed we see they didn’t review much. Climategate was about academics refusing to share or explain their data and behaving as if they had something to hide. We also found out many had never been peer reviewed. Mann and Jones never provided their base data for peer review.

    The fact is the govt gravy train of grants has been proven to be a corrupting factor and even the British Royal Society now insists peer review isn’t good enough. No studies will be presented or published until each shred of base data is put on their public website.

    As a political issue your efforts have been pathetic. GW never made it out of the bottom 10% on Gallups various lists of the most important issues. Unfortunately for you the MSM works on hype and tends to develop people like Al Gore as spokesman for variuous causes and you could not have picked someone as anti-science as Al. His exaggerations are legendary and non-stop.

    You had a true disaster by Obama at Copenhagen two years ago followed by an even worse disaster in Cancun last year. The gig is up. Japan opened the meeting announcing they would not be party to any more discussions of a new Kyoto. They were followed by another two dozen nations. It’s all over. Exxon and Shell will continue their green PR campaigns while they continue to increase reserves and production each year. Thanks to drilling advances the USA is expected to increase natural gas production more than
    20% the next decade and it could be substantially higher and as you might know 14 nuclear power plants are under construction with several coming online in 2015.

    At the same time the argument we’re creating an ecological nightmare is belied by the facts. America gets cleaner every day. We have more forest now than at anytime in the last 200 years. Our streams are cleaner and more states are removing dams to restore fish populations. When I was a kid Downtown Philly was encased in smog. Today it’s clear as a bell 20 miles away. What’s more, improving technology is making things even cleaner. Obama’s plan for hi-speed rail is going to fail because the economic argument is absurd but also there’s no more environmental argument. Americans are not going to give up their cars because they’re dirty because they’re not dirty. In 1970 you could look at downtown philly and see the smog cars created. Not in 2011.

    You are pissing in the wind my friends. There will be a continued environmental movement but it will be based on a capitalist foundation with private – public partnerships shown to be so successful in terms of states and counties cooperating with private investor is on buying land for open space and various efforts to restore watersheds, wetlands, etc. What there won’t be is a gigantic UN or governmental wealth transfer program that manages business by crushing it. You’ve lost decisively. If Al tried he could not have negotiated a dumber treaty than Kyoto. What a crushing waste of 25 years of effort.

  • rdw56

    Polling High-Speed Fail
    February 14, 2011 12:00 P.M.
    By Greg Pollowitz

    Rasmussen Reports:

    Voters aren’t paying much attention to the president’s plan for building a high-speed rail system, but there is a huge partisan gap in perceptions of the plan.

    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that, overall, 41% of Likely Voters favor the plan and 46% are opposed. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

    Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Democrats like the plan. However, 62% of Republicans and 55% of unaffiliated voters are opposed.

    Upper-income Americans are more supportive of the high-speed rail plan than those who earn less than $60,000 annually.

    By a 57% to 28% margin, voters believe that cutting government spending would do more to create jobs than building a high-speed rail network.

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