How Long, Glenn Beck, How Long?

“But I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw a mirror-Olbermann situation soon.”
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Heh-it slays me how there always has to be an equivalency with the Beltway.
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But Joe’s desire for fewer voices is no less consistent. Centrists only, thankyouverymuch.

Prediction: When Obama is re-elected, Beck “does away with himself” and is annointed the martyred saint of a domestic terror cult.

Can’t upset the $$. Like when the $$ got mad at the Olbermann/O’Reilly feud costing them sales and it went away until someone turned up documents showing why it went away. Then a while later the lower rated of the two feuders was gone.
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Beck is a pretty useful and effective distractant for the people most likely to rise up angrily against corporate politics for the corporations, but he also seems like he doesn’t fit in with that crowd himself, so if his ratings do go down/he loses credibility (becomes less effective), then I would expect him to be quietly shunted aside with a nice retirement/keep your mouth shut package.

No, Paul no–Plenty of voices. Just not crazy ones who make up their own facts. (Which is not to say that Keith did that, or that Keith was in any way equivalent to Beck–just that the situation of a highly opinionated host running afoul of management does have some resonance…)

Centrism is the new Scientology, ignorant and unquestioned.

As always Joe, thank you for responding to and engaging with commentary.

“that prominent Republicans have approached Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes about the potential embarrassment that the paranoid-messianic rodeo clown may bring upon their brand.”
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Not to say Beck will ever be confused with Cronkite, Huntley or Brinkley, JK, but have you ever given a single cogent thought to the embarrassment of fools on the left? Above and beyond Olbermann you have Maddow, O’Donnell (take you pick which one), your Compatriot Chris (Tingles) Mathews among many many others.
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The only difference Murdoch and Ailes may recognize the embarrassment, the left encourages theirs.

Thanks for the response, JK.
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I don’t share your view but I appreciate you weighing into comments to clarify.

I love the use of “free range” as adjective for Beck…
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FYI:
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freeinpa is just bizarre…

The hatred for Glenn Beck is almost as strong as that for Sarah Palin. JK here, for example, is drooling heavily and almost foaming at the mouth over just having to mention Beck’s name!
This means that, not only do wacko neocommie journalists continue to make fools of themselves over Beck, the RINO wing of the Republican party will try to distance themselves from him as well. Good riddance. Who needs RINOS or Republicans anyway. What we truly need is people with courage to stand up to the current coup and Obama regime and to pull the sheets off so-called “journalists” and reveal their true agenda.
BTW how can everything that intelligent people predicted about the messiah, BHO aka Barry Sotoero, came true. I wouldn’t call that paranoid, I’d call it prescient and clairvoyant!

Weiner & Maher: Beck’s Audience Have No Teeth

http://conservativeblogscentral.blogspot.com/2011/02/weiner-maher-becks-audience-have-no.html

from bill kristols pen to gods ear…

When comes the Apology?

Do us a favor, Joe. When you get done torturing the lunatic-huckster-toad with the collapsing market share, perhaps you could turn your attention to the fake news product (i.e., propaganda outlet) that is still the “most trusted” news sources for 42% of Americans (about 125 million people) and keeps making the country ever-dumber and more ungovernable. Or does that risk “running afoul of management”?

There were however a number of cases where greater exposure to a news source increased misinformation on a specific issue.
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Those who watched Fox News almost daily were significantly more likely than those who never watched it to believe that:
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• most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely)
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• most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points)
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• the economy is getting worse (26 points)
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• most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points)
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• the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points)
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• their own income taxes have gone up (14 points)
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• the auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points)
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• when TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points)
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• and that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points)
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These effects increased incrementally with increasing levels of exposure and all were statistically significant. The effect was also not simply a function of partisan bias, as people who voted Democratic and watched Fox News were also more likely to have such misinformation than those who did not watch it–though by a lesser margin than those who voted Republican.

How Long, Joe Klein, How Long?

.http://mediamatters.org/blog/201012170010

I thought free-range was healthier

What makes you think Bleck ever runs afoul of management when they enable him to make a fool of himself?

Well, it’s only “potential embarrassment” at this point. Beck still needs to do something that calls into question “the Republican brand.”

I watch Beck regularly as part of my own blog, and I found the link to Kristol’s piece via the Daily Dish. When even Bill Kristol thinks you’ve lost it, that’s a pretty serious warning sign.

To be honest, though, I don’t think we’re going to see an Olbermann situation here at all. First, Olbermann’s issues went far beyond crazy behavior by the host. Second, Olbermann went a lot more overboard than others on his network; Beck only goes *somewhat* more overboard. But most importantly, the people who run MSNBC seem to have some sense of shame, a condition that has never afflicted Roger Ailes.

“The hatred for Glenn Beck is almost as strong as that for Sarah Palin.”

And in both cases, every drop of it is well-earned.

Honesty in broadcasting afflicts us all, even if we don’t do any broadcasting.
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Concise, with a lot less words…

Who, or what, outside of the Mayor of Lynwood WA, could love that guy, eh?

Beck is no better nor any worse than Ed Shultz, yet The Ed Show, which has abysmal facts, and actually does stir up anger with Ed screaming about the “BASTARDS” on the other side and how we need an “ideological war” against them is unquestioned.
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“…for his hilarious commie-muslim caliphate delusions.”
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Not that I support Beck’s notions on this but, you do realize that a caliphate has historically existed in the past, over most of the Middle East, North Africa, into SE Europe and the Southern half of Spain and that there are many Islamist/Jihadist groups that would like to bring it back right?
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You don’t suppose there’s a link between September 11, 2001 and September 11, 1683 do you? Or do you not even know what September 11, 1683 marks? I’m guessing you don’t. Do a little homework on that and get back to me, some “context” might be a good idea on a topic like this. Unless of course you like looking like an uninformed moron.

Joe Klein says:

“Today, (hat tip/Ben Smith), we have Bill Kristol sticking with the demonstrators and calling out free-range lunatic Glenn Beck, for his hilarious commie-muslim caliphate delusions.”

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The “commie-Muslim caliphate”
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What Glenn Beck has said;
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“I want the left to know, I plant my flag in this soil. If I’m wrong, so be it,” Glenn said on radio.
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“And you can discredit me all you want for the end of time, but I’m telling you I’m not wrong on this one. And there are three points that I want to make sure are very clear.”
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What are those three points?
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1) Groups from the hardcore socialist left, and extreme Islam will work together because of the common enemy of Israel.
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2) Groups from the hardcore socialist left and extreme Islam will work together because of the common enemy of capitalism.
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3) Groups from the hardcore socialist left, and extreme Islam will work together to overturn relative stability, because the in the status quo, they are both ostracized from power and the mainstream in most of the world.”

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Let’s breakdown Glenn’s 3 points:
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1. Hardcore leftist – Code Pink and the Socialist Democratic Groups from America have gone to Egypt during this up-rising of the Egyptian people to provide support. Check, this is true. Code Pink has been protesting along side of the demonstrators in Egypt. Code Pink was also part of protests in Palestine, as well as part of the efforts to stop the Israeli blockade just a few months ago. And from their own words
http://codepinkalert.org/article.php?id=5682
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2. Hardcore leftist are against capitalism? Check, yes indeed they are without a doubt, I shall be happy to provide any links to a number of sites and videos to prove this point. Are extremist Islam / Muslim against capitalism? Absolutely true. http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/6159-us-socialists-and-communists-exploiting-events-in-egypt
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3. Are the hardcore leftist and extreme Islamists working together to overturn and take power from more stable and more American / Western sympathizing countries? Absolutely.
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Now the theory that what the Islamists are working for in the end. Yes Joe Klein, a Caliphate. Do you even know what a Caliphate is, and can you say that this has never happened in past history?
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Now would you look at this little gem. An Islamist Caliphate from the past. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate_of_C%C3%B3rdoba
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“The Caliphate of Córdoba (Arabic: خلافة قرطبة Khilāfat Qurṭuba) ruled the Iberian peninsula (Al-Andalus) and part of North Africa, from the city of Córdoba, from 929 to 1031″

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What most Muslims believe:

“”Hadhrat Huzaifa narrated that the Messenger of Allah said: Prophethood will remain among you as long as Allah wills. Then Caliphate (Khilafah) on the lines of Prophethood shall commence, and remain as long as Allah wills. Then corrupt/erosive monarchy would take place, and it will remain as long as Allah wills. After that, despotic kingship would emerge, and it will remain as long as Allah wills. Then, the Caliphate (Khilafah) shall come once again based on the precept of Prophethood.“

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate
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I just finished a graduate level course in the history of the Middle East, in which there was quite a bit of homework, thank you, so I’ll save everyone the trouble: Sept. 11, 1683 was the Battle of Vienna, the highwater mark of the Ottoman Empire’s expansion. The Ottomans lost and their fortunes turned and their empire shrank until the end of WWI, when it evaporated.
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Which has as much to do with the current Egyptian uprising as modern America does with whatever was happening in the British colony in North America in 1683: That is to say, very little.
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If there is some connection in the fevered brain of Osama Bin Laden and the 9/11 attack, I wouldn’t know — or care. It doesn’t matter as it doesn’t apply to current events in Egypt — except in the fevered brain of Glenn Beck and other American traitors who have embraced the goals of al Qaida. To wit: Terrifying Americans, having us turn on each other, throwing away traditional liberties in search of ephemeral security (like the PATRIOT ACT), sullying our reputation abroad by embracing torture and rendition, and bankrupting our country by military over-extension and foolish wars abroad.
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Know anybody like that?

Man, the traditional media can’t get over the need for false equivalencies. MSNBC is not Fox. Olbermann brought facts to the viewers. He admitted when he was in error. Other than Shep Smith at Faux, no one brings facts.
Also, Joe, there have not been direct threats and violence linked to Olbermann. Beck et al, are dangerous.

The traditional media has been quiet about the demigogues at Fox for years. Bill Kristol is one of their chief enablers as is Krauthammer, Hume and others that appear there. Beck is not the only member of Fox that is fear mongering and endangering others.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102040006
President Obama misquoted a familiar Bible verse during a faith-based address at the National Prayer Breakfast.
Oblivious to the fact that there is more than one version of the bible.
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http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102040024
In her latest video dump, James O’Keefe protégé Lila Rose shows a Planned Parenthood employee telling a man who claims to be a sex worker that clinics are required to report statutory rape and that minors are required to have parental consent in order to get an abortion in Virginia.
Remember, this entire charade has been about exposing a systemic effort at Planned Parenthood to cover up underage sex trafficking. Never mind that Planned Parenthood officials had already contacted law enforcement officials and reported potential sex trafficking before Rose released her “exposé.”

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2011/1/30/939874/-30-years-of-right-wing-violence-in-pictures
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The domestic terrorists that lead to right wing rhetoric and support. Linkage ignored by the mainstream media.
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http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/tds-jewish-speaker-house-texas-battles-
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It leads to this.
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Some conservative Republican activists working to unseat House Speaker Joe Straus are circulating e-mails that emphasize his Judaism.

Several e-mails have surfaced in recent days that mention Straus’ rabbi and underscore the Christian faith of his leading critics in the House Republican Caucus.
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The traditional media still uses false equivalencies and characterizations of Limbaugh, Beck and other right wing hate talkers as entertainers.
Just like McCarthy was soooo funny.
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I wonder how long before they take the Murdoch empire seriously and figure out how unAmerican it is.
Sometimes I wonder if they fear for their jobs and wouldn’t work for Murdoch if given the opportunity.

http://wonkette.com/437054/rush-limbaugh-laughs-and-laughs-at-hippie-journalists-detained-in-egypt
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From that funny guy who everyone in DC, including journalists, seem to fear:
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Rush Limbaugh Laughs and Laughs At Hippie Journalists Detained In Egypt
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“Rush Limbaugh” has the funny details: “Two New York Times reporters were detained. Now, this is supposed to make us feel what, exactly? How we supposed to feel? Are we supposed to feel outrage over it? I don’t feel any outrage over it … Do we feel happy? Well — uh — do we feel kind of going like, ‘neh-neh-neh-neh’?”

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Then he finds some of his Axis of Evil buddies at Fox are in harm’s way.
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And then, ten seconds later, after he discovered that Fair & Balanced reporters were also in harms way:

LIMBAUGH: According to Mediaite, Fox News’ Greg Palkot and crew have been severely beaten and are now hospitalized in Cairo. Now we were kidding before about The New York Times, of course. This kind of stuff is terrible. We wouldn’t wish this kind of thing even on reporters.

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Joe, this is what the reactionaries think of all of you in the traditional media.

sasquatch08: My grandmother was born in the Austrian Hungarian Empire. She had seen Franz Josef. When she was older she thought she could return there. We couldn’t make her understand it no longer existed. She was in her 80s.
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Are your worried about that Roman Empire too. How about the Hittites, the Spartans, the Monguls. Worse yet, there are still a lot of Native Americans in this country. What if they rise up?

@Perrywhite:
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“Sept. 11, 1683 was the Battle of Vienna, the highwater mark of the Ottoman Empire’s expansion. The Ottomans lost and their fortunes turned and their empire shrank until the end of WWI, when it evaporated”
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Congratulations , someone knows some history, unlike Mr. Klien, too bad it took you a graduate level course to be taught that fact. In my fathers day that was high school history of Europe. How the times change when it’s not PC to talk about how the Muslims were basically waging a war of conquest as near to modern times as in the 17th Century.
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“If there is some connection in the fevered brain of Osama Bin Laden and the 9/11 attack, I wouldn’t know — or care. It doesn’t matter as it doesn’t apply to current events in Egypt.”
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That my friend is where you are wrong; insane cults like the Muslim Brotherhood bring up historical events that are hundreds or sometimes thousands of years old to justify what they do, or have you never met a really hardcore Evangelical Christian? People driven by this type of insane ideology are dangerous and in the Middle East they are powerful and organized. Case in point: Iran. You do realize that there are Christian sects in this country that believe that WWIII this needed to bring about the Second Coming, right? The difference is they are not an organized political group that has assassinated past leaders of this country. That’s the connection. You really think Iran’s leaders don’t want to control as much of the world in the name of Allah as possible? If so, you’re crazier than they are. There are other “Islamist” factions that want the same and would love to hijack a modern democracy movement just as those in Iran did in the 1970’s.
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“Terrifying Americans, having us turn on each other, throwing away traditional liberties in search of ephemeral security (like the PATRIOT ACT)…
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You mean that same act Obama likes? Get real. George Bush wasn’t a faceless evil villain stroking a Persian cat, both parties have been in bed with dictators and trying to establish more power for the federal government than is granted in the Constitution for decades.
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“…of Glenn Beck and other American traitors who have embraced the goals of al Qaida…”

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You throw the word “traitors” around in a pretty cavalier way. One word: disgraceful.
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@apr:
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Are your worried about that Roman Empire too. How about the Hittites, the Spartans, the Monguls. Worse yet, there are still a lot of Native Americans in this country. What if they rise up?
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Last time I checked not one person had killed another (reportedly that is), blown up a building, flew a plane into a building, suicide or homicide bombed or beheaded anyone in the name of the Roman Empire, Spartans, Mongols or any other cause else you named. When they do, they might rise to the level of needing to be noticed. Until then, you’re argument is a straw man.
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If you can find a couple thousand people organized for one of these causes let me know, along with the number of murders, kidnappings, beheadings they’ve committed as well as the number of IED’s they’ve planted, planes flown into buildings, people killed… you know… the “grim” statistics?
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There are exactly 0 people on the planet who believe there should be a world-wide Roman Empire, there are people killing their own, ours and others for the sake of a world-wide Muslim Empire. If you don’t believe me, read up on it. I suggest the documentary (which admittedly I don’t agree with all of it) Islam: What the West Needs to Know as a starting point. It’s pretty funny, they interview ACTUAL Muslims and ACUTUAL Jihadists rather than some white college professor who claims to have studied them “in detail”. You know people who might actually have “first hand” knowledge of what they’re talking about?

I love to travel over to the uneducated boards once in a while.. While all you toothless gum smackers are smacking your lips togeather about people who are NOT journalist..they never said or claimed they were such.. However you insist in saying they are.. YOUR a riot.. I watch BOTH sides and I have to say I had to QUIT watching MSNBC couldn’t take the WHINING.. and lack of ANYTHING intelligent being said.. they offer NO news..NO facts.. NOTHING.. ALL they do is WHINE about BECK/O’REILY and all the others cause they beat them in the ratings.. Come to think about it that is why I quit listening to AIR AMERICA and now it’s off the air..It’s to bad the truth or someones theory’s scare you so much.. however I don’t know why you take GORES theories as gospel and he’s laughing all the way to the bank.. so will GE who will be selling the carbons credits.. etc.. so it’s funny you knock BIG CORPORATIONS unless your savior OK’S them.. takes money from them (he needs that BILLION for his re-election).. or is trying to take them over.. what jokes you are UNLESS your told WHAT to say, think and do your LOST..

I have to say your wrong on MOST of your points.. I know many people Democrats (the old kind NOT Progressives) who have questioned so many of the things you point out.. however I find the OLDER the person the more functioning brain cells they have.. they don’t just beleive what they hear on MSM.. NOR do they watch FOX or MSNBC.. they however are better at MATH and LIARS.. I don’t KNOW of one of those who work that thinks the $8 that OBAMA gave them was a TAX CUT.. all as it did was in some cases make them PAY more in taxes..lol.. As for the economy improving if you beleive that your dumb enough to believe Bush when he said our economy was strong.. The LEFT LOVES people who DON’T question what they are told.. I can’t say it’s all Obama however the worshipers he has are as dumb as a box of rocks.. just like those that worshiped Bush.. Learn to THINK for yourself..when you do THAN and only THAN will you actually have the life you want.. I know.. I use to be a stanch Democrat.. my life changed when I did..I quit believing what I was told and looked for my own answer..I certainly didn’t expect the party I had supported to be of such low character.. I have come a lot further in the last 7 years after getting AWAY from the blood sucking DEMOCRATS than I did while I supported and listened to them.. my only regret is I didn’t do it sooner..

The utterly deranged Joe Klein asserts (with the standard absence of any evidence) that Beck’s “ratings are dropping, too–which, in the end, is a good part of what this is all about.”

Viewers for Thursday, February 3, 2011

Glenn Beck – 2,359,000 viewers

Wolf Blitzer – 773,000 viewers

Tingles Matthews – 672,000 viewers

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/the-scoreboard-thursday-february-3_b51801#more-51801

Beck has three times as many viewers as Blitzer does, and Beck has four times as many viewers as Tingles Matthews does. Nevertheless, in the fantasy land inhabited by Klein, Beck is in danger of getting sacked because of Beck’s lousy ratings!

Also, anyone stupid enough to believe that Klein has any “conservative sources” (or actually knows even one “conservative”) is stupid enough to believe anything Klein says.

@ textee:

You don’t need to call people stupid. I got p!issed in a previous post where I referred to certain people as “morons” and they got pissed, and stopped making any sense, though most of them didn’t make much to begin with. Either way, insults are what the left does (you racist!), when anyone commits and insult they demagogue you for not having a constructive conversation.
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I don’t know what the real numbers are, ratings are a strange business, that said: Klein has never been objective. He’s a leftist pundit at best and a far left hatchet man at worst. His political commentary has the same value as a stand-up comic.

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when anyone commits [the same crime] and insult [someone on the left] they (the left) demagogue you for not having a constructive conversation.
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“And I’ve heard, from more than a couple of conservative sources, that prominent Republicans have approached Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes about the potential embarrassment…”
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This mean he’s heard from “big government progressive republicans who love spending like it’s heroin and don’t want the needle removed from their arm”, nothing more. That is to say, republicans that are addicted to spending are are unwilling to do anything about the debt except increase it.

When a man says “Don’t believe me, read it for yourself” you think twice about berating him. He’s telling the people to read the past and you can see the future. People didn’t believe in Mein Kampf. Who in modern times would round up people, put them in a barn and set it afire? Crazy, huh. One instance? or many times over. Ovens for baking bread? No, for burning people dead or alive. Muslems say
“Kill the jews” crazy huh? It cant happen in our time. .It happened before and can happen again.
Don’t believe Beck. Read it yourself.

And I’ve heard, from more than a couple of conservative sources, that prominent Republicans have approached Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes about the potential embarrassment that the paranoid-messianic rodeo clown may bring upon their brand.

Heh, I called that one right. Palin gets in line with the conservative establishment and Beck gets culled in order to make the right wing herd look more respectable.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw a mirror-Olbermann situation soon.

Beck != Olbermann. You’ve made an oversimplified (and thus misleading) parallel, Joe.

Murdoch and Ayles don’t have a problem with Beck – he still has a decent-sized audience (for cable) and that’s what matters the most for them. Beck will eventually be cut loose, however, because it’s what the conservative establishment wants and Murdoch will adapt his business accordingly.

“supporting democracy in Egypt even at the possible expense of Israel’s security”

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/02/05/how-long-glenn-beck-how-long/#ixzz1DCHviSHe

and……….. why should this not be the case, does Israel get to call the shots on everything? Enough is enough, we’ve paid enough for Zionism.

“You throw the word “traitors” around in a pretty cavalier way.”
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No, it’s a deadly serious and totally appropriate usage. I’ll show you: 1) ginning up opposition to democratically-elected government based on lies and propaganda, 2) working to divide the nation against itself and otherwise in favor of policies that are against the national interest (i.e., which make the country stronger) and 3) an allegiance that is not to the country or citizens of the United States but to the owners of multi-national financial entities that often work at cross-purposes to the national interest. Get it now? The people you follow are out-an-out traitors and they’re not even trying to hide it because you and your ilk are such reliable authoritarian-following idiots.

Ricardo you are 100% correct. When America wakes up and finds what a treasure they have in Dr. Glen Beck everything will be back in balance.

He is a great teacher and presents to us great leaders, professors, doctors and religious people.
It would be our greatest dream to have this most marvelous man as president and Gov.Sarah Palin as Vice President. That is our dream ticket and it will come to pass in 2012

Please tell me what is foolish about Maddow and O’Donnell. Rachel Maddow seems to me one of the most intelligent of the pundits on TV, and one who at least treats her guests with respect. Does Glenn Beck ever have anyone on his show that he disagrees with? Or does anyone he disagrees with ever escape winding up at the core of some conspiracy? Maybe I’m wrong – I’m just your average liberal person, nothing radical. But when I used to watch Glenn, it amazed me that no matter what my beliefs were, to him I was always wrapped up in some plot to take over the world – or at least to destroy the U.S. for starters. He seemed a fool to me.

Another thing here. TV pundits on MSNBC are not “the left” any more than the same at FOX constitute “the right.” Most people who say they’re liberal or conservative have personal viewpoints that range left and right. Maybe ideologues on the left and right are black and white, but I think most people see shades of grey in most things.

Is it POSSIBLE to write more WORDS in CAPITALS or use any MORE anti-liberal CLICHES than you DO? Maybe if you make the TEXT TWICE as big, you’ll MAKE SOME SENSE.

Joe Klein,
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“And I’ve heard, from more than a couple of conservative sources, that prominent Republicans have approached Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes about the potential embarrassment that the paranoid-messianic rodeo clown may bring upon their brand. The speculation is that Beck is on thin ice. His ratings are dropping, too–which, in the end, is a good part of what this is all about. But I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw a mirror-Olbermann situation soon”
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Joe, you are a piece of work.
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Compared to you, Glenn Beck is a saint. He is more factual than you have ever been.
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You rant against every conservative journalist or opinion personality in the media. One would have to believe you are totally jealous of them all.
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Beck’s place at FOX is very secure. He has a much larger audience than you will ever have. If TIME realized how many people skip past your partisan articles without reading them you would be looking for another job.
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Beck will be a success at FOX long after you fall into retirement at TIME.
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The only difference between you and Beck is that he is partisan to the right and you are partisan to the Left. I have found that most extreme partisans on the Left have minds that are so closed that they cannot see the truth if it hit them in the face. You certainly fall into this category.

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Olbermann was so spot on he isn’t on any more.