Did Obama Sellout Britain To Russia On Sub Nukes? Nope, Says State Department

Conservative blogs and the British press are agog over a report in London’s Daily Telegraph that the U.S. provided certain information about the United Kingdom’s submarine-based nuclear missile stockpile to Russia as part of recent arms negotiations. Matt Drudge nearly blew a siren on the “Secret Deal” report, which includes no quotes from either U.S. or British government sources confirming, denying or adding any context to the claim, which was apparently gleaned from a leaked document provided by Wikileaks.

As is their habit with just about any report about American-British relations, the Telegraph jumps to the conclusion that this revelation “sheds new light on the so-called ‘special relationship,’ which is shown often to be a one-sided affair.” Perhaps the last part is true, but the U.S. State Department maintains that there is little news behind the breathless headlines. State Department Spokesman P.J. Crowley emails TIME:

This is bunk. Under the 1991 START Treaty, the U.S. agreed to notify Russia of specific nuclear cooperation with the United Kingdom, such as the transfer of SLBM’s [submarine launch ballistic missiles] to the UK, or their maintenance or modernization. This is under an existing pattern of cooperation throughout that treaty and is expected to continue under New START. We simply carried forward and updated this notification procedure to the new treaty. There was no secret agreement and no compromise of the UK’s independent nuclear deterrent.

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  • 53_3

    Did the cow jump over the moon?
    .
    Nope…

  • 53_3

    Are almost all Black Americans duped by Democrats with handouts?
    .
    Nope…

  • 53_3

    Is FOX fair and balanced?
    .
    Nope…

  • Paul-no not that one

    Does Drudge rule their world?
    .
    Yes

  • 3xfire3

    Are approx 50% of Black Americans duped by Democrats with handouts?
    .
    Yep

  • 3xfire3

    Is FOX fair and balanced?
    ..
    Yep. More than MSNBC, TIME, NYT and most of the MSM.
    .

  • paulejb

    If this was all business as usual for START than why did the UK object, and why did the Obama crowd ignore that objection to cosy up to the Russkies?

  • http://redstatedebate.wordpress.com redstatedebate

    Ronald Reagan’s Birth Certificate

    “The 40th President of the United States had no trouble producing a birth certificate. In fact it is on display at the Reagan Library”

    http://conservativeblogscentral.blogspot.com/2011/02/ronald-reagans-birth-certificate.html

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Speaking of the Britis, is Tony Blair a tone-deaf piece of cow dung?

    Mubarak is “immensely courageous, and a force for good”

    The verdict, yup.

  • 53_3

    I rest your case…

  • 53_3

    Is Willie Horton running for president?
    .
    Nope.

  • 53_3

    Are Black Americans flocking to the GOP?
    .
    nope…

  • 53_3

    Does Sarah Palin have a chance at POTUS?
    .
    nope…

  • Paul-no not that one

    Have you had a chance to hear or see Blair interviewed?
    .
    His quarter inch deep defensiveness about the UK’s involvement in Iraq is something.
    .
    He’s not a dope, but he sure is wrong about things that cost people their lives.

  • newfreedomblog

    I’ll bet we get to see Obama’s birth certificate when the Presidential library is built in Kenya one of these days.

  • newfreedomblog

    Did American President, Barack Obama sell out another ally?
    .
    Yes.
    .
    Wikileaks has released documents which show this to be the case.
    .
    http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/obama-betrayed-british-allies-wikileaks-reveals
    .

    A series of classified messages sent to Washington by US negotiators show how information on Britain’s nuclear capability was crucial to securing Russia’s support for the “New START” deal, according to the Wikileaks documents.

    .
    Now the un-answered question is why? Why did we sell out one of our allies who have never disclosed any details about their nuclear options? Was this “deal” so important to bolster Obama’s lack of credibility in foreign policy to risk this information in the deal? Whose side is Obama on?
    .
    This nutcase needs impeached immediately.

  • newfreedomblog

    TROLL

  • newfreedomblog

    A TROLL

  • newfreedomblog

    PURE EXAMPLE OF A TROLL

  • newfreedomblog

    YES LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IQ53 IS A TROLL

  • newfreedomblog

    Michael Scherer:
    .
    If the State Department came out and said the sky is pink, would you also believe them?

  • mni08

    Under the 1991 START Treaty, the U.S. agreed to notify Russia of specific nuclear cooperation with the United Kingdom, such as the transfer of SLBM’s [submarine launch ballistic missiles] to the UK, or their maintenance or modernization. This is under an existing pattern of cooperation throughout that treaty and is expected to continue under New START. We simply carried forward and updated this notification procedure to the new treaty. There was no secret agreement and no compromise of the UK’s independent nuclear deterrent.

    The last I check Obama was not the president in 1991.

  • mni08

    . . . And if Drudge said that the earth is flat and only five thousand years old, would you take it as a statement of fact?

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Russkies”?
    .
    Okay you made me laugh.

  • newfreedomblog

    Well mnio8, that is a totally different arrangement with one of our allies than what has been agreed upon now. Giving specific information to the Russians about our own movement of nuclear weapons would have fallen within the 1991 START treaty. This does not.
    .
    Try again please.

  • newfreedomblog

    Whatever!

  • http://talkradiosucks.wordpress.com talkradiosucks.com

    I heard Michael Savage ranting and raving about this like a moron on Friday night. Didn’t even need to look it up to figure it would turn out to be much ado about nothing.

    Quelle surprise…

  • 53_3

    rusty hates me!
    .
    He really, really hates me.
    .
    I’m just all tickled brown…

  • rahonavis2

    New, yes it does

    Under START the US did notify the Russians when it transfered technology to the UK.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/02/us-uk-governments-dispute-report-that-us-sold-uk-out-during-start-negotiations.html

    Crowley emailed ABC News that “Under the 1991 START Treaty, the U.S. agreed to notify Russia of specific nuclear cooperation with the United Kingdom, such as the transfer of SLBM’s to the U.K., or their maintenance or modernization. This is under an existing pattern of cooperation throughout that treaty and is expected to continue under New START. We simply carried forward and updated this notification procedure to the new treaty. There was no secret agreement and no compromise of the U.K.’s independent nuclear deterrent.”

    A knowledgeable source with the British government, speaking anonymously because his government has a policy of not commenting on Wikileaks, says his understanding of the policy conforms with that asserted by the State Department.

    So the state department is correct, your reading of it is wrong. Nothing has changed since Bush I .

  • nflfoghorn

    As an AA myself, nice to know we got a long way to go to combat ignorance, especially as expressed by neocons.

  • nflfoghorn

    A legend in his own mind, natch.

  • nflfoghorn
  • nflfoghorn

    Was the last US president a popular leader?
    .
    Nope.

  • nflfoghorn

    Must be reeeeal snowy outside ;)

  • nflfoghorn

    Here’s some name-calling:
    .
    first you randomly accuse
    using hyperbole and slander
    continually ranting and raving
    kinetically throwing out unproven opinions
    one post at a time
    faithfully moving to an advanced status of apoplexy
    foolishly thinking other people will agree with you.

  • nflfoghorn

    Welcome to the club! :)

  • apr2563

    Russkies? paulejb, how old are you. I am 70 and haven’t heard that word since the 60s.

  • nflfoghorn

    Might I adjust your thought, TRS:
    .
    What do you mean, Savage/Wiener was ranting and raving LIKE a moron??

  • akasajewelry

    nflfoghorn, it’s hideous, isn’t it? What an embarrassment to see this kind of dialog in today’s society.

    Karma. that is all.

  • propman

    After seeing Dr. Strange Love “toe to toe with Russkies” losses any seriousness even for a jingoistic simpleton. Paulejb you ought to check it out.

  • vstillwell

    newfreedomdumbass: Do you ever think for yourself? I already know what your going to say before I read your posts. You must go to rightwingnutjob.org, get your marching orders and come here. Get a new routine.

  • kbanginmotown

    Beck, Palin and Drudge. I trifecta of crazy this afternoon.
    .
    Goodness, I thought the silly season was in August…

  • 53_3

    Thank you, foghorn.
    .
    I wonder:
    .
    Just how many of us are there in this very exclusive club?

  • paulejb

    apr2563@5.2,

    Not up to you in years, apr. Just well read.

  • paulejb

    propman@5.3,

    You are aware that Dr Strangelove was a comedy, albeit a dark one?

    Barck Obama’s efforts to jam through a START agreement at any and all costs certainly has all the aspects of a dark comedy. That sort of makes Russkies an appropriate term for the situation. Wouldn’t you agree?

  • gorefans

    Why did the doctor sign it on August 14th, 1942?

    Why did the state registrar sign it on August 14th, 1942?

    I thought we were celebrating President Reagan’s 100th birthday? not 69th.

    Was President Reagan was born in Ireland?

  • 53_3

    Are you suggesting that Ronald Reagan came from a planet whose orbital period is 1.285 years?
    .
    Who woulda thunk…

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “I really consider President and Mrs. Mubarak to be friends of my family. So I hope to see him often here in Egypt and in the United States.”

    Hillary Clinton, March 2009

  • apr2563

    No kidding paulejb? Dr. Strangelove was a satire?
    I thought it was a serious movie about the “Russkies” stealing our bodily fluids. I think that was propman’s point.
    .
    What has being well read have to do with using the quaint term Russkies? Are you the poster who earlier said you read Alan Drury’s “Advice and Consent”? Do you consider that well read? No wonder you are still using the term Russkie.
    .
    I read Drury’s novels for fun. Never took them seriously, even years ago when they were written.

  • gysgt213

    Cheney has now said Mubarak was a good friend. Didn’t mention wife though.

  • http://publius2000.wordpress.com publius2000

    Yes, but where is the longform? This doesn’t show the doctor’s name or time and place of birth. Also, there is no raised stamp, etc., etc…….

  • ricardo4max

    minio8 and other neocommie trolls: Drudge does not SAY anything. Matt Drudge’s web site merely provides the links to others that are saying something.
    As usual, this fact means nothing to you hate filled anti-American attackers.
    The handful of lefties here reminds me of third or fourth grade. I’ll bet they put their hands over their eyes when they see a post they don’t like and seriously conflicts with their their myopic view of reality.
    Yes Obama is selling out all that get in his and Soros’ way. The rude and hostile treatment of our once proud and loyal allies is disgraceful. But it is NOT a surprise.

  • newfreedomblog

    Spot on Sarah Palin takes the Liberal Agenda to task
    .
    In a speech Reagan himself would have been proud of Sarah Palin shows why she is so polarizing, and why she will be a contender in 2012.
    .

    “Palin said on Friday an explosion of government spending and debt under President Barack Obama and his fellow Democrats had put the United States on “the road to ruin.
    .
    Palin said Obama had revived the era of big government, and she ridiculed the infrastructure spending and investment he outlined in his recent State of the Union speech.

    “The only thing these investments will get us is a bullet train to bankruptcy,” the 2008 vice presidential candidate said in a speech at the Ronald Reagan Ranch Center in Santa Barbara, California, part of two days of festivities marking the late president’s 100th birthday.
    .
    Reagan served two terms as president beginning in 1981, and his belief in limited government, reduced taxes and military strength has been the dominant political doctrine of his Republican Party ever since.

    .
    So as liberals have wet dreams of Johnson’s Great Society or FDR’s welfare to slavery programs of the 1930′s, Sarah Palin and the Tea Party are proving once again that the big spending Democrat programs are and continue to be failures. The difference, the spending has reached epic proportions.
    .
    As Obama has demonstrated now time after time, he does not have a clue as to what will put people back to work. He talks a big game, says all the right words, but nothing is backed up with action.

  • newfreedomblog

    That is great Carnac, since you already know what I am going to say, then simply bypass my comments. Saves you time.
    .

  • gysgt213

    Yes. Let’s put Sarah Palin in charge and stop investing in our own country. That’s sounds like the choo choo train riding around the loopy track to prosperity.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    The one thing that everyone remembers about Reagan was that he was optimistic.

    Sarah and her fans OTOH seem to enjoy whining about how DOOMED we are.

  • freeinpa

    “PURE EXAMPLE OF A TROLL”
    .
    Rusty you are insulting trolls and overestimating his IQ- It is IQ5 which then makes his answers more plausible and punches his ticket as a pure liberal

  • freeinpa

    “first you randomly accuse
    using hyperbole and slander
    continually ranting and raving
    kinetically throwing out unproven opinions
    one post at a time
    faithfully moving to an advanced status of apoplexy
    foolishly thinking other people will agree with you.”
    .
    Didn’t that replace the NYT “All the news that’s fit to print”?

  • freeinpa

    “Is Willie Horton running for president?”
    .
    Let the race baiting begin. IQ5 is the Al Sharpton of Time blogs

  • freeinpa

    “He really, really hates me.
    .
    I’m just all tickled brown.”
    .
    To assume he hates also assumes that in the big scheme of things you matter—you don’t . You are the racist gnat of the blog who is frequently unmedicated.

    .
    Tickled brown–true because you are nothing but crap

  • freeinpa

    “Goodness, I thought the silly season was in August”.
    No its every day for some. The call themselves liberals –medical society calls them mentally disturbed

  • freeinpa

    “The one thing that everyone remembers about Reagan was that he was optimistic.

    Sarah and her fans OTOH seem to enjoy whining about how DOOMED we are.”
    .
    The one thing everyone remembers is how liberals made fun of Reagan and his intelligence. Isn’t it amazing how these idiotic people end up outsmarting liberals time and time again.
    .
    Bu then liberals being smarter is just another lie they tell themselves. Otherwise we would have a run on lengths of rope and rickety stools

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    In 2003, close to seventy percent of Americans believed something that turned out to be utterly false. “Winning” in the context of pleasing the 50 percent of Americans who aren’t actually paying attention to what’s going on in the world is not necessarily a desireable outcome. Perhaps the Tea-partier’s pessimism is justified. They’re just confused as to causes……..

  • http://redstatedebate.wordpress.com redstatedebate
  • http://salmahousectg.wordpress.com mahboobchowdhury

    What is wrong with the word Russkies?Anything wrong with Pommies?

  • newfreedomblog

    “Sarah and her fans OTOH seem to enjoy whining about how DOOMED we are.”

    .
    Please be assured we are not “whining” about anything. We WILL make the necessary changes which need to be done, you can count on that my friend.
    .
    It is a proven fact that Stimulus I and Stimulus II have been huge mistakes. Same goes for Obama’s cash for clunkers and all the rest of his schemes. All this has done is put us in more debt. Debt we cannot afford.
    .
    Obama will not have a 3rd chance at Stimulus III.

  • newfreedomblog

    “choo choo train riding around the loopy track to prosperity.”

    .
    Are you referring to Obambi’s Bullet Trains?
    .
    LOL
    .
    Yea, this is one of the most loopiest ideas yet from our “dear” Leader who wants to make us into another Chinese / European failure.
    .
    Americans are not going to abandon their autos or trucks and jump on the loopy train headed for Obamaville. If you think so, let me point you towards Amtrac, and let you read up on it some. It hasn’t been very successful now for about 40 years.

  • newfreedomblog

    It is ok, freeinpa. People like IQ53 need to believe in boogeymen (psychotic delusions). That is what they know, and how they react. Without their boogeymen (psychotic delusions), who would they be able to fight against?

  • Matt

    Sounds like a made-up controversy worthy of Drudge Report — and it is. The right consistently runs with these “major” stories on the failings of the Obama admin without caring to look up the facts.
    http://www.sunstateactivist.org

  • newfreedomblog

    What is the made up controversy? Post links stupid, and no I am not clicking on your website either.

  • 3xfire3

    vstillnotwell,
    .
    “newfreedomdumbass: Do you ever think for yourself? I already know what your going to say before I read your posts. You must go to rightwingnutjob.org, get your marching orders and come here”.
    .
    Talk about the Pot calling the Kettle black.
    .
    Have you ever made a comment that wasn’t a liberal talking point? Not on this site.
    .
    You must be a friend of IQ53. You apparently have similar IQ and intelligence levels.
    .
    Now climb back in your cave and take a nap.

  • diecash1

    Piss off blogwhore.

  • newfreedomblog

    Better be careful, jcapan. Hillary is now courting the Muslim Brotherhood. You may get thrown out of the liberal fold.
    .

    MUNICH (AP) — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says the Obama administration will withhold judgment on the decision by Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood to engage in dialogue with the embattled government of President Hosni Mubarak.
    .
    In an interview airing Sunday on National Public Radio, Clinton was noncommittal about the fundamentalist group‘s role in talks to try to end Egypt’s political crisis, but she said the decision suggests “at least they are now involved.”
    .
    Clinton says the U.S. has been very clear about what it expects in the transition process to a new government in Egypt.
    .
    The United States, she says, along with the people of Egypt want so see an orderly transition that leads to free and fair elections.

  • newfreedomblog

    While in other news around the world,
    .
    British Prime Minister Calls For “Wake Up”
    .

    “Cameron told the annual Munich Security Conference that European governments have been too tolerant of some sectors of society that publicly oppose democracy or reject equal rights for all.
    .
    He said Britain had found that many convicted terrorists had initially been influenced by so-called “nonviolent extremists” – people who aren’t involved in encouraging plots, but denounce Western politics and culture – before going on to carry out violence.
    .
    “We won’t defeat terrorism simply by the actions we take outside our borders. Europe needs to wake up to what is happening in our own countries,” Cameron told the conference.”

    .
    Mr Cameron, will you clue in our Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton and our former community organizer, Barry Obama?

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Cameron must be trying to draw attention away from the fact that his ignorance of economics and total embrace of ideology is leading his country back into recession.

  • larussophobe

    TIME quotes the Obama State Department: “We simply carried forward and updated this notification procedure to the new treaty.”

    The communication in question is here:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wikileaks-files/london-wikileaks/8305116/GENEVA-AGREED-STATEMENTS-MEETING.html

    Read it for yourself. There is NOTHING in the text about carrying forward or updating and no hint that Britain had consent or would do so. Britain had specifically and repeatedly objected to the release of this information in the past.

    Whatever the case may be, in the best case scenario under the American characterization quoted by Time it was carried forward and updated without notice to or permission of British security officials, and it is bizarre in the extreme for this Time to complain about the lack of quotes from British sources when Time’s report ITSELF contains none. How DARE Time accuse others without carrying through itself?

    Does TIME really ask us to believe that Obama, if caught red-handed in an act of treachery, would admit it? Please.

  • pintortwo

    Green Bay and under. Cheers!

  • gysgt213

    Steelers!

  • paulejb

    apr2563@5.6,

    You are obviously confusing the movie with the notorious fluoride conspiracy.

    As for movies, you and propman must have missed the 1987 movie “Russkies.” It was a take off on the better movie “The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming.”

    Allen Drury’s works were a bit lurid, but there were quite a few “better Red than dead” types back in the day.

    Enjoy talking books and movies with you. We should do it again.

  • paulejb

    mahboobchowdhury,

    At least pommies were not commies.

  • paulejb

    mnio8@9.1,

    “The last I check [sic] Obama was not the president in 1991.”

    The last I checked he wasn’t much of a president in 2011 either.

  • apr2563

    paulejb: Have you actually watched Dr. Strangelove?
    .
    General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about war?
    Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No, I don’t think I do, sir, no.
    General Jack D. Ripper: He said war was too important to be left to the generals. When he said that, 50 years ago, he might have been right. But today, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
    .
    That quote is a direct shot at the John Birch society and other right wing crazies who were propagandizing, among other paranoid ideas, that putting floride in our water was a “Russkie” plot.

  • apr2563

    Great day to go shopping. Stores are empty.

  • 53_3

    Ok, freeinpa, have it your way:
    .
    Cows do jump over the moon…

  • 53_3

    apr:
    .
    paulejb is trying to “relive” the Cold War vicariously through FOX.
    .
    That and a little “recreational anger”…

  • 53_3

    Astonishingly enough, 1942 was fairly close to the first time UFO’s were reported.
    .
    Yes, I know that the first “official” report was n 1947 at Mt Rainier, but we are unlikely to have seen the very first one to have visited our planet.
    .
    D’ya suppose that they, uh, “dropped him off” here because of “transgressions” on his own planet?

  • 53_3

    Oooh! I’m so hurt!
    .
    Do you realize the more you shout, the more I can tell I’ve been hitting my shots MOT?
    .
    Keep ‘em coming.
    .
    Not that they are very inventive, but the amount of venom would make an inland taipan (oxyuranus spp.) blush…

  • paulejb

    apr2563@5.8,

    I have seen Dr Strangelove or: How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb many times. I loved it, but than again I am partial to satire. I am also well aware what was being satirized which is why I brought it up.

    The odd thing is that the danger of water fluoridation is becoming a matter of concern in the medical community. Maybe Gen Ripper was on to something.

    As for the John Birch Society, when they accused Eisenhower of being a communist, Russell Kirk sagely replied that “Ike’s not a communist, he’s a golfer.”

  • nflfoghorn

    Indeed, Akasa. I don’t make much noise about who I am but the willful ignorance as expressed here goes over the top sometimes.

  • apr2563

    paulejb: Like the line about Ike.
    .
    As far as floride goes, there has always been a concern about it being too heavily concentrated if accompanied by water that has natural floride.
    .
    I only have anecdotal evidence. My kids had floride drops before it was added to our municipal water. Combating a family predisposition to bad teeth, they have great teeth.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    A great day to go to work! Argh. Anyway, go cheese.

  • nflfoghorn

    All I’ll say is that Cal’s former governor used a similar technique to answer his critics. ;)

  • nflfoghorn

    Easy, Diecash – I happen to like Chik-fil-a!
    Just not on Sundays…:(

  • nflfoghorn

    Here’s to a tie :)

  • freeinpa

    Does IQ5 have a brain?

    Nope!

  • freeinpa

    “Do you realize the more you shout, the more I can tell I’ve been hitting my shots MOT”

    It doesn’t what is said, you decleare yourself brillinat, and take a victory lap Its part of your never ending psychosis.

    You need to get shots

  • paulejb

    apr2563@5.11,

    It seems particularly apt at this time since Obama too is a golfer. He has already golfed more times in two years than W did in eight.

    The AMA has said; “The American Medical Association is not prepared to state that ‘no harm will be done to any person by water fluoridation.’ ”

    The AMA has never done any research on the side effects of fluoridation.

    Gen Jack D Ripper call your office.

  • freeinpa

    “Does Drudge rule their world?”

    And who rules the left’s world?

    Kos! And now Drudge looks sane & accurate while Kos is in need of a distemper shot

  • freeinpa

    Maybe but this President is neither popular nor a leader.

  • freeinpa

    “Here’s to a tie”
    .
    A the life of a liberal. Nobody loses so no one feels bad

  • diecash1

    Dual screen names NFL? I thought something looked awry when I saw a blogwhore link posted under your NFL screen name the other day. Either way, nothing personal, I’m just not a fan of blogwhoring.

  • nflfoghorn

    The appropriately-named Drudge doesn’t use truth in his “reporting.” The only people who buy into his sludge are right-wing sycophants.

  • nflfoghorn

    I have no affinity for either team. Overall a good if somewhat sloppy game.
    Sorry, RustFreep. Your Steelers can’t win ‘em all.

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