The TSA Labor Saga Comes to a Conclusion

Dastardly Pro-SEIU Thug Socialist Commie Labor Weasel!

Now we give a group of incompetents a litigious path to essential life-time tenure all at tax payer expense

Like I said:
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Dastardly Pro-SEIU Thug Socialist Commie Labor Weasels!

No just more incompetents re-paying other incompetents with tax payer money. And we always come to regret it!

Because boosting morale and giving TSA workers a stake in their future and performance is so detrimental to national security. Everyone knows that the TSA is currently a crack team of well-trained and highly intelligent agents doping a remarkable job! Right? Right? Oh…
http://www.sunstateactivist.org

Off With Their Heads, Too!
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But they really are wannabe SEIU Thugs!
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Damned Commie Income Redistributizalers…

“…TSA is currently a crack team of well-trained and highly intelligent agents doping a remarkable job!”
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Freud likes you.

Should have contracted to Haliburton. No pesky unions, no waste. Right?

“Crack” team or “cracked” team?
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Inquiring minds want to know…

“giving TSA workers a stake in their future and performance is so detrimental to national security.”
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Giving them a stake in their future? By giving them essentially unfettered access to tax payer pockets? Or by creating an infrastructure that has worked so well for the steel, auto and educations systems in this country. Permanent jobs at ever increasing costs without regard to accountability or responsibility.
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Yep I feel safer already

“Should have contracted to Haliburton. No pesky unions, no waste. Right?”
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As usual you take a cheap shot without regard to the topic. The TSA is already up and functioning so there is no need to hire a company.

What has happened is that a strong supporter of Obama has been given a dues increase and unlimited access to tax payer money.

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Although if you feel that strongly about HAL and the SEIU maybe you can recommend to Obambi to fire HAL in Iraq and Afghanistan and replace them with SEIU

Just trying to keep you happy freeper. You know that free market thing.

But where, oh where, is that $9,000,000,000?
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Even SEIU Thugs like me can’t raise that much.
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And Haliburton, kaff, kaff, “lost” it…

freeinpa complaining about “cheap shots”?!?!?!
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A mere nine billion dollars.
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For shame, apr! You shouldn’t be looking at their history as any guide to what they might do in the future, after all:
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That’s cheating!
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And besides, history schmistory, well just change it in a few years after everyone’s forgotten, anyway…

I just find freeper precious in his paronoia and fear.

Once again IQ5 you go off on a psychotic tangent. No where did I make any mention good or bad about $9 billion. But then again it probably should have been given to ACORN because they know how to use it

Or maybe they helped someone pay taxes

“Stephens enters jail today, having pleaded guilty to tax evasion and federal mail fraud. His plea was the byproduct of a 2004 scheme that funneled $52,000 from the Contreras created Voter Improvement Project (VIP), into campaign coffers, for his successful election as President of SEIU Local 660. Local 660 is the primary union for 50,000+ LA County workers.”

Damn! How could I have forgotten about ACORN!
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That $9,000,000,000 certainly would have given a lot of help to the poor.
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I remember the ACORN office downtown:
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The ammo stacked to the ceiling next to the gold bars stolen from Fort Knox and the kindly old lady volunteer fingering that AK47.
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What memories! The death and destruction!
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You woulda almost thunked they was K street…

I do too, apr.
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It’s amusing to see just how big a snowball me and freeinpa can make if we work together…

With SEIU and ACORN we coulda taken over the whole world!
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Sort of, anyway…

freeper, have you ever had a job where you had paid vacations, overtime, paid holidays, no child labor (or is it back to the coal mines, kid?), health insurance benefits, worker safety considered (remember the Triangle Factory fire), a living wage, right to bargain for salaries and benefits, freedom to organize.
Are all those frivolous perks? Would the corporate world allowed the above without union pressure?

Oh darn it now the Government will not have total control! What is an anti-government a right winger to do?

OT but here’s more government intrusion into personal lives. This should make RW heads explode (pun intended once you read the story)…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12363852
…thanks to Catherine Mayer for finding this.

Oh my! If this type of law is exported to other countries, where will men be able to reside? What will occupy the time of adolescent boys? Will husbands have to keep their f*rts under the covers?

“With SEIU and ACORN we coulda taken over the whole world!”
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Hasn’t been for the lack of effort

Gee another Government blessed Union. Next week, Obama consults with the Chinese and gets their advice on how to socialize the rest of the country.

What if it is a ” silent but deadly “, will there be an investigation? Who determines the guilty culprit? Will detectors need to be invented. What does the job pay? Should it be contracted out to private f@rt companies to minimize cost? Only the air will tell.

See Newfree if you spent say 1 minute on google you would see that the unions in China are really powerless pawns with their leaders put in place by the companies.

From the Christian Science Monitor (That noted left wing rag)
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2008/0929/p01s02-woap.html

“The way in which the ACFTU {All-China Federation of Trade Unions } normally sets up unions in enterprises, from the top down, gives management an influential say in who should sit on the union committee. Only the manager and his deputy are banned by law from committee membership, but union chairmen are very often middle managers beholden to their bosses.

Such unions “are no threat to any company,” says Jonathan Unger, head of the Contemporary China Centre at the Australian National University in Canberra.
Traditionally, the role of unions in all companies, locally or foreign owned, has been limited to welfare, organizing employee outings, and explaining government policies to members.

and more examples of this from another red rag, the Bloomberg businessweek
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-30/honda-workers-bypass-toothless-china-unions-fueling-strikes.html

Historically, China’s labor unions have been rather toothless,” said Li Qiang, founder of China Labor Watch, a New York-based labor advocacy group. “When Honda factory workers went on strike they had no intention of using the union to negotiate. Workers had no idea about the concept.”

and here is an oldie but a goody, on why Walmart has allowed Unions in its Chinese stores while fighting desperately to prevent american workers to organize. From another leftie mag, the Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23725-2004Nov30.html

“We can, I think, dismiss suspicions of anti-anyone-but-Chinese racism as such. The answer, then, must lie in Wal-Mart’s preference for old-line communist-dominated unions in authoritarian communist states over any other kinds of unions anywhere else. America’s unions, which Wal-Mart despises, have a long history of anticommunism, and today’s AFL-CIO is the staunchest defender on the American political scene of democratic rights in communist nations such as China. For that matter, unions affiliated with reformed or post-communist parties outside of the few remaining communist states have gotten nowhere with Wal-Mart either. Only in China, with its inimitable blend of Dickensian capitalism and authoritarian communism, has Wal-Mart found a union to its liking.

And small wonder. Unions affiliated with the All-China Federation seldom push for wage increases or safer machinery. Indeed, the locals are often headed by someone from company management. Not that there isn’t worker discontent in China: Every week brings accounts of spontaneous strikes, and now and then an occasional riot over such lifestyle impediments as unpaid wages. But the role of the state-sanctioned unions isn’t to channel the discontent into achievable gains; it’s to contain it to the employer’s benefit.

The leaders of genuine workers’ movements in China don’t end up running the All-China Federation. They’re to be found in prison, in exile or in hiding.
The All China Federation of Trade Unions, which represents China’s 169 registered labor unions, is closely affiliated to the government, hindering its efforts to win concessions and higher wages, Li said. ”

I love how they point out (if anyone forgot) how unions are one of the few groups actually fighting for democracy in these communist countries, while industry loves the authoritarian nature of China. So really if you were for peoples freedoms and rights you should side with unions of the company here Rusty.. I mean newfreedomblog.

So since the right wants to crush the workers right to organize, limit any bargaining power they have and give corporations all the benefits they want, you should encourage Obama to listen to China. Face it guys (New, Freein etc), China is basically the right wing utopia (except for the religion thing, but give it time, Christianity is getting more accepted in China, while Muslims are getting more and more oppressed, just like you like it) with a strong military, the lacks health and safety standards, the wild west capitalism, lack of environmental regulations (they love coal there).

“Hasn’t been for the lack of effort”
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The level of conspiracy driven paranoia you display… Are you sure you’re actually Rusty and not Glen Beck?

rahonavis2:
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I have no difficulty or problem with workers in private industry who want to unionize. I am not for it, but do not believe we should abolish unions for the private sector.
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I do have a problem however with public unions. The most dangerous, and biggest being the School Unions. People ask “why are our schools failing so badly?” Answer: NEA and the other school teacher unions.
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I know many teachers, and they are against the Teacher’s Union.
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Off note: You should really use something to separate your comment paragraphs, the way you format now makes your comments almost impossible to read.

“The level of conspiracy driven paranoia you display.”
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I believe that was the defense perfected by HRC. Everytime the left gets caught with less than above the board groups doing their dirty work its a conspiracy.
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Just remember its the left who sees a racist, homophobe, who wants to kill old people to rid thier social security. If you want to look at real conspiracy driven paranoia look in the mirror

apr2563

“Are all those frivolous perks? Would the corporate world allowed the above without union pressure?”
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Have you bought a calendar since 1940? It is 2011 and the unions now are nothing but a detriment to job growth and increased productivity. Wonder where our manufacturing jobs went. Unions priced them off shore. Wonder where our educational advantages went, unions more concerned with its members than their members job function. Now we have UAW workers collecting full salaries along with pension and health benefits and haven’t worked in years. Or teachers short of murder can’t be fired while costing school district million to litigate.
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Unions have far outlived their usefulness of defending workers. They now do nothing but defend union power. If there was a need for them like in the 1940s union membership would not be at the levels it is today.

First thanks for the reply without vitriol. Oh and the paragraph thing, the spacing was there on my preview screen, but apparently not in the actual post (I have no idea why).

Your comment on teachers is actually kind of funny, given that my mother is a teacher, I grew up knowing dozens of teachers, have walked the picket line with teachers and have some friends my age who are teachers now. All of them, to a person, respect and agree to the need for a teachers union. Perhaps your friends do not like things like limited class size, proper funding levels or someone who will defend them when a parent attempts to get them fired for teaching something they don’t believe in (say evolution). I don’t know your friends, but I bet if you got right down to it and they had a choice to drop the union or keep it most of them would vote to keep it.

Are all unions as effective or open as they should be , heck no, but as my mother (with over 35 years as a teacher, administrator, member of the union negotiation committee and now a professor who actually teachers curriculum to new teachers and helps train them on home to best work in a classroom setting) will testify too, without the union taking a hard line any perks they enjoy now or even the basic standard of living would not be there.

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Unions are easy to vilify because in good times they just seem to take a bit of your paycheck and do nothing (of course behind the scenes they are lobbying on your behalf and doing other things that don’t get noticed) and in bad they never secure all the things you want (because the always make some concessions to get you back on the job, even if these concessions are minor). But the reality is without them the standard of living for a modern worker (say teacher) would not be anywhere close to what it is. Even non-unionized jobs have benefited for the laws concerning workplace health and safety, hours, minimum pay etc that where brought about through the fight of unionized ( or in earlier time simply organized) labour.

As I said previously about your friends, I don’t know them or their situation (maybe their particular union rep is a criminal in which case he/she should be arrested and prosecuted). But it reminds me of how many women my age (late 20′s-early 30′s) talk about feminism. I listen to them mock the idea of a women’s rights movement and the extreme feminists today (which I will admit the extreme version, like any extreme ideology, is nuts and a detriment to the viewpoint as a whole). They don’t comprehend that without the womans suffrages movement in the early part of the last century, or the new feminists of the 1950-70′s things like voting right, equal pay (which still does not exist but the gap is closing), sexual harassment prevention and hundreds of other things that they take for granted would not exist. They never had to go through the struggle so they don’t see the role of womans rights movement in society. Unions are similar, its easy to sit back and take pot shots because you already enjoy so much of the hard earned advances of previous generations.

Look I won’t convince you or anyone else to become pro-union with this response, but I believe if you honestly think about how society is today and compare it to previous times (without the rose coloured glasses) you will see how unions have shaped society and we are all better for it.

Oh and hopefully the paragraphs will be separate this time.

Hell, freeinpa, I’m old.
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And I’m just not feeling any paranoia about HCR at all. Matter of fact, the Donut Hole will get smaller this year, and, I don’t have to worry about HCICs deciding what life saving procedures to cover.
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Apr:
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It is kind of exhilarating to watch the toxic glow of freeinpa’s paranoia from the other side of the thick, leaded glass window of Swampland…

D@mn it, how many spaces do you need to put to get a separate paragraph in this thing?

And freeper we can trust those benificent, corporate oligarchs to not take advantage of American labor as they have of the child and slave labor in other countries.
Does history mean nothing to you?

Does anyone that posts here actually know anything about the power of federal unions? Paying dues is strictly voluntary but the union must provide at least superficial representation to every single person in the bargaining unit. By LAW, cannot negotiate over pay and benefits or how work is assigned. SIMPLY THREATENING OR ADVOCATING A JOB ACTION LIKE A STRIKE OR SICKOUT IS A FIRING OFFENSE THAT CAN BE PROSECUTED. The old line unions of the 50s and 60s and today’s Teamsters would fall over laughing about the trivia found in most federal union contracts. What the unions do most prominently is to provide individual employees backup with a little staying power on grievances about performance ratings, reassignments, retention during layoffs, favoritism in filling jobs with persons who don’t meet OBJECTIVE qualification requirements, and decisions where there is substantial gray area about policy interpretation. Unions usually only win in disputes referred to the Federal Labor Relations Authority (FLRA) when the agency is clearly shown to be violating THEIR OWN PROMULGATED POLICY AND PROCEDURE. Resolution at the local level in favor of the union almost always comes when it is OBVIOUS TO MANAGEMENT THAT THE FLRA WILL FIND THEY HAVE CLEARLY VIOLATED APPLICABLE POLICY & PROCEDURE.