Neo-con or Paleo-con: What Will Palin Say on Egypt?

Tonight at 11 pm eastern time Sarah Palin will give the keynote address at Young America’s Foundation’s celebration of the centenary of Reagan’s birth. Surely she will address events in Egypt. So where on the fragmented Republican foreign policy spectrum will Palin position herself?

Neo-cons like Elliott Abrams have come out for Mubarak’s ouster, despite a traditional inclination to put Israel’s security first in the region. John Bolton, who used to describe himself to me in his days at the State Department under Colin Powell as a “paleo-con”, has said the alternative to Mubarak may be worse and that the U.S. should stay silent on developments.

Palin is unlikely to do that. But two central themes of her public career are at odds here: the bear-hug embrace of freedom (very neo-con) vs. the locked-and-loaded shouldering of security (very paleo-con). Palin has met this dichotomy before and embraced security, on Ft. Hood, WikiLeaks, domestic eavesdropping, refudiation of the so-called ground zero mosque and other traditional civil liberties vs. security issues.

But Egypt is new ground because it’s a foreign policy issue as much as it is a national security one. My bet is she comes down mostly on the paleo-con side, with a healthy side serving of Obama-bashing around the administration’s creeping inclusion of the Muslim Brotherhood in talks to form a post-Mubarak government.

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  • afguy

    Oh, yes, I’m going to be absolutely spell-bound, hanging on her every word of wisdom in this matter.
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    On the other hand, given that my back is killing me, I may just find some appropriate snack food and lie down on the couch, passing gas whenever a pause in her delivery allows me to express my heartfelt opinion of her take on foreign relations.
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    Alternately, NCIS is doing re-runs, so that sounds like a more productive way to pass the evening.

  • charlieromeobravo

    Question: Who cares? She has about as much credibility on foreign policy generally and relations with Egypt specifically as I do in astrophysics.

  • Matt

    What will Palin say? I’m not sure. But it ought to be a good bet that whatever comes from her mouth tonight on the issue of Egypt will be utterly devoid of facts and comically off on basic history.

    Sarah Palin giving measured opinion on serious foreign policy questions is like Bill O’Reilly teaching an anger management class. Just doesn’t work…
    http://www.sunstateactivist.org

  • charlieromeobravo

    Oh, and…
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    “My bet is she comes down mostly on the paleo-con side, with a healthy side serving of Obama-bashing…”
    .
    There’s a truly prescient guess :-/ The woman criticized Michelle Obama for suggesting that kids should eat more vegetables and less junk food. Of course she’s going to go after Obama if only because if she didn’t her fans would riot. After all, Obama can’t do anything right, can he?

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/republicans-vote-to-repeal-obamabacked-bill-that-w,19025/

  • 53_3

    Can she see Egypt from her house?
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    Is Iran going to join North Korea as a US ally?
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    Will this years’ Thanksgiving Day Wishes feature Egyptions getting “the cone” in the background?
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    Is she going to have a Lock and Load Crosshairs map of Egypt?
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    All of these questions and more are dying to be answered.
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    BTW, since Sarah Palin(c) is copywrited, do I have to give her a quarter every time I say her name?

  • Ike Jakson
  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Here’s a clue. John Bolton calling himself a paleocon is like Pat Buchannan calling himself Hispanic.

  • afguy

    Did she go after the “Bible Spice” and “Caribou Barbie” monikers, too?
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    The entire civilized world is waiting on the answer to that question.

  • americanwithabrain

    I’m just glad all of you are ahead of the curve and bashing her before she utters a word about it.

    Of course, you’d bash her if she quoted every one of your posts here.

    I’m no Sarah Palin fan, but I’m thoroughly amused at the way the woman has all of you under control like puppets on a string. She used to have to do something to get you all to throw a tantrum, but now you all go into a frenzy before she even does anything. It’s comical.

  • afguy

    You’re missing the point…
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    She has the credibility of a half-baked potato whenever she opens her mouth on pretty well ANY subject.
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    The oft-uttered question is simply: WHY is anyone treating her opinion as newsworthy? Just because, as you state, she drives the liberals into a frenzy?
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    That’s one h*ck of a reason to have a person at the top of a political movement.
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    “Elect Sarah Palin© – she pisses liberals off”.
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    Seriously, you think that’s a good enough reason to be on the national stage?

  • afguy

    At this rate, the kitten population may not recover for a full generation. This is getting serious…

  • 53_3

    Let me ask you this, awab:
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    If you are no Sarah Palin fan (25 cents will be deposited in an escrow accout, btw), then how is it you are babbling the same inane theory the worshipers of Her Pertness do?
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    Also, do you know the difference between a feeding frenzy and a firestorm of laughter?
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    It might be a good idea to get a grip on it if you plan to take a dive in warm ocean waters.
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    In order to save your life in such an event, I’ll even throw in a hint, but don’t tell anyone else. Pinkie swear!
    .
    Ok:
    .
    Here it is. This is the important bit:
    .
    Sharks don’t laugh….

  • Ivy_B

    Since this is already posted and another kitteh has gone, I thought I’d mention that former Swampie trifecta tweeted that he read a name that he found amusing — Snowflake Snooki

  • 53_3

    I want to see her on Wipeout!

  • trifecta55

    I have been gone too long. I miss deep thoughts of Snowflake Snooki on the Egypt crisis being brought up for debate.
    .
    This is real heavy stuff here. Next, can we get a thread going on about what Justin Bieber thinks of the IMF’s role in creating systemic debt in developing nations through it’s embrace of austerity budgets?

  • 53_3

    Don’t know, but I’ve got an escrow account open. Every time I say “her name”, I immediately jump up, run four blocks to the bank, and deposit a quarter.
    .
    I might still swear a lot, but I certainly am learning not to say her name…

  • certifiablylazy

    @7 – I think this pretty much sums up your contribution to most, if not all, discussions within these threads. Considered this the condensed version.
    .

  • kbanginmotown

    I’d be careful, afguy. The convoluted, run-on, word-salad sentences she dishes up have no beginning, middle or end. You’ll be floating off the couch before she takes a noticeable breath.
    .
    *sigh* And then there’s the kittens….

  • afguy

    I swear… each evening, my curiosity overcomes my better judgment and I stop on that swill. My IQ’s down several points.
    .
    Deep philosophical question: which costs more brain cells? Watching Jersey SHores or trying to follow the thought train of one of Barbie’s speeches?

  • afguy

    Speaking of two more whose opinions should have no real value…

  • americanwithabrain

    Funny, I said I’m no Sarah Palin fan, which is true, but like a lot of truths, it doesn’t fit with your beliefs so you attack me for a totally invalid reason. Liberals do that a lot I’ve noticed. Quitting in the middle of a term in office is inexcusible, if she had done nothing else to bother me, that would have lost me. As a conservative independant, the thought of Sarah Palin being the alternative to Barry-O or Barney Frank or whatever the next liberal nightmare the Democrats may throw at the country is very disturbing. I don’t think she should be on the national stage, but thanks to you, afguy and 53…3, she is. If all her fans went away, you two and all your lib coharts would still be having seizures every time her name was uttered. Sure, you get a little help from the whakos on the far right too, but look in the mirror, buds, and congratulate yourselves for putting here where she is.

  • americanwithabrain

    Nice certifiablylazy. Bet you spent all week looking for that clip. I’m flattered that you used it on me. Maybe you can make the next lame Geico commercial. You are unemployed, aren’t you? Write Barry-O if they hire you so he can add you to his jobs creation list.

  • afguy

    Nah, we wouldn’t miss a beat, actually.
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    As long as the GOP has people like Ensign, Santorum, Cantor, Boner, Angle, McDonough, et al, out there, there will be quite enough viable targets of opportunity from which to choose.
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    There’s comedy material aplenty on the loose there.

  • americanwithabrain

    53….3!!! That’s pretty violent talk! Are you threatening me? Have you been listening to conservative talk radio? Sharks don’t laugh??? You might as well say you’ve got crosshairs one me or you’re taking aim on my posts. You haven’t purchased any weapons lately (this includes shark teeth) have you?

  • 53_3

    I have several elderly pit bulls.
    .
    Your demise will not only be slow, as they have no teeth, it will be a slobbery, wet passing at that…

  • jsfox

    Paleo-con Neo-con who cares it is all a Palin con.

  • 53_3

    awab:
    .
    What about all those GOPers and Tea Partyers that posilutely love her pertness?
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    And don’t foist that off on me, you weasel, it was McCain that went downstairs to the laboratory (lavatory?) with Frankensteins’ heart.
    .
    Seriously though, awab, and jesting about mustalid affinities aside:
    .
    I still want to see her on Wipeout!

  • nflfoghorn

    Lord help us if she shows up on “Skins.”

  • 53_3

    And yes, that’s a threat.
    .
    Sort of…

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    I actually went into the weeds on this one a while back. http://elvisberg.wordpress.com/2007/09/10/john-bolton-neoconservative-part-ii/ Bolton never did pretend to care whether the countries we bombed & invaded were nominally democratic, as opposed to some other nominal neoconservatives, but I came around to thinking that you’re right, that he is properly considered a neoconservative.

  • 53_3

    That’ll be 25 cents…

  • americanwithabrain

    afguy: and It will be interesting to see if the next conservative-to-be-held-in-contempt of the day will yank your puppet strings like Palin.

    53…3: McCain? are you ASSUMING that I’m a McCain fan. Jeeze, I like him less than Palin. And please make sure you read my previous posts before you say “AH HA!!!! WE KNEW YOU WERE A PALINITE!!!” You must have missed the part where I said I’m an INDEPENDANT conservative. Republicans rank 0.05 in my top 100. Democrats and Liberals I rank 0.00001.

  • troubador222

    I thought February was supposed to be the non Palin month.

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    My houseplant has also, too, not yet issued a concern about events of, you know, unrestiveness and discontment in Egyptia. But, dang, I sure do bet that if President Obama had more experiments in international affairs, especially at this time when our brave soldiers are over there, in that area, fightin’ to establish democracy, there sure would be a lot more directness in our responsiveness to these crisises we’re seein’ over there. Shoot, our founding fathers looked to Egypt and the pyramids, and that great library that Alexander built, those were places where freedom, where Moses led the people in a rebellion against too much taxes, then to the free enterprise zone of the Holy Land. So our Lord calls upon Mubarack– which ironically sounds a lot like Barack, doesn’t it, Sean? –to get out of the way of free speech and low taxes and the other things the Egyptites are fightin’ for. You betcha.
    If and when my houseplant issues a statement, I shall alert the media.

  • americanwithabrain

    53…3: You are allright. I’ve never had a more amusing threat. We’ll have to sit down and I’ll buy you a beer, and I’ll bring your pooches some milkbones. But I’ll soften them up by soaking them in some warm milk to make it easier on their gums.

  • 53_3

    You jist wait, awab. Your fate is near for exposing me!
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    Even now those elderly pit bulls are chomping at the bit.
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    Well, not exactly chomping per se, but that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
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    Actually, I’m really quite confused:
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    I’m not a GOPer in the current sense of the word, but apparently my Palinite* half has threatened to shoot my middle of the road half.
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    *the -ite suffix indicates that the item in question is “of rock”. Figures….

  • afguy

    Forget your houseplant!!!
    .
    I’m interested in what that head of lettuce in the crisper has to say about all of this…
    .
    The “green, leafy vegetable” contingent has an opinion on things, too!
    .
    When you have something to release, I’ll tune in to Rachel Ray for the interview.
    .
    She seems to talk to her cuisine a lot anyway….

  • afguy

    Gumming at the bit?

  • 53_3

    We aren’t as bad as you think awab. We’re Americans just like you, but honestly, Her Pertness does supply us with a lot of laughs.
    .
    I’m trying to resist posting her Thanksgiving Day video. More than once my right arm has strayed to the youtube link for a quick c&p.
    .
    Note that it was my left hand that restrained it…

  • 53_3

    Let me just say this, afguy:
    .
    I’ve starved ‘em for a week. By the time they finish with awab, he’ll be a boneless black and blue slobbery mess…

  • 53_3

    I agree. Sarah Palin Month and Black History Month are two mutually exclusive concepts…

  • apr2563

    SP speaking to YAF. Reactionary talking to reactionaries. Gosh, I wonder what she will say?

  • jdittes

    The fact that she ISN’T talking is a pretty clear indication that Obama is handling the situation expertly, given the constraints.

  • apr2563

    SP-Duh!

  • americanwithabrain

    You’re using Sarah Palin as a barometer of Barry-O’s expertise?

    See children… proof that drugs are bad!

  • apr2563

    “You Watchers in the First Four Rows Guaranteed to Get Wet”
    .
    Agreed Ivy.

  • allthingsinaname

    She is an idiot who speaks for one hell of a lot of other idiots, If you can not recognize that you are also an idiot, People like her, Beck, and Rush are, in my mind, dangerous.

  • afguy

    She’s having to be rather careful… given that she had her head handed to her regarding her address after the Tucson shooting.
    .
    The optics and reviews were awful!!
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    Events in Egypt are rapidly outrunning her ability to make any meaningful or constructive commentary.

  • Ivy_B

    Not to worry, 53. Just read the ™ application was rejected because she didn’t sign it.

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  • 53_3

    Thanks Ivy.
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    I ran up $1.50. Now I have enough to buy a bottle of cheap wine.

  • http://milascurtains.wordpress.com milascurtains

    does it really matter, what this Moron will say?
    Does it?
    really?

  • gwbc

    no , it doesn’t matter and only about 27% of the people care what she says and if Massimo doesn’t have anything better to do than post this on his blog, it is a very sad commentary about him

  • shepherdwong

    Really? 52 comments on what Sarah Plain will say about “x”? I swear, she’s like sh!t to flies.

  • paulejb

    Well, it’s come to this.

    As liberals wait with baited breath for word from Sarah they withhold judgement on what course to take with Egypt. It as if a liberal cannot function without hearing the Palin viewpoint. Has Sarah put a spell on them?

  • paulejb

    americanwithabrain@7.5,

    How can a conservative not be a fan of Sarah Palin? The very mention of her name starts liberals running about as though there hair were afire. Just look at some of the comments here. Some of these people act like Sarah ran over their dog.

    PDS [Palin Derangement Syndrome] is alive and well here at Time magazine. It is very much like Bush Derangement Syndrome on steroids.

  • paulejb

    americanwithabrain@10,

    It is the new liberal civility, AWAB. They still want to cut your throat, but they’ll do it with a smile post Tucson.

  • paulejb

    afguy@7.1.

    Well it may not be the best reason but it’s right up there in the top ten. If liberals really, really disagree with everything that you say than you know that you are on the right track.

    Besides how is it possible not to enjoy watching smoke come out of the ears of the elitist chattering class every time Sarah speaks. That alone is worth the price of admission.

  • paulejb

    Ivy_B@8,

    “Snowflake Snookie”

    It may be mean spirited but it is damn funny. It is sort of like calling Barack Obama, “Captain Kickass.”

    Remember this…

  • afguy

    Like I said, paulie,
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    One h*ll of a qualification for the national spotlight.
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    I guess laws that are proposed for the same reason are next on the agenda?

  • afguy

    Just saw the best name of the lot – “Nanookie of the North”.

  • jpl9

    If she arrives with Glenn Beck’s chalk board, we will have our answer.

  • afguy

    Ivy_B,
    .
    So she quit again… somewhere before the signature line on the application.

  • paulejb

    afguy@7.15.

    Ronald Reagan had the same capacity to cause liberals to act irrationally and he didn’t do too badly in the national spotlight. Sarah Palin raises the same ire in leftist ideologues that Ronnie did. She just needs to learn to shrug it off as he did.

    The lefts hatred of Sarah Palin is truly pathological. It can only be engendered by fear. Something about Sarah gets to the left right down to their genetic markers.

  • troubador222

    Damnit, I have prayed hard February would be Palin free. What does one have to do? I mean if she billed herself as a comedienne I could understand, but she want’s to be taken seriously.

    OK I will jump into the predictions. She will say something monster-ably stupid. (This is not hard)

  • paulejb

    troubador222,

    Like “I would not refer to him as a dictator.” Joe Biden on Mubarak 1/27/11. Is that “monster-ably stupid” enough for you?

    Or how about Barack Obama’s backing of the Muslim Brotherhood for participation in a post Mubarak Egyptian government.

    Doubt that Sarah could exhibit such stupidity on her worst day.

  • bojimbo26

    Does she know where Egypt is ?

  • afguy

    Ok, paulie, let me see if I get this right…
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    Reagan was great in large part because he pissed off liberals.
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    Palin is great because she pisses off liberals. As is Rand Paul. And Bachmann.
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    You and your fellow TP cohorts here regularly brag about making comments just to get a rise out of the liberals.
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    We understand that the TP is AGAINST big government (unless it pays for their/their staff’s health care after being elected, then it becomes a matter of personal choice for them).
    .
    Their whole outlook on government seems to be this: if someone is elected to Congress and decides to drop their drawers and run naked right in the middle of Pennsylvania Avenue, it is because, by definition, nothing good comes out of the government and THAT made them do what they did. That the subject behaved badly because they made a conscious decision to do so never seems to enter into the equation. Idiotic and corrupt lawmaking doesn’t just happen.
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    Once again, I ask in all seriousness, what’s next? Silly legislative proposals that make no sense except to piss off the other side?? Like the SD law to require EVERYONE to purchase a handgun, just to make some sort of misplaced point about mandates?
    .
    I’m waiting for the extreme RW to reveal how they plan to contribute to the legislative process.
    .
    “Elect the Tea Party – We REALLY know how to piss of liberals and it’s fun to do” doesn’t seem to be much of a platform to run on, but it seems to be all you have. If there’s something else, it’s apparently being kept very close to the vest.
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    Disclaimer: my daughter is a TPer in Pensacola – she and her husband paid for their three children’s births out-of-pocket – they are at least being philosophically consistent.)

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