After Months of Wrangling, Senate Approves Measure Everyone Wanted All Along

By a vote of 81-17, the Senate passed an amendment to the Federal Aviation Administration reauthorization bill Wednesday that, assuming the legislation goes through, would repeal a small but onerous tax reporting requirement from the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010 (AKA ObamaCare). Back in September, Kate explained:

The new Affordable Care Act (ACA) includes a provision requiring that all businesses send a 1099 tax form to any vendor from whom they purchase at least $600 in goods and services in a year. A copy of this 1099 also goes to the IRS. The provision has nothing to do with health care, except that the $17 billion in revenue generated by this new paper trail will help pay for costs associated with the new law. The idea is basically to remind vendors that hey, the government knows you sold $600 or more in goods and services, so you better pay the applicable income tax.

Basically, it wasn’t well thought out and shortly after passage, both Democrats and Republicans agreed they wanted it gone. Forget today’s 81-17 vote for a moment. Max Baucus, who wrote the freaking thing to begin with, introduced language that would have nixed it last year. Repealing it was even a bullet point in President Obama’s State of the Union corporate pep talk on how to Win the Future.

The reason it wasn’t passed until now, was that Democrats and Republicans just couldn’t agree on how to cover the estimated $19 billion in revenue generated by the requirement that would be lost upon repeal. Much bickering ensued about whether to pay for it and how to pay for it — Baucus argued the PPACA already reduced the deficit enough; some Democrats just wanted to get the revenue from somewhere else; and Republicans wanted to take it out of spending. In the end, they agreed to pay for it with already appropriated but not-yet-spent funds. But not before spelling out which sacred cows (Defense, Social Security, etc.) would be exempt from getting shorted in the deal.

So after months of bickering, shuffling around different iterations of repeal and generally living up to the reputation of the world’s most deliberative body, the Senate finally got it done. But don’t worry. The esteemed chamber has neither abandoned party line votes, nor sworn off poor time management. After nearly a year of theatrics, Majority Leader Harry Reid finally allowed Republicans to get a vote on their amendment to repeal all of ObamaCare. As everybody expected, not a single Democrat voted for the measure and it went down 47-51. Your government at work!

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  • paulejb

    But we now have 51 Democrats on record supporting Obamacare which was just declared unconstitutional. 23 of them will be up for re-election in 2012. I am sure the ads are being filmed right now for the campaign.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “Max Baucus, who wrote the freaking thing to begin with, introduced language that would have nixed it last year. Repealing it was even a bullet point in President Obama’s State of the Union corporate pep talk on how to Win the Future.”

    I’m beginning to like you, Adam. “Corporate pep talk” = pricless

  • freeinpa

    Democrats were brought kicking and screaming all the way.

    Although both proposed amendments would have repealed the new rules, the bipartisan agreement was limited to that single issue. Democrats and Republicans have not decided how to offset the loss of approximately $20 billion over ten years that will result from repeal of the Form 1099 reporting requirements. Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus’s (D-Mont) amendment (S. Admt. 4713) did not include any budgetary offset, an omission which appears to have sunk the amendment. The Baucus amendment failed in a 44-53 vote.

    The competing amendment (S. Admt. 4702) was offered by Senator Mike Johanns (R-Neb) and would likewise repeal the Form 1099 requirements. In addition, it would have offset the cost of repeal by permanently rescinding $39 billion in discretionary non-defense spending. The Johanns amendment garnered more support, but ultimately failed in a 61-35 vote (the amendment required 67 votes to pass).
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    House

    Just before the House left town for August, Dave Camp, the ranking Republican on the Ways and Means Committee, offered an amendment that would have rescinded these mandates; as a “motion to recommit,” it was guaranteed an up-or-down vote.

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi and wingman Sander Levin were terrified that rank-and-file Democrats would defect, so they pulled their entire bill and reintroduced it a few hours later, with the basic Camp language included. In other words, not only was the House leadership unwilling to defend the 1099 provision but it took the lead in rolling it back, if only to prevent an embarrassing floor spectacle.

    One catch: The bill was put on the House suspension calendar, meaning it needed a two-thirds majority to become law. In the end, the combined bill shook out 241 to 154, with 239 Democrats voting yea. Most Republicans who favor repealing the 1099 mandate voted no because the final product also included multiple new taxes. Thus Democrats can now say they voted to repeal the 1099 burden without in fact having repealed it.

  • Jonathan Evans

    Twice deemed unconstitutional and twice deemed constitutional, but let’s not get caught up with facts and such.

  • Matt

    And so the Republicans’ giant waste of time and taxpayer money fighting for health care “repeal” ends in defeat. As if any other outcome was inevitable. No matter what right-wing activist judges or Teapublicans in Congress say, health care is the law of the land and is here to say. Tweaks are likely; “repeal” is dead.
    http://sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/

  • paulejb

    Jonathan Evans@1.1,

    Do you really believe that that is something they can hang their hats on when 58% of likely voters want ObamaCare repealed.

    The public sees part of ObamaCare being voted down in a bi-partisan vote. They see hundreds of ObamaCare waivers being issued by the administration. They see that, so far, the best that ObamaCare can do in court is a 2-2 split. They see states refusing to implement Obamacare.

    Do you really believe that a vote against putting an end to this travesty is a winning bet?

  • paulejb

    matt@4,

    How is a vote to repeal Obamacare a waste of taxpayer money. It’s what the taxpayers wants. The Senators and House members are there every week anyway, they could could vote every week to repeal the health care bill and it wouldn’t cost anything.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “58% of likely voters want ObamaCare repealed.”
    .
    A link would be helpful.

  • paulejb

    Paul-no…@1.3,

    You wish is my command…

    Http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

  • paulejb
  • Paul-no not that one

    Thanks paulejb.
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    Rasmussen
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    I just won a dollar from my cuter half. Of course I was raised to not take money from a bet that was a sure thing.

  • garylk

    “they could could vote every week to repeal the health care bill ”
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    And most Republicans would be perfectly content spending their whole term doing just that. This is now a done deal, though. What’s next from the GOP in Congress? Anything useful or will they spend this entire session whining about what happened in the previous session?

  • tpaine1

    I’m so grateful to the Senate Democrats assuring Republicans that we will have the 60 votes come 2012.

    I’m terribly sorry that “Dirty Harry” doesn’t want to talk about ObamaCare anymore because he’s not going to hear the end of it until its buried under six feet of paper (about the length of the bill).

    Dems, get over it. It is NEVER going to be enacted EVER.

    WE CAN’T AFFORD IT!!

  • tpaine1

    Precisely what Republicans wanted to do. God bless Democrats for . . . well, being Democrats.

  • tpaine1

    I know Matt you, like “The Smartest Man In The Room,” would like for your wishes to be everyone’s command, but it’s just not the real world.
    ObamaCare costs more than Social Security and MediCare COMBINED and helps fewer people. With Social Security and MediCare already broke, buddy, WE CAN’T AFFORD IT!!
    “We, the people” are going to keep voting you guys out of office until this nasty bit of socialism is dead, cremated and thrown into the sea – never to return.
    SOCIALISM HAS NEVER WORKED ANYWHERE ITS BEEN TRIED – NEVER!!

  • rwbbinla

    I guess the CBO analysis of the future savings is in error? Prove it!

  • Art Pepper

    Why didn’t they just pay the $19B by cutting taxes? Duh!

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Taxes are lower now than they’ve been in my entire rather extensive lifetime and people are STILL whining about what they can’t afford.

    Create a bill that saves money and they whine that they can’t afford it.

  • paulejb

    Paul-no…@1.6,

    It was my pleasure, but you still owe me 50 cents.

  • paulejb

    garylk@4.2,

    Whining would be a waste of time. They need to roll up their sleeves and begin to dismantle Obamunism one brick at a time. That is what the voters put them there to do.

  • paulejb

    rwbbinla@5.1,

    What are the chances that a $500 billion dollar cuts in Medicare will be made to offset the costs of ObamaCare? Do you see this Congress voting for those cuts?

  • paulejb

    Paul Dirks@7,

    “saves money”

    Really? Than why are health care premiums going through the roof?

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Because they’ve been doing so all along.

  • diecash1

    Than why are health care premiums going through the roof?

    Certainly not because of the ACA. It’s your supposition and the onus is on you to prove it, if you can.

  • paulejb

    Paul Dirks@7,2,

    How can that be? Obama promised that Obamacare would lower costs. What happened?

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    How can that be? Obama promised that Obamacare would lower costs

    Your arguments would have more force if you refrained from lying. “Bend the cost curve’ is a rather ungainly phrase but it refers to lowering the rate of increase in health care costs. That is not the same as lowering it but it IS necessary because the problem of health care costs is an ongoing one that at one point everyone agreed needed to be addressed.

  • diecash1

    Your arguments would have more force if you refrained from lying.

    If he refrained from lying, he’d have no argument at all.

  • http://madmike013.wordpress.com madmike013

    Can any of these politicians think well enough on their own to decide if a bill has merit without simply following party lines?
    They stuck a health care amendment to the FAA bill?
    If something is really needed then why should they need to sneak it in thru attached to a completely unrelated bill?
    It’s about like bringing a bag of groceries home only to find out later there were roaches living in the bag…

  • earljr1

    As paulejb correctly pointed out, the majority of American people want this monstrosity repealed and ultimately, it will be.

    Along with the public, physicians abhor this useless boondoggle called Obamacare and try as you might, democrats, until we sign on and climb on board, it is NEVER going to work.

    Paul Ryan has a good plan that many physicians support. It is time we started formulating legislation that actually WOULD work without breaking the system we currently have in place.

  • paulejb

    Paul Dirks@7.5,

    Was he lying too?

    http://politifact.com//truth-o-meter/statements/2009/dec/18/barack-obama/obama-said-health-care-reform-will-reduce-cost-hea/

    Before you accuse someone of lying, get your facts straight, champ.

  • paulejb

    diecash1@7.6,

    As I told Paul, get your facts straight before you open your mouth. Now the two of you look like fools.

  • ohiolibb

    “We, the people” are going to keep voting you guys out of office until this nasty bit of socialism is dead, cremated and thrown into the sea – never to return
    -
    You know, this would be funny if a program with an individual mandate wasn’t the R counter-proposal in 1994. But of course, yesterday’s R ideas are today’s socialism.

  • nflfoghorn

    “Twice deemed unconstitutional and twice deemed constitutional”
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    And at least twelve times not deemed worthy to render judgment by other judges.

  • nflfoghorn

    If you’re gonna cite a two-year-old article, Paulie Walnut, it might help to actually READ it:
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    “…[W]hen Obama says the plan would cut the cost of health care, it’s not a simple answer. If he’s talking about cutting people’s premiums, the president is backed up by the CBO. According to the CBO, some people would pay more, but on average, most people — people in employer plans — would see very modest reductions in premiums compared to what they’d be expected to pay if nothing changes. If he’s talking about the deficit, again, he’s got support. The CBO estimates the plan would slightly reduce the deficit.
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    But when it comes to cutting health care expenditures, it’s a little trickier. According to CMS, spending is expected to rise slightly (0.7 percent), due to adding some 33 million more people to the insured ranks. Obama can make a case that in the later years of the 10-year projection, the rate of growth for health care expenditures would be somewhat slowed. But in attempting to simpify the issue, saying that the plan would reduce the cost of health care, we think Obama sacrifices some accuracy.
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    “And so we rate his statement Half True. “

  • nflfoghorn

    I don’t think the Republicans want you to return the bag, either.

  • nflfoghorn

    Now in terms of correcting a flaw in the HCR law, the Dems should’ve been more upfront as well.

  • nflfoghorn

    OT – wonder what neocons make of their “news” network:
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    http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/media/content/while-cnn-and-msnbc-report-violence-egypt-fox-news-covers-launch-owners-new-ipad-product
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    (I also posted on Wednesday’s MMR on the subject.)

  • paulejb

    nflfoghorn@7.9,

    Read the quote, foghorn. Obama said that his reform would cut costs. I didn’t say it, he did. You people are going to have to do better than just mouthing off with ad hominems and insults. It makes you look either stupid or malign.

  • liberalmeltdown

    My government at work…as if poor time management and party line votes are the real problem.
    .
    You know what’s worse? When the government passes something…let’s see; like NAFTA. That has worked so well. The healthcare bill, amnesty, the tax code (now that’s is a true testimonial to government, thousands of pages of regulations), then there are those friendly, easy to access and use government agencies like Social Security, government at work is just a fantastic thing to behold. Don’t you just love the DMV? Veterans facilities, county, city, state offices and officials, they are all sooooo efficient. Like the Los Angeles School District that spends $30,000 a year to educate illegal alien’s children and manages to graduate almost 41%. That’s great. I sure want to support that. Please raise my taxes. Put a teacher on TV and lecture us how they desperately need more and more money, so don’t be an SOB and vote yes for that tax increase for our (well it’s not really our schools; it’s schools for people that are stealing services) schools. Yeah!

  • liberalmeltdown

    A flaw, you mean THE flaw. The whole thing is a bag of maggots.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Don’t you just love the DMV? Veterans facilities, county, city, state offices and officials, they are all sooooo efficient.”
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    Psychiatric meltdown, give it up.
    .
    Don’t you just love the cable company who takes four calls to so you can find out why your internet service is down to 6.4mbps instead double that? Insurance companies who are thrilled to grab your money every month take weeks to pay you when they have to pay ut a dime, banks, phone companies, credit care companies and officials, they are all sooooo efficient.
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    The answer is, psychiatric meltdown that all large institutions get bureaucratic and slow.
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    How about we make the DMV into a private company, goes to the lowest bidder and have the government take over the banks.
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    Oooops!
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    Bush already took over all of the banks since they not only put you on hold forever to find out why your balance is $150 off, they were moronic enough to lend out all of your hard earned money to people who couldn’t pay you back.
    .
    Please, meltdown, try to come up with an argument which is exclusively relevant to government only, not all large institutions.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Paully,
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    “You people are going to have to do better than just mouthing off with ad hominems and insults. It makes you look either stupid or malign.”
    .
    With allies like yours on this blog, that argument rings hollow.
    .
    If you went after your allies for attacking everybody else, you could hold the moral high ground. Instead, you allow ad hominem mortar attacks so long as it going right to left, but, not a nerf ball going left to right.

  • newfreedomblog

    “You people are going to have to do better than just mouthing off with ad hominems and insults. It makes you look either stupid or malign.”

    .
    Unfortunately this is their only basis to defend anything. Always has been here in the swamp, probably always will. No matter how much proof you give them, in the end you shall be a “paulie walnut” just because you are more conservative, and you challenge their ideological talking points.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Thinking of not only government and for-profit businesses screwing up, how about when people complained to the Catholic Church about pedophile Priests or when non-profit The United Way had a scandal about how it misused funds?
    .
    Some lines of work are prone to being clumsy, slow and inefficient.
    .
    Not all institutions, private for profit, non-profit or government can be as quick as getting a burger at the local dinner just due to the nature of the work.

  • newfreedomblog

    It is great foggy. Now I can get Fox News anytime of the day, night, anyplace and keep up with what is going on in the world.
    .
    Have they shut down the progressive NPR yet? Maybe Glenn Beck can send them a few blackboards so you can keep up with the news too for a change.
    .
    Perhaps Katie Couric can keep you up-to-date on the “Evening News”.
    .

  • freeinpa

    “You know, this would be funny if a program with an individual mandate wasn’t the R counter-proposal in 1994.”
    .
    No its damn funny. The Dems didn’t go for it then an dnow that its been declared unconstitutional the Dems keep voting to keep it. The Dems love to use the Constitution as a punch line.

  • freeinpa

    “”Bend the cost curve’ is a rather ungainly phrase but it refers to lowering the rate of increase in health care costs. That is not the same as lowering it”
    .
    That is 100% liberal crap!!!. Mathematically how do you draw a cost curve? (I’ll help since you seem to be incapable of understanding this)—plot costs. If you bend the curve –costs go down. Never it Obama or anyone from Team DOnkey talk about bending the rate of change cost curve. Ungainly is French for we lied again.
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    Once again the biggest lies is what liberals keep telling themselves.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Speakin’ of the devil, here he is right on cue.
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    “I’m guessing Rev Jim is getting his “vacation” paid for too. How many food stamps do you get now-a-days Jim?”
    .
    So, let me correct your statement:
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    “Unfortunately this is the only basis to defend anything right wing. Has been here in the swamp for as long as I have been launching these attacks, probably always will until I stop posting. No matter how much proof they give us, in the end you shall be a “Rev Jim” just because you are more liberal, and you challenge their ideological talking points.”
    .
    Now that would be a correct statement.
    .
    Rusty, if started reprimanding your ideological partner Freeinpa and not using such attacks yourself, then you would have a point.
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    I, myself, never added on “Walnuts” to Paully myself, but, with two other Pauls, we need to differentiate.
    .
    Besides, despite being a sociopath, since he is totally fictional and only, therefore, kills fictional people, Paully Walnuts is a funny and almost likable character. (If he were a real person, who hurt real people, that would be different.)

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    NPR has podcasts and has for years now.
    .
    You wouldn’t know about that since you don’t want to be informed. You want to hear that the Republicans are always right.
    .
    When I have some work to do that doesn’t involve speaking with clients I love to listen to (both non-political as it happens) Radio Lab (about science) and This American Life (about current events mostly, but told in narratives).
    .
    NPR gets 97% of it’s support from people like me so Republicans can not, without violating the first amendment EVER shut it down.
    .
    Besides, if you wanted to know what the real left sounds like, Pacifica radio is the actual left and 100% listener sponsored (not 1% paid for by the government).

  • newfreedomblog

    “You know, this would be funny if a program with an individual mandate wasn’t the R counter-proposal in 1994. But of course, yesterday’s R ideas are today’s socialism.”

    “The Chafee and Clinton plans included mandates to make them universal”
    .
    http://www.princeton.edu/~starr/20starr.html
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    Chafee…Chafee, who is Lincoln Chafee? Oh yea, he is now the “Independent” Gov from Rhode Island. A RINO at the time the Carter Healthcare proposals were being debated.
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    Ooopsie, sorry ohlibbytard, it was not a “R counter-proposal”, not in the least.

  • newfreedomblog

    They knew it wouldn’t work then, it will not work now.
    .

    “The Cooper plan covered up its inadequate financing by forcing health plans to eat losses from unfunded subsidies for the poor. The Chafee plan had nowhere near enough revenue to pay for the subsidies it envisioned for households with incomes up to 240 percent of the poverty level. These inadequacies were typical of recent moderate and conservative proposals. The reform plan that President Bush presented in February 1992, for example, included no financing provisions at all. Dole backed out of the Chafee bill and later out of the bill he cosponsored with Packwood when he saw the fiscal difficulties they posed.
    .
    The financing provisions in the Chafee and Cooper plans also raised other objections. Studies showed that Chafee’s individual mandate and subsidies would sharply increase costs for middle-class households; both the Chafee and Cooper plans created strong incentives against work. If the president had embraced either proposal, the spotlight would have fallen on these problems.”

    .
    http://www.princeton.edu/~starr/20starr.html

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Never it Obama or anyone from Team DOnkey talk about bending the rate of change cost curve. Ungainly is French for we lied again.
    .
    Once again the biggest lies is what liberals keep telling themselves.”
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    Freak,
    .
    Just because this is too complicated for you does not make it untrue.
    .
    Medical care always gets paid for except for the most tragic cases when the person needing medical care drops dead or becomes disabled due to lack of care.
    .
    When people drop dead, their earnings go down to $0.
    .
    When people are disabled, their earnings go into negative numbers since they need welfare to get by.
    .
    You keep on mistaking going to the hospital for a trip to Disneyland.
    .
    How do costs per person go down with universal coverage?
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    Easy.
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    1) People under 50 who do not get annual checkups do not get checked for the early signs of serious illnesses when they are cheap to take care of, such as high blood pressure, obesity and so on.
    .
    So, when they get to a doctor when it is just a minor problem, the costs are far lower than if it is neglected.
    .
    2) People without health insurance still get free medical care through emergency rooms, but, due to the screening process often wait until small infections and minor cases of the flu are debilitating and require lost worktime and far larger amounts of antibiotics, other medications and follow up care.
    .
    Healthy employees out work unhealthy employees and GDP goes up.
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    Employers for McJobs which only intend to keep an employee for a year or two can ignore a worker’s illness and pass them on sick to the next employer who will face the costs of a sick employee.
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    On a national level, this is far more costly than requiring all employers to take care of their workers so that they exchange not getting passed on a sick employee for making sure that they do not pass on sick employees.

  • freeinpa

    Rev Jim once again you try to impress (mostly yourself) with some long winded answer that is wrong start to finish. In your deluded mind I am sure you are convinced that it was a brilliant response. Maybe you should try and attend the Bronx Community College and get a basic understanding well of anything–

    .
    Keep lying to yourself.

  • freeinpa

    PS Rev Jim

    You pitiful attempt to pretend you are on a high ground cover anyone tossing insults is comical since you do it daily with regularity to any conservative. But true to form you lie to yourself.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    So, Rusty, who else might be called a “RINO” by 2011 standards:
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    Sen Bennett, Robert F. [UT] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Bond, Christopher S. [MO] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Boren, David L. [OK] – 5/17/1994
    Sen Cohen, William S. [ME] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Danforth, John C. [MO] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Dole, Robert J. [KS] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Domenici, Pete V. [NM] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Durenberger, Dave [MN] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Faircloth, Lauch [NC] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Gorton, Slade [WA] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Grassley, Chuck [IA] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Hatch, Orrin G. [UT] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Hatfield, Mark O. [OR] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Kassebaum, Nancy Landon [KS] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Kerrey, J. Robert [NE] – 5/17/1994
    Sen Lugar, Richard G. [IN] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Simpson, Alan K. [WY] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Specter, Arlen [PA] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Stevens, Ted [AK] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Warner, John [VA] – 11/22/1993
    Sen Brown, Hank [CO] – 11/22/1993
    .
    IOW: This is a Republican plan opposed by today’s Republicans for no reason other than partisan politics and against what these people all know is best for America.
    .
    Why do today’s Republicans hate America?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Take a look for yourself, Rusty:
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    The 1993 Republican bill is “Obamacare”.
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    http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2010/February/23/GOP-1993-health-reform-bill.aspx

  • freeinpa

    “NPR gets 97% of it’s support from people like me”
    .
    More liberal “facts” from Rev Jim. Repeating left wing crap doesn’t make it so. I also doubt NPR holds fund raisers at the local asylum to get support from people like you!

    “In 2009, member stations derived 6% of their revenue from direct government funding, 10% of their revenue from federal funding in the form of CPB grants, and 14% of their revenue from universities.[14][15] NPR receives no direct funding from the federal government.[16] About 1.5% of NPR’s revenues come from Corporation for Public Broadcasting grants.”

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Freak,
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    Point #1: where do you think these ideas came from?
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    Answer: Universities studying how Germany, then England, then France, all got healthier than we are and started living longer.
    .
    So, more college would mean that I would have more facts to beat you with.
    .
    So, you should recommend, instead, the meth lab you get all of your ideas from if you wished me to think more like you.
    .
    You are now claiming that no illnesses can be taken care of by getting treated sooner rather than later?
    .
    This is absurd even for you.

  • freeinpa

    “Bush already took over all of the banks since they not only put you on hold forever to find out why your balance is $150 off”
    .
    Do you ever run out of psychotic delusions? What banks exactly did Bush takeover (let alone all). You seem to be confusing him with your boy toy Obama who actaully did take over companies as a payoff to labor while trying to destroy HC insurance Cos, coal companies and oil companies to placate enviro-whackos

  • freeinpa

    “So, more college would mean that I would have more facts to beat you with.”
    .
    That’s a leap Evel Knievel could not make. Your delusional mind has its own “facts” which you continually use in the face of reality.

    Take your meds put on your tin foil hat and lie down

  • freeinpa

    “Now in terms of correcting a flaw in the HCR law”
    .
    That’s an interesting view of a law being unconstitutional! Other than the gunshot how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln?

  • newfreedomblog

    Poor patty sartor. The plan proposed by Clinton and Chaffee that you cite was determined to be totally un-workable then, as it is today. Period.
    .
    You should really read the article I cited, it gives an excellent review of the 1993 Clinton Healthcare debate, who were the players, and all of the outcomes.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “That’s a leap Evel Knievel could not make. Your delusional mind has its own “facts” which you continually use in the face of reality.

    Take your meds put on your tin foil hat and lie down.”
    .
    Do you know where I read about health care reform first?
    .
    Harvard.
    .
    Economists have been talking about it for decades.
    .
    Tinfoil hat?
    .
    Okay, YOU’RE WEARING WAXPAPER UNDERPANTS!
    .
    Apparently you find it amusing to claim that people are wearing leftover wrappings. I have no idea why one would make a hat out of tin foil.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Actually it is 5.8% of the funding is combined state and federal aid so that only 94.2% of the funding is from people like me.
    .
    http://www.npr.org/about/aboutnpr/publicradiofinances.html#npr

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (Division A of Pub.L. 110-343, enacted October 3, 2008), commonly referred to as a bailout of the U.S. financial system, is a law enacted in response to the subprime mortgage crisis authorizing the United States Secretary of the Treasury to spend up to US$700 billion to purchase distressed assets, especially mortgage-backed securities, and make capital injections into banks.[1][2] Both foreign and domestic banks are included in the program. The Federal Reserve also extended help to American Express, whose bank-holding application it recently approved.[3] The Act was proposed by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson during the global financial crisis of 2008.

    The original proposal was submitted to the United States House of Representatives, with the purpose of purchasing bad assets, reducing uncertainty regarding the worth of the remaining assets, and restoring confidence in the credit markets. The bill was then expanded and put forth as an amendment to H.R. 3997.[4] The amendment was rejected via a vote of the House of Representatives on September 29, 2008, voting 205-228.[5]

    On October 1, 2008, the Senate debated and voted on an amendment to H.R. 1424, which substituted a newly revised version of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 for the language of H.R. 1424.[6][7] The Senate accepted the amendment and passed the entire amended bill, voting 74-25.[8] Additional unrelated provisions added an estimated $150 billion to the cost of the package and increased the length of the bill to 451 pages.[9][10] (See Public Law 110-343 for details on the added provisions.) The amended version of H.R. 1424 was sent to the House for consideration, and on October 3, the House voted 263-171 to enact the bill into law.[6][11][12] President George W. Bush signed the bill into law within hours of its congressional enactment, creating the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) to purchase failing bank assets.[13]”
    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Economic_Stabilization_Act_of_2008
    .
    Apparently you were too busy in your meth lab in October of 2008 to notice that Bush took over all of the “toxic assets” (AKA moronic, inefficient, counterproductive loans to people who could not pay it back) and woke up after your binge ended and blamed President Obama.

  • freeinpa

    “what these people all know is best for America”
    .
    Amazing how these Republicans know what’s best for America when it comes to spending other people’s money but are idiots when it comes to defense, taxes and any social depravity the Rev Jim can come up with?

    They don’t hate America they hate the downward spiral the left has put America in

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Mathematically how do you draw a cost curve? (I’ll help since you seem to be incapable of understanding this)—plot costs. If you bend the curve –costs go down

    Since you’ve claimed to have engineering background, I can only assume utter dishonesty. A curve which has a slope of 1 (rising at a 45 degree angle, whose slope is reduced to .5 has been bent downward while still describing an increasing value.

    I know it pays to assume your audience is stupid. Or am I giving you too much credit?

  • freeinpa

    You see the left likes to leave out the fact that the CBO only scored what was in the bill. The “Doc fix” was not in the final version. Nor do they mention the CBO stating that all the revenues expected may fall short. The static economic analysis the CBO and government agencies has never come close to reality. Both parties use the CBO as political cover.You would find a new doctor if he was as wrong as many times as the CBO

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    What nfl’s post would look like without insults:
    .
    “If you’re gonna cite a two-year-old article, Paulie Walnut, it might help to actually READ it:
    .
    “…[W]hen Obama says the plan would cut the cost of health care, it’s not a simple answer. If he’s talking about cutting people’s premiums, the president is backed up by the CBO. According to the CBO, some people would pay more, but on average, most people — people in employer plans — would see very modest reductions in premiums compared to what they’d be expected to pay if nothing changes. If he’s talking about the deficit, again, he’s got support. The CBO estimates the plan would slightly reduce the deficit.
    .
    But when it comes to cutting health care expenditures, it’s a little trickier. According to CMS, spending is expected to rise slightly (0.7 percent), due to adding some 33 million more people to the insured ranks. Obama can make a case that in the later years of the 10-year projection, the rate of growth for health care expenditures would be somewhat slowed. But in attempting to simpify the issue, saying that the plan would reduce the cost of health care, we think Obama sacrifices some accuracy.
    .
    “And so we rate his statement Half True. ”
    .
    This is almost totally in tact.
    .
    Now, let’s do the same for Freeinpa:
    .
    “#
    7.16

    Rev Jim once again you try to impress
    (mostly yourself) with some long winded answer that is wrong start to finish. In your deluded mind I am sure you are convinced that it was a brilliant response. Maybe you should try and attend the Bronx Community College and get a basic understanding well of anything–

    .
    . Keep lying to yourself.
    freeinpa
    February 3, 2011
    at 8:07 am
    #
    7.17

    PS Rev Jim

    You [sic] pitiful attempt to pretend you are on a high ground cover anyone tossing insults is comical since you do it daily with regularity to any conservative. But true to form you lie to yourself.
    .
    See the difference?

  • freeinpa

    “Taxes are lower now than they’ve been in my entire rather extensive lifetime and people are STILL whining about what they can’t afford.”
    .
    Add up federal, state local, social security & medicare, sales tax, excise tax, gas tax, property tax, excise taxes of all sorts among others, the overall tax bill is not lower at all.

    Hard to believe people whining at being taxed at every turn

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    What nfl’s post would look like without insults:
    .
    “If you’re gonna cite a two-year-old article, Paulie Walnut, it might help to actually READ it:
    .
    “…[W]hen Obama says the plan would cut the cost of health care, it’s not a simple answer. If he’s talking about cutting people’s premiums, the president is backed up by the CBO. According to the CBO, some people would pay more, but on average, most people — people in employer plans — would see very modest reductions in premiums compared to what they’d be expected to pay if nothing changes. If he’s talking about the deficit, again, he’s got support. The CBO estimates the plan would slightly reduce the deficit.
    .
    But when it comes to cutting health care expenditures, it’s a little trickier. According to CMS, spending is expected to rise slightly (0.7 percent), due to adding some 33 million more people to the insured ranks. Obama can make a case that in the later years of the 10-year projection, the rate of growth for health care expenditures would be somewhat slowed. But in attempting to simpify the issue, saying that the plan would reduce the cost of health care, we think Obama sacrifices some accuracy.
    .
    “And so we rate his statement Half True. ”
    .
    This is almost totally in tact.
    .
    Now, let’s do the same for Freeinpa:
    .
    “#
    7.16

    Rev Jim once again you try to impress
    (mostly yourself) with some long winded answer that is wrong start to finish. In your deluded mind I am sure you are convinced that it was a brilliant response. Maybe you should try and attend the Bronx Community College and get a basic understanding well of anything–

    .
    . Keep lying to yourself.
    freeinpa
    February 3, 2011
    at 8:07 am
    #
    7.17

    PS Rev Jim

    You [sic] pitiful attempt to pretend you are on a high ground cover anyone tossing insults is comical since you do it daily with regularity to any conservative. But true to form you lie to yourself. ”
    .
    See the difference?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Sorry, I am trying to use the cross out feature
    and it is failing
    .

    .

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Add up federal, state local, social security & medicare, sales tax, excise tax, gas tax, property tax, excise taxes of all sorts among others, the overall tax bill is not lower at all.”
    .
    Send links or admit that you are lying since you hate it when sick people get medical care, unemployed people feed their children and the handicapped do not die starving on the streets as any reasonable person would conclude from reading your constantly hateful and angry posts.

  • freeinpa

    “Do you know where I read about health care reform first?
    .
    Harvard.”
    .
    Wow the same school that has George W. Bush as an alum. I know you are fascinated by “name schools” especially ones that you failed but I am not.

    As I read last week in the WSJ, “A” become academics while “C” become millionaire donors. Or those that can do those that can’t teach

  • nflfoghorn

    The point I (and Deggans in his blog) make is that if The Daily (minus the Show) is supposed to be covering the “news,” why isn’t it (and Flox) in Egypt covering the thing. Apparently Howling Mad Murdoch thinks his audience doesn’t care about what’s going on halfway around the world.
    .
    Cutie Katie can work on her tan some other time.

  • freeinpa

    “94.2% of the funding is from people like me”
    .
    Still wrong. Corporate sponsors are hardly like you. Foundations giving grants are hardly like you. Etc.etc

    I sincerely doubt that people that 94.2% is donated by people who are nothing but a burden to society!

  • freeinpa

    The master of wikipedia cutting and pasting and out and out idiot.

    TARP loans are not equity onwership!

    Let’s see you fail science. economics, finance, history, political science and reading.

    No wonder you fail at life

  • freeinpa

    “See the difference?”

    No- your an idiot no matter what? You prove it multiples times a day

  • freeinpa

    “Sorry, I am trying to use the cross out feature
    and it is failing”
    .
    That is something you excel at–FAILING!!!!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “That is something you excel at–FAILING!!!!”

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “The master of wikipedia cutting and pasting and out and out idiot.

    TARP loans are not equity onwership!”
    .
    It’s worse.
    .
    It’s bailing out a for profit business.
    .
    As for failing…
    .
    You’re the one who still thinks that the oil companies are the right ones to ask about climate change, that the Tea Party, not constitutional lawyers are the ones to ask about the constitution….
    .
    You, obviously, haven’t finished high school and were, probably expelled for your horrendous behavior.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Unlike you, I LEARN from my mistakes and will not look up my ass for the answers.
    .
    I am asking WordPress since Stuart Zechman is not online.

  • np042

    No- your an idiot no matter what?

    You just keep on keepin on there champ.

  • freeinpa

    “Unlike you, I LEARN from my mistakes and will not look up my ass for the answers”
    .
    Having read your answers you and the blog would be better served if you did look up your ass for answers.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Bush got through Harvard by family name. His father and grandfather were major donors.
    .
    Obama was president of the Law review at Harvard with no help from anybody.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “What nfl’s post would look like without insults:
    .
    “If you’re gonna cite a two-year-old article, Paulie Walnut , it might help to actually READ it:
    .
    “…[W]hen Obama says the plan would cut the cost of health care, it’s not a simple answer. If he’s talking about cutting people’s premiums, the president is backed up by the CBO. According to the CBO, some people would pay more, but on average, most people — people in employer plans — would see very modest reductions in premiums compared to what they’d be expected to pay if nothing changes. If he’s talking about the deficit, again, he’s got support. The CBO estimates the plan would slightly reduce the deficit.
    .
    But when it comes to cutting health care expenditures, it’s a little trickier. According to CMS, spending is expected to rise slightly (0.7 percent), due to adding some 33 million more people to the insured ranks. Obama can make a case that in the later years of the 10-year projection, the rate of growth for health care expenditures would be somewhat slowed. But in attempting to simpify the issue, saying that the plan would reduce the cost of health care, we think Obama sacrifices some accuracy.
    .
    “And so we rate his statement Half True. ”
    .
    This is almost totally in tact.
    .
    Now, let’s do the same for Freeinpa:
    .
    “#
    7.16

    Rev Jim once again you try to impress (mostly yourself) with some long winded answer that is wrong start to finish. In your deluded mind I am sure you are convinced that it was a brilliant response. Maybe you should try and attend the Bronx Community College and get a basic understanding well of anything–

    .
    . Keep lying to yourself.
    freeinpa
    February 3, 2011
    at 8:07 am
    #
    7.17

    PS Rev Jim

    You [sic] pitiful attempt to pretend you are on a high ground cover anyone tossing insults is comical since you do it daily with regularity to any conservative. But true to form you lie to yourself. “
    .
    See the difference?
    .
    This may work, but, my preview is not showing.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Still not right:
    .
    “7.16

    Rev Jim once again you try to impress (mostly yourself) with some long winded answer that is wrong start to finish. In your deluded mind I am sure you are convinced that it was a brilliant response. Maybe you should try and attend the Bronx Community College and get a basic understanding well of anything–

    Keep lying to yourself.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Now, pointed to the right link, I have managed to learn how to use fonts better in just about half an hour.
    .
    You have seen link after link after link and you have learned nothing at all.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Reverend Jim, don’t you have a video game to play? Or, did they repossess your Atari console?
    .
    Business is booming for you; that’s why you have nothing but time on your hands, well we really don’t want to know what’s on your hands. Anyway, maybe you should open a hotdog stand. It would give you something productive to do, provided you don’t eat your way out of business. And, you can tell your story to all the other weenies.

  • ohiolibb

    Thank you, rustyblog, for further supporting my point that yesterdays conservatives are today’s socialists. After all, I seem to recall even Newt, the SotH at the time, coming in favor of the R proposal; which, as you’ve refused to admit, is 90% Obamacare. Newt was in favor the personal mandate, before he was against it.
    -
    http://www.healthinsuranceplansinfo.com/healthinsurance-health-news/pivot/entry.php?id=846&w=my_weblog
    -
    Then again, when you’re a racist and a fool, name-calling and changing the subject are all you have left. Have run Rustyblog.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Psychiatric meltdown,
    .
    It’s called a recession.
    .
    No, I won’t let you play with my joy stick nor will I let you eat my hot dog.
    .
    Now, what wonderful thing do you do for a living?
    .
    I’ve posted here where I work and what I do (but not which clients I work with since that is proprietary information).
    .
    Many people canceled work this week because we have the worst Winter since 1925 here in NYC and you’re running around telling everybody that you know that it is not climate change.

  • paulejb

    patricksartor@7.11,

    You neglect to mention that I was labeled a “liar” by two of your comrades and then a third piled on. I merely proceeded to dismantle their arguments and prove that they are fools.

    I am not the monitor of the Time magazine comments page. I hold no responsibility for anyone’s comments but my own. I do not, however, suffer fools gladly, so if you wish to take me on than I strongly suggest that you come prepared with facts rather than school yard taunts.

    But as the case so often is, in a battle of wits, liberals arrive unarmed.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Thanks for the laugh Reverend Jim. Enjoy your global warming…ah cooling…ah climate change…whatever we gottal do something!!!!! LOL!
    .
    California is great, for the weather. The liberals stink the place up. Let’s see, I’m looking at 85 degrees for Super Bowl Sunday. Enjoy your climate.
    .
    Stop blaming the recession and find something to do. Sell carbon credits to your liberal friends. Let’s see how much they REALLY believe.

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