After Egypt

It’s too early to say whether the uprisings in Egypt, Yemen and other places will be remembered as brief rebellions or an historic turning point for the Arab world. Which is why Obama administration is struggling to find the right words for a which pits our natural sympathy for democratic reform against the fairly reliable partnerships Washington now enjoys with Cairo and Sana’a.

Still, for all the unpredictable consequences, it seems unlikely that a change of regime in either country would be a true Iran-1979 style fiasco for the U.S. (Certainly no one here would mind terribly if, say, Mohamed ElBaredei were to take over Egypt, although that seems quite unlikely at the moment.)

It could be a different story, however, if this anti-authoritarian people power should spread to Saudi Arabia. Unlike Egypt, the Saudi kingdom is a breeding ground for the brand of Wahhabi fundamentalism that fuels (philosophically and financially) al Qaeda. Remember that 15 of the 19 September 11 hijackers were Saudi nationals. And the Saudi royals, for all the unproductive things they do, are essential strategic partners for the U.S. on a wide range of issues. There’s terrorism, for instance: It was the Saudi intelligence service that tipped us off to the cargo bombs headed to Chicago from Yemen last October. And then of course there’s the country’s vast oil reserves, vital enough to the American economy that they’re a prime reason we fought the 1991 Gulf War. It’s little surprise, then, that oil prices are already surging; you can expect them to hit record levels should the house of Saudi begin to crumble.

The good news is that a friend who works in Riyadh reports no sign of unrest there, and notes that–unlike Hosni Mubarak in Egypt–Saudi King Abdullah has deftly presented himself as a liberal reformer at home. And yet there are reports today that dozens of protesters have been arrested in Jeddah–after a demonstration reportedly organized via text message–to express outrage about flooding in Jeddah for which poor infrastructure has been blamed. That’s still a far cry from what we’re seeing in the streets of Egypt. But any significant protests in Saudi Arabia are rare, making this one very much worth our close attention.

P.S. Al Jazeera is now reporting street protests in Jordan. Which is a whole other can of worms, perhaps one for another post.

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  • http://www.124monkeys.com Sean DeCoursey forgot his password

    The house of Saud tumbling is one of the best possible outcomes of this whole thing. Seriously. Ever since the Wanat oil field bombing in ’78 the kingdom’s leadership has supported the wahhabists worldwide. Who do you think funded all the schools that eventually generated the Taliban? Who do you think is funding all the Madrassa’s that keep graduating suicide bombers?
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    The Saudi royals are insanely corrupt (witness Prince Bander and 1.5 BILLION in bribery charges), and they support the export of terror and more importantly the ideology and money that supports it. All to maintain peace at home at the expense of instability abroad, for others. The only “good” thing they do is keep the price of oil down, but thats really only done to help keep the world from developing alternatives to it.
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    Not to mention their truly abominable treatment of women, the essentially slave caste foreign labor they use, or the huge numbers of religious police who do helpful things like lock the doors of burning schools to prevent women from escaping fire without headcoverings.

  • allthingsinaname

    Amazing that what is supposed to be the most open, free society, in the world, with strongest Press, we watch in awe Aljazeera.
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    We are truly becoming a second tier nation.

  • afguy

    Is alJazeera becoming today’s version of CNN?

  • michaelfury

    “Remember that 15 of the 19 September 11 hijackers were Saudi nationals”

    Excellent memory, Mr. Crowley.

    Remember this?

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/09/08/silence-gives-consent/

  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    “The good news is that a friend who works in Riyadh reports no sign of unrest there…”

    It’s good that the Saudi people continue to acquiesce to their dictator? Okay. Boy, journalism sure has changed a lot.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Was CNN ever as good as Al Jazeera English is today? Serious question. They have reporters on the ground right now in Cairo, Suez, & Alexandria, and a steady stream of well-informed, non-partisan analysts in studios in London & Doha. Nonstop hard news for hours. (Well, except now they’re showing a Robert Gibbs press conference, but whatever).
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    It’s not the same thing at all, for many reasons– first off, we didn’t invade the entire Middle East and make it into US satellites. But these images all look like 1989 to me. It’s just that now we understand a bit better how it looked to the Russians.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Oh my god just shut the hell up and die already. No one ever reads your stupid conspiracy theory-spouting blog.
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    Why can’t this serial self-linking, zero-value-added cementhead be banned? Hey Mike, I think I overheard him calling you fat, or something. Can you ban him, please? TIA.

  • afguy

    Elvis,
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    How about during the FIRST Gulf War?
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    They were, at least, better. I think a bit of that had to do with who was running the network then. The guy was somewhat of a “maverick” and NEVER part of the mainstream media elite.

  • 53_3

    This, together with the Palestinian revelations make for a single point – the US was never an impartial broker in the Middle East.
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    If and when democracy does come to the ME, look for unsightly outcomes.
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    The problem with democracy and the far right anywhere is that unfortunately, locals people in the ME and everywhere else outside the US don’t believe in “American Exceptionalism” quite as strongly as we do – and they vote accordingly…

  • stuartzechman

    How closely do we suppose that Crowley’s perspective tracks that of the Administration, or the Serious Foreign Policy Community, or the establishment political press corps?

  • allthingsinaname

    AKA The Village? All of our news is slanted by the Village. How far do they need to travel to find out what is going on?

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    In complete agreement, but to this:
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    “Who do you think funded all the schools that eventually generated the Taliban? Who do you think is funding all the Madrassa’s that keep graduating suicide bombers?”
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    I would say American drivers, indirectly of course.

  • afguy

    How far do they need to travel to find out what is going on?
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    Local restaurant or coffee shop, maybe, but, if they don’t want to get out, a quick e-mail to Cokie, David, or Sally would give them all the background info they need to write the article.

  • allthingsinaname

    American Exceptionalism was never meant to be over bearing. 250 years ago it was exceptional, today? A bunch of nut cases trying to relive the past.

  • allthingsinaname

    Press on the cheap.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “Which is why Obama administration is struggling to find the right words for a which pits our natural sympathy for democratic reform against the fairly reliable partnerships Washington now enjoys with Cairo and Sana’a.”

    Stunning display of statist “sympathy” and propaganda in one statement. The present administration, much like those that have preceded it over the last 3 decades, has zero sympathy for democratic reform in the region. If it has been expressed, it’s b/c (Clinton’s initial reaction notw/standing) it would be openly shameful to do otherwise at this moment, when our good ally’s jackboot thuggery (courtesy of US aid) is plain for all the world to observe.

  • allthingsinaname

    Statist “sympathy= Americam Exceptionalism?

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Oh yes, I nearly forgot about “a true Iran-1979 style fiasco for the U.S.”

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    Mr. Leaf also said in the interview that he and his colleagues knew of the torture of Iranian dissenters by Savak, the Iranian secret police set up during the late 1950′s by the Shah with help from the CIA. Furthermore, Mr. Leaf said, a senior CIA official was involved in instructing officials in the Savak on torture techniques, although Mr. Leaf said that to his knowledge no americans did any of the torturing. The CIA’s torture seminars, Mr. Leaf said, “were based on German torture techniques from World War II.”

    The Shah himself was “one of our sources” of information, Mr. Leaf said. “He was a regular contact for a case officer.”

    Mr. Leaf said that because of the CIA’s complacency about the Shah, no one considered protesting about the Savak’s use of torture. “Why should we protest? We were on their side, remember?”

    Although the Iranian use of torture was widely known inside the agency, Mr. Leaf said, he knew of no Americans who admitted that they witnessed such treatment. “I do remember seeing and being told of people who were there seeing the rooms and being told of torture. And I know that the torture rooms were toured and it was all paid for by the USA.”

    Mr. Leaf said he decided to resign from the CIA after receiving an adverse fitness report in 1973. His basic complaint, he said, was that “policy pretty much determines reporting rather than the other way around.”

    Seymour Hersh
    New York Times, 1/7/79

    Yes, what an irritating fiasco.

  • 53_3

    I think that right now, the threat of war, or at least, a third intefada may be in the offing.
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    Most of it is driven by the current tensions between the people and their governments in the ME, coupled with PA willingness to go far beyond what many in Palestine were willing to settle for.
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    Look for Abbas to resign soon, along with the rest of the government.
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    It’s a serious problem because these events play into the hands of extremists on both sides now that revelations have demonstrated that the establishment both in the Arab ME, Israel, the PA, and the US itself were willing to work far over the heads of the local populations.
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    1. It clarifies PA’s willingness to settle for almost anything for peace.
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    2. The fact that the PA was willing to settle for almost anything also places Israel’s real intentions in a glaring light:
    …they did not want peace
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    3. Radicalization because of the latest breakdowns is coming. Hizb Allah in Lebanon, the Tunisian revolt, unrest in Egypt and the rest.
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    4. The destruction of relations between Turkey and Israel spelled the end of any legitimacy Israeli policies had in the Arab world.
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    5. With the sudden succession of shotgun blasts to America’s foreign policy in the ME, damaged by Neocon adventures there and exacerbated Obama’s Israeli-oriented foreign policy, wikilieaks, and the PA revelations in Al Jazeerah, are completely destroyed.
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    6. Without a credible stabilizing force, we are looking directly at possible widespread war.
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    7. Cheap missile technology and guerilla tactics have ameliorated the tremendous military balance between Israel and it’s neighbors.
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    I’m not kidding. Obama came through the test of South/North Korea with flying colors, but there is some question about whether he can avert war in the ME.

  • 53_3

    This has serious consequences. I check Al Jazeerah too. Sometimes they are slower than my own local online newsmag, which is better than CNN or the others (I check BBC regularly) because they get direct AP feeds and don’t “filter” out stories that reflect badly on Israel.

  • sacredh

    The civility experiment is dead. Good. It didn’t work and we shouldn’t ever try it again. I will personally pledge to be less civil. Bring back hussein11. There’s a couple of things I’d like to discuss with him in caps.

  • 53_3

    Of course, let’s not forget Iran…

  • apr2563

    As the NDP’s headquarters burn, there were fears that the Egyptian National Museum, which houses some of the world’s most ancient artifacts from the old Egyptian civilization and a beautiful collection of ancient whales fossils, would catch on fire too. There were earlier reports – albeit unconfirmed – that some people were looting the museum.

    Now Al Jazeera is reporting that young protesters have formed a human chain around the museum to protect it against looting. It seems for now that this treasure trove of human ingenuity and the natural world’s wonders is in no immediate danger.

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/01/a-very-touching-story.html

  • apr2563

    Daily Dish and TPM are good aggregators.

  • apr2563

    The rich got richer and the poor poorer in these countries. Sound familiar. The peasants have found the pitchforks. Will they find them here?

  • allthingsinaname

    It is the young without a future.

  • afguy

    The peasants have found the pitchforks. Will they find them here?
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    Sooner or later, apr… sooner or later.

  • 53_3

    This is going to be a very bumpy, very very dangerous ride.
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    A region wide war is a distinct possibility. Unfortunately, it will be a death knell for the nascent economic recovery…

  • fhmadvocat

    The reason this is “good news” is that unrest is Saudi Arabia would lead to skyrocket gas prices and since Mr. Crowley allegedly has to drive like the rest of us, stability in Saudi Arabia is good news.

  • 53_3

    The possibility of Egypts’ military siding with the protesters is real, and it offers a dynamic that might serve as a template for further revolts:
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    http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1107ap_ml_egypt_protest_army.html
    (AP feed)
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    This is a good development in that the revolt might not result in chaotic conditions. The military branches of the various nations may serve as a buffer against extremist interests as well.
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    The end result could see this sweeping the entire zone from Tunisia to the borders of Iraq.
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    If it does, there is a distinct possibility that the democracy movement in Iran might explode. They’re primed. A win in Egypt might just be the spark that galvanizes them into action.
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    I’m thinking that there may even be a silver lining to this cloud if this can proceed without slipping into chaos. The Egypt situation shows that the respective militaries will hold the key…

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