The GOP’s Two-Headed SOTU Response

House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan did an admirable job rebutting President Obama’s state of the union speech tonight. As Republicans with more stature have learned the hard way, ahem Bobby Jindal, answering the President’s hour-long speech in under 15 minutes can be tough. But the Wisconsin Republican’s biggest competition didn’t come from Obama – it came from his own party. The Tea Party Express decided that Ryan’s take wasn’t enough: they wanted to hear what one of their own made of the speech and so they asked Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota to deliver a second response.

Bachmann and Paul hit many of the same notes: the deficit is unacceptably large, as is the government. Dems have been on a smorgasbord of spending and regulation and need to be reined in. And while both focused on Obama and the Democrats, both speeches were equally aimed at each other: Ryan in placating the Tea Party and the Tea Party in holding him and the establishment accountable. The dueling speeches also showed the challenge the GOP leaders have in unifying their party and demonstrated that they will have to spend as much, if not more time, looking inwards – or to the right – as they do dealing Obama and the Democrats.

Both Ryan and Bachmann relitigated the last two years – the stimulus, health care reform, new regulations — sometimes with a brittle edge. Looking forward, they focused solely on slashing spending and shrinking the deficit; they ventured into no new policies or issues. Neither detailed how balancing the books might be done: no mentions were made of entitlement or defense spending, by far the biggest pieces in the budget. They did not look at places where Democrats and Republicans could find common ground. By contrast Obama sounded conciliatory; he named a range of areas where he hoped to work with Republicans from Afghanistan to reforming medical malpractice to clean energy technology. Obama said the word “forward” five times and only addressed his record of the past two years once, when he made the case why not to repeal health care reform. By comparison, Ryan never uttered the word “forward” and Bachmann said it only once. Granted, sweeping and visionary rhetoric is hard to pull off in a short rebuttal, but both speeches focused so intently on budget issues it was hard not to come off as one-noted.

Ryan was lauded by the cable talking heads – and this is a sampling of from CNN, MSNBC and Fox from throughout the day — as the “establishment” responder, as “one of the smartest guys in Congress” and some one who could “turn the page from George W. Bush’s fiscal irresponsibility.” He was more willing to cede ground: “Our debt is the product of acts by many presidents and many Congresses over many years,” he said. “No one person or party is responsible for it.” But, he wasn’t short of red meat. “It’s no coincidence that trust in government is at an all-time low now that the size of government is at an all-time high,” he said. “The President and the Democratic Leadership have shown, by their actions, that they believe government needs to increase its size and its reach, its price tag and its power.”

At least one commentator, Erik Erickson of RedState.com, said on CNN he preferred Bachmann’s speech for her use of simple, straightforward language as is “preferred by the Tea Party.” Bachmann, founder and chair of the House Tea Party Caucus, used a chart to demonstrate that deficits, while “large” under Bush, “ballooned” under Obama. She reminded viewers that November’s electoral successes came on the back of the Tea Party movement. “Thanks to you, there’s reason for all of us to have hope that real spending cuts are coming, because last November, you went to the polls, and you voted out the big-spending politicians and you put in their place great men and women with a commitment to follow our Constitution and cut the size of government,” she said.

It’s not uncommon for other Party members – especially those running for President — to give on-camera responses to a President’s state of the union. Obama himself rebutted Bush’s 2008 speech while then-Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius gave the official response. John Edwards rebutted Bush’s 2007 speech, despite the fact that Virginia Senator Jim Webb had been selected for the task. Bachmann has hinted she might make a bid for the GOP nomination in 2012, even visiting Iowa earlier this month. But what made this into something more than a would-be candidate grandstanding is the frienenenies relationship between the Tea Party and the GOP establishment. GOP leaders were less than thrilled that Bachmann chose to give the speech. She was originally meant to deliver it from the Capitol Hill Club – a bastion of the Republican establishment – but it was moved last minute to the National Press Club. Likewise, there were grumblings about the pool status the television networks bestowed on Bachmann – the same status as Ryan, thus ensuring her speech would get play on all the networks though only CNN chose to air it live in its entirety. (Interestingly, though her speech was originally only meant to air on the Tea Party Express website, it was Fox News that offered the pool coverage.) “Paul Ryan is giving the official Republican response,” House Majority Leader Eric Cantor told reporters on Capitol Hill on Monday. “Michele Bachmann, just as the other 534 members of the House and Senate, are going to have opinions as to the State of the Union.”

The two responses cap a budget-focused week for House Republicans – one nearly as schizophrenic as Tuesday’s performances. The House voted earlier Tuesday to give Ryan the power to slash what’s left of the 2011 budget; he has said he would like to see reductions of up to $60 billion. The conservative Republican Study Committee, meanwhile, put out a plan to cut $2.5 trillion over the next decade. Many of these cuts, though, are unrealistic and would never pass the Senate – such as the elimination of the National Endowment of the Arts and the privatization of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Amtrak. Privately, some GOP aides expressed annoyance that the RSC would step on the leadership’s message while giving Democrats cannon fodder with proposals they could cast as outside the mainstream. Ryan’s approach, while still tougher than Dems say they can stomach, would at least give the appropriators the power to pick which programs enacted over the last two years they’d like to keep. Democrats, meanwhile, have sat back and watched the intra-party battle with Schadenfreude. “The Republican disarray has reached epic proportions competing to see which wing of the party can appeal to the most extreme elements of their base as they fight over whether to privatize Social Security and dismantle Medicare or go even further,” said Jesse Ferguson, a spokesman for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

It was nearly four years ago, on Feb. 10, 2007, that Obama made his first presidential campaign speech. If this state of the union was the first speech of his reelection campaign, he’s clearly already looking to reclaim the center – and to rave reviews at the polls. Unless the GOP – both in Congress and on the 2012 field – unites, they risk ceding increasing ground to Obama and the Democrats. Two GOP state-of-the-union responses in 2012 would not bode well for them that November.

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  • Campaign Outsider

    Dead Blogging the State of the Union Address:

    http://bit.ly/dWS8CP

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, Jay. Did you win the drinking game? I missed live stuff and am catching up, but memo to Bachmann’s TP group: coordinate your cinematography with the media pool’s cameras, please. Or just share one, merci. Actually though, I appreciated Michele’s speech more than Paul Ryan’s …NOT for content / ideas but her honesty.
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    Ryan has considerable superpowers in setting House spending and he has proposed radical cuts in his Famous Roadmap That Not All R’s Are On Board With™, such as slashing Soc. Security and using supersaver coupons in place of Medicare. Still, he ironically sugarcoated spending cuts tonight; it’s ironic since IMHO his tone was much gloomier than the SOTU yet he glossed over the severity of his ideas (should he choose to impose them upon the House budget). Bachmann was more open in her disdain for Obama’s achievements and ideas. We know where she stands from her speech, Ryan less so. Jay, I hope you have some last second drinks and can sleep in late; let Adam handle morning reads / reactions.

  • http://merchantsdowneast.wordpress.com merchantsdowneast

    There is a major philosophical difference between Congressman Ryan and Congresswoman Bachman as
    well as a logical difference. Congressman Ryan has proposed a 99 page piece of legislation called “the roadmap” Basically the document could have been 5 pages long and have said the same thing. It simply is redundant and full of useless analogies. His main theme is to redo health care, social security, and taxes. It is a redo of government programs simply rearranging the deck chairs. There are no cuts to government outlined in his legislation. It does not address the deficit in any meaningful way. Ms. Bachman on the other hand laid out the deficit spending during years under both Republican and Democrat control. She is for reigning government in but where were the specific solutions. Congressman Ryan has some specific solution for problems. One can agree with his premise but not the actual solution.

  • Matt

    The president;s message was about progress and fixing the economy., the GOP message was about scoring political points and offering vague right-wing proposals that the White House could never accept; and the GOP knows that. I just wonder when voters might tire of the constant campaign that the Republicans are waging on the road to 2012.
    http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Assuming for a moment that the Tea Party is not a part of the Republican party why, in this age of balance, did the Left not have an opportunity to respond?

  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    While it’s not unusual for more than one opposition party member to have comments on SOTU, it is unusual for CNN to give time to Bachmann in this manner. CNN never said “we’ll have John Kerry respond to the SOTU and then, for a farther left perspective, let’s give Dennis Kucinich 15 minutes. And Kucinich also ran for president.

    Heck, if CNN is going to do this, why not give a left winger a chance to respond to Obama as well? Not all critiques of the president emanate from the right.

  • kbanginmotown

    Hear, hear!
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    “…and now, to rebut the right, TP, and the Third Way, CNN turns the mike over to Stuart Zechman…”

  • square1

    Republicans love to throw around numbers. When it comes to identifying actual programs to cut, they either can’t identify any or they are delusional about the budget impacts.

    Cutting the National Endowment for the Arts? That should free up about $1T over 10 years. Oh wait? It’s only between $1B and $2B? Hmmm. Maybe we got problems in America.

    The economic reality that America faces is this: We have cut income taxes below what is sustainable. In the short-to-medium term, the severe recession and high unemployment rates have also contributed to a significant revenue shortfall.

    Other than the rising costs of Medicare — which neither party has proposed a serious answer for — there is no large area of spending, other than defense, that Americans want to cut and that will significantly put a dent in the deficit. And the defense lobbyists are fighting tooth and nail against cuts there.

    If America wants to solve its fiscal problems the answer is simple. Enforce corporate taxation, return income taxes on the wealthiest Americans to historically appropriate rates, and do not give special income tax breaks for “capital gains.”

    Wealthy Americans may cry about this plan. But no credible economist will argue that it won’t put our financial house back in order without the need for the elderly to break out the catfood.

    Keynesianism works.

  • newfreedomblog

    As usual the swampland jounolisters either simply spin like a top for this President, or don’t get it.
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    “The GOP’s Two-Headed SOTU Response”

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    Actually it was a GOP “official” response, and a GOP Representative giving a “Tea Party response”. Sorry, it is not some two-headed monster Jay Newton-Small. You may come out of your political cave, there is nothing here which might eat you alive.
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    While the main thrust of the GOP and Tea Party responses are similar, there are vast differences. The size of government for one thing. We know over the past decade the GOP has grown government almost as much as their “big government solves everything”, Dem counter-parts. The Tea Party has pushed back on the GOP to recognize their conservative fiscal roots, and the fact our government is way too big.
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    What you heard last night is a return to fiscal responsibility, and to begin the process of not only chopping programs, but actually scaling back the size and scope of the Federal Government. Simply, the Tea Party calls this “limited government”.
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    While Obama himself acknowledged to my surprise that there are not only too many programs, but there are upwards of FIVE different programs or Departments doing the exact same thing. His salmon analogy was indeed funny, but also very sad at the same time. Sad that we have allowed our government to bloat to a completely un-manageable entity. Yes Jay Newton-Small, a government MONSTER.
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    Funny you did not write anything about Obama’s promises. Promises he has made for the past 2 years and he has done absolutely NOTHING. Promise to cut spending or veto bills will earmarks and pork. Promises to change the way the Education Department focuses on the problem of and fact that our children’s education continues to slip to a 9th position overall in the world despite the major increases to school budgets and spending.
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    The soaring rhetoric from our word-smith President who gives a great speech, but lacks any and all action to do something about it. This is what last night’s SOTU was all about. All about “just words”, and no action.

  • nflfoghorn

    Liars can’t look straight into the camera….

  • jsfox

    Well you have to admit Bachmann using Bush’s last budget as the point where spending went off thew rails was pretty priceless. Yes I know she called it Obama’s, but like everything out of this woman’s mouth not true.

  • deconstructiva

    I’ll bet Michele Bachmann’s camerapeople kept whispering and gesturing, “turn to the left, turn to the left, left, left, left…” …but that’s precisely the one thing she won’t do. She only turns right on everything.

  • deconstructiva

    “Enforce corporate taxation…”
    Closing corporate tax loopholes is critical. If corporations are given special rights over real people ala Citizens United then make ‘em all pay their fair share too. Those using S-corp status to manipulate rules need to be stopped. (Too bad Olbermann quit; he was good at exposing the S-corp gaming. That news was hard to find elsewhere in the media.)
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    And unlikely. These are the corporate R’s in charge of the House (for now).

  • nflfoghorn

    She wants to be president, I figure that. How that’ll happen is beyond my comprehension.

  • deconstructiva

    I’m not betting on it either but if she teams up with Palin for ’12 ticket then I’m happy anyway. Maybe Michele deliberately looked away from main camera to highlight facial features. Others have taken similar poses before…
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    Those damned FOX chryons….

  • garylk

    Yes, you are correct, just words. Words calling for legislative action. That legislative action is not going to come from the executive branch. It most likely won’t come from the “hell no” majority in the House either, but that’s the way the Constitution says it should be done.
    Article 2, Section 3:
    He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient;

  • lilaland

    The GOP guy looked just like a vampire. Besides that he just gave a history lesson on America before globalization. It sounded good going in but then when digested was reduced to the nutrition of junk food. He made valid points but with few real functional solutions. If we cut what he would like us to cut, we will end up with millions upon millions in horrific financial situations and that would effect business, sales and our economy in catastrophic ways. It would create a financial collapse, even with piled on tax cuts. What the GOP seems to be wanting to do is bring down the beast to rebuild it before it brings down its self. Well, there would be huge damage to millions upon millions upon millions of Americans if he brought down the beast now. It would collapse our nation. So, he sounded good but he gave no real solutions. He gave warning of disaster. It was fear based and that always leaves me cold.
    The woman made points I could demolish in debate. She gave very one sided information that could easily be destroyed as so narrow a truth as to be untrue, even if singularly accurate on some counts. The bigger picture is easy enough to explain that anyone in the middle would be able to see her falsehoods created out of cherry picked truths. She was stupid sounding to me. The GOP guy at least gave a rational and historical account of conservative beliefs, even if out dated in the massive global world we live in today.

  • newfreedomblog

    Fact Checking our “dear” Leaders speech.
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    WASHINGTON (AP) — The ledger did not appear to be adding up Tuesday night when President Barack Obama urged more spending on one hand and a spending freeze on the other.
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    Obama spoke ambitiously of putting money into roads, research, education, efficient cars, high-speed rail and other initiatives in his State of the Union speech. He pointed to the transportation and construction projects of the last two years and proposed “we redouble these efforts.” He coupled this with a call to “freeze annual domestic spending for the next five years.”
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    But Obama offered far more examples of where he would spend than where he would cut, and some of the areas he identified for savings are not certain to yield much if anything.
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    For example, he said he wants to eliminate “billions in taxpayer dollars we currently give to oil companies.” Yet he made a similar proposal last year that went nowhere. He sought $36.5 billion in tax increases on oil and gas companies over the next decade, but Congress largely ignored the request, even though Democrats were then in charge of both houses of Congress.
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    A look at some of Obama’s statements Tuesday night and how they compare with the facts:
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    OBAMA: Tackling the deficit “means further reducing health care costs, including programs like Medicare and Medicaid, which are the single biggest contributor to our long-term deficit. Health insurance reform will slow these rising costs, which is part of why nonpartisan economists have said that repealing the health care law would add a quarter of a trillion dollars to our deficit.”
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    THE FACTS: The idea that Obama’s health care law saves money for the government is based on some arguable assumptions.
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    To be sure, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has estimated the law will slightly reduce red ink over 10 years. But the office’s analysis assumes that steep cuts in Medicare spending, as called for in the law, will actually take place. Others in the government have concluded it is unrealistic to expect such savings from Medicare.
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    In recent years, for example, Congress has repeatedly overridden a law that would save the treasury billions by cutting deeply into Medicare pay for doctors. Just last month, the government once again put off the scheduled cuts for another year, at a cost of $19 billion. That money is being taken out of the health care overhaul. Congress has shown itself sensitive to pressure from seniors and their doctors, and there’s little reason to think that will change.
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    OBAMA: Vowed to veto any bills sent to him that include “earmarks,” pet spending provisions pushed by individual lawmakers. “Both parties in Congress should know this: If a bill comes to my desk with earmarks inside, I will veto it.”
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    THE FACTS: House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, has promised that no bill with earmarks will be sent to Obama in the first place. Republicans have taken the lead in battling earmarks while Obama signed plenty of earmark-laden spending bills when Democrats controlled both houses.
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    It’s a turnabout for the president; in early 2009, Obama sounded like an apologist for the practice: “Done right, earmarks have given legislators the opportunity to direct federal money to worthy projects that benefit people in their districts, and that’s why I’ve opposed their outright elimination,” he said then.
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    OBAMA: “I’m willing to look at other ideas to bring down costs, including one that Republicans suggested last year: medical malpractice reform to rein in frivolous lawsuits.”
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    THE FACTS: Republicans may be forgiven if this offer makes them feel like Charlie Brown running up to kick the football, only to have it pulled away, again.
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    Obama has expressed openness before to this prominent Republican proposal, but it has not come to much. It was one of several GOP ideas that were dropped or diminished in the health care law after Obama endorsed them in a televised bipartisan meeting at the height of the debate.
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    Republicans want federal action to limit jury awards in medical malpractice cases; what Obama appears to be offering, by supporting state efforts, falls short of that. The president has said he agrees that fear of being sued leads to unnecessary tests and procedures that drive up health care costs. So far the administration has only wanted to pay for pilot programs and studies.
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    Trial lawyers, major political donors to Democratic candidates, are strongly opposed to caps on jury awards. But the administration has been reluctant to support other approaches, such as the creation of specialized courts where expert judges, not juries, would decide malpractice cases.
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    OBAMA: Praised the “important progress” made by the bipartisan fiscal commission he created last year.
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    THE FACTS: The panel’s co-chairmen last month recommended a painful mix of spending cuts and tax increases, each of them unpopular with one constituency or another, including raising the Social Security retirement age, cutting future benefit increases, raising the gasoline tax and rolling back popular tax breaks like the mortgage interest deduction. But Obama has yet to sign on to any of the ideas, even though he promised when creating the panel that it would not be “one of those Washington gimmicks.”
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    Obama missed another chance Tuesday night to embrace the tough medicine proposed by the commission for bringing down the deficit. For example, the president said he wanted to “strengthen Social Security for future generations” — but ruled out slashing benefits or partially privatizing the program, and made no reference to raising the retirement age. That left listeners to guess how he plans to do anything to salvage the popular retirement program whose trust funds are expected to run out of money in 2037 without changes.
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    OBAMA: As testament to the fruits of his administration’s diplomatic efforts to control the spread of nuclear weapons, he said the Iranian government “faces tougher and tighter sanctions than ever before.”
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    THE FACTS: That is true, and it reflects Obama’s promise one year ago that Iran would face “growing consequences” if it failed to heed international demands to constrain its nuclear program. But what Obama didn’t say was that U.S. diplomacy has failed to persuade Tehran to negotiate over U.N. demands that it take steps to prove it is not on the path toward a bomb. Preliminary talks with Iran earlier this month broke off after the Iranians demanded U.S. sanctions be lifted.

  • jsfox

    You really want to play this game?

    Fact checking Ryan’s and Bachmann’s speech.

    Ryan: http://politicalcorrection.org/factcheck/201101250020

    Bachmann:
    http://politicalcorrection.org/factcheck/201101250021

  • allthingsinaname

    Gee I thought the tax break for the wealthy was going to fix our problems. I thought we unfettered them.
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    Here is their solution, if you can’t afford it, screw you, but hey I put 12 bucks in your pocket. Less services and those services you require will be fee based. In other words higher taxes.

  • lilaland

    I thought the GOP guy looked liked like a vampire and it would be real easy to make an add saying he wants to give more tax cuts to the rich that would bleed America dry.

  • Ivy_B

    Of course that tax break has contributed mightily to teh holy deficit, but that didn’t matter. The decrease in revenue because of that and the lack of employment has been a big problem. But the Rs want to say it’s all spend, spend, spend that caused it.
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    OK cut some of those defense dept. programs that the Sec. of Def doesn’t want?? Hold on there, can’t do that! Must continue to spend to prepare for the ground war in Europe. Oh, is that over? Well, never mind – we just need to build the equipment.

  • lilaland

    Excellent jsfox! too funny.

  • nflfoghorn

    Darn you to heck Decon! Harris and all…that tittilation…overwhelming ;)

  • nflfoghorn

    JSF, we just have to admit it: Republicans are far superior to Democrats. We’re evil, lousy, Godless liberals. And we crack “yo’ momma” jokes.

  • jlbrumb

    “Obama said the word “forward” five times and only addressed his record of the past two years once”

    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/01/26/the-gops-two-headed-sotu-response/#ixzz1C9dmlLS3

    Simply amazing that he would omit such accomplishments; I’m certain Biden will take up the slack.

  • paulejb

    ” By contrast Obama sounded conciliatory…”

    Wouldn’t that be the usual position of an opponent who had just been thrashed mightily?

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Ryan was lauded by the cable talking heads – and this is a sampling of from CNN, MSNBC and Fox from throughout the day — as the “establishment” responder, as “one of the smartest guys in Congress” and some one who could “turn the page from George W. Bush’s fiscal irresponsibility.”
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    This is because the media is terrible at reporting the news.
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    He was a loyal Bushie all throughout. He voted for Medicare Part D. He has a new set of talking points now that the president is a Democrat, and a Roadmap full of numbers that don’t add up. But there’s no evidence, based on his voting record, that he cares about the deficit.

  • paulejb

    Derek,

    Indeed. You people could have wheeled out Alan Grayson. That would have really topped off the evening. Sure he got defeated for re-election but he is the real face of the left in this country. He would have been the perfect choice.

  • allthingsinaname

    Attractive without substance? That depends on who is looking.

  • paulejb

    square1,

    “Keynesianism works.”

    And don’t we have the last two years to prove it. Well, maybe not.

  • deconstructiva

    Why would Jay be jealous?

  • paulejb

    nflfoghorn@12.2

    And they’re not even good jokes.

  • 3xfire3

    newfreedom,
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    Excellent Post
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    Notice that the liberal replies to your analysis are nothing but dribble. They really don’t like real facts, only liberal facts that they dream up.

  • 3xfire3

    lielaland,
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    “I thought the GOP guy looked liked like a vampire”
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    Talk about being an Ignorant, Partisan/Ideologue, you take the cake.
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    That has to be one of the dumbest comments I have ever heard.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    The Left is always left out of the dialog, in the MSM, but in this case it probably would have been out of place to offer any facts or actual policy in light of all the flowery metaphors that dominated the evening.

  • 3xfire3

    “Michele Bachmann is another attractive woman that Jay is jealous of.”
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    Jay is jealous of every attractive and intelligent woman especially if she is a Conservative.
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    Poor Jay has low self-esteem.

  • 3xfire3

    You nailed it.

  • Paul-no not that one

    May we have a link to the fact check please?

  • Ivy_B

    Paul, it was an AP article with no facts. I read it on the MSN home page and it was just as rusty pasted it. No facts, no links unlike the actual fact checks of Ryan.

  • 3xfire3

    Bachmann’s camera blunder?
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    Washington (CNN) – Was Rep. Michele Bachmann looking at the wrong camera during her Tea Party-sponsored rebuttal to President Obama Tuesday night?
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    Not exactly.
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    While it may have appeared that way to viewers watching on CNN, Bachmann was actually addressing the camera of the Tea Party Express, the group that had invited the congresswoman to deliver a response to the State of the Union. The feed from that camera was used to stream her remarks live on the organization’s web site.
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    Still it’s likely many more saw Bachmann’s remarks on CNN, where it appeared the three-term Minnesota Republican was looking slightly off screen. The camera CNN took to air was actually supplied by Fox, who shot the event on behalf of all the news networks as part of the rotating network pool coverage. Fox ran Bachmann’s speech at a later point Tuesday night on tape delay.
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    Bachmann’s delivery was subsequently mocked by a number of left leaning commentators and no less than David Axelrod, a top adviser to President Barack Obama, who afterwards in an interview with MSNBC said, “Am I looking at the right camera?”
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    How stupid partisans can be.
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    And the blind man said as he felt the tail of the elephant, “an elephant is a small snake like animal.”
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    When you make statements without the facts you prove your own stupidity and ignorance.

  • jsfox

    It is pretty damn easy to mock when so much of what she said was factually wrong.

  • lilaland

    “That has to be one of the dumbest comments I have ever heard.”

    lol, I must have scored a truth then, if you think so. ;)

    i hear about how the women are hot.. can i not comment on the looks of a man? That is a sexist double standard. The GOP guy did look like an old school vampire. That is not to say vampires can’t be sexy. However, he.. not so much. Maybe in a different setting.

  • paulejb

    lilaland,

    And here I thought that vampires were all the rage with you gals. Are you not a “Twilight” fan?

  • lilaland
  • paulejb

    deconstructiva,

    Michelle – Attractive, intelligent and successful.

    Jay – Writes for Time.

    How could she not be jealous?

  • lilaland

    No, I read all the books though. But I read everything, even poorly written teen romance books like Twilight to aware of the social climate. I like Anne Rice better. Her writing is elegant.

  • paulejb

    lilaland,

    I see. My mistake.

  • paulejb

    lilaland,

    Not quite sure what is “elegant” about vampires, but whatever floats your boat. I view them as rather musty and moldy, living underground and all. Where is the romance in that?

  • lilaland

    It was the nature of the word craft found in Anne Rices writing, which I expressed as elegant. She seeped and infused her blood drinkers in dark and sensual atmospheric erotica. She could make you shiver. The twilight books were simple and poorly written. however the idea of having such a primal dangerous deep thirst teamed with protective love.. the tension and conflict.. captured the imagination of many young girls. lol

    However, I have gone very off topic. :)

  • http://www.twitter.com/jnsmall Jay Newton-Small

    It was a teleprompter problem — the press club didn’t have the kind that goes in front of the camera so it looks like you’re looking at the audience while you read. They only have the kinds for speeches that go off to the side. And Bachmann didn’t memorize her speech, so she was forced to look to the side.
    JNS

  • mbaaar

    For Obama, this is about helping the country. For Republicans, this is about winning the next election. 30% of the nation will always vote Republican, 30% will always vote Democratic. 1/4th of the middle (10% of the whole) will lean left and 1/4th will lean right. What of the 20% that remains? Were they more swayed by Obama last night or by Ryan & Bachmann?

    When the specifics start rolling out, I think it will be clear that it’s Obama who won the night and who also will win the day.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jnsmall Jay Newton-Small

    Because on this blog and in my career being attractive is what I aspire to and has enormous relevance to what I write. Thanks for being oh-so-predictably sexist.

  • http://mg8696.wordpress.com garcia319

    Where was Joe Wilson?

  • 3xfire3

    “For Obama, this is about helping the country. For Republicans, this is about winning the next election. 30% of the nation will always vote Republican, 30% will always vote Democratic. 1/4th of the middle (10% of the whole) will lean left and 1/4th will lean right. What of the 20% that remains? Were they more swayed by Obama last night or by Ryan & Bachmann?”
    .
    Spoken like a true closed minded Partisan/Ideologue.
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    In answer to you question, “none of the above”. People will look at the records as they did in November. Obama and the Democrats have no where to hide.
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    It’s not enough to talk the talk, Obama and the Democrats must walk the walk.
    He has not done that yet.

  • shepherdwong

    How ’bout we just start calling it: the Republican job-killing budget plan.

  • 3xfire3

    Jay,
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    “Because on this blog and in my career being attractive is what I aspire to and has enormous relevance to what I write. Thanks for being oh-so-predictably sexist.”
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    If you showed even a tiny bit of balance in your writing maybe we would take you seriously.
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    You write negative stuff about Conservatives 95% of the time. I was going to say you write negative stuff about Liberals 5% of the time but it’s probably closer to 1% of the time.
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    Count the negative articles yourself. When there is no balance in the writings by a journalist than they are nothing but a partisan hack.
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    So far it appears you have chosen to be a political hack.

  • 3xfire3

    Here’s is an example of why people say Paul Ryan is one of the smartest guys in Washington.
    .

  • 3xfire3

    jsfox,
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    “It is pretty damn easy to mock when so much of what she said was factually wrong.” That’s your opinion not facts.
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    As I already said, when you make statements without the facts you prove your own stupidity and ignorance.

  • allthingsinaname

    “Jay, you are oh-so welcome. If those are your aspirations then you have a looooong way to go before your aspirations are met.”
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    Like wow man you are sooo. Cooool!

  • piper1

    Am I to understand that you are defending Rep. Bachmann’s use of the dreaded Teleprompter, and don’t find the use of said device to be remotely problematic?
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    Does the same understanding extend to the President?

  • http://www.twitter.com/jnsmall Jay Newton-Small

    Congrats, husein11, I am now IP banning you from this blog. When you rise to the level of discourse that is smart or relevant, you are welcome to petition to get back in.

  • paulejb

    lilaland@23

    Oh, I believe that all the blood has been squeezed out of this topic. When the discussion gets into whether the speaker was looking into the camera or not, it’s time to change the subject.

  • hippooath

    WOOT???? A troll got banned? About fricken time…

  • hippooath

    “Jay is jealous of every attractive and intelligent woman especially if she is a Conservative.
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    Poor Jay has low self-esteem.”
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    More of your Wisdom I see. I personally don’t give a hoot if someone is attractive if their message is wrong. As far as intelligent. I still remember how she wen’t around the media bus spreading easily verifiable information about how much Obamas trip to India would cost. And that was her least batsh!t moment.
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    I have a hunch that Jay do not aspire to be that smart.
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    Anyways – it requires a degree to become a journalist, it requires enough backwater votes to win a election. Just saying.

  • deconstructiva

    YES! Good call, Jay, thank you. There are only a tiny number of bad apples that need pruning …but once in a rare while it has to be done or this blog will go to hell, make TIME look bad, and push other good folks to leave. He was especially bad at insulting you (I went thru archives, won’t link here, but wow…). Hang in there.

  • gleason64

    What are “frienenenies”?

  • http://www.twitter.com/jnsmall Jay Newton-Small

    When did I go around the media bus talking about cost estimates for the India trip…? I haven’t been on the Obama media bus since the campaign — and they certainly weren’t planning trips to India back then.
    JNS

  • afguy

    Don’t bother, piper.
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    The irony of staunchly defending her use while criticizing Obama’s use of teleprompters is lost on this one…

  • hippooath

    JSN,
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    I apologize. It just got thrown upside down and out of the chain when you banned the IP. I was writing about Michele and her media tour talking about Obamas india trip cost. I apologize if it reads as if you did it. My response to 3x was in defense of you and how silly I find it that he consider attractiveness so important (and I’m sure I and others find you plenty attractive without making a point out of it every single time) and Michelles regular nutties isn’t exactly complimentary of her ‘intelligence’.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jnsmall Jay Newton-Small

    hippooath,
    No worries — I was just confused. Thanks for clarifying. And thanks very much for the defense!
    JNS

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Long overdue. This is the swine who said Joe was a self hating Joe longing for the next holocaust.

  • 3xfire3

    Jay,
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    “It was a teleprompter problem — the press club didn’t have the kind that goes in front of the camera so it looks like you’re looking at the audience while you read. They only have the kinds for speeches that go off to the side. And Bachmann didn’t memorize her speech, so she was forced to look to the side.
    JNS”
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    Jay you should get your facts correct. please read my post below which is a copy of my earlier post 19.
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    Bachmann’s Camera Blunder?
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    Washington (CNN) – Was Rep. Michele Bachmann looking at the wrong camera during her Tea Party-sponsored rebuttal to President Obama Tuesday night?
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    Not exactly.
    .

    While it may have appeared that way to viewers watching on CNN, Bachmann was actually addressing the camera of the Tea Party Express, the group that had invited the congresswoman to deliver a response to the State of the Union. The feed from that camera was used to stream her remarks live on the organization’s web site.
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    Still it’s likely many more saw Bachmann’s remarks on CNN, where it appeared the three-term Minnesota Republican was looking slightly off screen. The camera CNN took to air was actually supplied by Fox, who shot the event on behalf of all the news networks as part of the rotating network pool coverage. Fox ran Bachmann’s speech at a later point Tuesday night on tape delay.
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    Bachmann’s delivery was subsequently mocked by a number of left leaning commentators and no less than David Axelrod, a top adviser to President Barack Obama, who afterwards in an interview with MSNBC said, “Am I looking at the right camera?”
    .

  • sacredh

    “I’ll bet Michele Bachmann’s camerapeople kept whispering and gesturing, “turn to the left, turn to the left, left, left, left…”
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    Followed by:
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    No Michelle…your OTHER left.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Where do you buy the Obama lottery tickets to “win” the future? Is that like Obama bucks?
    .
    Oh, goody. We are banning people now?
    .
    What’s the criteria? The Sheriff is having a bad day? You don’t like what someone said about YOUR group. There are lots of offensive posters on here. You are going to ban them all? WHY, or WHY NOT?

  • sacredh

    Friends that are for all intents and purposes, enemies. The coworker that you helped to get a job that would stab you in the back to get yours would be an example. Generally, it’s just a relationship that could go either way depending on the circumstances.

  • sacredh

    Leaves a rose on the desk and tiptoes quietly out the door.

  • 3xfire3

    Jay
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    Good journalist admit when their wrong.
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    Too bad you chose to not follow that important principal.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Dang. Well done.

  • shepherdwong

    “Michele Bachmann is another attractive woman…”
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    Really hard to know. Perhaps if she didn’t use a trowel to put on her makeup.

  • rdw56

    Come up with a group that drives elections.

  • rdw56

    What of the 20% that remains?

    *****************************************************

    They swing right. Look at the newest cover of Time showing Obama as best buddies with Reagan. I’d have to imagine it sends a chill down the liberal spine. Yet the cover is shockingly superficial even for Time. Yet he was more upbeat than ever. He might even have referred to the USA as the greatest nation. Well that is Reaganesque. Depending on you being a total airhead. Reagan most certainly did not advocate high speed trains or any other effort by govt to pick the winners. Time and Obama would agree that on policy they agreed with Reagan on NOTHING. Yet they try to sell him as the next Reagan.

    They’re intellectual and ideological whores.

  • http://reformeducationnow.wordpress.com Ben Levine

    http://www.reformeducationnow.wordpress.com

    If Obama wants to win the future he will actually reform education, go beyond “Race to the Top”, and change the current system. That’s where the future lies. It is all about education.

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