Giuliani (Inadvertently) Defends Romney

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More on Rudy’s ruminations, via a National Review interview with hizzoner about his 2012 prospects. Am I the only one who sees a tension between these two paragraphs?

Other potential 2012 hopefuls, Giuliani says, will need to be pressed on health care. “Mitt has to explain RomneyCare — that’s going to be a big issue for him.” Moving away from mandates, both state and federal, is crucial, he says.

“That’s the real danger of Obamacare,” Giuliani says. “You’re going to take it from a little state like Massachusetts, where you’re making those decisions for a few million people, and move it to a whole, big office building in Washington to decide what constitutes one’s health insurance.”

Okay, so Giuliani doesn’t like Romneycare–he apparently thinks all mandates are bad. But in transitioning to an attack on the Affordable Care Act, Rudy also articulates the central argument Romney makes in defense of his own plan: that it’s okay to create a universal-care plan at the state level, where you have a limited population and plenty of local control, as opposed to a huge system designed at the federal level. Check out this passage from Scherer’s fine new story:

Romney also repeated the claim he has made since as far back as 2007: there is a big difference between a state-level mandate to purchase health insurance and a national one, which he considers both unconstitutional and unwise. “A one-size-fits-all national health care system is bound to fail,” he said in August 2007 at a speech before the Florida Medical Association. “It ignores the very dramatic differences between states and relies on the Washington bureaucracy to manage.”

Seems to me that Mitt may want to drop Rudy a thank-you note….

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  • allthingsinaname

    I would argue that both of them miss the point of a larger pool, cheaper rates and more coverage. How is Iowa going to compete with CA, FL, TX,?
    Is the Fed Gov. going to mandate that the States set up their own Health Plane? Is that Ok? Or is the argument one of deceit? I.E. that there will be no mandate for the States to set up a health care plan, so there will not be one?

  • bobell

    The PPACA allows a state to set up its own health plan providing it meets certain conditions. See
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    .http://coburn.senate.gov/public//index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=a0567377-17e7-4ade-aea7-afa96c3e9ac5 (i’s a pdf file; sorry I don’t know how to embed links.)
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    I’ll admit that the requirements for such a state plan are fairly stringent, but I have no doubt that the Mass. plan, for one would pass. So if a state doesn’t like straight Obamacare, it’s free to try to devise a substitute, and I would recommend that some of those state attorneys general trying to get the law declared unconsitutional instead get to work on an alternative plan for their own states. They might even be able to come up with one that doesn’t have an individual mandate.
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    Or is this another case where reality is just an annoyance?

  • http://milascurtains.wordpress.com milascurtains

    does anybody still hold Rudy accountable?
    On anything?

  • allthingsinaname

    Well I think they are arguing that the ACA is bad. They believe in the individual States should have it their way if the choose.
    They oppose the ACA so I presume then that there will be no Mandate for the States to devise their own plan. So no plan at all.

  • allthingsinaname

    Why do some people make a career out of running for office?
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    I get sick of looking at them.

  • Paul-no not that one

    I think of careers as money making enterprises.
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    “Rudy Giuliani, who dropped out on Wednesday after collecting a grand total of one delegate, reported raising $14.2 million during the last three months of 2007, and $59.2 million total. He had $16.6 million in the bank at the end of the year, but likely spent it on his ill-fated campaign in Florida.”
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    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/giulianis_59_mi.html

  • Ivy_B

    I agree with Paul. While there are rules about what campaign money can be spent for (note Christine O’Donnell), it can be spent for travel to campaign areas, staying in spiffy hotels, eating meals in good restaurants, giving campaign jobs to friends,…
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    Hmmm. Maybe I’ll form a PAC.

  • sacredh

    It’s should be interesting to watch all of the republican hopefuls point out how different they are from each other and then all agree on how much they support the goals of the Tea Party. God help the first one that screws up and orders French toast for breakfast.

  • diecash1

    God help the first one that screws up and orders French toast for breakfast.

    I believe they call that freedom toast!

  • Cliff

    Speaking of which, can we still call it “French kissing”?
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    Or are we on to Freedom Kissing?
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    Or is Freedom Kissing something completely different, like blowing the person’s mouth open with a Predator drone strike and waterboarding the tongue?

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    @3.2 Look at what happened to John Edwards in 2008, slammed for his $400 hair cut. I heard that candidates can even pay themselves a reasonable wage, but what O’Donnell did in using campaign contributions not to give herself a wage but to pay her bills was unethical and illegal.

  • kbanginmotown

    You may only call it “Freedom Kissing”, Cliff, it you use a “Freedom Tickler” afterwards… ;)

  • kbanginmotown

    Michael Crowley: Really? Do we have to endure twenty-focking-two (2F2) months of horse-race reporting? Really?
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    You are *almost* on the right track, reporting upon issues. Please take it a step further: When Mittens complains that state-level and federal-level health-care solutions are not scalable, please ask him why Greyhound Busses transport people from state to state efficiently. And when Mitt says that sports cars get you there faster, remind him that not everyone can afford a sports car.
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    Please ask him *specifically* why Romneycare does not scale up to the federal level. (Hint: When Mitt says “It just doesn’t”, that is not an acceptable answer.)
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    thx

  • newfreedomblog

    With Obamao’s numbers, unemployment still at 9+%, Bozo-the-Clown could run as a Republican and beat him.

  • Ivy_B

    I’m posting this here because it is the last thread even though it isn’t on topic.

    This is the Ted Koppel article about Reagan from today’s WaPo that I mentioned on Friday. He points out the role of the media in the problem as well.

    We in the American news media have a tendency to obsess over one crisis at a time, often to the exclusion of other important issues. Indeed, I can hardly overlook my own role in this. The title that ABC News gave to its nightly coverage seemed hyperbolic at first, but it proved frighteningly prescient: “America Held Hostage.” The story held America’s interest so tightly and for so long that our specials on ABC eventually morphed into a regular program – “Nightline.”

    Iran watched and learned. They realized that the fixations of the American media could lead to shifts in U.S. policy. They observed how the hostage crisis cost Carter a second term, and they would soon learn that what influenced one administration could be applied to another.

    He discusses the Iran / Contra affair and concludes -

    What Iran learned in those years – and we’re still absorbing the consequences of those lessons today – is that kidnapping and terrorism are useful weapons against the United States. Ultimately, Reagan’s broad-shouldered bravado was no more effective in dealing with Tehran than Carter’s mild-mannered diplomacy.

    We’ve still not found our way. Instead of taking military action against Iran, the United States has twice invaded Iran’s bitterest enemy, Iraq. And what Iran couldn’t do for itself, George W. Bush did for it: Saddam Hussein is gone, and Tehran’s influence in the Persian Gulf is greatly enhanced.

    The whole article is worth reading. He outlines how Iran has played us and the role of the media in facilitating it.

  • garylk

    I sort of agree. I’m just waiting to see which Bozo the GOP selects as their standard bearer.

  • Ivy_B

    erie, Of course I was joking, but as far as Edwards getting slammed for the haircut that was a silly press pile on. Remember Clinton stopping all air traffic at LAX because he was getting a haircut on the plane?

    What makes this kind of thing such an effective bit of drama is that most men don’t pay anything near $400 for a haircut. OTOH, most men don’t have a hair stylist come to where they are and cut their hair.

    But that’s not outrageous in some circles – Bieber’s stylist, Vanessa Price, revealed that the teen star spends about $750 every single time he has her come to cut his hair, states OMG! (via Life & Style). While that alone seems pricey for a haircut, Bieber reportedly gets his done every couple weeks when he is touring. And he is even going to her.

    My point was that there is a lot of spending that we don’t know anything about that is charged to campaign accounts. Do you think that Rudy pays for traveling first class hither and thither himself? It doesn’t take too much to figure out a way to use (in the words of Phila politician, now in jail, Vince Fumo) OPM (other people’s money.)

  • 53_3

    I really like Sarah…

  • michaelfury
  • garylk

    Palin/Bachmann in 2012.

  • spob

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/01/028192.php
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    will this grievous insult to Korean War Vets get the ink that it deserves? Will Swampland have a blog post on it? Let’s see if it does.
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    I don’t blame Obama for not knowing a ChiCom propaganda tune–I do blame him if he does nothing about this grievous insult.

  • kbanginmotown

    I’m having Bachmann-Palin-Overload. (apologies to BTO)

  • apr2563

    And, and, and, gasp, Michelle wore a red dress in support of the Commies, Sasha spoke in Chinese with Hu saying she was a little Commie, and those parts not immediately translated in the Hu/Obama press conference were secret messages to the commitariat.
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    Would Brietbart lie?

  • spob

    How dumb are you apr2563? In a state dinner hosted by the US, some Communist twit decides to play a tune that was the theme song for an anti-US propaganda film, and your response is that Michelle wore a red dress? What? You know, my guess is that you like seeing the struggles of our soldiers against ChiCom tyranny mocked as it was. But, oh, I cannot question your patriotism.
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    Let’s not forget, that those ChiCom bastards are the reason that 21 million North Koreans live in a hell-hole.

  • Paul-no not that one

    The Falun Gong supported Epoch Times reports, Breitbart picks up, Powerline amplifies, and wingnuts in comment sections disseminate.
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    I’ll give the republican this much, they are WAY better than Democrats at the game.

  • apr2563

    Guliani: A noun, a verb, 9/11.
    Romney: A noun, a verb, I’m thinking.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Kept wondering why the Sat. posts weren’t going anywhere and then I finally scrolled down to the Palin post, nearly 400 comments now.

    What was Zech saying again?

    “Are your editors really that unaware that even the most partisan, rabid, Palin-hating, TMZ-loving, low-information readers here are sick to f-ing death of this shiny object, man?”

  • Paul-no not that one

    I was wondering that too.
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    Figured others did what I did, take a break to do other things.
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    Speaking of which…anyone go to movies? We saw The King’s Speech and Black Swan this weekend. Both had smallish crowds.

  • oizydoizy

    Michael Crowley,

    I’m no fan of Giuliani (or Romney, for that matter), but I think you’re wrong to see a tension between those two paragraphs.

    It could be read as “Do you want to take the mistake of Romneycare, where it could only affect a few million people and is confined to the boundaries of one state, but on a national level?”

    Given that Republicans like to claim states’ rights to allow any subset to try a messed-up experiment, this would not be out of line with their general thinking.

    Yes, there was a little boilerplate demonization of Washington bureaucrats, but to Republicans, Massachusetts is a loaded word all by itself.

  • 53_3

    PNNTO:
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    That last part is the kicker I guess. II think it’s because we don’t have idiots…

  • 53_3

    There was a spill over there.
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    Took a while to clean up…

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    An actual movie theatre!? I’ve forgotten what that is.
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    Did just see Inception. Mediocre.

  • Paul-no not that one

    I dislike the yappy (aways older) theater patrons but there is no denying the experience of seeing a movie the way it was intended to be seen.
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    And agreed on Inception. Same for True Grit and The King’s Speech.
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    Black Swan was…something. Off to The Fighter on Tuesday.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Fitty that or -and this isn’t meant in a pejorative or non-pejorative way-Democrats don’t have the same discipline.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Agreed about the theatre experience, though I’m an arthouse guy. I like musty velvet curtains, mysterious stickiness on the linoleum, scant crowds full of misfits. The multiplex ruined everything. But with a small child and 20$ tickets, it’s hard for me to see a return anytime soon.
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    Was just alerted to the retirement of one of my favorite critics, the San Diego Reader’s Duncan Shepherd.
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    In his farewell column, he wrote:
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    “To be sure, a more thorough account of my alienation would have to spend some time, besides, on the emergent parallel world of videos and DVDs, the replacement of the movie palace with the boxy multiplex, the spread of computer graphics, the epidemic of cosmetic surgery, four disparate phenomena that can be yoked together in their unintended consequence of devaluing, deglamorizing, demystifying the movies.”
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    http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2010/nov/10/movie/

  • Paul-no not that one

    Your quoted paragraph is what my cuter half has listened to for over ten years. She’s very good at 1/2 listening to repeated rants.
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    You three should come visit Minneapolis (in the summer) and we can bring you to more than a few “velvet curtains, mysterious stickiness on the linoleum, scant crowds full of misfits” theaters.
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    Full disclosure–today was a multi (16?!) plex. But we wanted to see a movie before noon for boring NFL reasons and that was our closest -10 minute walk-option.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    You never know, Paul. I’ve had a few layovers in Minneapolis over the years.
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    When I was in Ames, my whole class drove up to see Lear performed at the Guthrie. Remains my favorite adap. to this day.

  • Paul-no not that one

    The Guthrie’s new theater is pretty stunning. And close.
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/31/arts/design/31prit.html

  • apr2563

    Out in DVD, a great movie few have seen, Winters Bone. Chilling but somehow, from the viewpoint of one character, an uplifting look at life in the meth world of the backwoods of the Ozarks.
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    Watched The Social Network. Snappy dialogue. Plot, true or not, meh.

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