Sarah Palin Descending

Can’t we please just stop talking/reading/writing about this woman–unless/until she actually does something? She’d fade away if those darned “lame-stream” media members would end their obsessive reporting about her.

What’s the kitten toll up to now?

Shockingly large. I stopped counting a long time ago – couldn’t keep up.

7.5 x 10 to the 98th power

Ignoring demagogues does not make them go away. How often do you read a story about Rush Limbaugh? I do not see news about him very often, but he continues to be enormously influential and top talk radio ratings year after year. Demagogues wither in the light, not the darkness.

Of course, there is the counter argument by the right in the past that “any publicity is GOOD publicity.”
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Even if you’re holding them up for criticism, you’re talking about them, and THAT’S a good thing.

Proof that you can fool some of the people all of the time.

Josh Marshall posted this the other day to explain why they write about Palin and he believes liberals should not just ignore.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/01/the_deal_with_palin.php?ref=fpblg

Ari Melber has proposed a Palin Free February via Twitter. Think it could catch on?

Pollster: “How much more do you hate that awful Sarah Palin today than yesterday?
Libs Geeesh….

But wait! she just wrote something on TwitterBook!

Quick, go write about it!

Why, Scherer, why?
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This is the political media equivalent of the prospect of Subway’s “Five Dollar Foot-long” jingle being played every minute of every day for the foreseeable future (at least until 2013), until merely the sound of the first bars drives listeners to confess whatever it is they imagine might be the reason for their interrogations.
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At this point, I can think of more than one minor dental surgery I’d rather experience than read another Sara Goddamn Palin piece about absolutely nothing having to do with our real-world lives.
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Look, she’s either a reality show star, or she’s an actual political figure. She’s either William Buckley or she’s Octomom.
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Either do a thorough job of serially examining and validating her claims about the reality of American history, life, economics, foreign policy and politics in the context of analyzing the potential and probable effects of her policy prescriptions on the nation’s problems and future, or just shut the crap up about this future Celebrity Jeopardy contestant.
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Are your editors really that unaware that even the most partisan, rabid, Palin-hating, TMZ-loving, low-information readers here are sick to f-ing death of this shiny object, man?
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For how long is this “story” –and our psyches– going to be flogged?
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Or, put another way, just how little respect for their audience do the editors at TIME.com have?

No, that’s like a crack addict saying he’s done with crack while swearing that his dealer is his best friend and he won’t leave his environment.

Have you heard Michele Bachmann went to NH?

Poll agrees with me = Will of the People
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Poll disagrees with me = BIAS!!

“No Feeding Thursday” worked out pretty well yesterday (thanks, foggy!).
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I’m up for a “Palin Free February”

Thx for sharing Miss Prissy’s middle name with us
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“Have you heard Michele Bachmann went to NH?”
What, Hell wasn’t on curfew?

Or, put another way, just how little respect for their audience do the editors at TIME.com have?

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They have no respect for you. They obsess about Sarah because they fear her. She represents everything they are against and they see how electric she is.

It’s rather amazing how well she’s held on to a constant beating without her own megaphone. This is an example I think of the advantage the GOP has in an incompetent, hyper-corrupt MSM. Sarah has been treated horribly but that’s what it takes. She’s got to learn to stand up to it and navigate shark infested waters. She’s very skilled, very talented but very raw.

I happen to think she is not going to run in 2012 but help develop the tea party into a more professional and effective operation so they nominate better candidates and pick smarter fights. With their grass roots support they can control the GOP and by definition the Congress.

It takes most candidates a number of years to develop the thick skin and the messaging machine needed to excel. She’s been a national figure less than 3 years and she is quite young. What normally happens when the MSM is this abusive the object of their obsession becomes a far more sympathetic figure especially if they are able to deflect it and remain pleasant personalities. So far Sarah has been a phenom. Not perfect but very good. She’s become quite wealthy and well educated on an array of topics. She’s only going to become more formidable.

Great, Motown, now I have to do it two Thursdays in a row? Yesterday was like Rick Sanchez getting tasered!

Epic rant, stuart!
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Michael: You’re enjoying this way too much.
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Also, suggested title for your (next) book: “Bachmann-Palin 2012: The Other B-P Disaster”

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-november-8-2005/moment-of-zen—sanchez-taser

LOL.
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You want me to have an aneurysm, don’t you?
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My bloody brain geysered out of my nostrils all over this keyboard –is that what you’re shooting for?
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LOL, good one, MS.

Limbaugh is on the air 3 hours a day about 40 weeks a year. Wither in the light? How much more light do you need? He is influencial because he is bright, funny and very articulate.

He is one of the people keeping the tea party so vibrant. He’s a major supporter and offsets most if not all of the snark from Time. He is one reason why the attempt to brand them as racist failed so miserably. You have a group of 25-35% of the electorate dedicated to very conservative fiscal policies. They have the power to drive the GOP. If they are smart they will force all GOP candidates to be aggressively fiscally conservative AND with such large majorites in the house drive legislation. Further, even if Obama win in 2012, he’s going to lost the Senate and all of the new Senators will be staunch fiscal conservatives. Look for Dorgan seat to go GOP and very possibly moderates like Lugar to be replaced. The GOP will get the Senate but more critically there will be at least 45 very conservative republicans.

To imply that people who don’t agree with your assessment are somehow scared of the subject of your assessment – well, you can just take the first part of assessment, then.

rdw56 – “She’s very skilled, very talented…”
What exactly is she talented at, hunting moose and telling lies?

“She’s only going to become more formidable.”
According to the latest polls, she is becoming irrelevant. She is even less popular that Russia or Socialism.

“[The Fat Slob on Oxy] is influencial because he is bright, funny and very articulate…. He’s a major [TP] supporter and offsets most if not all of the snark from Time. He is one reason why the attempt to brand them as racist failed so miserably”
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They bought all the copies of “Barack the Magic Negro” didn’t they?

Winner winner, KB!

Michael,

I think is was Chris Matthews last week who called Michele stupid. She was a lawyer specializing in taxation for the justice dept. She must be a real dope.

Unlike Palin who went from a relatively unknown govt of Alaska right to the Presidential campaign Michele has had a lot more time to develop the skills needed to deal with a harsh MSM. You really want to pick you fights carefully. Your party went after her hard but she proved a prolific fundraiser and solid campaigner. Her position with the tea party and national reputation make her one of the more powerful members of Congress and in just her 2nd term. She won’t be running in 2012 but she will be working to develop better candidates. At a minimum a better clearing process to keep mistakes like Delaware from repeating. I think it’s safe to say people like Rove and the RNC will be working more closely with her.

The MSM should be alarmed by the two. They are prolific fundraisers and media stars and are building a very real coalition.

Well she’s talented at attracting media attention and making money. She’s an excellent campaigner drawing crowds often larger than Obama and larger than McCain for sure. She is a very good speaker and a quick learner. She’s not just smart she’s instinctive and she’s naturally gregarious and just plain nice.

The latest polls don’t show or suggest irrelevance and she’s far more popular than Scoialism and the MSM. Her power will never come from the left or the center and likely the less popular on the left the more popular on the right.

Note everything the NYTs does is suspect but what matters is how popular she is with conservatives because conservatives control the GOP and right now the Tea Party is controlling the GOP. The DNC targeted Michele Backmann as their #1 target but she badly out raised them because she’s a national figure because if the tea party and Sarah Palin.

I’m not sure why they didn’t print how popular she is with conservatives aside from hiding it. The facr she is unpopular with 29% is probably wrong but even more important reflects they don’t want her to run for President instead stay with the tea party to keep the pressure on those running and serving now do the job we sent them to do.

That’s where the influence is. I want Boehner to cut spending. I want him to know if he doesn’t we’ll get someone else to do the job. That’s what the tea party is. We don’t want deals. We want them to work with Obama to cut spending and if he won’t then just pass budget resolutions freezing it at current levels. Right now Sen Ben Nelson knows if he doesn’t vote to cut spending he will have a well funded opponent in his primary who will promise to cut spending and if he manages to survive another well funded opponent in the general. Jim Webb and Bob Casey are in the same boat. The Tea Party isn’t going to target NY or CA. They are going to target PA and OH and LA and FL. Seats they can win.

Sarah Palin is a human ATM. Michele Backmann is becoming more powerful. It’s a national fundraising operation outside the GOP dedicated toward fiscal conservatism. Sarah Palin should not run in 2012 but she will be very influencial.

BTW: do you know despite the errors by the tea party the GOP has more house seats than at any time since Hoover?

Run Sarah Run!!!!

Palin isn’t scary to us, or the Democrats. She is only dangerous to the Republican establishment where she can sway who becomes the presidential candidate.

THAT is why she is still in the news and Republicans are hesitant to criticize her.

Your problem, rdw, is not with us Democrats. We love Sarah Palin and, with one or two exceptions, would rejoice at her being the Standard Bearer for the Republican Party come 2012. No, your problem is with the 30% of the Republicans who hate her, folks like my father who is itching to vote against Obama but would stay home if this nut was the GOP nominee. What has happened over the last wek, I think, is that the Republican establishment has gone from discomfort at thought of Palin being nominated to outright panic. Which is why I think we are finally going to see her fade ever so slowly from the scene. Although I look forward to her developing other “better candidates” like Christine O’donnell or, better yet, the nut job who ran against Gabrielle Giffords.

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Even if Palin’s sun is fast descending, though, there remains the question: around whom could the Republicans rally?? The Vegas board is offering 7-2 odds for Romney, but I just don’t get it. There do not seem to be any viable candidates out there, unless I am missing something.

Liberals are terrified of Palin. They loathe her to an even worse degree than GWB or Reagan. She represents everything they hate. She is about as anti-urban-liberal as it gets. Read the bile people like Joe and Chris Matthews put out. She drives them crazy.

It’s fascinating how this is working out. Every MSM outlet has been hammering her for almost 3 years and her core support remains very strong. She’s made at least $25M and has written 2 books and did a popular discovery series on Alaska. She was a major force in the last election.

Her polls among independents diped primarily because of a national tragedy in the form of a madman shooting 5 people and the MSM pins all of the blame on her. This is the sort of thing that has a short term negative effect but eventually exposes the MSM and liberals as frauds.

It’s a test she has to learn to weather and it’s something that takes time. She’s made some mistakes but generally has excellent instincts and now has to find a staff and broaden her team. Bush has his Rove.

To be influencial she only needs to drive the GOP. They own the house and the tea party is the most influencial faction. I think the budget cutting will be more successful than most and they’ll make real progress and in 2012 the tea party will be even smarter. Sarah and Michele will have a closer working relationship with Rove and the RNC with the RNC doing a better job scrubbing all of the candidate backgrounds.

BTW: If you did not know the GOP moderates like the tea party a lot less than liberals. The Tea party killed the moderates and will be going after every one who doesn’t have religion the next 18 months. There is not question the next group of GOP senatorial candidates will be the most fiscally conservative ever nominated

Republicans aren’t hesitant to criticize her. They’ve been very critical of her recently for playing the victim and complaining about the MSM. It’s the same thing we said about Obama when he called out Fox. Never punch down. Don’t use terms like ‘lamestream media’. It’s pointless. The polls for the MSM are below 20%. You don’t state the obvious. We know they suck. There’s no reason to repeat it.

Most conservatives love her on policy and love her obvious talents but want her to develop and mature politically. I think Obama would have done much better to wait 4 years to run. His foreign policy was an embarrasment and economic policy a disaster. He’s not talking tougher on diplomatic issues and he’s abandoned his entire economic team bringing on Clinton types.

Palin is actually in a better situation in terms of influence now than Obama had in the Senate. The Tea party gives her an opportunity Obama never had. One could argue he had opposition to Iraq as an issue however while that helped get him elected I think it going to harm his legacy. His campaign on defense and national security was radically different than his actual polices. He’s been more George than George.

But Palin has deficit reduction and an authentic political force 1/4 to 1/3 of the population sufficient to drive the GOP bus for several election cycles.

Pretty much the only thing you could seize upon to portray Rush as racist, but we all know you too well foggy. Racebaiting is your forte. As a listener of Rush from the very day he hit the airwaves, and having heard the “magic negro” on his show many times, I’d say it’s more a case of him rubbing your own racism in your face.
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Such a huge deal was made of B.O’s skin color in the runup to and into his presidency, but it seems to me it all came from the left. Everyone stood in wide wonder and admiration of the first black president, although I seem to remember him having a white mother, which in my mind makes him half white. Couldn’t have simply been just another American president, no, you lefties couldn’t possibly see it that way. How else could you play your race card against anyone and everyone who disageed with him and his policies?
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When you continually and predictably play that card over and over again, it begins to very much look like that’s simply all you’ve got.

Stick to the script, 2/3rds Pi. Limbaugh doesn’t just lie – he lies repeatedly and often to the point where people actually buy into his schtick. He race-baits to the hilt, stopping just short of being called flat-out racist.
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Examples? Here’s another: Lest you forget his brief tenure at the Worldwide Leader in Sports where he said Donovan McNabb wouldn’t get all this publicity if he were a white man?
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Somebody calls you out on your hypocrisy and you have the nerve to call ME a race-baiter?
Maybe you’re some other kind of baiter….

I think, is that the Republican establishment has gone from discomfort at thought of Palin being nominated to outright panic. Which is why I think we are finally going to see her fade ever so slowly from the scene. Although I look forward to her developing other “better candidates” like Christine O’donnell or, better yet, the nut job who ran against Gabrielle Giffords.

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You misread the situation. The GOP establishment has always feared Palin MORE than anyone else. There are I think 10 GOP seats up in 2010 and 2 are in play for the Dems. 8 will stay GOP but it doesn’t mean the incumbent will win the nomination. Lugar of IN has much to fear. If he compromises on any spending bills he will face well funded opposition. The D from ND is retiring and that’s certainly a GOP pickup. The candidate will be very fiscally conservative.

You are not going to see her fade. She makes far too much money. What Rove has already promised is closer cooperation. He was furious with what happened. The GOP badly under-estimated TP power. They get it. Both sides get it. It’s not hard. The GOP has to run on fiscal conservatism.

You are not appreciating what happened in 2010 and will repeat in 2012. Obama might win. But he’s not getting any house seats back. The realignment alone makes that all but impossible. He’s got 10 senate seats at risk. He’s already lost one. There will be at least 5 GOP pickups and all will be fiscal conservatives. There will be several GOP retirements such as on TX and the replacement will be more conservative. The key to this Senate isn’t that the GOP picked up 6 seats but they churned in far more conservative candidates. Steve Brown and the Maine twins will never be forced to take a hard vote on a bill because we have 43 very solid conservatives.

In a way Palin has already won. This isn’t GWBs GOP. This isn’t McCains GOP. This is Palins GOP. You are correct were she to run for Pres tomorrow she’d lose. If she runs in 2012 she won’t get the nomination. Fortunately she can read polls as well as anyone. But she would bring juice and drive the debate and that’s a good thing for my side.

“BTW: If you did not know the GOP moderates like the tea party a lot less than liberals…”
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Oh, yeah. With good reason.

I perceived, as the shape came nearer (sight tremendous and abhorred!) that it was the wretch whom I had created. I trembled with rage and horror, resolving to wait his approach, and then close with him in mortal combat. He approached; his countenance bespoke bitter anguish, combined with disdain and malignity, while its unearthly ugliness rendered it almost too horrible for human eyes.
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–Mary Shelley

Misplaced:

“BTW: If you did not know the GOP moderates like the tea party a lot less than liberals…”
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Oh, yeah. With good reason.

I perceived, as the shape came nearer (sight tremendous and abhorred!) that it was the wretch whom I had created. I trembled with rage and horror, resolving to wait his approach, and then close with him in mortal combat. He approached; his countenance bespoke bitter anguish, combined with disdain and malignity, while its unearthly ugliness rendered it almost too horrible for human eyes.
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Rdw, what planet do you live on???

Perhaps more importantly, what state do you vote in? With luck, it is one that is certifiably red or blue.

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Let’s focus, to take one example, on the phrase “generally has excellent instincts” shall we?? if there is one theme of the last week it is that her instincts are invariably awful. At a time that calls for dignified grace, she responds with belligerent defensiveness. When, in reality, the MSM was not accusing her of being cause of the gunman’s insanity (the TIME posters, who are as MSM as they get, I think we can agree, had made that charge; quite the contrary) she nevertheless issued her petulant statements, famously trying to making this tragedy all about her. She bewitches a certain percentage of the population, I’ll agree, but that percentage is ever shrinking, and her ability to convince Independents, a somewhat important quality for the candidate of a minority party, has all but disappeared. Her claim to fame was to be the governor of the easiest sate in the country to govern, and she quit. She has, at the end of the day, no credibility whatsoever.

I note, too, your statement, “the Tea Party killed the moderates”. Well, yes, they have. Which is why I continue to be more than a bit confident in the years ahead.

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Republicans aren’t hesitant to criticize her. They’ve been very critical of her recently for playing the victim and complaining about the MSM. It’s the same thing we said about Obama when he called out Fox. Never punch down. Don’t use terms like ‘lamestream media’. It’s pointless. The polls for the MSM are below 20%. You don’t state the obvious. We know they suck. There’s no reason to repeat it.
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That is rich!

Limbaugh doesn’t lie and if he did he’d not be the most influencial person in all of media.

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He didn’t say McNabb gets publicity because he’s black. He said the liberal press had over rated him because they’re so anxious to see a black QB succeed and in general we know liberals are afraid to criticize blacks. I’ve been a life long eagle fan and the consensus in Philly is Limbaugh was dead on. Those fools were putting him in the hall of fame. Did you see him the last 4 years? Did you see Shanahan take him out in the last two minutes?

As a rabid football fan I remember that well foggy, the man was (as usual) was absolutely correct. There were plenty of other quarterbacks in similar situations, but they were white, hence little or no publicity.
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The hypocrisy is all yours fog. I’ll put you in the same category as the Sharptons and Jacksons of the world. If racial tensions somehow miaculously disappeared tomorrow, they’d be out of a job you’d be left speechless. Like I said, it’s all you got.

Liberals are terrified of Sarah Palin? Hardly. Don’t mistake a deep dislike, a belief that she has no other purpose other than to advance Sarah Palin and cash in. The only reason she keeps the noise machine going on Presidential aspirations is that she knows the minute she stops is the minute she stops being relevant.

Now if she does decide to run most liberals I know would absolutely cheer!

It’s not often that a spot comes up for such a perfect quote from Mary Shelley. I’ll really be dazzled if you can find a spot for PBS w/in the next week.

You don’t even know Barak the magic negro was mocking while liberals do You?

That’s why he did it. To mock you fools. The title came from a column written by a black columnist for the LA Times pointing out white libs are comfortable with BO only because he’s essentially white himself. Rush new liberals would be outraged and they rose to the bait on que and upon finding out the origination and choosing between attacking the black columnist or shutting up they shut up.

You people are incapable of learning. The Tea Party just led the GOP to their largest house majority in 80 years despite the MSM calling them every vile name in the book. They did this grossly disorganized and inexperienced. It was their 1st election. Keep on mocking them, please.

“Are your editors really that unaware that even the most partisan, rabid, Palin-hating, TMZ-loving, low-information readers here are sick to f-ing death of this shiny object, man?”
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SZ, that was a low blow. I don’t attack you in the threads and call YOU names. What did I do to earn such a mean-spirited and vicious response? I suppose that next you’re going to say something about Centrists or Third Way Democrats that casts them in an unfavorable light. I expected better of you. I’m older than you and my experiences in life have infused me with a wisdom that mere mortals can only dream of. Please, let’s keep our discourse civil.
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but they were white, hence little or no publicity.

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I’m not so sure this is true. In any event Limbaughs essay was not about the amount of publicity but the nature of it. The MSM was giving the black QB the benefit of the doubt because they won’t criticize a black man especially as regards intelligence. The net result is McNabb was over-rated. IN fact he was over-rated as we now know for sure. The ironic thing here is his intelligence was never the primary issue. The primary issue was always his accuracy. His football IQ was an issue but no more or less than any other QB.

Where Donovan should have been celebrated is as a hard worker, a family man and a fantastic community guy. The man is an eagle scout.

If he told you to jump off a cliff….
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If he were so dead-on, as you say, ESPN wouldn’t have dumped him faster than five tons of dirt on a construction site.
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His comments were a good seven years ago. McNabb’s now in his mid-30s and the ‘Skins stink. Could it be the TEAM and not just the QB?

The only reason she keeps the noise machine going

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OK, so you think she’s paying Time to keep her front and center constantly?

“She was a lawyer specializing in taxation for the justice dept.”
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Facts WD40.

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“She was a member of the final graduating class of Oral Roberts’ law school, and was part of a group of faculty, staff, and students who moved the ORU law school to what is now Regent University.[8]

From 1988 to 1993, Bachmann was a U.S. Treasury Department attorney in the US Federal Tax Court located in St. Paul. According to Bachmann, she represented the Internal Revenue Service “in hundreds of cases”[9] (both civil and criminal) prosecuting people who underpaid or failed to pay their taxes.”
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She went to one of the most famously bad and biased law schools in America and, not getting into the top 10% could not get hired by a major law firm and, therefore, got one of the least desired government jobs in history: tax prosecutor.
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But, if going to Oral Roberts Law school makes you bright, then you will have to call the president brilliant for becoming president of the Harvard Law Review which goes to the best writer of the top 10% of their graduating class.

the TIME posters, who are as MSM as they get, I think we can agree, had made that charge; quite the contrary)

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HUh?

did they make that charge

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quite the contrary?

McNabb’s now in his mid-30s and the ‘Skins stink. Could it be the TEAM and not just the QB?

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McNabb just turned 34. Why did the Eagles trade a QB the MSM had going to the hall of fame? Why only a 2nd and 4th? He just turned 33 when many QBs have a few years in the tank.

I watched every game McNabb played. He was a good but not great QB. He had one stellar year when he and TO made magic, Westbrook was on that team, it wasn’t just TO and the D was better than the O.

Limbaugh was not criticizing McNabb. He was criticizing the media.

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Bonus points to anyone who knows that number

Sarah Palin is talented?
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Well, tell me what you think of this talent?
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All,righty then, rdw, we’ll do our best.

Great quote, shep.

Let’s face it, that wasn’t what Palin’s “talent” is all about.
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This part is where Tea Party guys admire her “talent”.
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Her thighs look a little bit muscular there. Maybe it’s just the way things look on TV which favors skinny people, but, I thought she had better legs than that back in 1984.

Just what spending does the tea party people want to cut they always talk about it but never say anything why dont some one tell me? I’d like to know.

“You people are incapable of learning. The Tea Party just led the GOP to their largest house majority in 80 years despite the MSM calling them every vile name in the book. They did this grossly disorganized and inexperienced. It was their 1st election. Keep on mocking them, please.”
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No, you’re suffering from delusions of grandeur. First, “The Tea Party” is merely the Republican base, too ashamed to admit their party loyalty. Second, they were “organized” and funded by the same billionaire Republicans who always use your ignorance, anger and authoritarian-following nature against you, to their own unspoken ends. Third, the number of Republicans elected to the House was only slightly higher than the number predicted historically in any off-year election with one-party control of Congress and the White House, even without all the Teatard drama queens, their automatic rifles, their racist hatred of the President, and their treasonous lies about the government.
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And don’t you worry one little bit about the mocking. I promise to try to not disappoint.

Liberals are terrified of Palin

That’s laughable. This is your problem rdw. You like to make big, blanket statements about large groups of people that have little to no actual truth to them. In the post right before yours, someone stated the very opposite.
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You are incapable of looking beyond “Liberals think…” Furthermore, you are utterly incapable of actually thinking for yourself. I’m still waiting for a response on how engineers are not also scientists.

If he were so dead-on, as you say, ESPN wouldn’t have dumped him faster than five tons of dirt on a construction site.

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It’s called political correctness. He was absolutely dead on. McNabb is seen as a good but still 2nd tier QB. They had him going to the hall of fame. He’s got no shot. Warner and Farve will go. Manning and Brady but no McNabb. He won’t come very close.

Third, the number of Republicans elected to the House was only slightly higher than the number predicted historically in any off-year election with one-party control of Congress and the White House

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Not even close. This was not predicted and it’s the worse election result in 80 years. This was a disaster. It’s not just the number of republicans but their nature. This is a very conservative group.

Second, they were “organized” and funded by the same billionaire Republicans who always use your ignorance, anger and authoritarian-following nature against you, to their own unspoken ends.

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This is true. It must really suck for you that I get a vote. Is there some kind of course I can take so I can be as smart as you? Democracy sucks sometimes doesn’t it?

WD40,
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Obama: Former US Senator from 5th most populated State.
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State Senator.
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Law professor at one of nation’s most prestigious schools (interestingly enough where Republican hero Milton Friedman spent his career teaching Economics) teaching constitutional law (also known as appellate law, the specialty for people going before the Supreme court).
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President of the Harvard Law review.
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How many people meet those qualifications?
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John McCain’s biggest claim to fame outside of the Senate was getting beaten up be Vietnamese people.
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If a white man had those credentials in 2008 and Obama was never born or never ran, that white man with those credentials would have, also, beat McCain/Palin in at least as much of a decisive vote.
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FWIW, my original favorite was John Edwards. As a tort lawyer, he would be the exact opposite of corporate lap dog GWB. But, Obama had better credentials and better speaking skills and won despite, not because of his race.

even without all the Teatard drama queens, their automatic rifles, their racist hatred of the President, and their treasonous lies about the government.

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You must have missed Obama’s speech on civility after the shootings. Or, do you, like me, think it was useless BS?

I looked at your post, npo, and “Avogadro’s Number” popped into my head. I googled it just to be sure.
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Damn. And I haven’t even renewed my 2001 Geek card…
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P.S. OK, npo. Did you check out yesterday’s xkcd? Enjoy:
http://www.xkcd.com/849/

2011 Geek Card, that is. 2001 Fat Fingers Typing Award…

Obama: Former US Senator from 5th most populated State.
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State Senator.
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Law professor at one of nation’s most prestigious schools (interestingly enough where Republican hero Milton Friedman spent his career teaching Economics) teaching constitutional law (also known as appellate law, the specialty for people going before the Supreme court).
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President of the Harvard Law review.
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How many people meet those qualifications?

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I find nothing impressive about any of these qualifications. President of the law review at an uber-pc college would be impressive if he actually wrote something himself for publication. He didn’t. He wasn’t a professor but a guest lecturer. He never wrote an exam, marked a paper or issued a grade. As Senator he did next to nothing except oppose Bush and then reverse every single policy he advocated as Senator.

What were Obama’s grades? How come we don’t know? Why do we know ever scrap of GWBs history but nothing of Obama? Was he an affirmative action override? Did he earn admission or was it granted only because he had a black father. Why don’t we know that? We have all sorts of aptitude test scores on Gore Bush and Kerry but why not Obama. I think the birther stuff is nonsense but why hasn’t a single MSM reporter looked at it? Bush had to release all of his military records when running. Kerry is 2,000 plus days after promising to do so yet still hasn’t.

We know from what happened his 1st two years Obama was unprepared for the office. It was the worst midterms in over 75 years and he’s set back liberal ideology on taxation and spending at least a generation if not forever. He’s already dumped his entire economic team. most of his WH staff and has changed many of his diplomatic policies including Israel after clearly failing. He botched GW badly and has pretty much alienated every leader in Europe.

sacredh:
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FT f-in’ W.

Why does the media fixate on Palin? Because she gets a reaction. All you have to do is post a column on Palin and it brings out the mad dog in the left.
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BTW how’s that, “we can be better” workin’ for ya? It’s like that hopey changey thing…not much substance.

I read XKCD religously. I had to try really hard to get laugh too loud at that one the other day for fear of coworkers giving me strange looks.

“This was not predicted and it’s the worse election result in 80 years.“

Gallup’s polling and modeling predicted a wave election for the Republicans in the House, projecting 60 or more seats gained by the GOP. This is what occurred. A wave election is one in which national issues and trends become strong enough that they affect local House races.
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…in any midterm election the party of the president can be expected to lose House seats, barring unusual circumstances…

http://2010central.gallup.com/

my original favorite was John Edwards. As a tort lawyer, he would be the exact opposite of corporate lap dog GWB.

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John Edward might have been the sleeziest man to ever run for office. He was an ambulance chaser and not all that talented except for the phony plea.

As a side note, I tease my wife that I want to name our next dog Avogadro. She always gives me this horrified look and then pretends to not know me because of how geeky I am at times.

Alaskan blogger Shannyn Moore would disagree about Sarah going away if left alone. Indeed, she has…
http://shannynmoore.wordpress.com/2009/11/02/sarah-palin-rogue-republican-or-democratic-operative/

“Is there some kind of course I can take so I can be as smart as you?”
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Sorry, I think it was Ron White who said “you can’t fix stupid.” Right-wing-authoritarian-following is worse than stupid. It makes you literally incapable of learning anything proscribed by your authority figures – you know, Rush, Sarah and FOX.

John McCain’s biggest claim to fame outside of the Senate was getting beaten up be Vietnamese people.

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Don’t let Joe Klein see this. John is now back in the fold after a 10-yr flirtation with the Presidency. He is authentically liberal and a talented Senator very good at building coalitions. He will be Obama’s nightmare in the Senate. He will be creating gane of 14 type compromises to get from 46 to 53 votes for legislation Obama opposes. it’s going to be a great Senate with only 47 seats but 10 democrats up for re-election in serious trouble. If Casey from PA supports a single spending increase he will be dumped. We already have the ND seat and Hutchinson in TX will be replaced by someone more conservative. Ben Nelson and Casey are just two examples of Senators hoping for as many photo opts with McCain as possible

“So Palin made $4.34 on each book or a total of $11,608,128.56. Not bad for a book she didn’t even write. She may have paid some of this out to her hack ghost writer. We don’t know how much, but $1,000,000 would be a lot for this kind of work. And shabby work it was!”
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http://andyrossagency.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/sarah-palin-book-income-update/
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“Tax Day Showed Obama’s Book Sales Bolstered His $5.5 Million Income ”
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Obama, a former law school instructor and U.S. senator, became a millionaire a few years ago through sales of his 1995 memoir “Dreams From My Father” and his 2006 political book, “The Audacity of Hope.” He earned about $4 million in royalties in 2007, the year he launched his presidential campaign.”
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/16/tax-day-showed-obamas-boo_n_540121.html
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The president has since written more books.
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In total book sales, he outsells Palin.
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So, if selling books is “talent” then the president even outdoes Palin in that regard, too.

“You must have missed Obama’s speech on civility after the shootings. Or, do you, like me, think it was useless BS?
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Actually, pretty much. Civility is a poor foil for massive propaganda machines manufacturing a constant stream of treasonous lies. I prefer decency and truth.

npo42,
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mole, molarity, moley moley moley mole. MOLE! etc.

This was not predicted when Congress passed HC and other legislation. IN fact they predicted the opposite. It was only in the weeks right before the election when polling got worse they realized their legislation was a disaster.

Well, that’s got to be hard for you. Conservatives like me out-number liberals 2 to 1. It’s got to suck knowing so many stupid people have votes and are just smart enough to find the voting booth.

“President of the law review at an uber-pc college would be impressive if he actually wrote something himself for publication. He didn’t. He wasn’t a professor but a guest lecturer.”
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Typical right wing lies.
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“But an unsigned — and previously unattributed — 1990 article unearthed by Politico offers a glimpse at Obama’s views on abortion policy and the law during his student days, and provides a rare addition to his body of work.

The six-page summary, tucked into the third volume of the year’s Harvard Law Review, considers the charged, if peripheral, question of whether fetuses should be able to file lawsuits against their mothers. Obama’s answer, like most courts’: No. He wrote approvingly of an Illinois Supreme Court ruling that the unborn cannot sue their mothers for negligence, and he suggested that allowing fetuses to sue would violate the mother’s rights and could, perversely, cause her to take more risks with her pregnancy.”
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12705.html
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“UC Law School statement: The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as “Senior Lecturer.” From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School’s Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.”
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http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/was_barack_obama_really_a_constitutional_law.html

Nice description of the left’s failed social programs.
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Let’s build some more “projects” for low income that become wastelands of crime, murder, and despair. A real and true Frankenstein.
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http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_1_how_public_housing.html

the number of Republicans elected to the House was only slightly higher than the number predicted historically in any off-year election with one-party control of Congress and the White Hous

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Lets make this clear You suggested this election followed historical patterns. That was my disagreement. It was NOT predicted base on historical results. This was MUCH WORSE. The predictions it was going to be as bad as it was only appeared when we got close to the election and it was clear how unpopular Obama’s policies were.

My count’s still bigger than yours

Oh, sacred! My cup of snarkasm runneth over!

“This was not predicted when Congress passed HC and other legislation. IN fact they predicted the opposite. It was only in the weeks right before the election when polling got worse they realized their legislation was a disaster.”
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Which of Limbaugh’s butt cheeks did this come out of?
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If you were on Swampland, all of the far right were ready for both houses to be taken and by an even larger majority in the house.

OK when she pulled out the flute why did my mind suddenly go Sachredh on me?

I guess most Americans don’t like a political celebrity that creates their own reality show, uses violent imagery and rhetoric, refuses to act appropriately in the wake of a deadly tragedy that involved her actions, and then tops if off by claiming some bizarre camaraderie with falsely accused Jews.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog

“Conservatives like me out-number liberals 2 to 1.”
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“Overall, 49% of Americans in 2009 identified as Democrats or said they were independent but leaned to the Democratic Party, while 41% identified as Republicans or were Republican-leaning independents.”
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http://bloggingblue.com/2010/02/02/democrats_vs_republicans/
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Wingnut rule: when losing a debate, make sht up.

OT but Stuart, did you reply back to Scherer at his MSM defense post? You love to analyze the media and are good at it AND Scherer gave you a gift-wrapped opportunity …but no reply? That’s unlike you. I would’ve guessed you’d grab the chance to duke it out with Scherer when he gives you your day in the sun. I’d enjoy reading your duel but only read and not reply there …nor will I since sorry to disagree but think Scherer should offer a day in the sun to other topics like job creation. C’mon reporters, give the rest of us our equal time too.
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Media coverage matters but what is being covered has to be a starting point and the reporters here are mostly silent about economics (which drove ’10 elections) …but NOT on Palin. When she creates jobs or not then let’s rant away about her. Actually, stuart, most of this reply is really aimed at Scherer and swampteam, not you …but am wondering why you’re mostly AWOL there, or did I miss something?

Actually psychiatric meltdown, I am not here for Palin.
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I am here to laugh at wingnuts.
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Before I saw RDW56, I was going to make a post of;
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“Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, wake me up when you have real news”
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Then I found wingnuts.
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It’s always open season for wingnut troll hunting.

“He was an ambulance chaser and not all that talented except for the phony plea.”
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You call all tort lawyers “ambulance chasers”.
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If it was your child who drowned in a faulty swimming pool, I know that the first person you would call for justice would be John Edwards.

“It’s got to suck knowing so many stupid people have votes and are just smart enough to find the voting booth.”
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Yes, it’s quite depressing actually. Not the voting, just the bottomless f@cking stupidity.

“He is authentically liberal and a talented Senator very good at building coalitions.”
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McCain is liberal?
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If he is so good at building coalitions, how come Mitch McConnell is minority leader and John Kyl is the minority whip?
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McCain explains away his inability to win over a leadership position due to his “being a maverick”.
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In reality, it seems that both parties think McCain is a crotchety old pain in the ass.

Psychiatric meltdown,
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Why did you link to a 2003 article with no studies involved about housing projects which neither party wishes to expand but rather replace with section 8 housing?
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Wingnut rule: when losing an argument, change the topic.

Have you heard Michele Bachmann went to NH?
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That was a mis-type. Should have read NIMH.

I do enjoy working the midnight shift. They always put me in a good mood. This 8″ of snow and single digits temperature…not so much.

kbanginmotown FTW. I know I’m going to be using that at some point.

Reposting just for you Michael.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/colbert-on-sarah-palin-more-journalistic-integrity-in-reporting-on-a-kardashianss-ass-implants-2011-1
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Stephen Colbert, apparently a regular watcher of Morning Joe, advises Mika Brzezinski on her ‘Palin fatigue.’ SUCK IT UP.

Mika, you need to buck up. I know you think this story has no purpose other than keeping Sarah Palin’s name in the headlines for another news cycle. I know you think she has nothing to offer the national dialogue and that her speeches are just coded talking points mixed in with words picked up at random from a thesaurus.

I know you think Sarah Palin is at best a self-promoting ignoramus and at worst a shameless media troll who will abuse any platform to deliver dog-whistle encouragement to a far right base that may include possible insurrectionists. I know you think her reality show was pathetically unstatesmanlike and at the same time I know you believe it also represents the pinnacle of her potential. And that her transparent desperation to be a celebrity so completely eclipsed her interest in public service so long ago that there would be more journalistic integrity in reporting on one of the lesser Kardashian’s ass implants.”

I know that when you arrive at the office each day you say a silent prayer that maybe, just maybe, Sarah Palin will at long last shut up for ten [bleep] minutes. I know because I can see it in your eyes. Well, guess what, Mika. That’s the gig.

Apr, I wonder about Mika. While she playfully chides Morning Joe at times, it’s blinding obvious who pulls the strings / calls the shots on that set. It ain’t her. She used to be a good straight reporter at CBS, both at Up to the Minute and doing DC reports. Alas, she was axed along with others before Couric arrived and it took awhile before she found a new gig. I don’t blame her for taking what she can get and wishing to stay employed but please try to stand up to Joe when he needs put in his place. The network brass shouldn’t object, or move elsewhere in the lineup, such as midday reports.
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Or hell, give Mika her own weekend show …okay, I’m really objecting to MSNBC’s “Lockup” weekend marathons. And O’Donnell, looking at you (Lawrence, not Christine), do a Friday show already, slacker. Keith and Rachel do. Like KO reads Thurber on Friday, LO can read someone too. Hunter Thompson would be a great choice.

Well, you are certainly right that the election was a disaster for the country, but we are a resilient people and will overcome.

Did not read the posts yet cause I just got home from work, but will. But I have to say the biggest reason her unfavorable rating should be going, is because when the going got tough, she quit. I mean come on, what a crazy choice. She will be forever compared with Nixon. Americans hate quitters.

“Have you heard Michele Bachmann went to NH?”
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Not that it matters in this increasingly trivial blog but she’s in Iowa.

decon: Mika is a tool. I would think her father would be embarrassed by her performance. As a woman, I am embarrassed by it.
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However, I loved Colberts brilliant response.

But an unsigned — and previously unattributed — 1990 article unearthed by Politico offers a glimpse at Obama’s views on abortion policy and the law during his student days,

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Ok lets review common sense. Unsigned means we don’t know who did it.

So you agree he was never more than a guest lecturer and never marked a paper or rendered a grade.

“Are your editors really that unaware that even the most partisan, rabid, Palin-hating, TMZ-loving, low-information readers here are sick to f-ing death of this shiny object, man?”
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Yes, at 110 comments and counting, I’m sure the awareness is growing by leaps and bounds.

Actually I don’t think book sales means that and if it did Obama still loses. I mean a President versus the Gov of a very small state? The nature of politics is such that both are very wealthy. Obama is embarrassed by it. Liberals have to hide it. None of his wealth came from private sector accomplishment, The books didn’t sell at all until he became a candidate.

Speaking of really, really big numbers, does anyone remember Google gave itself that name?

Fattypatrick. Nice to see u getting schooled by rdw. You come across as semi retarded. Btw..plz post that pic of ur self again claiming u r not fat and that the chics check u out..lol. Put the fork down at the all u can eat buffet and think before you post.

FYI. Only reason why I am name calling is because reading through the thread that’s all you do. Stick to facts and I won’t embaress you again. Plz post that pic again.

I agree ricardo4max! Don’t believe the polls. They’re lies. Lies, I tell you, lies!
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You and freeinpa and rusty and rdw and all the others should unite in their effort to keep her spirits up and undaunted by the obstacles placed in front of her by these libtards!
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Do not let her candle die…

You got me. McCain is authentically conservative.

Considering the hit job on Sarah Palin that the left’s political assassins and their willing accomplices in the liberal media have inflicted on Palin since 08, I am surprised that she is still standing. But no matter how hard they try, this gang just can’t keep this gal down. Lesser persons would have long ago wilted and slunk away, Sarah just keeps firing back.

If Barack Obama had ever been subjected to this type of criticism by the self identified elite media he would have melted like butter in the sun.

If he is so good at building coalitions, how come Mitch McConnell is minority leader and John Kyl is the minority whip?
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McCain explains away his inability to win over a leadership position due to his “being a maverick”.
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In reality, it seems that both parties think McCain is a crotchety old pain in the ass

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Quite true. He is a pain in the ass. The cool thing now is that McCain stay outside. He was looking to cut a deal but there is no deal.

Ok, rdw.
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You win. I’m so skeered I could pee my pants.
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Let her free* flag fly…
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*Not Jimi Hendrix…

patricksartor,

Barack Obama wrote his own books? Bill Ayers disagrees with that.

We know what Edwards was doing when his wife had cancer. We know why he was cut out of the will. John Edwards was/is a liberal.

patricksartor,

I wouldn’t call that reprobate, John Edwards, if my cesspool backed up. Well okay, maybe I would, if I thought that he would fall in.

patricksartor,

But just think, at one time, Maverick John McCain was the darling of the liberal media, especially with Chris {tingle up my leg} Matthews. McCain’s head must still be swimming over how they turned on him when he took on the boy wonder in 08.

Now McCain has read the “tea” leaves and he is a maverick no more.

I have no idea who wrote the books nor do I care. They did not sell unit they had POLITICAL value.

Dear old Chemistry!
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PVnRT is ROY.G.BIV’s dog.

Matt,

Certainly not with the self appointed elites who haunt the salons of the upper west side of New York and Georgetown. Sarah’s straight talk just gives those people the willies. They are so afraid that she might reveal them as the poseurs that they are, that the very mention of her name must give them the vapors.

Sarah Palin’s very existence puts the lie to their belief in their own superiority.

“As a listener of Rush from the very day he hit the airwaves, and having heard the “magic negro” on his show many times, I’d say it’s more a case of him rubbing your own racism in your face.”
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2/3rds, are you telling me that you know better than people in the Black community whether that song is offensive?
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That is relentlessly stupid. Hell, the writer of the original song “Puff the Magic Dragon” wanted Rush to stop using it because he was offended!

rdw56,

A few facts…

1. The average loss by the party in control of the White House in the first midterm elections is 26, not the 63 lost in the political bloodbath in 2010.

2. “We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it.”

Well, They passed it and now we know just what kind of dreck is in it.

3. John Edwards is the epitome of a liberal. Selfish, self righteous, devious, and dishonest.

4. McCain is old news. Once Marco Rubio gets up to speed in the Senate we will hear very little about John McCain.

5. Sarah Palin is like a drug to the liberal media. They just can’t give her up.

They did not sell unit they had POLITICAL value
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And you’re implying Palin’s books didn’t sell for the same reason? Or did she get all her sales BEFORE she was a candidate?

Considering the hit job on Sarah Palin that the left’s political assassins and their willing accomplices in the liberal media have inflicted on Palin since 08
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Well, they do keep quoting her…..

i’m in!

http://xnerg.blogspot.com/2011/01/for-one-thing-its-shortest-month-of.html

“So you agree he was never more than a guest lecturer and never marked a paper or rendered a grade.”
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At most universities today the grading is done by a graduate student.
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So, like a tenured professor – as he never sought tenure since he wished to work in government instead – he most likely did not correct the papers himself. But, from what is said, it appears as if he wrote a syllabus, was the sole lecturer and was marked on the schedule as the instructor.

“patricksartor,

Barack Obama wrote his own books? Bill Ayers disagrees with that.”
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Cute.
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Ayers could have been charged and convicted fifteen years before he met Obama. It’s the Illinois justice system, not Obama which is responsible for Ayers beign free.

“patricksartor,

I wouldn’t call that reprobate, John Edwards, if my cesspool backed up. Well okay, maybe I would, if I thought that he would fall in.”
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Then cross your fingers that you never end up injured due to negligence
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No, I have not, but far, far more people than you think have been and sue once in a lifetime since fraud is the rare exception in all forms of law and prosecution for fraud, not getting away with it, is the norm.

“But just think, at one time, Maverick John McCain was the darling of the liberal media…”
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We can go over for the millionth time study after study that shows that the media, owned and managed almost exclusively by conservatives, is not liberal, but, I would not know what TV journalists have to say.
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I don’t own a TV.
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I haven’t had one in my home since I was 18 in 1989.

First, I reply to name calling.
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Second, I said that I am not exactly Jaba the hut and that I do not have the hardest time with women the way somebody who looks like Rush Limbaugh would.
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http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/PatrickSartor/002.jpg
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http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/PatrickSartor/other/PA110050.jpg
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Anything else you would, chips?

OT but sad news: Keith Olbermann has just quit.

So, chips, let’s see what a stud you are and how women are banging down the door to see you.
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As a teenager a modeling agency took my picture as a potential model.
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No, I wasn’t selected, but, my family got a free set of prints since the agency paid for the photo shoot (worth about $100).
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Yes, I was thinner then.
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Yes, gym membership could do me some good as it could for a huge percent of Americans.
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Do you, actually, have anything to add?

Which party built the projects Patty? Think carefully you have a 50/50 chance of being correct.
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FYI, not that it will sink into your brain (still tryin’ to be better Patrick?) but, Maxine Waters wants to fully fund public housing and is against trying to privatize it. I’m sure that their are others…

Keith was getting out before the door could hit him in the @ss. Comcast wanted nothing to do with him.

ohiolibb,

Usually out of context with an ax to grind.

P.S. Too bad about Olbermann. He was the devil we knew.

Why sad. He can always go back to what he does best: being a second rate, pompous @ss, sports reporter.

Both.
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The first housing projects were started under FDR.
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They continued under Truman, including with an all Republican house and Senate.
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They continued under Eisenhower.
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They continued under Kennedy.
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They continued under Johnson.
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They continued under Nixon.
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They continued under Ford.
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They continued under Carter.
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They continued to be built under Reagan.
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Bush Sr decreased new housing projects.
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Clinton further decreased new housing projects, almost stopping them.
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Any other questions?

BTW: a program called HUD’s 1993 HOPE VI was a program to change housing projects to include multi-income housing and a leaning towards section 8.
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Who was in office in 1993?
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Democrat Bill Clinton.
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Who controlled the house in 1993?
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Democrats.
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Who controlled the Senate in 1993?
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Democrats.
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It includes a one strike your out policy for crime: if convicted of a felony, one can not get either a space in a housing project nor section 8 assistance.
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Bush Sr and Reagan didn’t want to remove housing projects nor remove the criminals from them. They wanted a bogeyman. The worst thing for a deceptive administration/regime is to lose their bogeyman. That means that they will have to create another one.

“1. The average loss by the party in control of the White House in the first midterm elections is 26, not the 63 lost in the political bloodbath in 2010.”
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Link? Outside facts?
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There were many factors as to why the predictions of the Republicans were 80 to 90 seat gains.

“2. “We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it.”"
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Another right wing lie.

“Well, They passed it and now we know just what kind of dreck is in it.”
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Yet it’s popularity is growing and growing.

“3. John Edwards is the epitome of a liberal. Selfish, self righteous, devious, and dishonest.”
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He’s been dishonest about one thing: his dick. He was also selfish about one thing: his dick.
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Outside of being a total dick to his wife, how has he been dishonest, devious or selfish?
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Also, how has he been as bad as Newt Gingrich was to all three of his wives (leaving one while she was dying of cancer as well)?

“4. McCain is old news. Once Marco Rubio gets up to speed in the Senate we will hear very little about John McCain.

5. Sarah Palin is like a drug to the liberal media. They just can’t give her up.”
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Actually the media is even more addicted to McCain than they are to Sarah Palin. MSM prefers McCain because he does things like answers questions, speaks in complete sentences and actually has a job rather than just being an unemployed ex-elected official.

“Considering the hit job on Sarah Palin that the left’s political assassins and their willing accomplices in the liberal media have inflicted on Palin since 08, I am surprised that she is still standing. But no matter how hard they try, this gang just can’t keep this gal down.”
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Sorry, an assassin is somebody who shoots somebody else, not a camera man who shots a picture of somebody shooting themselves in the foot over and over again.
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Considering how many completely false statements about death panels, 16,500 armed IRS agents which would easily fit into the realm of ramblings of a paranoid schizophrenic among many other times she shot herself in the foot, I can’t believe that she is standing there looking for more punishment.
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She’s like a masochist.
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Why would I not be too surprised if somebody like the National Enquirer breaks a creepy story about her and Todd going out to S&M clubs wearing leather?

1. What was so stupid about Rush’s NFL comment (something to the effect that liberals gave McNabb a free pass on his mistakes because they wanted to see a black quarterback succeed) is that black quarterbacks were no longer unusual in the NFL. It might have made sense 7 years earlier. So he showed an ignorance of football as well as being racially tone deaf. Too bad. I really thought he wanted to leave political commentary behind and become a full-time color commentator. He failed to cut it.
 
2. I haven’t listened in a while, but Rush’s show used to be full of racism, especially hateful stereotyping of Latinos as lazy, dumb, welfare cheats who hate to work.
 
I used to see lots of scowling old geezers in parking lots taking their lunch listening to Rush and getting all mean and macho behind the wheel of their SUVs, but not so much anymore. Maybe they’ve all retired and they’re listening at home.

The President was doing his job. Calming platitudes were called for under the situation.
 
That doesn’t change the fact that the right wing has brilliantly engineered a putsch that deprives Tuscon of its elected liberal representative. No surprise that, in a radicalized, gun-nut, meth-crazed state already famous for its advocacy of South Africa–style internal passports and official lies about beheadings by Latinos, where pol after pol used imagery of shooting the opponents, an unbalanced mentally ill loser looking for a target focused on those defined by his peers as the enemy. No surprise that the congresswoman’s entourage included at least one other Jew and a gay Latino.
 
If I were Jewish, I would be afraid to visit Arizona. Actually I was already afraid to visit Arizona, and I would never go there again now.

So, congratulations, brownshirts! You’ve made it clear that Jews, gays, Latinos, liberals are fair game to be gunned down. And let’s be clear on who really wants anybody, even a schizophrenic, to be able to buy arms in Arizona: one of the biggest industries is running guns to Mexican drug gangs, which Obama and Holder have been vigorously interdicting.
 
Interior North America is now like Central Asia: Northern Mexico completely lawless, Arizona in the hands of Jew-hating racist brownshirts, and Utah a crazed theocracy, with the whole inter-mountain west on the brink of outright rejection of federal authority. Quick, look at Afghanistan!
  
Of course, since the GOP legislature is about to gerrymander Giffords’s district out of existence, picking up one seat in Congress isn’t much of a putsch. But there are many other benefits: Parents sure won’t be taking their 9-year-old girls to see how the system works, and more people like me will assume politics is dangerous, useless, and hopeless.
 
Now the insanity is coming to Texas. I’m stuck here for as long as my father (with Alzheimer’s) is still alive, but after that I plan to find a way out of the USA entirely. Failing empire, corrupt and dying culture, fading economy, no hope.

You make a good point. Look at what they were able to do to Dan Quayle. That’s was only 20 years ago. They were able to trash him with little effort They’ve been at her all guns blazing (can I say that?) 24/7 for almost 3 years and she’s made a fortune off of them and heads the most powerful faction since the bull moose party.

Doesn’t it shock you a man so sleazy was able to get on your ticket? The MSM does you no favors. They decide your candidates not you.

The President was doing his job. Calming platitudes were called for under the situation.

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He was trying to save the MSM and his party more humiliation. He spoke the day after Fort Hood to ‘protect’ muslims. He waited 4 days this time and spoke because the attempt to blame the right wing had failed so miserably and the talk was about how pathetic krugman and the rest of the MSM are.

Patrick, check this out

Ask Not
January 22, 2011 7:54 A.M.
By John J. Miller

Conservative movieman John Nolte says Oliver Stone’s JFK is the best left-wing movie ever made:

Oliver Stone’s “JFK,” which lays the assassination of an American president at the feet of the American military, military contractors, the CIA, a group of anti-Castro homosexuals, the political Right, Lyndon Johnson — everyone except Oswald — is all about controlling the narrative. … As someone who has tried and mostly failed at making films and writing screenplays, to witness a master director working at a level few will ever reach and in the process perfectly harness his wild ambition and tame it into something hypnotically spellbinding, lucid and coherent, is a once in a generation occurrence. “JFK” is not only the best film of the 1990s, it is the single most impressive piece of conspiracy storytelling I have ever seen.

Here’s Nolte’s top-25 list of left-wing movies. (And here’s NR‘s list of the 25 best conservative movies of the last 25 years.)

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I like the film too and it does work as a film. But what I enjoy most is the drive among liberals to try to correct history. It’s pure misery for Oliver Stone to deal with the fact Kennedy was killed by a radical lefty. It’s also a joy to know that fact is so well known he could do 30 movies and only make it even more obvious. There is no doubt the film generated a ton of rememberance and review when in fact all doubts had been removed and all conspiracy theories debunked.

Resigning as governor was a smart move for her and Alaska. She’s become a very wealthy woman, actually the entire family shared the $8M for the Discovery channel series, and she’s built a solid political base. She’s made some mistakes but she’s very young. If she learns from them she will become a very formidable candidate.

Come now Patrick let’s not be so obvious. I said Conservatives outnumber liberals 2 to 1 and by Gallup polling this has been true for most of the last two decades.

As far as your numbers, and weak attempt at a bait and switch, they are off and by a lot. Recent Gallup polling has the parties within 2%. Not that party affiliation is as critical anyway. We just had a poll last November and now have the most conservative house in history. Further we have the most governorships in several decades and control the redistricting process that will move nearly a dozen electoral votes from blue states to red states.

You are in for a rough go my friend. While Dems still have the Senate you have at least 6 Senators frozen by the Tea Party and the lad from North Dakota already retired because of them. Ben Nelson is said to want to keep his job. You can bet he aims to please the tea party because they will defeat him otherwise. Of the 23 Democrat Senators at least 6 will lose their jobs and then a few of the 10 republicans will be replaced by more conservative republicans. It’s very likely we’ll have 53-55 GOP Senators in 2013 with 50 reliably conservative.

Keep an eye on Steve Brown. Liberals think they have that seat locked up but he’s doing well in polls. Moreover McConnell doesn’t need him for 40 votes to block legislation.

Also watch Lugar. He’s more moderate than the state and could be retired for someone more reliably conservative.

You really are not appreciating what’s happened. It isn’t just that republicans picked up 60+ seats. It’s that they’re so conservative.

I want to applaud Swampland for blanketing out any mention of the Todd Palin, sexual scandal rumors. It is admirable, especially on a site that does so much coverage of his wife.

So, what do you think he should have said? “Fight back, liberals! Form militias and take back Arizona from the brownshirts”? I notice you ignored the rest of my comments, probably because deep down you’re happy to see people you hate get shot.

The depth of 2/3rds arrogance is truly amazing, as is rdw56′s.
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These two and others actually think that they have the right to decide for someone else what is insulting or not!
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It is so imminently obvious what the real issue here is that we can remove race from the equation:
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Rush’s conduct and statements are offensive because they include gratuitous insults. The insults happen to be racial insults, but they are insults all the same.
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This is what these idiots are not getting:
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Literally, what freeinpa, 2/3rdsrocks, rdw56 and others are agitating for is the right to insult others without having to face any consequences.
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I could, for example, by their reasoning, make insulting comments about their wives and then demand that they STFU because I’ve decided it wasn’t an insult!
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How relentlessly stupid…

What he said was fine. That he waited 4 days is a disgrace. He spoke right after the Fort Hood incident hoping to ensure there wasn’t a backlash against Muslims. That’s another liberal myth but he was still correct in doing so.

The point is he’s a partisan President and on this the left badly misplayed their hand falsely accusing innocents of inciting the violence and doing so well before they had a shred of evidence. krugman wrote what I bet will be the most famous column he ever writes. It was entirely fact free and full of the hatred and bile they left says they oppose. It’s so cool that in 2011 Paul Krugman writes a column attacking the right and 50x’s as many people read it compared to his other columns because it’s been reprinted in so many places to mock him and expose the entire left.

This civility thing is beyond pathetic. It’s just more political correctness and so absurd it hasn’t lasted a news cycle.

McCain is old news. Once Marco Rubio gets up to speed in the Senate we will hear very little about John McCain

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A senator with the ability to develop small coalitions in a Senate this closely balanced can be very powerful and McCain does it better than anyone else. There are as many as a dozen democrats up for relection who would love to run on a record of cooperating with conservatives in 2012. People didn’t want him to be President but he’s still a widely respected figure and a valuable advocate. Tactically he’ll be very valuable to McConnell and Kyle as a broker to get Democratic votes especially from people like Nelson and Webb.

actually has a job rather than just being an unemployed ex-elected official.

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That’s correct. She’s unemployed. Unless you want to count that $8M she picked up working for the Discovery channel or the other $20M for books and appearances as well as her political fundraising for the tea party.

Patrick your condescension is delicious. Yeah, she can’t speak in complete sentences. She writes books that sell for $10M and op-eds for the WSJ and you?

You are why only 20% of the population will admit to being liberal. You are why George Clooney wants to work to change the image of the term liberal and pull it out of the toilet. GWB could not speak in complete sentences but he kicked your ass in 4 elections. Reagan was senile and he kicked your ass in 4 elections. But you’re the smart one.

Don’t change. You’ve got life nailed.

If you were on Swampland, all of the far right were ready for both houses to be taken and by an even larger majority in the house.

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I was on swampland. why would i go to swampland to get what the right was predicting? All of the sharp people on the right were well ahead of the MSM in predicting 40, and then 50 and then 60. Barone was right on target and warned Cook and the rest months before they moved up. I only people I knew who was higher was Dick Morris but he included caveats.

This was the worst mid-term election result in 80 years and it was not predicted by the MSM until it was close to the election. Obama and Bill Clinton said they had to pass HC to avoid losses.

Why are you trying to put a rose on this. It’s pathetic. Obama got his head handed to him and it’s actually worse than it looks. He didn’t just get republicans elected in record numbers he got conservatives.

patricksartor,

And a political assassin is one who sets out to destroy anyone who disagrees with him.

Some facts;

The administration wheeled out the “death panels” again and then almost immediately withdrew it.

The individual mandate was to be enforced by the IRS. They can’t enforce it without an increase in agents.

And you’re implying Palin’s books didn’t sell for the same reason? Or did she get all her sales BEFORE she was a candidate?

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I imply no such thing. Merely disputing the suggestion Obama is a writer. Politicians who write books get their sales from their celebrity status as politicians not as writers. Every dime of her $25M+ income the last 2 years is due to her political celebrity just as with Bill Clinton who all agree wrote a terrible book. His is considered the worst of all the Presidential memoirs.

patricksartor,

If the best I could do for a lawyer was a bottom feeding, shyster like John Edwards, I would deserve what was coming to me.

patricksartor,

All you need to know about the media is that 90% of them vote Democrat.

I always looked at puberty (for males, anyway) as a time when the cajoes descended…

2/3rds, are you telling me that you know better than people in the Black community whether that song is offensive?

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Are you kidding me? This can’t be a serious question. Of course it’s offensive. The entire point is to offend. Rush dedicates his entire 3 hours to offending liberals and if they’re black it included them. Your problem, is he’s damn good at it.

We have this thing called a 1st amendment. It’s free speech. He’s allowed to offend the black or any other community. But that doesn’t make him or anyone else racist. You at least have to admit he’s an equal opportunity offender. He doesn’t care what color the liberal comes in he aims to offend.

BTW: If you are suggesting blacks have some special right to decide what is racism and what isn’t but White can’t you are out of your friggin mind. That’s by definition racist you putz.

BTW2: Clarence Page wrote a really nice op-ed supporting Rush pointing out good parody had to meet 3 tests. It had to be creative. It had to have an element of truth and it had to be funny. Pages voted the song met all 3 tests. He also noted Rush was obviously baiting liberals to call him a racist. Clarence understood the trap. Rush got the title from a black columnist. Few white liberals would know this. Rush knew they’d be furious at him and rise to the bait. They always do. Ready, fire, aim. Then, after calling him a racist, for calling Obama the magic negro, Rush gets to read the column to them asking them, “If I am a racist, what is this LA Times columnist? ”

You have to admit, it’s a great trap. What white liberal is going to call a black man a racist? The Rev Farakund admits to being a racist and they won’t call him one.

BTW3: Page agreed the element of truth regarded the original column which was based on the claim the reason why white liberals liked Obama is because of his ‘whiteness.’ He was more like a Manhattan liberal living on the upper west side than anyone growing up in the black community.

Allow me to explain. The black columnist was trashing white liberals. Rush Limbaugh was trashing white liberals and Clarence Page was trashing white liberals.

2. I haven’t listened in a while, but Rush’s show used to be full of racism, especially hateful stereotyping of Latinos as lazy, dumb, welfare cheats who hate to work.

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Actually his show isn’t and was never racist. If it were I suspect the black hosts who often fill in for him would not. This is just a cheap political tactic to identify conservatives as racist. Just like the fascist and stupid claims. Part of your civility. GWB and Reagan killed you in 8 elections and they’re the dumb ones.

“If you are suggesting blacks have some special right to decide what is racism and what isn’t but White can’t you are out of your friggin mind.”
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Here is the offending quote, rdw, from 2/3rds himself:
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“As a listener of Rush from the very day he hit the airwaves, and having heard the “magic negro” on his show many times, I’d say it’s more a case of him rubbing your own racism in your face.”
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The fact is, the Black community almost universally regards that song as offensive. Almost universally, rdw.
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2/3rds, he is not offended.
2/3rds, in defending the insulting nature of the song, says it reflects on foghorn’s racism.
2/3rds, is implying therefore, that because foghorn and others (like me) take it as insulting, that is evidence that we are racist!
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Now, what do you see wrong with this?
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As for special rights, no. Your comment is ridiculous because there is the presence, in the song, of the word ‘Negro’ used in a derogatory sense.
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Therefore, even by your own admission, it is targeted at the Black community, and therefore, no “special” right to determine what is insulting and what is not is invoked at all.
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The simple fact is is that the Black community almost universally regards it as insulting – and they have every right to not only determine what is insulting, and to be insulted as well.
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Thus making clear my statement:that all you are really agitating for is the right to be gratuitously insulting and not having to suffer consequences for it.
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You have attempted to avoid the consequences by extrapolating my statement to mean that Whites can’t complain when they encounter racism, which is clearly false, because none of us have ever said that
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rdw, this isn’t even really about race. It’s about common civility and insults.

“If it were I suspect the black hosts who often fill in for him would not.”
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No, because they get paid very well.
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Hutch is such an individual, so is Rush’s chief programmer.
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When you have a lot of money, you can always find someone in any community to take positions they would not otherwise take.
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In this case, rdw, their only purpose is to salve the consciences of those people who think along those lines [Rush's audience, Hutch's congregation], and supply deniability.
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It’s called “cherry picking” and, obviously, since the Black community overwhelmingly considers Rush racist (or, at minimum, indulges in racial hatred). The gathering of a few highly paid oddballs smacks of something else – adjectives well known in the Black community…

Too bad. I really thought he wanted to leave political commentary behind and become a full-time color commentator. He failed to cut it.

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He never planned on leaving political commentary and he was hired by ESPN to do exactly the political/social commentary he did. He wasn’t fired he resigned because as he told ESPN before they hired them they would be getting political controversy and the blowback would be very different and far nastier than anything they’ve seen. He lives this stuff every day.

His commentary was true then and is true now. It was never about McNabb or his abilities it was about the press coverage inflating his skills. He was compared among the top 2 or 3 and mentioned as a future hall of famer. This was in 2003 his 5th year and his highest rating was 86. His career average then was under 80 and he finished at 79.6 in 2003. His rating this year was 77.1. He’s ranked 24 this year. His career rating of 85.7 would rank him 17th this year behind Cutler and ahead of Eli.

There is no question they had him vastly over-rated and he’s got no shot at the hall of fame.

I would suggest, rdw, that this approach you are using is one of the reasons why the GOP hasn’t got a chance in garnering the Black conservative vote.
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One of the astonishingly arrogant aspects about this whole thing is your determination to insult others without having to face the consequences. It’s not even about conservatism! Unfortunately, the GOP is paying the consequences. As to how:
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Keep in mind that these facts [non-GOP Black conservative votes] are on the ground despite your every argument…

The fact is, the Black community almost universally regards that song as offensive. Almost universally, rdw.

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So what?

They’re entitled to be offended. He’s entitled to offend them. They don’t have some special right or intellect to deem what is racist any more than anyone else.

The term ‘magic negro’ was coined by a black man to insult white liberals about their racism. If the black community wants to mis-interpret the tune they have that right. If they want to be offended and portray themselves as victims they have that right. If they really have a problem there’s a black LA Times columnist who created it and they can take it up with him. In fact, they, like Clarence Page, probably agree on the core point that white liberals like Obama because he’s so like them.

The bottom line here is all of the emotion is ginned up on false pretenses and serves to the benefit of Limbaugh and a certain black LA columnist. As Mr. Page explained, the parody was clever, it was truthful and it’s hilarious. He still plays it a lot and 20 years from now will probably still play it a lot.

You have to admit, Barak the Magic Negro lines up perfectly with Puff the magic dragon.

I would suggest, rdw, that this approach you are using is one of the reasons why the GOP hasn’t got a chance in garnering the Black conservative vote.

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Black conservatives agree with Limbaugh. Black liberals agree with Limbaugh. The column and the song insult white liberals. The song will have no bearing on the number of blacks who vote with conservatives. There isn’t anything in the song that is insulting to blacks.

BTW: I’d argue blacks have marginalized themselves anyway. Kerry got 92% of the black vote and still didn’t come close. As a voting bloc they’re not important in deciding the victor at the national level and that might be even more true in 2012 with so many blue states losing electoral votes.

No, because they get paid very well.
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Hutch is such an individual, so is Rush’s chief programmer.

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Cynical, condescending, insulting and wrong. His call screener is actually far more offending than that song. He does this hilarious bit of writing an op-ed and then reading it on-air with ‘white’ voice and a ‘black’ voice. It’s hilarious. No doubt a large majority of blacks and all liberals would be deeply insulted. That’s the point. They don’t like it? Too bad!

It’s as good as anything Colbert and Stewart do. I have no idea what Rush pays his call screener but I suspect it’s well into the 6 figures and 7 would not be a surprise.

As for special rights, no. Your comment is ridiculous because there is the presence, in the song, of the word ‘Negro’ used in a derogatory sense.
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Therefore, even by your own admission, it is targeted at the Black community, and therefore, no “special” right to determine what is insulting and what is not is invoked at all.

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It’s derogatory to white liberals. Not toward blacks. If a Black LA Times columnist can use the term “Barak the magic negro” in a headline and the body of the column so can everyone else. Moreover Rush used it in exactly the same contest. The racism in question is of liberal whites. If every black in America wants to get outraged at Rush that’s their right. He knew precisely the reaction he’d get. He predicted it and the usual suspects acted just as predicted right on cue. You are like trained seals.

CLARENCE PAGE: Obama Song Isn’t ‘Magic,’ But It’s True

Published Friday, May 11, 2007
Remember when media pundits were asking whether Sen. Barack Obama was “black enough” to attract black voters?

That was the old media narrative. The new one goes sort of like this: Maybe he’s too black.

Consider his conservative adversary Rush Limbaugh, who seems to take gleeful delight in reminding everyone of how black Obama is — and even more delight when the rest of us notice.

Back in mid-March, El Rushbo began to air a satirical song entitled, “Barack the Magic Negro.”

He didn’t make up the term. He hijacked it fair and square.

Los Angeles Times columnist David Ehrenstein employed the term — which dates back to the cinematic days before “Negroes” turned “black” — to describe Obama’s surprisingly soaring appeal to white voters.

Ehrenstein compared Obama’s rapid rise in the public imagination to some of the roles that actors like Sidney Poitier, Morgan Freeman or Will Smith have played: The black hero who arises magically to “assuage white guilt.”

Ehrenstein, who is black, described “white guilt” as “the minimal discomfort” that the white film characters feel about the role of slavery and racial segregation in American history.

Limbaugh, in the fashion of our times, chastised liberals for bringing up race in this fashion, then proceeded to air a song about it. Repeatedly. Sung to the tune of “Puff, the Magic Dragon” by its composer Paul Shanklin, imitating the Rev. Al Sharpton, the song goes in part like this:

“Barack the Magic Negro / lives in D.C./ The L.A. Times, they called him that/ ‘Cause he’s not authentic like me …”

If Limbaugh was looking for something to prove that he’s worth caring about, he struck pay dirt.

Predictably, the ever-alert watchdogs at the liberal Media Matters for America Web site immediately posted an indignant news alert and audio clip about the song. That’s the same liberal watchdog group that posted Don Imus’ “nappy headed hos” sound bite about the Rutgers women’s basketball team that led to the loss of his national radio show within a week.

The controversy took on new life last week after it was learned that threats had been made against Obama. He became the first presidential candidate to qualify for Secret Service protection besides Sen. Hillary Clinton, who as a former first lady never stopped having it. Predictably, critics speculated that Limbaugh’s song contributed to the hostile atmosphere that gave rise to the threats.

It was the earliest assignment of Secret Service protection since another black candidate, the Rev. Jesse Jackson, ran for president in 1984 and ’88. If anyone still needs evidence as to whether the Illinois Democrat is “black enough,” the bigot vote appears to have made up its mind.

Citing the large amount of wackos in the world, a lot of people on the Web and on talk radio, particularly listeners to Sharpton’s radio show, think Limbaugh should meet the same fate as Imus. I don’t.

I may not be in synch of Limbaugh’s politics, but the two cases are quite different.

As satire, Limbaugh’s song passes three critical tests that Imus’ offhanded comment flunked: (1) it’s funny; (2) it took at least half of a brain to think up; and (3) it contains a nugget of truth.

The song actually mocks Sharpton more than Obama. The flamboyant Harlem preacher and talk radio host comes off as a resentful old-school polarizer who doesn’t like to be upstaged by an upstart. Obama is portrayed in this light as rising star who refuses to let the few things that divide us Americans along lines of race and class get in the way of the many things that we share in common.

Funny thing: As a guy who builds audiences by inflaming political differences, Limbaugh has more in common with Sharpton than with Obama. Birds of a feather mock together.

Imus’ targets, by contrast, weren’t rich, famous, powerful or political. He’s entitled to free speech rights, but the First Amendment only protects you from government interference, not from losing sponsors or embarrassing your employer.

Limbaugh’s target is a wildly popular presidential candidate, which is precisely the sort of political expression that the First Amendment was written to protect. I may not agree with Limbaugh’s politics, but he has a right to express them.

Besides, if the potentates of political correctness come after Limbaugh from the left today, they’ll come after liberals tomorrow.

If voters think Obama can close that divide, they really do believe in magic

Engineers design and build. They don’t do R&D. They’re not researchers. It’s common sense.

I thought she had better legs than that back in 1984.

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Could be, but she’s still the best looking woman in politics.

rdw:
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On Vick:
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Rush was angry and went racial. He excoriated the media and everyone else for making Vick a media darling.
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The problem isn’t whether Vick was good or bad. Rush could have said to his co-commentators that he was overrated [a valid opinion], but instead of focusing on that, he focused on Vick’s race.
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There have been many media darlings supported by their respective source ethnic groups – even in the NFL.
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So why is it that Vick, at a time when the color barrier had finally broken down for quarterbacks, can’t be held up as a media darling.
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Nothing wrong with that. However, there is a lot wrong with the rationalizations.
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Rush Limbaugh was fairly bounced.. Good riddance…

It wasn’t vick. It was McNabb. It wasn’t about McNabb it was about the Press. He was the example of their overreaching political correctness. He was criticizing the media.

He wasn’t canned. He knew the people as ESPN quite well. He did his bit the day before in a preparatory round so all would know their roles. No one complained or even had a negative comment. Actually that Sunday there wasn’t any issues. It wasn’t until the national media got into it that the controversy erupted. What Rush had told the suits at ESPN before they hired him was that they would attract a different kind of criticism outside the sports world and it would get ugly at times. Limbaugh had a contract he could have forced them to honor but he voided it understanding they made the honest mistake of not understanding the nature of political media.

Limbaugh remains a huge fan of football and sits in the booth with Al Michaels when he does the Steelers games on whatever night he does the game now. He also has a permanent invitation to Rooneys Suits to watch games. He is very close friends with many of the announcers, owners and players.

Attempts to portray him as racist are poor partisan politics. Obama just spent more than a year beating on him and it only helped his ratings. His last contract was for $40M per with incentives to go higher. He is the most listened to media figure in America.

So what?
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You’re right. So what. But, unfortunately for the GOP, it means between four and seven million votes lost.
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0 for you, 1 for me
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They’re entitled to be offended. He’s entitled to offend them. They don’t have some special right or intellect to deem what is racist any more than anyone else.
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When it comes to slurs against them, they do indeed have the right to decide what is, and is not racist against them.
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0 for you, 2 for me
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“The term ‘magic negro’ was coined by a black man to insult white liberals about their racism.”
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It doesn’t make a difference. The words ‘magic negro’ are taken as offensive in the Black community. Are you going to actually tell them they don’t have the right to be offended? You??? The fact is, regardless of the source and meaning of the phrase, they have
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A big 0 for you, 3 for me.
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If the black community wants to mis-interpret the tune they have that right. If they want to be offended…
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You have that part right, but the rest of your statment:
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…and portray themselves as victims they have that right.
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Is merely an attempt by you to portray their being insulted as “victimizing themselves”. This is approaching the core of your underlying ignorance:
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Astonishingly enough, you are essentially demanding that they not be insulted, because you don’t think it’s insulting. You know that commercial with the basketball player on the couch with a torn up knee?
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You reflect the relentless tone-deafness of that doctor. No kidding. This is an exact correspondence!
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Oh, almost forgot: 0 for you, 4 for me
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If they really have a problem there’s a black LA Times columnist who created it and they can take it up with him.
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No, they can and should take it up with Rush. This is really just an attempt at deniability – get a Black man to say something considered offensive – and then hide behind him when their reactions come in. No difference with Hutch and others Rush hides his ignorance behind.
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Keep in mind that absolutely none of these individuals is liked in the Black community.
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When I talk to my family, friends, neighbors, their friends, it is they who have universally decided that Rush spouts racist bilge – and I agree. It’s not what that columnist did, it’s about what Rush does.
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0 for you, 5 for me
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“In fact, they, like Clarence Page, probably agree on the core point that white liberals like Obama because he’s so like them.
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Given that you clearly know nothing about the Black community, you are not likely to make the word “probably” stick. The operative is the word that they do not. There is an adjective that they do use, however. A big-big miss for you:
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0 for you, 6 for me
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And, I might add, Rush Limbaugh’s blasts of bigotry predate him, and the perception, as I alluded to before, has it’s roots even farther back.
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0 for you, 7 for me
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The bottom line here is all of the emotion is ginned up on false pretenses…
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bad doggie! bad!
The facts are that Rush Limbaugh is universally regarded as racist in the Black community. Got it? No “false pretenses”.
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0 for you,8 for me
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…and serves to the benefit of Limbaugh and a certain black LA columnist.
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Are you boasting about your “audience” again, rdw?.Put the damn thing back in your pants.
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As Mr. Page explained, the parody was clever, it was truthful and it’s hilarious. He still plays it a lot and 20 years from now will probably still play it a lot.
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Ok, in your face, too. But don’t expect many Black conservative votes to come your way.
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What you don’t seem to appreciate here is that approximately 40% of Black voters are conservative, yet they will not touch the GOP because of bilge like this.
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You have to admit, Barak the Magic Negro lines up perfectly with Puff the magic dragon.
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Which is why I had hoped that Puff the Magic Dragon was not public domain.
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So out of 8 comments by you, you have lost all. Every one of them.
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You are going to have to do better than that, rdw…

Hell, the writer of the original song “Puff the Magic Dragon” wanted Rush to stop using it because he was offended!

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Everyone associated with the song was enraged. Again, that was the point. It was designed to enrage and offend.

Ridiculous, rdw.
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Regardless of your claim, the fact remains that the Black community almost universally takes it as an insult.
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This, regardless of it’s “intended” meaning.
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And, further, as I’ve frequently alluded to, you, nor anyone else, has the right to tell them that they cannot be insulted!
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They are…

Perhaps. I would be interested to see polls of what Alaskans think of her resigning. Honestly I have not looked. I will predict that if she does run, the fact of her resigning will be the number one thing used against her and I think in the long run, it will stick.

“…$25M”
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I saw Palin’s numbers down at $10 Mil.
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Fox gives here a great deal of money, too, so, that is why everybody associates her with Australian Rupert Murdoch’s astroturf billionaires movement.

In response to rdw56 @ 29.
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This is too good to bury.
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“He predicted it and the usual suspects acted just as predicted right on cue.
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You admit it!
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So, by your own admission, he knew how they would react, and then, proceeded to regularly insult them anyway.
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You just walked into a wall. Didn’t you notice that you have made these points abundantly clear:
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1. His intent was to be insulting
2. He knew he would be
3. He’s hiding behind a Black man to avoid the consequences of his insulting behavior
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This is a gem, rdw. I now present to the rest of Swampland rdw56′s cherished ignorance.
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Wall, meet rdw56′s forehead…

The “fatty” stuff is really uncalled for. I am 280 lbs and 6’1″ and even at 50, if anyone were stupid enough to call me fat to my face, I could still pick them up over my head and throw them farther than they could jump. (Not that I would, I would laugh at them). It’s the kind of insults you hear school yard bullies throwing around. How old are you ilikechips?

Patrick, Tax law is quite demanding and complicated and she worked a highly desired position because tax lawyers make a fortune Barak Obama was an affirmative action overide and we don’t know what his marks were because the reporters working in the MSM, like at Time here, who turned over every rock looking for dirt on Bush haven’t found out a single fact on Obama he didn’t want them to know.

BTW: I love the fact they do this. Backmann is a star because of their attention. She was able to get several good positions for someone so junior and her affiliation with the tea party gives her prodigious fund raising totals. She was the #1 target of the DNC and she easily out funded them. She has more money than she needs and can thus help her ‘friends’. They then help her. If she chooses she will be a Senator in the not too distant future.

“Yeah, she can’t speak in complete sentences. She writes books that sell for $10M and op-eds for the WSJ and you?”
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It was ghost written.
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I have no fame to write a book with.
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I had one creative writing teacher in college who told me that I had great potential as a fiction writer and that the short story I wrote could, with a great deal of effort, get published in a very obscure literary magazine for a couple of hundred dollars if I was eager to go that route with my life. Having met professional writers, it is not exactly a free ride unless you are famous, of course and use a ghost writer.
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It is unlikely that Palin even writes her own tweets. There is a service which pitched me once about how to create your own online image where professional writers will create your facebook account with them doing all of the writing, create a myspace account with them doing all of the writing, a twitter account with them doing all of the writing and, yes, a twitter account with them doing all of the writing. And that was just for commercial real estate agents who, frankly, have little to discuss in many cases.
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So, she signed her name to a book and made $10M.
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WHAT AMAZING TALENT! A ghost writer wrote a book based upon interviewing her and SHE SIGNED HER NAME!

“As far as your numbers, and weak attempt at a bait and switch, they are off and by a lot. Recent Gallup polling has the parties within 2%.”
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You use a gallop poll for the words “liberal” and “conservative” which are abstract and the word “liberal’ had been dragged through the mud for decades and I use a gallop poll of Democrats vs Republicans, very tangible concepts and it is a “bait and switch”?
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Please.

Patrick,

you don’t know the half of it. The liberal idea of high rise projects was braindead and a disaster for the black community for two generations. In Philly all but one has been condemned and razed. The one that remains was emptied a decade ago. They were replaced stating in the 80s under Reagan with lower density row housing with very strict requirements on maintenance with the expectation the ‘renter’ would become the owner. For example if there was a conviction on drug dealing from the home eviction was automatic. The end result is the city has a vastly reduced role in public housing with only a fraction of the units and virtually each of those neighborhoods has much lower crime rates. Philly under Rendell and Street condemned many dozens of block of abandoned or semi-abandoned homes, returned them to buildable lots and in most cases turner them over to Temple University, Temple Hospital, LaSalle University and a number of other profit and non-profit entities. Temple was able to more than double the size of their campus and make it much safer.

“We just had a poll last November and now have the most conservative house in history.”
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Really?
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I am so glad that you agree with Democrats and Liberals/progressives that our founding fathers were very liberal as was Abe Lincoln.
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I do know that it is ridiculous, however, to say that the 1994 congress was not as or more conservative as this group of clowns.
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The poll I used was right now. So, as said above, voters already have buyers remorse.
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Just wait and see what will happen when the house has a showdown with the president just like in 1995.
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If one tenth of what the house wants to get done happens, just wait until the voters see highways falling apart and other things we need fail.
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2012 will be fun for Democrats.
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It’s too bad we have to wait until then.

Base data, rdw:
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If that is what it was designed for, then stop whining when it happens. Also, stop using the expected reaction by accusing others of being racist when in fact they are just reacting to offense.
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If you keep scratching a wound, it’s never heal, rdw…

This was in response to rdw’s ridiculous commentary at 9.25

The only “White Guilt” you are “assuaging” is your own, rdw56.
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Lookit all the Black men you are hiding behind…

“This civility thing is beyond pathetic. It’s just more political correctness and so absurd it hasn’t lasted a news cycle.”
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Isn’t that what vice president Aaron Burr said right before he shot Alexander Hamilton in New Jersey?
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As for Krugman, this is what he wrote:
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“I’ve had a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach ever since the final stages of the 2008 campaign. I remembered the upsurge in political hatred after Bill Clinton’s election in 1992 — an upsurge that culminated in the Oklahoma City bombing. And you could see, just by watching the crowds at McCain-Palin rallies, that it was ready to happen again. The Department of Homeland Security reached the same conclusion: In April 2009 an internal report warned that right-wing extremism was on the rise, with a growing potential for violence.”
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He cites terrorism experts as to why he has his POV.
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He continues:
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“It’s true that the shooter in Arizona appears to have been mentally troubled. But that doesn’t mean that his act can or should be treated as an isolated event, having nothing to do with the national climate.

Last spring Politico.com reported on a surge in threats against members of Congress, which were already up by 300 percent. A number of the people making those threats had a history of mental illness — but something about the current state of America has been causing far more disturbed people than before to act out their illness by threatening, or actually engaging in, political violence.”
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Now, compare this to right wing statements that Obama and/or Krugman want to charge Sarah Palin with murder?
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Obviously not. Palin can’t actually shoot a Mouse much less a person. She just barely knows which end of the gun the bullets come out.

“All you need to know about the media is that 90% of them vote Democrat.”
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Even if 90% of their bosses who edit their work vote Republican?
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You would think, if you think – something I am beginning to doubt about you – that this would cancel everything out.
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A liberal reporter comes in with a story.
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The conservative editor throws it in the garbage.
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A conservative reporter comes in with a conservative leaning story (one of very few conservatives, so this is rare) and it gets put on the air by the editor.

troubador,
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Thanks for bringing us up to, at least, an eighth grade level of dialog (up from third grade).
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Fat, old or ugly, I do suspect that these guys are far more insecure about their looks than I am.
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Unless it is about a woman deciding if she wants to date me or if I were – which I wouldn’t – auditioning for a role as a leading man in a movie or TV show, looks have nothing to do with most reality.
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James Gandolfini is a big guy and, even though the violent scenes were all staged and not a real boxing match, you wouldn’t want to try and jump him.
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He, also, has a very attractive wife.

“And a political assassin is one who sets out to destroy anyone who disagrees with him.”
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Assassin?
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I shoot people?
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I shoot them with words, I guess.
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That’s a little melodramatic, Paully.

“Some facts;

The administration wheeled out the “death panels” again and then almost immediately withdrew it.”
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No, the so-called “death panels” were “end of life care” discussions. They were not about euthanasia. They were about if the person wanted to go to a hospice to die in a more comfortable and, often, religious place.
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“End-of-life care requires a range of decisions, including questions of palliative care, patients’ right to self-determination (of treatment, life), medical experimentation, the ethics and efficacy of extraordinary or hazardous medical interventions, and the ethics and efficacy even of continued routine medical interventions. In addition, end-of-life often touches upon rationing and the allocation of resources in hospitals and national medical systems. Such decisions are informed both by technical, medical considerations, economic factors as well as bioethics. In addition, end-of-life treatments are subject to considerations of patient autonomy.”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-of-life_care
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Roman Catholics, among others, are vehemently opposed to Euthanasia, but this is totally unrelated to euthanasia.
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Cavalry Hospital is an example of a hospice with councilors, a far more pleasant looking environment, more visitation hours than most nursing homes and far more access to Roman Catholic priests and nuns than most nursing homes.
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This is what “end of life counceling” was about. Not asking patients to end their lfie.
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This is beyond misinterpretation. This was a lie.
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“IRS Expansion

March 30, 2010
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Q: Will the IRS hire 16,500 new agents to enforce the health care law?

A: No. The law requires the IRS mostly to hand out tax credits, not collect penalties. The claim of 16,500 new agents stems from a partisan analysis based on guesswork and false assumptions, and compounded by outright misrepresentation

The individual mandate was to be enforced by the IRS. They can’t enforce it without an increase in agents.”
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http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/irs-expansion/
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The truth of the IRS hiring some agents to stay, unarmed, in an office to process forms and hand out rebates is so different than “16,500 armed IRS agents forcing you to go to the doctor” that it, also, is not a misinterpretation. It is a lie.

Patrick, next time I’ll try to ratchet it up to at least high school.

Maybe it’s indicative of the mid set that causes people to worship Palin. She’s attractive, so it must mean she is qualified to be President.

Hey not only am I fat, I wear glasses and I am bald. I’m sure that means my opinions are suspect.

Paully,
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I use the word “liar” sparingly.
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When Bush made something like 17 requests from the CIA to locate WMD and, starting with the most reliable to the least reliable, the first sixteen came back with no evidence against Husein, using the seventeenth – the least reliable source – as the basis to attack Iraq I call a lie since it is not probable at all that Bush believed it to be true. Since he, not the congress, are the ones the CIA answered to at that time, he then took only that one report and used it to fool members of congress. That is lying.
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Reading “end of life care” and instead of going to google and finding the word “hospice” or reading further in the document to find the word “hospice” and, if you are unaware of the term, discovering that it is a place of palatinate care, more pleasant furniture, better landscaping, grief counselors for the dying and for their families, allowing more time for family and, in about half of the cases (selected by patients) more clergy present and telling people that this is similar to Nazis in concentration camps, you are a horrible liar.
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Among examples of times I find it easy and appropriate to refrain from using the word “liar” would be debating people like you.
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I have no reason at all to suspect that you are at all disingenuous much less dishonest in stating that you believe these things to be true.
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FWIW: I used the lesser term, disingenuous when I referred to the president claiming that the individual mandate is not a tax increase. It is a 2.5% income tax increase to all people pardoned in full if they buy health insurance. Since it was playing with words and not totally untrue, I prefer saying that he was disingenuous
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By that standard I have been a harsher critic of the president than I have been of you.

The resignation won’t be a factor. She resigned because her national celebrity was inviting all sorts of political shenanigans that were not productive for Palin or Alaska. The suggestion she might resign as President for greener pastures is pretty stupid. It’s something the left gloms onto but no rational voter will consider it a factor.

I use the word “liar” sparingly.
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When Bush made something like 17 requests from the CIA to locate WMD and, starting with the most reliable to the least reliable, the first sixteen came back with no evidence against Husein, using the seventeenth – the least reliable source – as the basis to attack Iraq I call a lie since it is not probable at all that Bush believed it to be true. Since he, not the congress, are the ones the CIA answered to at that time, he then took only that one report and used it to fool members of congress. That is lying.

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You accuse people of being a liar frequently and Bush did not lie. The CIA and the intelligence services of the UK stand by their pre-invasion intelligence. Tony Blair just spent 4 hours yesterday explaining so to an inquiry in the UK.

He didn’t fool members of Congress either. They had full and totally independent access to the same intelligence and voted overwhelmingly for invasion.

History is going to be hard for you Patrick. You can do your hack act here but not credible historian can copy you.

I was 21 when the movie came out in theaters.
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It was entertaining, but, like most self described liberal, moderates and progressives, I never accepted it as fact.
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Here is your flawed reasoning:
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Oliver Stone is self described liberal.
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Guy in his living room Patrick Sartor is a self described liberal.
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Hence Patrick Sartor is exactly the same as Oliver Stone.
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False.
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Take that reasoning back to yourself.
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Mel Gibson is a self described conservative.
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Guy in his living room RDW 56 is a self described conservative.
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Mel Gibson likes to threaten and beat up the women he is involved with when in a drunken rage.
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RDW, wouldn’t it be moronically unfair to say that you are drunk, insult Jewish cops with anti-Semitic remarks, knock up women you are not married to and beat her up?
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So, if you are not Mel Gibson, then I am not Oliver stone, Micheal Moore, Martin Sheen, Al Gore or anybody but myself.
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So, when did you stop beating your wife?
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I would say it has a lot to do with her unfavorable rating in national polls right now. You and I are decided on the issue so we will have to agree to disagree, but I know it will be used by people campaigning against her. Admittedly the electorate at large can have short memories but when they start to be constantly reminded of the fact, it is going to influence opinion.

“The CIA and the intelligence services of the UK stand by their pre-invasion intelligence.”
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“Downing Street memo
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The “Downing Street memo” (occasionally DSM, or the “Downing Street Minutes”), sometimes described by critics of the Iraq War as the “smoking gun memo”,[1] is the note of a secret 23 July 2002 meeting of senior British Labour government, defence and intelligence figures discussing the build-up to the war, which included direct reference to classified United States policy of the time. The name refers to 10 Downing Street, the residence of the British prime minister.

The memo recorded the head of the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) as expressing the view following his recent visit to Washington that “[George W.] Bush wanted to remove Saddam Hussein, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.” It also quoted Foreign Secretary Jack Straw as saying that it was clear that Bush had “made up his mind” to take military action but that “the case was thin”, and the Attorney-General Lord Goldsmith as warning that justifying the invasion on legal grounds would be difficult.

The contents of the memo were leaked to the UK press in 2005. Though its authenticity has never been seriously challenged, the British and American governments have stated that the contents do not accurately reflect their official policy positions at the time.”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_memo
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It is rarely talked about, but, even among allies, the MI-6, regarded as the second best intelligence agency in the world right behind the Israeli Mossad and, arguably, one step ahead of the CIA in quality does, in addition to recovering their own information spy on the US.
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The CIA, also, spies on the UK, too.
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MI-6 learned that both the MI-6 had discovered themselves and leaks in the CIA discovered that Bush lied.
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The Senate Intelligence committee only gets what the president orders them to get.
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Bush lied. Nearly a million died.
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History will be hard on your side, just as they have been about Vietnam, calling Martin Luther King a communist (Reagan, Buckley and Goldwater did this when King was alive), McCarthy, pre-World War II Isolationism and pre-New Deal economics.
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I gave W and all conservatives the benefit of the doubt on not understanding Econ 101, most of history and climate change rather than lying or even being disingenuous.
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Hence, like I said, I am reluctant to use the word “liar” until I convinced that the speaker knew what they were saying was false.

BTW: since I found your March quote saying that you didn’t believe the US had had a recession in almost 30 years from March, feel free to look and see how many (few, if any) times I called anything a lie besides WMD, death panels and 16,500 Armed IRS agents.

What are you babbling about?

You think you just broke some secret code do you? Barak the Magic Negro was absolutely, positively intended to piss off liberals. Each and every one of them. Black, White, Brown, Male, Female, those in transition, you name it Rush wanted to piss you off.

Here’s more dirt: He does it ALL THE TIME.

You think you have some right not to be offended?

And what black man was he hiding behind? He took full credit for it. Actually on behalf of white comedian Paul Shanklin who put it together. I believe Rush sent the column to Paul with notes suggesting it was great material for a parody of Obama and white liberals. Limbaugh did everything he could to get max publicity. Of many dozens of such parodies this has been by far the most popular.

(Shanklin does a great job imitating Obama’s voice.)

What Rush did that might be considered sneaky was when he 1st played it he didn’t say he got the title from a headline in the LA Times by a black columnist. He knew if white liberals thought he made it up they’d be totally enraged but if a black man made it up they’d keep their opinions to themselves. He was dead on which is why the reaction was so quick and loud and then died almost immediately.

Rush knew if Joe Klein read the newspaper column he’d either not comment or say something positive. Rush knew if Joe Klein heard Rush say the identical thing Joe Klein would be full of fury because that’s how politically correct white liberals roll. He set them up perfectly. When you read Clarence Page on the incident defending Rush he’s all but laughing at the trap.

BTW: The bit his black call screener does as his official Barak Critic because as a black man only he, and not Rush, can criticize Obama, is far, far more ‘insensitive’. I can’t remember his name but Rush made up the on-air name anyway. It’s hilarious. He reads the same essay in essentially two difference languages, white and black. The white seems to be a harvard grad and the black, a brother from the hood. If I remember it always starts with him addressing Obama with, “Yo Bro, What’s goin on here”. It’s hilarious and far, far more insulting and insensitive than the magic negro thing. But of course Rush knows people like Joe Klein won’t say a word because the Snerdly (just remembered his name) is black.

It’s just too perfect.

The Senate Intelligence committee only gets what the president orders them to get.

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Dead wrong. They have full oversight. They are a co-equal branch of gov.

he memo recorded the head of the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) as expressing the view following his recent visit to Washington that ”

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This is what we call gossip.

since I found your March quote saying that you didn’t believe t

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well where is it?

Patrick,

Blair testified Y E S T E R D A Y! He stands by the intelligence and the decision.

The words ‘magic negro’ are taken as offensive in the Black community

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So why wasn’t the LA Times and the columnist criticized?

What’s wrong with Clarence Page? Is he too stupid to know he was being victimized by the racist rush?

“you don’t know the half of it. The liberal idea of high rise projects was braindead and a disaster for the black community for two generations.”
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I spent my first 18 years in a very conservative NYC suburb which went for 50 years without a Democratic first selectman and then spent a dozen years working on paying my own tuition living in poor, mixed races communities in and around Boston reading the paper daily about half of that time before moving to Queens, the most ethnically diverse county in the United States and I don’t know both the conservative and black POV about projects?
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On a national level it was Clinton, not Reagan who forced all people convicted of a felony out of public housing and would not grant them a section 8 housing voucher. Maybe a Pennsylvania governor or a Philly mayor had put in such regulations before 1993, but, it was national under Clinton, not Reagan. I had neighbors who got thrown out of housing projects after they, their spouse, child or sibling got convicted of a crime. In Boston it was not the law until the federal government made it the law under Clinton in 1993.
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Prior to housing projects many poor people lived and paid rent in condemned buildings without heat or hot water and huge numbers of safety violations of all kinds.
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I agree that housing projects were not a complete solution since it concentrated huge numbers of impoverished and, often, hopeless people into extremely drab concrete buildings often very far from shopping of any kind and work opportunities.
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This is why section 8 vouchers are the strongest solution. This puts the 2% of the public qualified to receive such benefits in buildings where 90% or more are earning enough to get by or more.

As Mr. Page explained, the parody was clever, it was truthful and it’s hilarious. He still plays it a lot and 20 years from now will probably still play it a lot.
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Ok, in your face, too. But don’t expect many Black conservative votes to come your way.
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What you don’t seem to appreciate here is that approximately 40% of Black voters are conservative, yet they will not touch the GOP because of bilge like this.

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It’s not in my face it’s in the liberal face. I don’t think it’s intended to attract voters one way or the other but Kerry got 92% of the black vote and still lost by a wide margin. Conservative look for a color blind society. We seek to attract all voters based on conservative
principals. It’s worked well since 1980. Limbaugh is not a politician. He is an entertainer and he very good at it.

Keep in mind that absolutely none of these individuals is liked in the Black community.
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When I talk to my family, friends, neighbors, their friends, it is they who have universally decided that Rush spouts racist bilge – and I agree. It’s not what that columnist did, it’s about what Rush does.
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0 for you, 5 for me

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So you speak for the black community? And apparently you think they all share the same brain. That’s rather insulting isn’t it? All blacks think the same do they?

Conservatives treat blacks with a lot more respect than liberals.

“If the best I could do for a lawyer was a bottom feeding, shyster like John Edwards, I would deserve what was coming to me”
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Do you ask your accountant, your baby sitter or your mechanic about if they cheat on their wife or about their politics?
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If not, then you should not dislike Edwards’ work as an attorney.
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He made millions and millions of dollars in tort law and was never once accused of any ethical violations at all.
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I have no idea and no way of knowing if my mechanic cheats on his wife. I would presume not. I, also, have no way of knowing what his politics are. All I know is my mechanic is good at fixing my car and I do not know him on a first name basis.
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The same would happen if I needed a tort attorney.
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I’ve heard some people speak with envy about somebody who, due to negligence gets, say, $8 Million dollars for losing a leg.
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Like any reasonable person, I say you keep your $8 Million and I get to keep my legs and that is a better deal.
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I guess anti-tort Republicans themselves adore money so much that they would be happy to be dismembered for more money and, therefore, hate tort lawyers.

I have Z E R O guilt. My family came over from Ireland in the mid to early 1800′s probably as indentured servants. Never associated with slavery or racism in anyway. I grew up in West Philly and went to school with black kids who were not bused in. Middle class kids living in the same row homes. We’re the same people. We follow the same sports teams work for the same companies, making the same money, drink the same beer, etc.

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Tell me what month you first came here and I will find your own twisted illogical words to quote for you.
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You’ve insisted until about a week ago that there was no downturn after the 1987 stock market crash.

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How about this. Before you run at the mouth you have your facts. I never said there wasn’t a downturn after the 87 crash. I said there wasn’t a recession after the crash. I also said the recovery was quick.
rdw56
January 21, 2011
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I may not get back to you for another few hours, since this is not my number one priority, but, I will find a link to you stating that there had been no recessions at all for 30 years.
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BTW: What’s the difference between a downturn and a recession?
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It’s like the difference between the the rhinovirus and a cold: one is the technical term the other is the vernacular, but mean exactly the same thing.
patricksartor
January 21, 2011
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I’ve got the right day and subject, but will get back to you with your quote tomorrow unless somebody else wants to remind you of how you know absolutely nothing about economics.
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http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/15/israel-first/
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It could be even earlier or possibly later, but, you go into your whole hypothesis that Israel is following Reagan’s lead.
patricksartor
January 21, 2011
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Here it is!
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Patrick,

quite right, you know little of history or economics. Star Wars was successful because Gorby was terrified of it. We had better technology in our dolls than they had in their planes. Gorby understood there was no way socialism could compete with capitalism and our military R&D would eventually enable us to crush Russia.

As far as Reagan the greatest economic boom in US history started in 1981 and lasted almost 30 years. Lowering marginal tax rates from 70% to 28% was one of the greatest economic and legislative acheivements of all time.”

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/28/israel-today-and-so-long-for-now/#ixzz1BiZpKSHV
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When you said this, I began to imagine that I was communicating with a 16 year old with ADD.

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/01/21/volcker-out-immelt-in/#ixzz1BnifJDoG”
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You’re ADD is too bad to look back two posts when I asked you to hang on a couple of hours?

Recording the head of MI-6 making statements about official business is “gossip”
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I guess you would call both Watergate and the Monica Lewinski case “gossip” too since one involved tapes and the other lacked photographs of Monica under the desk.

Blair did not say that MI-6 supported his decision.
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So, we have Blair saying that Blair made a good decision.
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Useless.

“Is he too stupid to know he was being victimized by the racist rush?”
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Black people, just like Irish and every other group under the sun, do not share one, common brain or one common opinion.
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If 99.999% of all people of a group finds something offensive but one does not, it doesn’t make it inoffensive.
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Obviously there are two very disturbing things about “Barack the Magic Negro”.
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First, the overwhelming majority of the black community would find it offensive.
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Second, Rushy is so pathetic that, instead of guests he had to play with imaginary friends.

Considering how as of March knew nothing about what a recession was, I would, if I were you, provide a link to prove your point.
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The CIA is, like the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Coast Guard, the State Department, the FBI, the DEA among many others a part of the executive branch of government, not a part of the legislature.

“Conservatives treat blacks with a lot more respect than liberals.”
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FTW!
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LOL!
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That’s hilarious.

Patrick, this isn’t hard.

You said the crash of 87 caused a recession. It did not. The crash itself was very short lived. Reagan did set off a nearly 30 year boom. The short recession in 90-91 was the shortest in history and caused by a S&L crises caused by federal regulators. When the boom resumed under the same policies as under Reagan it lasted until 2001 when the Clinton asset bubble exploded and 9/11 happened but this recession was even shorter. Most economist credit the dramatic remaking of the tax code in the 80′s along with the deregulation and free tax policies of Reagan for the entire boom period that started in 1981 and lasted thru 2007.

In fact this recovery might be credited as an extension since Obama’s stimulus has been ended and he’s done virtually nothing on taxes. We are still living in Reagans economy. Bush, Clinton, Bush and now Obama have played at the fringes. Obama agrees with this and that’s why he described him as transformation. Well that and defeating socialism.

“I have Z E R O guilt.”
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Well, you need to hide behind black people to defend Limbaugh’s imaginary friend, so, for that instance, you seem to and should feel guilty.
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I have no idea what the rest of your life is like, but, I promise you, if you have black coworkers or friends, incredibly few of them will like Rushy’s imaginary friend.

I didn’t say there wasn’t a recession you are by definition making that up and this bush lied meme is boring as sin and utterly useless. It’s a political theme. It will have no bearing on history. it’s for hacks, about hacks by hacks, not historians

If 99.999% of all people of a group finds something offensive but one does not, it doesn’t make it inoffensive.
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Obviously there are two very disturbing things about “Barack the Magic Negro”.
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First, the overwhelming majority of the black community would find it offensive.

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And the problem with that is?

Rush insults liberals every day. He does it throughout his show. If you are a black you are probably liberal and will be insulted. That’s the idea. Is that racist?
NOOOOO!

Here’s a graph from January of 1981 through December 2010.
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http://www.miseryindex.us/urbymonth.asp?StartYear=1981-01&EndYear=2010-12&submit1=Create+Report
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The dotcom bubble burst had almost no impact on unemployment, but, the recession of 1992 had unemployment rates at 7.4% during the election.
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First, the recovery from the 1987 stock crash was fast.
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Second, Clinton turned 7.4% unemployment down to 3.9%
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Third, the lowest Reagan ever got unemployment was down to 5.3%
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Average unemployment under Reagan was over 6.5%
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Recessions involve GDP.
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It would be a separate graph.

Here is the graph of the previous 30 years and 1951 to 1981 looks much better than 1981 to December 2010 for unemployment.
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http://www.miseryindex.us/urbymonth.asp?StartYear=1951-01&EndYear=1981-01&submit1=Create+Report

Since 1940 through 1981 had less unemployment than 1981 though 2010 who did better Keynesians or Reaganomics?
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Keynesians did far better.
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If you would call 1981 through 2010 a period without recession, then you would, also, have to call 1940 through 1981 a period without recession.
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It would 60 years, not 30 years.
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And Reagan had a negative, not a positive impact on unemployment when comparing those periods.

Here’s GDP pre-Reagan:
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http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart_gs.php?year=1950_1980&view=1&expand=&units=k&fy=fy11&chart=&bar=0&stack=1&size=m&title=US%20Gross%20Domestic%20Product%20GDP%20History&state=US&color=c&local=s

Here’s GDP during and after Reagan.
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http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart_gs.php?year=1980_2010&view=1&expand=&units=k&fy=fy11&chart=&bar=0&stack=1&size=m&title=US%20Gross%20Domestic%20Product%20GDP%20History&state=US&color=c&local=s
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Notice that the first 30 years were a much steeper incline than the second?
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It’s because the period of economic growth from 1950 until 1980 was greater than growth from 1980 to 2010.
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Hell, all of the dumb 1960s sci fi figured we’d be riding around in spaceships by now if the economy kept on growing at that 1950 to 1960 rate.
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Lost in Space (I never saw a full episode on reruns since it looked so dumb) took place in the future year of 1997.
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Growth began to slow down after Reagan and unemployment began to become more common after Reagan.

“…Kerry got 92% of the black vote and still lost by a wide margin.”
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Bush beat Kerry by 1.4%
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Obama beat McCain/Palin by 7.2%.
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That was with Bush’s fake war, too.
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So, once again, you are very wrong about Economics and history.
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This is why I expect to find out that you are a 16 year old who has not studied history.
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I do find it hard to imagine that you are a man in your 50s.

“If you are a black you are probably liberal and will be insulted. That’s the idea. Is that racist?”
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Yes. It is very racist.

Incredibly few in the black community have ever even heard the name Rush Limbaugh, and of those few, even fewer still have heard Barack the magic negro.
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“A fat drug addicted radio commentator” pretty much sums up patsy’s knowledge of Rush. He’ll consult wikipedia for more info, but would rather eat a dog turd than actually listen to him.

Patrick,

you analogy doesn’t work. You might not be one the the JFK conspiracy type but you and the vast majority of libs believe all political violence emanates from the right. Oliver Stone has been tied up in this sentiment his entire life and JFK is but one manifistation. This entire goofy conversation about civility is a nonsensical diversion from the fact Paul krugman and so many of his peers on the left tried to blame the right for the Arizona shooting. Now that it’s obvious they never had a shred of evidence we’re supported to think it had something to do with the heated political environment.

The reason I cited JFK is because it’s such a devastating example of how far those on the left will go in their delusions. Lee Harvard Oswald was a radical lefty who assassinated JFK and while he’s hardly the only lefty wing nut he’s by far the most famous.

I hide behind no one and i don’t care what black people think about Rush or anything else. I live in a colorblind world. I don’t divide by race.

In this example it’s absolutely gossip. It’s his opinion and there isn’t a shred of evidence. None is offered. This same M-16 provided Blair with his evidence and in fact they are the primary critics of the famous Joe Wilson.

None of this economic data does what you say it does and Bill Clinton will not compare to Reagan as an economic President. Reagan inherited 10% unemployment, 10% inflation and 10% interest rates. Clinton inherited a booming economy and much lower inflation. Obama and others have all said the same thing. Reagan was a transitional President. Clinton was not. In fact no one has even claimed otherwise.

History will be hard on your side, just as they have been about Vietnam, calling Martin Luther King a communist (Reagan, Buckley and Goldwater did this when King was alive), McCarthy, pre-World War II Isolationism and pre-New Deal economics.

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History will not be as hard on the liberals war in Vietnam as you think. MLK was sympathetic to socialist polices and none of those men secretly wire-tapped MLK and took pictures of his sexual liasons. That was JFK. McCarthy was a non-entity and not even associated with the more famous house hearings on communists, most of which they got right. If by pre-New Deal economic you mean the booming 20′s go ahead.

You’re hiding behind that columnist in the LA times. You even directed everyone to him instead of Rush and you.
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It is also abundantly clear that Rush Limbaugh is a case of “kicking the hornet’s nest” because he (and you!) know that the purpose is to create anger in the Black community – and – as for that, you are proud and in your face about it.
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This isn’t rocket science, rdw56. You have made it clear that you not only want the right to insult an entire demographic, but you want to do so freely, without consequences!
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As for 2/3rdsrocks:
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You don’t know anything about the Black community.
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Rush Limbaugh is known widely and he is nearly universally recognized as the voice of the GOP.
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Thus, the image problem and the reason why almost all Black conservatives refuse to vote GOP, even in the face of dissatisfaction with the Democrats!
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That’s one wall and two foreheads – yours and 2/3rds…

Actually, rdw56, you’re full of sh!t:
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Go look up http://www.splcenter.org and the intelligence tab.
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There are numberless documents pertaining to GOP operatives, some dead, some still active, that banded together in the ’80′s and ’90′s to give birth to and to nurture the ignorance of GOPers like you….

Simple rdw56:
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Most in the Black community do not know that columnist.
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Rush Limbaugh, on the other hand, does it all the time and is not only universally vilified but is regarded as racist.
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Those that have a little deeprer knowledge and do know that columnist don’t go to him either, because he is not the one who is building a career out of endlessly repeating what they regard as an offensive song.

There is nothing conservative about the song. The song, regardless of it’s intended meaning, is not playing in the Black community that way.
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So let me ask you this, rdw:
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Is there a reason why you are insistent on turning your nose up at Black conservative voters?
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After all, they are conservative, but they just don’t like racism.
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You have only two ways to go with this one, rdw56, and both lead to a wall to walk you into..

Actually, no rdw56
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I speak from 40 years of experience in the Black community.
17 in laws
63 neices and nephews
240+ grandkids
Freinds, and friends of the extended family in NY, SC, LA, AL, CA, WA, TX, OH and IL.
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And on top of it, when I finally do draw out the real reason you have this point of view, all of Swampland will see, as 2/3rdsrocks experienced a few days ago, that the underlying theories that you adhere to are based on ignorance.
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Here are some facts:
* Approximately 40% of the Black community is conservative in every sense of the word
* Black conservative support of the GOP is nearly nil (anyone can peruse election results!)
* The GOP has a very long history of indulging in hate rhetoric directed at the Black community (www.splcenter.org).
* Most at work will not talk politics at work, and do so for definitive reasons
* Most Black issues are identical to those of everyone else
* Many Black Americans are dissatisfied with the Democrats, as they have not done enough to directly address their issues (jobs in core communities etc etc)
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Ok, now your turn. Let’s see what you’ve got…

Houston, you have a problem:
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You’ve stated this:
“Conservatives treat blacks with a lot more respect than liberals.”
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Yet, in reference to the fact that, despite the columnists’ intent (to insult liberals) Rush knew and you know that it would be interpreted as racist:
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“He predicted [it] and the [usual suspects] acted just as predicted right on cue.”
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The “usual suspects” – the Black community did act as predicted, and yes, right on cue.
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So how can you reconcile your claim of respect wen he didn’t (and you proudly don’t, for that matter) have any respect for Black community when he knew it would be interpenetrated as an insult?
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I don’t know about you, but I don’t even have to be Black to realize that insults are not a sign of respect!

rdw @ 39:
Houston, you have a problem. A serious self contradiction, no less.
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You’ve stated this:
“Conservatives treat blacks with a lot more respect than liberals.”
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Yet, in reference to the fact that Rush knew and you know that it would be interpreted as racist, you wrote this, and proudly:
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“He predicted [it] and the [usual suspects] acted just as predicted right on cue.”
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The “usual suspects” – the Black community – did act as predicted, and yes, right on cue.
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So tell me:
How can you reconcile your claim of respect when Rush indulged repeatedly (and still does) in playing that song even though he knew, and you proudly know, that it would be interpenetrated as an insult? Not only that, but you are proud that it is being taken as an insult!
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I don’t know about you, but I don’t even have to be Black to realize that insults are not a sign of respect!

RDW,
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Tax law is extremely highly paying if and only if you work for a private firm.
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The IRS pays about 40% of what the private sector pays.
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As for the president getting affirmative action, that is just untrue.
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You have no evidence of this.
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You just keep on saying it over and over and hope that if you say it enough times that people will believe you.

“Could be, but she’s still the best looking woman in politics.”
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Now that you’ve said that, it is obvious that you not only vote for your Boehner., you vote with your Boehner.

patricksartor,

An interesting non sequitur, but hardly pertinent to the subject.

“You might not be one the the JFK conspiracy type but you and the vast majority of libs believe all political violence emanates from the right.”
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How would you know?
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The only thing you think you know about liberals is what Rushy tells you.
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So, let me correct this:
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“You might not be one the the JFK conspiracy type but RUSH LIMBAUGH CHARACTERS PRETENDING TO BE LIBERAL and the vast majority of RUSH LIMBAUGH CHARACTERS PRETENDING TO BE LIBERAL believe all political violence emanates from the right.”
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Fixed it for you.
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As for toxic rhetoric, it is responsible for many lesser events such as the trashing of exclusively Democrats offices after the vote on HCR and for the many fake death threats by people who would not follow through from the far right exclusively against Democrats.

“President. Reagan inherited 10% unemployment, 10% inflation and 10% interest rates. Clinton inherited a booming economy and much lower inflation.”
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You, obviously are unable to read.
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Reagan inherited 7.5% unemployment.
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Clinton inherited 7.4% unemployment.
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Reagan brought it no lower than 5.3%.
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Clinton brought it down to 3.9% with no inflation!
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Just re-read the numbers and you will see the truth.

“I didn’t say there wasn’t a recession you are by definition making that up…”
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you said so right here!
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Are you blind!
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“..and this bush lied meme is boring as sin and utterly useless….”
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Once again, a supposed atheist saying “boring as sin”.
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That’s besides the fact that most so-called sins are anything but boring.
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“It’s a political theme.”
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No, it is documented fact.
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” It will have no bearing on history…”
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Our great grandchildren will be falling out their chairs laughing at us in history classes knowing that we had a president so corrupt that he attacked the wrong country so that he could win 0.9% of the vote to beat the Democrat in the next election and learned the lesson from his own father regarding the Gulf War One.
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” …it’s for hacks, about hacks by haIcks, not historians…”
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The fact that we went to war based upon a lie is just for hacks and halks?
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Just like, I guess, Pearl Harbor, as the reason we went into WWII got left out of the history books. Your concept is that historians do not care why we went to war if it is a Republican president who started the war.
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Please!
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Come on.
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Seriously. Have you ever read a history book other than the one by that lunatic attacking Woodrow Wilson?

patricksartor,

1. My error. Gallup has losses for the party in the White House at 36 seats not 26. But certainly not 63.

2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

3. John Edwards is an ambulance chasing shyster who screwed millions out of the health care industry. He should be the poster boy for tort reform.

4. The MSM was addicted to McCain only as long as they could get a quote out of him that bashed Bush. But as soon as he took on the boy wonder in 08 all bets were off, and McCain became persona non grata with the liberal media.

5. Sarah is Sarah, and she will always be good for a headline. Whole industries have been created by the left to attack her.

Here is the outline from the link I sent:
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“The minutes were meant to be kept confidential and were headed “This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.” It deals with the lead-up to the 2003 Iraq War, and comes at a point at which it becomes clear to those attending, that US President George W. Bush intended to remove Saddam Hussein from power by force.

The minutes run through the military options and then consider the political strategy in which an appeal for support from the international community and from domestic opinion would be most likely to be positively received. It suggests that an ultimatum for Saddam to allow back United Nations weapons inspectors be issued, and that this would help to make the use of force legal. Tony Blair is quoted as saying that the British public would support regime change in the right political context.

The most controversial paragraph is a report of a recent visit to Washington by head of the Secret Intelligence Service Sir Richard Dearlove (known in official terminology as ‘C’):

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime’s record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

The British analysis of US policy is also stated elsewhere in the minutes:

The Defence Secretary said that the US had already begun “spikes of activity” to put pressure on the regime. No decisions had been taken, but he thought the most likely timing in US minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the US Congressional elections.

The Foreign Secretary said he would discuss this with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.

The Attorney-General said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defence, humanitarian intervention, or UNSC authorisation. The first and second could not be the base in this case. Relying on UNSCR 1205 of three years ago would be difficult. The situation might of course change.

The main sections covering the ultimatum are:

The Prime Minister said that it would make a big difference politically and legally if Saddam refused to allow in the UN inspectors. There were different strategies for dealing with Libya and Iran. Regime change and WMD were linked in the sense that it was the regime that was producing the WMD. If the political context were right, people would support regime change. The two key issues were whether the military plan worked and whether we had the political strategy to give the military plan the space to work.

…John Scarlett assessed that Saddam would allow the inspectors back in only when he thought the threat of military action was real.

The Defence Secretary said that if the Prime Minister wanted UK military involvement, he would need to decide this early. He cautioned that many in the US did not think it worth going down the ultimatum route. It would be important for the Prime Minister to set out the political context to Bush.

The minutes also outlines potential risks of an invasion of Iraq:

For instance, what were the consequences, if Saddam used WMD on day one, or if Baghdad did not collapse and urban warfighting began? You said that Saddam could also use his WMD on Kuwait. Or on Israel, added the Defence Secretary.” ”
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Re-read this sentence:
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“But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime’s record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.”
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Fixed as in falsified, a lie, a load of Bulls hit.
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This is what MI-6 had to say.

patricksartor,

The term was political assassin. They don’t shoot people, they just engage in the politics of personal destruction.

The administration wheeled out “end of life discussions” and than just wheeled them right back in. Doesn’t that make you suspicious?

The IRS does not need guns. They have so many other ways to destroy a person`. They are not an organization that I want anywhere near my health care.

two third brain:
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“He’ll consult wikipedia for more info, but would rather eat a dog turd than actually listen to him.”
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I had an unemployed a-hole landlord in 1992.
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He used to pirate software to sell and stood around the house doing nothing while his wife worked her butt of at two jobs to support the family.
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He droned on and on that he couldn’t find work in 1992 since the Democrats (not yet Clinton) ruined the economy.
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Every day he recorded Rush Limbaugh and played back for the three children he didn’t earn a dime to support.
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I had enough Rush Limbaugh from that crybaby who couldn’t find the guts to go out and get a job. I’ve seen bits and pieces of his show and thought they were total bulls hit.
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Here Redstate linked to something which included a link to Rushy boy.
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Rush was going on and on that liberals were spending all day and night talking about how Sarah Palin’s daughter was doing well on Dancing with the Stars and that liberals all wanted this girl to fail.
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I, personally, would find staring at the wall more interesting than Dancing with the Stars. I don’t even remember Palin’s daughter’s name. I do not wish her to lose or win. I have never, ever here or elsewhere heard that this Palin girl is winning at Dancing with the Stars and could hardly care less.
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I know what else Limbaugh does other than eat copious amounts of food and take drugs: he hallucinates and imagines liberals and tells us what he sees these liberals he imagined are not only doing, but what they are thinking.

patricksartor,

When George Bush asked the Director of the CIA, George Tenet, if Saddam Hussein had nukes, Tenet replied that it was a “slam dunk.” Case closed.

“Incredibly few in the black community have ever even heard the name Rush Limbaugh, and of those few, even fewer still have heard Barack the magic negro.”
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You know this from buying black people at the Walmart or, like Rushy hallucinates and imagines liberals, you hallucinate and imagine black people?
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For all of those who do not watch or listen to Rushy boy it is because we know what he is all about: pulling crap out of his ass and pretending it is fact.
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Why listen to this more than one hour in a lifetime?
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I’ve had five or six hours in this lifetime and I know when I am on my deathbed I will look back and say that those were among the worst spent hours of my life.

rdw56,

John McCain’s time has passed him by. There is a new wave of Republicans in Washington now and McCain does not fit in with them.

McCain must be honored for his long and courageous service to this country but I do not see him having much effect on future policies.

RDW, these are separate points in hisotry.
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1930s conservatives: Peacenics against fighting Hitler.
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1950s: calling every union lead and civil rights leader a communist.
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1960s: Calling MLK a communist.
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1960s; saying that the war in Vietnam can be won with fewer troops and deaths than WWII even though the Pentagon papers revealed that this was a lie.
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1970s: Conservatives defended Nixon.
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1980s: Reagan took deregulation too far leading to the same unemployment rate as the 1980 – 83 recession to resurface in 1992 (7.5% when Reagan began 7.4% when Bush Sr. finished – the DEATH of supply side economics).
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1990s: Claimed cheating on your wife was equal to Nixon’s attempt to rig the 1972 election until House Speaker and lead inquisitor Newt Gingrich was caught cheating on his second wife (who he had cheated on when he had his first wife).
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2000s: W following failed Reagan strategies to a T. W waiting for bin Laden to escape Tora Bora. Bush rigging the facts to attack Iraq. Bush ignoring Katrina.
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2010: Tea Party, death panels, 16,500 armed IRS agents.
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Every decade conservatives make massive blunders and then cry and say that historians are meanie liberals who make them look bad.

“The 1920s Economy: A Statistical Portrait
Industry/Agriculture/Electric Power/Economic Concentration/Business Failures/ Distribution of Wealth/Advertising/Consumer Credit
Industry
Percentage Increase, 1922-28

Industrial Production: 70%

Gross National Product: 40%

Per Capita Income: 30%

Output per factory man hour: 75%

Corporate Profits: 62% (1923-1929)
Electric Power

Percentage Increase, 1899-1929: 331%

Percentage of American Industries powered by electricity, 1929: 50%
Advertising

Total Spending

Pre World War I: $300-400 Million a year

1927: $1.5 Billion/ year

1929: $1.8 Billion/ year

1927 Spending

Newspapers: $690 Million

Direct Mail: $400 Million

Magazines: $210 Million

Billboards: $ 75 Million

Radio: $ 7 Million
Consumer Credit

1925: $1.38 Billion (Consumer Credit outstanding)

1927: 15% of all consumer durables bought on installment payments
60% of automobiles bought on installment payments
80% of radios bought on installment payments

1929: $3 Billion (Consumer Credit outstanding)
$7 Billion (Total Consumer Goods purchased on Credit)
Economic Concentration, 1929

Percentage of Banks Controlled by Top 1% of Banking Corporations: 46%

Percentage of industry controlled by top 200 Corporations: 50%

Percentage of industry controlled by top 600 Corporations: 65%

Percentage of corporate wealth controlled by top 200 Corporations: 49%

Percentage of all wealth controlled by top 200 Corporations: 22%
Business Failures

Number of business failures in 1926: 22,000

Number of banks in the United States, 1921: 31,000

Number of bank failures, 1921-1929: 7,000
Workers

Percentage Increase, 1923-29

Worker’s incomes: 11%

Real Earnings (for employed wage earners) 22%

Average Work Week: -4%

Minimum income deemed necessary for a decent family standard of living: $2500

Percentage of American families with incomes under $2500 in 1929: 71%

Agriculture

Farm Production in 1919: $21.4 billion

Farm Production in 1929: $11.8 billion

Percentage of national income held by farmers in 1919: 16%

Percentage of national income held by farmers in 1929: 9%

Number of Farms Forced off the land in 1929: 435,000

Distribution of Wealth

Rise in per capita income for top 1% of population, 1920-1929: 75%

Rise in per capita income for nation as a whole: 9%

Percentage of American Families with no savings: 80%

Percentage of savings held by top .1% of Americans: 34%

Percentage of savings held by top 2.3% of Americans: 67%”
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http://bss.sfsu.edu/tygiel/hist427/texts/1920seconomy.htm
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That’s only the city dwellers.
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The 1920s was not good on the countryside.
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1920-21
Sharp postwar recession
1922-29
Speculative boom

1920s
Agricultural surpluses become the chief agricultural issue
1920
Collapse of agricultural prices
1921-40
Long-term agricultural depression”
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The farms did not come back to life until WWII. They had begun the Great Depression back in 1924.
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http://www.agclassroom.org/gan/timeline/1920.htm

Worker’s incomes: 11% in ten years. Barely 1% per year.
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Farms fail.
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Percentage of all wealth controlled by top 200 Corporations: 22%
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Rise in per capita income for top 1% of population, 1920-1929: 75%

Rise in per capita income for nation as a whole: 9%

Percentage of American Families with no savings: 80%
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In the 1920s into the 1930s caused far more than ever before or since to consider communism.
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Yes, those 1920s!
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Good times (for the top 1%, it SUCKED SHT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE).

“patricksartor,

An interesting non sequitur, but hardly pertinent to the subject.”
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The subject: what is Sarah Palin uber talented at besides getting horny right wing men to pay attention to her?
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Not getting books sold better than the president.
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We still haven’t found that talent of hers.

“They don’t shoot people, they just engage in the politics of personal destruction.”
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Okay, but the guys who find nothing more fascinating in knowing my height and weight and wish to say I look like jaba the hut on the right should fit that far better than I do.
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I fight misinformation and bad ideas.

“The administration wheeled out “end of life discussions” and than just wheeled them right back in. Doesn’t that make you suspicious?”
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It was first proposed by Republican Congressman John Sullivan of Oklahoma.
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Yes, I am often suspicious of Republicans, but not necessarily people from Oklahoma.
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“The IRS does not need guns. They have so many other ways to destroy a person`. They are not an organization that I want anywhere near my health care.”
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They would not be near your health care.
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Your insurer would give you or your employer a form like the one the bank gives you for your mortgage to show to the IRS.
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As a standardized form the IRS would run it through a computer to make sure that it is real and not something you printed up yourself.
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Then they would give you the tax credit.
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Name a money collector inside or outside of government who takes your money whom you do like?
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I don’t like giving money for anything, but, if I am reasonably satisfied with the goods or services I am buying, I find paying 100% tolerable. That includes government.

“patricksartor,

When George Bush asked the Director of the CIA, George Tenet, if Saddam Hussein had nukes, Tenet replied that it was a “slam dunk.” Case closed.”
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I heard that Bush asked Tenant if the CIA could make a case for Husein having WMD and Tenant said that it was a slam dunk.
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Why would finding out that we have to send our soldiers to possible death and injury be compared to a basketball game otherwise?
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The CIA is an excellent agency.
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It’s very strange that after Tenant got pressured by Bush that the CIA, after being rated third in the world after the Mossad of Israel and MI-6 of the UK would make such a massive error.
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Or, maybe, Tenant was being asked if he could scape together facts from the proverbial waste paper basket of intelligence using the least reliable sources to help Bush use a war to get re-elected?
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Then no WMD were found, MI-6 called the facts fixed and GWB won by 1.7% against John Kerry.
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What a strange coincidence that this is the rare occasion the CIA screws up.
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And you think the IRS is scary.
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I’d take 165,000 IRS paper pushers bound by regulation after regulation over one CIA agent with a grudge.

Do you think that Franklin Roosevelt called Pearl Harbor a “slam dunk” to get us into WWII, or just a day that will live in infamy?

RDW56,
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A few things I do not believe you understand.
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First, a huge majority of people look at numbers and facts and notice the means, the results and decide what their ideology is first and defend it later.
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It appears as if you loved the speeches of Reagan, hated the speeches of Carter and Johnson, ignore facts, listen to Rush Limbaugh as if he were telling the truth and root for Team R right or wrong.
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You do know that since I have seen the facts about who makes the economy work well including raising wages for the poorest that I have an astronomical advantage over you in a fair, fact based debate since, if, hypothetically, team R were to switch policies with team D (as if they switch places as they did in the 1900s through the 1930s) I would switch places too while you seem to root for team R no matter what they do or say.
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Second, try watching and listening to news sources which sometimes tell you things you do not wish to be true and see what you think.
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Liberals do not want climate change.
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Liberals do not want any taxes at all.
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But, if the facts say that there is climate change caused by humans, it is far brighter to go with the party which will make adaptations (which used to be both Democrats and Republicans before the late 1990s) than the ones who do not wish to.
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Since providing needed services to keep businesses going (like getting the snow out of the way, the courts operating, the streets safe, the air clean, etc, etc) costs money, taxes are better than closing down our entire economy, taxing those who will lack a means to get by if we tax them too much or passing it onto our grandchildren.
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I do not always or even often want the means such as taxes and limitations on carbon emissions, but I do love clean air and a functioning government far more than going without.
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Reading or watching news you do not always agree with can lead you to some of these “liberal” conclusions without the writer themselves advocating a “liberal” solution.

“3. John Edwards is an ambulance chasing shyster who screwed millions out of the health care industry. He should be the poster boy for tort reform.”
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A fact free, random statement which includes that he was never even accused of any form of ethical violation and not denying the fact that tort law needs to exist.
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Translation: I Paulejb, don’t like John Edwards.
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You don’t have to like him.

another wall monkey boy….?
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piddle on mommy’s keyboard, dance around in your underoos and shadow box and prattle about walls.
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Possibly the dumbest little mother fker that ever drew a breath, except maybe his girlfiend patsy.

“another wall monkey boy….?
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piddle on mommy’s keyboard, dance around in your underoos and shadow box and prattle about walls.
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Possibly the dumbest little mother fker that ever drew a breath, except maybe his girlfiend patsy.’
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Have another two shots, two thirds brain.
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I figure it will only take two more shots before you wake up on the floor in a puddle of your own vomit.
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If you aren’t drunk, then you really have no excuse for that poor excuse for an entry.
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If I were and wrote that sober, I would lie and say that I was drunk at the time.
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Just two more.

patricksartor,

What gave you the idea that I don’t like John Edwards? The fact that I identified him as a bottom feeding shyster who made millions suing doctors. He selected cases based on the amount of the payoff to be won not out of any desire to help the downtrodden.

patricksartor,

Paul Krugman is a liar. The Oklahoma City bombing was all about Waco and that is on Clinton’s head.

patrickstartor,

John Edwards handled not one notable pro bono case, so spare me all the bull about his ethics.

patricksartor,

The non sequitur was you going off on a riff about Obama not being responsible for Bill’s Ayers skating on the bombing charges.

patricksartor,

Here you go, Pat.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/Conservatives-Maintain-Edge-Top-Ideological-Group.aspx

hattusilas,

A bit over the top, aren’t we, Silas? Congresswoman Giffords was a supporter of the 2nd Amendment and she voted against Nancy Pelosi as minority leader. Why would conservatives hate her? You need to look elsewhere for her enemies. Try the Daily Kos.

patricksartor,

Than that makes it odd that the only stories that get spiked are about the misfeasance or malfeasance of someone on the left. The media had to be dragged kicking and screaming into reporting on the John Edwards scandal, and they wouldn’t have given in except for the pictures the National Enquirer come up with.

Than their is the case of Obama’s pastor for 20 years. The MSM showed little interest in him even though his sermons outed him as a racist lunatic.

Paul Krugman is a liar. The Oklahoma City bombing was all about Waco and that is on Clinton’s head
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Good job Paul. You managed to simultaneous start name calling and blame everything on Clinton, all without a single shred of pesky evidence. Good Work.

sorry patrick,

claims all of the violence is on one side is pure ignorance. you listen to NPR because you like your news scrubbed. they’ll report only one side knowing you are dumb enough to believe it. Youtube sucks for you and NPR.

patricksartor,

1. I have no interest in your weight or height. I hope I haven’t stumbled in to a dating site.

2. “End of life discussions” may not necessarily be suspicious, but the fact the the government is offering to pay doctors to conduct them makes me uneasy. Than there is the Obama administration’s handling of the issue. They keep dangling it out there then they quickly pull it back. What’s up with that?

3. Why should the IRS have anything to do with my health care? It is unlikely that they would have a cure for anything that ails me.

4. The government does not have much of a record for producing anything even remotely satisfactory.

5. The CIA has a spotty record. Their predictions about the strength of the Soviet Union were not exactly accurate. WFB Jr, a former member of the CIA, said of them “It had all the earmarks of a CIA operation; the bomb killed everybody in the room but the intended target.”

6. Bob Woodward put the Tenet quote in context. He said the meeting was for presenting “The case on WMD as it might be presented to a jury.” That would require “slam dunk” evidence.

7. I suspect an IRS agent is more ruthless than the worst CIA operative.

But, if the facts say that there is climate change caused by humans, it is far brighter to go with the party which will make adaptations (which used to be both Democrats and Republicans before the late 1990s) than the ones who do not wish to
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Sorry Pat, this is stupid. CC change has not been established as fact. It’s just a theory and there’s scant evidence. We know this because you only recently started calling it climate change. It was global warming for 20 years but then it stopped warming in 1998. These clowns have been making it up as they going along. There will be many fewer of them making it up in the future. This house is cutting funding for GW research by 90% and they’re starting a process for prosecuting scam artist like Michael Mann who have not placed federally funded data on public web sites.

Sorry my friend but not only is Kyoto dead but a dozens nations made sure there aren’t even talks to replace it.

The “usual suspects” – the Black community – did act as predicted, and yes, right on cue.
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Where did you get the usual suspects were the black community? The usual suspects are the MSM and the usual race baiters such as AL Sharpton. You’ve also not made any connection between Barak the magic negro and racism, We know what the column was about. It wasn’t derogatory to blacks, It’s insulting to liberal’s, specifically white liberals. That is why Clarence Page praised it. If the black community decided they wanted to be insulted that’s their problem. They should have checked the story out.

“He selected cases based on the amount of the payoff to be won not out of any desire to help the downtrodden.”
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And you know what John Edwards wants, thinks, feels and so on?
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How long have you had these delusions that you can read other people’s minds and have you seen a psychiatrist about it?
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If we want to play that game, George W Bush, just like Sarah Palin, loves to get publicity and doesn’t mind if their policies destroy American. They think (we are imaginary mind readers just like you) that their own personal fame and fortune is more important than America. So, these two, Boehner and the far right think (imaginary mind reading) that if America is destroyed and turned into a half starved feudal society that it’s okay and feel like (imaginary reading of their emotions) it’s okay so long as they were the last one ones in office before America was destroyed by plague and famine.
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Wow, pretending to know what your political opponents think and feel is fun! I can come up with some dastardly evil sht to say how Palin and Bush are so happy about 9% unemployment that they are dancing in the streets!
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Do you want more imaginary mind reading of your side of the isle?
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This can get really fun!

The word liberal has been demonized for over 30 years now.
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What’s important is who intends to vote for people an informed person would call “liberal” or “conservative” not if they like the sound or the false implication of the word “liberal” or “conservative”.
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If Bernie Sanders becomes president (unlikely, but an amazing choice if he had a prayer) and people said that they hate the words or being called “liberal” or “socialist” but give Sanders high approval ratings, who cares what words people love or hate.
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Far more likely, progressive Democrats will gain many seats in both houses while centrist Obama wins re-election while the American people will still not like the word “liberal”.
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So long they elect people who can be defined as liberal, I could hardly care less how many prefer that hard C sound of the word conservative over the word liberal.
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Reagan began it when began in 1984 calling Mondale “the L word” meaning “liberal”. People who grew up with that (more than half of all Americans were too young to vote by 1984) don’t like the sound of the word “liberal” for the sound of the word.

“The Oklahoma City bombing was all about Waco and that is on Clinton’s head.”
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That’s as evil as saying that World War II and the Holocaust was caused by The Treaty of Versailles.
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The FBI followed existing procedures in Wacko.
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The Davidians put gasoline on their roofs.
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Tear gas cartridge ignited the building.
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David Koresh, an accused child molester who carried military style weapons into his cult’s compound is the one and only person responsible for the deaths at Wacko.
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McVeigh was listening to the far right’s distortion of this and decided to kill as many government people as possible.
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McVeigh and Terry Nichols are the only two who caused the terrorist attacks in Oklahoma and did so not while listening to Clinton or even the Branch Davidians, but while listening to the far right on AM radio.

Let’s have some Republican-style mind reading fun.
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Rush Limbaugh thought it would be great for his business if some terrorist listening to him blew something up (imaginary mind reading, as you claim to read liberal minds, we can pretend to read right wing minds) and was so thrilled when the terrorist attack killed women and children, Rushy boy was jumping for joy (using mind reading powers conservatives claim to have of liberals but, instead saying that I can read right wing minds). Limbaugh saw the dead infants and laughed until he crapped all over himself.
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So, like this fake mind-reading crap that you pull?
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No?
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Then leave it at home. It is a pathetic concept.

“John Edwards handled not one notable pro bono case…”
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NOTABLE?
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“His clients certainly have no complaints.

In 1990, for instance, he won a case for the son of a man killed by a truck driver, advancing the relatively novel argument that the trucking company itself, Collins & Aikman, should be held accountable because it encouraged its drivers to act recklessly in paying them by the mile.

The mother of the man who died, Golda Howard, recalled watching Mr. Edwards with something approaching awe. She is 82 now, and she will never forget the experience.

“He’s an artist in the courtroom,” Ms. Howard said.

Nor did she feel left out.
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Donna Keith, a nurse who worked as an expert witness for Mr. Edwards and later joined his former partners as a screener, described the selection process.

“We only take a very small percentage, probably a couple out of a hundred,” she said of her work at Kirby & Holt, once known as Edwards & Kirby. “It’s very difficult to turn them down. However, you have to realize it is not always negligence.”

All lawyers, except the most desperate, pick and choose among the cases they will accept. ”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/14/politics/campaign/14career.html?ex=1247544000&en=870846aae154e1d1&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&pagewanted=2
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Since when do you get to decide what is NOTABLE pro bono cases.
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When Obama spent a few years doing work for a non-profit right out of college, he gets called “Community Organizer and Cheif”.
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When John Edwards made money hand over fist doing most of the work himself instead of spending all or most of his time on pro bono work, you attack him then, too.
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Obviously you hate his politics and would like to believe with no merit that in his professional life he was not a good person when it’s very clear that he was very professional and no reason to say that he did not do pro-bono work.

“The media had to be dragged kicking and screaming into reporting on the John Edwards scandal, and they wouldn’t have given in except for the pictures the National Enquirer come up with.”
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No more odd than when the media had to be dragged kicking and screaming into reporting that Newt Gingrich had been cheating on his second wife and had left his first wife when she had cancer.
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The media often dislikes reporting stories about public figures sex lives.
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Edwards had already lost the nomination to Obama for almost a year when the “scandal” happened.
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It was terrible, but, just as if somebody tapped me on the shoulder to me and told me that my mechanic cheats on my wife I would look at him and say “who the fck are you and why are you tapping me on shoulder.”
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If this were a competing mechanic, then one thing I would know: the man telling me that (hypothetically) my mechanic, by barber… whoever… is cheating on his wife wants get my business without saying what is important. What’s important to tell me. Tell me “I am a better barber than your barber”, “I’m a better mechanic than your mechanic” or, “I’ll be a better senator than your senator” not, “Look at who’s cheating on who! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH.”
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if I wanted that I would watch General Hospital or some other Soap Opera.

“patricksartor,

1. I have no interest in your weight or height. I hope I haven’t stumbled in to a dating site.”
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LOL!
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That’s very refreshing considering how Earl, Freeinpa, Newfreedomblog, 3Xfire3 and Earl1jr are all fascinated by what I look like and Earl, after seeing my picture asked me if I was impotent or not.
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I thought I accidentally got onto a webstie for the Log Cabin (Gay) Republicans when I heard that.
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“2. “End of life discussions” may not necessarily be suspicious, but the fact the the government is offering to pay doctors to conduct them makes me uneasy. Than there is the Obama administration’s handling of the issue. They keep dangling it out there then they quickly pull it back. What’s up with that?”
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There is a problem that many, many people do not have a living will. There are a huge range of times when doctors can, proverbially “pull the plug”. This goes from “do not resuscitate” for those least interested in staying alive due to chronic pain or some other reason to being held on life support for decades after brain activity has ended such as Sunny von Bülow did for 26 years. It is not the government, your spouse’s, your children’s, grandchildren’s or anybody else’s decision besides your own. So, as awkward as it is, somebody must ask before one is brain dead. Nobody wants the government deciding that a brain dead person must be kept alive nor that a person wanting to live should not get resuscitated.
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The part about “backing off” is due to Sarah Palin making a herculean jump to a conclusion that extremely specifically neutral language is a secret plot to kill people.

“3. Why should the IRS have anything to do with my health care? It is unlikely that they would have a cure for anything that ails me.”
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The IRS’s assignment, just as it is for your mortgage, is to run a standardized form through a scanner.
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Insurance tax deduction?
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Yes/No.
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Just as the IRS runs a form for mortgage yes/no, amount of deduction. This has been happening for almost 80 years now and nobody has ever suggested that the IRS chose your home because they give you a tax deduction on one nor, for that matter, that they chose what woman you marry or when since they, also, give you a tax deduction for marriage and children.

“4. The government does not have much of a record for producing anything even remotely satisfactory.”
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Armed forces, national highway, FBI, the FDA, the Federal Court systems, other federal law enforcement are all unsatisfactory to you?
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Well, that’s a matter of opinion, of course but I find that, without having had the US invaded, having driven on highways innumerable times, having not been a victim of a crime and having not been poised by bad food or medicine that the federal government has done a very good job.
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“5. The CIA has a spotty record. Their predictions about the strength of the Soviet Union were not exactly accurate. WFB Jr, a former member of the CIA, said of them “It had all the earmarks of a CIA operation; the bomb killed everybody in the room but the intended target.”"
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The CIA, although considered significantly better than the Russian FSB and it’s predicessor the KGB had counted every Soviet Missile three times. By 1991 it was known that we didn’t have just a few more nuclear warheads than the Soviet Union, we had more than triple their number. Under Nixon Rumsfeld and Cheney had been pressuring the CIA for more information and the CIA, unfortunately erred on the side of paranoia over accuracy. The way this happened was that the CIA, like all intelligence agencies, steals data from our own allies like France and England. For every new foreign report on the same silo, it was listed as two and, eventually, three different silos throwing our numbers way off.
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They, also, were suppressing reports as early as 1967 about economic failures in the Soviet Union, also under political pressure to err on the side of paranoia over accuracy.
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Between the two in 1991 when I was taking international relations as a double major with economics in college, the former Soviet union and the CIA both looked pathetic compared to what we expected.

“6. Bob Woodward put the Tenet quote in context. He said the meeting was for presenting “The case on WMD as it might be presented to a jury.” That would require “slam dunk” evidence.’
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A self proclaimed conservative who read a Bob Woodward Book!
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I am very impressed.
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I have the book, Plan of Attack here in my living room. Woodward, however, concludes that Tenant was responding to pressure from Bush to find even the least reliable intelligence to use against Husein. He, like Richard Clarke (not the same Dick Clarke from American Bandstand, they don’t look much alike) agree that Bush and Cheney were making plans for an attack on Iraq starting in January 2001 and intended, for political reasons to postpone it to closer to the 2004 election.

“7. I suspect an IRS agent is more ruthless than the worst CIA operative.”
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LOL!
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One agency trains death squads while the other, at worst, will freeze a bank account.
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I would much rather have my bank account frozen than be blown up.

“claims all of the violence is on one side is pure ignorance. ”
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Yes, stop claiming that Jared Loguhner is to the left. It is very ignorant.
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“…you listen to NPR because you like your news scrubbed…”
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Wow, you really have to see a psychiatrist about your delusion that you can read minds.
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I listen to NPR because New York radio stations are complete crap. When I was in Boston I never heard NPR even once since there were great rock stations to listen to.
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“…they’ll report only one side knowing you are dumb enough to believe it…”
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This coming from the man who listens to Rush Limbaugh and rejected about ten different studies linked to this site to explain to you how many Republicans are interviewed on NPR every single day.
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“..Youtube sucks for you and NPR..”
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What planet did you say you lived on?
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Youtube is the best thing ever to happen to NPR and progressives.

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/01/21/sarah-palin-descending/#ixzz1BriuS6rt

“CC change has not been established as fact. It’s just a theory and there’s scant evidence.”
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20,000 people with PhDs in the field of climatology you call scant evidence.
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“We know this because you only recently started calling it climate change. ”
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You know this because a commercial real estate agent in Queens started saying “climate change”?
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I hate to tell you this, but, I am not exactly an influential person.
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“It was global warming for 20 years but then it stopped warming in 1998.”
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http://www.drroyspencer.com/2010/11/oct-2010-uah-global-temperature-update-0-42-deg-c/
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As you can see, in 2010 the trend continues as it has consistently since the 1880s.
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Your claim about 1998 through 2010 are nothing other than a complete lie told to you by oil companies.
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The first term beginning in the 1970s was “the greenhouse effect”.
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But since you, most likely do not own a greenhouse, you would change the channel or refuse to read the article.
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Next, people like you who refused to read up on things heard the term “global warming” but every time there was one cold day in the specific place you live you called everybody clowns and refused to read the article.
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So, to make things easy for people like you, the term became “climate change”.
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“These clowns have been making it up as they going along. There will be many fewer of them making it up in the future.”
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Just because you are confused does not mean that they, not you, are a clown.
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“This house is cutting funding for GW research by 90% …”
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But will fail to get it passed by the Senate or signed by the president and make another “symbolic vote wasting taxpayer money and our time.”
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“…and they’re starting a process for prosecuting scam artist like Michael Mann who have not placed federally funded data on public web sites…”
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Unfortunately a real examination of scams would turn on the anti-environmental side, so, like GWB said, “bring it on” (and I mean facts, not kill our troops and GWB was unthinkingly saying.)
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“Sorry my friend but not only is Kyoto dead but a dozens nations made sure there aren’t even talks to replace it.”
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Kyoto was never ratified.
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It’s a non-story.

“You’ve also not made any connection between Barak the magic negro and racism…”
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Listen to the voice of the voice of Rushy’s buddy and his grammar.
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He calls “snoop dog” an authentic “negro”.
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Having right wing white nut jobs decide who are “authentic” members of the black community would be like my saying that Mel Gibson is the most authentic example of the far right in America and, if you are not a drunk, anti-Semitic wife beater you aren’t a real right winger.
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Which reminds me RDW, when are you going to stop beating your wife?
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I found what the, supposedly, far, far left, Marxist Socialists Fascists had to say about Limbaugh’s skit:
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Wow! They seem… completely non-threatened by Limbaugh and went out of their way to point out that mocking public figures is not within liable laws and said that, even if offensive it was Limbaugh’s right.
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HOW DARE THOSE DIRTY LEFTISTS SAY… that some people do and should find Limbaugh offensive.

This is Limbaugh at his best. He really is quite gifted at baiting fools. It is perfectly normal for liberals to have 5 different sets of standards so in fact they stand for nothing. What Rush did that was so cool is to take a column written by a black LA Times columnist and nationalized it. A brother wrote “Barak the Magic Negro” Shanklin put it into song and Limbaugh made it a national story. For some strange reason white liberals offered no criticism of the LA Times columnist. The classic example of politically correct cowardice. Limbaugh repeats another mans words.
How can it be one is a racist and the other is not? Rush exploits your impossibly stupid double standards and cowardice to mock you. He knew the MSM would do it’s ready, fire, aim thing. The MSM probably didn’t report on the origin of the song probably because they didn’t know. They’re lazy and ignorant. It’s just as possible they did know but left it out to manipulate their airhead base. It’s called race baiting or race hustling. It’s how Al Sharption makes his very conmfortable living.

They’re just as predictable as the liberal base. This is where Rush is genius. He understands sane people despise double standards and political correctness. This is why Clarence Page took on the MSM to tell them Rush had it right. This is why Rush plays the song so often and tells the story. He describes you as fools and cowards with this obvious example.

What he also gets here is the continued erosion of the MSM and of liberalism.
George Clooney in an interview lamented both the loss of the roll of gatekeeper for the MSM and the poor standing of the word liberal. This is a twofer. Any liberal calling Rush a racist but excusing the LA Times columnist is either ignorant or a coward, possibly both. This is why the polls for the MSM are in the toilet along with the UN, Liberal academia and other liberal institutions. This is why every year fewer people get their news from ABCnews and more get it from Fox.

Most people don’t like getting manipulated. You listen to NPR because you know they’ll scrub the news for you. They’ll decide what position you should take and then select the items to support that position. They protected you from Climategate. They’ve never done a story describing just how weak temperature data is before 1979. An inconvenient truth can’t be shown in the UK without a disclaimer pointing out a dozen different factual errors. If you listen to NPR or get your news from ABCNews you have no way of knowing that. If you listen to fair and balanced you know. Most people want to know. When these people see a story and the media reaction to Barak the Magic negro and the egregious double standard applied to Limbuagh and the fact the MSM scrubbed out the fact Rush didn’t write it they get pissed. They see the MSM for what they are, hacks. Joe Klein is a liberal advocate. Time is a group of liberal advocates.

Where we’ve moved since Rush came on air is people like me don’t believe a word in Time, the NYTs or on ABCNews. You know on every report they’ve selected facts based on their agenda leaving out facts that don’t fit. Anyone just reasonably well read figures out the game quite quickly. in the example of this story it was Rush himself providing the example but he had a ton of help. His ratings are higher than the 3 networks combined. Of course Drudge, National Review, Powerline and virtually every other blogger reprinted the story. Everyone with just a single source of news information outside the MSM learned the MSM left out the most important part of the story. A child could figure out their game.

You are no smarter than trained seals. We won’t know this for another 25 years but I’d bet this will be the most famous ans most played song parody in media history.

Why are you making a point about Rush being offensive. Of course he is. So is Obermann, Maddow, Matthews, Maher, Beck, Hannity, etc. The entire point of the column was to offend white liberals. The entire point of the song was to popularize the column and bait the usual race husslers in the MSM and in the black community like Sharpton. You can’t trash Al or Jessi because as a liberal you lack the spine. Conservatives don’t have that problem. If you want more insults listen to Rush’s skits on the justice brothers. They are correctly played as extortion artists. T.he voices are fabulous and the writing as good as anything on Stewart. It’s hilarious. It’s also deeply insulting and I am sure highly offensive to all fans of Jessi Jackson and Al Sharpton

patricksartor,

You can gain great insight into another person by observing how he treats the people around him. The late Elizabeth Edwards was the closest person to John Edwards and lokk at how he treated her.

John Edwards was tested as a human being, a husband and a father and he came up wanting. His law career involved selecting the slam dunk cases with the largest payoffs. He did little pro bono work and left no meaningful legacy except for the millions he drained from the health care system.

I do not understand how you come to defending this totally despicable excuse for a human being. Unless you are so besotted with your ideology that you can not determine right from wrong.

patricksartor,

“The word liberal has been demonized for over 30 years now.”

You would think that that would give you pause. Did it not occur to you why it was so easy to demonize liberalism. As they say, the devil is in the details, and the folks have now seen the details of what liberalism means.

patricksartor,

You certainly can be relied upon to come up with a knee jerk reaction. The Waco incident did not shed any glory on the Clinton administration and Clinton just looked small for letting Janet Reno take the hit.

Waco was a fiasco from the minute that the ATF stormed the place. There is no one who came out looking good on either side. The violence shown on TV just stirred up hatred of the government by fringe individuals like McVeigh.

All in all, it was a disaster which never should have happened. The government agents should just have waited until David Koresh left the compound and then taken him into custody.

ohiolibb,

I was not calling Paul Krugman a name. I was describing his actions. And his myth about Waco is a lie to cover up Bill Clinton’s and Janet Reno’s role in the disaster.

patricksartor,

I said that John Edwards was a bottom feeding shyster. I did not say that he was an incompetent, bottom feeding shyster.

And of course he would receive encomiums from people for whom he came up with the loot, but I would hardly describe Edwards career as on where he was doing the work of the Lord.

But have it your own way. If he is one of the heroes in your liberal pantheon, I will not begrudge you. May you have the joy of him.

“He really is quite gifted at baiting fools. It is perfectly normal for liberals to have 5 different sets of standards so in fact they stand for nothing.”
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So you are calling the vast majority of black people fools?
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“It is perfectly normal for liberals to have 5 different sets of standards so in fact they stand for nothing.”
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No, all liberals stand behind libel laws not preventing political speech and believe in the first amendment as do most moderate, who you mistake for liberals since you are so far twisted to the right that everybody is to your left.
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There are different degrees of liberal on each and every issue and we do not take marching orders on what to think and what to do, so, there are varying degrees of how offended one is.
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“A brother wrote “Barak the Magic Negro” Shanklin put it into song and Limbaugh made it a national story.”
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If you watched the video Shanklin disowned Rushy’s version of it. He said that, as a black conservative compared Obama to a particular type of movie character – the wise black man who appears unannounced in the middle of movie as a sage wise man to give advice and then is not seen again for the rest of the film where all of the other characters are white.
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“How can it be one is a racist and the other is not?”
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Because one was comparing Obama to a movie character type and the other was saying that the “real” black community was snoop doggy dog and was making fun of what is considered to be the black dialect.
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“The MSM probably didn’t report on the origin of the song probably because they didn’t know. They’re lazy and ignorant. It’s just as possible they did know but left it out to manipulate their airhead base. It’s called race baiting or race hustling. It’s how Al Sharption makes his very conmfortable living.”
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Have you gone blind, are you unable to click a link or are you just shooting off responses without seeing what NBC said about it?
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“Any liberal calling Rush a racist but excusing the LA Times columnist is either ignorant or a coward, possibly both.”
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Watch the clip and you will see that the writer and Limbaugh were saying two very different things.
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“Most people don’t like getting manipulated.”
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But you LOVE it.
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“You listen to NPR because you know they’ll scrub the news for you.”
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If you mean that they’ll state off the bat before playing a Palin clip that there is not one word nor has there ever been one word in HCR that vaguely resembles “death panels” nor is there any plan to hire 16,500 ARMED IRS agents nor anything similar to it is your idea of “scrubbed”.
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How often does Rush Limbaugh, Hannity and so on interview Democratic members of congress?
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NPR interviews as many Democrats as Republicans and unless somebody is stating an outright lie, they let both Democrats and Republicans state their case without interrupting, calling them stupid , shutting off their microphone or shouting out “SHUT UP” the way O’Rielly is famous for.
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“They’ll decide what position you should take and then select the items to support that position.”
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And you know this because Rush Limbaugh told you so.
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Turn on NPR and listen.
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You’ll hear tons of interviews with Republicans, Tea Party members and about the same number with Democrats.
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“They protected you from Climategate.”
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No they watched that very carefully with other scientists, Democrats, Republicans all voicing opinions. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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“They’ve never done a story describing just how weak temperature data is before 1979.”
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Wrong!
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They’ve had plenty of climatologists talk about how the data was not obvious until the late 1980s when researchers went back further and further.
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“An inconvenient truth can’t be shown in the UK without a disclaimer pointing out a dozen different factual errors.”
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Wrong!
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An Inconvenient Truth is a movie shown in UK science classes to nearly all middle school age children. Since education is about precision, a disclaimer must be made before the required movie is shown.
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“Where we’ve moved since Rush came on air is people like me don’t believe a word in Time, the NYTs or on ABCNews.”
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Because you love to be lied to in a nice, sweet good conservatives against evil liberal scientists story no matter how inaccurate it is.
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Watch the NBC video I linked.

“So is Obermann, Maddow, Matthews, Maher, Beck, Hannity, etc.”
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But Rushy likes to be offensive to black people and even the others on the far right with him know that there are some places it is unwise to go to get better ratings and mocking black people is too low even for most of the far right.
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“The entire point of the song was to popularize the column and bait the usual race husslers in the MSM and in the black community like Sharpton.”
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Al Sharpton is a nobody.
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Rushy saw a man as fat as he is and fell in love with him while nobody in NYC pays any attention to Sharpton besides Rushy with his man crush on Sharpton.
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(BTW: Man crush, like bromance is for heterosexual male bonds in case you think I am calling Rushy gay. Hell, I’m too sloppy to mistaken for gay, if Limbaugh was trying to be svelte, stylish gay man he would be the worst failure in history.)

Twenty years ago Republicans were not flat earthers.
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They knew that climate change, then know as The Greenhouse effect was real.
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“Conservatives Likely to Conserve
Published: December 26, 1988

George Bush insisted during the Presidential campaign that he was an environmentalist. Skeptics saw little proof in his record. But his word may be easier to accept now that he has nominated William Reilly to head the Environmental Protection Agency. ”

[...]
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“Mr. Reilly, a lawyer, has devoted his career to protecting the environment. He is president of the World Wildlife Fund and of the Conservation Foundation, a research group respected for its careful views and undogmatic reports. When efforts to clean up abandoned toxic dumps bogged down in litigation, he helped break the impasse by founding Clean Sites, a group that mediates cleanup settlements between polluters and the Government.

Mr. Reilly has long been interested in pollution problems abroad, and is well prepared to address issues of international reach, like the greenhouse effect and the threat to the ozone layer. ”The country faces an array of environmental effects even more daunting than pollution crises of the past generation,” he wrote in his foundation’s latest ”State of the Environment” report. He will now have a well-earned chance to frame the solutions.

Lee Thomas, whom he succeeds, administered the E.P.A. with distinction. Within the limits set by the White House, Mr. Thomas made notable strides rebuilding the agency from the ruins left by Anne Burford, Mr. Reagan’s first Administrator. His successes include banning uses of asbestos and helping secure the international treaty to protect the ozone layer.

Republicans are heirs to two traditions that often compete. Theodore Roosevelt and Gifford Pinchot expressed the Eastern establishment’s noblesse oblige commitment to protecting the environment.”
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In the 1980s and early 1990s, Republicans accepted “The Greenhouse effect” which is now more often called “Climate Change”.
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After the mid 1990s as Clinton’s success surpassing Reagan with the economy giving Republicans fewer selling points over Democrats, Republicans began to have a war against reality and in the right reality is losing.

rdw56:
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It is clear that you cannot handle this conversation.
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The bottom line is that you are whining mightily (and in some relentlessly long rants, too) about how GOPers are perceived on the issue of race.
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You cannot have both ends of this stick:
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You claim that it is liberals who pumped this conundrum up when in fact, it is you, and apologists like you who use not only fractured, but downright bizarre reasoning to defend Rush and others “entertainers” actions.
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Base data:
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I just read your tiring, pointless rants tarring everyone inside and outside the Black community for the problem – your comments amount to nothing more than rote pre-2008 Southern Strategy sh!t.
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rdw56, I could write that stuff for you.
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I will make it very clear why GOPers and you are regarded as ignorant:
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1. Rush knew, and you proudly know, that that song would be taken as an insult in the Black community.
2. Rush is, on a daily basis playing it, despite the fact that it is regarded as an insult.
3. You constantly defend his right to do it.
4. You constantly attempt to paint those who are insulted as “self victimizers” and other much worse epithets.
5. You constantly attempt to paint those who are insulted as racist against Whites (where is that colorblindness, huh, crackhead?) when in fact all they did was to complain of insult.
6. You put forward theories that the Black community is duped by liberals, which is not only ignorant, in that it implies that they can’t think for themselves, but puts forward another graciously presented stereotype.
7 You claim that the strategy is to filter out all but true conservatives, but you have never stated exactly what conservative principles Black conservative voters don’t adhere to.
8. You hide behind well-paid Black individuals who say things you like when there is a firestorm of criticism or claims of racist commentary.
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The fact remains that, as you put it, they [Rush, Beck, O'Reilly, etc] are entertainers and they do their jobs well when it comes to disseminating their statements in order to serve the dual purpose of fomenting racial hatred while maintaining deniability.
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rdw56, you should stop wondering why GOPers have such a lousy image.
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With all that, and the fact that the song had it’s desired effect, what in hell did you expect from the Black community?
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Hugs?

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rdw56:
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It is clear that you cannot handle this conversation.
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The bottom line is that you are whining mightily (and in some relentlessly long rants, too) about how GOPers are perceived on the issue of race.
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You cannot have both ends of this stick:
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You claim that it is liberals who pumped this conundrum up when in fact, it is you, and apologists like you who use not only fractured, but downright bizarre reasoning to defend Rush and others “entertainers” actions.
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Base data:
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I just read your tiring, pointless rants tarring everyone inside and outside the Black community for the problem – your comments amount to nothing more than rote pre-2008 Southern Strategy sh!t.
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rdw56, I could write that stuff for you.
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I will make it very clear why GOPers and you are regarded as ignorant:
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1. Rush knew, and you proudly know, that that song would be taken as an insult in the Black community.
2. Rush is, on a daily basis playing it, despite the fact that it is regarded as an insult.
3. You constantly defend his right to do it.
4. You constantly attempt to paint those who are insulted as “self victimizers” and other much worse epithets.
5. You constantly attempt to paint those who are insulted as racist against Whites (where is that colorblindness, huh, crackhead?) when in fact all they did was to complain of insult.
6. You put forward theories that the Black community is duped by liberals, which is not only ignorant, in that it implies that they can’t think for themselves, but puts forward another graciously presented stereotype.
7 You claim that the strategy is to filter out all but true conservatives, but you have never stated exactly what conservative principles Black conservative voters don’t adhere to.
8. You hide behind well-paid Black individuals who say things you like when there is a firestorm of criticism or claims of racist commentary.
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The fact remains that, as you put it, they [Rush, Beck, O'Reilly, etc] are entertainers and they do their jobs well when it comes to disseminating their statements in order to serve the dual purpose of fomenting racial hatred while maintaining deniability.
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rdw56, you should stop wondering why GOPers have such a lousy image.
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With all that, and the fact that the song had it’s desired effect, what in hell did you expect from the Black community?
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Hugs?

rdw56:
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I’m glad that you find that Rush is perceived in the Black community as racist.
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I’m also glad that you see that that reaction was anticipated and was planned for.
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I note that you find the above “hilarious and entertaining”.
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Now, it should be clear just why you are not exactly getting any hugs from the Black community – they, including the conservatives among them do not seem to be too enthusiastic about being insulted!

2/3rdsrocks:
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When people resort to gratuitous insults, they have already lost the argument.
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You lost this very same argument three days ago.
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Yours truly,
the “monkey”

“His law career involved selecting the slam dunk cases with the largest payoffs.”
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What is a “slam dunk” in negligence cases?
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A slam dunk means that it is in-your-face obvious that the person being sued was a total a-hole.
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In government work, especially the military, the hardest jobs are given to the most talented such as the hardest targets to shoot are giving to sharp shooters while a “slam dunk” would be an easy target given to a company right out of boot camp.
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In the private sector, it is the opposite.
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In my job I am fairly new and do not get the slam dunk half million dollar deals in commercial real estate. Cushman Wakefield, among others beat me to it.
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John Edwards was to tort law in his area what Microsoft is to computer operating systems, what the Beatles were to rock and roll.
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So, he got the cases where it was both in-your-face obvious that the person being sued was a total a-hole and was so bad at their job that juries were thrilled to punish the a-hole.
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“He did little pro bono work…”
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Tort law does work on contingency. That is, no victory means no pay for the attorney. Rarely, if ever, is there a reason for a case providing ample funds to the plaintiff for the attorney to forgo getting paid.
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So, if ever, tort lawyers do pro bono work in criminal defense and other unrelated work.
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Just as if you had a probate attorney who wrote a spectacular will for you may and usually isn’t your best choice for a patent on an invention you have, Edwards may not have been very valuable in criminal defense or other pro bono work.
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Neither one of us has any information to know if he did 10% of his, work 1% of his work or 20% of his work pro bono, only that it was not, by the New York Times, considered to be noteworthy.
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“… and left no meaningful legacy except for the millions he drained from the health care system.”
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Drained?
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Health care?
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Edwards worked on many types of malpractice cases not just health care.
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Why is it a drain when putting an in-your-face obviously incompetent or negligent doctor out of business and making it possible for a person badly injured by a doctor to get to have food, shelter and medical care?
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I would call keeping an in-your-face incompetent or negligent doctor in business and not paying for his/her mistakes a drain on the health care system.
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“I do not understand how you come to defending this totally despicable excuse for a human being”
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I have not defended his personal life. I do believe that when people fck each other over that they should pay for it and send a signal to everybody else who is prone to carelessness to watch out and be careful not to fck anybody up.
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“Unless you are so besotted with your ideology that you can not determine right from wrong.”
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Can not tel right from wrong?
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Like I said, I want a president, a senator and if they are awful to their wife by cheating on her that isn’t my problem.
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That is not even one percent similar to saying that I find that behavior even vaguely acceptable and don’t mind at all that Elizabeth Edwards kept him out of her will completely and that his kids are rip roaring furious with him.
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But, screw over a marriage and children with cheating, then the price to pay is that your wife and children will hate your guts even if you keep your job.
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Screw up your job by invading the wrong country but stay loyal to your wife, Laura, step out of office and have a happy life with Laura and the kids.
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Outside of his personal life and the fact that it is possible that he could have done more pro bono work than he did (but nobody knows how much he did or didn’t do to start with) Edwards is a good man since when businesses and doctors fcked people over, he helped use the courts to fck them back.
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That’s called justice.

“As they say, the devil is in the details, and the folks have now seen the details of what liberalism means.”
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Outside of abortion, where I pro-life and can, on that issue nominally be called “conservative” the concept of conservatives being the moral superior is laughable.
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But, if you say you are not liberal but vote for liberals there are two options:
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1) You lied to the pollster for no known reason (which is totally improbable in large numbers).
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Or
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2) You don’t like what conservatives call liberal but do like the politics of liberals and are, in reality, liberal.
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With Democratic victories in congress from 1980 through 1994 and, again 2006 and 2008 with Democratic victories for the white house in 1992, 1996 (by popular vote 2000 as well), a tiny 1.7% victory for wartime president W in 2004 and a presidential victory by more than 7% in 2008, far more people vote like liberals most of the time than vote like conservatives.
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If you say liberal means abortion and I were not a political nerd who knew what was what in terms of ideology, then I would report that I am not liberal.
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I can find dozens of examples of the far right taking things that liberals do not want or believe in and say that it is what we want or believe in which would make people who vote and believe in liberal ideas state that they are not liberal.

“There is no one who came out looking good on either side.”
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True.
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“The violence shown on TV just stirred up hatred of the government by fringe individuals like McVeigh.”
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Along with right wing AM radio talkers and many other right wing anti-Clinton rhetoric.
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“All in all, it was a disaster which never should have happened. The government agents should just have waited until David Koresh left the compound and then taken him into custody.”
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For some strange reason the FBI did not have any clear protocols for long term standoffs and Reno was forced to make a judgment call which, with 20/20 hindsight was the wrong decision.
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I am sure that she was concerned that, as Democrats and all of the right wing slander going on about Democrats loving criminals and crime that she wanted to show how tough she was.
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After Wacko Reno, the FBI and all law enforcement learned, as you said, to cut off the electricity, gas and water and let me starve themselves and stink up the place with non-flushing toilets until they commit suicide like Jim Jones or surrender like Montana Freemen.
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You cross your fingers and hope that they come out to eat FBI provided pizza rather than their own, Jim Jones style kool aid.
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But McVeigh was as inspired by far right rhetoric as the violence he saw at Wacko.
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He was a classic, coherent right wing terrorist.

“…I would hardly describe Edwards career as on where he was doing the work of the Lord.”
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Nor would I.
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But I would, also, not say that Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, the Beatles… anybody who gets huge paychecks for very, very impressive work.
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Only the ones who do it for free or a small fraction of market wage such as Obama as community organizer when he was 22 years old as “doing the work of the Lord.”
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If incredible work for incredible money is morally neutral so long as the work is well done, then millionaires and billionaires are no better morally (just more talented) than you and I are.
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That is how liberals think.
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Conservatives usually put millionaires and billionaires up on a pedestal. This is how many conservatives come to the conclusion that, if millionaires and billionaires are our moral superior, we should not subject them to a high tax rate because they got greater benefits from a safe streets, a country secure from invasion and so on that most of the rest of us did.
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So, it would be reasonable to give a shout now, Paul, to the president for being a community organizer since that means he was being a nice guy. (Not mother Theresa, but, a nice guy).

“Yours truly,
the “monkey”"
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LOL
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What a third grade insult he has.
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It’s funny when you point out how dumb it is.

It’s astonishing to me how they can expect people in any community to buy this sh!t.
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Hopefully, we’ve finished cleaning up this isle, patrick…

rdw56 @ 44:
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“If the black community decided they wanted to be insulted that’s their problem.”
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No. Three problems:
1. The Black community did nothing. It was individuals within the Black community!
2. These individuals did not “decide” this. They came felt insulted for the same reason you would if I came up to you and called you names. And that is even if in my mind, I was just doing a parody!
3. These individuals do not want to be insulted. Are you suggesting that these individuals are masochists? Are you a masochist because right now you feel insulted because I’m calling you an ignorant, hateful throwback? (believe me, when I write this sentence, a friend of mine said this was only a parody of conservatives! He’s even less well known than that columnist you keep hiding behind.
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“They should have checked the story out.”
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Why? If I was in a bar with my wife, and you, in your infinite wisdom knowing that it would be taken as an insult, started singing it and I interrupted your song, do you think the other patrons are going to deeply investigate your life and Rush Limbaughs as well before getting upset and telling you to STFU?
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I’m sorry, rdw56, but you are not only ignorant, but you have a death grip on it.
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Only problem for you is that I have a death grip on your death grip…

Oops.
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I left out the biggest problem of all:
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The fourth problem!
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It’s costing you between four and seven million votes!
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Do you realize that that number is nearly as large as the margin by which the GOP lost in 2008?
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Do you even understand that the GOP could be far stronger, into the future if you were to look a little more deeply into this than just spout regurgitated 1980s Southern Strategy talking points?
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Nevermind. You can lead a horse to water…

BTW: What’s the difference between a downturn and a recession?

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A downturn is a rather meaningless term regarding historical economic analysis because technically if growth for this 4th Qtr comes in at 4.5% and then rhe next Qtr is 4.2% that’s a downturn. Recessions are important because growth stops. Above or below zero growth matters. As far as the crash of 87 it had only a short term impact and did not cause a recession. The recessions didn’t happen for another 3 years.

The bottom line is that you are whining mightily (and in some relentlessly long rants, too) about how GOPers are perceived on the issue of race.

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I’m not whinning even a little bit. I think the GOP has the advantage on race because we’re race neutral. You are race hustlers. The MSM has been calling conservatives racist fascist since there have been conservatives. What good has it done you? Conservativism dominates. Since 68 there have been 7 terms in the WH to 4 for Dems. We had the house from 94 thru 06 and now have our largest majority since Hoover. We are all but certain to at a 6-8 seat pickup in the Senate unless people like Bob Casey in PA moves to the right of McCain.

As I pointed out in a prior post, state tax receipts in almost every state are running well ahead of projections especially those that have maintained lower tax rates and were conservative on spending. PA is one of them. We just picked up 5 new GOP house members and the state congress is very red. Gov Corbett is going to have a much lower deficit than Rendell having done nothing.

I don’t care how we’re perceived on race as long as we are color blind. If you check out National Reviews bench memo’s you’ll see a case is percolating at the appelate level with an excellent chance of getting to the Surpeme’s with better than 50-50 odds of ending all race based considerations for college admissions. You can race bait all day and all night and if that get’s you a majority of the black vote so be it. We’ll do what is right. It’s been proven we can win decisive victories with 8% of the black vote.

Rush Limbaughs as well before getting upset and telling you to STFU?

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Rush started more than 20 years ago. Liberals started telling him to STFU on the 1st day. Every day his audience grows. He signed a $400M+ contract last year.

He’s got Obama taking him on and Obama already lost.

t’s costing you between four and seven million votes!

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So instead of picking up 63 seats the GOP would have picked up 93?

Does it matter?

“I don’t care how we’re perceived on race as long as we are color blind”
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By definition, and by your own admission, in describing how the decision was made for Rush to go with that song, you, nor he, is colorblind!
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“If you check out National Reviews bench memo’s you’ll see a case is percolating at the appelate level with an excellent chance of getting to the Surpeme’s with better than 50-50 odds of ending all race based considerations for college admissions.”
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Well, a diversion is a good way to lose an argument while not appearing to. I’ll take this win, thank you!
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“You can race bait all day and all night and if that get’s you a majority of the black vote so be it.”
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Please! I want to see where I was race baiting. I told you what, why, when and how the Black community is reacting. Is that race-baiting?
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Also, you have yet again shown your ignorance by implying that the only thing that motivates the Black community is race! You are so far removed from the truth on the ground that you can’t even see it from the exho chamber you and Rush are sitting in!
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“We’ll do what is right. It’s been proven we can win decisive victories with 8% of the black vote.”
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Riiiiiiight! Ps. Did you know that the Black community is about evenly split on Affirmative Action issues?
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You are just too damned dumb, too damned ignorant, and too damned dependent on Rush to do your thinking to figure this out…

hell yes!

“A downturn is a rather meaningless term regarding historical economic analysis because technically if growth for this 4th Qtr comes in at 4.5% and then rhe next Qtr is 4.2% that’s a downturn.”
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No, a downturn, a vernacular term, not an economic one, that the growth is negative for one quarter or longer excluding seasonal adjustment (such as the 4th quarter does very well because of Christmas, the First quarter is the dead of Winter and is not very good and the third quarter is in the Summer where, outside of car sales, home purchases and travel, there is a slowdown). So if the GDP per person in March is 46K per person and in July (after seasonal adjustment) is $45.9K it is a downturn.
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“Recessions are important because growth stops.”
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No a recession is a technical term meaning two consecutive quarters of economic loss (negative growth) in a row.
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“Above or below zero growth matters.”
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IOW Recessions matter.
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“As far as the crash of 87 it had only a short term impact and did not cause a recession.”
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It was a short lived recession.
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“The recessions didn’t happen for another 3 years.” after 12 consecutive quarters of weak growth.
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Then, ten years out of the 1983 recession starting with 7.5% when Reagan was sworn in was, in was 7.4% when Clinton was sworn in.
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Reaganomics: Two years of continued recession, five years of strong growth, one year of recession, three years of mediocre growth, one year of a recession returning to where you started.
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Clinton Economics: Eight years of very, very low inflation robust growth.
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Reaganomics failed.

Stop sticking your “audience” out there. Zip it up and put it back in your pants, rdw.
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Bill Gates has 46 billion and donated $1,000,000,000, 2.5 times Rush’s salary, to traditional Black colleges!)*
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*There’s yet another wall waiting for your expected and predictable response.
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The fact that Rush predates “magic negro” by 20 years and was regarded as racist back then says more than you ever could. If there was ever a point to make about how everyone, just by osmosis, should know that it was intended by some obscure Black columnist in LA you just made it now. In this situation, Rush, already regarded as racist long before, poisoned any more subtle message you thought you were trying to get across!
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A good idea:
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If you really want to make an impression, get Colin Powell or some other prominent Black American (not some well-paid fringe parrot* as is the usual practice) to come out and play that song repeatedly.
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Nice shot to the foot. Which of your toes is next?

How arfing stupid can you get, rdw…

Pat give it a rest,

This GW thread is so dead. You’ve been getting your head handed to you.

In December of 2009 Obama went to Copenhagen and blew up Kyoto.

In Decmeber of 2010 I’m not sure the USA even went to Cancun but on day one Japan announced they will not participate in negotiations for a new treaty and were followed by Canada, Australia and a dozen other nations.

The GOP in January of 2011 is floating budgets with over 90% cuts in long term liberal pet projects such as NPR, PBS and much of the federal funding for GW studies. I’m sure you know they can’t wait to get a whack at the UN budget.

In fact things in Europe are much worse. They’ve cancelled virtually all of their solar and wind projects and are making no effort to revive Kyoto. They don’t have any money.

You’re biggest problem of course is Climategate. Liberals have this belief once someone puts on a labcoat they’re all sweetness and light and can discern things mere mortals can’t see. Unfortunately Al Gore isn’t the only Sh*thead you elevated to hero status. Dr Michael Mann and Dr Phil Jones each spent almost a decade hiding their data and refusing to share their methodology. Pre-internet that was much easier to pull off.

Glen Reynolds of INstapundit wrote a book called ‘Army of Davids” predicting the internet was going to make everyone so much more capable to fact checking these bastards they’d discover the scams much faster.

The great story of course is Dan Rather. That great network of Edwin R Murrow put out an egregiously pathetic scam and before the show was over a lawyer watching 60 minutes knew right away something was wrong with a document, called a documentation expert he knew and with 10 minutes he said he was 99% sure it was a scam. That’s so cool. CBS said they had 3 documentation experts look at it. This is the crap we’ve been getting from them for decades. No more. CBS now knows there is an army of experts out there and if they don’t do their jobs they”ll be humiliated again.

So it goes with Global Warming. The MSM is cooperating fully shifting the theme from GW to CC and rather than admit it stopped warming in 1998 are only printing stories the last decade was the warmest. That’s how they roll. They’re not lying but they know what they’re doing. They’re frauds. People find out eventually.

BTW: Even before climategate GW was never in the top 15 of concerns with Gallup when they poll top 20 concerns and often were 20.

With all that, and the fact that the song had it’s desired effect, what in hell did you expect from the Black community?
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Hugs?

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For the nth time, exactly what happened. The same race hustlers doing what they always do. What I did not expect was people like Clarence Page enjoying the show and joining the mocking of liberals.

I’m going to have to disagree with you. A 63 seat pickup is very, very impressive. Having the largest GOP majority in 80 years and by far the most conservative group every is very, very impressive. So if 92% of blacks are voting Democrat what are they getting?

“The same race hustlers doing what they always do.”
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Look, if Limbaugh were truly colorblind, he would never, ever have mentioned anything about Obama’s race.
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By contrast parts of the media were asking Obama about the role of race and his mantra was that we were living in a post-racial world.
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So, once again, you are projecting.
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Rush and your far right wingers you listen to are trying to pretend that there is affirmative action tied to Harvard Law School’s choice of president of the law review even though there have been blacks at Harvard since the 1870s and there has been an association of black Harvard Law students for 25 years before Obama was a student there.
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Then you claim that the left is race baiting and that the right in colorblind?
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It seems as if you read criticism of Limbaugh and the far right, copy and paste the argument onto a word document, run a find and replace for “liberals” and put in conservatives and change “conservatives” to become liberals and post it.
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Your totally unreasonable!

So, rdw, if you have $93K in savings, why don’t you just send me $30k since you don’t care about the difference between 63 and 93.
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I mean, same thing, right?

RDW,
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“Winning” is not the process of throwing more words on a computer screen or funding.
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Winning is that we will not have the environment we live in slowly damaged year after year after year ruining the world economy.
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Winning is not passing climate change reducing legislation like getting a home run.
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Winning the science argument is using facts.
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You’ve written “Climategate” over and over and over while the fact is that they were 100% exonerated and climate change is a reality, not a choice.
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You are at an internal war against reality and, if for you, reality is losing, that’s got nothing to do with the state of the environment.

Bill Gates has 46 billion and donated $1,000,000,000, 2.5 times Rush’s salary, to traditional Black colleges!)*

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What does this have to do with anything? I think Gates is fantastic. Have you read any of my recent posts on the massive transfer of wealth from individuals into the private sector? It’s fantastic. I hope Bill Gates contributes $5B a year to black colleges so they can eventually provide free education to all of their students.

All of this cash is outside the control of Uncle Sam forever. That would also be outside the control of the govt and democratic party. It’ll make these schools independent of the govt free to pursue their own policies free of govt pressure.

Are you aware the Walmart family actually has a lot more than Gates and they also contribute $5B plus per year to charities and education is high on their list? I believe they have near $115B in trusts and by law must distribute 5% per year or almost $6B. Among their pet projects are private charter schools. They could probably fund any religious charter school in Arkansas of say 25 students per grade from K thru 8 for $15M in perpetituity. Yes, forever.

The Walmart family could dedicate $150M a year to charter school giving, or 2.5% of their annual giving, and create 10 charter schools a year for 225 x 10 = 2,250 students. In 10 years that’s 22,250 students. They’ve already given out huge gifts to a great many southern causes including the Univ of Arkansas.

I don’t know if you are Catholic but be encouraged Catholic education is forming a very solid base at all level of education from elementary levels thru the University system. In a stunning turnaround that started 2 decades ago the catholic schools in the philly region dominate all sports. Last week 8 of the 10 schools in the Basketball rankings were Catholic and the same is true of football. Thanks to this get wealth transfer they are able to receive generous gifts in the same way as colleges and build very state of the art facilities and offer scholarships.

There is absolutely no doubt while demographics will drive down attendance at catholic schools in this region it will be at a far lower rate than public education and it’s very likely the better schools will be larger. It’s really a great story when you think about it. In phlly virtually every civil institution manged by the city in the 50′s and 60′s was mismanaged and a financial drain. Almost all are now funded privately and managed by private boards.

I think this is one of the great uncovered stories of the last two decades and I am sure if liberals had any idea of the exploding wealth accumulating outside the control of govt they’d be furious. You see Bill Gates because the MSM loves him. They hate Walmart so the largess of the Walmart family is unknown outside a small circles. The Walmart family could not be any happier.

By contrast parts of the media were asking Obama about the role of race and his mantra was that we were living in a post-racial world.

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Except that’s total BS and what MSM type doesn’t talk about Obama’s race?

“Nominee George W. Bush Al Gore
Party Republican Democratic
Home state Texas Tennessee
Running mate Dick Cheney Joe Lieberman
Electoral vote 271 266
States carried 30 20 + DC
Popular vote 50,456,002 50,999,897
Percentage 47.9% 48.4%”
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First Gore won the popular vote in 2000.
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Then, in 2004, already strongly preferred over Bush by most Americans, he used his fame to make a documentary where he narrated.
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He is not a “hero” to us more than Bush Sr or W is a “hero” to you.
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He was the better candidate, but, I preferred Bill Bradly for the Democratic nomination myself.

If you don’t link to your outlandish claims nor even click the links, why should I even send you any?

Rush and your far right wingers you listen to are trying to pretend that there is affirmative action tied to Harvard Law School’s choice of president of the law review even though there have been blacks at Harvard since the 1870s and there has been an association of black Harvard Law students for 25 years before Obama was a student there

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What is clear is Obama was an affrimative action over ride. That says nothing else about any other black who went there. We know this because the MSM won’t produce his records. When you hide things it’s because you have something to hide. We know all about GWB, Kerry, Palin but nothing about Obama.

There is a reason for that. A child would figure out they’re hiding something.

BTW: I always thought affirmative action as designed and implemented was stupid for this very reason. It’s cheapens black accomplishment. Liberals have so many double standards on what they do it’s virtually impossible Obama didn’t get far better grading than everyone else. We all know what political correctness is. Obama in his own book bragged about how easy it was for him to get people to do his bidding. We know they’re hiding everything. They’ve proven time and time again if it’s a conservative they can find out of they farted in math class.

But they can’t find anything on Obama. Hmmmmmmm?

If you agree to read it, I”ll send you a link in an hour or so.
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Will you read it or just call it “lamestream media” go back to Reagan, Gore, Climategate (non-story) and your usual mess of nine different topics thrown into a right leaning blender?

Send links or just stop posting.
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“It’s cheapens black accomplishment. ”
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That is, actually, the strongest argument you have ever made.
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I disagree with it, but, it is an argument I have heard from conservative blacks as well as very anti-racist whites.
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My reply: to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges you have to take into account that some apples were not from the most fertile orchards and to compare quality of candidate for a job to another of a different race, you have to take into account that person’s biography. Blacks have huge disadvantages in most cases before they even spend their first day in Kindergarten.

rdw56:
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I’ve just had my brother in law read the entire discourse.
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Do you know that he is a member of the NRA?
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Do you know that he would be a considered a redneck if he was White?
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Believe me, he’s the kind of guy you want in the GOP. I would say that he has a very low opinion of your race baiting.
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You have not only lost the argument in every sense of the word, but you’ve been reduced to spouting 1980s era Southern Strategy talking points.
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BTW, as a final shot:
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Since Rush knew that the Black community would take it as a racist insult, and did it anyway, isn’t the very definition of race baiting?
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And doesn’t that also, by your own admission, because you are proud of it, prove that you are proud of race baiting?
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And on top of it, you are so married to your ignorance that you are willing to forego an almost insurmountable advantage by refusing to stop this sh!t and welcome Black conservatives into your tent!
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But hey, Dumbo, your ignorance is that valuable…

Well partick let’s think about this.

We have 435 house members so you need 218 to pass a bill.

So if you get 218 or 219 any difference? No

Boehner has 242 or 24 ‘extra’ votes. It’s the most the GOP had had in 80 years. Would 34 be better? Sure? A game changer? No. As far as this discussion an increase of black support for the GOP would be even smaller than in the senate or for President. The nature of redisticting is many states have concentrations of blacks in cities and they are very liberal and support black candidates. The ability of the GOP to peal off a seat is limited.

All of this assumes Limbaugh influences elections or the racist charge has been positive. I’d argue it’s so obnoxious and outrageous democrats lose two white votes for every black vote you get and you close off debate on a great many issues.

Dumb as hell, rdw.
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Is this the appropriate time to cut through your ignorance to remind you that the Black community is evenly split on Affirmative Action!
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There a cloo there, Dumbo. I’ve already figured your not the sharpest tool in the shed, but even you should figure this one out…

What is clear is Obama was an affrimative action over ride
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Do you have a single shred of evidence for this statement, or are you just making stuff up?

No, rdw56:
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I will give you this, however:
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You’ve described a perfect example of race baiting…

By the way, rdw:
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Is this Clarence Page?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Page
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You better come up with a link or you are seriously in default here…

BTW he’s from Chicago and here is what he wrote:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/6194029.html

rdw56:
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My brother in law asked me to look up Clarence Page because he knows quite a bit about him.
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You, and your ignorance, have been exposed!
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I have enjoyed this remarkably savage spanking you’ve been administered, and I urge you not to participate in race baiting again!

Since Rush knew that the Black community would take it as a racist insult, and did it anyway, isn’t the very definition of race baiting?

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No, it is not race baiting. It is liberal baiting. Rush didn’t play the song for the black community. He played it for his conservative audience. What he knew was that the MSM would not be aware the author of “Barak the magic negro” was a black man and it had been the headline on his column in the LA Times. What Rush knew is the liberal MSM would see it as outrageously politically incorrect and react with screams of outrage. Conservatives don’t do PC. Every single person who trashed Limbaugh said ‘nevermind’ to the LA Times writer who coined the phrase. That’s pure cowardice. If it’s a racist term when Rush repeats it it has to be a racist them when the LA Times runs it.

Rush baited the politically correct cowards and the race hustlers. And who runs this ‘black community’ anyway? You seem to have appointed yourself spokesman and decided all blacks share the same brain on every issue.

Your logic is so bad on so many levels. This was out well before the election. To suggest it cost the GOP is absurd.

Why did you ask anyone about Clarence Page? I posted his column. Just read it.

RDW,
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I just found the wingnut troll theme song.
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“Rihanna – S&M Lyrics

Na-na-na come on
Na-na-na come on
Na-na-na-na-na come on
Na-na-na come on, come on, come on
Na-na-na-na come on
Na-na-na come on
Na-na-na-na-na come on
Na-na-na come on, come on, come on
Na-na-na

Cause is so good in bed
Cause no way I’m turn back
Cause a panties get magic
Cause nothin’ gon’ magic

Love’s great, love’s fine
All the box, all the line
The addiction nothin’ feel
Lift me one more

Cause I may be bad but
I’m perfectly good
There’s sex in the air
I don’t care I love the smell of it
Sticks and stones may break my bones
But chains and whips excite me

Cause I may be bad but
I’m perfectly good
There’s sex in the air
I don’t care I love the smell of it
Sticks and stones may break my bones
But chains and whips excite me

Na-na-na come on, come on, come on
I like it, like it, come on, come on, come on
I like it, like it, come on, come on, come on
I like it, like it, come on, come on, come on
I like it, like it

Love’s great, love’s fine
All the box, all the line
The addiction nothin’ feel
Lift me one more

Cause I may be bad but
I’m perfectly good
There’s sex in the air
I don’t care I love the smell of it
Sticks and stones may break my bones
But chains and whips excite me

Na-na-na come on, come on, come on
I like it, like it, come on, come on, come on
I like it, like it, come on, come on, come on
I like it, like it, come on, come on, come on
I like it, like it

S, S, S&M, M, M
S, S, S&M, M, M
Ooohh

I love the feelin’ you free
Turn me on, you turn me on
Is exactly what I am
You need forgive me turn me it up
And make me be in my …, in my bodies surprise
I like it, like it

Cause I may be bad but
I’m perfectly good
There’s sex in the air
I don’t care I love the smell of it
Sticks and stones may break my bones
http://www.musicloversgroup.com
But chains and whips excite me

Cause I may be bad but
I’m perfectly good
There’s sex in the air
I don’t care I love the smell of it
Sticks and stones may break my bones
But chains and whips excite me

Na-na-na come on, come on, come on
I like it, like it, come on, come on, come on
I like it, like it, come on, come on, come on
I like it, like it, come on, come on, come on
I like it, like it.
S-S-S&M-M-M
S-S-S&M-M-M
S-S-S&M-M-M
S-S-S&M-M-M
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I just heard this song for the first time just now.
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Hot chick, sick lyrics.
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It sounds like how RDW56 feels about coming into Swampland.
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He loves a good spanking.

That’s the point, we don’t have evidence he earned it on merit. We knew everything about GWB and nothing of Obama. It’s just like Kerry’s military records. The MSM insisted on seeing GWBs records but protected Kerry making sure they didn’t find them. The reason is Kerry’s records proved the SBVs were right. The media doesn’t want us to know Obama’s records. We know they’re hiding something.

We just picked up 63 seats my friend for our best results in 80 years and you think we under-performed?

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Not my type of music and definitely not S&M, but, Rihanna is hot.
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I think instead of Swampland RDW56 wants a hot black woman dominatrix.

How old are you? 12?

Let’s see if I have this right. Rush puts out this hilarious song ditty and gets tons of publicity, signs a new $400M contract and helps the GOP to it’s best election result in 80 years and you think it was a bad thing?

Did you know that the Black community is about evenly split on Affirmative Action issues?

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Public opinion hasn’t been a factor in AA in decades. It’s a matter for the courts and much of it has been reversed. This court is likely to reverse all of it. There is a case working it’s way through now likely to get to the Roberts court and result in a decisive reversal.

That’s the point, we don’t have evidence he earned it on merit
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So, no evidence, other than your disbelief that a black man could have done well without help…..is that racism i smell??

What are you talking about? Link to what?

So, no evidence, other than your disbelief that a black man could have done well without help…..is that racism i smell??

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It might be if i expressed a disbelief a black man could have done well. It’s obvious black men can do very well. Look at Clarence Thomas. Let’s also note Obama is as white as he is black. The basis of the suspicion is the MSM is hiding something. THere is a reason we don’t know how he got in, his tests, etc. We know the MSM can find this out because they did with Bush and Palin. THey made a clear decision not to report it. The only obvious reason is they’re hiding something.

Links to articles about how Obama described the election and his campaign as “post racial”.
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But evidence doesn’t matter to you.

Your buddy 2/3rd says:
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“42.1

another wall monkey boy….?
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piddle on mommy’s keyboard, dance around in your underoos and shadow box and prattle about walls.
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Possibly the dumbest little mother fker that ever drew a breath, except maybe his girlfiend patsy.”

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/01/21/sarah-palin-descending/#ixzz1Bu0s16Sj
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You keep on telling that Republicans are so “Cool” randomly say that you are “kicking ass” and thave the audacity to say that I am being immature when I mention a song about how you seem to love getting your butt kicked in debates by a woman who looks hot to me and happens to be black?

No. This is how it is:
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Rush puts out a song that he knew was going to insult the Black community racially, and featured it regularly – the very epitome of race baiting.
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The fact that you find the fact that it is hilarious, and the fact that you think that the race bating aspect of it is great, doesn’t “reflect” in your ignorance, it shines a blazing light upon it!
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The fact that he’s got $400 million is as relevant as the fact that Bill Gates, who gave traditional Black colleges $1,000,000,000 has 100+ times as much money.
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His race baiting is designed to keep the “Angry White Male” portion (which you belong to) of their camp in the fold. Your intense dislike and expansive ignorance of the Black community is the hook by which he’s got your allegiance.

Rush puts out this offensive, racist song ditty and gets tons of publicity, signs a new $400M contract so that he can spend years more putting out his annoying anti-informative crap and helps the the party that just drove our country into fiscal ruin to it’s best election result in 80 years and you think it was a bad thing?
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Yes.
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I think it is as tragic as the Tuscan shooting and the Oklahoma City Bombing.

“There is a case working it’s way through now likely to get to the Roberts court and result in a decisive reversal.”
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First, where did you get the idea that the legislature can not remove affirmative action without the courts.
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Second, what case are you bringing up?
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Do you want to keep it a mystery or would you like to share with the class?

evidence of what?

rdw56,
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Think of the number of additional abortions by couples who will be unable to support children while the Republicans waste two more years of pretending that climate change does not exist and not doing anything to stimulate the economy.
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Then, if you are pro-life, tell me that this is not more tragic than Oklahoma City and Tuscan combined.
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That is, also, keeping in mind that from 1951 to 1981 GNP grew much faster and unemployment was much lower than is has been from 1981 until 2011.

You totally missed the point, rdw:
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You would stand to gain four to seven millin votes plus the ability to hold, for a considerable length of time into the future, the ability to win elections by wide margins!
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And, to add a case in point, the AA issue is an example of just one of the conservative points of view you would not have to sacrifice!
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I put it to anyone who reads this:
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Given that all you have to to gain their votes is to stop the race baiting, without having to sacrifice any conservative principles, the price of gaining an enormous advantage is cheap indeed!
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So how come you are so stupid as to not want to make such a simple sacrifice?
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My own answer is that you have a death grip on ignorance, and will not give it up!

To add a point to Patricks’ comments on congressional action to repeal AA, with a regular expectation of 40% of the Black vote, you could have done it a long time ago!
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How stoopid can one get…

If you broke ranks with the other wingnuts and said that twothirds is being a moron, then you would hold some of the moral high ground on saying what is mature and what is immature humor.
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But you really must like getting your butt kicked since over and over all of us have sent you links and quoted article after article how Climate Change has been settled science since about 1988 when REPUBLICAN president George HW Bush promised to start work on the problem.
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Then you throw in Al Gore’s house at random – even though he was all about selling credits to make up for power use by growing trees elsewhere to undue his carbon footprint making your argument, null, void and somewhat annoying.
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Then you go back to Dan Rather again and again.
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Then you tell a fairy tail about the post Reagan 30 years being better, not worse – which it was – than the 30 years before Reagan and are confronted with reality.
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Not conceding an easily lost point is immaturity in debate.

Rush puts out a song that he knew was going to insult the Black community racially, and featured it regularly – the very epitome of race baiting.

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Lets get this right. The song was not insulting to the black community. The song was insulting to white liberals were comfortable with Obama because he was more like them. Thus the term ‘magic negro’. You should read the original column. What Rush knew was that the usual race hustlers like Sharpton and much of the MSM would claim he was being racist and get the crowds reved up. This is exactly what the MSM did after the Arizona shooting in blaming it on Palin. They treat you like fools and far to often you play the part.

You’re real problem here is that Rush does this because he benefits. You can’t hurt him. This just exposes the race baiters. Rush knew he could saw the exact same thing as a black man and liberals would actually try to blame ONLY him. That’s obviously stupid. If you are going to base your ideology on double and triple standards you are going to constantly fall into these traps.

There is a reason liberals can’t climb above 20% in polls and Barak and hilllary want to be called progressives.

To over ride Obama’s veto if the Democratic Senate caves in and passes right wing legislation with 290 votes.
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272 would require only 18 Democrats to defect and vote with Boehner, but, at 242 you would need 48 Democrats to defect.
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It 30 additional seats would have done a great deal of good for your party.

Re: Fifty Years of Affirmative Action is Enough
January 21, 2011 5:19 P.M.
By Peter Kirsanow

Earlier this week, the Fifth Circuit issued a decision, Fisher v. University of Texas, that may partially grant Roger Clegg’s wish that affirmative action come to an end.

The court in Fisher upheld UT’s race-conscious admissions program (governing those applicants not in the top ten percent of their respective high school classes). In doing so the court relied on the Supreme Court’s decision in Grutter v. Bollinger, upholding the use of race as a flexible “plus” factor in elite college admissions.

Fisher presents the Roberts Court with an opportunity to revisit the constitutionality of the use of race in college admissions. Given the present composition of the court, there’s a fair likelihood that racially conscious programs won’t pass strict scrutiny muster (i.e., that the use of race in admissions serves a compelling state interest and is narrowly tailored to serve that interest).

Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito signaled in the dual 2007 grade-school-assignment cases (Seattle and Louisville) that “diversity” isn’t a compelling state interest. But even if the Court doesn’t address whether diversity on college campuses is a compelling state interest, the Court should still strike down the UT program. That’s because Grutter prohibits colleges and universities from using race or ethnicity as a predominant or decisive factor in admissions. The evidence is irrefutable that if race/ethnicity were not a decisive factor in admission, fewer blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans would meet the admissions thresholds of most elite colleges. An analysis by the Center for Equal Opportunity shows, e.g., that at some schools blacks are preferred over similarly situated white comparatives by a factor approaching 700 to 1. That’s not a mere “plus.” That can’t survive even Grutter.

“No, it is not race baiting. It is liberal baiting. Rush didn’t play the song for the black community.”
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Do you remember telling me he predicted that the Black community would interpret it as an insult, and that you said yourself, “so what?”?
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You just contradicted yourself!
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“He played it for his conservative audience. What he knew was that the MSM would not be aware the author of “Barak the magic negro” was a black man and it had been the headline on his column in the LA Times. What Rush knew is the liberal MSM would see it as outrageously politically incorrect and react with screams of outrage. Conservatives don’t do PC. Every single person who trashed Limbaugh said ‘nevermind’ to the LA Times writer who coined the phrase. That’s pure cowardice. If it’s a racist term when Rush repeats it it has to be a racist them when the LA Times runs it. Rush baited the politically correct cowards and the race hustlers.”
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First, in case you hadn’t seen it, Clarence Page is from Chicago. My brother in law, who read everything here suggested I google it. The links are above.
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Second, it is abundantly clear that Clarance Page, in the title of the article on the link I supplied you, said that the GOP should’nt use that ditty to get laughs!
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Third, by definition, ‘negro’, used in this context, is clearly used as a racial reference, and as such, directly targets the Black community by definition! A case in point: Rush Limbaugh did not use the racial epithet for Italians, or Irish, or any other group!
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“And who runs this ‘black community’ anyway?”
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The individuals that make up that community.
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“You seem to have appointed yourself spokesman and decided all blacks share the same brain on every issue.”
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On the contrary:
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You refuse to acknowledge that almost half of the Black community is conservative. I pointed that out!
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You did not know that the Black community was even split on AA. I pointed that out!
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You adhere to the theories that place all of the Black community under the spell of liberals (you said so! and I pointed that out and called you on it!
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Now, how did I get this knowlege:
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Look up thread to what I explained about my family. Also, just a few messages up, while I’ve been debating this, my brother in law was here!
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Add to that, 40 years of life in and around the Black community.
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So I don’t speak for them at all. I’ve been trying to tell you just how diverse opinions are in the Black community and it is you who insists on them being some monolithic, mind-numbed, gullible demographic!

I did. You did not read the title…

“What Rush knew was that the usual race hustlers like Sharpton and much of the MSM would claim he was being racist and get the crowds reved up. This is exactly what the MSM did after the Arizona shooting in blaming it on Palin.”
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You seem to be totally unable to stick to one topic like a child with ADD.
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Sharpton has a small, almost exclusively black following. He is not of any interest in NYC in City, State or Federal politics. Rush picked him out of a crowd.
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Then you get into how a white, Christian Jared Loughner shoots a white Jewish woman who serves in the congress.
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This is why I keep on saying that when I deal with you I imagine a 16 year old with severe ADD bouncing around the room when he writes ten thoughts into each sentence.

“You’re real problem here is that Rush does this because he benefits. You can’t hurt him. This just exposes the race baiters. Rush knew he could saw the exact same thing as a black man and liberals would actually try to blame ONLY him.”
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Rush is trying to save white liberals?
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Save white liberals from president Obama or from obscure, powerless and insignificant Al Sharpton who has almost no sway within even the black community in NYC much less non-blacks?

“he song was not insulting to the black community.”
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Bullsh!t! Didn’t I tell you that is exactly how it is perceived? I also note that everyone who is a member of the Black community has, on Swampland, said exactly that.
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You lose
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You totally missed the point, rdw:
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You would stand to gain four to seven millin votes plus the ability to hold, for a considerable length of time into the future, the ability to win elections by wide margins!
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And, to add a case in point, the AA issue is an example of just one of the conservative points of view you would not have to sacrifice!
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I put it to anyone who reads this:
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Given that all you have to to gain their votes is to stop the race baiting, without having to sacrifice any conservative principles, the price of gaining an enormous advantage is cheap indeed!
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So how come you are so stupid as to not want to make such a simple sacrifice?
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My own answer is that you have a death grip on ignorance, and will not give it up!

Did you notice something, rdw?
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I’m not debating AA. I’m keeping this light shining directly at you ignorance and stupidity…

So, rdw, my “colorblind” friend:
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Why is it you refuse to make one simple change, a change that has nothing to do with conservatism, to gain an advantage that would benefit the GOP for a considerable time into the future?
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Answer this question. Do not evade.

RDW,
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Affirmative action was always intended to be for an indefinite but finite period of time.
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Having the fact that some people on the right are so confused that they think that somebody who is as well spoken and so well accomplished as POTUS is has benefited from AA while ignoring that GWB was an obvious trust fund loser who had everything handed to him on a silver plate is mind boggling and degrades what is left of the far right’s credibility.

Patrick:
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rdw56 is now in the mode that I told you about on the other thread a week and a half ago.
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He’s got a loud voice and his fingers are in his ears…

You know what is funny here Patrick?
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I’m trying to tell this loudmouth, empty headed, ignorant conservative that he can, if he doesn’t like Affirmative Action, that he can get the votes to outlaw it, if he were to realize that Black conservative voters are potential GOP voters!
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But naah, this horse is dying of thirst, all while standing haunch-deep in a pool of water.
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It is as certain a way as any to demonstrate how ridiculous his position is…

You would stand to gain four to seven millin votes plus the ability to hold, for a considerable length of time into the future, the ability to win elections by wide margins!

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I think your premise is nonsense on stilts. 1st off limbaugh has nothing to do with the GOP. If my vote for any candidate was based on a talk show host I should have my right to vote taken away. I am fortunate in that I don’t know anyone that stupid. I vote on candidates based on what I think they’re going to do. Limbuagh, Olbermann, Joe Klein have ZERO bearing on my vote.

The old saw that the GOP is racist is no more useful than the old saw the GOP is fascist. It’s classic gutter politics and any party would be foolish to lower themselves. The idea is to run a smart campaign and go after the smart vote. There are many more people who will vote seriously than the airheads you describe.

BTW: For every story like this there are two sides. There’s this talk now on civility and of people getting tired of all the vile charges and claims. Calling someone a racist is as nasty as it gets. The more the same fools in the MSM and the race hustlers like Sharpton play this game the more moderates and independents dislike them.

What limbaugh did was piss off the same people who were already pissed off at him. The people who know him and/or have been down this road before know the charge is the usual nonsense. For the people in the middle who are actually curious as soon as they find out Limbaugh is getting called a racist while the LA columnist gets a free pass know immediately this is politically correct BS. It is one of the primary reasons the ratings for the MSM will continue to erode. People detest double standards and they really detest political correctness.

So you need to sharpen your pencil and calculate how many votes Rush picked up.

“1st off Limbaugh has nothing to do with the GOP.”
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Now that is absolutely the most inflated, gold plated, example of deniability I have ever heard.
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Let’s not mention the obvious self-contradiction in this rant.
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You are playing the deniability card and you are playing to the “Angry White Male” part of the Swampland readership.
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Like your claim that the Black community wasn’t insulted by that song, this one id D.O.A.
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you lose. Again…

if he were to realize that Black conservative voters are potential GOP voters!

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I don’t want a legislative end. I want a judicial end. I want discrimination ruled unconstitutional so no legislature can pass laws favoring one race over another.

I’m not angry. Thinks are going quite well.

Why is it you refuse to make one simple change

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What change?

So you think GWB was a trust fund baby and that’s a bad thing. Ok, so why did you nominate Al Gore? The princeling went to excusive private schools k-12 and lived in a luxury hotel. Bush went to public schools thru 8th. Don’t be such an obvious hypocrite.

“evidence of what?
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“By contrast parts of the media were asking Obama about the role of race and his mantra was that we were living in a post-racial world.”
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“evidence of what?
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“By contrast parts of the media were asking Obama about the role of race and his mantra was that we were living in a post-racial world.”
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“evidence of what?
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“By contrast parts of the media were asking Obama about the role of race and his mantra was that we were living in a post-racial world.”
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Say goodnight Gracie.
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Goodnight Gracie.

GWB after completing his education where his family name got him into Andover prep in Andover Massachusetts (arguably the best prep school in the US – arguably, I am not an expert myself) Yale and Harvard ran three companies into the ground his father and his father’s connections got him into.
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Then sold a baseball team and had one and half years as governor of Texas.
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Gore House of Representatives 1976 – 1984 US House of Representatives.
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1984 to 1993 US Senate.
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1992 to 2000 Vice President of the US.
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In Summery:
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Bush: Three failed business experiences with one success all from money and connections 99.999% of us will never have plus 6 years of political experience
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Gore: Family name helped 1976 elections. 24 years of political experience.
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Now, do the math:
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Your wife needs brain surgery.
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Doctor A at first studied culinary arts, failed at first three restaurants in part due to a drinking problem he freely admits. Finished medical school and residency and has practiced medicine for six years.
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Doctor B has been a brain surgeon for 24 years.
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Which one do you bring your suffering wife to?
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Hence, 24 years of government experience to 6.
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Which one is more qualified to be president and who rode a trust fund?

53_3 is saying that the right wing needs to stop insulting black people as a part of your right wing indoctrination and you will have millions of more votes.

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64Let’s see if I have this right. Rush puts out this hilarious song ditty and gets tons of publicity, signs a new $400M contract and helps the GOP to it’s best election result in 80 years and you think it was a bad thing?”
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#69
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“1st off limbaugh has nothing to do with the GOP.”
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#64
” Rush…helps the GOP to it’s best election result in 80 years.”
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#69
“If my vote for any candidate was based on a talk show host I should have my right to vote taken away.”
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#64
“Rush…helps the GOP to it’s best election result in 80 years and you think it was a bad thing?”
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#69
“I am fortunate in that I don’t know anyone that stupid. I vote on candidates based on what I think they’re going to do.”
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It’s a hard call if Rdw56 @ 64 beats Rdw56 @ 69, but, it is clear that they are making completely contradictory arguments.
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Anybody who has to change argument 180 degrees mid debate has lost the debate and should have gone home hours ago.
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Say goodnight, Gracie.

I am the only one here who submitted my picture or a video clip of myself, so, like everybody else here I have exclusively a cartoon like mental picture of who looks like what.
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For RDW56 I just imagine a 16 year old bouncing around the room, unable to stick to one topic while calling everything he likes “really cool” and mistaking tossing the last words on the screen with winning a debate.
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Right now that cartoon picture is running around the room frantically unable to figure out how to win this debate.
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Then, again, when I think of Freeinpa, I imagine Yosemite Sam.
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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wL1GhjExVjs/S80BMMWu63I/AAAAAAAABag/UzZzr-hryyg/s1600/ysguns2.gif

This is partisan nonsense. The GOP doesn’t insult anyone. Talk radio is a $$B dollar industry protected by the 1st amendment. Limbaugh is a conservative 1st republican 2nd. Were the GOP to support higher taxes he’d no longer be a republican. Conservatives won’t ever be chasing minorities. We have an ideology we think works and will try to make sure the GOP adheres to it. Were the GOP to try to attract minorities by compromising a conservative they’ll find themselves in the position McCain did in 2008.

BTW: I think the bottomline is blacks have marginalized themselves. The GOP doesn’t need your vote. We elected Bush without your help. Obama didn’t win because of the black vote. in 2012 you are absolutely, positively going to support the black candidate. AA is going to be ended by this Supreme Court. The GOP has it’s largest House lead in 80 years and will get the Senate back in 2012. They’ll win in 2012 based on how well they do in getting their base out. karl Rove never looked at what the DNC was doing. GWBs campaign was devoted to getting his base out to the polls.

Rush has no relationship with the GOP. He supports conservative candidates and positions in the same way TIME supports liberal candidates and positions. Rush and Time have nothing to do with the respective parties.

Patrick, the point was really obvious. Your problem with Bush is silly and hypocritical. You voted for Al Gore. He was fully dependent on his Daddy until he inherited his Daddy’s congressional seat.

If you voted for Abe Lincoln you might have a point. You voted for someone more priviledged than Bush

patricksartor,

1. I can’t belief that you published pictures of yourself on this site. Haven’t you ever heard of photoshopping?

2. End of life discussions are a matter between you, your family and your doctor. The government should have no part of it.

2a. The minute the subject of “death panels” came up the proposal for end of life discussions was removed from the health care reform bill. The administration tried to slip them through via regulations but then backed down once again. Does that not make you wary?

3. Who then enforces the individual mandate? Who collects the fines? Who puts you in prison if you refuse the mandate and the fine?

4. Let’s just say the record is spotty. It may be good enough for government work but that is not saying much.

a) Armed forces – Korea, Vietnam
b) National Highway – Have you tried traveling over national highways and bridges lately?
c) FBI – Olympic bombing, 2001 anthrax attacks
d) FDA – E-Coli, salmonella
e) Federal Court System – Roe v. Wade, eminent domain

5. Hindsight is 20-20. No one predicted the collapse of the Soviet Union. Ronald Reagan came closest when he said that the outcome of the Cold War will be “We win, they lose.”

6. Bob Woodward can be a little fanciful with his sources, but on the whole he does some valuable work.

7. A CIA operative may kill you, but an IRS officer will make you wish you were dead.

so why did he lose? Why did Kerry lose?

“Rush has no relationship with the GOP. He supports conservative candidates and positions in the same way TIME supports liberal candidates and positions. Rush and Time have nothing to do with the respective parties.”
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Please show a video of Joe Klien singing John the Magic Gentile, or even one link to anybody in Time magazine ever creating a complete and total lie about Republican candidates.
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IOW: Time seeks fairness desperately but it’s columnists find right wing doublespeak, inaccuracies and, in the case of Sarah Palin, outright lies impossible to find reasonable sometimes.
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Limbaugh never once endorsed a democrat, a liberal or even a moderate Republican while Time aims to put them in everybody in a fair light as does the NYT and the Wall Street Journal.
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Limbaugh is a full time campaigner for the far right of the Republican Party now known as the Tea Party.
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He never, ever leaves that ideology for any reason.

Hey Patrick!
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Before I punch out, I’ll say this:
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He is, of course, trying to sell lies. After all, who was it who organized Operation Chaos in Texas.
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As for his other relentless denials, he’s contradicted himself so many times that I’m wondering if a brain scan would reveal a pretzel in there, somewhere.
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Also, even more hilarious:
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My brother in law was here. He’s Black, in the NRA, and is conservative enough to be considered a redneck if he was White.
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His opinion of rdw56′s many claims:
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Low. Very low…

Nominee George W. Bush Al Gore
Party Republican Democratic
Home state Texas Tennessee
Running mate Dick Cheney Joe Lieberman
Electoral vote 271 266
States carried 30 20 + DC
Popular vote 50,456,002 50,999,897
Percentage 47.9% 48.4%
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Gore won by 0.5%
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Kerry lost by 1.7% because Bush had a war going on and Kerry had speaking skills as weak as GWB but in the opposite way.
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GWB couldn’t speak outside of talking point sound bites.
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Kerry could explain things very well so long as you give him an hour and a half to do so.

Well, Patrick, if ever there was an example of totally tone-deaf finger-in-your-ear hear-no-evil this is it.
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I’m really not surprised that despite every indication otherwise, he has “decided” that the majority of Black Americans don’t feel it’s insulting.
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Pretty vacuous upstairs…

Patrick. You’ll have to just trust me on this. Gore lost. Kerry was awful. He was incoherent. Many of his answers are nonsensical. You can trash GWB all night and all day. You have to see how Bush looks at all this. it’s your condescension that got him elected 4′s.

I havn’t, and won’t because I don’t have the means or the wherewithal to set up something that is not traceable directly to me.
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Employers do have the right to fire at will in this state, and I’m not interested in treading those waters.
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I commend you for what you do.
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This guy treasures his ignorance…

FTW, patrick…

You do know operation was about getting people to leave the GOP and register as democrat?

“At the end of February 1976, U.S. Representative Joe L. Evins unexpectedly announced his retirement from Congress, making the Tennessee’s 4th congressional district seat to which he had succeeded Albert Gore, Sr. in 1953 open. Within hours after Tennessean publisher John Seigenthaler, Sr., called him to tell him the announcement was forthcoming,[43] Gore decided to quit law school and run for the House of Representatives”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore#Congress_and_first_presidential_run_.281976.E2.80.931993.29
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Gore’s Daddy had not held that seat for 24 years.
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Bush Sr had the white house 8 years earlier.
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Big difference.
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Sure only about 5,000 people alive have a father who had been in either the House or the Senate, but, including Jimmy Carter’s four children, only about thirty people alive have had a daddy who had been president and only five people (he and his four siblings) had had a daddy who had been president within 12 years and was old enough to run for president.
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Compared to Bush’s family, Gore’s family was unconnected.
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Compared to Gore, Bush was completely unknown to government.
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BTW: Abe Lincoln had been a rail road (big business) attorney for close to 20 years and a US Senator before becoming president. He was far from an outsider.

Don’t be more relentlessly stupid than you’ve already shown, rdw. You have been caught in your own contradictions so many times now that it’s not even worth pursuing.
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All anyone needs to do at this point is just read this thread. I’ll go with that.
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Just google “Operation Chaos” and be done with it…

People who had no connections at all and had very modest backgrounds who became president:
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Obama
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Clinton
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Nixon
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Johnson
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Eisenhower
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Truman
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Hoover.
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Notice that Hoover was the only person who is not a Democrat nor called, by today’s standard a RINO.
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What’s that say about who becomes a conservative ready to run for office and win today?
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Not the self made.

“During its time, Operation CHAOS made use of the facilities of other ongoing CIA domestic surveillance programs, many operating under the CIA’s Office of Security, including:[2]

* HTLINGUAL – Directed at letters passing between the United States and the then Soviet Union, the program involved the examination of correspondence to and from individuals or organizations placed on a watchlist.
* Project 2 – Directed at infiltration of foreign intelligence targets by agents posing as dissident sympathizers and which, like CHAOS, had placed agents within domestic radical organizations for the purposes of training and establishment of dissident credentials.
* Project MERRIMAC – Designed to infiltrate domestic antiwar and radical organizations thought to pose a threat to security of CIA property and personnel.
* Project RESISTANCE – Worked with college administrators, campus security and local police to identify anti-war activists and political dissidents without any infiltration taking place
* Domestic Contact Service – Focused on collecting foreign intelligence from willing Americans.”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS
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Interesting.

You missed the point, again rdw!
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That was just a sample of how you do not have to sacrifice any conservative principles to make the GOP more appealing to Black conservative voters.
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And the advantage gained would be insurmountable into the future…

Patrick:
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Do you get the feeling that we are herding cats?
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This guy tries to weasel out though the tiniest cracks…

“You do know operation was about getting people to leave the GOP and register as democrat?”
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Operation Chaos was?
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“Operation CHAOS or Operation MHCHAOS was the code name for a domestic espionage project conducted by the Central Intelligence Agency. A department within the CIA was established in 1967 on orders from President of the United States Lyndon B. Johnson and later expanded under President Richard Nixon. The operation was launched under Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) Richard Helms, by chief of counter-intelligence, James Jesus Angleton, and headed by Richard Ober. The program’s goal was to unmask possible foreign influences on the student antiwar movement.[1][2] The “MH” designation is to signify the program had a worldwide area of operations.”
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Richard Nixon wanted people to leave the Republican Party to become Democrats?

“72.4

Patrick. You’ll have to just trust me on this. Gore lost. Kerry was awful.”
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Seeing your reasoning, I would sooner trust Strategic Air Defense to a guy high on heroin than trust you reasoning.
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IOW: Gore won, Kerry was on the verge of winning if it weren’t for Bush’s fake war and the lies paid for by T Boon Pickens about Kerry’s war record.

Hell, yes.
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A gain of four to seven million votes would be an eight to fourteen million vote swing.
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And that is enormous in politics.
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It’s abundantly clear that you dislike Black conservative voters so much that you are willing to forego truly enormous potential gains in the future.
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I wonder why that is…
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Wrong chaos patsy.
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-5 spun quite a narrative with that last bit there about his BIL. I suspect he’s either flat out lying or delirious.

That huge spunk knot in the center of your forehead may require some medical attention there fitty.

“This guy tries to weasel out though the tiniest cracks…”
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Like a cockroach of debating, squeezing through every crack in the wall he should get trapped by.
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Cats aren’t as intellectually dishonest.

Check out 58. I’ve spackled that crack.
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Looks like we are slowly taking away every nook and cranny this roach can use as an escape.
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That’s the only thing keeping me here…

he has “decided” that the majority of Black Americans don’t feel it’s insulting.
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I decided no such thing. I decided there’s no racism. I decided Rush baited the entire race baiting crowd. He hoisted them on their own petard. He set a perfect trap and executed it well. I said that some blacks chose to be insulted and that’s their problem. I don’t care. They should have gotten the facts and thought it through for themselves. Shame on them. I also said as an election issue I think blacks as a group have marginalized themselves.

Even using your example of AA it’s not an issue with the GOP. It’s not on the radar. It’s a judicial issue and looks to be ended soon.

It might be if i expressed a disbelief a black man could have done well
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Except, of course, that you have.
Here you go: Combine this: “What is clear is Obama was an affrimative action over ride” with this: That’s the point, we don’t have evidence he earned it on merit”. You are assuming that Obama was an Affirmative Action over-ride, all the while admitting that there is no evidence. Yes, that’s very strong evidence that you don’t think blacks can do well without help.

“I decided there’s no racism.”
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I hate to tell you this, but you simply cannot decide for the Black community what they find insulting.
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I’ve related to you how they feel, and no more.
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You on the other hand have decided?
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That’s in contradiction to what you had already admitted to way back at 29:
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“If every black in America wants to get outraged at Rush that’s their right. He knew precisely the reaction he’d get. He predicted it and the usual suspects acted just as predicted right on cue. You are like trained seals.”
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Gotcha!

“Wrong chaos patsy.”
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Nonsense.
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“-5 spun quite a narrative with that last bit there about his BIL. I suspect he’s either flat out lying or delirious.”
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Nonsense.
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“That huge spunk knot in the center of your forehead may require some medical attention there fitty.”
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Nonsense. It just makes no sense.
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I think you are just one shot from passing out and waking up in a pool of your own vomit.
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Have that one last shot for us two thirds.
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You’re so drunk you think you can see 53′s home in Washington state from your home in Baltimore.
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One more shot.

He’s a doozer, this one, Patrick…

clarence Page did not write the column. You have no idea what you are talking about do you? Barak the magic negro was a term coined by a columnist for the LA Times. You should goggle it.

If it ain’t the brainiac…

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Let’s call it a draw RDW.

“I also said as an election issue I think blacks as a group have marginalized themselves.”
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Explain.
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You’ll have to be able to wish away four to seven million votes. Not easy, but give it a try…

It’s not his problem how they perceive it. The song is not racist. He’s picking up a theme developed elsewhere. If they are upset they should go to the source.

I’ll let him call it a draw too.
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Not because he won any of the debate, but because he just is too relentless in his ignorance.
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Just too many cracks to spackle, Patrick…

rush limbaugh is the most influencial conservative in the world. He actively supports conservative candidates over liberals. Since the GOP is home to conservatives they benefit from his efforts. He is not a player in the management of the GOP in any way.
Joe Klein is a partisan hack.

The pool of vomit came earlier when you posted your pics patsy. God what a pathetic loser. Inspector gadget called and wants you to return his coat.

patrick, get Bush out of your head. It’s not healthy. Abe was never a Senator.

Patrick. we never had a president Gore.

I can see from your writing that Johnny Walker called and took your brain.
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Sober up.
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If this is sober, then maybe you should go back to being a drunk.

patrick, the 1st conservative President was Reagan. Nixon and Ford were not conservatives. Reagan was the only self-made man among all you named. Clinton and Obama are career politicians. Neither were successful outside politics. They’re not considered self made men.

We never had a president Tildon, either, but that does not mean that he did not win the vote.
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Nominee Rutherford B. Hayes Samuel J. Tilden
Party Republican Democratic
Home state Ohio New York
Running mate William Almon Wheeler Thomas Andrews Hendricks
Electoral vote 185 184
States carried 20 18
Popular vote 4,036,572 4,284,020
Percentage 47.9% 51.0%
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1876
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If you had a decent US History class you would know that this is the second, not the first time that the winner of the popular vote did not become president.

wow…

“patrick, the 1st conservative President was Reagan. Nixon and Ford were not conservatives.”
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That makes no sense.
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Most historians would say that both Washington and John Adams were conservatives.
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If you define “conservative” to mean “exactly what Ronald Reagan believed and nothing different” then Ronald Reagan was the only conservative in history and conservatism is dead.
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Reagan got lucky in Hollywood.
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Nearly 100% of all successful actors will tell what separates the Harrison Ford from the waiters is not usually skill but luck.
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The overwhelming majority of people who audition for movie roles are very, very talented professionals.

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Ronald Reagan was not one of them, but he looked good and had a cool sounding voice and spent the rest of his life patting himself on the back calling himself “self made”.

patrick, operation chaos wasn’t a real ‘operation’. rush wanted to screw up the Democratic primaries by having republicans reregister as democrats to vote for hillary and extend the process. he called it his operation chaos.

It failed.

i’ve explained it. kerry got 92% of the black vote and still lost. bush didn’t need blacks. obama didn’t win on the black vote. he won on independents. of all those votes how many are urban? The RNC won’t spend a dime in philly. These votes are not in play. you go after independents. Because of their near total affiliation with democrats they are not an attractive group to look for new votes.

got what?

Let’s look up Barack the Magic Negro:
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“Barack the Magic Negro”[2] is a song by American political satirist Paul Shanklin who wrote and recorded it for the Rush Limbaugh Show as satire after it was first applied to presidential candidate Obama by movie and culture critic, David Ehrenstein, in a Los Angeles Times op ed column of March 19, 2007. It was played numerous times in 2007 and 2008 by Rush Limbaugh and appeared on the 2008 album We Hate the USA. It is sung by Shanklin to the tune of “Puff, the Magic Dragon”. Shanklin impersonates black activist Al Sharpton, who regretfully sings that white people will vote for Barack Obama for President instead of Sharpton, because Obama is a magical Negro (a term previously popularized by Spike Lee[3]), not a real black man from the “hood”.”
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So, the first time the words were used, they were by Spike Lee referring to a type of movie character and 0% similar to what Limbaugh was talking about.
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It was David Ehrenstein who said that, not Lee.
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Who is David Ehrenstein?
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“David Ehrenstein (born February 18, 1947) is an American critic who focuses primarily on issues of homosexuality in cinema.”
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Ehrenstein was born in New York City. His father was a secular Jew with Polish ancestors, and his mother was of African American and Irish descent.[1] His mother raised him in her religion, Roman Catholicism.[1] He attended the High School of Music and Art (different from the Fiorello H. LaGuardia High School of Music & Art and Performing Arts)[1] and then Pace College (now Pace University). He now lives in Los Angeles.”
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This is a gay man who is about one quarter black and did not write as a joke, but compared a Spike Lee concept of a character to then Senator Obama.
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Ehrenstein responded to the latest controversy on his blog, attacking Republicans for still playing the song and passing it along as Christmas gifts.

“As everyone knows Whites feel no guilt about America’s racist history whatsoever,” Ehrenstein wrote. “All they care about is the appearance of politesse — the slimy veneer of “good manners.”

“Clearly the Rep8blican party (racist to its very core) is “split” over what to do in the wake of having lost so much political capital.”"
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1342198/david_ehrenstein_responds_to_new_barack.html?cat=9
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Okay, so the author of Barack the Magic Negro thinks you are a racist down to your core.
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Happy to be called a racist?
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You BEGGED us to find that quote.

RDW.
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Stop.
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You lost.
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Look at 81.
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I, actually, had no idea that the author of that quote would call YOU and ALL Republicans racist.
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I wouldn’t say that.
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53_3 wouldn’t.
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Just look at the post and leave it to die.

You on the other hand have decided?

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yes, it’s called making up ones own mind. I have reviewed the facts, going back to the original column in the LA Times and there is no racism here. It does not matter if 0 or 1 or 1M blacks agree with me. I know what racism is. I don’t need help.

why are you avoiding printing the column?

THis is actually funny. Think about it. This guy is pissed Rush too his column and made it famous.

Here goes pat, you did some selective editing didn’t you:

Background

The magical Negro is an archetype which was first applied to presidential candidate Obama by movie and culture critic, David Ehrenstein, in a Los Angeles Times op ed column of March 19, 2007. According to Ehrenstein, the magical Negro is a non threatening black hero in the popular media, usually the cinema, who was invented to ease feelings of white guilt over slavery and racial injustice. He is noble and devoid of sexual motives, and appears suddenly, out of nowhere, to magically solve the problems of white people.

Ehrenstein opined that “Obama’s fame right now has little to do with his political record or what he’s written in his two books, or even what he’s actually said”. Rather, Obama was a popular contender for the presidency because whites were projecting their “fantasies of curative black benevolence” on him.[4]

rdw – clearly this is directed toward white liberals just as Rush said. Pat, why leave this out?

David seems really pissed. I like this the more I think about it. He writes an essay attacking white people and the guy he hates the most makes a great song parody off it that mocks Obama and liberals and generates a ton of publicity.

Happy to be called a racist?

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Where in what you posted is he calling anyone a racist?

“Where in what you posted is he calling anyone a racist?”
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“”Clearly the Rep8blican party (racist to its very core) is “split” over what to do in the wake of having lost so much political capital.”"
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Reading comprehension problems?

Oh gee pat, a film critic from NTC calling all republicans racist. Wow, never saw that coming. That’s his reaction to the song. In his original column he goes after white people who like Obama because he aussages their guilt. That’s white liberals.

on my 1st read I thought you added the parenthesis. It seems odd in a quote because it is odd, If that’s what he said you should not use patenthesis.

BTW: liberals have been calling conservatives racists for 40 years. It has no effect.

Stop.
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You are failing to make sense now.
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The one who hates white guilt considers the Republican party “Racist to it’s very core”.
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53_3 among many others are nowhere near that harsh on Republicans as I am not.
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If one is racist, one would find Republican politics far, far easier than Democratic politics.
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If one is not racist, they may be comfortable in either party based upon many, many different opinions.
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Hence, the huge majority of Republicans are not racist yet, nearly all racists who participate in politics are Republican.

We’re supposed to care that a 1/4 negro homo calls us racist?
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You need to find another hobby patsy.

It was a joke and it got Hillary a lot of votes.

“You need to find another hobby patsy.”
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Maybe I could learn bass guitar and be too poor all of my life to send my son to college?
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Actually, I tried bass guitar when I was 14 and didn’t like it much.
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Maybe you should go back to drinking if you haven’t already two thirds.

But calling the person who calls you a racist as the source of your best advertising material is a new low.

No, the 1st and most obvious thing is Obama is as white as he is black. The 2nd thing is the press is obviously hiding on this. There is no other logical reason.

Classy

“on my 1st read I thought you added the parenthesis. It seems odd in a quote because it is odd, If that’s what he said you should not use patenthesis.”
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Brackets [ ] imply something was added into the quote.
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Parenthesis, spelling errors and typos always belong to the original author in standard American English grammar and punctuation.
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Also, I would not have added that since I have never said that.
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I said what I said above: If one is racist, they will be comfortable being apolitical or Republican.
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If one is not racist, they may be comfortable in either party.

patricksartor,

Liberals were once proud Americans with the country’s best interests at heart, but something happened in the mid-1960s. Radical leftists began to undermine the Democrat party which weakened it to the point where the sitting Democrat refused to run for re-election and the Democrat candidate was so damaged by the infighting that Richard Nixon won. By 1972 the radicals had taken control of the Democrat party and have held sway to this day.

The American people do not like liberalism, so Democrats pretend to be moderates in order to get elected. This strategy worked in 06 and 08 but failed in 10.

The United States is a center right country and does not wish to become another European Socialist State. That is why Obama has lost his popularity.

huh?

We’re talking about Ehrenstein the source of Rushy’s best advertising calling ALL REPUBLICANS “Racist to their core”.
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Go back to bed two thirds.

pat, all liberals call conservatives racists. It’s background noise. It has no meeting. It’s frustrated people venting. I know if I am a racist or not. No one else is going to tell me. It’s actually funny because people like you who use the term so often also call for civility. As with so many things the comment says more about the speaker. Classy it’s not.

“pat, all liberals call conservatives racists.”
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I’m sorry, which planet did you say you lived on?
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You’re superhuman powers from your home planet do not work with earthling liberals.
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Your ability to follow me using psychic powers has failed. If you were omniscient I not only have never said that all Republicans are racist, but I, also, never heard a liberal say this.
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Did you know that all Republicans are Mel Gibson?
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No, not just a little bit, you are all EXACTLY like Mel Gibson.
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So, when are you going to stop beating your wife, RDW?

Hence, the huge majority of Republicans are not racist yet, nearly all racists who participate in politics are Republican.

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Charles Krauthammer is the best commentator of this age. Few can describe complex things so accurately and so concisely. He is the Mark Twain of our age. I’ll give you two nuggets.

On understanding political discourse:

Liberals think conservatives are evil, conservatives think liberals are stupid. The ugly smear of racism is quintessentially liberal and stupid. Limbaugh didn’t make a dime although he gets ratings boosts when something does this well. Paul Shanklin made the cash. Limbaugh toys with you. He’s made it into a $40M a year business.

The 2nd nugget explains the crash of the MSM and the rise of Fox It’s about Roger Ailes:

He discovered a niche market, a majority of the American people.

There was that day George Clooney pines for when the 3 anchors watched over us telling us what we needed to know and how to think. But that day is long gone. We see today, often in real time, just how biased and in many cases corrupt these ‘gatekeepers’ are. Joe Klein is ultra liberal and a shameless Clinton groupie.

Americans don’t want this. you and Joe want our elites to run America. Americans prefer to run it themselves. We want to be self-governed. Report the fact noting Joe we don’t much care what you think. We’ll make up our own minds. Once we find you your make up your facts or select certain facts as an advocate we’re done. This can take a while but it’s clear we’ve had the most dramatic change in media habits in the shortest amount of time in all of history. Dan Rather cost CBS about 15% market share overnight put them a distant 3rd permanently.

It’s so bad for CBS they’ve either dipped below Bill Oreilly or soon will. We know for a fact all of the decade long trends of shrinking market share are continuing with Couric setting new record lows each year. Last year she dipped below 4.9M often. Oreilly in his two showings will periodically exceeds 5M. Oreilly in his 2nd showing beats the entire MsNBC and CNN lineups. It’s certain during the 2012 campaign CBS will be down as much as 15% from 2008 and lower than Fox in 2012.

Think about that. The MSM still had a large edge in 2004 and still could not cover-up the SBVs. This is why I think Sarah should stay where she’s at until at least 2016 and let time work it’s magic. By 2016 CBS will have an audience under 4M while Oreilly will be as high as 7M.

There’s more. The economics of the Norther blue states are terrible. Illinois just raised income taxes 75%. The tax gap between these Northern states and CA is at historic levels versus the lower tax mostly southern states. It’s not just southern states. Minnesota and Indiana have been very fiscally conservative. There are several large states on the edge of bankruptcy and with this house future bailouts are impossible. Any stimulus to the states will be in the form of stat cuts not piles of money to bail out pension funds. CA, IL and NY are just 3 states in dire position. They have far too high liabilities and expenses and cannot compete with the best 10. States like Michigan have at least 1M too many people and need programs to destroy much of their urban housing that’s now rubble. States like Virginia and Texas are going to eat their lunch.

This is fresh. Coming from the guy who admitted he did not know what net neutrality is, then stated that he had all the facts needed to come to an opinion on it, and the fact that you”re 400 posts into a thread and still have your fingers in your ears, I sincerely doubt you’ve see all the facts.
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Besides, as others have stated, it’s not up to you to determine if others find something racist, regardless of original intent or not.

Consarnit. Once again I don’t check in on the weekend and rdw has gone and vomitted all over a thread.

Also, belligerant drunk (I hope?) 2/3′s is hysterical.

No. 2/3rds is drunk with the knowledge that he can call me a “monkey” without any racial repercussions.
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He’s simply gaga over the prospect that he can say it in marginally polite society again…

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Charles Krauthammer must have had his head on backwards and upside down that morning if he is usually so brilliant. ‘Liberals think conservatives are evil, conservatives think liberals are stupid…”
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Charles Krauthammer seems to be afflicted that morning with a strange illness known only the far right where he believes he can read minds.
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The word “think” should be changed to “say”.
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Who speaks against evil and who speaks against stupidity/ignorance?
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Preachers – especially ones who hold onto the Old Testament tightly (often Evangelical or Baptist) are the ones who preach against evil. (Many other Christians sects preach for good acts – the same thing but much happier.)
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Who speaks against ignorance? Academics.
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Who has the majority of the evangelical preachers and who is nearly owned by the universities?
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So, the ones who think the others are are evil are conservatives and the ones who think the other ones are stupid are liberal.
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To be more accurate, as I said above it is what one says is known, what one thinks is unknown.
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What is racism, evil or stupid?
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Both.
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If you knew biology race is a non-story. So, only ignorant people can be racists.
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So, lets correct your buddy’s statement:
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‘Liberals call conservatives stupid, conservatives call liberals evil…”
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That’s a good place to start.
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Second, I’ve explained to you in vivid detail with link after link after link that state income taxes are at the very bottom of an extremely long list of where one decides to put their business or their home such that some places can with very high local tax rates prosper and other places even they got written a check by the state and local government not to leave would be falling apart.
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Third, as 53_3 says, stop whipping out you ratings every chance you get. Keep it in your pants. We don’t want to see how big you think you ratings are.

Third, as 53_3 says, stop whipping out you ratings every chance you get. Keep it in your pants. We don’t want to see how big you think you ratings are.

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It matters. It was 2004 the MSM tried to protect Kerry from the SBVs and failed.

Project ahead to 2016. My guess is the MSM audience will be down at least 1/3 and Fox up 2/3′s.

Look at this story about Barak the Magic Dragon. You tried to smear Rush and the GOP and got nothing.
Two weeks ago you tried to blame the Arizona shooting on the right wing and got blown out of the water. We’re all watching this braindead civility campaign and even liberals know it’s dumb.

I’ve explained to you in vivid detail with link after link after link that state income taxes are at the very bottom of an extremely long list of where one decides to put their business

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No, you haven’t and you are wrong. Of course the many business that serve the local community like plumbers and retailers have to be in or very near the local community. They’re not the problem. The problem is made obvious by the auto industry. All of the plants built by foreign manufacturers are in the south. The US Auto industry has been crushed. It’s these businesses such as major manufacturers, Intel, GE, John Deere, Boeing who can move around and given the choice between Ca and TX will always take TX. Over time this has a devastating impact.

This is why Philly was so smart to start a process 20 years ago of incremental but continual decreases to the city wage taxes, business taxes and an aggressive plan to transfer many city functions to the private sector such as all of it’s sports facilities, a majority of recreational and parks facilities and important landmarks such as the Art Museum, Memorial Hall, the Water works, etc. City govt has shrunk substantially as a percent of city GDP. More impressive is this 20 year process is still on trend as they’ve developed a very successful partnership with the major corporations to get them to help fund and manage these various foundations to prune the City payroll and budget.

At the same time LA and CA have moved in the opposite direction. Thru last Sept CA lost nearly 110k
jobs the prior year while Texas gained 120K. If you know anything about CA they have crushing liabilities and this congress will be belligerent in making sure no federal dollars are transferred from savvy states to spendthrift states. If CA wants to give it’s retirees great pensions that’s fantastic. They’ll pay for them not the rest of us.

Partrick,

compare Krauthammer with krugman. That’s about the relative difference between the conservative media and liberal media. CK go this medical degree from harvard and shortly there after suffered a devastating accident leaving him paralyzed. He went into physhariatry which he said prepared him well for covering politics. Famous for his exceptional writing skill and wit he is considered the most influencial columnist on the right. His counterpart on the left is a nobel prize winning buffoon. He wrote a column blaming the right for the shooting before he had a single fact. He’s an idiot. Even if he was right that’s still stupid. At best it’s irresponsible. He like Thomas L Freidman aren’t even taken seriously any more.

FWIW I liked CKs line explaining Fox discovering a niche market better. Except now Juan Williams doesn’t cringe.

To be more accurate, as I said above it is what one says is known, what one thinks is unknown.

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So when you say something it’s totally independent of what you actually think? Your brain and mouth have no connection?

Well,

Who speaks against ignorance? Academics

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You have the cognitive level of a child. That’s it? Only academics speak against ignorance? So everyone else is for ignorance? Well it sure seems your parents were all for it. Clearly they passed it on.

You will want to read the whole thing. In its own way it provides tacit support for the proposition that the Department of Justice has declined under the leadership of Eric Holder. One final note: The new (Saturday) Review section of the Wall Street Journal, where Judge Mukasey’s review appeared, has quickly made itself indispensable reading

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Mukasey is the former Attorney General under Bush. What I am calling your attention to is the expanding roll of the WSJ outside the business political area as more of a full time news daily in more direct competition with the NYTs which it outsells two to one.
Along with the emergence of Talk radio and cable is a robust conservative bookselling industry complete with it’s own best selling lists and goto review pages. While the NYTs is still the largest many conservative authors no longer bother to even forward them a copy for review. Most often they don’t review conservative writers even when they hit #1 on their own best seller list. .

What has happened is these writers are able to do an extensive tour getting good publicity on national and local talk radio shows as well as the usual cable circuit. It’s a huge advantage for a writer to do talk radio just before the tour to get on and inform a large audience they’ll be in Borders in Chester County wed might at 7PM ti drive a nice crowd. There are now large publishers with divisions dedicated toward the conservative market. This is how Jonah Golberg was able to get his book liberal fascism at #1 on the NYTs best seller list two different times without the NYTs ever reviewing it. The second time was after Glen Beck read it, loved it and devoted a series of shows to it.

This is how Amity Schales book, “The forgotten man’ debunking the myths of the New Deal as successful economically did so well. This point here is liberals do not appreciate just how badly the MSM is shrinking. It’s TV, Radio. Newspapers, Magazines, Books, etc.

BTW: Eric Holder is getting consideration as the most inept AG ever. His recommendations on Gitmo have been a disaster. Obama didn’t follow-up on a single promise nor even come close. There was never a chance KSM was going to NYC. His dismissal of the black panther case was bonehead stupid and will be a festering sore thru 2012.

Besides, as others have stated, it’s not up to you to determine if others find something racist, regardless of original intent or not.

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Nor have I suggested otherwise. MY point is I made my own mind up and it doesn’t matter how someone else made their mind up. The fact you think Rush is racist doesn’t have anything to do with what I think. That’s why he has such a huge audience after being branded a racist more than 20 years ago. His audience doesn’t consult with you.

Liberals use the charge so often, with little or no evidence often, and are wrong so often the smear has become background noise. It’s the story of chicken little warning the sky is falling when it isn’t.

Of course there was always a 2nd issue here and that was the basis for the trap. Rush and everyone else knows how the race baiters cower white liberals in so ,many ways you have to feel sorry for them. Limbaughs regular bits on the Justice Brothers are his depictions of how Jessi Jackson and Al Sharpton have become very wealthy men hustling on race. They are extortion artists and their marks are white liberals. IN this example Rush developed a song parody repeating a point made by an LA Times columnist calling Barak a magic negro because he’s so much less threatening he makes them fell better about themselves. Rush knew it was a provacative column that had it been written by him would have generated a thousand heart attacks. So he waited a bit and essentially repeated the column exposing the preposterous double standard. If you think Rush was racist so was the LA Times. Either you are just as outraged as them or you are a total fraud.

This gets to your bigger problem. This is logical enough for a child to follow. It’s clear what Rush did. He was his usual 5 steps ahead of you. This is another example of liberals playing a race card that has no business being played. The sky is not falling. The card is worn out.

No. But the two are not identical, either.
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Secondly, I can and have proven what you said but can prove what you think.
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Saying to somebody that all members of group A think 1 and the person you say that to is a part of a group A and does not think 1, then you sound/look like a failed psychic.
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Stating that many of group A including these specific individuals think 1, then it sounds/looks like you are a reasonable debater.

Teacher academic opposes ignorance AT WORK.
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A Minister speaks again evil AT WORK.
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A private sector workers serves profits AT WORK.
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Yes, academics are against evilness while away from work as do private sector workers….
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But there is no doubt here in Swampland that people call your ideas stupid, not evil.
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This is 100% typical of my experience of liberals dealing with extremely conservative ideologues.

“Stating that many of group A including these specific individuals think 1, then it sounds/looks like you are a reasonable debater.”
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Now you’ve got me exchanging said for think.
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“Stating that many of group A including these specific individuals say 1, then it sounds/looks like you are a reasonable debater.”

“You will want to read the whole thing. In its own way it provides tacit support for the proposition that the Department of Justice has declined under the leadership of Eric Holder.”
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Who wants to read this?
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I never got involved with anything involving AG Holder.
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I thought John Edwards would have been perfect for the job before he got caught cheating on his wife.

It was two weeks ago we went over everything.
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Debating you is like debating a wall.
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No facts make you move your position on anything.
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I feel like I am debating a child about Santa Clause, but, substitute the wonderful man from Chris Cringle to Ronald Reagan.

The post isn’t really about holder. It’s about the economy of scale of the conservative press. Fore example Bush and Cheney were the 1st two Executives to openly dismiss the NYTs. Presidents gave them special access and consideration to try to stay in a positive light. Bush and Cheney didn’t hide the fact they loathed the NYTs as much as the NYTs loathed them. The point above is conservative writers don’t bother with the NYTs book review. They bypass the times and most publishing houses for conservative outlets. Conservatives now have a superior process for advertising and selling books by using the cables and talk radio as well as the NYTs and National Review and the Weekly Standard.

Patrick, CA is losing about 10,000 jobs a month while Texas is gaining10,000 jobs a month. Clearly taxation and regulation and energy cost are critical for job creation.

RDW56,
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Do you realize that you do three things which are really, really annoying.
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First, you come back to posts after everybody has left and start spouting out statements for people like me to come back to and find disagreements with.
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Second, you never, ever change your POV regardless of facts.
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I swear for people like you if Sarah Palin was seen on live TV shooting down innocent civilians with a gun you’d find some way to say that she was not guilty and, worse yet, blame Democrats.
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You never admit any kind of a fault with the Republican Party.
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Contrast that to what Democrats have to say about Obama. He is always being called a sell out by at least half of the Democrats here. It is well established that the way he watered down the stimulus package both in size and the means to do so and how it included inefficient tax cuts that no Democrats here are pleased with it.
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Yet you have never found any imperfections with the Republican Party and when there is an in-your-face obvious error on the part of Republicans or your conservative theories you just deny them.
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For example, taxes are a factor in the success or failure of a state or a municipality, but a factor far, far beneath geographic factors including what the city or state specializes in such as agricultural and industrial states will continue to do awful since agriculture is not a big money maker and will never be a big money maker again and heavy industry and assembly is done abroad for the indefinite future.
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Also, as in NYC among other places, high taxes in exchange for high quality service makes the taxes a wash. The exception December 26th with one of the largest storms ever to hit NYC with a decreased Department of Sanitation workforce was a huge deal for New Yorkers since we are accustomed to low crime, clean streets and at least some of the public schools to be nationally renown. There is not a reaction that taxes need to be cut. It is a reaction to the 12/26 storm that services must be improved.
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Third, you seem to have no ability to refrain from entering into about nineteen different topics in each of your long posts.
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If we are discussing Sarah Palin, maybe bringing up something about Palin being similar to Reagan might work, but Al Gore, for example, is unrelated to Sarah Palin. They did not exist on the national stage at the same time.

Second, you never, ever change your POV regardless of facts.

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My POV is based on facts. Such as high tax differencials drive a significant competitive advantage to the lower tax entity.

My POV is based on facts
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Like when you admitted you don’t know what net neutrality is and yet still continued to argue against what you thought it was?

I made no attempt to argue the content of net neutrality. I rejected the entire idea of the FCC regulating the internet in ANY WAY. I’d cut the FCC budget by 90%.

You never admit any kind of a fault with the Republican Party.

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I have countless problems with the GOP. I identify myself as a conservative not a republican. That said parties have limitations and will always disappoint because they have to compromise according to the design of the system.

Palin being similar to Reagan might work, but Al Gore, for example, is unrelated to Sarah Palin. They did not exist on the national stage at the same time.

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This makes no sense. Reagan was dead before Palin moved to the national stage. It’s great to compare Palin and Gore. You list Gore as one of the greatest minds of our age and Palin as a moron. The reverse is true. I will use Gore and Kerry as example of liberal stupidity at every opportunity. They’re perfect.

BTW; Even when I refer to Prince Albert, it’s not about Prince Albert. It’s about you. You foam at the mouth because Bush was born into a wealthy family as if that is a bad thing and then go vote for Al Gore. That’s just bonehead stupid. He was born a prince. He lived a prince. Everything he has came from his Daddy. It’s pure hackery.

Also, as in NYC among other places, high taxes in exchange for high quality service makes the taxes a wash

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You are living in a dream world. Nice place to visit. never want to live there and damn sure not raise a family there. Everyone in NYC with money sends their kids to private schools. NYC was never famous for high quality services only a rebound under Rudy who created a very, very conservative police force that was very successful. NYCs police policies are the precise opposite of liberal dogma.

Which just proves my point further. You rejected the entire idea out of hand without any information as to what it actually entails. You refuse to educate yourself what you are arguing against. The claim that you base your opinions on facts is laughable at best.
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I’ve said it once, I’ll say it again: net neutrality is not about “regulating” the internet. You can continue to stick your fingers in your ears like a petulant child, but it does not change this fact.

Yet you have not once deviated from the party line. Everything you write is straight from the party’s mouth.

Actually all conservatives have major problems with the GOP. The surge in spending started under Bush. No Child was Bush nonsense. Its the same thing with liberals and your party. To be liberal or conservative is to be ideological. To be a republican or conservative is to be political. You can’t be pure in either party.

net neutrality is internet neutrality. I don’t want the FCC anywhere near the internet.

Why?
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I’ve explained, to great lengths, my what net neutrality is and my position on it. I could go on and on about it even further, but you’d just continue to ignore it like everything else.
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So I’ll say it again: why? Why do you think that? Why is it bad? As it stand now, the extent of your argument is “Regulation is bad” and you don’t even know what the “regulation” entails.
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Until you can answer that, I’m done with this.

I cannot understand why this is remotely complicated. I think the FCC is anti-freedom. Why do we need an FCC? Cut their budget by 95% and allow them to function as a clearing house for the spectrum with NO.
say as to what is on the spectrum.

The internet is booming without the FCC. Keep them away.

I cannot understand why this is remotely complicated. I think the FCC is anti-freedom.

Why?

Why do we need an FCC? Cut their budget by 95% and allow them to function as a clearing house for the spectrum with NO.
say as to what is on the spectrum.

The hilarious thing is, that’s the entire point of net neutrality. The entire purpose of the FCC’s (and now the new bill from Franken) proposal is to make it so ISPs also have no say on what is on the “spectrum,” ie, internet, to make them the dumb pipes that they should be.
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Once again, you have lots of fancy buzzwords, but absolutely no substance behind it as to why you take those positions.