Unemployment and 2012

If Barack Obama is going to be re-elected in 2012, it’s pretty clear that unemployment in America will have to come down from its current level of 9.4 percent. (Obviously this isn’t a precise science, but I agree we’re most likely talking about a number closer to eight than nine.)

But there’s the national number, and then there are the state-by-state numbers. And an added headache for Obama and his strategists is that the good economic news tends to be clustered in non-competitive 2012 states. Whereas some of the worst news can be found in states that Obama will be relying on to win in 2012.

Consider the states enjoying below-average unemployment: the Dakotas, Nebraska, Hawaii, Vermont, Wyoming (to name a few). All are either solid red or solid blue, and almost nothing will change them.

By contrast, several 2008 battleground states (are we still allowed to call them “battlegrounds”?) clock in at or above average. There’s the electorally all-important Florida, mired at 12 percent and still headed in the wrong direction. At 9.8 percent, also-vital Ohio is almost a point above the national average. Obama stole North Carolina from the GOP in 2008, but that will be harder in 2012 given its current 9.7 percent rate. And the hardest-hit state in America, at 14.3 percent, is purply Nevada. (At 12.4 percent Michigan is in dire straits as well, though Obama will presumably get credit there for having rescued the automakers.)

The list offers some bright spots for Obama: Virginia and Minnesota are both doing okay, in relative terms. But mostly what you find is that the national average is being pulled down by a bunch of fairly healthy states that won’t matter in 2012. So as you hear people debate the role of unemployment in the next presidential election, remember that all politics is local.

Complete state-by-state chart after the jump.

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  • http://www.stevebeste.com Steve Beste

    Michael, in electorally important Florida, for the past 12 years, Republican Governors and Republican Legislatures have been in control of the State.

    That fact is not lost on Florida voters.

  • Ivy_B

    As in previous post about the proposed Republican cuts, I hope that some publicity is given to the fact that many of the spending cuts (some of them compromises that Democrats agreed to in order to have various legislation passed) have required trickle down cuts in education and in state budgets.

  • gysgt213

    I guess Obama has a problem then because he has ceded whatever power he had to do something about unemployment a long time ago to the republicans. So if America in its wisdom puts a republican in the WH. Things won’t be done much different than they are done now.

  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    Though unemployment had fallen to about 7.2% by the time of the election in 1984, unemployment under Reagan was actually a tad higher for the last 2 years of his first term than it is now.

  • nflfoghorn

    Yes, but our new governor, Rick Croo–
    oops, Thursday–Scott has promised 700K jobs in seven years, AND a tax cut. We’re waiting for him to pull all of this out of his…
    .
    [reminder that it's Thursday again]
    .
    …hat.

  • nflfoghorn

    Elections are broken down state-by-state but you never hear about that, do you? It’s always one mega-poll-fits-all.

  • nflfoghorn

    By “ceded” do you mean the tax-cut plan or some other way?

  • http://tisias.wordpress.com tisias

    The solution to Obama’s job woes can be solved if he reinvests in education, infrastructure, and energy in those problem states, in a way that saves money. Tall order, yes but it could help.

  • deconstructiva

    MC, the unemployment rate is neither 8% nor 9%. It’s over 16%. The U-6 rate is the correct rate: closest to total # out of full-time work. The MSM (and even BLS) for some reason loves the lower / incomplete / misleading U-3 …perhaps because the overall picture looks less gloomy at 9% vs. 16%? Please quote the right numbers.
    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm
    (this is a footnote to the link MC provided)
    .
    …now how to solve this problem?

  • CP in FL

    I am not sure that Obama’s chances at getting re-elected are tied directly to the unemployment number. What does Obama have to do with the unemployment rate in Florida? I would think that the people of Florida would blame the Republican governor and legislators who have been running Florida for over a decade.

    Also, the reason that a large enough stimulus package to help the unemployed was not passed was because of Republicans in the Senate blocking the bill. I also do not see the house passing any sort of stimulus now that the Republicans are in control.

    The federal government should create a civil service program that would provide a job for anyone in this country that wants a job and cannot find one. There are plenty of roads, bridges, and buildings that need repair. Let the money come from a new tax on the richest 5 percent of the country.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Jobs don’t seem to be a priority for either party now. Besides, there is another election to fight.

  • CP in FL

    Excellent point decon!

  • paulejb

    Steve Beste,

    That must be why the Florida voters elected a Republican governor, US Senator and several US House members.

  • deconstructiva

    You’re right, CP: lots of work to do, let’s fix our infrastructure. Maybe we can recreate the WPA. In case Galtians and glibertarians freak out, just like the Bush Tax Cuts™ give the New WPA a 10-yr. life span, not forever. Of course, the R’s won’t allow it; they don’t care if everyone’s back to work.

  • nflfoghorn

    Well, we HAVE elected four Republican governors since ’86. And our legislature is compliant to business needs.
    [see also 1.1]

  • nflfoghorn

    The governor and Legislature are required to balance our budget every year. Now we’re facing a $3B shortfall. As to the voters’ penchant, let’s just say that as long as you’re a multi-millionaire who can afford to buy enough TV ads to cover a multitude of sins, then we (i.e. the majority) got what we wanted.

  • garylk

    Rick Scott met with Jack Nicklaus today to discuss building more golf courses in Florida. I’m expecting a great migration of greenskeepers, ballwashers and caddies as they all rush to get their piece of the action in the Sunshine State.

  • nflfoghorn

    A chicken in every pot…a 19th hole in every back yard.
    This was the guy who promised us an economic plan, of which to date we still haven’t received. Waiting on the State of the State address I guess.
    .
    My hatred for–er, deep dissatisfaction with–Baldy–I mean, the Hairless One–grows by the day, but today is Thursday.

  • nflfoghorn

    …and I don’t think tweeting for help will help much.
    .
    http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/content/scott-florida-tweet-me

  • mikew67

    You see, in EricCantorWorld the 2001 tax cuts were a smashing success. Why, so much prosperity Trickled Down after that giveaway to the wealthiest Americans, that almost nobody is unemployed now…

    Sad part: Dupes who fall for it.

    Balkingpoints / www

  • 53_3

    I don’t think that unemployment is going to rule the airwaves in 2012 regardless of it’s level unless it is extreme and if the cause is clearly defined.
    .
    I don’t think that the far right will gain enough traction in this narrow range. The GOP field is currently too weak, which may have a greater impact, or at least as significant.

  • chupkar

    Well, Obama just got how many billion in exports in a deal with China? Will eventually create 275k jobs. WHat has Boehner and crew been working on? Oh, yeah, making sure we don’t have any way to get health insurance if underemployed or poor or sick.

    I know historically re-elections are tied to unemployment, but the Rs seriously have to present some kind of even half decent plans or candidates. Tick tock. It’s 2011 and I’m not seeing a Reagan on the horizon yet.

  • sacredh

    I think another factor in Obama’s re-election push might be whether the republican controlled house is viewed as a plus or minus by the electorate. If they are seen as a positive force with concrete ideas, it will spell trouble for Obama. If they stick to “cut taxes and everything else will just fall into place”, I see it as helping Obama. The republican nominee is going to play the biggest factor though IMHO. There are just so many wild cards that could change things at the last minute that it’s hard to even make a half-assed prediction right now. Bin Laden getting captured or mounting another successful attack. Obama’s response and how it’s perceived. The DOW either dropping or rising sharpley before the election, an October surprise that really is a surprise for either party, a homegrown terrorist attack…just about anything could make a crucial difference.

  • deconstructiva

    Recent news aside, unemployment is extreme: it’s 16%, NOT 9% (U-6). Just that alone changes the story, yes? I still don’t know why the MSM and BLS insist on lower numbers. If the Villagers still cling to the wrong numbers, maybe someone from here might break ranks. Imagine a TIME dead-tree cover, “Oops! Unemployment is Really 16%, NOT 9% Why Are YOU Being Mislead?” by Kate Pickert, Katy Steinmetz, and Jay Newton-Small. Or have KT and Ezra Klein expose this at WaPo. Better yet, have both teams duel it out and watch Tweety have a seizure on-air (literally). Imagine the fainting couches in DC….

  • 53_3

    I’m not surprised by those numbers. The caveat that the current figures don’t include those that have dropped out of the job market altogether has never really been paid attention to.
    .
    Looks like CP in FL anticipated my and I never noticed!

  • sacredh

    Let’s throw in another unknown, the Michelle factor. She’s pretty popular and we really don’t know how much she’s going to be on the trail either with Barack or by herself campaigning on her own.

  • 53_3

    This is a major point. We and Obama are in serious trouble if the electorate sees things their way.
    .
    It’s not to far-fetched to imagine them pulling it off. Up until the election it seemed they could do anything – anything at all – and sell it to the American people.

  • kbanginmotown

    Thanks for your continuing efforts to get the U-6 numbers recognized.

  • 53_3

    Shhh. MO in 2016…

  • kbanginmotown

    …just deleted a paragraph-long rant that read: Michelle factor? WTF, sacred? Do you seriously think that Bachmann has a chance?!?
    .
    In the words of Emily LeTella…never mind!

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    As long as this is true, Obama deserves to sweat his legacy term.

    And cripes village parlance is enervating.

  • kbanginmotown

    The good news on the Congressional side is that many of the controversial laws that have been passed in the last 2 years will be non-issues in 2012. (With the exception, perhaps, of cap-and-trade.)
    .
    The dog whistles will settle down, which will hopefully put the focus back on an improving economy.

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks! But I give full credit to Barbara Kiviat and Justin Fox when they worked here at TIME.

  • 53_3

    I disagree that Barack is working wholly for Wall Street, jcapan. It is a strong perception in the Black community that he is sacrificing them at the altar of political expediency – which may be true.
    .
    We have very high unemployment amongst Black youth here(and White youth – but not as bad).
    .
    I’ve seen a lot of my friends and family bend over backward to assimilate, and a lot of obstacles still stand in their way.
    .
    This isn’t really something that can continue unabated. Obama is not universally well looked upon, but they aren’t translating into GOP votes.
    .
    If the GOP ever does learn to resolve that problem, the Democratic party stands to lose between 40 and 60 percent of their vote.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Fitty, while I don’t disagree with Ford’s read, I really just wanted to highlight that brilliant cartoon.
    .
    And if you’re right about this, “It is a strong perception in the Black community that he is sacrificing them at the altar of political expediency,” then Obama should be pleased. That’s the narrative the party wants to get across to loyal dems, that it’s about expediency as opposed to policy/intent. e.g. What Digby said:
    .
    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/01/solidifying-our-losses.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
    .
    Anyway, let’s not forget that nearly 50% of the 40 million + Americans in poverty are white. A democratic party worthy of the name would represent all of their interests. Sadly, that ship has sailed, likely for good.

  • allthingsinaname

    with GOP controlled house what can he do?

  • sasquatch08

    “…we’re most likely talking about a number closer to eight than nine.”
    .
    Try a number closer to 6% or 7% and showing signs of continuing to drop by 1012.
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    Americans are not going to stand for the high levels of unemployment that Europeans stand for. Unlike those lazy douches we actually like to work, and we don’t complain about it unless we’re from California.

  • sasquatch08

    Unless we’re public sector employee unions members… in which case we’re more than willing to bleed the rest you dry for our our self interest for as little benefit to the rest of you as we can afford to provide.
    .
    We’ve got timesheets! We provided you with HOURS, we don’t have to provide anything that you can actually use!

  • ricardo4max

    Exactly SQ !

  • ricardo4max

    If Obama wins re-election in 2012 there is most certainly an organized effort of voter fraud. There is absolutely no way that a majority of Americans cannot see what he has done to this economy and this country. Things have gotten even worse over the last six months than they were over the last 2 years. How is that possible? Why doesn’t the media report it? Why isn’t the media on the side of the American people?

  • ricardo4max

    I can see that foghat has taken the President’s admonition seriously and returned to civility. LOL!!
    Rick Scott knows business and that is what our state and country need at this time. You do realize that calling him Baldy reduces you to a middle school maturity level? Or perhaps reduces isn’t the correct word here.

  • nflfoghorn

    OK, it’s Friday now:
    .
    Why aren’t you back on your medication?

  • ricardo4max

    “This is a major point. We and Obama are in serious trouble if the electorate sees things their way.”

    Yes God forbid that the citizens of American get their way and their country back.

  • nflfoghorn

    RFM, in all seriousness I think this “governor” has no idea what he’s doing. He campaigned about our state’s unemployment problem being a result of too many laws (as if the Republicans didn’t have anything to do with creating said laws) so he supposedly had a plan to bring 700K jobs here within 7 years. How much would it cost? Who’ll implement it? How’re we going to pay for it? These questions have gone unanswered three weeks into his administration. I likely won’t like any plan he proposes, but at least have a PLAN. This guy’s clueless and even his GOP buddies in the Legislature know it – otherwise they wouldn’t go public with their opinions that cutting taxes this year won’t work.

  • np042

    Candidate I like wins = Will of the American People
    .
    Candidate I don’t like wins = voter fraud
    .
    Am I missing anything?

  • deconstructiva

    Well, this was a nice thread while it lasted. Why do trolls insist on invading threads like locusts? Do they think strident behavior alone proves them right?

  • bobell

    ” There is absolutely no way that a majority of Americans cannot see what he has done to this economy and this country.”
    .
    And yet his approval rating is at 60 percent in one poll
    .
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123612000246123253.html
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    and at 50 percent or higher in others
    .
    http://www.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/01/obama-is-riding-a-wave-of-popularity/1
    .
    Apparently a majority of Americans have seen what he has done and approve of it.

  • garylk

    Scott’s campaign did spend $2 million for his inauguration parties. That was good for a few days of temporary jobs around Tally.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Funny. It always seemed to me that one of the reasons you would want to be president is to lower the unemployment rate, create jobs and economic growth. IT seems odd stated the other way around, that you want low unemployment in order to be president.

  • nflfoghorn
  • nflfoghorn

    “Let’s get to work”
    .
    …on my lawn ;)

  • Ivy_B

    Thought it would be interesting to see what the agenda of congress was in January 2009 as compared with January 2011. Here is a list of the bills they were working on.

    http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/01/congress_012609.html

    Found my way back to Swampland in January 2009 to see what the posts were. You might guess — how Obama must compromise with the Republicans, several on Caroline Kennedy’s failed Senate possible candidacy, many on Blagoyovich, several on how inept the new administration is. All the news coverage was focused on the Republicans as opposed to now when all the coverage is focused on the Republicans.

  • nflfoghorn

    In ’09 it was all GOP bashing – soon to be extinct and all. Now they’ve got a modicum of power and are thisclose to blowing it again.

  • paulejb

    mikew67,

    Do you mean the Obama tax cuts, formerly known as the Bush tax cuts?

  • rg92130

    At the risk of sounding cynical and paranoid, Republicans in the House wouldn’t stifle job-creation legislation in order to maintain a political climate favorable to them, would they? (How bad is it that even the thought would be taken seriously?)

  • np042

    Psssssst. Don’t use the C-word around them. It’ll send them into conniptions.

  • rg92130

    Horrors!

    It could be the election of 2000 all over again!

  • truevcu

    A note on Virginia: Unemployment is likely only doing relatively well here because most of the state’s population is in direct thrall to either the military or the federal government. Given the budget cuts being undertaken by the former and the tea party’s yearning to destroy the latter, it’ll be interesting to see where we are about 18 months from now

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