The Chutzpah of Palin

Hey, everybody–I’m back from maternity leave. Anything happen while I was gone?

Sigh. I’ve been spending more time reading Pigeon books than political pages lately, so I may be a little rusty. But it took me a few minutes of watching Sarah Palin’s video message this morning to realize that it wasn’t an OnionTV production starring an uncannily good Palin impersonator.

While lashing out at the idea that her “lock and load” rhetoric could contribute to any act of violence, Palin decried “irresponsible statements” and insisted that “each individual is accountable for his [or her] actions.” She characterized critics of her as guilty of “a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence that they purport to condemn.” Again, I’m a bit slow here. But let me see if I understand this. Palin’s words are obviously just words and could never ever influence anyone’s actions. But the words of her critics are irresponsibly provocative and have the power “to incite hatred and violence”?

My head is hurting. And I really must be out of it because I actually thought she was kidding when she patiently explained that “when we ‘take up our arms,’ we’re talking about our vote.” Ah, yes. It’s hard to see how anyone could have thought otherwise. Palin may often talk about “the right to bear arms,” but when she exhorts people to “take up arms,” she obviously means they should lift up their arms to pull the lever in their voting booths.

Sarcasm aside, it really is hard to fathom why Palin felt the need to record and release this message right now. For God’s sake, most of the funerals for the victims in Tucson haven’t even taken place yet. Is this really the right time for an unapologetic defense of violent rhetoric? Why not hold off on the lashing out at her critics and casting herself as a victim for just a few more days?

I think there are two main explanations. One is that Palin simply can’t help it. You know that friend of yours for whom everything is always about them? Your dad is in the hospital and your cat just died and you lost your job, and yet she blows up at you because you forgot her birthday? Palin is that friend.

Noam Scheiber (aka, my husband) wrote a profile of Palin in the fall of 2008 that I’ll unapologetically quote from here because I still think it captures what drives her better than anything else I’ve read:

Palin, by contrast, may be the first conservative politician since Nixon to experience resentment so authentically. For her, it’s not so much a political tool as a motivating principle. A trip through Palin’s past reveals that almost every step of her career can be understood as a reaction to elitist condescension–much of it in her own mind.

Sarah Palin is never so impassioned as when the cause she’s defending is Sarah Palin. That’s what you see in the video. While I believe she genuinely feels grief for the families of the victims, for her this moment is about the unfair attacks she has sustained. The outrage isn’t feigned. She isn’t failing to make distinctions between criticizing her rhetoric and blaming her for the shooting. There is no distinction for her.

The second explanation for the timing of this video is that Palin and her advisers obviously understand that her career is on the line–whether that involves running for president or simply being a popular conservative figure who commands high speaking fees and tv contracts. Even if no one drew a connection between Palin’s target map or rhetoric and Jared Loughner’s violent actions, she would have to tone down her schtick, at least in the name of good taste.

The problem for Palin is that this is her brand. She’s Shoot-’Em-Up Sarah. That’s what her fans love about her. She got them fired up on the campaign trail in 2008 by not just being willing to play the role of attack dog, but by so obviously relishing it. What does a de-fanged Palin sound like politically? I suspect even she doesn’t know.

That’s why what we heard today was a somewhat desperate attempt to make the case that extreme political rhetoric can be healthy and appropriate, that it has a valid, defensible place in our politics. You have to give her credit–it’s hard to think of a worse time to press that argument. But if she didn’t make the case, she’d have to change her tune. And that’s not an option for Palin.

UPDATE: I missed Sharron Angle’s similar comments yesterday: “The irresponsible assignment of blame to me, Sarah Palin or the TEA Party movement by commentators and elected officials puts all who gather to redress grievances in danger.” In all seriousness, I just don’t understand this. It’s perfectly fair to argue that there is no link between political rhetoric and the shooting in Tucson. But then you have to explain why statements denouncing violent imagery and metaphors could possibly put anyone in danger. You do not get to have it both ways. Am I missing something?

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  • jillib

    Josh Marshall nailed it with what I think is the quote of the day…

    “Today has been set aside to honor the victims of the Tucson massacre. And Sarah Palin has apparently decided she’s one of them. “

  • newfreedomblog

    And then TIME.com un-leshes Amy Sullivan. How poetic.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Welcome back and thanks for the accurate article/opinion piece.

    It must seem like stepping out of a time machine, coming back now; and that these arguments she makes supposedly hold merit must make it all the more strange.

  • hippooath

    We should never confuse the ability for Sarah to both codemn and to decry; her words have no meaning except for when we use her words in context – then we’re responsible for anything that might happen because of it.

  • darius3

    Well put, Amy. I’m glad that someone at TIME has the courage to actually call out Palin for her hypocritical and self-serving statement.

  • lilaland

    She also claims that she means “voting” when she says “Don’t retreat, reload”. Really?

    Because she says it while gun is in hand.

    http://tv.yahoo.com/blog/sarah-palin-teaches-bristol-how-to-shoot-guns–1789

    The video release just makes her look like a douche. She would have been better served just giving respectful condolences without trying to justify herself. It just makes her look small and stupid.

  • acameronw

    How can Ms. Palin come out and say that political rhetoric does not lead to violence and then (mis)appropriate a phrase like “blood libel”that is itself incendiary? (By the way, whatever hope she had for the Jewish vote just went out the window.)

    I have no use for Sarah Palin as political leader, but I’m in the minority in this space who thinks she’s probably gotten a raw deal in the wake of the Tucson shootings. She’s only part of the problem, and I think Sharon Angle’s “Second Amendment solutions” statement is more outrageous than anything Sarah Palin ever said. (When was the last time anybody in this country was actually charged with sedition, anyway?) And the Tea Partiers who wave those signs with Thomas Jefferson’s “Tree of Liberty” quote have more to answer for than Sarah Palin.

    These events have more to do with our health care systems inability to deal with severe mental problems and the ridiculous gun laws in Arizona than any other single thing. The NRA is opposed to using someone’s mental illness to keep them from getting a gun, and Arizona allows anyone to carry a concealed weapon. If the right wants to turn the entire country back into the OK Corral, we’re halfway there.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Un-leash the CRACKEN”

  • sacredh

    Welcome back Amy. I hope your newest addition is doing well. No, nothing much else happened. SZ went to New Zealand and it’s snowing here. Other than that I can’t recall anything else happening. A car did slide off the road and wind up on it’s side right across from our house yesterday but fortunately no injuries resulted. I hit $250 on a scratch-off on Christmas Eve that came in handy. My BIL had successful surgery and is now recovering at home. I’m having fried green tomato sandwiches for lunch. I got a Wii for my birthday and my wife regularly kicks my ass in darts. Oh, there was also some kind of election that happened in November I think.

  • stuartzechman

    Thanks for this update, it’s at least as valuable as Sullivan’s banal mindreading of the banal Palin.

  • newfreedomblog

    Oh and welcome back, Amy. Hope all is well with your new child.

  • allthingsinaname

    Well I do not know about a raw deal, but she is part of the problem, and as a leader of the problem, she gets part of the blame. I do not remember anyone just pointing to her and not the others.

  • lilaland

    I agree with acameronw. i had pretty much forgotten about Palin and let it go… until she made that video which just begs the media to make it all about her again. She is desperate to over shadow Obama today, even if it means making a douche out of herself. Her fans like it up any way given. She has nothing to lose.
    I ask the media to ignore her today and take her apart tomorrow.

  • tom227

    I think this post is somewhat unfair to Palin, particularly the part about her need to make it all about her. It’s not as if she tried to thrust herself into this situation: The media made her a part of it before we even knew how many victims there were. Newspapers and columnists all over the country were trying to make her and the tea party complicit in the massacre, with some even going so far as to to say that she had blood on her hands. Is she not supposed to respond to that?

  • dixiechicked

    Fabulous read and spot on assessment!

  • sacredh

    I didn’t even mention the 3-D poster of Yellow Submarine I got for Christmas (framed no less), but then again, not everything is about me. What a pity.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Yo, Kraken has no C’s.

  • rdw56

    Wow, Is Time funded by the DNC? Amy doesn’t even pretend to be fair and balanced. The reason Palin is defensive is because the MSM is trying to blame her directly for the shootings and this would make her a target for the loonies. Amy is defending the MSM listing her as personally responsible for the deaths of 5 people and the severe injuries to the others.

    Further, they now admit they did so without a shred of evidence. That’s reprehensible.

    Amy, Joe and everyone else here are that elitist class who despise people like Sarah Palin especially for her success at trashing elites.

  • newfreedomblog

    You are indeed correct, gummy.

  • filmnoia

    “Psychopathy, also known as sociopathy, is a personality disorder characterized by selfishness, ruthlessness and the inability to feel guilt or empathy. ”

    Not only is Palin a classic sociopath, but that defintion pretty much sums up the American Right Wing.

  • jsfox

    “Today has been set aside to honor the victims of the Tucson massacre. And Sarah Palin has apparently decided she’s one of them.”
    Josh Marshall

  • GivenUp

    If everything was about you the world would be a much more sarcastic and entertaining place for sure.

  • Cookie Puss

    I hope she keeps flapping her jaws. The more she talks, the less popular she becomes.

  • shepherdwong

    What does a de-fanged Palin sound like politically?
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    A Democrat?
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    Seriously, Palin – and Angle, Limbaugh, and DeMint, and just about any Republican running for the base – will never admit error, never back down because the base won’t countenance backing down to a perceived political enemy. That fight is what animates them, you could say that it’s the only thing they really care about. So, no, you will never see a politician on the right “de-fanged,” because that would be the end of their career – candidate for public office or lovely FOX hostess (and Facebook martyr).
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    Welcome back, Amy. No, you haven’t missed a thing.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    I do not believe Palin would be so far along the continuum of psychopathy that she would receive clinical diagnosis. For it to be a disorder it has to actively prevent her from being able to live a productive lifestyle. She’s making plenty of money and apparently has plenty of friends.

    If she were going to be diagnosed with anything it would be a narcissistic personality, again not as a disorder, before she would be diagnosed with psychopathy (which is usually accompanied by remorseless violence, something Palin doesn’t actually do much of or which we don’t have evidence of her doing).

  • palininatowel

    As I noted in Jay’s post, below, that contained Palin’s video, leave it to the ever-narcissistic Palin to turn a horrific tragedy that left six dead and a dozen more wounded into a tale of her victimization, yet again.
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    The video is painfully comic, like a high school thespian trying desperately to “act” and “emote.”
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    And the use of the teleprompter (reflected in her glasses) adds yet another unintentionally humorous element to the whole charade, as the self-professed “hockey mom/regular gal” who claims to “speak from the heart” — and who has unceasingly ridiculed Obama for using a teleprompter — reads a prepared statement obviously written by her PR team that ends up being all about her.
    .
    As usual.
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    She won’t run for president. She’s in the same category as Glenn Beck or Rush or any of the other loud-mouthed pot-stirrers who make their money off feeding the 25% of the base who want raw meat for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
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    She is simply far too into making money to consider taking the pay cut she;d get running for president.
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    Though she will keep dangling that carrot out there as long as she can so people like Jay Newton-Small will continue to pen inane pieces like the one below speculating about Palin’s presidential ambitions.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    That’s a first out of your mouth. :/

  • sacredh

    GivenUp, that made me cry. Not the booze fueled racking sobs like Boehner’s, but the tears of joy like when your wife finds out you’ve been hosing her sister and blames it all on her.

  • shepherdwong

    Psychopathy, also known as sociopathy, is a personality disorder characterized by selfishness, ruthlessness and the inability to feel guilt or empathy.
    .
    To be more specific:

    Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition characterized by an inflated sense of self-importance, need for admiration, extreme self-involvement, and lack of empathy for others. Individuals with this disorder are usually arrogantly self-assured and confident. They expect to be noticed as superior. Many highly successful individuals might be considered narcissistic. However, this disorder is only diagnosed when these behaviors become persistent and very disabling or distressing.

    http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis/p20-pe07.html

  • newfreedomblog

    They fear Sarah Palin. They as proven over the past few days will not stop with any tactic which may work to shut down the Conservative movement. They will do anything at any cost.

  • allthingsinaname

    Yea what is up with Jay Newton-Small anyway? She seems fixated on Palin for sure. She gives here plenty of positive press, for what?

  • http://milascurtains.wordpress.com milascurtains

    Thank You

  • pelhamite1

    First and foremost, welcome back, Amy Sullivan, you’ve been missed.

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    The irony of the Palin video is that over the last day or two the (overall) trend had been in the direction of recognizing that the “hate speech” factor was probably only a secondary factor in motivating this creep. The first emotional responses aside, the sense on this blog was moving toward a rough consensus of “While there doesn’t seem to be a direct causal link proving that the sulferous atmosphere of Arizona was a cause of this atrocity, we can at least agree that this is a wake up call regarding our gun control laws and, while we’re at it, let’s look at how we deal with mental health issues.” The mental health angle, I think, had the potential to initiate some useful debate. But then, sure enough, here comes Sarah, trying desperately to make it all about her and her personal resentments.

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    I must say that that the paragraph form Noam’s 2008 article is beautiful and has cleary stood the test of time.

  • nflfoghorn

    Heck with politics – was it a boy or a girl?

  • nflfoghorn

    My head hurts too.
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    W: Maybe I coulda done something differently.
    Bob Knight: Never apologized for anything in his life, possibly
    Miss Prissy: I didn’t do anything to cause this guy to go off – YOU did for blaming me!
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    Bullies never admit when they’re wrong.

  • acgt

    WELCOME BACK!
    You make my day.

  • nflfoghorn

    Lest we forget Flush: The Democrat Party will take out one of its own and support the criminal, all for political gain.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    Point:

    “Palin spends 8mins arguing words don’t incite violence, then says criticism of her ‘serves only to incite the very hatred and violence’”

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Sharron Angle’s similar comments yesterday: “The irresponsible assignment of blame to me, Sarah Palin or the TEA Party movement by commentators and elected officials puts all who gather to redress grievances in danger.”
    -
    Because she’s going to shoot them. Duh.
    -
    Welcome back, Amy.
    -
    As to the issue, look, Republicans didn’t care about the deficit, didn’t care about government overreach, didn’t care about any policy issue except “SCREW YOU LIBERALS!” during the Bush Jr. administration. That’s all they care about to this day. There are no policy concerns, only resentments. So when a Democratic congresswoman who had criticized Palin’s violent rhetoric is shot, Palin feels resentment toward liberals. Because that’s all there is to US conservatism today.

  • 53_3

    I’ll have you know rusty that us Vikings are highly offended!

  • 53_3

    Other than that, Saint Rusty’s commentary doesn’t deserve anything more than my new standard when a crackpot posts:
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    Why don’t you just shut up!

  • 53_3

    No, I think the shoe is on the other foot.
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    This time, the teabaggers, rather debilitatively and inartfully represented by yourselves, are trying the only thing they know in an attempt to blunt what they fear most:
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    A “Timothy McVeigh” moment.
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    I remember the talk last summer…

  • 53_3

    This is going to all come out in the wash. When they finally realize that the election was a “get to work” directive (they felt the GOP would actually do this), it will be too late.
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    I’m just amazed at how much venom they are deploying in their defense of their violent rhetoric…

  • 53_3

    Then what the heck is “incitement to riot”? Any number of poeple have been jailed for that.

  • ricardo4max

    I don’t think that a meeting of the SDS / Weathermen could contain more far left anti-American radicals that this message board.
    Sadly, the worst part of this article is the realization that these leftists are procreating and potentially adding more misery to this country.
    It is easy to see the transparent attempt of the left to silence their opposition and promote their agenda.
    The truth is out about this kook. He may have had some influences from the media but it sure wasn’t Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh or Michael Savage or Fox News or the TEA party etc…
    Apparently, the Sheriff was quick to paint someone else black because his own dept dropped the ball on this guy who was known to them and they had a couple of calls on him in the past.
    The state run media looks foolish when they spew this propaganda, first flinging false and wild accusations and then decrying the defensive responses of the those they attacked. I guess the people that object to the current leftist takeover of America are just supposed to sit silent and watch it happen. I doubt that what we’ll do, however.

  • pelhamite1

    Actually, far from fearing Sarah Palin, David Plouffe (rhymes with newf!), Obama’s campaign manager has begun a formal campaign urging Democrats in many primary states to cross-register as Republicans for the explicit purpose of voting for Sarah Palin in the Republican primaires and maximizing her chance a becoming the Republican nominee. While I am a little dubious of that particular tactic, I am certainly in the camp of those who believe that Sarah Palin is one of two potential Republicans who would be absolutely creamed by Obama (Romney is the other). There are Republicans out there who, I think, could mount credible – not successful, but credible – campaigns against Obama, but surely the Self Centered One is not one of them.

  • palininatowel

    Hey rdw,
    .
    Why did Palin use a teleprompter?

  • hippooath

    Logic is not the oppositions strongest weapons. Emotions are.

  • Amy Sullivan

    Thanks for the warm welcome. It’s good to be back.

    Miss Finoula is adorable and has already made her first pundit appearance during my latest Bloggingheads diavlog (she enters around minute 54): http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/33322

  • stuartzechman

    Amy doesn’t even pretend to be fair and balanced.
    .
    Yes, she does. She observes conventions that are meant to advertise a declared objectivity pose.
    .
    The problem is that she constantly pretends, not that she’s coming from a particular political perspective.

  • ohiolibb

    Run Sarah Run!!
    P.S. Welcome back Amy

  • Mitch Guthman

    Amy,

    While I agree with your thoughtful and intelligent post, I am intrigued by your asking whether you are “missing anything”. Although your remark was no doubt intended as a rhetorical flourish, it reminded me of an important difference between our situations. Like most readers of this blog, I am an almost invisible political observer with no particular access to people like Sharon Angle. But you write for Time Magazine. If you are really curious about the apparent contradiction in Sharon Angle’s statement you can simply call her on the telephone and ask her (Or you can ask another Time staffer to do so).

    Speaking for myself, I would urge you (or another Time Magazine reporter) to call her up and ask her to explain why she thinks that denouncing her for advocating using “second amendment solutions” as a way of dealing with one’s political opponents puts lives in danger. I believe one reason for the popularity of these weird soundbites is that the press has totally lost interest in following up on these statements which really do raise questions of meaning, sincerity and even rationality.

    So, why not have somebody call up Sharon Angle and ask her to explain herself?

  • palininatowel

    Cute! I loved it when my girls still had their little bald heads…

  • nflfoghorn

    The cute lil bugger.
    Do us a favor – save all her diapies [sic] for the next couple years in a big compost box, dig it out when she’s potty trained and drop the whole shebang on Miss Prissy’s head for us! ;)

  • stuartzechman

    the current leftist takeover of America
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    That’s a lie.
    .
    There is no “leftist takeover of America.”
    .
    The problem with our political discourse isn’t “violence-tinged rhetoric” or “tone,” the problem is your side’s willingness to repeat eliminationist lies during times of national crisis.
    .
    If you have any decency as an American, you will stop bearing false witness against your neighbors.

  • pelhamite1

    Let’s not forget that the main reason that attention was paid to Palin on this in the first place because of the first person to call her out on her tactics.

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    That was the victim, Representative Gabrielle Giffords.

    .

    It was Giffords that thought Palin’s iconography made her target, long before the nutjob headed out to that Safeway. While we are a long way from determining whether it had any bearing on the subsequent tragic events, people were only following the victim’s own evaluation of what was putting her in “the crosshairs”.

  • wendy miller

    Sullivan has done a superb job of explaining exactly why the emperor (or, empress) has no clothes. Two sentences say it all:

    Palin’s words are obviously just words and could never ever influence anyone’s actions. But the words of her critics are irresponsibly provocative and have the power “to incite hatred and violence”?

    I think this is what Assistant House Minority Leader James Clyburn (D-S.C.) means when he says, “I think intellectually, she seems not to be able to understand what’s going on here.”

  • 53_3

    I think I can summarize the right wing rage being slung about here:
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    Simply put, rdw, Saint Rusty, and ricardo4max and other right wingers want to continue the practice of indulging in violent rhetoric!

  • sacredh

    Amy, you have made my day. I think this is the first time you have responded since I’ve been on swampland (two years this week). There’s nothing like having a child to make a person think of the future and hope that things will be better for them when they are growing up. Again, welcome back and best wishes.

  • newfreedomblog

    Like this IQ53?
    .

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    Oh, and Amy? Welcome back and congrats to the new addition to your family.

    The second explanation for the timing of this video is that Palin and her advisers obviously understand that her career is on the line.

    It’s an attempt at creating a firewall, yes. Palin’s handlers know they have a real optics issue (no matter how much they deny it), hence the hyper-defensiveness.

    What’s been entertaining is that it’s not just the left that’s calling Palin (and by extension Limbaugh and Beck) out on their nastiness and dishonesty, it’s also been the straight media.

    Whether that’s due to some sudden attack of media conscience or a push from the GOP establishment to cut Sarah’s legs out from under her* well before the GOP’s primaries begin, I don’t know…But given the establishment GOP’s distaste for Palin, it wouldn’t surprise me that they would want to diminish her support for her possible presidential run or to quash the power of her endorsement of a particular candidate.

    (*relax, it’s a common figure of speech)

  • 53_3

    See what I mean?
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    Predictable…

  • newfreedomblog

    Or, maybe this…
    .

  • 53_3

    You’re on a roll today, Saint Rusty…

  • nflfoghorn

    My god it’s the New Black Panther Party! They want to kill Whitey! Run for your lives!!!!!

  • newfreedomblog

    Or, is it really this??
    .

  • nflfoghorn

    “Blood libel”?
    How about blood money???

  • sacredh

    I must be a little slow today. Sarah hijacks the phrase “Blood libel” and Amy describes Sarah as having “Chutzpah”. Very clever and appropriate.

  • 53_3

    He’s parring this course, foghorn…

  • lilaland

    “They fear Sarah Palin. They as proven over the past few days will not stop with any tactic which may work to shut down the Conservative movement. They will do anything at any cost.”

    lol, oh god no.. I want her to run very, very badly.. for selfish reasons.. not patriotic ones.

  • 53_3

    Talk about timing! I just looked up the Wikipedia definition and independently came to the same conclusion!
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    Posted on the other thread about it. Sorry for the theft of thunder…

  • 53_3

    foghorn:
    .
    I’m too fat to run…

  • lilaland

    “My god it’s the New Black Panther Party! They want to kill Whitey! Run for your lives!!!”

    ROFL!

  • hippooath

    Nflfoghorn,
    .
    Can you call yourself a party if you’re like one guy?

  • 53_3

    I didn’t realize it either. Looks like you are not the only one who’s slow…

  • deconstructiva

    Welcome back, Amy. Your daughter is beautiful.

  • hippooath

    My understanding was that the Conservative movement is slowly going backwards anyways. Why would I want to stop that and give them a forward movement.
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    And please – don’t tell anyone that we want her to run – we should say that we’re really scurred. That she send the shivers down our spines and such. We’re so fearful that she’s the one and only hope.

  • newfreedomblog

    Now if you want some good ‘ol, down home, run of the mill, on the local street corner Black preacher HATE SPEECH, we give you……….
    .

  • allthingsinaname

    If the words we use have no effect, why use them?

  • doubleang

    Give us all a break Rusty, every time criticism of the right wing political leaders comes up, you throw in some black panther crud.
    lets see, on the one hand, we have extremely influential political and media leaders.
    on the other we have Rusty’s black panthers who probably influence .0000001% of the population.

  • lilaland

    “Today has been set aside to honor the victims of the Tucson massacre. And Sarah Palin has apparently decided she’s one of them.”
    Josh Marshall

    ……………………………………………………………………………….

    Well said. She should have held back a day, at the least.

  • lilaland

    “And please – don’t tell anyone that we want her to run – we should say that we’re really scurred. That she send the shivers down our spines and such. We’re so fearful that she’s the one and only hope.”

    You are correct. I mean, please don’t toss me in the brier patch! Palin has such a powerful keen mind and devastatingly honorable back ground in politics and leadership she will dwarf Obama. Anyone but Palin!
    I’m very scurred of her.

  • hippooath

    “2.1″Un-leash the CRACKEN”"
    .
    Not to pick a fight or anything but I think Joe the Plumber aka @ss-Kraken was/is a republican?

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    I want her to run very, very badly.. for selfish reasons.. not patriotic ones.
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    Given how they’ve governed and what they’ve done legislatively over the past decade, I would say that Palin-running-and-losing, thus keeping the GOP from holding the powers of the executive branch, is a very patriotic thing to want.
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    It would only be selfish if you plan on selling ‘Palin in ’12′ t-shirts or something like that.

  • newfreedomblog

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110112/ap_on_re_us/us_congresswoman_shot_146
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    Officers stopped suspect on day of Ariz. shooting

  • nflfoghorn

    I’m sure you don’t mind sharing the glory :)

  • allthingsinaname

    It is who she is. She wouldn’t want it any other way.

  • newfreedomblog
  • hippooath

    “28.10Now if you want some good ‘ol, down home, run of the mill, on the local street corner Black preacher HATE SPEECH, we give you……….”
    .
    I thought everyone including Jesus and Obama condemned him. I thought you were going to post some kind of equivalance of someone we/us/liberals don’t want to condemn?

  • newfreedomblog
  • fasteddie9318

    Sarah Palin is never so impassioned as when the cause she’s defending is Sarah Palin. That’s what you see in the video. While I believe she genuinely feels grief for the families of the victims, for her this moment is about the unfair attacks she has sustained. The outrage isn’t feigned. She isn’t failing to make distinctions between criticizing her rhetoric and blaming her for the shooting. There is no distinction for her.
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    It’s called narcissistic personality disorder. She’s got in in spades. And I have to disagree with you on one thing: I don’t believe there’s any genuine grief for the actual victims or their families. She’d have to recognize those entities as fellow human beings in order to feel for them, and in Sarah’s world Sarah is the only one worthy of attention or emotion. Well, maybe Todd and the kids too, but if push really came to shove I think they’d be expendable too.

  • nflfoghorn

    “Can you call yourself a party if you’re like one guy?”
    .
    Hey, it worked for George Wallace. To a point.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Only to those who hate and fear her.

  • pelhamite1

    Your point about the GOP establishment, grape, is one that has been greatly overlooked. Last summer, I was a fly on the wall at a great congregation of old line mostly Republican bigwigs and Captains of Industry, and thier fear that Palin could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory is papable.

  • hippooath

    Better -
    .
    and to add – her intellectual machismo makes me enthralled to the point I might even contribute to her campaign. Money that is. My time is better spent away from her blinding Aura.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Sheriff’s Department and community-college officials in Pima County are refusing to release a wide range of public documents about the man charged in Saturday’s shooting rampage that left six dead and more than a dozen wounded.”
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    Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/12/20110112gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-pima-county-wont-release-jared-loughner-records.html#ixzz1AqozjXWc
    .
    Sheriff Dupnik may have taken a bite more than he wanted when he made all of his allegations. Barney Fife anyone?
    .
    http://ecdn3.hark.com/swfs/player.swf?1292974223 (Link) View more Christmas Story Quotes and Sound Clips and Andy Griffith Quotes and Sound Clips

  • nflfoghorn

    Down syndrome aside, I think her baby probably knows more about humility than his mother does.

  • tom227

    Fair enough. Don’t forget though, that a good portion of the media made wild assumptions that Palin’s tactics that Ms. Gifford’s criticized were, in fact, a motivating factor for the killer even before any facts were known.

    And even if there were legitimate reasons to assign responsibility to Sarah Palin here, and I don’t believe there are any by the way, she still has every right to respond to her numerous detractors. Whether or not Palin deserves blame her is one thing, but either way it’s not fair to say that she’s trying to make it all about her.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Oh?

  • pintortwo

    ..more like this newfree:
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    GLENN BECK: Hang on, let me just tell you what I’m thinking. I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I’m wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out — is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus — band — Do, and I’ve lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, “Yeah, I’d kill Michael Moore,” and then I’d see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I’d realize, “Oh, you wouldn’t kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn’t choke him to death.” And you know, well, I’m not sure. (link)
    .
    …from a political commentator directly to a large audience of adoring fans.

  • nflfoghorn

    “What does a de-fanged Palin sound like politically?”
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    Dunno…but OTOH we got the look-like and dance-like thing down pat.
    AI to the EEEEEEE.

  • newfreedomblog

    “The problem with our political discourse isn’t “violence-tinged rhetoric” or “tone,” the problem is your side’s willingness to repeat eliminationist lies during times of national crisis.”

    .
    You seriously believe this, don’t you?

  • shepherdwong

    If you have any decency as an American, you will stop bearing false witness against your neighbors.
    .
    You’re barking up the wrong tree, Stuart. They have no decency or shame and no desire to separate the truth from the partisan lies they are fed. And professional journalists will supply neither because both decency and truth, unlike mere civility, require value judgments and current “journalistic” conventions prohibit value judgments of any kind.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    I was a fly on the wall at a great congregation of old line mostly Republican bigwigs and Captains of Industry, and their fear that Palin could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory is palpable.
    .
    Yup. There’s gonna be a great big push (which has already started) to get Palin in line with the GOP establishment; they think she’s pretty much run the length of her leash and it’s time to bring her to heel. Whether or not she’s become too big to handle like that remains to be seen.
    .
    Limbaugh has no issues getting in line; he knows who holds his chain. Ditto with most of the other big name right-wing talkers.
    .
    Beck’s a loon who believes his own paranoid delusions; there’s no managing him. When the right wing needs to erect a facade of rationality, he’ll be their sacrificial lamb.

  • nflfoghorn

    “He’s parring this course, foghorn…”
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    An ___hole in one! :)

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    If I was going to do an amateur psychoanalysis of Palin my guess is she one or another of the varieties of a bully. Someone with a sense of entitlement and superiority over others, lacking compassion, with poor social skills and hardly any impulse control. Bullies take satisfaction from cruelty to others and for some strange reason, are very greedy.

    Palin ought to adopt the persona she had in her reality series in politics, where she comes across as simply being provincial and as a consequence, can be excused to some degree for a lack of knowledge and for not being more tolerant of those different from her. Tolerance is of course an attribute one has to have to survive in huge metropolitan areas, where a greater variety of people and opinion are experienced on a daily basis. I didn’t watch much of her reality show but that Palin didn’t bother me as much as the political Palin.

  • purpleguber

    Notice anything funny about the “Blood Libel” video’s background?

  • shepherdwong

    Oh?
    .
    Let’s just say, it ain’t helping:

    More than half of Americans, 52%, now view Sarah Palin unfavorably, the highest percentage holding a negative opinion of the former Alaska governor in Gallup polling since Sen. John McCain tapped her as the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee. Her 40% favorable rating ties her lowest favorable score, recorded just over a year ago.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/144491/palin-unfavorable-score-hits-new-high.aspx

  • apr2563

    Congratulations. Finoula, great Irish name.

  • apr2563

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/01/how-low-they-sink.html
    .
    Why Democrats get upset. And this rhetoric comes from leaders of the Conservatives who have access to huge megaphones. These are comments from Instapundit blogger Dan Reihl.
    .

    – When Senator Harry Reid’s 69-year-old wife was in a serious car accident that resulted in a broken back and a broken neck, Riehl titled his post, “Isn’t It Time to Euthanize Reid’s Wife,” and wrote, “I’m not sure I quite understand this, given that cost is so important as a burden to taxpayers when it comes to health care. If Democrats want so badly to abort babies because of it, why are we bothering with someone who has a broken neck and back at 69? It sounds to me like she’s pretty well used up and has probably been living off the taxpayers for plenty of years to begin with.” When Media Matters flagged that post, Riehl responded, “I wish I knew those babies way back when. I’d have taken a coat hanger to them!”

    – So many people took forceful exception to The Dish’s coverage of Trig Palin without sinking to this: “Sullivan has made himself into a raving retard over this past year with his Palin posts… Get a sex change, or at least start wearing Red outfits and high heels around the house playing Sarah dress-up for yourself and whatever gutter trash you can round up at the local adult book store. You look like an aging queen on her knees at some gloryhole waiting for a miraculous birth certificate to be slipped in from the next stall so you can engage your latest perversion until you climax all over yourself.”

    – Remember that dead census worker they found? When the story broke, and based on no evidence whatsoever, Riehl wrote, “Was Census Worker Bill Sparkman A Child Predator?”

    – Here’s what Riehl wrote about Megan McCain: “The Obama’s ought to adopt this misguided girl so Michelle can get her into an obesity program. Her arms are starting to look like flippers and it ain’t all about the breasts. With the right hat and a honky horn, I’d think she was a trained seal! I mean, seriously: arr arr arr. That poor girl. As for the commentary, what is wrong with Americans today? People actually watch this dumb stuff?? Fat, dumpy and stupid is no way to go through life, Megan. Get a grip on yourself, dear, instead of that next Krispy Kreme. You’ll
    live longer, not that that’s necessarily a good thing.”

    .

    Usually someone like Riehl isn’t worth acknowledging. There are vile bloggers on the right and the left. What’s notable is that this sort of rhetoric – and there are plenty more examples – isn’t an impediment to writing at Human Events or Big Government, or hosting Mark Levin guests posts. It doesn’t even prevent Instapundit from taking you seriously when you write a post claiming that your rhetoric isn’t motivated by hate (just the sort of “passion” that you regard as the Tea Party’s strength).

    Infantile bile is part of the blogosphere. But the adults in the conservative movement are either silent or complicit in this. And from the reaction to the debate over inflammatory rhetoric so far, they seem willing to fire it up some more.

  • sacredh

    I hate white people.

  • stuartzechman

    I believe two things, Rustydog.
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    1) There is no leftist takeover of our country. Something is happening, and it’s for the worse, and it takes the US in an authoritarian, un-free and fundamentally un-American direction, but it’s not a leftist takeover.
    .
    2) A political program of repetitively naming us liberals as traitors to our country during a time of war and national crisis is also wrong and un-American, and the right –both establishment and popular– have been engaged in that program for many years.
    .
    That’s a big problem, Rustydog.
    .
    When you rightists invoke “stabbed in the back” ideas, and talk about a “takeover” from people who “hate America” and are committed to “Treason,” you and your politicians have been doing so in the context of a wartime-empowered security state.
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    That’s dangerous. It’s dangerous because the state’s job is to defend the country against enemies, both foreign and domestic. If the state is run by those who consider people like me enemies of the nation, then that’s more than losing an election, that could be something else.
    .
    Now, I could care less if you hate Barack Obama and want his policies to fail, nor do I care that you’re trying your best to defeat him and the New Democrat faction who control our Democratic Party.
    .
    But you guys on the right don’t just talk about removing Obama or the Democrats from electoral power, you talk about how it’s people like me who are engaged in a program of clandestine surrender to America’s enemies, i.e. “Treason.” You write and read books on that subject, and it’s on that platform that your politicians run for office.
    .
    When the GOP takes over again –and it will, the incompetence of Obama’s centrist, half-bridge policies will ensure that– the Democratic leadership won’t be in danger of being subject to authoritarian rule, we will be. It won’t be elites like Obama who will pay the price in liberty, we will. Real liberals will be considered hostile to America by the giant security state, not him.
    .
    And, frankly, it strikes many of us as irredeemably stupid that the movement right would take this untrue and dangerous line toward your fellow Americans, when we on the movement left are perhaps the only activists out there committed to decreasing the power of big government over ordinary citizens.
    .
    We may disagree violently about the state’s power relationship with respect to corporate power –you want less, we want more– but, on the question of increasing government’s accountability to ordinary citizens, we’re not that far apart.
    .
    We want to audit the Federal Reserve, so do you.
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    We want to stop wasting American lives and wealth propping up corrupt Afghanistan, so do you.
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    We are against the bankster bailouts, so are you.
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    We want to uphold the Bill of Rights’ protections of individual liberties, so do you.
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    We want small-d democratic control of our respective major political parties, so that they –and the government– is accountable to us, not institutional interests and the biggest market players.
    .
    It’s unfortunate that you have a weird mix of libertarians along with Southern states-rights nostalgists, church-ladies and military fetishists in your coalition, Rustydog, because if your side could focus on the best, most libertarian, least authoritarian elements of the original Tea Party –and not the 700 Club watchers or armchair war enthusiasts– we’d have even more in common.
    .
    How the crap, short of total, willful self-deception, could you guys confuse us with the likes of the Dianne Feinsteins, Bill Clintons, Tom Friedmans and Joe Kleins of the capital? Those people and the institutions and factions they represent when in power are not the left. What do they ever do when in power except vocally reject us, even more than they oppose you, Rustydog?
    .
    So what do you expect our response to be, when the people you hold up as heroes at CPAC write books called “Treason” and “In Defense of Internment?”
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    You’re goddamn right we’re going to fight you!
    .
    Let me ask you this question, honestly, Rustydog:
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    If the government is so big, so bad, so untrustworthy and prone to dictatorial abuse of power that you guys would hold up the Second Amendment as a guarantee of last line of defense against tyranny, then don’t you think a political party running on a platform that the other guys are wartime traitors is about as wrong in that direction as you can get?
    .
    Isn’t that a bigger predictor of authoritarian descent than GM unfairly getting to use tax-payer monies to run its business for a while?
    .
    Think about that, Rustydog, and think about 1) and 2).
    .
    Then go listen to this:
    .

    .
    , and know that’s really what movement liberals like me are all about.
    .
    That’s what we believe.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Amy nails the logic problem squarely.
    .
    Mere words cannont hurt anyone and how DARE you hurt me by suggesting otherwise!

    and welcome back!

  • pintortwo

    Thank you Stuart.

  • Cookie Puss

    Maybe she’s planning on running for President of the Confederacy.

  • 53_3

    Actually, it seems Amy scooped everyone – and I was too brain-dead to notice…

  • newfreedomblog

    Stu:
    .
    While I will not doubt your beliefs or question what you believe in, I will refute that the vast majority of those in your Democrat Party are not in any way, shape or form advocating for what you have written. While you attempt to make movement liberals seem almost sane, you also let your belief in big government programs and policies at the Federal level supersede any local, individual, or State’s rights. Movement liberals believe that rather than concede to Individual right’s first and foremost, the pecking order is Federal first, State second, Local third, and after all of that then give Individuals their rights.
    .
    You also promote the collective over that of the individual as the most desirable, ie healthcare reform. Rather than holding the individual responsible, it becomes the responsibility of ALL people to save those who can’t save themselves. When in fact, not empowering the individual to at least try to save themselves, you will remove money from one group (those that have), to give it to the other group (the have nots). Nothing short of what Jeremiah Wright and James Cone also subscribe to. Black Liberation Theology, in other words, one of many neo-Socialist plan.
    .
    In the past decade you cannot say “2) A political program of repetitively naming us liberals as traitors to our country during a time of war and national crisis is also wrong and un-American, and the right –both establishment and popular– have been engaged in that program for many years.” The rightist, conservatives or Tea Party have not claimed liberals, more specifically movement liberals have been “treasonous” or continue the old liberal meme of labeling our military as “baby-killers”. Since 9/11 I can honestly say that liberals have realized the vilification or demonizing of the military is a no win for their cause. While they continue to point out “imperialism” as the only motive in our most recent military endeavors, at least our individual military men and women are no longer considered “baby-killers”.
    .
    “We may disagree violently about the state’s power relationship with respect to corporate power –you want less, we want more– but, on the question of increasing government’s accountability to ordinary citizens, we’re not that far apart.” So far as this statement, I do believe that you will find the Tea Party endorses “Free Markets” for the small business men and women in this country. That multi-National corporations such as Monsanto are a threat to our way of life as well as our country. Most recent evidence of Governments inability to keep companies like Monsanto in check, the Food Safety Act. Sure there were a few things to protect the consumer. But, the real protection this law provides is the continuation of Monsanto’s lock on our food sources. No “movement” liberal outrage on this at all. The Tea Party on the other hand called for this bill to be struck down.
    .
    “So what do you expect our response to be, when the people you hold up as heroes at CPAC write books called “Treason” and “In Defense of Internment?” This is simply a delusion you hold. I am an active Tea Party member. My social and fiscal views are conservative for the most part. I have and hold no association with CPAC. Never have, never will.
    .
    I also believe from reading what you write as well as other like minded “movement” liberals would like to meld the “good parts” of capitalism and socialism into a new form of government. It simply will not work.
    .

  • lilaland

    “and to add – her intellectual machismo makes me enthralled to the point I might even contribute to her campaign. Money that is. My time is better spent away from her blinding Aura.”

    Agreed, her impressive 9 inch clit that she has to stuff down her pant legs make me want to cower at her square jawed feminine power. And also makes me think she is a squirter.

  • shepherdwong

    Nice try, Stuart. As I said, they have neither the desire nor the means to understand what you’re saying. Thanks for putting it out there, just the same (on the Virtually Speaking project as well).

  • sacredh

    Ftw.

  • http://relevantcontext.wordpress.com relevantcontext

    What no one has discussed yet is that Jared Loughner’s actions will affect the tea party and conservatives more than that group’s vitriolic language appears to have affected him.

    There are new connotations now whenever someone uses gun and violent euphemisms — it won’t be so cute anymore to say ‘don’t retreat, reload’ — the next time that’s uttered, there will be an automatic (and rightly so) recoil at the reminder of what the orthodoxed interpretations of those words mean.

  • http://bobmapplethorpe1.wordpress.com bobmapplethorpe1

    Typical left-wing media, trying to twist Sarah’s words. The American people are behind her. I believe they made that point loud and clear back in November, on Take Up Our Arms Day.

  • roguecowboy

    Palin’s NOT ME REBUTTAL

    Sarah Palins Defense:
    President Reagan said, “We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.” Acts of monstrous criminality stand on their own. They begin and end with the criminals who commit them, not collectively with all the citizens of a state, not with those who listen to talk radio, not with maps of swing districts used by both sides of the aisle, not with law-abiding citizens who respectfully exercise their First Amendment rights at campaign rallies, not with those who proudly voted in the last election.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/01/12/sarah-palin-americas-enduring-strength/#ixzz1ArZvQAQD

    Note: There are over 15,000 MURDERS and 1.3 Million VIOLENT CRIMES committed in the US each YEAR!
    There must be one hell of a bunch Mentally Deranged FOLKS in the US that COMMIT these crimes because a little voice that popped into their heads and they were not influenced by any external factors.

  • textee

    Leftist dimwit Amy Sullivan asks: “Am I missing something?”

    Yeah, Sullivan, you are missing something. We call it a brain, you leftist moron.

  • textee

    No offense to unattractive, overweight, out of shape, eighty-five year old women, but why did Saturday Night Live turn to an unattractive, overweight, out of shape, eighty-five year old woman (i.e., Tina Fey) to play the part of an attractive, ideal weight, in shape, forty-five year old woman (i.e., Sarah Palin)? Are they blind? Stupid?

  • newfreedomblog

    Oh gee, did I disappoint you too, shep-turd-wrong?

  • iggydwonderllama

    Wow Stuart. That is awesome. Thank you.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Fact: Palin is now viewed favorably by nearly 8 of 10 (79%) Republicans or Republican-leaning independents, while only 17% see her unfavorably.
    .
    Trailing her is Huckabee at 74-10, Romney at 64-18 and Newt Gingrich at 68-21. Then comes the pack of who-are-theys: Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty at 28-13 and 59% Don’t Know Enough, Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour at 27-14-58, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels at 24-13-63 and South Dakota Sen. John Thune at 20-10-70.”

    .
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/11/sarah-palin-2012.html
    .

    “Not to mention the recent Battleground Poll showing only 38% thought President Obama deserves reelection, while a clear majority (57%) would vote to replace him (44%) or consider someone else (13%).

  • koabd

    It won’t be elites like Obama who will pay the price in liberty, we will. Real liberals will be considered hostile to America by the giant security state, not him.
    .
    I usually try to bite my tongue on these things because for the most part I think you raise valid points, but the sanctimony and self-importance in this response is a little more than I can bear. You — Stuart Zechman — are in more danger than a President? One whose political opponents have:
    .
    1) Questioned the validity of his presidency. Even before his election, questions about his birth cerfiticate began to shoot across the right-wing blogosphere. Despite proof provided by the President and the State of Hawaii, so-called “birthers” still make demands, requesting to personally inspect the documents. While some may wish to isolate this as a fringe of the American right-wing, birther legislation has been introduced in the US House of Represenatitives by Republican Bill Posey of Florida (and co-sponsored by Dan Burton, Kenny Marchant and Ted Poe). At the state level, birther bills have been introduced in the Republican-controlled state houses of Arizona, Georgia and Texas. Elected government officials, Mr. Zechman, openly questioning the validity of the sitting US President — certainly making it safe and easy for him to do his job, right?
    .
    2) Questioned his intentions for the nation. Starting with South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson calling the President a liar during his speech on Healthcare Reform, Republican rhetoric regarding him (“He’s an enemy of humanity” according to Republican Trent Franks) and his policies (“Job-Killing” Healthcare reform bill, according to the new Republican-controlled House) has become increasingly belligerent. You apparently see no problem with this because, I don’t know, he’s not the real progressive in this conversation, but the ascendent GOP is creating a character in the President who is not only a usurper, but also a grave threat to the future of this nation. This is only amplified in the Republican media base (talk radio and Fox) where they accuse the President of setting up concentration camps (Glenn Beck’s much discussed “FEMA Camps”) and other gestapo-type activities. No threat to the President there, Mr. Zechman?
    .
    3) Used thinly veiled threatening language and more obvious actions toward him and his supporters. I agree that how the press has gone after the Loughner story is sensationalist and misses the facts of the case, but that doesn’t mean the leaders of the GOP haven’t been openly hostile and threatening to the President. In 2009, Republican governor of Texas Rick Perry (with Chuck Norris at his side) hinted at succession during the Healthcare debate. Rep. Michelle Bachmann called for supporters to be “armed and dangerous.” And of course we have the much discussed Sharron Angle statement on “Second Amendment” remedies and Sara Palin’s gunsights/surveyor symbol map. And that’s before we even get to the yahoos who carried hand guns and assault rifles like AR-15s to healthcare rallies the President attended. And that’s before we bring up the much cited fact that this President received more threats early in his term than any other President and received Secret Service protection as a candidate at the earliest point in history. But your personal liberty is more at stake.
    .
    My response: Really, dude? I get that you don’t care much for the President. But stop pretending that because you make a distinction between him and true progressives like yourself that his opponents see that difference.They don’t care for the policies he’s pushed through anymore than the ones you would prefer. And to accomplished their goals, the GOP machicine created a world where the President and real progressives are a threat to the angry masses in their camp. So how is that not a problem for all of us who don’t caucus in the Republican camp?

  • 53_3
  • stantoro

    Well said, Amy. I don’t get it either. Sarah always wants to have it all ways, and I guess that works for some people. Doesn’t work for me.

  • rdw56

    Why did Palin use a teleprompter?
    ***************

    Don’t know. Same reason as Obama?

  • lou58lou

    What a clueless bimbo.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    “leftist takeover of the country”
    .
    Nice try, but thats a lie. And if you think you’ve got proof of some leftist take over of the country, I invite you to provide it.
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    Proof, not inuendo or video clips of Beck boo hooing about how bad things are.
    .
    I can disprove without links, however. I can disprove this alligation with the SCOTUS decision that corporations are people…who is vocally opposed to that decision (hint: it aint the right)?
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    I can prove it with Sharron Angle’s ‘second amendment remedies” remark.
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    I can prove it with virtually everything Glen or Rush or Hannity has said in the past year.
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    Leftist take over of the country, indeed. If only….
    .
    Maybe then the country wouldn’t be in such a sorry state.

  • lou58lou

    Sorry; I meant Palin. Congratulations new mom.

  • 53_3

    a toy chihuahua?

  • 53_3

    Maybe it’s because the job she ran for doesn’t involve making your “audience” stiff?
    .
    Just a thought…

  • 53_3

    Rush Limbaugh was right:
    .
    “We don’t need diversity!”
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    And there goes Palin’s Jewish votes…

  • stuartzechman

    koabd:
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    Not to be argumentative, here, but I think with this one:
    .
    You — Stuart Zechman — are in more danger than a President?
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    , you may have missed my point, which is that the vastly expanded security state apparatus and secrecy regimes left behind by Bush and then Obama will be a greater threat to the liberty of all of us little folks out here than it will be wealthy, connected elites like Bush or Obama.
    .
    It’s unfortunate that my sanctimony and self-importance got in the way of that basic point: that all of us without wealth or power or connections in government have something to lose, if the trajectory of this nation stays on its present course.
    .
    You go on to make a number of arguments about the invective against this President. Much of that rhetoric resembles the invective thrown at another, recent Democratic president, actually. That president was accused daily of nearly every sort of crime, was called a draft-dodger and a coward, was advised that he not step foot inside of a military base, and was nearly the victim of a bloodless coup.

    Some of these arguments I could debate, but rather than waste everyone’s time going line by line to examine, for example, whether or not “You lie!” constitutes an existential threat to the President, I’ll just simply say that there’s a campaign to discredit Obama that seems to be about as threatening as the last campaign to discredit a sitting Democratic president, what Hillary Clinton, who was accused by members of Congress of being a closeted lesbian murderess, amongst other crimes, called the “Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.”
    .
    And no, I’m not more troubled by this campaign than I am the last one, especially not since this President and his faction of the Party’s policy regime has been disastrous (arguably even more disastrous than the last president who called himself a New Democrat) for the people of this country, who are far, far more important to me than any politician, any president, or any temporary public servant of whatever rank.
    .
    It’s not that I don’t see a problem with all of this, it’s that

    I could care less if you [Rustydog] hate Barack Obama and want his policies to fail, nor do I care that you’re trying your best to defeat him and the New Democrat faction who control our Democratic Party

    , as I wrote, and that the bigger problem I see is that, if movement rightists get into power on a platform of cleansing the nation of “the liberal-left” (what I mean by the term “eliminationist”), that means much more danger to all of us ordinary citizens who don’t subscribe to the views in Beckistan than it does to Obama, who will be rich enough and connected enough to live a more comfortable life than Jimmy Carter has gone on to live, with a security apparatus devoted to his personal safety that dwarfs that of Saudi princes.
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    That’s reality. Barack Obama is not in danger, not like us ordinary people who drive our own cars to work in snowstorms, and have our houses broken into. He’s certainly not in any more danger from the vast majority of the popular right in this country than he is from, say, al Qaeda. Don’t you agree that’s a realistic view? Or do you really believe that the President is in more mortal danger from weekend camo-wearers and civil war re-enactors than he might be from a deadly international terror network that killed thousands of our people a few years ago?
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    See, I care a whole heck of a lot more about the people of this country than I do Obama or any politician. I happen to care even less about this particular politician’s troubles in comparison to the nation’s, because he represents a faction of ideologues who largely disdain and reject democratic power-sharing with the people on my philosophical side of the tracks.
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    I think that’s the former is a fairly important point on which we should be able to agree, right? The country’s character as a free and prosperous people united in self-government is of more importance than the political fortunes or even the security requirements of our politicians.
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    That’s why this
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    But your personal liberty is more at stake.
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    seemed so off the mark to me.
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    It seemed to me that you really did miss that it’s not simply my personal liberty I claim that’s at risk, it’s the liberty of the country. There’s a domestic spying program, I’m sure you’ve heard. The current President has declared that he has the power to execute American citizens without due process. There are any number of current operations that make a joke out of Beck’s FEMA camp fantasies.
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    What is dangerous about all of that is also what keeps me from allying with the movement right, that this apparatus now exists, and they have a political party that routinely speaks of their fellow Americans in eliminationist terms.
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    Yes, my personal liberty is important to me, as I’m sure you’re is to you, but the new, key problem with the movement right is that the levers of what I can say without hyperbole is quite absolute and draconian power are there for their leaders to exploit, now that this President has confirmed the current security state regime. Because of the acceptance of Barack Obama of that security apparatus –something he ran on reversing, by the way– we now have a new problem with the right once they recapture power, something that seems of a bit more concern than Barack Obama’s personal security, at least to me.
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    And, just so we’re clear, koabd, when you write:
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    stop pretending that because you make a distinction between him and true progressives like yourself that his opponents see that difference
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    , I think you may have missed all of the times when I’ve gone on at great length (surprise, surprise) to make that distinction, precisely because Obama’s opponents on the right lie or are misinformed about the difference. You may have missed the comment above, in which I wrote that the claim of a “leftist takeover” is “a lie.”
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    As it happens, many partisan Democrats seem to be unaware of the difference between movement liberalism and the political philosophy that Obama and the New Democrats practice when in power, as well –another reason why I tend to go on about it.
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    I hope that this makes what I think a bit clearer, koabd, thanks for reading through all of it.

  • carpevis

    As with all things in human nature, people look for someone to blame.

    While the shooter bears the lion’s share of the responsibility, the incendiary comments made by Palin are probably the most representational of what is wrong with the violent imagery, intolerance and hatred in political rhetoric today. Much of this comes from the TEA Party (TEA now stands for Terrorists, Extortionists and Assassins) members as being the most vocal, but by no means the only contributors of it.

    Given that Palin is the “symbolic” leader of the TEA Party (at the very least), she rightfully catches the lion’s share of the heat for the kind of political rhetoric that infests the media today.

    But she is not solely to blame for that rhetoric and what is sure to be a tie to the tragic events in Tuscon. All political pundits and politicians, whose paycheck or power are derived from incendiary commentary share the same kind of responsibility as anyone in a crowd looking up and shouting “Jump!” It may not be a legal responsibility, but it is most certainly both a moral and ethical one.

    The bottom line is it will probably be very simple to determine that right-wing violent rhetoric contributed to the motivation for this mans’ actions. But given Palin’s comments, she is intellectually incapable of absorbing the fact that her words – among others – drove a delusional man to commit a terrorist act. I refuse to quote Spiderman, though I believe anyone who’s seen the movie understands the reference.

    Palin has already acknowledged that words have power. What she seems to fail to understand is that those whose words have power have the responsibility to use those words wisely. It’s obvious Palin lacks that kind of wisdom.

    But the bottom line is that a delusional man, motivated by his delusional political beliefs, living in a political environment routinely filled with hate, anger, fear, intolerance and violent imagery, engaged in a terrorist act targeting the political ‘enemies’ of those spewing the rhetoric and murdered six people, critically wounding many more. Trying to believe that the political environment had no impact on his actions at all defies all that we know about human nature – aberrant or otherwise.

  • carpevis

    Tom, the facts have become known over the last few days. Whether the media jumped the gun or not, the facts prove the shooter was politically delusional. Maybe not left or right, but certainly angry. When anger is thrown at some focus, it takes people – even supposedly sane, non-delusional people – along for the ride.
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    You create a confrontational agenda (During the Bush years, it was “You’re either with us or you’re a traitor who should be shot for treason!”). Then you turn politics into a religion by demonizing the other side (I can’t tell you how many people have called Obama – and by extension all things not conservative – the Anti-Christ). You say things like “don’t retreat – reload!”, you spew anger and fear (Obama is going to destroy the world with socialism! He’s taking away our right to keep and bear arms!). Toss in the fact (sorry, but it’s true) that the right wing tends to be less intelligent and more easily led by rhetoric than debate and you get an environment that mandates someone WILL KILL someone else because of it.
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    And here it’s happened. Sarah isn’t entirely to blame, of course, but the media’s allegations have proven far more true than off base. I expect there will be full evidence that he frequently listened to the kind of crap Murdock’s Propaganda Network vomits out, because it caters to the delusional paranoia the shooter had.
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    But let’s look at it from the reverse side. Is it a BAD THING to tone that rhetoric it down? Or do we amp it up and wait for someone else to kill a bunch of people over their politics before you admit the environment is poisonous to America? So exactly how many MORE people have to die so Palin can feel like she isn’t really being picked on after all?

  • carpevis

    Why does this “article” have to be fair and balanced?
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    THIS IS AN OP-ED BLOG YOU MORON!
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    Swampland
    A blog about politics and policy.
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    It doesn’t say crap about being fair and balanced. If you want fair and balanced, go read Al Jezera, or any English translation from China. You get a hell of a lot better factual reporting there than ANY media outlet in the US.
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    American media lost the concept of fair and balanced reporting shortly after Walter Cronkite retired when they realized they had to be exciting and entertaining instead of informative so as to make money for the network. Sensationalism sells. If it’s bland, sex it up, make it sound worse than it is. If you watch FOX, the world is coming to an end in about fifteen minutes. If you watch ABC, every lead story is about some sparkling, blue-eyed, blond-haired child who was abducted. MSNBC tells you the right wing is destroying America (That one is actually true – as is evidenced by what happened in Tuscon, but it wasn’t reporting, it was predicting). But FOX, CBS, MSNBC, Christian Science Monitor, Reader’s Digest, you name it, they’re all slanted one way or another.
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    If you can’t see that, you’re dumber than your post indicates.

  • shepherdwong

    Oh gee, did I disappoint you too, shep-turd-wrong?
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    Not at all. You fully match my expectation of you.

  • way2ec

    Sure didn’t take Palin anytime to reload and shoot her mouth off… blood libel and all. Maybe she can find a way to work the Passover into her next chance to bite the bullet. She does have the knack of being a rabble-rouser. Why did she take her target shooting map down? It is protected under the First Amendment, right? Would she take it personal if we, the rabble, were to put the cross-hairs on her mouth? Or would that be too much chutzpah? Does this make me a rightie tightie or a lefty loosie, or something straight up the middle? At least we get a break from “the mexicans are coming, the mexicans are coming”.

  • tom227

    Wow,

    I find a lot of the statements you made in your response to be totally baseless and unprovable, especially the part about the right being less intelligent and your confident assertion that the killer is probably a consumer of media controlled by Rupert Murdoch. Whatever. I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

  • sciurini

    Thanks Amy, very interesting perspective.

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    Dude, now you’re just repeating rants from months ago. Your Tina Fey one is so 2009.
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    If you’re going to continue to just spew on this blog, at least come up with new spew.

  • http://whitsd.wordpress.com whitsd

    @10.4

    I’m with Tom on this one. Wow.

    Even as a liberal I am offended. Am I the only one who wishes that people criticizing violent rhetoric would stop using violent rhetoric…?

    Since Saturday, we have devolved into just ranting at each other to hypocritical ranting about ranting. Bravo America

  • skponggol

    After blaming and smearing the Sarah Palin for the Arizona killing, American lamestream media has succeeded in their long-cherished obsession of mobilising a hit squad to assasinate the Palin family:

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-hate-it-when-I-wake-up-and-Sarah-Palin-is-still-alive/129929197021040?v=wall

  • 3xfire3

    Amy,
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    Can you go back on maternity leave?
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    You are pathetic. Your hatred of Palin makes you an unfit journalist. You don’t know how to be honest. All you know is liberal talking points.

  • deconstructiva

    Uh, where’s this plea for civility you’ve been asking for lately?

  • mailman839

    Is that all you’ve got, 3X? Surely a man of your age and experience can present a better, reasoned, and dare I say it, merely POLITE argument than that?
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    I know you can do it – - I’ve read plenty of your posts asking others for fact-based and calm discussion. And yet, at other times you seem to fly off the handle and spew spiteful and meaningless nonsense.
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    If you have a problem with what’s said by anyone here, try asking a serious question. Don’t agree with the assertion that Ms Palin’s claim that her own rhetoric is harmless while critisism of the same is – then challenge it. Prefereably with facts and reason. Present your thoughts and ideas with some logic, instead of appealling to baser emotions. You do that, and people just might take you a little more seriously, even if/when they don’t agree with you.
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    And in the interests of full disclosure, I’m a right-leaning independent, 50 years of age (so none of that condencending “you must be young” crap you wrote the last time you responded to a post of mine), retired USAF and current Foreign Service employee. I point this out mainly to highlight the fact that I’m not telling you to shut up or leave the site – - I’ve spent 30-plus years defending freedom of speech. I am, however, asking you (and everyone else reading this) to stop the inane he said/she said drivel and instead try using intelligent debate.
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    So, now that I’m done ranting, what is it exactly that you find objectionable in Ms Sullivan’s post? What particular part, specifically, was dishonest?

  • alaskan2thecore

    I could not have said anything better myself. Palin, you really need to think before you speak….

  • Matthew Taylor

    Ms. Sullivan,

    It may be hard for you to fathom why Ms. Palin felt the need to record Facebook message but what’s hard for me to fathom is why you felt the need to commit yourself to an article on the the former Alaskan governor.

    The irony of it all is that the more you cover Palin and her every Tweet, the more you legitimize her as a person of influence.

  • paulejb

    Amy,

    Perhaps Sarah was moved to respond to the “blood libel” of the political assassins of the left that was launched within two short hours after the attack.

  • paulejb

    That’s no way to talk about Amy, Lou. Are you a sexist?

  • paulejb

    Lou,

    Now you are just trying to weasel, Lou. That was a sexist crack and you should hang your head in shame.

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