Morning Must Reads: To Tucson

“We have a news media that is psychologically ill informed but politically inflamed, so it naturally leans toward political explanations. We have a news media with a strong distaste for Sarah Palin and the Tea Party movement, and this seemed like a golden opportunity to tarnish them. We have a segmented news media, so there is nobody in most newsrooms to stand apart from the prevailing assumptions. We have a news media market in which the rewards go to anybody who can stroke the audience’s pleasure buttons. ”
.
So says David Brooks and the media. God there is a disconect isn’t there?

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/killin/

The Great Recession has seen a precipitous and unprecedented drop in wages.

Which handily explains the Chamber of Commerce and Republican caucus’s opposition to unemployment benefits. They LIKE it when folks have no choice but to work cheap.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/arizona-sheriff-blasts-rush-limbaugh-spewing-irresponsible-vitriol/story?id=12583285
.
“It’s All Rush Limbaugh’s Fault”, Sheriff Dupnik, Puma AZ, 2011.
.
“It’s All Rush Limbaugh’s Fault”, Bill Clinton, April 10, 2010.
.
Does anyone notice a pattern here?
.

“Clinton said today that political dissent is necessary, but “demonization” of government is dangerous — citing the uptick in threats made against members of Congress and other officials.
.
“We shouldn’t demonize the government or its public employees or its elected officials,” Clinton said. “We can disagree with them, we can harshly criticize them. But when we turn them into an object of demonization, we increase the number of threats.”
.
The debate over and passage of the health care overhaul this year has coincided with an increase in threats against lawmakers. According to a recent report, lawmakers reported 42 security incidents from January through March — lawmakers reported only 15 cases in the first three months of 2009. A middle-aged software engineer fueled by his hatred of the Internal Revenue Service also crashed his small plane into an Austin, Texas, building that housed IRS offices in February.
.
Tea Party protests focus heavily on anti-tax and anti-health care reform rhetoric — but organizers routinely reject charges that they’re in any way fomenting violence or intolerance.

Clinton’s comments from Friday, made at a symposium commemorating 15 years since the Oklahoma City bombing, drew a rebuke from conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh, who accused Clinton of having “just set the stage for violence in this country” and said “future acts of violence” would be on the former president’s shoulders.”

.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/politics/clinton_demonization_could_turn_zGS9Abilcugyprork87IuI
.
Bill now has blood on his hands.

“…McKinnon holds out hope for a Jeb Bush presidential run”
.
The presidency is now a fiefdom?

“How America’s elite hijacked a massacre to take revenge on Sarah Palin”

.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1345952/Arizona-shooting-Americas-elite-hijacked-massacre-revenge-Sarah-Palin.html
.
The rush to make political capital out of a mass shooting shows just how nasty U.S. ­politics has become. Under Barack Obama, America is more polarised than it has been for 40 years.
.
And those on his side (Obama) of the political divide have clearly seen the Tucson tragedy as an opportunity to score points and settle scores.
.
None more so than with Sarah Palin, a politician who is almost as divisive as the President. The former Republican vice-presidential contender has become a spiritual figurehead for many Tea Party supporters, but is loathed by many on the Left.
.
So it was that within minutes of the Tucson shooting, anti-Palin internet bloggers and Twitter users were highlighting a so-called ‘target map’ Mrs Palin had posted on her Facebook page last March.”
.
Yes We Can!!!

or significantly slowing down payments to government contractors and others
.
yeah, that’s not a bit like defaulting on obligations or harming the ‘full faith and credit” of the United States.
.
Nothing to see here…..move along……..

Gun control advocates Sen. Frank Lautenberg and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy plan to introduce legislation that would ban the type of extended magazine allegedly used by the Tucson shooter.

That legislation was once in force as a result of the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.

Good lord. McKinnon pretends to be a reasonable man. Yet, he wants another opportunity for the plutocratic, Saudi loving, family of nepotism, the Bushes. Haven’t they done enough damage to our country? Maybe it is because of all those “death panels” that Bush can deter as he tried to do for Ms Schiavo.
.
Picture Poppy Bush, Bar, George W, and Cheney standing while Jeb is sworn in…Oil interests will be smiling.

Good lord. McKinnon pretends to be a reasonable man. Yet, he wants another opportunity for the plutocratic, Saudi loving, family of nepotism, the Bushes. Haven’t they done enough damage to our country? Maybe it is because of all those “death panels” that Bush can deter as he tried to do for Ms Schiavo.
.
Picture Poppy Bush, Bar, George W, and Cheney standing while Jeb is sworn in…Oil interests will be smiling.

Sorry, I have no idea how the above comment posted twice.

This ironic image has been scrubbed.

Bill now has blood on his hands.

Because you and that pompous jacka$$ Limbaugh say so? Hardly. This might be the dumbest thing you’ve written, at least so far today.

David Brooks: “the political opportunism occasioned by this tragedy has ranged from the completely irrelevant to the shamelessly irresponsible.”

Really?

“In an apparent effort to distance themselves from the mass shootings in Arizona over the weekend, the Tea Party Express sent out an email to supporters proclaiming that they “won’t be silenced” — and asking for contributions.[...]

This latest email emphasizes how “horrified” the TPE was to hear about the shootings, which included Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), who was shot through the head. Jared Loughner, 22, has been charged in the shooting. He has no direct connection to the tea party movement — though some have questioned whether the movement’s sometimes violent rhetoric might increase the chances of violent incidents.”

So it was that within minutes of the Tucson shooting, anti-Palin internet bloggers and Twitter users were highlighting a so-called ‘target map’ Mrs Palin had posted on her Facebook page last March.”

Because the target map was offensive in March and it’s still offensive. You don’t think the dislike for Sarah is ‘just because’ do you? She just so happens to be an severly harmful person.

“the political opportunism occasioned by this tragedy has ranged from the completely irrelevant to the shamelessly irresponsible.

“Shameless”, you say?

“…it’s fascinating to see Gingrich chastise those who would dare rush to “draw conclusions” in the wake of a tragedy, making claims that are “factually untrue.”

Indeed, let’s take a quick stroll down memory lane, ol’ Newt.

In 1994, just a few days before the midterm elections, a deranged woman named Susan Smith drowned her two young sons. Gingrich, at the time, made infanticide a campaign issue and publicly equated Smith’s murders with the values of the Democratic Party. Gingrich told the AP, ‘The mother killing her two children in South Carolina vividly reminds every American how sick the society is getting and how much we have to have change. I think people want to change and the only way you get change is to vote Republican.’

Five years later, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 13 people at Columbine High School. Gingrich insisted that American ‘elites’ bore responsibility for the massacre. ‘I want to say to the elite of this country — the elite news media, the liberal academic elite, the liberal political elite: I accuse you in Littleton … of being afraid to talk about the mess you have made,’ Gingrich said, ‘and being afraid to take responsibility for things you have done, and instead foisting upon the rest of us pathetic banalities because you don’t have the courage to look at the world you have created.’

In 2007, Seung-Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people at Virginia Tech. In response, Gingrich blamed liberals for supporting ‘situation ethics,’ adding, ‘Yes, I think the fact is, if you look at the amount of violence we have in games that young people play at 7, 8, 10, 12, 15 years of age, if you look at the dehumanization, if you look at the fact that we refuse to say that we are, in fact, endowed by our creator, that our rights come from God, that if you kill somebody, you’re committing an act of evil.’ Gingrich, explaining the VT tragedy, went on to condemn Halloween costumes and the McCain-Feingold campaign-finance law.

Sure, Newt, tell us again how awful it is for political figures to rush to ‘draw conclusions’ in the wake of a tragedy.”

The sheriff mentioned no one by name. YOU mentioned the Fat One.
And again, you say (and for this purpose let’s assume it’s factual although it’s not): “Bill…has blood on his hands” to prove WHAT, exactly? That Republicans are saintly? Infallible? Responsible citizens? You’re way off base, which in your case is saying something.

It’s still ugly the second time around

Care to point to specific acts of violence the Tea Party members have committed in the past 2 years? Anything at all?
.
Even violent rhetoric, want to cite examples of this violent rhetoric that has come from recognized Tea Party groups or the leadership of these groups?
.
I didn’t think so.
.
As our libtarded friends continue their unfounded attacks, the American people are realizing exactly who is attacking and who is the brunt of those attacks.
.

“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste,” Rahm Emanuel, Mr. Obama’s new chief of staff, told a Wall Street Journal conference of top corporate chief executives this week.”

.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122721278056345271.html
.
Who cares about any facts, just point fingers and let the liberal media go to work on it for you.

“For Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck, a McKinley moment?”

“A similar, and long overdue, outcry has followed the Tucson killings. Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, who blamed the ‘vitriol we hear inflaming the American public’ for the massacre, mentioned Palin by name and generally denounced conservative TV and radio commentary. Some in the media have fingered Beck, too.

While the accusations sometimes go too far – there’s no evidence that either Palin or Beck inspired the Tucson suspect – the heat is well deserved. Both are finally being held to account for recklessly playing with violent images in a way that is bound to incite the unstable. In Beck’s case, as I reported last year, it already has – repeatedly.”

What the patriotic, reasonable Glen Beck did during the countries participation in a moment of silence for the Tuscon victims:
.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/10/AR2011011005321.html
.

And that was before the McKinley moment. While Republican congressional leaders joined President Obama in Monday morning’s moment of silence, Beck mocked it as an Obama photo-op. His show was on commercial break during the silence, and when he returned to the air, he said: “It wasn’t silent in Washington – it was just the sound of cameras being snapped.”

.
http://www.businessinsider.com/glenn-beck-will-shoot-himself-in-the-foot-on-his-own-website-2011-1
.

The screengrab was taken from GlennBeck.com and is one of a rotating series of images you get when you refresh the homepage of the site. Others include Glenn Beck the scientist, Glenn Beck the overdressed patriot, and Glenn Beck wrapped up in yellow tape.

This one caught obviously caught @StopBeck’s eye because of the events this weekend, but seemed off to me considering a) whatever else Beck does he doesn’t tend to use gun imagery. And b) because the other images were clearly meant to be funny…or at least amusing.

So what…Glenn Beck pretends to be Magnum P.I.?

Close. We are told by someone who has seen the full picture that it’s actually of Beck shooting himself in the foot…something most people can probably agree is an fitting image for Beck’s site. That said, we’re also told the image has since been removed out of respect for events in AZ.

You are simply too stupid to click on the link provided, foggy. The Sheriff DID blame Rush Limbaugh by name.
.
Click click click, foggy. Learn the truth for once in your life. Your delusions are nearly in line with those of the mass murderer, Loughner. You should really go get a psych evaluation buddy. Starting to scare me.

The Atlantic
.
Stop the Blame Game
.
By Josh Kraushaar
.
“I’m not a media critic and never will be, but this has not been a shining 48 hours for my profession. Following the shooting that left Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., gravely wounded and six bystanders murdered at a Tucson shopping center, the media have spent as much time trying to assign political blame for the cause of the shooting as they have trying to unearth facts. As it turns out, the murderer is a mentally unstable individual, with no coherent political ideology.
.
For all the blame placed on politicians for their aggressive political rhetoric, the media have been just as guilty in promoting crude political discourse and conflict. I’m not just talking about the Glenn Becks and Keith Olbermanns of the world, but news coverage that elevates conflict over substance and encourages contentious arguments over thoughtful discussion.”
.
At a time when all Americans should be working to bring our country together many of the Left are doing everything than can to tear it apart.
.
This is very wrong. I am happy to see that a number of the more Rational Liberals and Conservatives on swampland are making positive contributions to try and bring people together.
.
I am equally disappointed that some less rational Liberals and TIME Journalist on swampland are part of the trying to tear us apart faction. They should all be ashamed.
.
Maybe this is a wakeup call to the Rational Liberals and Conservatives here on the Swamp. We should continue to be a positive influence here on the Swamp and not be accepting the hate shown by Liberals or Conservatives on this site.
.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/stop-the-blame-game/69294/

grape_crush: Great minds work in tandem. I’m sorry. I think I am posting at about the same time you are.

But does it explain Obama incomprehension of the differences between an unemployment check and a payroll check. But if your entire life was living off of taxpayer money, it is hard to tell the difference. Which if one was suspicious enough you could conclude Obama was deliberately trying to destroy the economy

blockquote>”The president went on to assure me that anyone who lost their job would get a check from BP. When I explained that BP might not write them checks because it was the federal government that imposed the moratorium the president said, ‘Well, if BP won’t pay the claim, they can file for unemployment.’ I was amazed by the level of disconnect. The people of Louisiana want to work, not collect unemployment or BP checks.”

For Obama, getting an unemployment check is about the same as getting paycheck.

http://bigpeace.com/pschweizer/2011/01/03/is-barack-obama-intentionally-trying-to-damage-our-economy/

This target map?
.
http://american-conservativevalues.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/BP_0405_heartland1.gif

Miss Prissy’s political career ruined by the “crosshairs” map (or so I’ve been told)?
.
I disagree – if you don’t experience remorse you don’t care what mistakes you make.

I will NOT click on your link. It will not change my mind. I go by what the sheriff said immediately after the shooting.

The left is desperately throwing everything against the wall. They blamed Fox, Palin, Rush, Beck, O;Reilly, Tea Party and the list goes on an don. Intent is to silence any opposition, gain gun control, limit free speech and impose their own sense of political correctness.
.
When your political philosophy is dependent on continually blaming someone else for every problem because liberal ideals are bankrupt, I guess you use whatever you can.

And how dare you compare me to a mass murderer because I didn’t CLICK ON YOUR STUPID LINK?

No. The one with the gun-sights.

But you knew that……

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/no_signs_obama_will_shift_on_gun_control_after_giffords_shooting.php?ref=fpb
.
No guts no glory. Status quo from most dems on gun control.

Great minds. Yes taking a political metaphor which has been used by both political parties for so many years you cannot count in this country, and then all of a sudden use it to attack the other party.
.
Do you really think the American people are that stupid?
.
How did that work out when Bill Clinton used it, and attempted to align the Kansas City bombing as a direct result of Republicans?
.
Didn’t think so.

Not quite

This is entirely and unquestionably false.

There have been claims that the extended magazines were banned, and Loughner would not have had access to them had the law not expired.

This is also untrue.

While the ban meant no new standard-capacity or high-capacity magazines could be manufactured after the law went into effect, it did not make illegal the sale, purchase, possession, or use of either new or used magazines. Retailers literally had hundreds of thousands of factory-new high-capacity magazines for sale during the entire life the “ban,” and these magazines were always available in gun stores, in sporting goods catalogs, and online.

The simple fact of the matter is that the “ban” was an abject failure. It neither reduced the lethality of firearms nor did it curtail crime. If anything, the ban had only one clear effect, the impetus to create an entirely new class of sub-compact semi-automatic pistols for concealed carry applications.

And yet, the media continues to spread their fiction, unable to face the inconvenient truth that their gun control fetish doesn’t save lives.

Now here this freeper and other rw posters here:
.
I agree with a conservative Republican.
.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/pima-county-gop-chair-opposes-anti-westboro-law.php?ref=fpa
.
TUCSON, AZ — The leader of the county Republican party here says he’s inclined to oppose the state legislature’s efforts to prevent the Westboro Baptist Church from capitalizing on Saturday’s shootings at a constituent event for Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) by staging protests outside the funeral of the shootings youngest victim, 9-year-old Christina Green. But that doesn’t mean he’s prepared to let the protests go unhindered.

Fox, Palin, Rush, Beck, O;Reilly, Tea Party……
.
Are you trying to pretend that that list is scattershot?
.
Now that’s funny!

Maybe we can have a discussion or debate on the cause and effect of gunsights versus bulls-eyes. Which one might cause a fully deranged individual to go out and kill 6 people and injure 14 others.
.
Which one is more lethal, PD, in the mind of a psychotic?

Tea Party is making money off the tragedy:
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/archives/235182.asp

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/gallery/2011/01/rep-gabrielle-giffords-on-the-job-in-arizona.php?img=1&ref=fpb
.
Nice slide show with Rep. Giffords interacting with her constituents. I regret I did not know of the congresswoman before this dreadful event.

apr,
.
read post 14.
.
You have allowed yourself to become part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
.
Dana Milbank is a very well know Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Conservative Hater. You have allowed yourself to be the same. Nearly every post you make is demonizing some conservative. Like Milbank you take things out of context, use a questionable partisan source or use a small part of a video clip to show your hate for conservatives.
.
At your age you should not be so full of hate.
.
I hope you do read post 14 and understand what you are doing on an almost daily bases is wrong. Don’t hate people because they don’t share your political views. Conservatives are no more evil than are liberals. Both want to help our fellow citizens and people around the world. We just have different views on how to best provide this help.

Here is a real threat by a Democratic Congressman as opposed to an insinuated one that the left is trying to hang on any conservative. What is really ironic there are few bigger crooks than Congressman Kanjorski
.

“That Scott down there that’s running for governor of Florida,” Mr. Kanjorski said. “Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and SHOOT HIM. Put him against the wall and SHOOT HIM. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he’s running for governor of Florida. He’s a millionaire and a billionaire. He’s no hero. He’s a damn crook. It’s just we don’t prosecute big crooks.”.

Exactly freeinpa. Exactly.
.
The blame party ran out of time on Bush II, so I suppose it is off to bigger and better blame games.
.
It is not that Democrats want to solve any problems or anything like that. Or discuss how a deranged psychotic went without any mental health treatment.
.
Now why would they want to look at the real problem, when this is so much easier. Get all of your libtarded bloggers sitting in their basements in their underwear to throw out this garbage and see if it will stick.
.
Unreal.

I was wondering if you were going to acknowlege the difference between a sniper scope and an archery target.

For the record, I have not attempted to link the AZ shootings with violent rhetoric and have grown impatient with people who do.

But the violent rhetoric itself remains offensive. The ‘joke’ of people bringing automatic weapons to Town hall events was particularly nasty. Perhaps the current circumstance will cause people to rethink their humor if nothing else.

The same Sheriff Dupnik who ignored the prior threats? Just another hack looking to find a convenient scapegoat. Maybe he can be promoted to Head of snow plowing in NYC

“There’s a political and media movement in this country that’s eagerly painting a bull’s-eyes on the back of the U.S. government and its representatives. Not surprisingly, more and more marksmen are taking aim.”

.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201101100012
.

And of course the left isn’t trying that are they? Difference people will support those falsely accused. The left is the biggest booster of the Tea Party

Is this the only sane voice on the left? A comedian?
.

“As I watched the political pundit world,” he said, “many are reflecting and grieving and trying to figure things out. But it’s definitely true that others are working feverishly to find the tidbit or two that will exonerate their side from blame or implicate the other.
.
“Watching that is as predictable, I think, as it is dispiriting,” Stewart said.

.
http://www.cleveland.com/tv/index.ssf/2011/01/a_tragedy_in_tucson_and_more_a.html

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/gun_rhetoric_2010.php?ref=fpb
.
What could be called a pattern of violent rhetoric.
Again, may not be linked to shooter but if we are questioning a link, perhaps the rhetoric has gone too far.
.

Robert Lowry, a Republican challenger to Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schulz (D-FL), stopped by a local Republican event in October. The event was at a gun range, and Lowry shot at a human-shaped target that had Wasserman Schulz’s initials written next to it. He later said it was a “mistake.”

Dean Allen, a conservative candidate for state office in South Carolina threw a “machine gun social” in September, drawing 500 people for the chance to win a $700 AK-47 semiautomatic rifle. All attendees got to shoot 20 rounds from a machine gun of their choice. (He didn’t win.)

Pamela Gorman, a conservative in a crowded Republican primary field in Arizona’s third district, got some much-needed publicity with a web ad that showed a montage of her shooting different kinds of guns. She also blasted out press releases with titles like: “Armed and Fiscally Responsible.” She lost to Ben Quayle, who went on to win the general election and was sworn in last week.

Quayle himself put out a dramatic primary ad that got a lot of attention, in which he spoke directly into the camera, “Barack Obama is the worst president in history. … Somebody has to go to Washington and knock the hell out of the place.”

Giffords’ own opponent, Republican Jesse Kelly, had a gun-themed fund-raiser in June in which supporters could come and shoot an M-16 rifle with Kelly. It was promoted thusly: Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly.”

Stephen Broden, a Republican challenger to Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX), in late October said that violent revolution is “on the table.”
“We have a constitutional remedy here and the Framers says if that don’t work, revolution,” he said. “If the government is not producing the results or has become destructive to the ends of our liberties, we have a right to get rid of that government and to get rid of it by any means necessary.”
“Our nation was founded on violence,” Broden said. He lost the race.

Dale Peterson, Republican candidate for agricultural commissioner of Alabama, ran an ad in May which he posed with a rifle and declared, “I’ll name names and take no prisoners.” He lost the primary

A month later, Rick Barber (R-AL) drew attention to his Congressional campaign with a TV ad in which he and “the Founding Fathers” discussed the current tax code. At the end of the ad, in which the cameras zoom in on colonial-era pistols several times, one of the Founders says, “Gather your armies.” He also lost his primary.

About a year ago, Richard Behney, a tea partier from Indiana running for former Sen. Evan Bayh’s seat, told a group of Second Amendment activists that they didn’t have to resort to armed insurrection — “yet.”
“We can get new faces in. Whether it’s my face or not, I pray to God that I see new faces. And if we don’t see new faces, I’m cleaning my guns and getting ready for the big show. And I’m serious about that, and I bet you are, too. But I know none of us want to go that far yet, and we can do it with our vote,” he said.

Another one from 2009: Rep. Gregg Harper (R-MS) told Politico that he hunts Democrats. Asked about the Congressional Sportsmen’s Caucus, he said, “We hunt liberal, tree-hugging Democrats, although it does seem like a waste of good ammunition.”

New Rep. Allen West (R-FL) almost hired a Florida talk-radio host, Joyce Kaufman, as his chief of staff. But Kaufman withdrew after media coverage of some of her more fiery statements, such as:

“I am convinced that the most important thing the Founding Fathers did to ensure me my First Amendment rights was they gave a Second Amendment,” she told a tea party crowd last summer. “And if ballots don’t work, bullets will.”

And let’s not forget the Democrats. When Joe Manchin was running for senator from West Virginia back in October, he released an ad in which he shoots the climate change bill with a rifle.

“I’ll take dead aim at the cap-and-trade bill, because it’s bad for West Virginia,” he said. Manchin won and was sworn in last week. In the wake of the Giffords shooting, he released a statement defending the ad.
“I have never targeted an individual, and I never would,” he said. “The act of a deranged madman who commits a horrific act should not and cannot be confused with a metaphor about a piece of legislation.”

.
Fortunately most lost their elections. Manchin is just as hypocritical.

I didn’t think so.
.
Asking and answering a question doesn’t work well for you, Rusty. Try this.
.
Of course, you’ll mumble something about ‘liberal media’, play word games, and throw in a few ‘libtards’ to round things out. You’ll rationalize whatever you need to to preserve the integrity of your closed set of beliefs.
.
That’s the underlying issue behind all this. Not only are you being fed conspiracy and paranoia to complement your simmering anger, you’ve effectively created your own reality…a closed, self-reinforcing loop of your own prejudices and biases.

Have you ever even see a target? Some are marked as a scope, some are just the more popular bullseye.
.
Since bullseyes are more popular, and more readily used by target shooters, then one could come to the conclusion that the Democrat’s targets were more lethal in the mind of a deranged killer.
.
My God, that’s it. The Democrat’s map of targets caused Loughner to shoot all those people Saturday. How sad.
.
Disclaimer: This is total bullcrap, and demonstrates how stupid the rush to judge by liberals is equally bullcrap. Nothing more than political gain from someone’s evil act. Nothing more, nothing less.

Pundits love to use Olbermann as their false equivalency to the right wing megaphone. Olbermann and Beck are in different universes. Beck is beamed to us via Fox from the planet Demigogue.

Rep Giffords is a blue dog, aper. How could a radical lefty like you possibly relate?

No its not scattershot its deliberate attempt to smear people who continually outsmart the left and there MSM puppets.Can’t win in reality so smear denigrate and try to silence. And it will fail!

RustFreep, you chose not to respond to my comments regarding that congressman’s poor choice of words (go back to yesterday’s post). Instead of condemning an unindicted criminal for his actions (or at very least agree that Medicare fraud shouldn’t go unpunished), you look at the other guy’s rhetoric and get all unrighteously indignant.
.
You regurgitate the same tired dung, day after day for no better reason, I suppose, than to consider yourself the GOP master of all truth. Have at it, O King, but you are the ruler of an uncrowded phone booth.

nope.

Yeah, the movement that is “taking aim” is the right-wing with numerous examples provided in the linked article.

Even after Byron Williams, in a jailhouse interview, told reporter John Hamilton that he was heavily influenced by Glenn Beck’s conspiratorial rants at the time when Williams plotted to assassinate leaders at the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, what did Sarah Palin do? What did Fox News’ Palin do in response to a direct request that she act as a true leader and call for a cooling off of the increasingly deadly rhetoric that had become a cornerstone of the conservative movement? Palin reaffirmed her support of the talker’s incendiary fear mongering: “I stand with you, Glenn.”

Everyone might want to watch the full video of Stewart’s remarks. It was nuanced and heartfelt.
.
http://www.businessinsider.com/jon-stewart-political-rhetoric-had-nothing-to-do-with-az-shooting-2011-1

Judging from this thread, the moment Scherer captured is over and Time alum Tumulty is spot on.

“Yet once the investigations are done and the grief and fear lose their edge, experience suggests that not all that much will really change. Learning an answer is not the same as learning a lesson.

While tragedy occasionally presents a political opportunity to one side or the other, that edge is rarely as sharp – or as enduring – as the deep philosophical and ideological divisions of a polarized nation.

In the wake of the shootings in Tucson, gun laws probably will probably remain pretty much as they are now. Mental health treatment will remain underfunded in cash-strapped states, the system for identifying potentially dangerous people will remain porous. If the vitriol does recede for a while, it will return.

And the next time, when something unthinkable happens, a shocked country will once again tell itself that everything has changed, until it turns out that it hasn’t.”

(for those that missed the link in the earlier thread)

Rep. Giffords is a human, 2/3. How could a resident of Krypton like you possibly relate?
.
.
That’s better.

With all of these examples, one would think there would be more shootings not less by now. How do you explain that away, apr2563? Can you?
.
If the hypothesis is that people who run ads depicting 2nd Amendment proponents, shouldn’t we see more Tuscon-like tragedies?
.
These metaphors in politics have been used for as long as I remember. Why is it then that we have not seen more shootings? More murders? More attacks against Congressmen and Women? How do you explain that fact away?
.
Or, is the better answer simply a fully deranged murderer acted on his own bizarre impulses.
.
In 2007, Loughner had a face to face meeting with Rep Giffords. A specific question was asked by the now gunman in question. It is reported he didn’t like her answer back to him. Even to the point the thank you note she sent him later was stored away in a safe. A keepsake or reminder of the meeting.
.
Was the political rhetoric in 2007 high? Is it possible since 2007 Loughner simply has harbored ill-will against the Congresswoman all of this time and he is now just acting on that anger? No one knows. No one will know until the murderer tells us himself, if he ever does.
.
My fear now, that as Clinton called for and projected on Conservatives in March, that “the political rhetoric may cause someone to act on it”, is more of a cause than anything that has since been said.
.
A President of the United States who has justified someone to get a gun and use it to kill elected officials. Ever hear of self-fulfilling prophecies, apr2563? These statements by Clinton are much more dangerous than any “targets” on a website by Sarah Palin.

Can someone on the right tell me it was ok for Beck to mock the moment of silence and why? As some on the right would say, “why does he hate America”?
I don’t hate anyone. Hate is a futile, energy consuming emotion.
When someone points out a fact, it isn’t related to hate.

KT, as usual, gets it right.

Pfft!

Kerry speech at CAP conference.

“Kerry said he thought about postponing the speech, but ‘the truth is,’ he said, ‘talking about the business of our country is more urgent than ever.’ He added, ‘[S]erious times call for serious discussions.’ And he said he ‘felt that not only should this speech not be postponed, but that, in fact, it was imperative to give it.’

Kerry continued according to remarks sent out by his Senate office, ‘Many observers have already reduced this tragedy to simple questions of whether overheated rhetoric is to blame, or one partisan group or another. And surely today many pundits and politicians are measuring their words a little more carefully and thinking a little more about what they’re saying. But in the weeks and months ahead, the real issue we need to confront isn’t just what role divisive political rhetoric may have played on Saturday — but it’s the violen[t], divisive, overly simplistic dialogue does to our democracy every day.’”

“But does it explain Obama incomprehension of the differences between an unemployment check and a payroll check.”
.
When the president passed the stimulus package (putting far too much into tax breaks and giving far too much leeway to the states so that many used it to balance unbalanced budgets) you were saying that the government spending money to go into paychecks was a horrible crime against humanity.
.
Now you don’t like it when either paychecks or unemployment checks are written.
.
“But if your entire life was living off of taxpayer money, it is hard to tell the difference.”
.
Who was living off of taxpayer money? You?
.
The University of Chicago is not paid for by taxpayer money. It is paid for by tuition.
.
“Which if one was suspicious enough you could conclude Obama was deliberately trying to destroy the economy.”
.
He created 1.1 million jobs in 2 years while Bush had created 1 million in 8 years.
.
So, if this is what happens when one wants to crash the economy, either Bush/Cheney, also, wanted to (and did an amazing job of) crashing an excellent economy which were Bush and Cheney, dumb or evil?

“giving far too much leeway to the states so that many used it to balance unbalanced budgets)”
.
You mean of course to balance unbalanced budgets caused by federal mandates and out of control public union pensions and benefits.
.
“The University of Chicago is not paid for by taxpayer money. It is paid for by tuition”
.
Showing that once again you know as much about how universities operate as well anything else. Tuition would not keep the school operational for more than a few months tops. Federal and state grants and donation by taxpayers make up the majority. Major universities use federal research grants to fund payroll of the entire school. Without it academics would have to go out and find real work.
.
”
He created 1.1 million jobs in 2 years while Bush had created 1 million in 8 years.”

.
At a cost of how many billions of dollars and what is the net job creation because we lost how many million in Obama’s first 2 years?

Grape, thanks for posting KT’s thoughts, was moving to read last night when she posted. She knows what’s going on and lets us know with gentle honesty. Too bad many of the comments over there are just as shrill and dishonest as the trolls here.

Rusty, I cannot help but agree that it is a sort of miracle that we do not see these kinds of shootings more often. But that surely is no excuse for creating the conditions of such an event, which the right wing echo chamber seems determined to do. Rush, Beck et al are like forest rangers who let the dry kindling in the western hills build up to dangerous levels and then act surprised that some camper started a fire.

.

There is no causal link to prove what compelled this horrific inidividual to do what he did, but consider this: if, in some casino in Hell, one had to predict which Member of Congress would be the target of an assassination attempt, poor Gabrielle Giffords is probably the one you would pick. All the elements were there: a particuarly venemous environment, a Democratic woman Representative, no mental health provision to speak of and, most important, a truly insane policy of (automatic) gun availability. Of these factors, the neo-violent rhetoric is clearly here to stay, and our mental health policies are not going to change anytime soon. The question, then, is whether Arizona is going to follow the lead of Virginia and do absolutely nothing in the face of unimaginable tragedy.

“You regurgitate the same tired dung, day after day”
.
Seriously are trying comedy now? Everyday with you grape and the rest of the ideological bankrupt it’s big businesses screws everybody, corporation are corrupt and greedy and all republicans suck.
.
Only you all do it in a more long winded way which you assume adds authority and righteousness which you mistake for arrogance

“Indeed, let’s take a quick stroll down memory lane, ol’ Newt”
.

Ah the high-mindedness of they did too so don’t blame us

You prove once again the D is for delusional

Greg Sargent has a good piece on Clinton and the right-wing narrative. A snippet:

Clinton never mentioned anyone by name, nor did he refer at all to the Republican takeover of Congress. Rush Limbaugh continues to insist, to this day, that Clinton blamed him for the bombings. Limbaugh actually blames Clinton (“what followed [Waco] was a domestic terrorist bombing in Oklahoma City”). Limbaugh apparently believes in blowback theory when right wing terrorists are involved and a Democrat is president.

Looking back at the text of the speech, Clinton made some broad statements that shouldn’t be very controversial. He does identify “the reports of some things that are regularly said over the airwaves in America today” who ” leave the impression that, by their very words, that violence is acceptable,” but of course it was Limbaugh who said two months earlier that “the second violent American revolution is just about — I got my fingers about a quarter of an inch apart — is just about that far away. Because these people are sick and tired of a bunch of bureaucrats in Washington driving into town and telling them what they can and can’t do with their land using all of these federal regulations.”

As Howard Kurtz noted at the time, this was a “prediction of a violent revolution, without the slightest expression of disapproval[.]” He has reiterated those predictions in the last few years. Clinton’s words were actually carefully chosen — he never accused talk radio of explicitly endorsing violence, but rather leaving the impression that violence was acceptable.

It’s no wonder that when Clinton said, “When they talk of hatred, we must stand against them. When they talk of violence, we must stand against them,” Limbaugh felt somewhat self-conscious. But the sentiments themselves are uncontroversial.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/01/clinton_obama_and_arizona.html#more

I bet you didn’t find this one (Posted above) in your link or any related to a liberal — what a coincidence.
.
“”That Scott down there that’s running for governor of Florida,” Mr. Kanjorski said. “Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and SHOOT HIM. Put him against the wall and SHOOT HIM”
.
No targets, no imaginary order but the actual charge to SHOOT HIM. Ignored by you, the MSM media and other Democrats because it doesn’t fit with the meme its them not us.

“It’s a collective action problem.”

“One of the most worrisome national security threats of climate change is the spread of disease, among both people and animals, U.S. intelligence and health officials say.

But more than a decade after such concerns were first raised by U.S. intelligence agencies, significant gaps remain in the health surveillance and response network – not just in developing nations, but in the United States as well, according to those officials and a review of federal documents and reports.

And those gaps, they say, undermine the ability of the U.S. and world health officials to respond to disease outbreaks before they become national security threats.[...]

U.S. intelligence officials list the spread of disease as one of their top four climate change-related security concerns, along with food and water scarcity and the impact of extreme weather on transportation and communications systems. Outbreaks of disease can destabilize foreign countries, especially developing nations, overtax the U.S. military and undermine social cohesion and the economy at home.

In coming decades, more heat, humidity and rainfall could allow mosquitoes, ticks, and other parasites and carriers of tropical and subtropical diseases to spread to areas where they didn’t exist previously, infecting populations that haven’t built up resistance to them, intelligence and health officials say.

Malaria, cholera and other diseases are now being seen in parts of Asia and Africa where they weren’t detected previously, something experts attribute to climate change. Dengue fever returned to the United States in 2009 after a 75-year absence – and might spread to 28 states, according to a Natural Resources Defense Council study.

Plants and animals also have been affected. Bark beetle infestations, for instance, have ravaged forests from Alaska to the Southwest and threaten to decimate commercial forestry, experts warn.”

(tick. tock. tick. tock. tic…)

“told a group of Second Amendment activists that they didn’t have to resort to armed insurrection — “yet.”
.
Why do liberals have problems with principles on which this country was founded? Compare the quotes below with the idiocy coming out of the left today.

“No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” James Monroe

~ “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny.” Thomas Jefferson

~ “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.” Patrick Henry

~ “Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence.” George Washington

Feel free to provide a credible link to his comments. When I googled it, I only found links to right-wing blogs, nothing more. If that is indeed what he said, I and likely everyone else on the left side of the aisle would repudiate his commentary as hateful and ridiculous.
..
BTW, that was rustyblogwhore’s link. I was merely providing some context.

A few months back, a 30-year-old Republican professional from Chicago was reading articles about cuts to Arizona’s transplant program and wondered if there was a way for him to help.

His name is Steven Daglas, and he says that he was particularly struck by the story of Seton Catholic High School assistant basketball coach Tiffany Tate, a 27-year-old with cystic fibrosis who, owing to the cuts, is no longer eligible for a double lung transplant.

“I’ve only been on this earth three years more than Tiffany,” Daglas told me. “I’ve done some political work in the past and I thought, well, I understand how policy works so I wondered if there were ways to find this money. So I went through thousands of pages of stuff, and I came up with these ideas.”
.
At the end of his research Daglas came up with what he believes to be 26 possible ways to restore funding for the transplants.

Since early last month, Daglas and those with whom he is working have been reaching out to the governor and her staff with the ideas. Among other things, they sent a letter that required a signature confirmation so they knew the information was getting through.

But they haven’t heard back.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2011/01/07/20110107Montini0107.html#ixzz1Akto2spU

Freeinpa. Are you stooping to the new low of actually using founding father’s remarks? How dare you?
.
Well that is …..is…..is….just not fair.
.
You will send the libtards into another conniption and they might just blow a gasket or two in the process.
.

I’m not going to defend bullseyes because I find it stupid. It reminds me of darts tho. Like throwing darts. Throwing darts against someone mug. Like they do in movies or cartoons. But it’s dumb.
.
Sniper scopes reminds me of wanting to shoot someone. Bullseye a dart, sniper a rifle.
.
Both are stupid symbolism. One can put out your eye, One will remove your life.
.
But I digress. I see that you need to defend it because it’s just ‘as bad’ as liberals and whatever ‘we’ do you have to. That’s why you have a much better integrity than us.

LOL, you sound rejected decondiva.
.

“I swear Martha, they are even over at the Washington Post making these same comments. What in the world is happening to our socialist dreams”???

.
The Spanish translation….
.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/ex-rep-paul-kanjorski-d-pa-fla-gov-rick-scott-they-ought-put-him-
.
Did you trult expect to see this reported in NYT or WaPo? Of course not! As I have said before it does not fit the meme of its the violence of the right. The left is far more violent in act and speech. But like you if the left doesn’t report it, it doesn’t exist.
.
“I and likely everyone else on the left side of the aisle would repudiate his commentary as hateful and ridiculous.”
.
This is funny. Not only do they not repudiate it, it is not even acknowledge. It is one of a litany of these not reported by the left wing blogs. Just one more area where liberal just keep lying to themselves.

I suppose she should dropped everything because soemone claims to have all the answers. Are you sure he was a Republican because that sounds more like a Democrat. 30 years old and can solve all the world problems, if someone would just listen to him.

.
Of course the governor’s staff could have given the response that the WH gave when a family of a fallen soldier ask to speak with Obama about a letter of condolence was sent out with the wrong name on it. Response the President was too busy and does not speak with the families of fallen heroes. At the same time, he did have time to call the Eagles owner and tell them it was a good idea to sign Michael Vick.

“Of course the governor’s staff could have given the response that the WH gave when a family of a fallen soldier ask to speak with Obama about a letter of condolence was sent out with the wrong name on it. Response the President was too busy and does not speak with the families of fallen heroes. At the same time, he did have time to call the Eagles owner and tell them it was a good idea to sign Michael Vick.”
,
It’s like a grasp looking for a straw or someting.

The left is far more violent in act and speech.

Talk about someone deluding himself……
..
Feel free to point out all of the violent acts of the left that have resulted in someone’s death. Attempt to confine your examples to the last 25 years as we’ve all seen enough about the 60s radicals and their exploits.
..
While speech such as what you cited is deplorable, it is not remotely similar to the actual violence committed by many right-wingers. The fact is that there have been many instances of right-wing violence resulting in deaths in recent years. That is an undeniable fact
..
While you’re busy castigating Mr. Kanjorsk for his irresponsible speech, when might you find the time to clean your own house i.e. castigate all of those on the right for their similar efforts?

“Showing that once again you know as much about how universities operate as well anything else. Tuition would not keep the school operational for more than a few months tops. Federal and state grants and donation by taxpayers make up the majority. Major universities use federal research grants to fund payroll of the entire school. Without it academics would have to go out and find real work.”
.
How many members of your immediate family do you have who work for colleges?
.
I have two.
.
About 90% of the money is private between donations/trusts left to the universities and about 10% state and federal government.
.
“You mean of course to balance unbalanced budgets caused by federal mandates and out of control public union pensions and benefits.”
.
No, I mean unbalanced budgets created by right wingers who sell out the next generation by borrowing money rather than adding another 1% to taxes. That’s what I mean.

See 1.1

“Intent is to silence any opposition, gain gun control, limit free speech and impose their own sense of political correctness.”
.
No, sir.
.
It has nothing to do with government regulation.
.
It means that the mainstream media should listen to who is making statements advocating violence or making very strong metaphors to violence and refuse to report on them.
.
That means, voluntarily, Swampland should have no more reports on Sexy Sarah (too old, a little too skinny and a tiny bit short for my taste) unless she stops using violent metaphors.
.
Also, it means that if the far right says “Death Panels” the Mainstream media will say “Death Panels are a total lie made by a deranged or immoral publicity seeker and not 1% true.”.
.
The would go for the president being Muslim – a lie.
.
Federal hiring is unlikely to create jobs using modern economics – a lie, modern economics predicts federal hiring will bring in new jobs.
.
I could go on and on, but, it would be voluntary, not an infringement on the first amendment.
.
The next time we have a Bush-like president (hopefully not for at least a 100 years, if ever) we want the first amendment so that Fox does not take over and feed us lies with no other options.

“Ah the high-mindedness of they did too so don’t blame us.”
.
Which makes more sense to you:
.
A) After denying it, it becomes known that the president got head from another woman and, therefore, two teenagers in Colorado go on a killing spree
.
Or
.
B) After many violent references, a scope target on the district, a very mentally unhealthy man on the edge chooses the congresswoman rather than a personal target like relatives, former school, a former girlfriend or a former employer as his choice of killing spree?
.
I think B is far more probable.

It is your perception that Beck comment were mocking the moment of silence. Your hate is so strong that you read his comment as mocking. You don’t even know the context in which the comment was made. You don’t know what came before or followed the comment. You assume the worst because of your burning hate for conservatives.

“Only you all do it in a more long winded way which you assume adds authority and righteousness which you mistake for arrogance”
.
Wait a second!
.
That’s not FAIR!
.
I ignore Morning Must Reads for just a few hours and already you’ve given my insults to Grape Crush!
.
Freak in Pa! This really does it!
.
Insulting me is one thing, but, the moment I turn my back you give the title of long winded and arrogant to somebody else!
.
HOW DARE YOU!
.
Either you are a very confused my to confuse me with Grape Crush (totally different writing style but extremely informative _ or you have run out of insults and have been using the insults you save FOR ME and use them on him.
.
I need my insults back!
.
Right now!
.

“How did that work out when Bill Clinton used it, and attempted to align the Kansas City bombing as a direct result of Republicans?”
.
Clinton spoke against inflammatory speech, not the Republican Party and, absolutely, not mild mannered, polite, respectful Bob Dole.
.
To you, from what you say, Republican = inflammatory speech, not an ideology, a sub-ideology of democracy nor even a plan to improve our nation.
.
This is why the far right ideology you chose to make yourself spokesperson for is as hallow as soap bubble and as shallow as mud puddle.

“Your hate is so strong that you read his comment as mocking. You don’t even know the context in which the comment was made. You don’t know what came before or followed the comment. You assume the worst because of your burning hate for conservatives.”
.
Damn, 3X, your denial and projection are at such a level it could take a career for a psychologist to help you.
.
Apr is speaking against hateful thing Glenn Beck did and instead of saying that the way Beck behaved is not what conservatives are all about, but, instead, saying that Apr is a terrible person.
.
Have you seen your posts mocking and belittling everybody who disagrees with you?
.
Then you attack Apr….
.
If they were not already both quite busy and neither one residing in Ohio, I would like you to meet either or both of my relatives who are psychologists.

“This sentence comes from Thomas Jefferson’s three drafts of the Virginia Constitution. The text does vary slightly in each draft:

First Draft: “No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”[1]

Second Draft: “No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements].”[2]

Third Draft: “No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]“[3]

This sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution as adopted.

Note: This sentence is often seen paired with the following: “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” That sentence does not appear in the Virginia Constitution drafts or text as adopted, nor in any other Jefferson writings that we know of. ”
.
This was Jefferson, not Monroe.
.
“Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.

* Barnhill, John Basil (1914). “Indictment of Socialism No. 3″
.
Your over 100 years off.
.
“Liberty teeth: George Washington never said ‘Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself’

G_washington In the gun-control debate two days ago, two of our commenters “quoted” George Washington as saying:

“Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the people’s liberty teeth.”

I said then that, in all the writings I’ve seen by Washington, I have never seen anything so succinct. He just didn’t talk or write like that. He never wrote a straightforward clause of nine words if it could be said more obtusely in 50 words. He was the greatest, most indispensable hero of our democracy, but he simply wasn’t the clearest, most direct writer. ”
.
Keep in mind that Thomas Jefferson was not at the first constitutional convention.
.
First quote:
http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/No_freeman_shall_be_debarred_the_use_of_arms…%28Quotation%29

Second quote:
.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Government

Third quote:
.
http://frankwarner.typepad.com/free_frank_warner/2008/06/liberty-teeth-g.html

Rusty,
.
You’ve got to stop posting home movies here.
.
We really don’t like your relatives any better than we like you.
.
Please stop.

Patrick,
.
Either you have a reading problem or you are in desperate need of Psychiatric help. Your answer doesn’t fit the question. That a sure sign of mental illness.

apr,
.
“Can someone on the right tell me it was ok for Beck to mock the moment of silence and why?”
.
As I already said, you are expressing “your opinion”. That does not make it a “fact”. You have no proof that Beck’s actions in anyway were mocking the moment of silence.
.
I’m beginning to think you, like Patrick, are in serious need of a Psychiatrist.
.
Facts are facts when they are provable. They are not facts when they are opinions or perceptions. Insane people like Jared Loughner believe that their perceptions of reality are absolutely true. Sane people know that perceptions are what we believe to be true, based on our personal experiences, but we are sane enough to realize that alone does not make them “facts”.
.
As I said Apr keep stirring the pot. You and your hatred are part of the problem. You say you don’t hate anyone. Than why are 90% of your posts making negative comments about Republicans? Your actions speak louder than your words.

“Your hate is so strong that you read his comment as mocking. You don’t even know the context in which the comment was made. You don’t know what came before or followed the comment. You assume the worst because of your burning hate for conservatives.”
.
“Your answer doesn’t fit the question.”
.
3X,
.
This is a question you were asking?
.
Did you mean “[Is Y]ourour hate is so strong that you read his comment as mocking?”
.
No, his comment was mocking the situation. Apr is one of the last people one could call hateful.
.
Any more statements you wish me to presume are questions to answer?

Either you have a reading problem or you are in desperate need of Psychiatric help. Your answer doesn’t fit the question. That a sure sign of mental illness.

Amazing diagnosis gramps! Today alone, you, earl and rustyblogwhore all made psychiatric diagnoses! If I didn’t know better I would think that all three of you got degrees from the same online “institution”…………or perhaps you’re all full of sh!t. Yeah, I’ll go with occam’s razor on this one……you’re all full of it.

Adam,
.
Are you censoring my comment? It’s been in moderation for almost three hours.

Patrick, good one.

I’m beginning to think you, like Patrick, are in serious need of a Psychiatrist

Oh, I see now. Psychiatrist is a proper noun in your writing. Could the Psychiatrist be one of your multiple personalities? Perhaps it’s someone you know. Seems like a reasonable conclusion given your diatribe. Calling someone The Psychiatrist does not confer a medical license to them, just so you know.

“Facts are facts when they are provable.”
.
And when they are provable, you show this by having a link to a trusted expert on the topic instead of reciting you resume (minus your name, the company names you worked for/owned, etc).
.
This is why you are a miserable debater.
.
“They are not facts when they are opinions or perceptions.”
.
That’s why stating your perception followed by a reminder of your resume is not proof of anything. It is just an opinion by somebody who may have done something vaguely interesting in business.
.
“Insane people like Jared Loughner believe that their perceptions of reality are absolutely true. ”
.
Just like, arguably sane people like you.
.
“Sane people know that perceptions are what we believe to be true, based on our personal experiences, but we are sane enough to realize that alone does not make them “facts”.”
.
This is why we take what we are nearly positive to be true from personal experiences or academic experiences, use a search engine like Google or Yahoo, find the appropriate article, copy and paste the parts which are most significant, put them in quotation marks, copy and paste the URL and put them beneath the quote.
.
When sane people have more than one url to link and wordpress starts acting up, we add on the link to a separate post to make sure that others can find out more of what we know is true.

3X,
.
The swamp was not functioning quite right today.
.
FWIW: Adam lacks the ability censor. WordPress is an outside contractor which only responds via email (as I have when people all complained about this happening to everybody).
.
Try reposting your remarks. If you get “you’ve already said that” as it can for duplicates, add a period to the bottom or some other insignificant mark. This often helps.
.
Expect a high probability of your post being responded to and/or made fun of by me.

nope

woops. wrong thread

Patrick and Deicash,
.
Every time a conservative make a comment on swampland you two come on and babble like children. If you have nothing of value to add to the discussions why don’t you do everyone here a big favor and say nothing.
.
Most people come to this site to have intelligent discussions and debates. You two add nothing. Your comments are near worthless. Patrick you are the most disruptive person to post on swampland. Textee make more sense than you do. You post long comments about everything and when any commenters asked for a reply from another commenter you jump in with your babble.
.
You really need to get a life. At your age you should be doing something productive with your life. Get out of your chair, put away the little Debbie’s turn your computer off and go out and do something with your life. Your 40 years old and you have no life but your computer. That is a wasted life. For your own health and your own good go outside and smell the fresh air. Leave your bubble and make something of yourself. Find a mate. Try new experiences. A life is too precious to waste.
.
You write more lines of comments than the next 10 people on swampland combined. That is not a life. It is an addiction.
.
I know you don’t like my advice but it’s for your own good. You need to get a life.

freepa wants to be a one man “death panel”. Doesn’t he know that the health insurance industry isn’t willing to give up that title?

Maybe instead of just reading his words, you ought to listen to him. He is a satirist, not a comedian but you would know the difference.

It is time to stop talking about violence to those you disagree with. It makes the assumption that you couldn’t convince someone with your ideas and thus the only way you can win is violence.

And FAUX, and your heros, are the leaders in taking positions that they know are not defendable so you use anger to convince the simple-minded that you must be right.

All I know is that there certainly isn’t a “Christian Right” unless “Christian” is spelled with a small “c” and is actually someone’s name. It certainly doesn’t reflect the words or spirit of the New Testament.

3X,
.
If you didn’t already suffer from severe memory problems you would know that it is at this computer I both work and spend my recreational time since I work from home.
.
Today I had a hurry up and wait day. I am not going to disclose details about it, but I am a commercial real estate agent and was waiting for something I was told would be happening today.
.
Second, earlier today, I found this whole thing so out of place regarding my looks, I spent two minutes taking my own pictures to show you guys.
.
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa351/PatrickSartor/002.jpg
.
I’m not an Olympic athlete, but, all of your dumb jokes are really useless.
.
Compared to how slender I was six years ago, it is heavy. But, the first description most people would have of me is tall, not fat.

New – here’s the quote from your link (which I thank you for providing):
.
“The kind of rhetoric that flows from people like Rush Limbaugh, in my judgment he is irresponsible, uses partial information, sometimes wrong information,” Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said today. “[Limbaugh] attacks people, angers them against government, angers them against elected officials and that kind of behavior in my opinion is not without consequences.”
.
Limbaugh today railed against the media and Dupnik for trying to draw a link between the heated political climate and the shooting rampage, calling the sheriff a “fool.” But Dupnik stood by his assertions.
.
“The vitriol affects the [unstable] personality that we are talking about,” he said. “You can say, ‘Oh no, it doesn’t,’ but my opinion is that it does.”
.
So, yes, he’s using Limbaugh as an example of the firey rhetoric that’s out there (who wouldn’t?) – but can you point out the part for me that says “It’s All Rush Limbaugh’s Fault.”? Unlike, apparently, you, I read the article in question.

If you have nothing of value to add to the discussions why don’t you do everyone here a big favor and say nothing.

Project much gramps? I merely pointed out that you, like some other idiots, were attempting to make a medical diagnosis for which you have absolutely no basis, experience or degree. If you don’t like me pointing out your idiocy, stop putting it out there.