Rep. Gabrielle Giffords

In her weekly newsletter sent early this morning, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords told supporters: “The most effective way for me to do my job is for me to keep in touch with you.” Doing so may have cost her her life. The Arizona Democrat was shot in the head at her  “Congress on Your Corner” event at a Safeway supermarket in northwest Tucson when a gunman opened fire on the crowd with a semi-automatic weapon just as the event was winding down a few minutes past noon. The alleged gunman, whom the AP identifies as Jared Laughner, is now in police custody. At least one of Giffords’ aides is amongst the five dead and two others are injured amongst the nearly dozen wounded in the shooting, according to reports. Giffords is in surgery, fighting for her life. Her doctor said in a press conference he’s “about as optimistic as I can get in this situation.” The single bullet passed “through and through” her head, he said.

The attack – no matter what the motivation – is bound is revive the debate over congressional safety from last summer’s controversial health care town hall meetings. In fact, one of Giffords’ offices was vandalized during that summer of discontent. Members routinely hold several of these kinds of events a day whilst at home in their districts. Unless they are leaders, they rarely receive police protection – indeed, police aren’t generally informed of the events. “I am horrified by the senseless attack on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and members of her staff,” said Speaker John Boehner in a statement. “An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society. Our prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords, her staff, all who were injured, and their families. This is a sad day for our country.”

Echoed President Obama: “This morning, in an unspeakable tragedy, a number of Americans were shot in Tucson, Arizona, at a constituent meeting with Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords…We do not yet have all the answers. What we do know is that such a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society.”

Giffords was one of Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s “majority makers” – those swing seats that helped Dems to the majority in 2006 – who kept her seat in 2010. Up against a Tea Party candidate, Republican businessman Jesse Kelly, Giffords’ was one of the last races to be called. She won by less than 1% of the vote in a district that went 52% to 46% in 2008 for John McCain. A moderate, she was openly unhappy with Pelosi’s leadership and last week cast her vote for speaker by defiantly shouting out Minority Whip Steny Hoyer’s name instead of Pelosi’s. “Congresswoman Giffords is a brilliant and courageous Member of Congress, bringing to Washington the views of a new generation of national leaders,” Pelosi said in a statement. “It is especially tragic that she was attacked as she was meeting with her constituents whom she serves with such dedication and distinction.”

Giffords grew up in the Tuscon area, a third generation Arizonan. After graduating from Scripps College in California, she won a Fulbright scholarship to Mexico. She then received a masters from Cornell University in regional planning. After a brief stint in New York, she returned to Tuscon to run the family’s tire business. Giffords entered politics at the age of 30, winning a seat in the State Legislature in 2000 and two years later she became the youngest woman ever elected to the State Senate.

Giffords grabbed a rare opportunity in 2005 when 22-year House veteran Jim Kolbe, the only openly gay Republican serving in Congress, announced his retirement. Kolbe’s Tucson district has always been center-right leaning – wary of extreme ideas on either side. Indeed, centrist Giffords has benefitted from Kolbe’s help. In the 2006 race, Kolbe refused to endorse the GOP nominee, then-State Rep. Randy Graf, who was supported by the Minutemen Project, a group that patrols the borders for undocumented immigrants. Giffords won 54% to 42%, even carrying the Minutemen stronghold in Cochise County. In 2008, Kolbe withdrew his endorsement of Giffords’ opponent, State Senate President Tim Bee, a moderate, after Bee cast the deciding vote barring same sex marriage in Arizona. And Kolbe refused to endorse Kelly, Giffords’ 2010 opponent, who was also was endorsed by the Minutemen.

Giffords has followed in Kolbe’s moderate footsteps in Congress. She became a member of the fiscal conservative Blue Dog Coalition. She openly opposed earmarks, though said she’s said she’ll continue to seek them as long as the practice continues. A member of the Armed Services Committee – her district encompasses two military bases — Giffords has made several trips to Iraq. She at first opposed the surge, though ultimately voted to fund it. She’s a defender of gun rights, joining an amicus brief to the Supreme Court to overturn the Washington DC gun ban.

At the same time, she’s more socially liberal. She is pro-choice – enjoying the support of Emily’s List – and a proponent of embryonic stem cell research and gay marriage. She’s a champion of solar energy – she has been working to make Tuscon one of the country’s big solar-hubs. She even changed her vote on the $700 billion bank bailout when a solar energy credit was included. And she voted for the 2009 climate change bill because of the renewable energy provisions in it.

But the overarching issue that has defined her career has been immigration. Giffords opposed the tough new Arizona laws on undocumented workers and supports finding a path to citizenship for the nearly 12 million illegal immigrants currently in the U.S. At the same time she worked hard with the Administration to beef up border security and secure $600 million in funding to add more technology and Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents. She also hailed the deployment of the National Guard to the border. “Arizonans have waited a long time for the deployment of the National Guard in our state,” she said August 31, 2010. “Their arrival represents a renewed national commitment to protecting our border communities from drug cartels and smugglers.”

A powerful fundraiser, Giffords out-raised all three of her opponents for a career total of nearly $10 million. She’s sassy in her efforts, last year sending out photos of herself with her motorcycle. In 2007 she franked more mail than any other member and made 340 appearances in her district – all chronicled by National Public Radio, which followed her around for the year. She is also the only member of Congress married to an active member in the U.S. military. She wed her husband, Discovery astronaut Mark Kelly — who is scheduled to captain a shuttle mission in 10-weeks — in November 2007. She’s often mentioned as a rising star in the ranks of Democratic women politicians. Her name has been floated for everything from Senator to Governor – and higher. “I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s the first or second female president of the United States,” former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, a Giffords mentor, told The New York Times in 2007.

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  • 53_3

    Thanks for this in-depth discussion, JNS.
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    We need to know as much as possible about the surrounding context.
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    From what I’ve seen, the shooter is a nutjob, and some of the things he says have some parallels in the rhetoric being tossed around, but it is too soon to say for certain what motivated him.
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    The fact be told is that whatever the condition of the shooter, nutjob or not, the purveyors of the rhetoric bear some responsibility for the event.
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    I will not say more, yet…

  • 53_3

    Wow. RIP. I’m very sorry.
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    A 9-year old girl was killed.
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    The shooter, together with those who did foment this will go straight to hell…

  • http://24ahead.com/ kattest123

    The first reports appear to have misspelled the shooter’s name. I’ve posted what *appears* to be a Youtube vid he posted at this link.
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    I’ve cached all five vids from that channel in case they get taken down. If that video is from the shooter, his ideology is more that of a deranged libertarian extremist.

  • hippooath

    It doesn’t really matter what political leaning he’s from; when there is a culture of accepting the constant bashing of one part as anti-american with not one peep either from the media or the political parties, you give breeding room to the worst kind of people.

    I’m sure we all agree that you have to be 90 degrees away from sane to do something like this but in a open society an acceptance of the very worst of rethoric is devastating for anyone that stands in the line of fire.

    Like the weather underground. And like every single nutball person from the very beginning of time until this moment.

    We don’t have to remove our free speech rigths to counter this hysteria; we could just publicly tell these people to back their hysteria up with something or STFU and go to the back of the evolutionary bus.

  • http://24ahead.com/ kattest123

    The Dems frequently act in anti-American ways, such as by offering bills that would take college educations away from Americans (the DREAMACt) or by playing the race card against millions of Americans just because they’re white (or over 55).
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    The pro-American thing for the Dems to have done regarding the teapartiers is to have shown why their policy ideas (such as they are) are wrong. Instead, they’ve consistently been unwilling to do that. For the Dems’ intellectual elite – i.e., Maddow – it’s just been one teabagger joke after another.
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    The suspect doesn’t appear to have been a teapartier so much as a deranged libertarian extremist, but if the Dems had made valid, logical, civil, pro-American arguments against their opponents they could have discredited those opponents and made the political environment more civil.

  • hippooath

    “The suspect doesn’t appear to have been a teapartier so much as a deranged libertarian extremist, but if the Dems had made valid, logical, civil, pro-American arguments against their opponents they could have discredited those opponents and made the political environment more civil.”
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    Pro-American huh? What is a pro-American argument? Bend over some more?
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    So what you’re saying is that – it’s our fault that someone else calls us anti-american and then some nutbag takes that to heart and shoot at us?
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    We’ve shown time and time again why the TP is wrong. The retort was death panels. That illustrates full well the depth of conversation.
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    It’s comedy to suggest that if we only said please every time some @sshole called us socialists this extreme guy wouldn’t had a reason to go kill people.

  • http://24ahead.com/ kattest123

    The leftwing response to Palin has consisted largely of untrue stories, smears, going after her kids, and so on. I can’t recall seeing a valid, logical, level-headed argument against her policy ideas. Something similar is true of the leftwing response to the “teabaggers”.
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    If the Dems could offer valid, logical, level-headed arguments they could have encouraged civility. But, they did not. That’s not blaming the victim, it’s a fact.

  • ohiolibb

    The suspect doesn’t appear to have been a teapartier so much as a deranged libertarian extremist
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    ie, a Tea Partier.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Katt,
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    Your comments are awful.
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    First, if you were aware of reality, Democrats have pushed for better and better student loans over the years while anti-education, pro-ignorance (if you love rhetoric, there’s some for you) Republicans want to slash and burn government including student loans.
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    Second, if you had ever seen a college campus, you would notice that they are almost all dramatically expanding, not shrinking. So, the concept of pushing Americans out of college is just pure BullS hit.
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    Third, the number of people involved in the DREAM Act would have been a tiny fraction of one percent of the students.
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    Fourth, for these people who were just below getting into a school by a fraction of one percent, they would go to the next best school which accepts them. Todays students apply to 10 to 20 schools, not one or two.
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    Fifth, if you are from a different country and your parents without concern for your opinion (as no family is ordered around by the children, but the other way around) at age 0 to 15 decide to come here it’s not their fault nor their responsibility for being here illegally. Outside of running away from home to become a street whore and use the money to return to your home country, you, yourself able to do anything but to stay here with your parents.
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    Sixth, averaging out 0 to the day before you 16th birthday would be 8 years old.
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    By age 18 if you came to America at age 8 are very much American, wear American clothes, listen to American music, have all American friends and have no idea how to live in your parents’ country.
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    Calling this “anti-American” rather than “Something I, Katt, disagree with” is the problem.

  • hippooath

    “The leftwing response to Palin has consisted largely of untrue stories, smears, going after her kids, and so on. I can’t recall seeing a valid, logical, level-headed argument against her policy ideas. Something similar is true of the leftwing response to the “teabaggers”.
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    If the Dems could offer valid, logical, level-headed arguments they could have encouraged civility. But, they did not. That’s not blaming the victim, it’s a fact.”
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    Remember Sarah Palin displaying a image of the now shot woman with a target over it? That kind of encouragement?
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    I try not to call Sarah idiot, because I don’t think she’s dumb. Ignorant, but not dumb. I don’t bring her kids into it because it’s not their fault she’s ignorant.
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    But I can’t for the life of me remember one single time Sarah Palin encouraged any kind of civility when talking about her political opponents or anyone for that matter.
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    Like the time this radio prattler said the N word over and over to this black woman. Sarah said, don’t retreat when the radio prattler decided it was time to call it quits. She told the radio prattler to reload.
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    Or death panels. Holding up her baby as a prop that she didn’t want death panels to determine if that boy lived or not.
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    That is the kind of civil encouragement that your wonderful Sarah Palin offer.
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    So with all due respect. You can take your facts and place them on the other pile of facts you just made after eating McDonalds.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Katt,
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    If you want level hardheadedness, Democrats are the one’s to speak to.
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    Centrists to social democrats (all under this large umbrella of Democrats) are famous for being so level headed that we put people to sleep.
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    Palin truth: hunters have said that she was a terrible hunter on TV.
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    Palin truth: Her daughter was pregnant as a teenager.
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    Palin truth: She was unpopular in Alaska after she quit her first and only term as governor.
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    Palin truth: she has a four year degree when many people in office attended graduate school including Obama, GWB, Clinton, Nixon and Kennedy.
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    Palin truth: her pre-political life included sports broadcaster and owner/manager of a car wash with no significant management experience.
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    Palin truth: Authors of Game Change spoke with aids to McCain who confided that Palin did not understand why there were two Koreas instead of one and which one we were allied with.
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    How much more do you want?
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    She was unqualified and is not somebody who poses a threat to the Democratic Party but, with her rhetoric may have inspired VIOLENCE.
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    So, why would we like this woman?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Katt,
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    Seriously, read over many of the discussions here.
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    There are links as well to follow.
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    If you just think listening to one right wing source for news is good enough to be an informed American ready to vote for the best interest of your country, you are just plain wrong.
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    If you read this blog regularly, you would see who liberals are and who Tea Partiers are.
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    Which do you think is worse “tea bagger” or “libertard”.
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    See I only heard of “tea bagging” once in my life when hanging out with friends in college (as a gross joke) I didn’t know what it was.

  • Friar Tuck

    The suspect doesn’t appear to have been a teapartier so much as a deranged libertarian extremist, but if the Dems had made valid, logical, civil, pro-American arguments against their opponents they could have discredited those opponents and made the political environment more civil.
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    So, basically, no matter what happens, Democrats are to blame. Same old song from the same old trolls.
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    All very funny until the shooting starts.

  • diecash1

    If the Dems could offer valid, logical, level-headed arguments they could have encouraged civility. But, they did not. That’s not blaming the victim, it’s a fact.

    Yeah, if only the Dems could have made some mythical argument, none of this would have happened…….riiiiight. If you don’t see that you’re blaming the victim, you’re an abject moron. Clear enough for you?

  • diecash1

    Yep, their ignorance is astounding. I still can’t believe that jacka$$’s commentary. Unbelievable.

  • bobcn1

    The attack – no matter what the motivation – is bound is revive the debate over congressional safety from last summer’s controversial health care town hall meetings.
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    Hopefully this event will bring an end to the incidents of people showing up at political events brandishing weapons. That kind of behavior should never have been tolerated in the past, and shouldn’t be allowed in the future.

  • diecash1

    Oh c’mon bob. You don’t really believe the strident pro-gun faction is going to give up their God-given-right to carry guns to public gatherings and rallies do you? I don’t see that happening even if Congress passes a law. There would be lawsuits, whining and bad press until it was overturned.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    Funny how you can get banned from redstate for your insanity, lonewhacko kattest123 (and pretty much everywhere else), yet still think that you have anything worthwhile to say.

    “The Dems made him do it” is a sad, twisted argument coming from a sick mind. Have you no shame whatsoever?

  • connectedtraveler

    Everything the extreme right does is ‘misunderstood’.

    Are cross hairs and phrases such as ‘reload’ hints towards shootings? No, thats misunderstood.

    Are caricatures of Obama as a minstrel racist in nature? No, that was misunderstood.

    Did people at Palin rallies during the election yell, terrorist, kill him etc etc? No that was misunderstood.

    I could go on and on.

    It’s time these media chow hounds took some responsibility for their words. Their ‘misunderstood’ words are lighting the fires under some very disturbed individuals. One cork just popped. How many more are simmering just waiting.

    Anyone that can’t see the connection is blind.

  • mjwilstein

    In her own words back in March, Giffords responded to Tea Party threats and Sarah Palin’s target map: http://gtcha.me/gA6OJV

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Laughner

    “kind of an interesting character” who kept to himself and was opinionated.
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    a person who knew Laughner in high school claimed he was “a loner and politically radical who was left-wing or liberal at the time, and obsessed with the 2012 phenomenon.”
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    the suspect had an extensive YouTube page under an account called “ClassItUp10,”[25] which states among other things that some of Loughner’s favorite books are Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto; one video told viewers, “You don’t have to accept the federalist laws,” called for a return to the gold standard, and accused the government of mind-controlling and brainwashing the citizenry.
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    I know the right wingers are going to have a field day with this, I find it interesting. If not tonight, then within the next few days we will be hearing reports that he had been treated for a serious mental illness; which will enforce, for some, that the mentally ill are violent. But statistic show that the mentally ill are less likely to commit a violent crime than the general population.

  • http://24ahead.com/ kattest123

    Patrickartor: for years, the Dems – joined with many in the GOP – have been pushing the anti-American DREAM Act. As described at the link, that bill would let foreign citizens who were here illegally take college educations away from Americans. Many of those Americans who’d lose out on college would be poorer and of color.
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    The anti-American bill would have many other negative consequences, including braindraining foreign countries of the people they need to take on their corrupt elites.
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    And, the Dems only push the bill because they’re corrupt: they want to get votes out of the deal.

  • http://24ahead.com/ kattest123

    RS has never been able to provide a logical explanation of why I was banned, but the reason is clear: because I opposed GWB.
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    Your past statements have shown that you’re just a lil’ fascist who doesn’t believe in open debate.

  • http://24ahead.com/ kattest123

    patricksartor:
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    Thank you for your interest. However, at my main site alone I’ve posted over 9200 entries since 2002 (before this site was started) and I know who’s who and what’s what.
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    Click here for the list of topics I cover. It really isn’t that difficult to find that page, yet patricksartor couldn’t do it.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    That’s easy. If I remember correctly, it was some tea party guy who first used the name “teabagger”. Libertard has been forced down our throats, but I wear it proudly.

  • 3xfire3

    Kattest123,
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    “The pro-American thing for the Dems to have done regarding the teapartiers is to have shown why their policy ideas (such as they are) are wrong. Instead, they’ve consistently been unwilling to do that. For the Dems’ intellectual elite – i.e., Maddow – it’s just been one teabagger joke after another.”
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    “The leftwing response to Palin has consisted largely of untrue stories, smears, going after her kids, and so on. I can’t recall seeing a valid, logical, level-headed argument against her policy ideas. Something similar is true of the leftwing response to the “teabaggers”.
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    Kattest, your comments are absolutely correct.
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    As you can see, closed minded Liberals believe that only Republicans call name and demonize their opponents.
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    Their minds are so closed that they don’t hear all the demonizing and hateful comments that they make towards Republicans. On this site alone hateful comments are made by Liberals 10 to 1 more often than by Conservatives.
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    They don’t understand this because in their twisted minds they believe what they say is true and therefor is not really hateful.
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    Liberal Democrats are just as guilty of making negative comments as Conservative Republicans are.
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    An act like this shooting is the actions of a crazy person and is not the blame of either political party.
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    I certainly don’t blame Liberal Democrats for Reagan being shoot and Democrats should not try to blame Republicans for this insane act.

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  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    Your past statements have shown that you’re just a lil’ fascist who doesn’t believe in open debate.
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    Which statements are you referring to? The ones critical of you?
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    Oh, no. You see, pointing out the fact that many other people have banned you for being a xenophobic lunatic does not equal a lack of belief in the principle of open debate any more than calling me a “lil’ fascist” does…which means that you are either wrong or a hypocrite for making the statement excerpted above.
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    Actually, it’s hilarious and sad that you write something as pejorative as “The Dems frequently act in anti-American ways” and then whine about how we don’t believe in ‘open debate’ when various commenters call you on your BS. You’re unaware that you are doing the exact thing you are accusing others of doing. Hilarious and sad.

  • sasquatch08

    Best wishes to Rep. Giffords and her family for a full and speedy recovery. May you return to life and your work with your full faculties and more.
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    OK. I’m not going to lie, I didn’t read most of the comments above because I probably would have had a heart attack if I did. However I read enough to say the following:
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    As a gun owner and collector: This is a f@&king tragedy, no publicly elected official (or private citizen) should be shot for discharging their duties no matter how much you disagree with what they do. Had I been there and not incapacitated or dead, I would have shot this mother-trucker ASAP. Shot him dead if I was capable.
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    Don’t try to turn it into a political issue, and don’t try to make it into a party issue unless you WANT the label of “total douche-bag”, because doing so is making you exactly that. Yes, some of you have become douches over this.
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    That said, enough of this BS about “incendiary rhetoric”. This is like arguing video games led to Columbine. It’s total crap, and even the people who argue this point of view know it. Words didn’t make this guy shoot people, nor did a gun. He’s f^&king crazy, that’s why he did this, there is no other reason. NONE.
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    Free speech is free speech, every once in awhile it will motivate a nutjob to do something crazy, don’t blame the free speech, blame the nutjob. He might pull a gun on innocent people or he might drive his car down a crowded sidewalk, the outcome is the same.
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    And as some have done, don’t make this out to be a partisan issue. I’ve already seen people (though not here thankfully) argue that this guy was a right wing nut. That may be true, however what if he was a left wing nut? Maybe Rep. Giffords wasn’t liberal enough (as a blue dog as she is)?
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    Let’s all just admit that we can’t catch every crazy person before they cause trouble, and let us hope, and pray (if that’s your thing), that Rep. Giffords has a quick and full recovery and is back to work most ricky tick.

  • hippooath

    “And as some have done, don’t make this out to be a partisan issue. I’ve already seen people (though not here thankfully) argue that this guy was a right wing nut. That may be true, however what if he was a left wing nut? Maybe Rep. Giffords wasn’t liberal enough (as a blue dog as she is)?
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    Let’s all just admit that we can’t catch every crazy person before they cause trouble, and let us hope, and pray (if that’s your thing), that Rep. Giffords has a quick and full recovery and is back to work most ricky tick.”
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    In other words – the evil of liberals remain intact, while the induvidual crazies are just what crazy people do.
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    How many more crazy people will it take before people start looking at the rhetoric and wonder if that’s really conductive to a debate? When will at least who’s ever side that sets this craziness off tell them to sit down and shut up?
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    I would. I wouldn’t wait until someone gets shot before I pull out my own gun and shoot back. I would say it to the person before it ever gets to that point.
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    So what is it?
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    Are we going to have the lets hide the crazy in the closet again or are we going to have a debate about tolerating this kind of bloody nonsense anymore.

  • ohiolibb

    On this site alone hateful comments are made by Liberals 10 to 1 more often than by Conservatives
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    Can you find any of those hateful comments by the scary libruls, 3x, or is this another R hallucination? And please note: condescending, annoying, and snarky do not count as “hatedul”. Put up or shut up.

  • sasquatch08

    “How many more crazy people will it take before people start looking at the rhetoric…”
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    So you’re not OK with free speech? Your side is the one that started putting cross-hairs on people and screaming that we should murder the president and vice president for “war crimes” without a trial. Maybe we should “silence” that “rhetoric”? Please. Are you trying to fall into the douche category? Oh wait, with this post you already did.
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    How many more crazy people will it take before we realize that screaming “racist” isn’t the answer? Take your incendiary rhetoric, and your false problems with it and shove them all, you know where. Liberals created this incendiary atmosphere and now they decry it. Cry me a river for the problems you created and now want to blame on others.
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    “I wouldn’t wait until someone gets shot before I pull out my own gun…”
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    Say hello to prison and the Nazi party.
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    “In other words – the evil of liberals remain intact, while the induvidual crazies are just what crazy people do.”
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    Wtf does that even mean. Maybe your uber-liberal friends know what that means, but those of us that speak English don’t. You just need something to protest. Sorry it’s not 1970, in 2011 you actually have to MAKE SENSE.
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    “Are we going to have the lets hide the crazy in the closet again or are we going to have a debate about tolerating this kind of bloody nonsense anymore.”
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    My point exactly. Stop trying to make it a “right” or “left” issue. The liberals in Europe are the ones trying to light cops of fire in the street. Am I here yelling about liberals being violent? No.
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    You just don’t want someone who isn’t liberal to be “right”. as Jimmy (South Park) would say you’re a D-d-d-douchebag…

  • apr2563

    http://firedoglake.com/2011/01/08/9-year-old-girl-killed-in-tuscon-shooting-christina-taylor-green-was-911-faces-of-hope-baby/
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    Link has pictures of a beautiful young girl.
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    Officials have released the name of the 9 year-old girl killed in the shooting of Gabby Giffords and 18 others in Tucson today. Her name is Christina Taylor Green, and a neighbor had brought her along to the Safeway to meet Rep. Giffords because she thought she would enjoy it.
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    Christina has recently been elected to serve on her school’s student council, and was active in baseball and ballet. And according to the NBC DC affiliate and the Sydney Morning Herald, she was born on 9/11 and was included in the book “Faces of Hope, Babies Born on 9/11.

  • apr2563

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/the-cloudy-logic-of-political-shootings/69147/
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    James Fallows on the murky logic of political shootings and the influence of rhetoric. Last paragraph:
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    That’s the further political ramification here. We don’t know why the Tucson killer did what he did. If he is like Sirhan, we’ll never “understand.” But we know that it has been a time of extreme, implicitly violent political rhetoric and imagery, including SarahPac’s famous bulls-eye map of 20 Congressional targets to be removed — including Rep. Giffords. It is legitimate to discuss whether there is a connection between that tone and actual outbursts of violence, whatever the motivations of this killer turn out to be. At a minimum, it will be harder for anyone to talk — on rallies, on cable TV, in ads — about “eliminating” opponents, or to bring rifles to political meetings, or to say “don’t retreat, reload.”

  • sasquatch08

    Oh and let me be clear. You’re not a doucheb@g for having an opinion. You’re a total and complete doucheb@g for attempting to politicize this terrible incident, which as I pointed out should not be politicized.
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    So yeah. Salutations, Doucheb@g.
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    So yeah hippooath… you’re a doucheb@g and you’ve displayed it for everyone on this blog.
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    Oh and I forgot this: “When will at least who’s ever side that sets this craziness off tell them to sit down and shut up?”
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    So just one “side” or “group” is responsible? Trying to play politics on a tragedy are you (you are and even your allies on here know it)? That’s exactly what you’re doing and don’t act like you’d have a totally different response if this woman had an R next to her name. You are a DOUCHEB@G and nothing more. Hell, you’re not even worthy of the title of “doucheb@g”!
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    F^@k you. You’re an irresponsible @sshole and a moron. You may have the right to speak, but I certainly hope everyone else here exercises their right to ignore your bigoted, uneducated, moronic and ideological butt.

  • hippooath

    “So you’re not OK with free speech? Your side is the one that started putting cross-hairs on people and screaming that we should murder the president and vice president for “war crimes” without a trial. Maybe we should “silence” that “rhetoric”? Please. Are you trying to fall into the douche category? Oh wait, with this post you already did.”
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    My side? I did? Let me see here. I ask for people to tell their crazies to shut up before we come to this point, and I’m a d-bag. At what point does telling someone to shut up remove their free speech? Did I say first smack them really hard so they shut up or did I say point a gun at them to shut them up? This is astoundingly lazy thinking.
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    “How many more crazy people will it take before we realize that screaming “racist” isn’t the answer? Take your incendiary rhetoric, and your false problems with it and shove them all, you know where. Liberals created this incendiary atmosphere and now they decry it. Cry me a river for the problems you created and now want to blame on others.”
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    What exactly did I ‘create’? How many times did I indict conservatives for this? Did I say that if Glenn Beck says something hateful and crazy it’s all conservatives fault? I think I said what will it take before we stop pretending that our crazies are just crazy and to tell them to shut up before we get to this point. In other words; stop accepting this in our political philosophies name. Another interesting thing. Read your post. How many times are you indicting liberals. Let’s see – liberals started putting cross-hairs on people. Liberals created this incendiary atmosphere. Below. Liberals in Europe (as if liberals in Europe are the same as ‘liberals’ here). What’s with you and liberal this and liberal that? And what’s with this moral equivalence BS – someone started something? BTW – where did I call anyone racist? Is this one more of those ‘a liberal said racist, you’re a liberal so obviously you all think alike’ mental moments?
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    Who gives a sh!t who started ‘something’. We’re at a point where people are getting killed. Do you think I would play hide the bucket if some crazy leftists shot down a republican? No. Why would I be so partisan dumb that I would accept that ‘our’ side use violence?
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    “Wtf does that even mean. Maybe your uber-liberal friends know what that means, but those of us that speak English don’t. You just need something to protest. Sorry it’s not 1970, in 2011 you actually have to MAKE SENSE.
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    How many times have I read about the weather underground this, Obama and Ayres that and how somehow we as ‘liberals’ are identical to a organization that committed horrible acts before I was even born. You can bet that any conversation that wanders into radicalization will eventually drag this group of people into it.
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    But as you seem to want, Exile and others – this guy is a lone crazy. Not rightwing, libertarian, political or otherwise. Just as the guy that killed the museum guard, the guy who shot the police men, the militia who wanted to blow up the cops etc are just crazy individuals. Let’s not face what sets them off because connecting the dots between these guys and the stream of babble about how liberals want to destroy, control, socialize etc the country is just not there. But there will take absolutely no effort to say that in one moment Obama is a radical Christian, a closet Manchurian candidate Muslim or that he’s a Marxist because of Bill Ayres. That never ends. The instant the crazy people on the right does something it’s simply because they’re crazy. Take a crazy person on the left and it becomes a circus.
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    “You just don’t want someone who isn’t liberal to be “right”. as Jimmy (South Park) would say you’re a D-d-d-douchebag…”
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    Actually no. I want for people in the conservative movement to stop pretending that there isn’t a problem with the rhetoric that comes out of some people who say they’re conservatives. That’s not an indictment from me on any conservative, it’s you pretending that there’s no problem what so ever. It’s not me trying to make this a partisan issue. It’s me telling you that I will never tolerate someone to pervert what I believe in for the purpose of killing anyone. Never.
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    You know – I have to listen to the endless stream of nonsense from trolls here. Whining about being called names right after and before they do it themselves and it’s very hard to take anyone serious that makes that the summary of their post. I don’t care if that makes me a dbag in your eyes. You can call me names all day and night long, but in the end it won’t change the fact that someone got shot today. Most likely for political reasons no matter how crazy that person is. As it won’t change every single act of violence in the name of politics the last couple of decades.
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    We can either show some testicular fortitude and do something about it so we all can debate according to the strength of our democratic republic, or we can all pretend it’s sunshine when these acts start to replace what should be a vigorous debate about what’s best for our country. Or we can do like you. Project blame; there’s nothing here and btw, you guys started it. That’s what you’re saying from the very first sentence – I’m a douche bag for making the uncomfortable connection between crazy and crazy rhetoric and I’m also (as a liberal) to blame anyways.
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    Unreal.

  • rover27

    Correction in JNS’s column on Giffords. It states she ‘loudly voted for Steny Hoyer’ over Pelosi as Speaker. Yet the link provided leads to an article that states she was one of 2 Democrats to vote for John Lewis as Speaker.

    Not sure why it states that not only did she vote for Hoyer, but did so loudly? Didn’t she vote for Lewis?

  • hippooath

    “Oh and let me be clear. You’re not a doucheb@g for having an opinion. You’re a total and complete doucheb@g for attempting to politicize this terrible incident, which as I pointed out should not be politicized.
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    So yeah. Salutations, Doucheb@g.
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    So yeah hippooath… you’re a doucheb@g and you’ve displayed it for everyone on this blog.
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    Oh and I forgot this: “When will at least who’s ever side that sets this craziness off tell them to sit down and shut up?”
    .
    So just one “side” or “group” is responsible? Trying to play politics on a tragedy are you (you are and even your allies on here know it)? That’s exactly what you’re doing and don’t act like you’d have a totally different response if this woman had an R next to her name. You are a DOUCHEB@G and nothing more. Hell, you’re not even worthy of the title of “doucheb@g”!
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    F^@k you. You’re an irresponsible @sshole and a moron. You may have the right to speak, but I certainly hope everyone else here exercises their right to ignore your bigoted, uneducated, moronic and ideological butt.”
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    Thank you.
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    “When will at least who’s ever side that sets this craziness off tell them to sit down and shut up?
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    I would. I wouldn’t wait until someone gets shot before I pull out my own gun and shoot back. I would say it to the person before it ever gets to that point.”
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    Whit ‘who’s ever side’ I mean, whether it’s left or right. As I add below which you ignored in your rant about dbag this and dbag that; I would. If someone committed this as a leftie, I as a ‘leftie’ would speak out against it.
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    In other words – I don’t care which side have the worst rhetoric. We – you and I – should tell them to sit down and shut up. We shouldn’t let their extreme views hijack our legitimate and probably more valid political view points.
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    And lastly – I didn’t politicize the killing. The killer did. Whether he’s on the right, left or in between is not the issue. Whatever motivated the killing of one of our political representatives wasn’t done in a vacuum. It does have a political meaning. But as I’ve stated before; it’s not an indictment of all of one political spectrum – it’s a indictment of ALL of the political spectrum if we allow this to be the voice of our political discourse.
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    I enjoy free speech and I know there will always be people on the fringe, but if we allow them a much larger soap box than they have, we also shrink the importance of the democratic process for all of us.
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    I’m really not interested in your long, meaningless rant about what you think about me personally. It’s irrelevant and nonsensical. You either give me more importance than it deserves or you honestly think I care about your opinion of me. None of it changes what happened or what I hope we’re going to do as a result of this. That we through the entirely political spectrum use this as a reason to kick back the fringe under the rock where they belong so we can have an adult conversation without meaningless distraction and where we minimize that this will happen again.

  • deconstructiva

    Well said, hippooath, on all your points to sasquatch here and previous thread. It’s interesting to note that more on the right initiate genuine anger (during these shooting discussions) than those on the left and center – they (we) tend to reply in anger rather than hurl it at others to start with. I don’t think it’s a coincidence.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Katt,
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    Are you familiar with the term “Blogwhoring”?
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    I’m not going to follow your link.
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    Post it and discuss it here if you want comments from me.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Mr Magoo,
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    Use actual quotes about these supposed “lies” about Sarah Palin.
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    Next, find a liberal and/or Democratic lie about Republican plans which can compare to “death panels” who would euthanize the elderly and the disabled.
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    If I were in Nazi Germany where this did happen prior to the killing of Jews, I would want to fight off Nazis with guns and bombs myself as any ethical person would.
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    Obviously Sarah Palin’s death panels are a horrible and disgraceful lie.
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    The closest we have ever had to death panels are insurance companies deciding on behalf of the insured if the life saving surgery is worth it to them and HCR was to remove them from power.
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    Find rhetoric which makes false claims about GWB, Cheney, Boehner or Sarah Palin starting a Holocaust and you might have some trace of credibility.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Sasquatch,
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    If rhetoric was not an issue, why is it that over the past 30 years almost every single act of domestic terrorism comes from the right?
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    Obviously this isn’t just an ordinary conservative or libertarian. This is a total nut.
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    But why is it that nuts don’t randomly chose right wing targets half the time and left wing targets the other half of the time.
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    Inflammatory rhetoric is the reason.
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    Don’t get me wrong, I adore the first amendment which forbids all levels of government from using it’s force to prohibit or discourage speech.
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    There is one other means well within and making use of the first amendment: for the media to call out the Glenn Becks and Sarah Palin’s of this country and shout back that they are liars and totally unreasonable until those people adapt what they say, lose their audience, lose their sponsors or treated as complete liars with no credibility at all by everybody left, right, libertarian (an unmarked place somewhere in the center) and center.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Too sad to think too much about.
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    If I dwell on that for too long, it would ruin my day.
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    But thanks for the info.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “The [DREAM Act] would have many other negative consequences, including braindraining foreign countries of the people they need to take on their corrupt elites.”
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    Most of these countries have two classes: the haves and the have nots.
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    If you are one of the haves, you could come here very, very easily.
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    If you are one of the have nots, then you might have to be an illegal immigrant to come here.
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    If you are a have not in many of these countries (and we are talking about over 150 countries here – a huge generalization to say the least) and stay, you are unlikely to be able to do anything useful in your homeland no matter how much intelligence you were born with.
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    “And, the Dems only push the bill because they’re corrupt: they want to get votes out of the deal.”
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    First, creating laws to get votes is not corrupt at all! It is what democracy is all about. You, an elected official do what a majority of us want and you get to keep your job or, possibly, get elected to higher office.
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    Second, how many votes? Newly legalized teenagers or twenty somethings (the group least likely to vote by age are twenty somethings and non-whites and/or the children of immigrants are less likely to vote) are these votes they would get?
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    How much would that add up to 0.03% in a best case scenario?
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    Ridiculous.
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    And, therefore, you are saying that it is okay to say that Democrats wish to harm America?
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    How about you, personally, disagree with Democrats, instead?

  • apr2563

    Flashback: Giffords Opponent Had M16 Shooting Event, ‘Help Remove Gabrielle Giffords From Office’
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    Back in June 2010, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords’s (D-AZ) Republican opponent Jesse Kelly had an event at which voters could shoot an assault rifle with the candidate, promoted as thus:

    Get on Target for Victory in November Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly
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    H/T: TPM

  • apr2563

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/palin-aide-crosshairs-on-target-list-not-actually-gun-sights.php#more
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    Palin aide said crosshairs on target list not actually gunsights.
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    Yet on a tweet, Palin refers to them as bulleye icons.
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    I know it is hard for SP but she needs to just stay quiet for a while.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Katt like Rusty a right winger banned from Red State.
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    Katt, are you Rusty’s girlfriend?
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    If so, that would explain a great deal about you.

  • bella6626

    The writer of this piece is not even American. He is British. He has no right to even comment on this event. He wasn’t there. He knows nothing of American politics. This article should just be thrown out with the rest of the trash.

  • deconstructiva

    Which writer and piece are you talking about? If you’re talking about the author of this blog post, Jay is a woman.

  • apr2563

    Huh???

  • deconstructiva

    I didn’t know Jay was British. I thought one of her parents was Aussie.

  • http://docreviewing.wordpress.com docreviewer01

    Not to inject some facts into a good rant, but…”free speech” is not “free speech.” I’ll point you to Brandenburg v. Ohio in which the Supreme Court, in overturning a conviction on the grounds that the person involved was protected by the First Amendment, stated, in effect, that free speech is free speech “except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing immiment lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.”

    So yeah, I think it can be argued that stating a person needs to be taken out and putting a target by her name while also discussing taking back the country and reloading could be see as likely to produce immiment lawless action.

  • hippooath

    “The writer of this piece is not even American. He is British. He has no right to even comment on this event. He wasn’t there. He knows nothing of American politics. This article should just be thrown out with the rest of the trash.”.
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    Huh? I see. We need to have a check on whom is a citizen of this country before we consider anything they write now.
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    You my friend need a hug.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jnsmall Jay Newton-Small

    Um, sorry Bella6626, I was born in New york City — Manhattan. I am American. My Dad’s Australian, but that doesn’t give me UK nationality. But, only Americans can write about the tragedy?
    JNS

  • deconstructiva

    How do people NOT know Jay is a woman? Can’t they tell just by her name alone? Or her photo on the home page? Or when she’s on TV?

  • sacredh

    JNS, you’re a very attractive woman. No adam’s apple either I noticed. Even if you weren’t an American citizen, since when has that stopped any American journalist from writing about another country?

  • Reporter

    It’s so sad this tragedy has become politicized, and for me that peaceful Libertarians are being dragged into it or identified with the far right. Thank you for the article. Please see http://www.Libertarian-International.org to see more on world Libertarians, and http://www.ISIL.org for world Libertarian workshops.

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