The Dawn of the House of Boehner

John Boehner stood before the packed House chamber; its members and their families were giving him a standing ovation. He took out a handkerchief and wiped the tears from his eyes – he always hated about himself that he’s prone to crying at important moments – and waved his audience to their seats. “I’m still just me,” he laughed. And so began the 112th Congress under Speaker Boehner.

Boehner takes the helm of the House at a time of great political volatility. Just four years ago, Democrats swept into power in the House making Nancy Pelosi the first woman Speaker. The chamber has had a 20+ seat swing in all three of the last elections. In order to maintain his majority, Boehner’s must balance the demands of a new generation of Tea Party freshmen – and the movement they represent — while trying to work hand-in-hand with the Democratically-controlled Senate and White House to pass legislation.

“We gather here today at a time of great challenges,” Boehner said. “Nearly one of 10 of our neighbors is out of work. Health care costs are still rising for American families. Our spending has caught up with us, and our debt soon will eclipse the entire size of our national economy. Hard work and tough decisions will be required of the 112th Congress. No longer can we fall short. No longer can we kick the can down the road. The people voted to end business as usual, and today we begin to carry out their instructions.”

Boehner’s first moves show the delicate balance he’s trying to strike: he’s worked to give the Democratic minority more of a voice and to decentralize much of the power that has been concentrated into the Speaker’s office over the last 20 years; at the same time the House’s first act will be to repeal health care reform next week, a strong rejection of Obama’s signature achievement.

Boehner’s speech was, typically, brief – just 12 minutes, one minute shorter than Pelosi’s preceding handover. He managed to make it through without crying, though his wife Debbie, in the Speaker’s box in the gallery up and to the right of the floor, openly mopped her eyes as he took the oath of office. “I did look better when I showed up at the beginning,” she laughed ruefully on her way out. “It’s just been emotional the whole time. He was a janitor in khakis when I met him, you know? One of twelve, Catholic, you know? It was never expected, of course not. But we’re very proud of him – whole family is and all of our friends.”

Ten of Boehner’s 11 siblings – he noted his brother Gary could not break away from the restaurant he runs in Georgia – surrounded Debbie in the box. Many of them clutched tissues, crying through his speech. Behind them sat Pelosi’s family and friends, including her brother former Baltimore Mayor Tommy D’Alesandro.

Boehner received the united support of his conference – 242 votes minus his; it’s traditional for the Speaker-designate to refrain from voting. Tonight, he’ll hold a formal reception at the Library of Congress for supporters, family and friends. Last night a more intimate group causally feted the Speaker-to-be over chili, beer and wine at the Capitol Hill Club. Given the economic times – and Boehner’s aversion to the spotlight – the opening ceremonies have been studiously understated. “I like everything about the way he’s handled this transition,” said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, who was present on the House floor for the event. “It’s exactly what voters were looking for – no pomp, no frills – just getting down to work on the things Americans want us to do.”

At the foot of the rostrum stood close Boehner friends Senators Richard Burr and Saxby Chambliss and Rep. Tom Latham, an Iowa Republican. Former Vice President Dan Quayle sat next to his son, Benjamin Quayle, a freshman Republican representing Arizona, in the front row. Former Rep. Joe Scarborough glad-handed his way across the floor while his MSNBC Morning Joe co-host, Mika Brzezinski, stayed up in the press galleries. Many members brought children: Democrat Jason Altmire’s two daughters flanked him as he took the oath of office; Republican Michele Bachmann’s teenage daughter sat on her lap in the front row during the speeches; and three of Pelosi’s 10 grandkids meet her as she came off the rostrum.

The ceremony was, on the whole, civil and boisterous. Both Boehner and Pelosi received standing ovations and Pelosi passed Boehner a mock giant gavel, which produced chuckles from more than a few members. It was a degree of decorum not often seen in the last “You lie!” Congress. If only it would last.

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  • shepherdwong

    Boehner’s first moves show the delicate balance he’s trying to strike: he’s worked to give the Democratic minority more of a voice and to decentralize much of the power that has been concentrated into the Speaker’s office over the last 20 years; at the same time the House’s first act will be to repeal health care reform next week…
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    …the new majority intends to pass the health care repeal next week without committee hearings or permitting Democrats a chance to seek changes.
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    Fixed that reporting for you JNS. BTW, do you and your colleagues intend to keep treating Republicans credulously, as respectable and deserving of consideration, rather than the lying traitors they really are? Of course you do.
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    http://www.valleynewslive.com/Global/story.asp?S=13786468

  • deconstructiva

    Jay, thanks for your busy work today, even if you don’t have much time for us (or are hiding; given last post’s comments, it’s understandable). But will “The Dawn of …Boehner” become “Dawn of the Dead” and the minority D’s will hide in chambers like the ones trapped in the shopping mall in the Romero film?
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    The phrase that caught my eye is 2nd paragraph’s “…while trying to work hand-in-hand with the Democratically-controlled Senate and White House to pass legislation.” Others here may try to scold you for that (or other phrases) but I won’t. Tears for Fears Boehner may tell you to your face that he’s trying to work h-in-h but do you think he’s sincere?
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    Given he’s from the Old School R’s maybe he’s aware that if they don’t produce …as in create jobs… they’re toast in ’12? But at least McConnell and Rand Paul’s motives are out in the open so we know where they stand. But whither Boehner? What’s his real agenda? If you have conflicting sources (about him) whispering in your ear please share ‘em with us. Thank for your thoughts, Jay (really).

  • shepherdwong

    But at least McConnell and Rand Paul’s motives are out in the open so we know where they stand. But whither Boehner? What’s his real agenda?
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    Their motives and agendas are all the same – they’re Republicans – getting ahead by further enriching their corporate masters through tax cuts and deregulation and making the public ever-more cynical about government and Democrats, mostly by telling bald-faced lies to corporate “journalists.” And the Village Scribes all know perfectly well what their real motives and objectives are but they still telegraph the lies as if they’re not lies, which make them perfectly complicit in the Republican’s treason.

  • nflfoghorn

    Catholic…That explains Boner’s parents not believing in birth control.

  • nflfoghorn

    “Michele Bachmann’s teenage daughter sat on her lap in the front row”
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    What the…?

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    And there was much crying?

    This man could cry at the drop of a hat, and probably does.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Even with an approval rating around 22% the Democrats still vote for Queen Nancy.
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    Still, they don’t get it.

  • deconstructiva

    Too true, sigh. Fortunately not all corporate journalism needs called to attention: Olbermann and Maddow ARE part of the NBC corporate structure and don’t just work for indie mags scraping by. Alas, not all writers at Mother Jones cross over to work here for Palpatine and the Galactic Empire Time Warner.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    Square this:

    “Nearly one of 10 of our neighbors is out of work. Health care costs are still rising for American families. Our spending has caught up with us, and our debt soon will eclipse the entire size of our national economy.”

    against this:

    at the same time the House’s first act will be to repeal health care reform next week

    as well as the call to repeal the Dodd-Frank act.

    So far, the GOPers want to remove consumer financial protections, deny sick kids coverage, make uncontrolled bank bailouts possible again, remove insurance for those with preexisting conditions, and remove regulation that might keep the financial industry from plunging us into another recession.

    Not to mention destroying the jobs being created in anticipation of 32 million people getting access to health care, reduction of credit/debit card fees for retailers, etc.

    Not to mention increasing the deficit.

    I understand that calling BS is not the point of Jay’s coverage of BooHoo’s coronation (nor do I ever expect Jay to do any worthwhile analysis, period) but there really needs to be a spotlight shown on the real world impact of what the Teabagger wing of the GOP wants to do.

    The TeaBaggers don’t have a chance in hell of doing anything more than what the GOP money establishment wants. Sound and fury, ultimately signifying nothing.

    The good news is that, once the Teabaggers realize that they’ve been had (as we on the leftish side of the discussion have been saying for at least a year) they’ll start moving away from the establishment GOP like the religious right has…eventually the right wing will run out of demographic groups to rile up.

    Won’t happen anywhere near soon enough, ‘tho.

  • shepherdwong

    A fair point on too broad a brush. Thank God a few liberal flies have finally managed to get into the ointment. I blame the intertubes.

  • nflfoghorn

    This is your typical “Flox is #1 in ratings” blather. The American People don’t vote for House Minority Leader – the party of the House minority does. If we governed by approval ratings W would’ve been impeached and removed from office.
    Don’t let a little common sense get in the way of a numbskull opinion, right?

  • hippooath

    It’s a historic moment, they’re back in power (again) promoting the same ideas (again). Last time she sat in her lap it was ages ago in a time lost in mist (pre 2006). So little have changed, but the moment is forever captured in the people who forgot the stick in their eye back when.
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    Cue tears.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    What the…?
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    I’m sure that it was nothing that would have made for a decent Jerry Springer episode.

  • shepherdwong

    Even with an approval rating around 22% the Democrats still vote for Queen Nancy.
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    Funny, even after years of lying slander from Republicans (you’re still doing it, Pelosi’s approval rating is more like 35%), more people approve of and more people really, really like Nancy Pelosi than John Boehner.

    This month, just 34% of voters hold a favorable opinion of Boehner, including 11% with a Very Favorable view….Over half of voters (58%) hold an unfavorable opinion of Pelosi, including 43% with a Very Unfavorable opinion. Thirty-five percent (35%) view her favorably, with 13% who hold a Very Favorable regard for her.

    And this is from a pollster well-known for their “conservative” bias:
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    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_favorability_ratings

  • liberalmeltdown

    Yes, I know. I am talking about the Democrats, those that are left, in Congress. Not many left, but they still vote for the one that led them to defeat: Nancy. Never change, that’s your motto.

  • hippooath

    “Even with an approval rating around 22% the Democrats still vote for Queen Nancy.
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    Still, they don’t get it.”
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    We get it – we like people who try to get things done but get half way. You like people who tell you they’re going to do things and then don’t do it. It’s the whole – reality vs faith thingie.
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    One day you’ll tell us to wait until 100 percent of the house are TPers and then…then things will change.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Well what’s your excuse in California where the legislature had an 8% approval rating before the election? A legislature that has been controlled by Dems since the early 1990s, and has passed it’s own progressive agenda including a Global warming act, giving instate tuition to illegals, and not required welfare to work, raising taxes every year, never cutting anything. In fact, a reduction in the budget increase is demonized as a cut by the progressives.
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    They very same people were returned right back to the legislature. Like I said, your motto is never change.

  • hippooath

    “Well what’s your excuse in California where the legislature had an 8% approval rating before the election? A legislature that has been controlled by Dems since the early 1990s, and has passed it’s own progressive agenda including a Global warming act, giving instate tuition to illegals, and not required welfare to work, raising taxes every year, never cutting anything. In fact, a reduction in the budget increase is demonized as a cut by the progressives.
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    They very same people were returned right back to the legislature. Like I said, your motto is never change”
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    I see – we talk about the house and suddenly we’re talking about the California legislature. Glenn Beck school of Rock arguments.
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    Focus. But lets analyse it. I assume the same people who voted for this legislature also wanted them to pass these bills. Now tell me what the GOP house is going to pass. I mean like in moving forward and pass bills/ideas.
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    Repeal is on their agenda. Repeal, permanent tax cuts. More free room to corporate. More lobbyism. All of those progressive ideas we love in republicans.
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    So yeah – lets change the channel and attack California…ideas are so….21st century.

  • shepherdwong

    Not many left, but they still vote for the one that led them to defeat: Nancy.
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    It was the Blue Dog conservadems, the people who voted against Pelosi who were defeated. But don’t let the facts get in the way of a good right-wing lie because…you’re obviously a right-wing liar.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “In the decision, Justice Ming W. Chin wrote that providing the in-state tuition benefit for any student—including an illegal immigrant—who attends a California high school for three or more years and graduates does not violate federal immigration law.

    The decision reverses a 2008 appeals-court ruling that held the tuition benefit was unconstitutional. That ruling said the law had been pre-empted by a 1996 federal statute that prohibits providing a postsecondary benefit to illegal immigrants, based on their state residency, if the same benefit was not available to legal residents.”
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    http://chronicle.com/article/California-Supreme-Court/125398/
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    Psychiatric Meltdown holds the children ages 15 and under responsible for where their parents move them to.
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    Imagine a real life 14 year old running away from their parents back to their home country?
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    Bulls hit.
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    Obviously if you are brought here as a minor, you are not making your own decision and, therefore, should not be punished as if you had.
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    But that is not how psychiatric meltdown thinks. He wants to see children the ages of two through fourteen taking airplanes and stowing away on boats to escape the US by themselves.
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    You’re a real family values kind of a guy, aren’t you?

  • paulejb

    That’s real bi-partisanship, champ. Are the millions of Americans who voted Republican “traitors” too?

  • 53_3

    Just wait until you find those numbers go lower as your crackhead peers pursue a course of obstructionism rather than action.
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    And don’t give me “compromise” as an answer. There isn’t any middle ground.
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    See grape’s comment at 7 as a sample of the kind of GOP obstructionism that will ensue.
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    You see liberalmeltdown, the GOP posturing will make your base happy, but the American people kind of liked all the work that gone done in the “lame-duck” session and are expecting more of the same.
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    I’m not worried that the election was really anything more than a “get to work!” message. Let’s just see how those numbers fare when you decide to take another hostage…
    .

  • paulejb

    The rise of John Boehner means one thing for certain. The Era of Obama has come to an end. No more Socialist schemes will be jammed through the House by Madame Defarge aka Nancy Pelosi.

  • paulejb

    That’s just sour grapes, grape_crush. 60% of American voters want that abomination laughingly called “health care reform” repealed.

  • shepherdwong
  • shepherdwong

    The Era of Obama has come to an end. No more Socialist schemes will be jammed through the House by Madame Defarge aka Nancy Pelosi.
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    And a blithering right-wing idiot, to boot.

  • 53_3

    Didn’t anyone tell you paulejb that the National Elections are in 2012?
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    I don’t think, and you will find out the hard way, that the American people in the 2010 election weren’t voting based on who was “socialist” or who was more “real American” so much as they were voting on this rather short, and sharp directive, likely as not heard from your own boss:
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    “Git To Work!!!”

  • 53_3

    …oops, tripped over a double negative there… pls ignore.

  • 53_3

    Maybe Mrs. Bachmann forgot to give her daughter enough allowance to buy a seat…

  • hippooath

    “The rise of John Boehner means one thing for certain. The Era of Obama has come to an end. No more Socialist schemes will be jammed through the House by Madame Defarge aka Nancy Pelosi.”.
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    And the ideologue trolls say we sound like ‘Idiots’. Their philosophical argument is so…convincing. The rise of Boehner II – in your face, a cocktail story.

  • 53_3

    Seems to me, paulejr1, that “traitor” was a word you reserved for us!
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    I don’t think that the American people endorsed your crackpot ideology. See 8.2 for a short primer on what I think the American people really meant…

  • 53_3

    They’ve been trying to rub our noses in it all day.
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    I honestly think that they are going to find out that things are a tweensy bit different than they think…

  • perrywhite1

    “Socialist schemes”? OK, I’m tired of listening to this cr@p and am calling BS. I challenge you, paulejb, to name ONE thing that Obama had done that’s socialist.
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    * Health care reform? ACA was based on Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan, which is right of center, especially compared to other Democratic proposals over the years. “Socialism” would be to nationalize the health insurance companies — which Obama pointedly did NOT do, nor did he even compete with the private sector with a public option, but instead went waaaaay right by giving the private sector a huge windfall of new customers.
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    * TARP? Oops, sorry, that was George W. Bush — which Fox keeps trying to make us forget.
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    * Automotive bailout? In and out, saving millions of jobs … and not socialism. “Socialism” would be to — let’s say it together, kids! — nationalize the automotive industry.
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    * Stimulus? Mostly tax cuts, which the last 10 years have proven conclusively do not create jobs, but instead simply borrow money from the Chinese to give to the ultra-rich, who gamble it at the Wall Street casino, while stacking up the debt for the middle class to pay off. REALLLLLLY not socialism.
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    Next time you repeat a Fox News talking point, paulejb, it might behoove you to look up the terms in the dictionary so you don’t look completely ignorant. I encourage you especially to look up “fascism,” because that’s where we’re heading, and it’s your buddies the Republicans who are taking us there.

  • hippooath

    “They’ve been trying to rub our noses in it all day.
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    I honestly think that they are going to find out that things are a tweensy bit different than they think…”
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    It’s kind of hilarious really how these supposedly mature grown men take such a glee over the fact that the GOP house took over the helm and ditched their promises quicker than lightning. And we’re the immature name calling liberal scum when they essentially came screaming like a bunch of drunk teenagers; WE WON – FU B!TCHES!!!
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    Nothing’s going to change. The blind leads the blind and liberals are of course to blame somehow.

  • Friar Tuck

    Cry, Cry, Boehner . . .
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  • paulejb

    Are you people living in a cloud? The November elections were a Democrat bloodbath. They lost 63 House seats, 6 Senate seats, 5 governorships and some 700 State legislative seats. Since the election, 25 Democrat State legislators have switched parties. The American people resoundingly voted no confidence in the Obama administration and their minions in Congress.

    In the latest poll of likely voters, fully 60% want ObamaCare repealed. {Rasmussen – Dec 26}

    Remember people, denial is not a river in Egypt.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    That’s just sour grapes, grape_crush.
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    You know, I’ve never heard that one before. Really.
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    Okay. I have. Please make an effort to find something original, hmmm? I’m tired of right-wing cranks just phoning it in…
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    60% of American voters want…
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    Since you’ve just trundled in here from under your bridge – welcome to Swampland – I’ll let you in on the expectation that, when you start quoting numbers and blather on about “what Americans want”, you provide a link to a reputable source for your numbers.
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    And no, Rasmussen is only reputable to the epistemically-closed right-wing.
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    I’m hoping that you’re better than the other right-wing True Believers in that you can engage in a real, honest, legitimate conversation.
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    I’m not holding my breath until it happens, however.
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    …that abomination laughingly called “health care reform” repealed.
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    Hey, there’s parts of it that I don’t like as well. I’m not hot on the individual mandate – but that’s for the Teabagger and corporate wings of the GOP to fight out. As for the health exchanges and managed competition, it’s not the most efficient use of our tax dollars – single payer is. And there’s nowhere near enough focus on cost containment.
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    Having said that, good luck telling seniors that you want to restore the doughnut hole for prescriptions, that you want people to be denied coverage for preexisting conditions or that you want insurance companies to go back to fraudulently taking people’s insurance away when the need it.
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    Good luck with all that, paulejb.

  • 53_3

    Ummm. No. And rasmusson isn’t exactly unbiased. What’s Nate Silver say?
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    The election was not an Obama referendum. In actuality, the message was:
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    “Get To Work!”
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    Ignore it at your peril, paulejb…

  • paulejb

    53-3,

    The election of 2010 with 1/3 of the Senate and the entire House of Representatives was not a “National Election?”

  • 53_3

    It seems to work for them.
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    But then again, that’s why when I have to deal with a buncha drunk fratboys, I just call the police.
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    A day in the cooler seems to bring them nose to nose with reality…

  • 53_3

    You’re a little slow, paulejb:
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    I was referring to your commentary on “The end of…”
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    You see, the tail does not wag the dog. You’ll have to wait till 2012 for that.
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    So we’ll see…

  • paulejb

    53-3,

    Rasmussen is certainly better than a poll conducted by a British newspaper.

    Believe what you like about the election, but the fact remains that it was a resounding “no” to Obamunism.

    The voters are more interested in getting to work themselves than they are in what the politicians do.

  • paulejb

    53-3,

    Barack Obama is a lame duck for the next two years. He will not get any items on his left wing agenda passed through a Republican House. He might as well continue his Hawaii vacation for the next two years.

  • 53_3

    A British poll? What are you talking about?
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    Nate Silver is the absolute recognized best in the business. I’ll go with what he thinks.
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    As for “Obamunism”, which is a nice catchy phrase with no meaning, let’s see…

  • Friar Tuck

    Obamunism
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    You’re 11 or maybe 12 years old, right? Give yourself a break. Turn off your computer, go outside, and throw a football around for a while with your friends. It’ll improve your circulation, your attitude and, just possibly, your vocabulary.

  • shepherdwong

    Are the millions of Americans who voted Republican “traitors” too?
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    Nope. They’re mostly brainwashed fools (the base) plus some politically vacuous, squishy independents. Hope that’s bi-partisan enough for you.

  • paulejb

    53-3,

    You are not reading your friends comments. Seek and you will find the quote of a UK poll.

  • shepherdwong

    Next time you repeat a Fox News talking point, paulejb, it might behoove you to look up the terms in the dictionary so you don’t look completely ignorant. I encourage you especially to look up “fascism,” because that’s where we’re heading, and it’s your buddies the Republicans who are taking us there.

    .
    I wish I’d said that!

  • 53_3

    Hi Friar!
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    paulejr:
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    Again, you are a bit slow scrabbling the iron out of the holster. I covered that base. Did you see my statement about Nate Silver?
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    If he has evaluated it, and gives it his considered approval, then I’m good with it.
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    Nate Silver knows, probably more than anyone else in the business, what biases are what, and how much effect they might have on the results.

  • paulejb

    Friar Tuck,

    You don’t care for the term Obamunism? What would you call it?

    I believe it is a perfect description of the philosophy that wants to “spread the wealth around.”

  • paulejb

    53-3,

    Rasmussen samples likely voters only. Their opinions are the only ones that count as the last election proved.

  • diecash1

    Was there some call for endless idiotic posts put out on the right-wing blogs today?
    ..
    While the Swamp has a fair share of reactionary trolls that are uninterested in actual debate and discussion, there seems to be an inordinate amount of trolling today.
    ..
    As many have said before me, ignore them. Attention gives them life, oxygen as it were. Deny them until they decide to act reasonably or quit.

  • 53_3

    Hate to tell you that when you can understand the in-depth analysis of polls like Nate can, come back and let me know.
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    In the meantime, the category “likely voter” can be manipulated umpteen million ways, so you are a bit short of a full deck. Anyone can call their sample “likely voters”, but, the trick is, how do they do it?
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    eh?

  • shepherdwong

    A British poll? What are you talking about?
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    That would be a Guardian online poll from this past Sunday where 82 % of respondents to the question “[a]s many measures of President Obama’s healthcare act kick in with the new year, Republican House leaders promise to repeal the legislation. Do you want to see the reforms repealed,” with a resounding no.
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    But, for some reason, our new young troll thinks Rasmussen has more credibility. Perhaps but that’s what happens when your best argument is snapshot of public opinion based upon who you ask and how you ask it.
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/poll/2011/jan/02/healthcare-usa

  • paulejb

    shepherdwong,

    Even you should be able to notice the obvious bias in the question, champ.

    Calling ObamaCare a ‘reform” is a snare and a delusion.

    Nice try, but no cigar.

  • paulejb

    diecash1,

    You interest in actual debate and discussion is marked by the inane insults to which you resort.

    Any resemblance between your comments and a coherent thought are entirely coincidental.

  • paulejb
  • diecash1

    Well champ, I’ve yet to see you engage in anything other than vomiting all over the board. No debate, no discussion, just some ridiculous, made-up right-wing terms combined with the usual spittle and froth. Feel free to prove me wrong. Why don’t you start by addressing perrywhite1′s comment at 8.4? I notice you failed to address that earlier. If you’re actually interested in discussing the issues rather than the behavior you’ve demonstrated thus far, it should be easy for you to do. Go ahead, prove me wrong.

  • paulejb

    Insulting the voters will serve you well in 2012. Keep it up.

  • 53_3

    No, you think it’s a snare and a delusion. The truth is that many millions of Americans, including myself, are taking advantage of the benefits.
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    As for the washington article, that is Neil Stevens’ opinion.
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    Nate Silver uses extensive statistical analysis to uncover bias.
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    Neil Steven’s opinion vs. statistical analysis
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    Sorry paul, but statistical analysis has been around, and tested with much greater force, than the opinions of a conservative pundit.
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    But then, he’s a conservative pundit, so what did you expect? Him to side with Nate Silver?
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    A-hyuh a-hyuh. Riiiight…

  • 53_3

    He’s not swinging a very heavy bat. Like others of his ilk, he substitutes opinions for fact.
    .
    Maybe it’s good enough for him, but then again, that’s why he’s a FOX fan…

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    In the latest poll of likely voters, fully..
    .
    In the latest poll of Swampland commenters, fully 87.234% think you’re a wanker, paulejb.
    .
    It’s a good poll. Trust me.
    .
    Of course, without knowing more detail about you – personally, I’m sure that you have some redeeming qualities, and are not a complete wanker – we have to go with the polling and assume that you’re a wanker through-and-through.
    .
    Sorry. Maybe cut down on the use of smarmy right-winger terms like ‘Obamunism’ and you’ll do better in the next poll.
    .
    The American people resoundingly voted no confidence in the Obama administration and their minions in Congress.
    .
    Here’s some polling you should read. That red part is a hyperlink, by-the-way.

    Sample:

    The survey finds that Americans believe by 55 percent to 42 percent that the policies being proposed by President Obama will move the country in the right direction. But those surveyed said by 51 percent to 44 percent that the policies being proposed by the GOP will take the country in the wrong direction.

    When the question is asked about Democrats in general it produces a split with 48 percent each in the right-direction and wrong-direction columns.

    Fun stuff, eh?

  • paulejb

    diecash1,

    1. See Newsweek February 7, 2009 – “We are all socialists now.”

    2. Mitt Romney will rue the day that he signed off on that abomination. If he tries to run for the Republican nomination he will have to renounce RomneyCare.

    3. TARP a Bush initiative signed off on by both McCain and Obama. There is plenty of blame to go around.

    4. The jobs would have been saved if normal bankruptcy proceedings were conducted. The federal bailout was a payoff to the UAW.

    5. Nothing was stimulated by the alleged stimulus. Not even Democrat attempts to buy reelection. It was a failure all way around.

    6. The cry of fascism is the discredited tactic used by liberals as a substitute for argument.

    Any further questions, fellows?

  • paulejb

    grape_crush,

    I would wager that 87.234% of Swampland commenters still believe that Barack Obama is qualified to be President. They are wrong about that too.

  • paulejb

    19 Democrats were unable to hold their nose and vote for Nancy Pelosi while John Boehner received the vote of all his Republican colleagues. Is there dissension in the Democrat ranks? Could this be the end of the Democrat party?

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    That’s it? After all that, that’s all you have? No discussion, no consideration of what anyone else has brought up, nothing, nada, zilch, zero, nil?
    .
    Just some partisan talking points. Sad.
    .
    You’re adding nothing constructive here (or to other places you troll, I’ll wager). At some point, you poo-flingers on the right will have to approach the problems of this country honestly. Hopefully it will be an epiphany on your part instead of the only available option.
    .
    Just how bad do things have to become before you get real?

  • hippooath

    “Rasmussen is certainly better than a poll conducted by a British newspaper.

    Believe what you like about the election, but the fact remains that it was a resounding “no” to Obamunism.

    The voters are more interested in getting to work themselves than they are in what the politicians do.”
    .
    Nate is amongst the best in the business of analysing polls. He’s not from UK. Look, please – if you have a argument, present it. But da bestest political party won is kind of playground BS. And if thats the basis of your argument you’re going to get spanked by facts all the way till Sunday. Just explain why GOP have backed away from their promises almost right away instead. I thought the grownups were in the house.

  • diecash1

    So, as your response, you offer:
    1. Utter garbage
    2. Republican garbage
    3. More Repub garbage
    4. Completely baseless assertions
    5. A complete delusion unsupported by either fact or any respected economists.
    6. “Fascism” has been the cry of Republicans ever since a duly elected President and the Congress started exercising their authority by doing their job.
    ..
    We really need a better class of trolls around here.

  • hippooath

    “Democrats were unable to hold their nose and vote for Nancy Pelosi while John Boehner received the vote of all his Republican colleagues. Is there dissension in the Democrat ranks? Could this be the end of the Democrat party?”
    .
    What does that mean policy wise, politically and in case of new ideas to get this country back on solid footing? Your argument is that democrats didn’t want to vote for Nancy and GOP is walking in lockstep behind the now speaker of the house.
    .
    Okay – take it all the way now. Implications. Future predictions. Opinion or argument based on data.
    .
    What?

  • shepherdwong

    Seems to me, paulejr1, that “traitor” was a word you reserved for us!
    .
    Yes but, when applied to professional Republicans, this isn’t a lie or even hyperbolic. I reserve the term expressly for those who are paid to work against the interests of the United States, in service to other entities, often multi-national. Even more for those who swear their allegiance to the US Constitution while doing the work of its domestic enemies.

  • paulejb

    grape_crush,

    So that’s your refutation of my comments. You might as well have said “so’s your old man.”

    You will gain little if you remain in the liberal cocoon convinced of your virtue and wisdom.

    History is on my side. As Reagan would say; “We win, they lose.”

  • paulejb

    hippooath,

    It is reality. It shows which way the wind is blowing and it is not in the direction of the leftist agenda.

    No one believes that there will be any startling changes in policy over the next two years. It will require a Republican takeover of the White House and the Senate in 2012 before real change can take effect.

    The 2010 election does, however, mean that the Obama agenda is dead. Live with it.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Thanks for the link!
    .
    She was gone before I was born, but, damn she could sing.

  • paulejb

    diecash1,

    An overwhelming response to my comments. How long did it take you to come up with all those sterling points and did you have to consult the funny papers as your source?

  • liberalmeltdown

    You will find that the “chorus,” aka the progressives here, will always cry about trolls whenever there is more than one conservative on this blog.
    .
    They think that they own it. On another thread on they claimed that they don’t use insults and then they move to another thread and do exactly that. It’s pretty funny.
    .
    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/01/05/john-boehner-elected-speaker/#comments

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Well, of course, before one becomes POTUS, you have to:
    .
    1) Go AWOL during wartime from the Air National Guard
    2) Get caught drunk driving.
    3) Get Cs at all of the schools your daddy’s and granddaddy’s name get you into.
    4) Drive a company your daddy helps you buy into the ground.
    5) Drive a second company into the ground.
    6) Drive a third company into the ground.
    7) Ruin the budget of the second most populated state.
    8) Execute more people than any other governor for decades.
    9) Use brother to disqualify voters in swing state.
    10) Use father’s connection to get appointed President by the Supreme Court.
    11) Right before re-election, attack the wrong country based upon information you coerce out of the CIA
    12) Ignore terrorist attack and natural disasters by getting on Air Force One to go the opposite direction.
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    Of course Obama as former president of the Harvard Law review and so on doesn’t make the grade to Republicans.

  • shepherdwong

    Calling ObamaCare a ‘reform” is a snare and a delusion.
    .
    Probably less than calling it “ObamaCare,” @sshole.

    WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OF ENACTMENT
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    *Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.
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    *Insurers will be barred from excluding children for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
    .
    *Young adults will be able to stay on their parents’ health plans until the age of 26. Many health plans currently drop dependents from coverage when they turn 19 or finish college.
    .
    *Uninsured adults with a pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.
    .
    *A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.
    .
    *Medicare drug beneficiaries who fall into the “doughnut hole” coverage gap will get a $250 rebate. The bill eventually closes that gap which currently begins after $2,700 is spent on drugs. Coverage starts again after $6,154 is spent.
    .
    *A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.
    .
    *A 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.
    .
    WHAT HAPPENS IN 2011
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    *Medicare provides 10 percent bonus payments to primary care physicians and general surgeons.
    .
    *Medicare beneficiaries will be able to get a free annual wellness visit and personalized prevention plan service. New health plans will be required to cover preventive services with little or no cost to patients.
    .
    *A new program under the Medicaid plan for the poor goes into effect in October that allows states to offer home and community based care for the disabled that might otherwise require institutional care.
    .
    *Payments to insurers offering Medicare Advantage services are frozen at 2010 levels. These payments are to be gradually reduced to bring them more in line with traditional Medicare.
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    *Employers are required to disclose the value of health benefits on employees’ W-2 tax forms.
    .
    *An annual fee is imposed on pharmaceutical companies according to market share. The fee does not apply to companies with sales of $5 million or less.
    .
    WHAT HAPPENS IN 2012
    .
    *Physician payment reforms are implemented in Medicare to enhance primary care services and encourage doctors to form “accountable care organizations” to improve quality and efficiency of care.
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    *An incentive program is established in Medicare for acute care hospitals to improve quality outcomes.
    .
    *The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which oversees the government programs, begin tracking hospital readmission rates and puts in place financial incentives to reduce preventable readmissions.
    .
    WHAT HAPPENS IN 2013
    .
    *A national pilot program is established for Medicare on payment bundling to encourage doctors, hospitals and other care providers to better coordinate patient care.
    .
    *The threshold for claiming medical expenses on itemized tax returns is raised to 10 percent from 7.5 percent of income. The threshold remains at 7.5 percent for the elderly through 2016.
    .
    *The Medicare payroll tax is raised to 2.35 percent from 1.45 percent for individuals earning more than $200,000 and married couples with incomes over $250,000. The tax is imposed on some investment income for that income group.
    .
    *A 2.9 percent excise tax in imposed on the sale of medical devices. Anything generally purchased at the retail level by the public is excluded from the tax.
    .
    WHAT HAPPENS IN 2014
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    *State health insurance exchanges for small businesses and individuals open.
    .
    *Most people will be required to obtain health insurance coverage or pay a fine if they don’t. Healthcare tax credits become available to help people with incomes up to 400 percent of poverty purchase coverage on the exchange.
    .
    *Health plans no longer can exclude people from coverage due to pre-existing conditions.
    *Employers with 50 or more workers who do not offer coverage face a fine of $2,000 for each employee if any worker receives subsidized insurance on the exchange. The first 30 employees aren’t counted for the fine.
    .
    *Health insurance companies begin paying a fee based on their market share.
    .
    WHAT HAPPENS IN 2015
    .
    *Medicare creates a physician payment program aimed at rewarding quality of care rather than volume of services.
    .
    WHAT HAPPENS IN 2018
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    *An excise tax on high cost employer-provided plans is imposed. The first $27,500 of a family plan and $10,200 for individual coverage is exempt from the tax. Higher levels are set for plans covering retirees and people in high risk professions.

    Now don’t make me defend this Dole/Romney/Obama centrist/corporatist compromise again.
    .
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1914020220100319?pageNumber=1

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    It’s the psychiatric meltdown and a newcomer!
    .
    “They think that they own it.”
    .
    No, sir. This is a place for intelligent debate.
    .
    There are Sasquatch, a self described libertarian and Exiled at home, a self described conservative who do debate intelligently and are always welcome here.
    .
    “On another thread on they claimed that they don’t use insults and then they move to another thread and do exactly that.”
    .
    You make this into a pissing contest.
    .
    Then, even at that, we win.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Enter the village idiot: Reverend Jim.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Paully,
    .
    The Boner is already making plans to break the number one Tea Party promise and increase the deficit.
    .
    Next, the Tea Party will realize that they’ve been had once again just like they did under Dubbya and stay home.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Nothing about policy?
    .
    Nothing about polls?
    .
    No facts?
    .
    Typical of you, psychiatric meltdown.

  • Ivy_B

    Hey, Friar! Thanks for the drop in.

  • liberalmeltdown

    “No, sir. This is a place for intelligent debate.”

    .
    You should excuse yourself then.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    So that’s your refutation of my comments.
    .
    Yep. Funny how you’ve chosen to avoid consideration of it and instead act like a typical troll, desperately trying to change the subject when you’ve just been pwned for pushing BS.
    .
    It’s pretty sad on your part, actually. I wonder what your purpose is, other than to throw bombs and serve as a leg for other trolls like Melty D. to dry hump.
    .
    You will gain little if you remain in the liberal cocoon convinced of your virtue and wisdom.
    .
    I’m not really interested in ‘gain’. I have enough already; wife, kids, mortgage on a house in a nice neighborhood, and a good job with a somewhat higher-than average income. I’m blessed. And lucky. It’s not always been like that for me. It’s been those tough times and those people like me going through the same things and coming out the other side – sometimes – that have given me the wisdom that you seem to lack. And as for virtue, I’ll be the first to admit that I’m imperfect – Lord knows I am – but my life has taught me what is right and wrong, what works and what does not, and that we are all in this together.
    .
    As Reagan would say; “We win, they lose.”
    .
    As Martin Luther King said: “Let us realize the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice.”

  • paulejb

    grape_crush,

    1. You were unable to give even one coherent response to my assertions. You should perhaps not try this at home.

    2. We are indeed all in this together which makes it all the more sad that so many expect special treatment.

    3. It only bends towards Justice when just men take action.

  • paulejb

    patricksartor,

    From my observations I have seen that there is more heat than light on this blog. It appears to be a liberal cliche wrapped in a tired talking point. Perhaps you folks should use some of that unspent stimulus cash and buy some new material.

  • paulejb

    patricksartor,

    John Boehner increase the deficit? Not going to happen. The Tea Party people would eat his lunch.

  • paulejb

    patricksartor,

    Or maybe just skin a moose.

  • shepherdwong

    Would this be a good time to ask our wingnut friends why they put a manifestly emotionally unstable man third in line to the nuclear football?

  • shepherdwong

    This:
    .
    From my observations I have seen that there is more heat than light on this blog. It appears to be a liberal cliche wrapped in a tired talking point.
    .
    Directly following this:
    .
    1. You were unable to give even one coherent response to my assertions. You should perhaps not try this at home.
    .
    2. We are indeed all in this together which makes it all the more sad that so many expect special treatment.
    .
    3. It only bends towards Justice when just men take action.

    .
    Does self-awareness vanish the moment you vote Republican or is it a process leading to voting Republican? Just curious.

  • liberalmeltdown

    That’s funny. Liberals constantly demonize Republicans as heartless. Then when a Republican shows emotion, he is automatically emotionally unstable.
    .
    I don’t care for the crying, but it was in relation to his coming from a poor family and becoming Speaker. It’s quite an achievement, unlike the last multi-millionairess Speaker.

  • 53_3

    paulejb:
    .
    I think you have found out that we swampcritters not only sharp teeth, but we trade in facts.
    .
    It’s too bad that you are being routinely bested.
    .
    I would suggest bringing a few facts to the table instead of just TP and RNC rhetoric. You don’t seem to realize that the American people did not endorse your agenda.
    .
    You only think they did, and thus, you will have to find out the hard way…

  • 53_3

    liberalmeltdown:
    .
    If you don’t like the image you’ve got, then tell your peers to STFU.
    .
    This is not our problem. Fix it yourselves…

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    1.You were unable to give even one coherent response to my assertions.
    .
    Hardly. If you’re not capable of following a link or understanding what you’ve read (or choose to ignore), then the fault is yours, bub, not mine.
    .
    2. We are indeed all in this together which makes it all the more sad that so many expect special treatment.
    .
    As “many expect[ing] special treatment” – whatever that is supposed to mean or whoever you define as the ‘many’ – has no bearing on anything being discussed in this thread, I’ll happily ignore your attempt at trolling.
    .
    3. It only bends towards Justice when just men take action.
    .
    Actually, the context of the King quote is that, while we will experience setbacks, history will carry us into “bright tomorrows”.

  • paulejb

    shepherdwong,

    The entire edifice of ObamaCare is built on a faulty base. To make the cost of all the benefits feasible, it requires the individual mandate. The individual mandate will not survive the constitutional test.

    Sorry, you are living in a house of cards and one is about to be pulled out.

  • paulejb

    53-3,

    You are of course entitled to your own opinion regardless of how wrongheaded it is, but you are not entitled to your own set of facts.

    As for “sharp teeth” it is more of a sensation of being gumbed by mischievous puppies.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    LOL
    .
    Then he could be rejected by the Wall Street Journal, all reasonable conservatives but sell more books.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “John Boehner increase the deficit?”
    .
    If not, he’d better support getting rid of the Bush tax cuts because the cuts in spending he is hoping to approve are unlikely to get enough votes to even make it the the president’s desk much less override a presidential veto.
    .
    He doesn’t even have enough votes to get the house to override a veto.

  • paulejb

    shepherdwong,

    We have had 4 years of a botox addict third in the line for the Presidency. So why not a lachrymose politician?

    I thought you liberals were all in favor of getting in touch with your sensitive side.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I thought you liberals were all in favor of getting in touch with your sensitive side.”
    .
    Since when?
    .
    You must be thinking of the early 1980s and that was not about liberal or conservative. It was about women wanting a man who will take out the garbage and at least learn how to make toast.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Paully,
    .
    It’s like we’re in the middle of college class and some fifth graders come wandering into the lecture hall saying “but my mommy says… so Mr Professor, you’re big doodie head.”
    .
    It’s somewhat distracting, but does give us a chance to have a laugh at your expense.

  • hippooath

    “It is reality. It shows which way the wind is blowing and it is not in the direction of the leftist agenda.
    .
    No one believes that there will be any startling changes in policy over the next two years. It will require a Republican takeover of the White House and the Senate in 2012 before real change can take effect.
    .
    The 2010 election does, however, mean that the Obama agenda is dead. Live with it.”
    .
    Thanks for your ideologue rant part 4. I heard this before. Right after 2004 election. Then right before 2006, after 2006, before 2008 and after. And now around and after this election.
    .
    You know what it lacks? Vision and ideas. And reality. People don’t think like you do. People are scared and want security. You’re a idiot If you think people voted against ‘the leftist agenda’. They voted for the economy because they want a forward motion. Ideologues like you are a hoot. You consider us some kind of liberal scum apart of this country. I just consider you a very misguided useful idiot that would give up critical thinking for a bunch of people who riles you up with a bunch of useless emotions.
    .
    If the economy rebounds Obama will be reelected. If GOP runs Sarah and she wins the primaries Obama will be reelected.
    .
    Everything else is up for grabs.

  • hippooath

    “The entire edifice of ObamaCare is built on a faulty base. To make the cost of all the benefits feasible, it requires the individual mandate. The individual mandate will not survive the constitutional test.
    .
    Sorry, you are living in a house of cards and one is about to be pulled out.”
    .
    Here’s an idea. Show us how.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Paully,
    .
    Maybe it would be a better use of your time if you got out of the swamp, got some porn and touched your sensitive side instead.
    .
    It would be about as productive.

  • paulejb

    grape_crush,

    1. I can follow logic just fine. It is liberal bilge that gives me a problem.

    2. “All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.” Got it now?

    3. History is more likely to plow you under as even a slight grasp of past events would show.

  • paulejb

    patricksartor,

    I like the occasional visit to the swamp. I like to rile up the inhabitants and watch them fall all over themselves trying to keep up. Try not to hurt yourself, sparky.

  • shepherdwong

    I thought you liberals were all in favor of getting in touch with your sensitive side.
    .
    Men who are in touch with their “sensitive” sides cry when their father dies or they have to put down their dog. This guy has issues. OTOH your last presidential pick was full-on psychopath with a megalomaniac side kick (or was it the other way ’round) so…things are looking up.

  • paulejb

    patricksartor,

    Some fifth grade wisdom would be a welcome change for this college class. It’s like you people are stuck in a time warp expecting the hope and change to kick in at any minute.

  • paulejb

    shepherdwong

    I noticed quite a few lefties showing their sensitive side as the election returns came in on November 2nd.

  • hippooath

    “It only bends towards Justice when just men take action.”
    .
    That is not what MLK meant. He was looking forward. Like in I have a dream. He didn’t expect it to happen in his lifetime but he expected it to happen because justice isn’t one that you can grab, take and force with a stick. It’s a natural condition of the human spirit, which is without color and without creed. Only a ideologue such as yourself would turn that into a combative statement.
    .
    You can’t force justice; it’s either just or it’s not. If you need to use force it was never just to begin with and the person was not a just man.
    .
    This is rudimentary and fundamental human common sense. And to bastardize MLKs meaning is to show nothing but utter ignorance.

  • shepherdwong

    I like to rile up the inhabitants and watch them fall all over themselves trying to keep up. Try not to hurt yourself, sparky.
    .
    Don’t flatter yourself. You read like every other run-of-the-mill, right-wing authoritarian-following, Limbaugh-talking-point-spouting, not-an-original-thought-in-your-head wingnut. Don’t let the screened door hit you on the backside on the way out.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Paully,
    .
    First, although it was watered down badly by the blue dogs, ACA is real.
    .
    Second, about half of financial reform has happened.
    .
    Third, GM looks like they are going to earn the federal government a profit.
    .
    Fourth, the banks are already paying back or have paid by the federal government.
    .
    The one huge disappointment is the stimulus package.

  • shepherdwong

    I noticed quite a few lefties showing their sensitive side as the election returns came in on November 2nd.
    .
    It’s true. I know this liberal was laughing with glee that the Teatards gave Democrats continued control of the Senate by putting lunatics and morons who share their views on the ballot. Thanks for the laughs.

  • hippooath

    “own opinion regardless of how wrongheaded it is, but you are not entitled to your own set of facts.”
    .
    Precious. Why is it that ideologues are so contradictive?
    .
    Anyways – freeinpa, rdw56 or whatever your name is. Get a new dictionary. If you go back 50 subjects and summarize basically your sides contribution to this forum it boils down to the platter of shallow ditch talking points you just fired off tonight. Including the pathetic ‘I like to come here and rile up the libruls harr harr’ comment. Freeinpa like to use a similar one. It’s like a massive hand of facts just slapped your weak retorical knee slap in the face and you seriously think you raise the blood pressure on any of us?
    .
    We laugh. If that’s really what you wanted to get out of it you have succeded. Job well done.
    .
    Thanks for the mental midget moment about what it says about Nancy and the current speaker. It was about the most shallow fluid analysis of nothing that I’ve ever read by you or anyone. It was drive by lazy and with as little calories as rice cookies.
    .
    You might as well have written:
    .
    What you’re about to read has the sound of a silent fart but it’s entirely harmless and you won’t even say ‘MY GOD MAN…’.
    .
    I hope ou get the picture and a good nights sleep now when you have ‘messed’ with us scum of the earth. Sleep thight.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    1. I can follow logic just fine.
    .
    Doubtful. Can you provide evidence of that?
    .
    It is liberal bilge that gives me a problem.
    .
    I gave you a link to read that refuted something you were talking about. I didn’t write it. Either a) you didn’t read it, b) didn’t understand it, or c) dismissed it because you didn’t agree with it.
    .
    Regardless of the reason, you avoided discussing it and moved on your next troll. Like I said before, sad…and so typical of the right wingers that wander in here; can’t debate, allergic to facts, unable or unwilling to put together a coherent, honest argument.
    .
    No wonder the politicians you manage to get elected are pretty much a hot mess. They’re a lot like you.
    .
    2. “All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.” Got it now?
    .
    Animal Farm was great, wasn’t it? Only that, if Orwell was writing that book today, the pigs wouldn’t be Stalinists – they would be the Koch brothers, Rush Limbaugh, Dubya-era Rangers and Pioneers, and the like.
    .
    Still wondering how that’s relevant to anything we’ve been discussing, ‘tho. I’m guessing you never outgrew the noxious Atlas Shrugged.
    .
    3. History is more likely to plow you under as even a slight grasp of past events would show.
    .
    Looking at one election and making that statement is like seeing the Dow close down for the day and saying that the stock market is crashing is like getting a snowstorm and dismissing climate change.
    .
    Dumb, shortsighted, and ignorant. Helluva combination you’ve got going there, paulejb.

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    I thought you liberals…
    .
    What you know might fill up one corner of Glenn Beck’s chalkboard. No more than that.
    .
    What you demonstrate that you don’t know could fill libraries.

  • hippooath

    Grape,
    .
    Am I the only one that think they’re getting more and more shallow? It’s like someone turned over a rock and now even the most laziest and probably ignorant trolls think they have some kind of retorical hand granade to use. Glenn Beck sure spawned a bunch of philosophical lightweights. Or is it that Sarah have given birth to a generation of shallow ditch people who tink that ideas should be just as ignorant as people can be and if you have one (idea), it’s worth the paper it was scribbled on.
    .
    I dunno. I’ve read this blog for a while and came from a bunch others and since 2004 it’s been a real drain on the philosophical strength and brain behind the opposite side. It’s all rah rah and a bunch of dud rockets. And they’re proud of it.

  • paulejb

    grape_crush,

    1. Can’t provide evidence of logic here. This blog was bereft of it until I arrived.

    I’ll match your link with my link but still never the twain shall meet.

    2. When the subject of pigs arises, my first thought is of the Teacher’s unions, the UAW and now the NYC Sanitation workers. And I use the term “workers” loosely.

    3. History did not start with the election of Barack Obama. I refer you to the events surrounding the Roman, Byzantine and Ottoman empires just to name a few.

  • paulejb

    hippooath,

    I assume you are attempting to make some sort of point here but it is entirely incoherent.

    My name is paulejb as a casual reading of my comments would demonstrate.

    I have little concern for your blood pressure but it would seem that I have managed to get yours to rise without much effort on my part.

    I always sleep tight as I have the right at my side.

    Wish you a good night as well. I believe you may need it.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Paully,
    .
    You make people roll their eyes, not raise their blood pressure.
    .
    You’re really not that good at trolling.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Paul,
    17.8

    I noticed quite a few lefties showing their sensitive side as the election returns came in on November 2nd.
    FTW!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Author Eric Blair, AKA George Orwell, was a Social Democrat.
    .
    He would have had a ball with the Tea Party had he not died from from an infection from an injury fighting fascists in Spain years earlier.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “2. When the subject of pigs arises, my first thought is of the Teacher’s unions, the UAW and now the NYC Sanitation workers. And I use the term “workers” loosely.”
    .
    I live in NYC.
    .
    The sanitation department had idle trucks because there were so many layoffs that there were not enough people to fill them.
    .
    Nobody here blames the union.
    .
    Just like 9/11 being used to attack Iraq, to impose the PATRIOT Act and the downtown Mosque, Republicans just like to try and tell New Yorkers what to think.
    .
    Then, when all of the congressional seats representing NYC as well as Senate offices go straight Democratic, you guys scratch your heads and wonder what happened.
    .
    We’re here.
    .
    You’re not.
    .
    I don’t you how to farm, Paully, so, don’t tell us about NYC.
    .
    Your other allegations are equally moronic.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Don’t worry, psychiatric meltodown.
    .
    The John the Boner will have plenty of reason to cry in 2012.

  • paulejb

    patricksartor,

    I hardly think that I have you people rolling your eyes to the back of your head. A little rise in blood pressure, a little annoyance but I doubt that anyone has come down with the vapors yet. Give me time.

  • paulejb

    patricksartor,

    “John the Boner.”

    Now isn’t that just a bit juvenile even for a liberal. And here you people have been complaining about the lack of substance. Shame on you.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I refer you to the events surrounding the Roman, Byzantine and Ottoman empires just to name a few.”
    .
    So, the Roman Empire fell because the wealthy of Rome moved away from high taxes to Ireland, Germany and Russia?
    .
    What does the modern Tea Party and their mathematical incompetence have to do with monarchies of 90, 560 to 2,000 years ago?
    .
    Please do show a link to explain how providing health care – which none of those countries did – would cause the country to fall.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Paully,
    .
    His name asks for it.
    .
    His personality fits it.
    .
    Now, is there anything you want to discuss about how this new leader of yours will get cuts passed even his own house large enough to prevent another year of massive deficit or would you like to just say that Nancy Pelosi uses botox?

  • paulejb

    hippooath,

    MLK believed, as most liberals do, in the perfectibility of mankind. That is a delusion. It will never happen. It appears that mankind is actually regressing at this time.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Cute.
    .
    Trolls come and trolls go.
    .
    At the end of the day,you just waste time.

  • paulejb

    shepherdwong,

    You keep telling yourself that if it helps you get through the long dark hours of the night. Control of the Senate is useless with a President of the opposite party in the White House, unless you have 67 votes.

    In 2012, a new President with a Republican controlled Senate is the goal.

  • paulejb

    paticksartor,

    Do you live in a cloud? There are criminal investigations, both Federal and local, into the actions of sanitation workers after the Christmas storm.

    This was a job action carried out by greedy union thugs who need a stretch in the slammer.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “It appears that mankind is actually regressing at this time.”
    .
    Honestly, this is the best insight to the far right’s mindset than I have ever seen.
    .
    1) the 1990s saw crime drop dramatically nationwide down to the lows of the late 1950s with few exceptions.
    .
    2) Out of wedlock births have declined to levels not seen since the mid 1960s.
    .
    3) Drug abuse in urban and suburban parts of the country have been declining for nearly 20 years.
    .
    4) The number of people finishing high school, attending college and going to graduate school has skyrocketed about ten fold over the past 100 years.
    .
    5) The average lifespan has gone up over 60% the past hundred years.
    .
    I could go on and on.
    .
    As far as civil rights go, overt racism is now almost unheard of in most urban and suburban areas.
    .
    Although I am an atheist, church attendance is – especially for evangelicals – has been skyrocketing in rural areas and in most of the South, Mid West and Far West.

  • paulejb

    patricksartor,

    Stop the spending. That’s it. Nothing else needs to be done.

    P.S. Eliminating the subsidies for Nancy’s botox injections would probably put quite a dent in the deficit.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Sanitation Commissioner John Doherty have said they were concerned but didn’t think there was any truth to the speculation.”
    .
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_winter_weather
    .
    Investigations are not the same thing as convictions.
    .
    Not even close.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Stop the spending. That’s it. Nothing else needs to be done.”
    .
    So, to do so we’ll ask private charities to feed, clothe and house our armed forces.
    .
    You’ve got room for a few soldiers in your house, right?
    .
    Outside of HCR, you will not find anything of any significance that one could cut without doing real harm.
    .
    So, how many troop are you supporting today?
    .
    BTW: they need to get a few thousand dollars worth of jet fuel for their ride. Why not let you take care of them from the kindness of your heart? Good ole American charity.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Control of the Senate is useless with a President of the opposite party in the White House, unless you have 67 votes.

    In 2012, a new President with a Republican controlled Senate is the goal.”
    .
    First, who on the Republican side has any chance of winning right now?
    .
    None that I know of.
    .
    Second, unless Boehner sits down with the president and Senator Reid to iron out differences, how will two years of deadlock do anything but turn the tables against the Republicans giving Democrats both houses and the WH in 2012?

  • shepherdwong

    I’m in the reality-based community, I don’t have to tell myself anything. You’re the one selling yourself fetid dreams of a future Republican president, as if that has turned out well in any of the last 40 years.

    Listen, I could keep wiping the floor of this blog with you for the rest of the evening but I have people who matter to attend to.

  • mailman839

    A Typical Day in the Swamp:
    .
    Mr Barnard: WHAT DO YOU WANT?
    .
    Man: Well, I was told outside that…
    .
    Mr Barnard: Don’t give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings!
    .
    Man: What?
    .
    Mr Barnard: Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
    .
    Man: Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I’m not going to just stand…!!
    .
    Mr Barnard: OH, oh I’m sorry, but this is abuse.
    .
    Man: Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
    .
    Mr Barnard: Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.
    .
    Man: Oh, Thank you very much. Sorry.
    .
    Mr Barnard: Not at all.
    .
    Man: Thank You. (Under his breath) Stupid git!!
    .
    http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/argument.htm

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Speaking of self proclaimed conservatives who are very much welcome here in swampland: Mailman.
    .
    Thanks.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    “Stop the spending. That’s it. Nothing else needs to be done.”
    .
    So, Pauly, exactly which programs would you cut or eliminate? The Republicans have already said that defense is off the table even though Gates has identified was to slash the defense budget by millions.
    .
    You want to tell factory workers (what few of them are left), miners, janitors and waitresses that they have to do their back breaking work until they are 70?
    .
    Do you want to cut social security payments even though it is money recipients have paid into the system after earning it with their hard labor?
    .
    Do you want to cut out spending for educating our children? Or providing decent roads? How about police and fire fighters in your city? Or we can cut the health and human services which pays for the care and treatment (among other things) of the mentally retarded and mentally ill who live in poverty through no fault but then that they have these organic deficiencies-for lack of a better term-of the brain?
    .
    Just where would you cut the spending, Pauly? The 5% reduction in the Congressional budget The Boner was touting all day accounts for no more 0.001% of the entire federal budget. With cuts like that, everything will have to be slashed.

  • mailman839

    You’re welcome – - most threads remind me of that sketch, for some reason. :)

  • sasquatch08

    Here’s a proposal I think everyone can get on board with: if you throw around the term “traitor” without actual evidence of treason being committed by the person whom you bring this allegation against, you shall be forced to hang yourself with a belt, dog leash or electrical cord.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Yeah, let’s hear it for Patty and the mailman…
    .
    Got anything else, no? OK then.
    .
    You want a spending cut? OK, let’s go back to 2007 spending levels. OMG!
    .
    That’s like 4 trillion dollars! Exactly.

  • liberalmeltdown

    A typical day in the Swampland: Do you want to raise taxes? HEEELLLL YESSSS YEEEEHAAAAH. That’s what I am all about dude. High five! Screw those working people. I have been unemployed for three years now! How cool is that? I sure hope those damn Republicans don’t try to make me go back to work again those bastards!
    .
    Right now I am sooooooo busy blogging on this site that a job would just get in the way.

  • hippooath

    “A typical day in the Swampland: Do you want to raise taxes? HEEELLLL YESSSS YEEEEHAAAAH. That’s what I am all about dude. High five! Screw those working people. I have been unemployed for three years now! How cool is that? I sure hope those damn Republicans don’t try to make me go back to work again those bastards!
    .
    Right now I am sooooooo busy blogging on this site that a job would just get in the way.”
    .
    Well go get a job then.

  • hippooath

    “MLK believed, as most liberals do, in the perfectibility of mankind. That is a delusion. It will never happen. It appears that mankind is actually regressing at this time.”
    .
    I get it. We’re totalitarians and we think people are clay that we can perfect. It’s that really what you believe?
    .
    You’re so right about regressing. People have this thing called a mind and by the expanding number of incurious ideologues seeing more and more daylight it’s clear that zombification of precious brainpower is the new rave.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Do you want to raise taxes? HEEELLLL YESSSS YEEEEHAAAAH. That’s what I am all about dude. High five!”

    It’s interesting that you chose both a TV style, if you will, black dialect and a 1960s and 1970s black action of “hi fives” when the overwhelming majority of the people here are middle aged Caucasian men, most of whom who are in some way self employed and, therefore, during upswings, will be the ones paying the taxes.

    I think it is fair to say that psychiatric meltdown believes that impoverished African Americans seek to raise his taxes to receive benefits even though most welfare recipients are Caucasian.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I have a video of psychiatric meltdown and a few friends in DC yesterday who came by to congratulate John Boehner.
    .

  • sacredh

    Friar Tuck, please post on a regular basis again. I’ve tried to provide moral leadership in your absence, but I’m not very good at it.

  • 3xfire3

    paulejb,
    .
    Great job of Posting.
    .
    You’ve taken on about 10 of are most far left Liberal Loons and left them in the dust. You have countered every one of their comments with real facts that they are unable to dispute.
    .
    Since their IQs are in the minus category they have resorted to name calling, demonizing and personal attacks. Ten of them have attempted to gang up on you and their team lost to a team of one.
    .
    After the 2012 election they will return to the desert for another 40 years. These Liberal loons are destroying the Democratic Party of my parents and grandparents. They are an elite bunch with nothing to be elite about.
    .
    Again nice job of putting them in their place which is fairyland.

  • 53_3

    Great idea, sasquatch8…

  • 53_3

    I might point out that I don’t make up my own facts. I cite others’.
    .
    Now it is apparent that by your comments at 17.6 you had no intent whatsoever of dialogue.
    .
    It’s too bad that we have to put up with yet another freeinpa knockoff, but somehow, I don’t think you are as persistant – nor even as intelligent God forbid as our current saddleburr.

  • 53_3

    At least he’s honest in his intent, but he doesn’t realize that we’ve already been well inoculated against his type.
    .
    It’s a bad strategy to admit his intent because that leaves us with the best weapon of all:
    .
    silence…

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3x,
    .
    What color is the sky on the planet you live on?
    .
    You’re clearly not from this planet.

  • 53_3

    Inverted. Just plain inverted.
    .
    Is there a psychiatrist out there somewhere that can give us the lowdown on this type of collective behavior?

  • shepherdwong

    Here’s a proposal I think everyone can get on board with: if you throw around the term “traitor” without actual evidence of treason being committed by the person whom you bring this allegation against…
    .
    It’s not a mere person who is subverting the Constitution and public policy in service to America’s enemies, both foreign and domestic, it’s an entire political class; Republicans, conservadems, Federalist Society members, “conservative” pundits and the people who employ them… Anyway, put this together with policies they advance and you have all the evidence you need: motive, opportunity, and the crime of the last century…ongoing:
    .
    http://www.citizenvox.org/2010/12/18/incoming-gop-leaders-are-reaping-benefits-of-power-corporate-contributions-flowing/

  • paulejb

    hippooath,

    Liberals are known for their many delusions. When not expounding on the perfectibility of mankind under their direction they are convincing themselves that deficits will be reduced by tax increases.

  • paulejb

    patricksartor,

    Which one is the late Bobby Byrd?

  • paulejb

    erieangel,

    Well, let’s start with the 20% increase in Federal discretionary spending since Obama took office. Then we can cancel any “stimulus” programs not currently started, repeal ObamaCare, and freeze all hiring and pay increases for federal employees.

    After that we can get serious about entitlement spending.

    How does that suit you?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Which one is the late Bobby Byrd?”
    .
    He’s the one standing next to your Dad.

  • 3xfire3

    And of course a couple of the Biggest LOONS and Misfits chime in with their usual ignorant comments. Too bad neither has a real job. Living on welfare and unemployment seems to be their only careers and the height of their ambitions. Wait that might be wrong. The height of their ambitions is to go on full disability. I don’t think even most Liberal want to claim these fools.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
    .
    Remember this right winger who kept on saying that the truth is somewhere between the two opinions and that there is nothing worse than personal insults?
    .
    He sounded like a great guy.
    .
    OOooooooooooooooooooh!
    .
    That was YOU.
    .
    Take your own advice and either stick to constructive debate or shove it up your ass.

  • Double Dutch Politics

    Can we all now agree that these people are on the crackpot fringe of society? The media needs to stop acting like “birther’s” are a major portion of the American populist. If they actually are, we are in even more trouble than I thought!
    Exclusive interview with “birther” who interrupted reading of the Constitution

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I think you just found 3X’s real identity!
    .
    BTW: I grew up in a family which was dramatically more conservative than liberal in previous generations. I grew up in an overwhelmingly Republican town. Not only Birthers, but, most of the posters from the far right here would embarrass most conservatives to tears.
    .
    Thanks for the link.

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