In the Arena

Hopes for 2011

Well, I didn’t do my annual Teddy Awards this year–named after Theodore Roosevelt, for political courage. I was in Afghanistan during the weeks I usually suss that one out, but I also was sort of stumped: it wasn’t a particularly stellar year for political courage. As a chronic and pathetically loyal Mets fan, I know there’s always next year. Here are some hopes I harbor for 2011:

–that the Obama White House pays some retrospective attention to the transition plan for Afghanistan that Richard Holbrooke favored. I’ll have more on this in the print edition next week, but it seems to me–and to more than a few others I’ve spoken with–the best dim hope of  stabilizing the region and reducing our presence there.

–that the Obama White House makes the distinction between establishing a better relationship with the business community and sucking up to the financial community. The former creates jobs, the latter creates paper profits. Indeed, a worse relationship with the financial community would be an excellent idea–breaking up the big banks, imposing a financial transactions tax on derivatives trading and not appointing any more financial wizards to ranking positions in the Administration. It is time to encourage long-term investment and shun–indeed, shame–the short-term speculators who helped to ruin our economy.

–that the two Republican Senators from Tennessee, Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker, will follow up on the courageous vote in favor of the New Start Treaty with more independence, drawing the line between their native conservatism and the nihilistic radicalism being peddled by Mitch McConnell, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.

–that the Obama inner circle opens its doors to smart politicians like Ted Strickland and Ed Rendell, who’ve spent the recent past governing in the real world–and in states the President will need in 2012. (And former Senator Ted Kauffman, from Delaware, as well.) There also should be good jobs found for creative  Congress members like Tom Perriello and Kathy Dahlkemper who were defeated last year.

–that the Kerry-Lieberman-Graham Energy bill gets a second look, especially as Congress comes to terms with the new strict EPA regulations on carbon dioxide (a regulatory task imposed by the Supreme Court, by the way)…and also that John Kerry continues with the excellent work he is doing across the board.

–that Andrew Cuomo emerges as the Democratic version of Chris Christie. Albany is a sewer that badly needs cleaning.

–that the following terrific print journalists–my colleagues excluded–continue the great work they’ve been doing: Dexter Filkins, Chris Chivers, Carlotta Gall, Pamela Constable, Jeff Goldberg and Yochi Dreazen in the war zones; Dana Priest and David Sanger in Washington or anywhere else they want to be; David Leonhardt on the economy; Evan Osnos, Peter Hessler and Jim Fallows in Asia (actually, Fallows on anything); John Heilemann and Matt Bai on politics. I know this is weird, but Andrew Sullivan and Leon Wieseltier had a knock-down drag-out this year–I love them both, as friends and writers, and read them religiously. Plus two pairs of opinion writers I admire–Michael Tomasky and David Brooks; E.J. Dionne and David Frum (E.J. always; Frum especially this year, for standing up to the barbarians in his party). And the young blogging guns: Ezra Klein, Jonathan Cohen, Matt Yglesias and Andrew Exum. (And, of course, my favorite overseas traveling companions–David Ignatius and Steve Coll).

I also wish my former boss, Tina Brown, the best of luck with NewsBeast. She’s a great journalist and the competition she provides will make Time better.

–that Lisa Cholodenko (“The Kids Are Alright”), Karthyn Bigelow (“The Hurt Locker”) and Nicole Holofcener (“Please Give”) continue their brilliant careers with more wonderful films in 2011.

–that BBC America starts broadcasting “Trial and Retribution,” especially seasons 5 though 8, which are not available on Netflix…(or, conversely, that Netflix makes them available).

–that everyone reads the coming memoirs by my friends Rodney Crowell (“Chinaberry Sidewalks”) and John Darnton (“Almost A Family”).

–that Lorrie Moore and Jonathan Lethem produce new novels.

–that I get see Arcade Fire, the Black Keys, Wilco, the New Pornographers, Mumford and Sons, Jenny and Johnny, Sharon Jones and the Dap Kings, Blackdub, Prince, The Heavy, Black Joe Lewis and the Honeybears…and yes, Lauryn Hill, Nas and Kanye West perform in concert this year. (And that there’s another great lineup at the Austin City Limits festival.)

And that you all have a terrific new year, with a special shout-out to those Time readers who opened their homes and their lives to me on my Election Road Trip this year. See you all in 2011!

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  • 53_3

    One point, Joe:
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    Why hasn’t anyone yet commented on not only the strength and firmness with which Obama handled a very dangerous international situation, but did it in a way that featured absolutely none of the so-called “appeasement” he is “supposed” to be famous for?
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    Of course, I refer to the Korean conflict…

  • 53_3

    And, I might add, his approach differed from every other president, Dem or GOP, in recent memory!
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    We have a much stronger president than people think.

  • newfreedomblog

    Gee Joe, no pudgy, punditry, pluralistic, obscure words like “putrid zeitgeist”. I’m shocked!!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Karthyn Bigelow (“The Hurt Locker”) ”

    I always liked war movies but what I loved about that film was one thing I always wondered: after war with life and death decisions all of the time, doesn’t the rest of life seem mundane and petty?

    I would think so.

    Apparently this is somewhat common for war veterans and I could easily imagine how I would feel if I went from disarming IEDs to buying breakfast cereal for the family.

    Classic film!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    He wanted to make sure that you didn’t get too confused.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “–that the Obama White House makes the distinction between establishing a better relationship with the business community and sucking up to the financial community.”

    I hope so, too.

    So many on the right do not seem to understand that Wall street is not the economy and the economy is not Wall street.

    Publicly traded companies only represent a small portion of the economy, a small portion of the workforce who work for them and the correlation between stock prices and earnings is not exact because the p/e ratio changes when interest rates go down or up.

    Except for people like the Bushes who live off of trust funds from money invested in the stock market, the rest of us get the overwhelming majority of our income from the labor market. (Commercial real estate makes money when businesses expand and, therefore, commissions in my business go up when employment goes up and down when unemployment hits).

  • newfreedomblog

    Yes, “so-called” indeed.
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    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2303382/posts
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    The list does not have the most recent recess appointment of a new Ambassador to Syria, but hey who is watching right now, right?
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    But, as Obamamao appeases away in other volatile regions of the world, exactly where has he held strong again on the North Koreans? I am just curious as to what links you have which point that out. You are not mistaking the South Koreans standing up against their enemies from the North and misconstruing it as some type of Obamamao action are you?
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    I will give Obamamao one thing tho, he said he would hunt down Osama Bin Laden right into the very caves he inhabits. He has done well with Afghanistan so far. But, I was just wondering, are the drones small enough to fly into those caves? Or will Obama himself don Kevlar and go in guns blazing?

  • newfreedomblog

    Oh dear patty. You are so witty and cleaver with your comments. One day I may actually read one.

  • apr2563

    Joe:
    Happy and prosperous New Year.
    May I reccommend a book for you?
    The Warmth of Other Suns. It is on the NYT 10 best list. Well deserved.
    Expect that many here on Swampland will disagree with some of your POV but still wish you well.

  • newfreedomblog

    –that the Obama inner circle opens its doors to smart politicians like Ted Strickland and Ed Rendell
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    My soon to be ex-Governor Eddy Rendell? Eddy who leaves office with one the largest deficits in Pennsylvania history?
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    You may want to peruse this Commonwealth Foundation site for more knowledge about the handling of our Commonwealth by dear Eddy, Joe. Pennsylvanians have huge tax increases staring them right in the face in the up-coming years unless Corbett not only cuts all of Eddy’s spending programs, but also trims down the budget Eddy proposed for 2011-2012. Hopefully ObamaCare will be repealed, otherwise we are all screwed with much higher state taxes. Massachusetts anyone?
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    http://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/research/detail/pennsylvania-deficit-watch-june-2010
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    So far as Strickland is concerned. This article pretty much sums up his accomplishments
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    http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/12/15/strickland-farewell-speech.html?sid=101
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    Now what again would both of these men not achieved without all of those Federal stimulus dollars?

  • sacredh

    Have a Happy New Year Joe and good luck in the coming year.
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    Here’s a wish of my own. Throw us a “1000 Words” every once in a while.

  • deconstructiva

    “cleavar?”
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    Oh dear rusty, how do you notice the quality of patrick’s comments without reading them?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Massachusetts anyone?”
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    “Massachusetts’ State/Local Tax Burden Slightly Below Average
    Estimated at 9.5% of income, Massachusetts’ state/local tax burden percentage ranks 23rd nationally, just below the national average of 9.7%. Massachusetts taxpayers pay $5,377 per capita in state and local taxes. Massachusetts has dropped 17 places in the rankings since 1977 by imposing a property tax limitation and keeping a lid on its personal income tax rate, living down its “Taxachusetts” nickname.
    Massachusetts’ State and Local Tax Burdens, 1977-Present”
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    http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/topic/35.html
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    Connecticut has the highest state taxes in the US.
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    http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxfreedomday/
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    “The top 10 wealthiest states
    Where median income is highest
    Rank State Median Income
    1 New Hampshire $65,028
    2 New Jersey $64,918
    3 Connecticut $64,644
    4 Maryland $63,828
    5 Alaska $62,675
    6 Virginia $61,126
    7 Utah $60,396
    8 Massachusetts $59,732
    9 Hawaii $58,469
    10 Washington $58,404″
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    http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/16/news/economy/Americas_wealthiest_states/index.htm
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    Third wealthiest state in America, anyone?

  • freeinpa

    ‘Except for people like the Bushes who live off of trust funds from money invested in the stock market”
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    Or people like the Clintons and Obamas who live off the public trough

  • hippooath

    A blogger from newrepublic is your source with a picture of a smoking Obama on a tricycle?
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    That is a quality source if any. When you use information like that you should shorten your response to one word, fitting the data.

  • freeinpa

    “between establishing a better relationship with the business community and sucking up to the financial community. The former creates jobs, the latter creates paper profits. Indeed, a worse relationship with the financial community would be an excellent idea–breaking up the big banks, imposing a financial transactions tax on derivatives trading and not appointing any more financial wizards to ranking positions in the Administration. It is time to encourage long-term investment”
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    And JK you should inform everyone tht this opinion is based not on any long business experience but long experience as a professional blowhard.
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    And why can’t liberal be honest and stop saying investment instead of what it really is confiscation of other people’s money for more spending!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “And JK you should inform everyone tht this opinion is based not on any long business experience but long experience as a professional blowhard.’
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    You work with Joe?
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    Professional blow hard is what I thought you did for a living.
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    If you knew the first thing about business, economics, finance, accounting, history, constitutional law, biology, geology or personal hygiene, you’d almost be worth reading.
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    Following your thinking Bigger pay = bigger brains means that you are the idiot since people will be thrilled to pay for the opportunity NOT to see you post.
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    Beating you in a bet, apparently, is not enough.
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    You just weasel your way out of it.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Washington (CNN) – Former president Bill Clinton stepped up the pace of his paid speaking engagements in 2009, bringing his total haul from these speeches to $65 million since leaving office in 2001.”
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    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/29/clinton-earns-65-million-in-speaking-fees-as-private-citizen/
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    Sorry, Freak.
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    Bill Clinton is a master at marketing himself as public speaker.
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    Once again, it is your man Dubbya who can’t speak who brings in money from Daddy’s trust fund.
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    As for the president, Democrats don’t like it when presidents take bribes. That’s a Spiro Agnew thing.

  • freeinpa

    “Professional blow hard is what I thought you did for a livig”
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    That’s what you get for thinking, but it explains why you are a lifelong failure

  • freeinpa

    “.Bill Clinton is a master at marketing himself as public speaker.”
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    You confuse public speaker for narcissist.
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    He and Hillary lived in public housing until after his presidency and only then (and with the money of a pokitical operative) bought a home.

  • lilaland

    I agree with what you have written, Joe and always enjoy your word play and descriptive accents.

    I’m thankful that Bill Clinton was able to have a press conference this month and join with Obama in explaining why we must take the bitter pill now to reach a point where we have the ability to turn the ship without flipping it. It helped me feel less afraid and confused and angry.
    I think it was a brilliant move by Obama and a first class performance by Bill. I loved them both in that moment. :)

    Obama seems to rule best when he does it with a team. He is a total team player. That might help him in the next two years. He is a very adaptable man.

  • freeinpa

    “If you knew the first thing about business, economics, finance, accounting, history, constitutional law, biology, geology or personal hygiene, you’d almost be worth reading.”
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    Another ranting form a nobody. The college dropout failed used car salesman, taxi cab driver and public servant still ranting like the village idiot in a desperate of attempt for attention and relevance but in the end only a burden to society.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “He and Hillary lived in public housing until after his presidency and only then (and with the money of a pokitical operative) bought a home.”
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    If you call the White House “Public Housing”.
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    I hate to break it to you, but, with the taxes we pay most housing projects don’t look like the White House.
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    They don’t even have their own Movie Screening room, their own library or even servants’ quarters.
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    “You confuse public speaker for narcissist”
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    No, you have.
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    Public speakers are paid because people are eager to hear them.
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    A narcissist speaks for free or writes on a blog for free no matter how much nobody wants to hear from them.
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    A severe narcissist would, even after losing a bet promising not to post anymore, would keep on going and going and going….

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  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Give it up, Freak.
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    I don’t claim to be anybody special.
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    I learn facts and I link to them if they are a part of the discussion here.
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    You examine your colon with your face and toss out what you find there and call it gold.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Oh what a warm fuzzy feeling!
    I think La-La just peed a little.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    pfft!

  • lilaland

    Obama is a very adaptable man unlike McCain who is a very petty and spiteful man. McCain was petty and spiteful towards Bush when he lost the primaries (although liberals somehow saw it as him being honorable at the time) and McCain is very petty and spiteful towards Obama now because he lost the presidential race.

    It is a good thing to have an adaptable leader because it shows a level of maturity.

  • lilaland

    2thirdsrock has a wet shower fetish. It will cost you $300 to drink it.

  • shepherdwong

    Indeed, a worse relationship with the financial community would be an excellent idea–breaking up the big banks, imposing a financial transactions tax on derivatives trading and not appointing any more financial wizards to ranking positions in the Administration. It is time to encourage long-term investment and shun–indeed, shame–the short-term speculators who helped to ruin our economy.”
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    My hope for 2011 is that you keep religion on banking reform…and spread it around. It’s about time someone inside the Beltway made an issue out of the American economy being run into the ground by criminal sociopaths for their own enrichment and suffering no consequences for their treason. I’m thinking a good Justice Department investigation might help quiet these whining narcissists, while we fix the system so they can’t rape the country again.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Adaptable?
    Inept and spineless is more like it.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Here’s hoping people find things to agree on in the new year, without having to compromise.

  • sacredh

    “one thing I always wondered: after war with life and death decisions all of the time, doesn’t the rest of life seem mundane and petty?”
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    One of the vets I work with goes to a group therapy session once a week to deal with just that. We’ve talked at length about it several times. He basically thinks his service time was in color and his life now is in black and white. He says that when he was fighting his life was on the line and he felt preternaturally alert but that now he has a to just make sure that there’s enough money in his checking account to pay the bills and keep the lawn cut when the grass gets too high. He doesn’t get worked up about too much.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Obama seems to rule best when he does it with a team.”

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    Yes, like Van Jones, Andy Stern, George Soros, Oprah Winfrey, Hugo Chavez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and his new found friend from Syria, Bashar al-Assad.
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    Gee, with team players like these, who needs enemies. Well unless you are an American citizen I guess.
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    An apt name, however, I think you should revise it slightly, la-la-land sounds more descriptive for you.

  • Art Pepper

    Ditto. Sadly, I suspect the moment has passed. At least, until the next “opportunity” (aka meltdown).

  • lilaland

    “Inept and spineless is more like it.”

    No, he is like the T-1000. He keeps coming at you.. while he change shapes. He is liquid metal. He is goal focused and long headed. Keep underestimating him. :)

  • lilaland

    “An apt name, however, I think you should revise it slightly, la-la-land sounds more descriptive for you.”

    *rolls eye* how original. Kind of like when men feel the need to say “Adrienne” like Rocky, when ever they learn my first name. I alway subtract 20 points from their IQ.. for thinking they are creative.

  • Art Pepper

    “And why can’t liberal be honest and stop saying investment instead of what it really is confiscation of other people’s money for more spending!”
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    I think Klein was talking about private investors making long-term investments, as opposed to short-term speculation.
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    But if you’re talking about taxes … are you saying that government should never use taxes for things like infrastructure (roads) or basic research? (Please don’t forget that you are posting this using ARPANET…)

  • lilaland

  • lilaland

    “Gee, with team players like these, who needs enemies. Well unless you are an American citizen I guess.”

    No, he got serious legislation passed in the lame duck because he formed a Team of Rivals with Heavy-Weight republicans.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Yes, like Van Jones, Andy Stern, George Soros, Oprah Winfrey…”
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    What a random list.
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    Van Jones, a well experienced man who was going to hold an advisory post until videos came up where he called self proclaimed anarchists and communists “cool”
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    Overall, since it had nothing to do with his experience or policies, sounds like he was victim of witch hunt.
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    Andy Stern, president of the service employees union who did not approve of the tax on “Cadillac health insurance” since this is what unions usually negotiated for. Never hired by or worked with the president on any projects.
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    George Soros, self made immigrant billionaire who, by his bootstraps story would be the ideal conservative Republican and Evangelical Christian idol if it weren’t for the fact that he was a liberal atheist. Ruining the right wing concept that business success = hating government at all cost but no special ties to Obama has found pictures of his face placed on right winger’s dart boards for years by ruining their fairy tale about business being anti-government, but, overall, a highly respected investor and philanthropist.
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    Oprah, a talk show host in Chicago, of course, but not particularly tied to the president.
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    Hugo Chavez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and his new found friend from Syria, Bashar al-Assad.
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    “…Hugo Chavez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and his new found friend from Syria, Bashar al-Assad….”
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    All people the US has chilly relations with but under Bush nor any other administration have we considered going to war with due to none of them being a threat to the US, our allies nor anything worse than a mild irritation.
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    Why are you such a moron?

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  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Oh what a warm fuzzy feeling!
    I think La-La just peed a little.”
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    Just because you need to wear depends for every time sexy boy Rush Limbaugh comes on the air doesn’t mean that Democrats feel the same about the president.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “8.5

    pfft!”
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    Facts?
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    Two thirds brain is morally opposed to facts. Michael Savage tells him what to think, so, he doesn’t need facts.

  • 53_3

    It’s too bad that reality has caught up with Rusty.
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    Obama’s got guts no other recent president has demonstrated. I like it. America is seen as stronger in the eyes of the world for what Obama did….

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “…spineless is more like it.”
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    So, you’re saying that he should grow a pair and tell wingnuts like you to go fck yourselves?
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    I do think he needs to get a lot tougher on wingnuts and not give away to the wealthy that way.
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    It is a little spineless.

  • 53_3

    You must have been, uh, “out” during the last three weeks, 2/3rds.
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    Unless of course, you took Sarah’s statement to heart…

  • 53_3

    I like the metaphor, lilaland…
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    FTW!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Wow, that was shockingly random and off topic.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh.
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    14.0
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    Got it!

  • kathy

    Here’s hoping we find a way to return to some serious discussions in the Swampland.

    For a few million reasons, hoping the economy improves. And hoping all of us find ways to help others who are in need.

    Hoping the Congress finds a way to focus on big issues.

    On my worst days I hope my political opponents live long enough to see the consequence of their refusal to face global warming, and glimpse the disaster they will visit on their grandchildren. On my better days I hope we as a people find a way to get beyond the need for political revenge, and “try to outdo one another in love.”

    My hope for those of us left of center is that we’ll passionately support this president even though we’ll rightly call him to account. It’s good to remember that we got DADT passed this year because Obama insisted on keeping Lieberman in the fold. And because Lieberman did what he thought was right about this instead of denying the left a victory.

    Hoping we find a way out of the sinkhole of two wars. (Joe: how can a people that has held the best armies in the world at bay for centuries need “training” to fight?)

  • pintortwo

    Thank you Joe. I appreciate your hopeful list.

    I look forward to your article on Afghanistan. I hope you discuss the offensive in Kandahar and how it relates to “stabilizing the region”.

    To all, wishes of health and prosperity, and abundant good news, in the New Year.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “He doesn’t get worked up about too much.”
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    I could imagine that so easily.
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    Even as a lifelong civilian, if I am in a quiet, mellow situation too long I am ready to fall asleep, so, if war is your benchmark, it would be hard for anything to keep your eyes open.

  • deconstructiva

    Lila, consider yourself lucky. Talia Shire is a talented actress, so to be compared to her “Adrian” character isn’t so bad, though I wonder how Talia really feels to be called “Yo, Adrian” on the streets by fans every day. Maybe she appreciates it or hates it (“Is that all they remember me by, dammit!?”). Stallone, on the other again clearly embraces Rocky. Of course, he literally created the character when he wrote the film script (and all the sequels). Then again, to be compared to Adrian Peterson of the Vikings wouldn’t be so fun …for a woman, so hopefully you avoid that. Impossible? Not according to that odd NFL Mobile / Verizon commercial floating around lately…
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    Imagine Brett Favre crawling out of the pool whining about his shoulder again. Then he spends the rest of the afternoon pondering if he should go back into the pool once more or just wait for everyone to walk over and beg him to take another dip.

  • hippooath

    happy new year everyone – here’s me hoping to live another year and if I don’t leave my human stain upon it before I’m done.

  • fhmadvocat

    Here’s to hoping Republicans find a Heart, Obama finds some Courage, and the Democrats find some Brains.

  • formerlyjames

    Nice list, and others have already noted more generic and universal hopes for the new year, which by now is half-way around the world. More statesmanship, less politics, more honesty, less hypocrisy, more peace, less war, more listening, less pontificating, more humility, less preening, more sharing, less selfishness. Being the cynic I am, I place little hope for any of that happening.
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    So, while we wait for it to arrive here, Mr. Klein, Time, Swamplanders, everybody, one and all, Happy New Year!

  • freeinpa

    “I don’t claim to be anybody special.
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    I learn facts and I link to them if they are a part of the discussion here.”
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    Oh you absolutely do. You are always more compassionate, more observant, more learned and yet you are nothing but a wannbe.
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    You write long winded posts usually based on wikipedia in which you arrogantly lecture everyone with you elitist wannabe intellectual position. Problem you failed. You are a dropout with a pompous view of education. You dropped out of night (Harvard of course) haven’t been back but what to enter Columbia not for the education but the name. Again you strive for academic wannbe status.
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    You hate and belittle the rich but again that is exactly what you want to be- again the ultimate wannabe.
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    You want to be considered an intellectual liberal who rise from a middle class family (your description). Again wannbe status along with a liberal delusion. You describe your parents as wonderful scientists and engineer and yet they were only middle class. If they indeed were engineers in the 70-80s and middle class they were failures like you. So again you play the wannabe.
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    A pathetic loser and wannabe.

  • freeinpa

    “are you saying that government should never use taxes for things like infrastructure (roads) or basic research?”
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    No I am not. But call it was it is –spending. The left seems to believe (erroneously) that tax cuts is spending but will make leaps Evil Knievel could not make to avoid calling spending –spending.
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    “Michael Savage tells him what to think, so, he doesn’t need facts.”
    .Well I see your turned your left wing nut job calendar from the usual culprits of how everything any conservatives thinks can only come from Beck, Hannity, Palin .. Now you are at “S”. So maybe you will finally learn the alphabet afterall. Good first step Rev Jim but it still won’t make you the elitist intellectual–wannabe

  • lilaland

    thanks 53_3!

    @15.1, decon-
    Thanks for the post, it made me laugh. I’m thankful Adrienne Barbeau has aged to the point of no longer being a “gun and knife show” pin-up girl.. because men always felt the need to bring her up to me when I was 15. Like old red neck guys.. it was really creepy at the time. I got it a lot when I was too young for that kind of attention. So ew.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Andrew Cuomo emerges as the Democratic version of Chris Christie.”
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    The Beltway fetish for Christie is really something. No matter the crude, incompetent, “never my fault”, bullying behavior they love the guy.
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    Love to have JK expand on what exactly he means.

  • freeinpa

    “Never hired by or worked with the president on any projects.”
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    I guess wikipedia didn’t have all the “facts” for you this time. He made more visits to the White House than any other adviser paid or otherwise. Oh yeah he was also on the debt commission – where he pushed for more spending-

    He has the same sharp liberal mind like you. – Desperately in need of medication

  • freeinpa

    “I do think he needs to get a lot tougher on wingnuts and not give away to the wealthy that way”
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    Give away the wealthy their own money. Hard to believe that Harvard Night and Landscaping College didn’t make you chair of the economics department

  • freeinpa

    “Here’s to hoping Republicans find a Heart, Obama finds some Courage, and the Democrats find some Brains”
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    Since its already been shown that conservative are far more generous (with their own money) than liberals you have your first wish. I ‘m afraid you will be SOL with the last 2.

  • 53_3

    freeinpa:
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    “You write long winded posts usually based on wikipedia in which you arrogantly lecture everyone with you elitist wannabe intellectual position.”
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    1. Wikipedia has extensive and traceable documentation. References and scientific papers are considered to be, all over the world as units of knowledge!
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    2. You rely on attempting to brand people, whom you know nothing about as somehow deficient (i.e. “unemployed”, “welfare queens”, “gay” etc) in order to discredit them as a source of facts.
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    3. You whine about how conservatives are perceived, when, in fact, you, with your very next keystroke, gratuitously insult and confirm such perceptions!
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    I suggest that you are neither conservative, nor intelligent. Exiled is a very good example of a real conservative.
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    It is too bad that good conservatives like Exiled and Appolyon07 (and others!) have to suffer from the “collateral damage” inflicted by your constant displays of ignorance, intolerance, and childish, blind hatred!

  • freeinpa

    “the crude, incompetent, “never my fault”, bullying behavior they love the guy.”
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    That’s funny the left thought Clinton was the greatest when he exhibited the same behavior.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Right you are, those 8 years of peace and prosperity sucked.
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    Sheesh you really are a Pavlovian dope.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “…You are a dropout with a pompous view of education.”
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    What is a “pompous view of education” supposed to mean? I respect Paul Krugman’s opinion infinitely more than non-student Glenn Beck if that is what you mean.
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    Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh and all of your right wing favorite expound endlessly about economics and history and have not even read the textbooks.
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    Paul Krugman is one of the ones who wrote the textbooks.
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    I don’t know if you’d call that “pompous”.
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    “…haven’t been back but what to enter Columbia not for the education but the name.”
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    No because I had several relatives go there and it is truly an outstanding education.
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    The name helps when you want to work. If my goal was to learn things to post online to you, then I guess any name is fine.
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    My first college was Boston University, but, Harvard Extension was much cheaper. Since I am older, I need a bigger name on my resume, too to make up for some of the lost time.
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    Why are you so fascinated by this? It’s really boring crap if you ask me.
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    “You hate and belittle the rich but again that is exactly what you want to be- again the ultimate wannabe.”
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    “You hate and belittle the rich”
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    Correction. I don’t have hatred.
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    I belittle elitism:
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    “e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism (-ltzm, -l-)
    n.
    1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
    2.
    a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
    b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.”
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    So doe George Soros among other liberal billionaires.
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    If I end up making a huge amount of money – almost definitely not a billionaire, but for example – I would want to be kind and compassionate man who does not believe that business acumen is the only worthwhile intelligence as the Koch brothers, the Dubbya administration and the Tea Party do.
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    “You want to be considered an intellectual liberal who rise from a middle class family…”
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    I’d say “a bright guy with a good sense of humor” is how I would like to be thought of.
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    “You describe your parents as wonderful scientists and engineer and yet they were only middle class. If they indeed were engineers in the 70-80s and middle class they were failures like you.”
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    “Naval Architect Job Description, Career as a Naval Architect, Salary, Employment – Definition and Nature of the Work, Education and Training Requirements, Getting the Job
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    Salary: Median—$72,040 per year”
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    http://careers.stateuniversity.com/pages/71/Naval-Architect.html#ixzz19jE4xq3N
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    That’s less than a New York City Police Sergeant.
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    My father was making more than that 25 years ago.
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    My mother took 13 years off to be a Mom, but chemists are not billionaires – and far less so with 13 years off.
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    Median Salary
    $53,858
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    http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/Chemist-I-Salary-Details-06850-Norwalk-CT.aspx
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    If they were average, with four children in that area of the country, that is not wealthy at all.
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    Do you want to call my Mom and ask her?
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    My father died at age 76 two years ago, so, you can’t talk to him.
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    Why is this so important to you?

    .

  • freeinpa


    1. Wikipedia has extensive and traceable documentation”
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    I notice you did not mention reliable. Until recently any fool (like you) could edit the “facts”. One of these facts was presented to a local HS Bio class. AIDS was genetic. Great source!
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    “2. You rely on attempting to brand people, whom you know nothing about as somehow deficient (i.e. “unemployed”, “welfare queens”, “gay” etc) in order to discredit them as a source of facts.”
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    I am sorry are you referring to yourself here? That is the exact MO of you, patrick, kevin and a couple of others. And exactly when did I deride anyone one with “unemployed”, “welfare queens”, “gay”.? Although I will admit to saying that both the CLintons and the Obamas have lived most of their adult lives at the public trough.
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    3. You whine about how conservatives are perceived, when, in fact, you, with your very next keystroke, gratuitously insult and confirm such perceptions!

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    No what I write about is when an arrogant condescending liberal addresses me telling me how rude it is that I treat liberals in the manner that I am treated. And it is not all liberals here. It is a special few the over pompous underIQed led by you, Patrick Kevin a 1 or 2 others. You continually post idiotic responses, laugh to yourself then take a victory lap congratulating yourself for how brilliant you are and how you outsmarted everyone
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    “i9nflicted by your constant displays of ignorance, intolerance, and childish, blind hatred!”
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    Gee once again you seem to be writing about yourself. You should seek medical help to deal with that psychosis so other liberals don’t have to suffer by comparison to you.
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  • http://xpostfactoid.blogspot.com asp48

    Year-end generalizations are always dangerous. I think the Democrats displayed considerable courage in holding together to pass the PPACA after Scott Brown’s election blocked the smooth path to merging the House-Senate bills. Pelosi in particular was cool and firm at the darkest hour.
    Then there’s Lugar, daring the Democrats to force a vote on New Start and daring his Republican colleagues to vote against a treaty that the entire military brass and six former Republican secretaries of state supported. Not to mention Obama’s courage on the front, refusing to fold when Kyl stabbed him in the back.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “…The left seems to believe (erroneously) that tax cuts is spending but will make leaps Evil Knievel could not make to avoid calling spending –spending.”
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    Freak, this is algebra one, taught in the sixth or seventh grade:
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    Income – expenditures = deficit/surplus.
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    If all expenditures are deeded necessary by the voting public, or, at least 98% of these expenses then expenditures can not change unless you have a dictatorship impose unwanted cuts.
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    So, if income increases the surplus increases or, since deficits are negative numbers, the deficit decreases.
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    You love to spout out that the government should stop spending.
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    Okay, President Freakinpa (I am getting a stomach ache at this) in order to win office you promised to balance the budget not by tax increases but by cutting ________ (Fill in the blank and it must be big enough cuts to balance the budget with a surplus to pay off the deficit and programs that at least 50% of Americans do not want.)
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    If you can’t fill in the blank with an amount big enough, then it must come out of taxes instead.

  • Art Pepper

    No I am not.
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    OK, good — then we actually do agree on something. So why do you call taxation “confiscating”? Are taxes a legitimate way for the government to raise revenue?
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    btw, I’m personally happy to call government spending “spending”.
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    tax cuts is spending
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    No. What liberals (and the CBO) believe is that deficit = spending – revenue.
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    If you raise spending without raising revenue, the deficit goes up. If you lower revenue without lowering spending, the deficit goes up.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Income – expenditures = deficit/surplus.
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    All men are forced to sign up with selective service (the ultimate euphemism – it is about a potential draft and not selecting but being forced, if you will, at the point of a gun to join the armed forces) go to jury duty, etc as a condition of being in the US.
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    In every country, there are some forms of taxation and always have been.
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    Nobody makes money floating around all alone in outer space. They have to exist inside of a country somewhere to make money.
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    So, if the fact that you have national defense, schools, streets, cops, etc are all a part of how you have the opportunity to make money.
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    Then you pay your share determined by the majority of the people representing the majority of your fellow citizens.
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    If you really hate it, go to a place where citizens ask their neighbors to pay less taxes.
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    Somalia has less taxes for no government services.
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    I’ll buy you the one way ticket if you promise not to come back to my country.

  • freeinpa

    “I respect Paul Krugman’s opinion infinitely more than non-student Glenn Beck if that is what you mean.”
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    Thank you for proving the point. If someone has an Ivy degree and a liberal background you believe he has a superior intellect than someone who does not. Funny thing you don’t even realize it.
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    “Correction. I don’t have hatred.
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    I belittle elitism:”
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    Contradicted by your above answer. You continual spew bile at the rich, Wall St Corporations because they don’t share your pathetic view that their money should be everybody’s money and they should just hand it over. Your hatred of the wealthy and successful. There is nothing not elitist than a northeast Ivy League liberals and that is what you strive to be. So maybe the question is why do you hate yourself then?
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    “The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources”
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    You left out race, gender and sexual proclivity which is the heart of every liberal action.
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    “Why is this so important to you?”
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    t means nothing to me but apparently everything to you. You seem to have contrived a delusional world of a highly educated family that was middle class. In previous posts one was an engineer, now an architect. And you compare salaries then and now across a 25 yr time period and mom is off the hook now because she took 13 years off. But using your numbers, $125,868/yr hardly seems middle class considering Clinton considered around $80,000 to be wealthy with his much revered 1993 tax increase. Some inconsistencies in your fairy tale that you seem desperate to hold. But then being a failed son of 2 successful parents wouldn’t help your pompous arrogant self-inflated opinion of yourself now would it
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    .
    .

  • Art Pepper

    Obama established a goal early on of securing all vulnerable nuclear material around the world within four years — a task that encompasses locking down materials in 35 countries. Less than two years later, the U.S. National Nuclear Security Administration has completed its work in 19 of those countries, and D’Agostino believes the agency is on track to meet the White House’s deadline.

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_12/027328.php

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I guess wikipedia didn’t have all the “facts” for you this time. He made more visits to the White House than any other adviser paid or otherwise.”
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    Since you asked:
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    “Between Inauguration Day and July 31, 2009, Stern visited the White House 22 times, meeting with the president seven times.”
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Stern
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    It shows once again that your source of information is your colon.
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    Obviously advisers met with the president dozens of times, not seven, during that stretch.
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    So, you’re still a delusional, narcissistic moron.
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    You add nothing of value yet believe that you are soooooooooooooooooooooooo important that a little bet couldn’t keep you offline.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Thank you for proving the point. If someone has an Ivy degree and a liberal background you believe he has a superior intellect than someone who does not. Funny thing you don’t even realize it.”
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    Who do you go to when you get sick, your carpenter?
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    If you need serious surgery, do you go to the guy who has won awards for excellence or do you do to the man who runs your local bar?
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    So, who do you go to for information about economics, an award winning economist or a fat drug addict who never read an economics textbook since the day he was born?
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    Believing that some people know more about particular fields than others is not elitism.
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    If I had anything from a common cold to cancer I would never in a million years go to Paul Krugman. But I would go to the best doctor I can find.
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    I, also, wouldn’t go to either the best doctor I could find nor Paul Krugman about constitutional law. I would go to the best constitutional scholar I could find.
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    If one thinks that one group covers all, that is elitism.
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    Believing that some have learned from others is completely different.
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    Feel like you’ve got a cold, Freak? I know a great butcher who can handle your sniffles by cutting your nose off. Want to try that?
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    No?
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    Then why should I trust the right wing entertainers with our economy?

  • freeinpa

    “No. What liberals (and the CBO) believe is that deficit = spending – revenue.
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    If you raise spending without raising revenue, the deficit goes up. If you lower revenue without lowering spending, the deficit goes up.”
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    I am glad you agree that investment is spending. I disagree that not all liberals agree that deficit= spending -revenue. I will assume that you mistakenly reversed it and meant revenue – spending, otherwise its a positive number or a surplus. The problem with that logic however is spending never goes down. And liberasl play another word game when spending is reduced, instead of increasing 8%, it goes up 5%, they call it a cut. Nonsense. And you don’t lower revenue with tax cuts that is just wrong. Revenue goes up and that was demonstrated recently in a WSJ article. Liberals use trend lines and assume a reduction in rates means lower revenue and takes nothing else in to account for any change in behavior. For example, remember the infamous “Luxury tax” to punish the wealthy for buying expensive toys? What happened? Lower than projected revenue and a couple of yacht building companies went under.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Speaking of dopes..
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    “Ignorant right wingers threatening manufactured teen-idols based on fake news. I think that says it all”
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    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/that-dhimmi-kid-bieber-is-fishing-in.html

  • freeinpa

    “All men are forced to sign up with selective service”
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    Another wonderful vignette without any connection. Unless of course you mean the government conscripts all of our money and just let’s us have some of it. I am sure the American people have a different understanding
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    “So, if the fact that you have national defense, schools, streets, cops, etc are all a part of how you have the opportunity to make money.”
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    The fall back liberal position. If this was all that taxes were used that would be one matter. Unfortunately it is wasted by the billions in all matters where the government has no business but thrusts itself into.

    Remember the 70s and abortion right slogan “our body our choice” Now mandated HC with higher taxes for all. No choice
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    “If you really hate it, go to a place where citizens ask their neighbors to pay less taxes.
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    Somalia has less taxes for no government services.”
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    The same can be said t liberals about Cuba and HC yet I don’t see boat charters going their. Government involvement in everything but even they are admitting that fails. Seems only the ever so brilliant liberals in the US have failed to get that memo.
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  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “. You continual spew bile at the rich..”
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    I find supporters of right wing policies that the wealthy owe nothing to America disappointing and disagree with them..
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    “…Wall St Corporations because they don’t share your pathetic view…”
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    No, I hate the way they ate the economy in bad investments which drove themselves and us under with them.
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    “… that their money should be everybody’s money and they should just hand it over….”
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    No, I believe that without a standing arm, roads, law enforcement, social services, education…. all that government does they would be stuck in the middle of the wilderness without even a loin cloth much less an economy you can make any money from, so, they are due to pay a share into those expenditures.
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    “There is nothing not elitist than a northeast Ivy League liberals and that is what you strive to be.”
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    Expect the government to give me tax breaks?
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    No., that’s the far right who want to give the wealthiest tax breaks.
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    I don’t want anybody to serve in office who did not attend any of these schools?
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    No, that’s the right wing – who mostly went to the same schools I did – who say that only the wealthy who made their money outside of entertainment in the private sector should serve in office and belittle Scholars such as law professors Bill Clinton and Barack Obma.
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    Paul Krugman is a black Lesbian?
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    I thought he was a heterosexual white man.
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    That last one was the dumbest of your spewing.
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    “In previous posts one was an engineer, now an architect.”
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    Naval Architecture/ Marine Engineering.
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    It’s one field with two names.
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    I often would say, “my father designed cargo ships for 34 years.”
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    “And you compare salaries then and now across a 25 yr time period and mom is off the hook now because she took 13 years off. ”
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    No, I could only find this year’s numbers for NA/ME. He out earned that many years ago but, was retired early 22 years ago and died 2 years ago.
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    If you don’t know what workplace absence does to salary, I just can’t help you. I don’t have all day. I want to head out to one of the pubs by 11:00 and haven’t eaten dinner yet.
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    “But using your numbers, $125,868/yr hardly seems middle class considering Clinton considered around $80,000 to be wealthy with his much revered 1993 tax increase.”
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    First there were four children.
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    Second, that was not the reality of Clinton’s taxes:
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    “While campaigning for President in 1992, Bill Clinton proposed a 10% “millionaire surtax” on taxable incomes above $1 million to help close the deficit. Once in office, however, he pushed through that surtax on taxable income above $250,000, taking the rate up to 39.6%. At the time, a Treasury official gamely explained that most of those with incomes of $250,000 and up were millionaires–in terms of assets. Clinton “defined down what rich was,” says Leonard Burman, director of the Tax Policy Center.”
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    http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/1126/042a.html
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    That’s $250k in 1992 dollars.
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    “What cost $250000 in 1992 would cost $377,531.95 in 2009.”
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    So, with two fewer children, my parents should have been one third of “wealthy”.
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    Hence middle class.

  • freeinpa

    “I hate to break it to you, but, with the taxes we pay most housing projects don’t look like the White House.”
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    And the Clintons left the WH in a manner that is usually found in housing projects
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    “You confuse public speaker for narcissist”
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    No, you have.”
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    Wow what a rapier like wit! Got any rubber and glue ones for later?
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    “Public speakers are paid because people are eager to hear them”

    And why do you think most of the money has been foreign entities? And dos that apply to authors too? Since Bush has sold multiples of Clinton in fractions of the time.
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    “A narcissist speaks for free or writes on a blog for free no matter how much nobody wants to hear from them.”
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    And yet you continue
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    “A severe narcissist would, even after losing a bet promising not to post anymore, would keep on going and going and going….”
    . And one who searches out and continually replies to one he has accused of being this is what?

    An idiotic, pathetic wannabe and all around loser-you
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  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “The problem with that logic however is spending never goes down.”
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    http://www.chadwickresearch.com/blog/?p=124
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    See the second graph the dotted line.
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    In terms of GDP, US spending does go up and down with the biggest fluctuation being in military spending.
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    If you do not index it for GDP, it is worthless since population growth and inflation are the biggest two factors in higher GDP with growth being tertiary.
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    “And you don’t lower revenue with tax cuts that is just wrong. Revenue goes up and that was demonstrated recently in a WSJ article.”
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    Almost nobody who has taken even Econ 101 has said that in about 25 years.
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    You are getting into the laffer curve.
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    “It is used to illustrate the concept of Taxable Income Elasticity (that taxable income will change in response to changes in the rate of taxation). The curve is constructed by thought experiment. First, the amount of tax revenue raised at the extreme tax rates of 0% and 100% is considered. It is clear that a 0% tax rate raises no revenue, but the Laffer curve hypothesis is that a 100% tax rate will also generate no revenue because at such a rate there is no longer any incentive for a rational taxpayer to earn any income, thus the revenue raised will be 100% of nothing. If both a 0% rate and 100% rate of taxation generate no revenue, it follows that there must exist at least one rate in between where tax revenue would be a maximum. The Laffer curve is typically represented as a stylized graph which starts at 0% tax, zero revenue, rises to a maximum rate of revenue raised at an intermediate rate of taxation and then falls again to zero revenue at a 100% tax rate. However, there are infinitely many curves satisfying these boundary conditions. Little can be said without further assumptions or empirical data.
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    Research on Revenue Maximising Tax Rate

    One study of the United States between 1959 and 1991 placed the revenue-maximizing tax rate (the point at which another marginal tax rate increase would decrease tax revenue) between 32.67% and 35.21%.[18] Pecorino (1995) argued that the peak occurred at tax rates around 65%.[19] Another empirical study found that the point of maximum tax revenue in Sweden in the 1970s would have been 70%.[20]”
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve#Research_on_Revenue_Maximising_Tax_Rate
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    So, if it is below 65% or so for the highest bracket, this is true.
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    Below that point, it is false.
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    “For example, remember the infamous “Luxury tax” to punish the wealthy for buying expensive toys? What happened? Lower than projected revenue and a couple of yacht building companies went under.”
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    Actually, since luxury goods are price sensitive, in our econ classes at, yes, Harvard, while this was being proposed, taxing price sensitive or “elastic” goods has a bad effect and economists did not support that last tax.
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    Wages are not as elestic.
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    Would a doctor quit his job of many years if cleaning septic tanks paid four times as much?
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    Would a doctor switch hospitals for a 15% increase in pay?
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    No. There are too many variables in income to make it elastic.

  • Ivy_B

    On the way back from my daughter’s heard Christie talking about his asking for federal funds to help with the NJ snow clean-up. Must cut taxes, except when we want the funds for our purposes. Then let everyone pay.

  • Ivy_B

    Happy New Year everyone!

    As kathy said earlier, I hope the Swamp will return to more substantive discussions in the New Year. Perhaps comments that are off topic could be highlighted by using the OT convention at the beginning.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Since its already been shown that conservative are far more generous (with their own money) than liberals you have your first wish.”
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    “According to Google’s figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. ”
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html
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    You give to Ted Haggard who uses your money for meth and gay hookers and expect a standing ovation?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Unless of course you mean the government conscripts all of our money and just let’s us have some of it. I am sure the American people have a different understanding.”
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    No, just as the government doesn’t ask infant males or boys younger than 18 nor men 35 or older under any circumstances and has lotteries and other means when not all men of the right age group are needed, the government for national defense, bridges, roads, teachers, schools, etc, “conscript” the economically healthiest the same way for a draft they conscript the physically healthiest.
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    I bet when Vietnam was going on you demanded that the government conscript men in their 70s and 80s instead since they didn’t have long to live and to let the healthiest enjoy their youth.
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    If not, then why not, to serve our country, let the government ask the economically healthiest to, in graduated steps pay more for the services we get.
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    “Unfortunately it is wasted by the billions in all matters where the government has no business but thrusts itself into.
    Now mandated HC with higher taxes for all. No choice”
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    Look back a couple of days and support for HCR plus people who do not think it was liberal enough added up to 58%.
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    So, just like when I didn’t want to pay a penny to attack Iraq, if you are in the minority, you lose.
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    Remember the 70s and abortion right slogan “our body our choice”
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    First, I was born in 1971 and was too young to remember and, secondly, I am pro life.
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    “Somalia has less taxes for no government services.”
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    The same can be said t liberals about Cuba..”
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    The ACLU is liberal and hates everything about Cuba not because of economics, but, because of human rights.
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    Conservatives complain far less about freedom of speech, etc, etc, so, Somalia is for you.

  • 53_3

    Happy new year, all!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “And the Clintons left the WH in a manner that is usually found in housing projects.”
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    Because they hoped that a black family would move in after them? Is that what made it more like a housing project or are you just being a moron?
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    “”A severe narcissist would, even after losing a bet promising not to post anymore, would keep on going and going and going….”
    . And one who searches out and continually replies to one he has accused of being this is what?”
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    A virtual, volunteer bouncer.
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    When work is slow, frustrating you and your delusions of the extreme far right is my service to the community.
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    More than just discouraging you, sometimes I make people here laugh and get other related compliments from time to time.
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    When have you gotten any outside of the five other wingnuts:
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    Earl
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    3Xfire3
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    Liberalmeltdown
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    Husein.
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    twothirdsrocks
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    Never.
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    When do I get a proverbial spanking from anybody but you nuts?
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    Never.
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    When does everybody except for those five tell you to STFU?
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    Always.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Yep Ivy another anti D.C. republican governor…
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    “Gimme, gimme, gimme!”
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    If actual people wouldn’t be hurt I’d want the Feds to tell them to go pound sand.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Gee once again you seem to be writing about yourself. You should seek medical help to deal with that psychosis so other liberals don’t have to suffer by comparison to you.”
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    Honestly, I do think that there is something wrong with a person who spends all day writing to people he hates.
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    If you are this millionaire as you claim to be with a happy marriage and a daughter, if you were sane, this would be the last possible thing you would do you with your time.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Good catch.

  • freeinpa

    “Almost nobody who has taken even Econ 101 has said that in about 25 years.”
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    Then you should sue the WSJ because apparently a couple of professors said it a week ago.
    .

    You go on an don and never really say anything of value. You talk about things in “reality” and yet you have no concept of it. Yesterday you droned on about snow removal all from the tiny sphere of the few blocks where you live. You talk about how every conservative only mouths what some talk show host supposedly said (which is interesting since I don’t listen to them but apparently you do) and yet every piece of crap that comes out of your mouth is liberal talking points.
    .
    .
    I am still laughing at how Income – expenditures is algebra. But then for a pompous know it all you know nothing.

    An arrogant pompous loser– middle class mom & dad must be sooo proud.
    The above quote is what you use as facts. You extrapolate nonsense. You are arrogant tedious and tiresome even by liberal standards.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Happy New Year back at you & the commentariat writ large. Already ’11 here.
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    I don’t mind OT tangents at all. But there’s a difference between leaping like poodles for Spob-bait and responding to Sacred’s MIL torture. If you ever surf around the comments from back in the day, you’ll note that not only were there fewer rightists, they were almost uniformly ignored. Apol, N-R, these guys deserve our respect and engagement. But our resident rightists and their enablers are what’s destroying substantive discussion.
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    Then again, coming from a Naderite firebagger like myself…

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    That was supposed to be in response to Ivy but since I was sent into moderation…

  • freeinpa

    “Obviously advisers met with the president dozens of times, not seven, during that stretch.”
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    It seems even a colon is smarter than you and wikipedia. Or are you just proving again liberals hatred of the military and love of unions.

    You are past tiresome today. ANy more idiot responses by you will be ignored. You have raised your stupidity to an unprecedented level
    .

    General McChrystal has not spoken with Mr. Obama since submitting his grim assessment of the war a month ago and has spoken with him only once in the 100 days since he took command of all American and NATO forces in Afghanistan. The lack of direct communication has generated criticism and fueled suspicions of strains between the White House and Kabul.”

  • freeinpa

    “According to Google’s figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. ”
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    At best its called massaging the data, but more likely just lying to yourself to support your belief in a bankrupt philosophy

  • freeinpa

    paul of north great non-responsive answer that display the delusional view of reality. Maybe if Christie takes up cigars and molesting women you will agree.

  • Art Pepper

    “revenue – spending”
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    Yes, thanks. I had my signs reversed. :-)

  • Paul-no not that one

    Non responsive?
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    Joe praises (I assume ) Christie, I point out the odd fetish that the Beltway has for the N.J. Governor.
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    You, displaying your Pavlovian need to bring up a Democrat-in this case Clinton-make a silly comment.
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    I point out that your comment is stupid.
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    On point as far as I can tell.
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    My guess is when Christie falls it will have nothing to do with women.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Already ’11 here.”
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    Cool, can you give me the winners for the Rose, Outback, Gator, and Fiesta Bowls?
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    Thanks!

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Man, I wish it worked that way. I’d be living on an estate overlooking San Luis Obispo.
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    Actually, I just wish I could see the bowl games.

  • ohiolibb

    Yes, like Van Jones, Andy Stern, George Soros, Oprah Winfrey
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    Is it just me, or has the racist, hateful boil on the a$$ of humanity that calls itself rustyblog finally reached textee-esque levels of insanity by including Oprah Winfrey in a list of people he is scared of?

  • liberalmeltdown

    Here’s hoping that we will have some REAL scientists win Nobel prizes in 2011. Not leftists with and agenda that manipulate and out and out lie.
    .
    Glacier scientist: I knew data hadn’t been verified

    By David Rose
    Last updated at 12:54 AM on 24th January 2010

    The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.

    Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html#ixzz19k3GKPwc
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    Here’s another one. Note what the arrogant moron says at 1:25 about picking up a newspaper and using it as a source. THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT HE DID.
    ROTFLMAO.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I am still laughing at how Income – expenditures is algebra.”
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    Then I bet the fact that George Washington was the first president must have you in stitches.
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    That’s because if expenditures = $3,518,000,000,000 and the federal debt is $14,000,000,000,000 and you want to pay off 5% per year you have to figure it out with algebra.
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    5% of $14 T is $700 B
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    So if you want pay off the federal debt in 20 years the end answer must be $700B
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    I – $3,518B = + $700 B then taxes must go up to $4,218B.
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    Hence, taxes must go up to that level.
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    Hilarious.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Admiral Michael Mullen is the chairman of the Joint Cheifs of staff.
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    Why does he need to meet with McCrystal all of the time?
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    Besides, you said “more often than any of his other advisers”.
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    Mullen is an advisor. McCrrystal is a general.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Freak,
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    Stop being a pest and go be a good Christian and buy some Meth for your gay minister, will you?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Psychiatric Meltdown,
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    “MEMO TO MEDIA: Please start doing some damn journalism — like placing a simple phone call to a primary source. A great many “newspapers” like the Daily Mail are no more reliable than the websites of the anti-science disinformers, like the thoroughly discredited ClimateDepot of Marc Morano.

    In an exclusive interview — “exclusive” in the sense that many of the people smearing Dr. Murari Lal haven’t bothered to ask him whether the original story was accurate — Dr. Lal asserts that the “most vilest allegations” in the Daily Mail story are utterly false….
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    As you’d expect, this was immediately trumpeted by Morano (a spreader of uber-disinformation since the days he helped launch the shameful Swift Boat smear against John Kerry). You’d think that science reporters and major media would know enough to treat claims from such sources with a grain of salt (see “FoxNews pushes falsehood-filled Daily Mail article on global cooling that utterly misquotes, misrepresents work of Mojib Latif and NSIDC“). But of course they don’t (see “Exclusive interview with Dr. Latif, the man who confused the NY Times and New Scientist, the man who moved George Will and Morano to extreme disinformation“).

    At the very least, anyone who was going to repeat this inflammatory charge — let alone draw any conclusions from it — ought to have made a simple phone call to Dr. Lal, don’t you think? But not Science News and US News & World Report.”
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    http://climateprogress.org/2010/01/25/un-scientist-refutes-daily-mail-claim-himalayan-glacier-2035-ipcc-mistake-not-politically-motivated/
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    More Bulls hit from psychiatric meltdown.

  • 53_3

    Numbers don’t lie, but liars like Freeinpa certainly can number…

  • 53_3

    I think you have a certain perverse attachment to fault zones, jcapan.
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    Just kidding…

  • 53_3

    liberalmeltdown:
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    Would you explain to me how CO2 is not a greenhouse gas?
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    Also, would you inform me as to why current climate modeling keeps coming up with the unpleasant results indicating that ozone, water vapor, NO, CO, and methane will be entrained in a positive feedback loop warming the planet in secular fashion?
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    I’m truly interested in hearing your opinion. Perhaps Nature or Science will be willing to publish it.
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    ..
    …not!

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Fitty, if you’re referring to plate tectonics, then I think you’re right. Knock on wood, however, in my 10+ years in CA & J-town, I’ve felt only a handful of quakes. In CA, never once, but San Diego is pretty immune. Now I live in a concrete bldg. so I’ve not felt a quake in nearly 3 years. Before I lived in a tenement, and even 4s or 5s would wake me, clutching my knickers.
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    If you’re referring to tectonics of another order, the surly partisan butchery practiced here … well, you may have a point. I b!tch about it a lot but I keep coming back!
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    Oh well, there are always resolutions to be made at this time of the year, right?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “”Almost nobody who has taken even Econ 101 has said that in about 25 years.”
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    Then you should sue the WSJ because apparently a couple of professors said it a week ago.”
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    Gonzalo Raffo, wrote an opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal on August 28th.
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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703876404575200621394266894.html
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    His linked in profile does not cite a PhD in anything:
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    Gonzalo Raffo

    Title
    General Counsel – Peru at Pluspetrol
    Demographic info
    Peru | Legal Services

    Current:
    General Counsel – Peru at Pluspetrol
    Past:
    Counsel at Pluspetrol Norte S.A., Senior Associate at García Sayán Abogados, Legal Fellow at Inter American Investment Corporation, Legal Advisor…
    Education:
    Northwestern University – Kellogg School of Management, Northwestern University School of Law , Universidad de Lima
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    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Gonzalo/Raffo
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    One can not sue somebody for an outdated idea.
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    Now, if you don’t want to go to my butcher to cut your nose off to take care of that cold of yours but, instead, want to be “elitist” and go to a doctor instead, then why shouldn’t we go to Economist Paul Krugman instead of Peruvian attorney Gonzalo Raffo for economics?
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    FWIW, I wouldn’t hire Paul Krugman to defend me for a parking ticket. That’s not because he is not an outstanding economist, it is because he is not an attorney at all.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    53,
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    I’m wondering how many more spankings these guys need.
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    Coming up in 2011: Freak, Rusty, Psychiatric Meltdown and Earl argue that the earth is flat.
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    Stay tuned for more!
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    Happy New Year’s 53.

  • 53_3

    I think in your case, I won’t push you to make any resolutions along those lines. For one, we’d miss you if you did on the one “tectonic” front, and there would be yet another glass to turn over at the bar.
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    Wouldn’t want you to make a resolution on the other, either, as considerable discomfort comes from pulling up roots.
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    I have a perverse liking for the earthshakes too, but the last one was a bit too scary, as I was on the bottom floor of a 4 story brick building (the rooms even had those Gawdoffal cinderblock walls!) and long, loooong hallway to traverse to the entrance.
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    Not fun at all, er, until afterward when it was all of a sudden exciting.
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    Let’s just knock on wood and hope, instead…

  • lilaland

    patricksartor, you are always so feisty and informed! I love it.

  • 53_3

    well, you should take a peek at rdw56′s misfortune at the hands of ndo, Exiled, and hippoath.
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    I punched out of Israel, Aaargh! yesterday ’cause Exiled had the night shift, but I think he left work early because rdw was relentlessly rolling FOX blunts.
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    No one wanted a puff of that fairy dust.
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    So I come back this morning and hippoath and ndo have rdw56 trapped in a corner. I tried to help out pinning him down but that slithery weasel evaded us all!
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    Happy new year and hope the Flox Flotsam figures out that the American people are not ready for what they had in mind…

  • 53_3

    Wish I had the time and energy to help out, but mainly, unless I really don’t have any work (I’ve been on vacation – the first in 10 years!) I’m pretty much reduced to something only a cut above trollery, if that…

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Thanks Lilaland and 53.
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    If it weren’t for the dead economy and working from home I wouldn’t have so much time on my hands.
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    For the new years if these right wingers are really so connected and so good at business, refer me to a company looking to buy a $100 Mil dollar building in Manhattan and I’ll be too busy to post for weeks. Then, of course, I might be posting from on board a cruise ship and vacationing the rest of my Winter, so, I guess they won’t help out.
    . :)
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    As fro rdw56, I’ll grant him this: I have never seen him make a personal attack on anybody. As far as I can tell he is a decent human being who is woefully misinformed but does not know it. As for the rest of the wingnuts…..

  • liberalmeltdown

    The fact is that the report of Himilayan glaciers melting by 2035 were false. And the guy in the video did get the reference from one interview in a newspaper.
    .
    http://blogs.forbes.com/warrenmeyer/2010/10/15/denying-the-catstrophe-the-science-of-the-climate-skeptics-position/?boxes=opinionschannellatest
    Studies that have avoided Mann’s mistakes have all tended to find the same thing – whether looking over a scale of a century, or millennia, or millions of years, climate changes absolutely naturally. Nothing about our current temperatures or CO2 levels is either unusual or unprecedented.
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    Climate change, as you NOW call it is a natural occurrence. No amount of tax, carbon credits, or any other legislation will make any significant difference in the amount of carbon dioxide that man will continue to produce.

  • Art Pepper

    True, that statement about the Himalayan glaciers was a definite goof-up, and was later retracted by the IPCC.
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    But interestingly, the problem stemmed from the fact that the statement was not taken from peer-reviewed scientific literature.
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    So now the question is: Do conservatives believe in peer-reviewed science? Because the science is clear. So either you believe the science, or else this part of the story is totally irrelevant:
    .

    Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research.

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    If science is a fraudulent endeavor, then what difference does it make whether the statement did or did not come from peer-reviewed research?

  • Art Pepper

    Also, note that the glaciers are in fact retreating. Just not by 2035:
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    http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=2573&from=rss_home
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    And here’s something about how the error likely made it into the report in the first place:
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    http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/2010/02/anatomy-of-ipccs-himalayan-glacier-year-2035-mess/

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    From your article:
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    “This second theory is the source of most of the predicted warming – not greenhouse gas theory per se but the notion that the Earth’s climate (unlike nearly every other natural system) is dominated by positive feedbacks. This is the main proposition that skeptics doubt, and it is by far the weakest part of the alarmist case.”
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    What exactly is a positive feedback?
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    “A system exhibiting positive feedback, in response to perturbation, acts to increase the magnitude of the perturbation. That is, “A produces more of B which in turn produces more of A”.[1] In contrast, a system that responds to a perturbation in a way that reduces its effect is said to exhibit negative feedback. These concepts were first recognized as broadly applicable by Norbert Wiener in his 1948 work on cybernetics.”
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_feedback
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    [edit] Arctic methane release
    Main article: Arctic methane release

    Warming is also the triggering variable for the release of methane in the arctic.[4] Methane released from thawing permafrost such as the frozen peat bogs in Siberia, and from methane clathrate on the sea floor, creates a positive feedback.[5][6]
    [edit] Cloud feedback
    Main article: Cloud feedback

    Warming is expected to change the distribution and type of clouds. Seen from below, clouds emit infrared radiation back to the surface, and so exert a warming effect; seen from above, clouds reflect sunlight and emit infrared radiation to space, and so exert a cooling effect. Whether the net effect is warming or cooling depends on details such as the type and altitude of the cloud. These details were poorly observed before the advent of satellite data and are difficult to represent in climate models.[7]
    [edit] Decomposition
    Main article: Decomposition

    Organic matter stored in permafrost generates heat as it decomposes in response to the permafrost melting.[8] This is significant mainly due to its effect on Arctic methane release.
    [edit] Gas release
    Main article: Greenhouse gas

    Release of gases of biological origin may be affected by global warming, but research into such effects is at an early stage. Some of these gases, such as nitrous oxide released from peat, directly affect climate.[9] Others, such as dimethyl sulfide released from oceans, have indirect effects.[10]
    [edit] Ice-albedo feedback
    When ice melts, land or open water takes its place. Both land and open water are on average less reflective than ice and thus absorb more solar radiation. This causes more warming, which in turn causes more melting, and this cycle continues. During times of global cooling, additional ice increases the reflectivity which reduces the absorption of solar radiation which results in more cooling in a continuing cycle.[11] Considered a faster feedback mechanism.[12]
    [edit] CO2 in the oceans
    Main article: Airborne fraction
    Further information: Effects of global warming#Oceans

    Cooler water can absorb more CO2 than warmer water. As ocean temperatures rise the oceans will absorb less CO2 resulting in more warming. Conversely when cooler the oceans have absorbed more CO2, resulting in further cooling. There is about 50 times more carbon in the oceans than there is in the atmosphere.[13]

    In addition to the water itself, the ecosystems of the oceans also sequester carbon. Their ability to do so is also expected to decline as the oceans warm: Warming reduces the nutrient levels of the mesopelagic zone (about 200 to 1000 m deep), which limits the growth of diatoms in favor of smaller phytoplankton that are poorer biological pumps of carbon.[14]
    [edit] Water vapor feedback
    Main article: Water vapor feedback

    If the atmospheres are warmed, the saturation vapor pressure increases, and the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere will tend to increase. Since water vapor is a greenhouse gas, the increase in water vapor content makes the atmosphere warm further; this warming causes the atmosphere to hold still more water vapor (a positive feedback), and so on until other processes stop the feedback loop. The result is a much larger greenhouse effect than that due to CO2 alone. Although this feedback process causes an increase in the absolute moisture content of the air, the relative humidity stays nearly constant or even decreases slightly because the air is warmer.[7] Climate models incorporate this feedback. Water vapor feedback is strongly positive, with most evidence supporting a magnitude of 1.5 to 2.0 W/m2/K, sufficient to roughly double the warming that would otherwise occur. [15] Considered a faster feedback mechanism”
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_feedback#Arctic_methane_release
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    Now just in case you think that this makes a simple math problem, there, also, are some negative feedbacks mentioned in the second article.
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    So, would you please just give up on this moronic reality denying?
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    My plans for tonight are to walk into a neighborhood bar for about two hours and see who I know there.
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    It’s getting close to that time for me.
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    Why don’t you get yourself a drink or two and forget playing this game until at least tomorrow.

  • sacredh

    Happy New Year to all the swamplanders. Here’s hoping that the New Year brings good health and good fortune to you and your families.
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    We’ve watched the 1st 5 episodes of the old Outer Limits series so far this evening. We’re going to work our way through all of them this winter. Just before midnight we’re going to put in The Beatles 1st appearance on Ed Sullivan. Something old to ring in the new. It’s still above 50 degrees here btw.

  • 53_3

    22F here, sacred.
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    See you on the other side!
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    Happy New Year!

  • 53_3

    He’s tossed a few over there. I’ve generally refrained, too.
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    He’s got some very, very odd viewpoints…

  • stuartzechman

    Happy New Year to all the writers here, both pro and am, from @lovely_bride and myself.

  • http://bluesky2all.wordpress.com bluesky2all

    All of this political response and none about the music, the road music and ACL…………..Oh Jeez…….The end of the year comments were pretty good. I prefer some mixture of Joe, Thomas Barnett (someone puhleeese add strategy to the lexicon), Fareed, Tom Friedman………OK, the visionaries as a group, along with the practical pols, the git er done folks……Ed Rendell, et. al……………….I would have loved to share an Austin City Limits taping, along with the mass music shared with 80K of my closest friends…………By the way Joe, I did see Arcade Fire at ACL 4 years ago(by happenstance since the White Stripes had cancelled, but what an incredible show) and have not missed ACL since moving to Austin in 06………..Black Keys, phenomenal, Spoon, Rebolution, Flaming Lips, of course, and on and on…………..Thanks to Joe for the thankless summary, I would like to see a William Safire, New Years pop quiz, though, oh memories…….

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Does anybody here remember the days when being a Democrat and a liberal meant being a tough union man like this:
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    http://thedailymind.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/lewis_hine_phot_nyc_empire.jpg
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    And being a conservative meant being like William F Buckley Jr.
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    http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2008/07/340x_buckley-william_01.jpg
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    Back then people considered the Democratic Party and being liberal the thing of real men and the Republicans being a bunch of sissies and arthritic old men.
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    I still think that way.
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    Nothing against actual gay people, but, starting with the understanding that at you at work and you could hardly care less what your coworker did at home or, in the military and you could hardly care less what your fellow soldier did, or who they did on leave Republicans tried to turn the tables on us as if we were the elitist sissies and they were the real men.
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    Being liberal has always been about being with the real, ordinary people and being, if you will, a real man who wishes to earn a good living to take good care of his wife and his children as far as I am concerned.
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    Being right wing is always to me about preserving your trust fund and not caring about other people.
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    For what it’s worth, from everything I know about William F Buckley, he was not gay at all, but, in a barroom brawl he was the last guy in the world you would want standing beside you.
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    That’s not to say that since I don’t always brush them I would be ready to lose a few teeth in a barroom brawl or be in a bar room brawl, but, it used to be the opposite in terms of which party was of real men.
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    It used to be that Democrats and Liberals were the the tough guys.
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    Republicans seem to always want to turn the tables on us and call us “Elitist” while they wish to rule by whomever has the most money whether by earnings or, in the case of the Bush family and the Koch brothers who fund the Tea Party, by inheritance.
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    Just a few New Year’s thoughts from a Liberal Democrat who has had a few drinks tonight.
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    Posting and drinking do not mix well.
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    I had good time hanging out with people in my neighborhood at a local bar down the street.
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    I had to carefully re-read this to make sure that it would not embarrass me tomorrow.
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    Happy New Years everybody!

  • apr2563

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/12/gov_christie_signs_letter_to_p.html
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    Christie signed a letter in Freehold officially requesting aid from the federal government and then took questions, blaming mayors for people being trapped in their homes and Democrats and the media for the attention being given to his decisions to remain in Disney World on a family vacation while the state was inundated with snow.
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    When it became clear that the storm was getting worse, Christie said his wife warned him to not “even think about” canceling the trip.

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    Not his job. Not his responsibility. However, feds should send money. What a thinskinned bully and what a wuss. Everyday a Republican presidential contender, as disignated by the media, disqualifies him/herself with their stupidity.

  • apr2563

    jcapan: That is one of my resolutions for the new year. I will return to ignoring the rabid reactionaries on this site. I will not respond to their sophmoric posting. I will not be lured into reciprocal name calling and perpetuation of thier ignorance.
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    Good enough?

  • apr2563

    Joe, I hope you reconsider your knee jerk, cw opinion of Christie.
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    Still, Happy New Year Joe and all of the Swamplanders.
    .

  • apr2563

    Speaking of ignorant: correction (their)

  • Ivy_B

    For those of us who think we pay attention to the news, here is a quiz about last year that Digby linked to. I felt better when she said she didn’t do very well.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2010/dec/30/usa-tomasky-blog-year-end-quiz

  • 53_3

    Happy Birthday, 2011…

  • sacredh

    I didn’t do very well at all. I only managed to get 14 of them right.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Yeah that’s the typical liberal solution iv, if you don’t don’t like the message, suppress it, control it, censor it. A huge fan of the fairness doctrine no doubt.

    The great unwashed must be silenced.

    My pearl of wisdom for the day: Suck on it!

  • ilikechips

    Wow.enjoyable to check in once in a while and find loser fatpatrick getting spanked by a few conservative posters.fatpatrick still can’t put a post or thought together without google. Still the idiot trying to look smart. Fatpatrick u r always good for a laugh. Thanks tubby

  • sacredh

    Welcome 2011. I hope everyone had a good evening with no mishaps. We were going to split a bottle of wine but wound up drinking only glass each and that was half ginger ale. I was in bed by 1:15.

  • Ivy_B

    You did better than I, sacred!

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    yeah that’ll learn us…

  • kbanginmotown

    Happy New Year, JC!
    .
    Agreed. Less ranting, more thoughtful debate would make for an awesome 2011. (Heck, after the fireworks this past week, I’m starting to miss the relative calm of November.)

  • sacredh

    Ivy_B, 2 of them were guesses. I didn’t have a clue and lucked out.

  • kbanginmotown

    The karaoke machine was turned to 11 and there was no shortage of favorite beverages. I’m so hoarse right now that I may be walking around today with pencil and paper to talk to the kids. Or, we may just chat on FB ;)
    .
    MSU plays at 1PM and Michgan at 1:30? Another BCS blunder…

  • sacredh

    I’m not big on New Year’s resolutions, but starting today I’m going from a pack and a half of cigarettes to one pack a day. On the 15th I’m going to a half pack a day. My wife is doing the same thing. To put some teeth into it, we both agreed to put $2 into a jar for each cigarette over our limit that we smoke.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    It’s Leadpaintchips!
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    I haven’t seen your ugly posts in months.
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    As i said above, I am not a drinking but had a few drinks and tossed together what I had t say right before going to bed.
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    Have anything intelligent to add or are you just Textee Part II?

  • sacredh

    kbang, I have attempted karaoke once and that was about 15 years ago. I was at a bar with a woman I was seeing and a couple of her friends. They egged me on and I finally went up to try. I did “Fat Bottomed Girls”. When I finished her friend put her hand on my shoulder and said that I was very brave to try and they wouldn’t do that to me again. I didn’t think I did too bad. I was the only one that thought that.

  • apr2563

    sacredh: I wrote Patrick I quit 2 years, 6 months and now 14 days ago. As you can tell, it is a hard thing to do. But, it can be done. I smoked at least 2 packs a day (bought internet cigarettes to save money to poison myself). After landing in the emergency room because of emphysema, I decided it was enough. Quit now. I waited too long and the damage to my lungs is extensive. I watched my mother die of emphysema and still smoked. Stupid.
    I know this post is a downer but I want to see you and you wife “live long and prosper”.
    If you can, go cold turkey, get help from your doctor, join a support group, whatever it takes.
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    Best wishes for your success. Jeanne

  • Ivy_B

    Good luck, saredh to you and your wife. It’s important for both of you to do it – if one does and the other doesn’t it is lots harder.
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    I cut back, then one night had too much to drink and way too many cigarettes. The next day by dinnertime I thought I was up for having a cigarette but said to myself you have gone this long, try not to have one. I never smoked again. The hardest thing I have ever done, but I’m really glad. It’s been over 20 years and early on there were some horrible days, but I got through it. If you really want to do it, you can too. Cutting back is a great way to start.
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    A friend, who still smokes, said she remembered Eisenhower being asked if he was going to smoke again after his heart attack. His response was, All I know is that I’ll never quit again. Me too!

  • Ivy_B

    sacredh that is, not saredh.

    Preview would be my friend if I could read.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I got only 6.
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    25%
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    That score for the military exam would have you listed as too dumb to serve.
    . :D
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    None of us should take this fun test to heart.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Wow, it’s nine hours after I got home and I can’t write clearly.
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    I am not a drinking man is what I meant to write.

  • Paul-no not that one

    I’ll pick up your slack sacred.

  • sacredh

    I had never smoked a tobacco cigarette until 10 years ago (or drank coffee). They go together so well. Nothing beats a good cup of coffee and a smoke. I’ve quit several times in the past but never for more than 12 weeks. I lost two pounds when I quit. I was doing really well when I quit for 12 weeks but then I broke a bone in my foot and wasn’t able to work outside. I got bored and started smoking again.
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    Thanks to both of you for the support. I’ve tried the patch and it made me queasy for some reason. If my wife and I do have to put money in the jar, we’ve decided that it won’t go for something we want. I suggested that we just throw it in the parking lot at Wal-Mart.

  • sacredh

    At least you didn’t call me Scardey and set me off again. ; )

  • sacredh

    Preview should be my friend too. I meant Scaredy.

  • michaelfury

    Try to keep your eyes open, “lifelong civilian”.

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/12/31/tho-much-is-taken-much-abides/

  • sacredh

    Pnnto, it never got below 50 last night and it’s 51 here now and raining. The temperature is supposed to drop steadily throughout the day and turn to snow flurries.
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    Really OT, but a couple of months ago I was cleaning out a closet and found a bag of Christmas gifts from last year. I put the ones out under the tree for everyone but my MIL. Last night I took the ones out for the MIL and gave them to her at midnight. I told her I loved her and bought her more stuff because she meant so much to me. She didn’t know what the f**k was going on. I kissed her cheek and gave her ear lobe a little nibble. The look on her face was priceless.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Sacred,
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    I’ve been smoking almost as soon as I moved out of my parents house twenty years ago.
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    For a few months in 2010, really bored with work slowing down I was averaging three packs a day rather than two.
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    I started to use spitless tobacco (don’t try the Marlboro spit less, it is disgusting) and it brought me back down to just under two packs.
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    If you’re dying for a nic fix, it can help, but, obviously, is not a long term solution.

  • apr2563

    I quit counting my mistakes. The sports questions were my down fall, as well as some I should have known.

  • rdw56

    Catholic charities are one of the oldest and most efficient of the charities. All of my united way donations thru the years were to catholic charities. Excluding donations to religious organizations is pure scam.

    reminds me of a great rummy story. back when we were assisting the indonesians after the tsuami some smuck at the UN commented Americans were stingy. At the time the USA was delivering 95% of the aid that was being delivered. The UN and EU had done nothing. Japan and Australia were next more active. The UN showed up and sent their ‘people’ to take over operations from the US Navy. They were going to coordinate operations. They showed up with stickers to stick on top of packages marked, “Donated by the USA”. They didn’t get to relable a single package. The Captain understanding the political nature ran it up the chain of command. Rummy told the Captain to order the UN off the ship and to arrest them if they interfered with US operations.

    Yeah, we’re cheap. That’s an example of blame america 1st liberals in operation. The internet is a problem isn’t it? WE were there all but alone. The UN was useless and it was all over Fox, Talk Radio, Youtube, etc.

    Here’s another problem for you patrick, those religious folk and their charities. They breed. There’s more of them all the time and their charities are more influencial. One example, If you did a search on PA HS sports you’d find for the last 15 years or so increasing dominance by catholic and other prep schools. They got very good a while ago developing trusts and other charity programs to support academic and athletic programs including state of the art facilities and scholarship programs. Small West Catholic just won it’s 1st state championship in football. Much of it’s funding comes from permanent trusts set up so 500 years from now West Catholic will still be going strong. PA has a rich history of private religious schools. They are virtually the only prep schools.

    Note this is also happening at the elementary school level. A quaker school not too far from me received a single $40M donation all but ensuring it’s permanence. The tax and inheritance laws are such the very wealthy are able to achieve some level of immortality and leave a real mark on society. Then there are many matching fund programs and other tax strategies at corporations designed to facilitate the transfer of wealth to useful institutions by the less wealthy. I know of one instance a director at verizon was able to convert $25K in stock options into over $100K in contributions with the gains on the stock and matching funds. This single lass was quite fond of her catholic elementary, high school and Immaculata College. She got a huge tax deduction. She was able to do it every year.

    If you had any idea of the amount of wealth in the hands of private religious organizations right now and being added each year you’d be sick.

  • carotexas1

    Wow, I need to read more than political stuff I have been reading since 2008.
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    I did put the steak and gravy first, but figured the chocolate wall was way up there.
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    Thank you Ivy that was fun and interesting.

  • apr2563

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/31/billy-the-kid-no-pardon_n_803012.html
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    Sad news for 2011. Governor Richardson won’t pardon Billy the Kid. He refused to donate a kidney.

  • 53_3

    9 out of 24. Meh…

  • 53_3

    Does ilikecowchips see everything upside down?

  • carotexas1

    Sacred, I landed in hospital in October for five weeks and decided that if I could last that long I would quit. I did not realise how hard that would be when I finally made it home. My first morning coffee I would have caved if I had any cigarette’s in the house. I finally remembered after a week I had some nicorettes from when I had tried to quit before. They have helped me but not the same. I think it is not so much the nicotine but the ritual, like when I have morning coffee I need that damn ciggarette!
    .
    Good luck with your cutting down.

  • sacredh

    Five cigarettes in five hours. Since I’m only up about 18 hours a day, I think it’s getting off to good start. I’m keeping my cigarettes upstairs on the desk in the dining room and my lighter in the upstairs game room. On the 15th I’m going to start keeping my cigarettes in the truck so that I have to go outside each time to get one. I think I’m going to suggest to my wife that we only keep one pack each in the house each day so that we’d have to drive the 2 and 1/2 miles to get more.

  • 53_3

    I quit 13 years ago, apr. My motivation was that my wife had CHF and I was just in lowzy, lowzy health.
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    I quit cold turkey, and dragged my wife through it as well. The people who claim that cigarettes are more addictive than heroin are simply spouting moneymaking bullsh!t.
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    It wasn’t easy, but my brother was hooked on H — and survived, so I pretty much know which is more addictive.
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    Go for it, keep it up, if you want to bad enough, you will quit!
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    It took my lungs about 8 years to recover, and I still have blebs, so do the Nike thing…

  • 53_3

    I missed that you were quitting too, but just keep trying, you’ll get it.
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    Remember, it’s a process

  • sacredh

    My wife just came down and said she’s only on her 4th! She said that if we have any left at midnight that we should crush them up and throw them in the garbage and open the next day’s pack. I don’t know about that. We agreed to 1 pack a day to start. I might want to smoke 2-3 if that’s what I have left before midnight. It should be easier for me because I work and we have to smoke outside. I don’t smoke nearly as much at work.

  • apr2563

    sacredh: Sounds like you have a good plan going. Stay away from coffee if you can and keep cigarettes away from phone access. Smoking is something connected with telephone talk and drinking coffee.
    It helps when you have an urge to take deep breaths.
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    Once you are totally off cigarettes, it takes about 5 days for your system to purge the nicotine which is the source of the craving. Then the rest is just a motor habit. Even now, after 21/2 years I sometimes find myself reaching for a cigarette. If you have smoked for sometime, think how many times you have reached for one. It has become an involuntary action.
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    You can do it!!!

  • sacredh

    apr2563, I’m safe on the phone part. I don’t think I’m on the phone an hour a month when I’m home. I got a cell phone for Christmas. I’ve used 1 minute on it so far. I called my wife to see if it was working. There’s a real bummer involved with quitting though. I just learned how to blow smoke rings this past October. I’m getting pretty good at it. I can move one eye at a time and when you combine that with a good smoke ring…it’s a show stopper.

  • apr2563

    Wow. I envy you the one eye movement. At 68 I finally learned to do a piercing whistle. Before I had a girlie, weak whistle. Maybe you could find another accompaniment to that moving eye. Let’s see. I have always admired people who can burp on command.

  • sacredh

    I can burp on demand. Not just little weak ones either. I can bring them up like the kind when you chug a half a can of pop. I can be looking to the far left with both eyes, bring the left eye all the way over and then do the same with the right eye. It’s not a marketable skill, but I’ve been responsible for more than one guy getting a really sh!tty job for the day because he busted out laughing during the morning safety meetings.

  • liberalmeltdown

    The article you cited goes on and on about how the IPCC CAN and DOES use “gray literature” in their findings, and so the arrogant Dr. Pachauri lies in the video. He makes a complete ass of himself by saying how they don’t “just pick up a newspaper and use it in their findings.” YET that’s exactly what they did.
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    Then you have Mary Nichols who chairs California’s air resource board, and who is using fake date from a guy that got his Phd online to destroy the trucking industry in California. She is nothing but another ideologue leftist, just like the “scientist” in the video. They cannot stand criticism and their science can’t be proven.
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    The fact that the left wants a crisis in order to force their agenda is shown by the constant cries of a forth coming disaster: Global cooling, overpopulation, global warming, and now “climate change.”
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    Here’s an example of how far the left will go to lie and use phony data to get their extreme agenda:
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    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/03/quote-of-the-week-unbelievable-hubris-from-carbs-mary-nichols/
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    The Orange County Register reported:

    Cover-up taints costly diesel policy

    A year ago, high officials of the California Air Resources Board learned that the author of a statistical study on diesel soot effects had falsified his academic credentials.

    The researcher, Hien Tran, acknowledged the deception and agreed to be demoted, but after his data were given another peer review, they remained the basis of highly controversial regulations that will cost owners of trucks, buses and other diesel-powered machinery millions of dollars to upgrade their engines. The Tran study concluded that diesel “particulate matter” was responsible for about 1,000 additional deaths each year.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Yeah that’s the typical liberal solution iv, if you don’t don’t like the message, suppress it, control it, censor it. A huge fan of the fairness doctrine no doubt.

    The great unwashed must be silenced.”
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    First, the fairness doctrine is not supported by a large percent of self-identified liberals.
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    I, for example do not.
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    Second, the fairness doctrine is the requirement that broadcast TV and radio stations give the same amount of time to both sides of an issue.
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    That would mean that after 15 minutes of Bill O’Rielly, a liberal would get 15 minutes to present the opposite side if and only if this on broadcast TV and not the internet or cable.
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    It would, also, mean that after 15 minutes of Rachel Maddow or Keith Olberman, a conservative would get 15 minutes.
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    This was far different.
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    It was a hope that lunatics online decided to behave themselves.
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    “My pearl of wisdom for the day: Suck on it!”
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    Also, requests for gay fellatio should stop.
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    Just because you like to suck on a man’s pearl for wisdom doesn’t mean that you’ll find anybody here who will.
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    Try Redstate for that. I heard Larry Craig and Ted Haggard are online there and would love to go to a men’s bathroom and do meth with you and suck on your pearls.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Ahh brother came over for the traditional New Years breakfast of Egg McMuffin and a hash brown.
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    Larry Sanders marathon on IFC and now watching the Big 10 (in this case Wisconsin) deliver its yearly January 1st self-immolation.
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    Congrats on your plan sacred and happy New Years to all.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Hien Tran, a research scientist at CARB, lied about obtaining a PhD from UC Davis. Tran holds a PhD from a distance learning program. This information came to light shortly before CARB implemented regulations related to diesel emissions in late 2009. Some of the information CARB used to develop the regulations originated in Tran’s research. However, many scientific and public health organizations still acknowledge the need to regulate diesel emissions. Don Anair of the Union of Concerned Scientists states that “There’s not an issue of whether [diesel emissions are] harming people.”
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    Sorry, psychiatric meltdown,
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    Although he lied about where he got his PhD, his work was confirmed.
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    Also, who wants to shut down anything?
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    Nobody.
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    Environmentalism is about tossing the costs back on the source of the pollution.
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    If you like diesel fumes so much, buy some fuel and burn it in your home for you and your family to enjoy. But I don’t want your fumes shoved UP MY NOSE.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    53,
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    I bet if you asked chips, he’d tell you that the McCain administration is doing great and that the sound defeat of Democrats in 2006 and 2008 were just icing on the cake.
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    Wingnuts don’t just want to have their own facts, they like to have their own reality, too.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    53_3,
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    I spent 2 1/2 hours reading through all of that at Israel Arrg and left some comments.
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    This time I didn’t, but, I notice somebody else referred to rdw56 as WD40, the lubricant.
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    I swear that guy is about 14 years old with tons of time on his hands.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks
  • Paul-no not that one

    PD-I thought the most frustrated I could get with you had peaked during the long health care process.
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    You have topped that. That looks incredible.
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    8 bleeping degrees here, but at least it’s windy. ugh.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Pat, do you like the idea of blood banks? You know those mobile buses that go around and people come TO THEM to donate blood. They save alot of lives, time, and pollution because people don’t have to drive as far to donate blood. Not to mention that many donate because of the publicity and convenience.
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    Well Mary Nichols will put the mobile blood banks out of business. So hundreds of thousand of blood donations are at risk. NO, they cannot have a waiver for those buses. Those buses kill people.

  • liberalmeltdown

    As for your “Memo to the media” it looks like the author stands by his report and that THE ORIGINAL article from which all the false information came. He says that here:
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    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=avI11vKKubvI
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    The 2035 date has already been subject to criticism amid claims it stemmed from a 1999 article in the New Scientist magazine, which the WWF report cited. Syed Iqbal Hasnain, the Indian researcher quoted in the New Scientist piece, told Bloomberg in a Jan. 19 interview that he was “misquoted.” The article’s author, Fred Pearce, said he stands by his report.

    “I stand by my report of what Hasnain told me 11 years ago,” Pearce said today in an e-mail. “I have been in touch with him since, including last week, and he has never complained to me about it.”

    The letter to Science said that the extent given for Himalayan glaciers in the IPCC report of 500,000 square kilometers may refer instead to the global total area of glaciers and ice caps because the Asian mountain range contains only about 33,000 square kilometers of glaciers.

    Another error identified by the researchers is the claim that Himalayan glaciers are receding faster than those elsewhere. The rate of retreat isn’t “exceptional,” they wrote, citing a study of melt from 2000 through 2005 by the World Glacier Monitoring service in Switzerland.

    ‘Entirely Wrong’

    The researchers said that rather than the New Scientist piece, the source of the 2035 date may be a transposition of numbers from a 1996 study that said the global extent of glaciers may shrink to 100,000 square kilometers by 2350.

    “This number is so entirely wrong” that it would entail raising the level at which summer temperatures are at freezing point from about 5,000 meters (16,000 feet) to the summit of Mount Everest, which stands at 8,850 meters, Kaser said. “That would require a warming of 18 degrees Celsius (32 Fahrenheit).”

  • sacredh

    PD, great pictures. I hope you don’t mind but they’re part of “My Pictures” now.
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    Pnnto, it’s 46 and falling here. The low will be 28. I went out between rain showers and took all of my outside Christmas lights down. About 5 minutes. They’re just alternating red and green floodlights but they look great. No ladders. No wind blowing icicle lights up on the roof. They were on timers. They came on at dusk and went off 8 hours later. With God as my witness, I will never hang lights again.

  • liberalmeltdown

    The false information goes back so far, that they can’t even pin down where is came from. At least 10 years.
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    The so called experts didn’t even realize that the report exaggerated the Himalayan glaciers from 33,000 sq km to 500,000 sq km. What a joke. You are an “expert” on climate and you don’t even know the basics enough to realize a mistake that ANY real expert on glacial ice would immediately see. And of COURSE it was subject to strict peer review. What BS. “We don’t just pick up a newspaper and use it in our findings.” OH YES YOU DO.
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    The insane diesel regulations the the California CAIR board is forcing on trucking companies will force them to purchase new vehicles by 2012. A new truck costs $150,000 to $250,000. No company that has a fleet of trucks can afford that. So, either the prices of transported goods will have to rise significantly or they won’t be any trucks allowed on California highways. Maybe Mexican fleets can take over.

  • Paul-no not that one

    You live a charmed life sacred-must be all your clean living!
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    We will take down our Christmas stuff tomorrow, and thus begins the next 3+ months of loooooong winter.
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    On the upside I am sitting here sipping beer and watching football and yet Scottish Eggs are being prepared in the kitchen.

  • carotexas1

    Lovely photos Paul D. My sister likes to snorkel at the Great Barrier Reef. She has been wanting me to go with her and I just may take her up on doing it next time I go to see her.
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    PNNTO I would love to see Minnesota in the spring, summer or fall, but I could not live anywhere it gets that cold for so long.

  • sacredh

    The last two weeks of January and the first two weeks of February are usually the worst of winter here. By the end of the first week of March we’re pretty good.
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    We’re takling down our inside Christmas decorations Monday. This is the first year since the early 80′s that I haven’t bought any new decorations for the following Christmas. A friend from Arizona did send me a nice set of 8 handblown eyeballs for the tree next year. Each eye has a different colored iris. One of our son’s friends from college bought us a small shrunken head ornament.

  • Paul-no not that one

    carotexas1-you are wise.
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    Summers are actually pretty nice, a lot of humidity which we love and the springs are always desperately welcome. Falls are a sign of worse days ahead. Heh I guess not for visitors though.
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    Sacred the eyeballs sound sort of cool-we don’t add at all, just whatever we are gifted when we have my family over. And those gift ornaments are nice, if pedestrian by comparison to shrunken heads.
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    Big (sic) 10 (sic) goes 0 fer 5 and is out scored by 102 points in one day. It’s like they are the 2010 Democratic candidates of the bowl season.

  • sacredh

    OT, but a few years ago one of our son’s friends that has worked on a couple of B (or C) horror movies gave us a snowglobe that has a little tape in the bottom like the kind that you can record messages on for an answering machine. There’s a man and woman seated at a piano with a Christmas tree next to it. It plays “Silent Night” for about a minute and then you hear a man and woman start shrieking, glass breaking and then a door slamming. You hear labored breathing for a few seconds and then that stops. It’s a conversation stopper.

  • sacredh

    The vast majority of our ornaments are traditional. Only about 50-60 (out of about a 1000) on the 9′ tree are unusual. You don’t even notice them unless you look closely. We have one of an elf wrapping a present and the paper is covered with little pentagrams. Another is a witch doctor holding a severed hand. One is Satan in a sleigh. One of my favorites is of Mrs. Claus bending over the oven taking a tray of cookies out and each cookie has a little marijuana leaf painted on it. You would never notice it if someone didn’t point it out.

  • Art Pepper

    liberalmeltdown: You are fixating on one incorrect statement from an IPCC report, out of how many peer-reviewed studies that conclude global warming is actually happening?
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    And your primary complaint about the IPCC report is still that it relied on a statement taken from a “newspaper” and not from peer-reviewed research.
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    So again: If the peer-reviewed literature is so reliable, why don’t you believe any of it?
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    If you want to discuss the process by which the IPCC reports are written, that’s one thing. You can find criticisms of the IPCC within the scientific community, too. But the IPCC is not where the basic science is happening.
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    And glaciers are retreating. http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=2573&from=rss_home

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “a lot of humidity which we love”
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    This must be a tundra-bred phenomenon. Don’t think I’ve ever met a person from a sane climate who would utter such heresy. In Florida, I’d want a shower by the time I reached my car in the driveway.
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    New Year’s bonus here–That TCU game was on! I’d stopped checking the listings over the years, as they’ve never shown college ball before.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “This must be a tundra-bred phenomenon”
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    Ha the “we” was the two of us. Most people here complain about the winters and then turn on their AC when the temp hits 70.
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    Our home’s motto is “never too hot, never too humid”*
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    Glad you could catch some football jc-sort of a touch of the states for the 1st (or 2nd). Also kudos on the O’s new first baseman Derek Lee.

    *Exception to prove the rule. Day game at Kauffman K.C. vs Toronto two years ago. 100+ temps and sitting in the sun. Literally too hot for beer, only water.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    rdw56,
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    I thought you were an atheist?
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    It would be very strange for an atheist to exclusively give to Catholic Charities.
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    But if you look at the article, all donations made by Americans was, in total 1.62% of GDP.
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    Democrats want people who make over $250k per year to pay 40% of their income.
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    Republicans want these same people combined with corporate sponsors to pay out 1.62% to charity.

  • liberalmeltdown

    More hope…that they arrest and prosecute ALL the frauds in the climate change scam.
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    http://www.europol.europa.eu/index.asp?page=news&news=pr101228.htm

    The Hague – The Netherlands.

    One year on from a Europol warning about an estimated 5 billion euros in damage for European taxpayers, caused by VAT-fraud within the EU Emission Trading System (ETS), law enforcement authorities around Europe continue to fight the criminal networks involved. In operations during 2010, several hundred offices all over Europe have been raided and more than 100 people arrested.
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    http://ncwatch.typepad.com/media/2010/12/mary-nichols-call-denmarks-autitor-general-carbs-carbon-trading-scheme-is-doomed.html
    Russ Steele

    Ignoring the facts, Mary Nichols at the California Air Resources Board continues to plunge forward to implement AB32′s carbon trading schemes. She takes this action even though that there is clear evidence that the carbon trading industry is rampant with fraud, and the price of carbon has dropped to a nickle per ton. Now we learn that more than $7 billion has been lost to carbon trading scam artists in Denmark.
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    Fraud, fake data, phony Phds, firing of scientists that disagree with the Global warming leftists, no wonder they scream about being questioned.

  • sacredh

    “You live a charmed life sacred-must be all your clean living!”
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    YES! I heard a crash a few minutes ago and went upstairs to see what it was. The MIL accidentally knocked a vase off a stand in the hallway and it broke into about 20 pieces. There’s no way it could be glued together and not look like a piece of garbage. I’ve had it for at least 25 years. I HATED it. It wasn’t my style at all. The only reason I never threw it away was because it was a gift. Both my wife and my MIL liked it so it stayed. I was tempted to throw my arms in the air and cheer. They both looked so dejected that I told them not to worry about it, that all I cared about was that neither of them got cut. I can get away with something major now. Oh happy day.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Now the OK-UConn game is on too! But so is this epic 580 minute trilogy [Link], which will likely occupy the remainder of my Sunday.
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    I like the addition of Lee.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “The insane diesel regulations the the California CAIR board is forcing on trucking companies will force them to purchase new vehicles by 2012. A new truck costs $150,000 to $250,000. No company that has a fleet of trucks can afford that. So, either the prices of transported goods will have to rise significantly or they won’t be any trucks allowed on California highways. Maybe Mexican fleets can take over.”
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    Sure those rich Mexicans can afford everything that America can not because their third cousin twice removed crossed the boarder illegally and is washing dishes in East LA.
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    $92,700.00

    New/Used: U
    Year: 2007
    Make: KENWORTH
    Model: W900L
    Location: Butler, PA
    Mileage: 450,000
    Type: CLASS 5 (GVW 16001 – 19500)
    Category: Conventional W-Sleep
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    http://www.commercialtrucktrader.com/find/listing/KENWORTH-W900L-97822099
    .

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “A major complaint against CARB’s AB 32 rules is the cost of the special equipment. Side skirts cost $2,000 to $4,000 when added to a bare trailer, and other fairings carry similar price tags. Any reasonable payback from fuel savings will take years for all but high-mileage trailers.”
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    http://www.truckinginfo.com/trucks-trailers/news-detail.asp?news_id=67843&news_category_id=67

  • liberalmeltdown

    It’s not just one incidence, it’s several. All the while the very same people that claimed that ALL the evidence has been carefully peer reviewed, have been shown to be lying. Yet they still claim that everything has been peer reviewed. That’s not true.
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    Scientists, like James Enstrom, a researcher with the UCLA School of Public Health are being fired for disagreeing with the research and showing that it is false.
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    http://www.pacificresearch.org/publications/carb-fakes-out-california
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    Yet you still have Mary Nichols in charge of CARB in spite of the fact that she knowing used data from a guy who lied about his credentials. She knew this guy committed fraud and yet she didn’t care. And, you think that we should believe these people?
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    I don’t think so. I think that they are scamming, lying opportunists out for power and out to make billions from a useless carbon trading hoax.
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    Mary Nichols has unlimited power to force pollution regulations to the point that the Red Cross Blood Bank buses will be banned from California. If that makes sense to you, then you need a reality check.
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    The Red Cross saves lives. Mary Nichols is a political hack who abuses her power.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    The bloodmobile needs up to $4,000.
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    Obviously your church and/or private charities are too cheap and do not care about blood donation to donate the money.
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    So, if you guys are too cheap to put out $4,000, I bet they won’t be collecting much blood, either.

  • stuartzechman

    Hey, patricksartor, you there?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    It’s unbelievable how you find sources that take things out of context and make them into huge fake issues.
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    Yes, that one man, Tran, should have been and was fired.
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    Case closed!
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    It’s people like you who lie about climate change who belong in jail.
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    You wish to ruin our children’s future to save truckers $2,000 each.
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  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    How ya doin?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Stuart,
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    Anything in particular, or just wishing me a happy New Year.
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    (Maybe you are still typing, copying and pasting as I type.)

  • sacredh

    It just keeps getting better. I insisted on cleaning up the shards myself and put them in the trash can. I walked down the hall with my head bowed and my shoulders slumped. My wife just came down and told me she knew how much I liked the vase. I never said any such thing. The only reason it was even there to begin with was because I kept pencils and stuff in it. From the 1st day my wife moved in I told her we should put something of hers on the stand. She liked it. I didn’t. It stayed. She’s all happy that I didn’t yell at her mother. Her mom’s happy that I didn’t make a fuss about it (and she feels guilty). I’m happy that piece of crap is gone. Some days are just better than others.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “VAT tax fraud – dubbed by the mainstream media as ‘carousel fraud’ or ‘missing-trader fraud’ – has been troubling the carbon trading industry for a few years. The scam involves setting up a trading account within one national carbon registry with which to buy and sell carbon credits within the EU Emissions Trading Scheme (EU ETS). Carbon credits are purchased from another country, as cross-national trades do not face VAT tax. The credits are then sold on in the country where the account is registered, with VAT added. But instead of paying the VAT to the tax authorities, the traders keep it as profit made on the transaction before disappearing into the ether. Bloomberg New Energy Finance have estimated that the fraud affected 7 per cent of the $125bn carbon market in the EU throughout 2009, with Europol (the EU-wide law enforcement agency) announcing a loss of 5bn euros for European governments in the 18 months leading up to December 2009. ”
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    http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=3676
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    The “Fraud” was that carbon brokers were not paying the Value Added Tax when credits crossed international borders.
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    This is not about the credits themselves being fraudulent.
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    Your overwhelming desire to distort everyting is sickening, Meltdown.

  • sacredh

    patrick, get comfortable and something to drink. I’m guessing it’s something in particular.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I’m watching the movie The Fourth Kind and checking in.
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    Another very minor advantage to being single: I pause the movie at any random time I feel like.
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    OTOH absolutely every advantage of being single I view as very minor.

  • sacredh

    It’s not a bad movie. We watched it a few months ago. There’s really only two things I miss about being single. Quiet and money. I had a good deal of both back then with the emphasis on back then.

  • sacredh

    SZ must be preparing a hum dinger of a post. I had hoped to watch a movie with my better half tonight but she’s watching splatter movies that I can’t stomach. She’s got the surround sound on. I can hear the creams from down here. I’m curious to see what SZ is going to post but it will have to wait until morning.

  • sacredh

    SZ must be preparing a hum dinger of a post. I had hoped to watch a movie with my better half tonight but she’s watching splatter movies that I can’t stomach. She’s got the surround sound on. I can hear the screams from down here. I’m curious to see what SZ is going to post but it will have to wait until morning.

  • sacredh

    Correction just a hair too late. Submit button hell.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    One huge advantage to being online: nothing needs to be in real time.
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    I could check in nine hours from now and that would be okay.
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    Maybe, god forbid, real life interfered with Stuart for a moment. (Note sarcasm – real life is more important than the swamp, of course).

  • http://grapemusing.blogspot.com/ grape_crush

    A (belated) Merry New Year to you all!

  • stuartzechman

    patricksartor:
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    Check this out.

    I tooks a post from our commentary and put it up at FDL so Jay Acroyd could link to it.
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    Ian Welsh response, and the conversation is great, just like here, but with a more leftist romantic vs intellectual edge.

    Then Jay emails me this great analysis over at Open Left:

    http://www.openleft.com/showQuickHit.do?quickHitId=15758

    It’s fantastic. These ideas are really getting out there. It’s not just me anymore making this case.

    Thanks Glacier for focusing attention on he Brits
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    This will be a long comment, related to your post but going much deeper. Forgive me perhaps, for hijacking your thread, but this screed has been floating around my brain all week and this seemed like a good place to park it.
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    The thing about Britain is that their debate is closer to the real meat and potatoes of what this argument is all about. Ours is frustratingly diverted into “Like or Dislike Obama” or “Is the Tea Party Racist” and other tangential questions.
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    Britain makes it clear: it’s really about social democracy vs. neoliberalism.
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    It is important that an Open Left understand this. This is the debate that is barely allowed to be mentioned on our side of the pond but it’s the crucial distinction.
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    When Paul Krugman argues for Keynesianism he’s taking the social democratic side of this argument. But he’s not allowed to say so, or at least not willing.
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    The mistake of our side in the past period was in not understanding how strongly our opponents believed in the other side of this argument. It was indeed their central rationale. It wasn’t “just politics”. ..

    Read the whole comment for another take on what’s really confronting us, you’ll enjoy it after weeks and weeks of getting familiar with terms like “Third Way” and “New Democrats”.

  • stuartzechman

    Here’s the link to the wild conversation at Ian Welsh’s.
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    He said I was wrong, that I had forgotten about “evil”.
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    Obviously I’ve got to go make may case, right?
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    http://www.ianwelsh.net/centrists-dont-want-to-the-do-the-right-thing/

  • stuartzechman

    The “humdinger” is here: http://www.ianwelsh.net/centrists-dont-want-to-the-do-the-right-thing/#comment-12925

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    I did a word count in MS Word, and it’s over 3,300

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Scientists, like James Enstrom, a researcher with the UCLA School of Public Health are being fired for disagreeing with the research and showing that it is false.”
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    Google James Enstrom.
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    “Enstrom is a controversial figure who has accepted funding from the Philip Morris tobacco company and the Center for Indoor Air Research (a tobacco industry front group), and subsequently published research that contradicted scientific consensus about the health effects of secondhand tobacco smoke, also known as environmental tobacco smoke, or ETS. [1]

    Tobacco companies have used Enstrom’s work to help confuse the public about the causative link between tobacco smoke and disease. For example, a 1992 British American Tobacco (BAT) handbook titled Smoking Issues Claims and Responses counsels BAT employees to publicly deny that smoking causes lung cancer, claiming that statistics have failed to be conclusive on the question. The manual cites Enstrom as one of the “eminent scientists” who has “questioned the evidence on smoking and lung cancer because of its many inconsistencies.”
    ….
    .On June 12, 2006, the Integrity in Science Project (which investigates and publicizes conflicts of interest and other potentially destructive influences of industry-sponsored science), on its web site published an electronic newsletter, Integrity in Science Watch, which included an article about Enstrom titled Tobacco Scientist Moves on to Particular Matter. The article said “The Electrical Power Research Institute hired James E. Enstrom of the University of California at Los Angeles to analyze 30 years of air pollution data. His recently published analysis, which showed PM [particulate matter] had no effect on mortality after the initial ten years of the study, is now being used by industry trade groups…in arguing against a tighter PM standard. Enstrom’s study, published in Inhalation Technology, was subsequently questioned in the same journal by Bert Brunekreef, a highly-regarded professor of environmental health at Utrecht University in the Netherlands.” [10] The Integrity in Science Project is a project of the Center for Science in the Public Interest.

    Enstrom has started a website, Scientific Integrity Institute, to defend his research and respond to criticisms of it. ”
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    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=James_E._Enstrom
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    Enstom is the academic equivalent to a whore.
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    You know that many, many people would love to believe that pollution is not a problem and that cigarettes are health food, but, it, simply, is not true at all.

  • 53_3

    Liberalmeltdown:
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    This doesn’t have anything to do with Global Warming.
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    These are economic and legal issues.
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    They don’t impinge on data at all…

  • sacredh

    SZ, first off I want to say that I agree with most of what you say. The second is that I honestly don’t think much of it is attainable. Why do I think that? Because the problem is that we (you) would have to educate people that have zero interest in being educated. I wouldn’t say that most people are stupid, I would say that they are ignorant because remaining ignorant is much easier than expending the time and effort required to really understand what policy means and what the impact will be down the road.
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    I look around and I see education and intellectualism being regarded more like the threat that Mao Tse Tung envisioned than as the device required to move society forward. It’s not the political junkies that need to be convinced, it’s the true “vast majority” that don’t read. It’s the vast majority that are more concerned with who wins on DWTS. It’s the people that resent people that are smarter than them. It’s the people that think a clown like Palin would make things better because “she thinks like us”. Good luck with that.
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    The left doesn’t have the media impact that the right does. Jon Stewart comes close but he doen’t get anywhere near the kind of numbers that Fox does. He is already preaching to the choir. It’s not the choir that needs to be convinced, it’s the congregation. The right is brilliant when it comes to manipulation. They have convinced people that have next to nothing that their only hope is blind support of the true elites. Most people will never be millionaires and leave estates. Most people will never be in the tax brackets that even require estate planning. What estates? A modest house with a mortage and a 6 year old car? $3,000 in a savings account? Yet the right has managed to convince the ordinary workers that any hope they have is dependent on the ruling class continuing to rape the country and transfer the wealth to themselves.
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    I wish I had your optimism that things can change. I don’t. Obama has disappointed me greatly. 30 years ago he would have been Reagan. The right wingers control the message and the message sounds like what the average person wants to hear. It isn’t in their best interests by any stretch of the imagination and yet they’ve been convinced that it is. The public option would have been a great benefit to the average person and yet the average person hears “Death Panels” and socialism. It’s like a doctor lecturing a patient that a balanced diet, exercise, quitting smoking and limited alcohol intake is the key to a healthy life but that you can have a drink and eat chocolate once in a while and the person only hearing that alcohol and chocolate are OK.
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    A war in the democratic party is probably what we need. I just don’t see short term defeats as the way to insure long term gains and benefit. I see it as a way that the right just consolidates power. I think we’re screwed no matter what. We’re postponing the abrupt decline, not laying the groundwork for long term success.

  • sacredh

    That’s probably the longest post I’ve ever made. We’re leaving in 90 minutes so I probably won’t be back until evening sometime.

  • newfreedomblog

    The only thing I will say is, it is refreshing the comments on Ian Welsh’s site are just as bewildered and confused with stuart’s identity crisis and need to label everything except the fat lady’s white poodle, as I am.
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    I just wonder why we can’t just simply say “those on the left, right and center”. Or, Conservative, Liberal, and I’ll even give in to Centrist, however I believe Moderate is much more descriptive term or label.
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    You need a movement like the Tea Party, stuart. But, I would highly recommend you keep it simple. Stick to basic words and slogans the average person can comprehend. With definitions of those labels so everyone remains on the same page.
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    But, after reading all of that crap written, you are truly not that far off or different than what the Tea Party has been saying for the past year. With the exception of your progressive, social justice ideas, the rest is covered under what most of us in the Tea Party want to see happen. We are fighting to Centrist or Moderates just as much as you are, but the differences come down to individual responsibility versus social justice as it is represented by the collective.
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    The Tea Party is against welfare for the rich. Bailouts to Car Companies, Banks, and Wall Street.
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    The Tea Party is against a bloated and ineffective Federal Government and believes governance should go back to the average person in America. The middle class. Let the majority rule as to how laws are enacted, not special interest groups or lobbyists. That our tax laws should be made simple, and the pain of paying for all of our government services should be spread evenly. That all special exemptions should be eliminated and everyone pays a flat tax across the board based on the amount of money they made during any given year.
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    That Wars should be fought only when the aggressor has taken steps to threaten our own way of life. If attacked we should fight against our aggressors to protect our own people.
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    I think in time, you might even convince most Tea Party members to go for a “public option” so long as that idea is promoted as a free market option. That people could pay into an insurance plan which is non-profit so long as they met the requirements set forth based on their ability to pay, not their choice to be dependent on the government or other people to pay their way for them. But, that is where we begin to differ. I believe people should be individually responsible, and that is summed up in however they themselves can achieve that goal. In other words, find the means to save themselves. You as a progressive believe we are all in the same boat, therefore we should all pay into it in order to save as many as possible before the boat eventually sinks anyways.
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    Perhaps one day the ideological extremes will give up their ideological extremist ideas, and look at how much we have in common and work from there. That will be the only way we beat those in the middle.

  • newfreedomblog

    Thanks liberalmeltdown for bringing us additional resources to further expose the fake and fraudulent scheme to increase our energy costs through the equally known to be farce of Climate Change.
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    Perhaps they will come up with another computer model in order to better define carbon credits with the average temperature changes which are not happening. Perhaps with solid data they can once and for all show that global warming and climate change is no different than it has been for the past million or so plus years.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Perhaps with solid data they can once and for all show that global warming and climate change is no different than it has been for the past million or so plus years.”
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    Yeah, you should expect those facts delivered to you by the tooth heterosexual – previously known as the the tooth fairy, but, now, to appease conservatives calls himself the tooth heterosexual.
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    (You do have to wonder about the sexual proclivities of a person who loves children’s teeth.)
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    Enjoy your fictional world Rusty… preferably offline.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Stuart,
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    I will catch up with all of the details and read all of what you sent, but, it is time consuming.
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    Don’t take the fact that I am taking my time to read it to mean that I am not happy that you linked it.
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    Sacred,
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    I don’t want to overstate this case since, among other things, it would make sound like a true snob, but, I believe that, because of region, Stuart and I (about ten miles away from what I understand) live in nearly the opposite end of the spectrum than you do for attitudes towards knowledge and learning.
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    Let me make it clear that there are tons of business people who don’t vote, many (but here not a clear majority) who vote conservative and a good number of people who don’t have the time or inclination to learn about politics and, my Ohio relatives are a retired stock broker with an MBA from Columbia, his wife, a psychiatric nurse and their children, a pediatrician and a psychologist. So, you can find many exceptions on both sides.
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    But, New York, like other major cities and most suburbs, education is extremely respected. In Boston (where I lived for 15 years) most of the American born cab drivers had four year degrees even (dexterity, good reflexes, a high stress tolerance are what you need for cab driving – not one hour of education beyond, say, the 6th grade to read and write). So, here the most educated and, far more important, experts on topics are held in high esteem while “good ole common sense” (meaning that your average dishwasher can figure out Einstein’s theory of relativity as easily as a PhD physicist – which, BTW, is way beyond me) doesn’t carry any weight.
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    Rusty,
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    Let me thank you for writing a non-combative post for a change. It is very refreshing.
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    That said, I see what Stuart wishes for and what you wish for as polar opposites.
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    You advocate rule by feel good random guesses. All else being equal, we’d all love to pay $0 in tax no matter how much we earn. We’d all love to drive any vehicle we choose (I have no use for one for a variety of reasons but I would love to have an RV especially if I had kids – what a fun drive).
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    Progressives believe in government for the people but by people when we self educated and learn and accept that government is about trade offs.
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    None of these facts are things you can teach your sons or daughters while they sit on your lap watching kids shows with you when they are five years old. These are abstract and require faith in the sciences including, but, not exclusively, economics.
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    Also, in reality, the Tea Party is giving away everything to the economic elites since the economic elites have the proverbial Madison avenue (now advertisers are all over Manhattan as well as around the country) to make their case in nice, thirty second sound bites while climate change, among other things, require 90 minute lectures.
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    Once again, it is refreshing to see that you are being non-hostile. But, I could hardly disagree with you more.
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    Your goals and Stuart’s are going the polar opposite directions except, perhaps, that you both want to pay off the federal debt.

  • 53_3

    Well, he fully admits to substituting ignorance for thought, and he admitted he lets his ideology (FOX) do his thinking for him. Very, very odd.
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    We managed to at least put a bounding box around him, since his dodges are clearly evasions (congress should pass laws, “in the capable hands of Scalia and Roberts” amongst them).
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    I am convinced rdw56 is a hard core oligarch, and knows that individual freedoms can be curtailed by corporations, but doesn’t want to admit that he is fine with that.
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    At least with government, you can vote them out. Not so with corporate bean counters deciding whether you live or die, or whether you can have full access for your business.
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    He, like sasquatch08, thinks that “caveat emptor” are the kind of words someone would mouth while charging that pillbox on the hill in the face of withering gunfire.
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    Not sorry at all to say, but patriotism and the free market are two completely different things.
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    My country? Yes, I’d lay my life down for her.
    Corporate interests? Hell no! I wouldn’t lift my little finger for them. Absolutely NOT…

  • 53_3

    Try making a house rule that you both smoke outside. Good luck, sacred. It can be done…

  • 53_3

    Sorry, your wish is decidedly not granted, rusty.
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    The data will continue to show that spike corresponding to the stochastic rise in pollutants attributable to the powering up of the industrial revolution.
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    The top few hundred feet of the icecaps and sedimentary deposits are among the easiest data sources to access.
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    Unfortunately for you, they don’t lie like FOX…

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Stuart,
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    I’m about halfway through this.
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    I need to go get some coffee. It’s a long read.
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    OTOH, I spent 2 1/2 hours on the Israel Arrg post with rdw56 making no sound argument at all.
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    Even though it is a big use of time, it is not a waste of time.
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    I, also, read the entire Glenn Greenwald’s piece on left racism. Not fighting against welfare reform is a classic example. I saw all along (15 years ago) that the underlying theme was that conservative whites were sure that this pocket change people got on welfare was enough to make those lazy people of color willing to stay home and do nothing – like something right out of the KKK handbook.
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    Also, on that note, 1960s white anti-war music isn’t going to add much to the experience for blacks and Latinos of the hip-hop generation at anti-Iraq War rallies.
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    Excellent piece.
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    Also, we agree that nobody WANTS high unemployment. It makes labor cheaper, but, to sell to fewer and fewer people businesses need to drop prices even lower so that the savings of cheap labor are eaten by low prices.
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    Another note: Texas, Georgia and Arkansas are right to fire (AKA right to work) states and the home states of the previous three Democratic presidents before Obama (Clinton, Carter and Johnson).
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    So, these people are far more prone to believing that unions increase the likelihood of a business going out of business (proven false) stifling a company’s growth (proven false) or injuring their long term profitability (proven false).
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    In reality, unions have been known to do one harmful thing: give CEOs ulcers. A CEO, like any business manager is not a president but a dictator or a general completely unaccustomed to having their decisions questioned or acted against. Therefore, a union existing of almost always the very lowest paid workers is a thorn in their side. However, the increased wages is counterbalanced by extreme longevity in unionized jobs where five to ten times as long on the job results in workmanship worth double the wages.
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    Third way is only reluctantly pro-union. At least in theory, with Illinois being a state with many unionized workers (especially Chicago) Obama may – may – prove to be an exception.
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    I’ll get back to you.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    You do an excellent job of summarizing here what liberals can do to have our own equivalent to the Tea Party:
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    “1) influencing the political press corps, as movement conservatives have

    2) creating media, as movement conservatives have

    3) identifying the New Democrats and their Third Way ideology to fellow movement liberals, by assembling information resources and creating communications opportunities (if that sounds nebulous, I’ll go into greater detail later)

    4) breaking the hold of New Democrats over the national Democratic Party through local campaigns for Congressional seats

    5) getting really f-cking clear on what we believe and who we are, which means working on eliminating “Benevolent Democrat” ( http://www.correntewire.com/new_benevolent_democrats ) sentiments, statist-when-it’s-your-party sentiments, pure partisan tribalism, pure personality loyalism and identity politics, and other destructive, counter-productive forces from movement liberalism, and coalescing around a core, recognizable ideological identity.”
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    This looks like a plan.

  • 53_3

    I’d like to present the point of view of at least one of those “victory-lappers” – namely myself.
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    I’ll start with my observations of what has happened. There may or may not be agreement on everything I state, but it lays out the landscape for this event to run in:
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    When I voted for Obama, I personally hoped that he could, in fact, deliver what he promised. He had the votes to do it, and got off to a good start.
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    However, I think Obama’s penchant for compromise got him in hot water. He should have instituted the Public Option and dared the GOP to filibuster. He had the political capital and he had the American people behind him.
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    Instead, he became too fearful of the GOPs rhetoric and made the mistake of setting 60 votes as the standard for pretty much all legislation – which led to hangups and unsavory changes that eventually resulted in HCR that has a lot of baggage.
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    His protracted reliance on the 60-vote standard made him look weak and vacillating. A lot of opportunities to make real reforms “facts on the ground” were wasted.
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    Before the 2010 elections, we were left with a legacy that led to the fracturing of the Democratic party and the loss of vision about just where this country should go. In short, compromise gave birth to mediocrity.
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    Now FF past the elections:
    The loss of a clear vision cost us the advantages we had to give this country a new direction. Those dreams are now done, and over with.
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    Regardless of my sentiments and yours, this is now a new fact on the ground that none of us can erase. We will not be able to erase the Citizens United vs. the FEC decision, nor will we be able to do anything much in the way of the grand reforms that I had hoped for when Obama took office.
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    I’m no ideologue, so I don’t abide by this way, that way, or the “Third Way”. I don’t really care about such things. I’m personally very unhappy that the window has closed, and barring a severe double-dip, I don’t think that that window will reopen again.
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    We’ve compromised with hostage takers too much.
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    So now what?
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    Personally, I have to settle for half of this, and a third of that. I personally do not feel connected to any of the decision making processes now extant – whatever their ideological pedigree.
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    I only have two choices:
    1. Pin my hopes on Obama, despite my disappointment.
    2. Tear Obama down to the ground and rail against all that has happened.
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    Choice number two will not help at all. The facts on the ground are that hope for any real progress is on hold at best, or a moderately fast slide toward oligarchy is in the cards, at worst.
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    Therefore, when I get a half a loaf, such as the current HCR package, I will use it to the best benefit to me that i can. The tax package? I’ve pointed out how I feel about that, too.
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    The point is that right now, there is no groundswell for real reform in any aspect of American life, and I am, for want of anything better in the future, are willing to embrace Obama’s current resurgence, and the fact that we got a portion of what we wanted.
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    As for any viable candidate in the near future that can approach Obama, I see none on the horizon.
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    I take what I can get, and I still hold out hope that Obama will change his approach when he confronts the outrageous intransigence of the House.
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    The post just above this one regarding the Debt ceiling is a case in point and I’m hoping that Obama doesn’t give away the game to get a goal…

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I feel like I did when I was a kid a couple of times when I got my picture in the town newspaper and, again, as teenager when my approximately 1,000 student high school quoted me in the high school newspaper.
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    “There’s a silent majority out there that’s a ready-made base for another new deal. All our money, all our energy, should be directed at them, not the likes of Patrick Sartor. ”
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    LOL
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    I’m not totally sure of who people think I am, but, I was a cab diver five years in Boston and three years in NYC.
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    In Boston I was not the only American born cab driver to go to college, but, instead I was (then 15 to 20 years younger than the average cabbie) one of the few who didn’t finish.
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    I guess Anon is calling me a bright and informed man, but, white collar work is new to me.
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    Before having to try to work my way through college, I grew up about two or three miles from where Ann Coulter (ten years older than I am) and about five miles away from William F, Buckley’s primary residence – about 45 years older than I am).
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    So I am familiar with being almost exclusively a non-union blue collar worker in my adult life and having been surrounded by elite conservatives during my childhood (but neither Buckley nor Coulter personally, of course).
    .
    I feel mildly famous. :D

  • RichinNJ

    Chris Christie is cleaning up NJ by increases taxes on the middle class, particularly senior citizens, while lowering taxes on the affluent;; by forfeiting $400m in education funds with his Administration’s negligence and then lying about it; and by being AWOL during a massive blizzard and then failing to take responsibility for residents being stranded in their homes?

    Why is the MSM willfully blind to this clown’s incompetence and bad behavior?

  • liberalmeltdown

    47.4 newfreedom, this is a great site. Check out the powerpoint slides. Lots of info on the mistakes in the “science” of global warming and how marketing as “climate change” is not science. It’s marketing.
    .

    http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2010/01/catastrophe-denied-the-science-of-the-skeptics-position.html

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    It took some detective work but I found your source:
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    “Who is fueling new Climate Sceptics political party?
    Witness the birth of The Climate Sceptics, Australia’s newest political party. Aren’t we truly the lucky country? They bill themselves as

    “The World’s first up front political party representing climate sceptics”
    [....]
    Forth time lucky’s president, Leon Ashby, used to run the The Australian Environment Foundation, a front group founded by the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA), a conservative Melbourne-based think tank, according to Sourcewatch.”
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    Exxon funding

    Greenpeace’s ExxonSecrets website lists Heartland as having received $676,500 (unadjusted for inflation) from ExxonMobil between 1998 and 2006.[40] (As mentioned above, Heartland insist that Exxon has not contributed to the group since 2006.)[27]

    Contributions include:

    * $30,000 in 1998;
    * $115,000 in 2000;
    * $90,000 in 2001;
    * $15,000 in 2002;
    * $85,000 for General Operating Support and $7,500 for their 19th Anniversary Benefit Dinner in 2003;
    * $85,000 for General Operating Support and $15,000 for Climate Change Efforts in 2004; and
    * $119,000 in 2005; and
    * $115,000 in 2006.
    [...]
    According to a 1995 internal report by Philip Morris USA (PM) on its corporate contributions budget, the company uses its contributions “as a strategic tool to promote our overall business objectives and to advance our government affairs agenda,” in particular by supporting “the work of free market ‘think tanks’ and other public policy groups whose philosophy is consistent with our point of view. … [W]e have given general support over the years to such groups as the Heritage Foundation, Heartland Institute, Americans for Tax Reform, Citizens for a Sound Economy, Washington Legal Foundation and a variety of other organizations that help provide information about the ultimate course of legislation, regulation and public opinion through their studies, papers, op-ed pieces and conferences.”[9]

    Internal company documents show the following contributions from PM to Heartland (which is probably an incomplete list):

    * $25,000 in 1993[10]
    * $65,000 in 1995[11]
    * $50,000 in 1996[12]
    * $50,000 in 1997[13]
    * $50,000 in 1998 (proposed)[14][15]”
    .
    “The Australian Environment Foundation is a front group founded by the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA), a conservative Melbourne-based think tank.”
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    “The Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) is a right-wing, corporate funded think tank based in Melbourne. It has close links to the Liberal Party of Australia, with its Executive Director John Roskam having run for Liberal Party preselection for a number of elections. Following the 2007 federal election defeat for the Liberal Party, ”
    [...]
    The IPA has heavily relied on funding from a small number of conservative corporations. Those funders disclosed by the IPA to journalists and media organisations include:

    * Major mining companies – BHP-Billiton and Western Mining Corporation;
    * Pesticides/Genetically modified organisms: Monsanto; and
    * A range of other companies including communications company Telstra, Clough Engineering, Visy, and News Limited;
    * Tobacco companies – Philip Morris (Nahan) and British American Tobacco [6]
    * Oil and gas companies: Caltex, Esso Australia (a subsidiary of Exxon) and Shell [www.ips.org] and Woodside Petroleum; and fifteen major companies in the electricity industry; (Nahan 2)
    * Forestry: Gunns, the largest logging company in Tasmania; (Nahan 3)
    * Murray Irrigation Ltd – a major irrigation company contributed $40,000.[7]”
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    Wow, psychiatric meltdown!
    .
    You don’t mean to tell me that oil companies don’t believe in Climate Change, do you?
    .
    Oil companies wouldn’t pay people to lie, would they?
    .
    This is the same organization which got hired by cigarette companies and we all know that cigarette companies don’t lie!
    .
    So, now that your children are nine and ten years old, Meltdown, isn’t it time you introduced them to the rich, smooth taste of Pall Malls?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Sorry, here’s the link:
    .
    http://globalwarmingwatch.blogspot.com/2009/02/who-is-fueling-new-climate-sceptics.html
    .
    You can navigate to the other quotes from here.

  • sacredh

    patrick, the anti-intellectual comment I made could easily apply to the specific area that I live in, but I was referring to a national trend. It hasn’t been that long ago when Palin made fun of a woman that asked her a question because she was a teacher. Fox has a large following and there are no areas of the country that are free of it’s influence. The attitude from Fox regarding climate change is a great example. 90% of climatologists agree that it is happening? Big deal. 10% don’t so let’s believe the 10% because that means we don’t have to do anything.
    .
    Whenever you have a major network that continuously pumps out propaganda disguised as news, it’s not surprising that many people will believe opinion and reject fact. Look at Joe the semi-Plumber. McCain and Palin fell all over themselves trying to promote him as a voice of the people even when he proved himself to be about as bad of an example as you could possibly imagine.
    .
    I’m not denying at all that many people hold educators and intellectual achievement in high regard, I’m saying that probably just as many do not. About half the people in the country believe in ghosts. O’Donnel got over a third of the vote in her state. I still believe the trend is toward the most common denominator and not toward the best prepared to lead.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Reply to 30.16
    .
    You show once again that you don’t know what you are talking about. Your further comments show that you care more about politics than a non profit organization like a Blood Bank being put out of business.
    .
    It won’t be a few thousand dollars as you claim. In fact if you spent that money it’s just a waste and would only buy a few years. ALL diesel trucks and diesel engines are to be replaced with NEW ENGINES for owner-operators and trucking companies in California by 2014. The cost of a NEW truck is about $200,000 each. The cost of a new engine is $40,000.
    .
    http://www.highdesert.com/news/california-9695-desertdispatch-diesel-fuming.html

    Sauls called the retrofit a “Band-Aid” for the trucks and said that it would cost between $8,000 and $20,000.

    “You’re really only buying a few more years for your equipment,” said Sauls.

    She said that all trucks older than 2010 will eventually have to be replaced at a cost of $80,000 to $250,000 each to the company owner.

    Tom Loeffler of Rosamond said he just had his engine for his 1999 truck rebuilt for about $20,000 and will lose that money when he has to retire his truck and purchase a new one.

    “I think [California Air Resources Board] is being unfair,” said Loeffler Thursday at Love’s Travel Stop in Barstow. “They don’t care who they send to the poor house.”

    Another trucker passing through Barstow said that he might be put out of business by the new regulations because he is an owner-operator.

    “[The Air Resources Board is] going to hurt the owner-operators,” said Guillermo Zubia.

    Sauls said that another problem with the regulations is that owners who want to replace their trucks will be unable to sell their old trucks within the state because of the regulations.

    “Imagine you have to buy a new home because you were told you have to, but you aren’t allowed to sell your old home in order to purchase the new home,” said Sauls.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    From your article:
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    “The California Air Resources Board plans to require almost all trucks that are operated within the state to upgrade their emissions by 2022.
    [...]
    The oldest trucks will have to be replaced or upgraded first based on a timetable.The California Air Resources Board put the regulations in place because it has a goal to reduce the diesel emissions level by 85 percent by 2020, said Caesar.”
    .
    Correction: trucks will be replaced by more efficient ones ten to twelve years from now when the trucks owned today will be too old and worn out to be drivable.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    From 3.15:
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    “Make: KENWORTH
    Model: W900L
    Location: Butler, PA
    Mileage: 450,000″
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    450,000 miles/4 years = 112,500 miles per year
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    Trucks must be replaced in ten to twelve years.
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    10 years X 112,500 miles/year = 1,125,000 miles
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    12 years X 112,500 miles/year = 1,375,000 miles.
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    The trucks will be worn into the ground by 2022.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Here’s hoping you get a brain in 2011:
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    http://www.truckline.com/Newsroom/White%20Papers/CA%20Environmetnal%20Regulations%20Affecting%20Truck%20Operations.pdf
    .

    By 2012, trucks with 2004 MY engines will need to
    be retrofit with DPFs. By 2013, trucks with 2005-06
    MY engines will need to be retrofit with DPFs. By
    2014, all drayage trucks must be equipped with
    engines meeting 2007 standards, or equivalent, in
    order to be dispatched. From 2014 – 2023, all drayage
    trucks must meet 2010 engine standards or equivalent.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Not all trucks are cross country haulers Pat. So you have some that range from 10,000 to 100,000 miles a year. Since a diesel engine can last 600,000 miles…
    .
    10,000 miles x 60 years = 600,000
    20,000 miles x 30 years = 600,000
    .
    It takes a long time for a owner operator to pay off a $150,000 rig. It’s like a house payment. If he can’t sell it and can’t use in California, he’s out of business.
    .
    So if you purchased a truck in 2006 and you’re a short hauler, in three years 2014, you have to shell out another $40,000. While your rig still has 22 years or more left on the engine life, and you are still paying for the truck.
    .
    Who is to say that Mary Nichols won’t get her panties in a bunch and make new rules up four years later.
    .
    In California that would be my bet.
    .

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I know from owning a taxi that urban taxis drive between 1,000 miles and 2,000 miles per week.
    .
    “There are those making good money with a truck driving career. But what is good money? The facts are, experienced truck drivers average between $30,000 and $35,000 per year as a company driver ( and that’s with a decent company). New, inexperienced company drivers are averaging $20,000 -$25,000 per year, ( based on 48 weeks @.21-.27 cpm @ 2000/ mpw.)”
    .
    http://www.askthetrucker.com/truck-driving-jobs-for-100000-per-year/
    .
    So, once again, trucks are, on average, driven 2,000 miles per week or more and 48 weeks per year or more.
    .
    So, 1,000,000 miles/100,000 miles /year = 10 years per truck.
    .
    That’s presuming that the truck is used by one driver on a cushy 40 hour workweek.
    .
    In a worse case scenario a single owner operator who is unwilling to lease out the truck when he/she (not many she’s, but at least 1/10th of 1% like cabbies) would have 700,000 miles on a 2006 truck by 2013 and need to spend $40,000 for the next 300,000 miles.
    .
    I can’t imagine why an o/o would would work only 40 hours per week and not lease out the vehicle.

    .
    When I drove a cab, I worked between 72 hours per week and when I was an o/o in Boston in 1996, I worked 92 hours per week.
    .
    These o/o who do not lease out I can only imagine are a tiny fraction of truckers.
    .
    As a rule of thumb, Meltdown, government doesn’t make a rule until it asks the industry it is regulating “please”.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    From your own list on the pdf @ #8
    .
    Estimated cost would not be $40,000.
    .
    It would be between $10,000 and $20,000.
    .
    To average to $15,000 for the next 300,000 miles, that would be five cents per mile.
    .
    More reasonably, an o/o would start saving in advance and have his/her costs divided out by the first 700,000 miles to be just over 2 cents per mile.
    .
    Once again, this is exclusively the most extreme scenario.
    .
    You’re dying to say that environmental regulation not only will cost businesses significantly (which the way they are designed now, they will not) but, that they exist to destroy businesses and this is totally insane.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Trucker owner operator can have his own authority or be leased to a company and run off the company’s authority. Normally if you have your truck leased to a company they will pay you a fixed rate of anywhere from 80 cents to $2.00 a mile depending what the company is hauling.”
    .
    Let’s call that $1.50 per mile.
    .
    $15,000/1,000,000 miles or 1.5 cents per mile exclusively for low mileage trucks bought in 2005/2006.
    .
    When I think of these companies in a worse case scenario losing out on 1% of their gross income or less all upset about it, all I can think of is:
    .

    .
    Psychiatric Meltodwn, climate change sucks!
    .
    So do many things.
    .
    I wish there were no climate change, but, I wish cigarettes and coffee were health food. I wish the best workout was to sit at my computer. I wish cheeseburgers were health food and vegetables were hazardous to your health.
    .
    So what?
    .
    I don’t call medical professionals that they are liars and are involved with a conspiracy with vegetable farmers and gyms. I read about what they say and deal with them as facts.
    .
    Listening to you call climatologists liars because you hate the news is just pathetic.

  • http://rbmatudan.wordpress.com rbmatudan

    People are already losing faith and tired of hoping for the best. Working people would still be in a mess while the rich just gets richer and richer…..
    http://www.pathtoasia.com/jobs/

  • liberalmeltdown

    Ahhh…the Reverend Jim after he lost his taxi license.
    .

    .
    Since you don’t have any experience with anything other than driving a taxi, maybe you should stick with what you know.
    .
    Ever see one of those funny trucks with a cylinder on the back that goes round and round. It’s known as a concrete truck. Concrete companies have busy seasons, busy days and slow seasons, slow days. Therefore, they have to have enough trucks on hand to handle a busy day and when it slows the trucks sit, sometimes for months, sometimes years.
    .
    Same with agriculture. There’s a harvest time: trucks needed. The rest of the time they are idle. You cannot lease out a specialized truck if there is no work for it Reverend Jim.
    .
    You think that you have an answer for everything, but you are just smearing a bunch of crap around and trying to clean it up with an encyclopedia.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Psychiatirc Meltdown,
    .
    The show tax went off the air when I was about 12 years old.
    .
    I don’t live in the past.
    .
    I have a real estate license and am working on subleases in Manhattan and drove a cab the fist time since I was student and the second time because I was waiting for the results of a civil service exam to join the police department.
    .
    I will be joining the auxiliary later on but even with it’s huge ups and downs the odds are high that I will earn more than you have ever earned before I resume my college degree.
    .
    As for trucks, I used trucker statistics, not cab statistics.
    .
    And what is that you do for a living?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Don’t waste my time if you are not serious about doing business:
    .
    http://www.levelgroup.com/index.cfm?page=agents&state=profile&id=228
    .
    It’s a good paying field:
    .
    http://www1.salary.com/Commercial-Real-Estate-Manager-salary.html

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    If you weren’t hiding your identity, I would invite you to give me a call so that I could verify mine to you.
    .
    Level Group is primarily residential and, like many residential agents, I work from home.

  • stuartzechman

    Hey, I know this is very, extremely late, but @lovely_bride has been sick as a dog, and I’ve been busy as hell.
    .
    I just wanted to thank you two, patricksartor and Rustydog, for reading through all of that, and for your intelligent and cogent responses.
    .
    …Both of you, thank you.

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