Did Jon Stewart Turn the Tide on the 911 First Responders Bill?

In his last show of the year, The Daily Show’s Jon Stewart took Congress and the media to task for not making the Zadroga bill a priority. Named for James Zadroga, a 911 first responder who died in 2006 of respiratory disease, the bill would create a trust fund to cover the health care costs of surviving police, firemen, emergency medical technicians and clean up crews who toiled for months in the wreckage of the World Trade Center. The bill passed the House but has been stalled in the Senate due to GOP concerns that it would, in essence, create a new — albeit relatively tiny — entitlement.

(Stewart may have taken outrage lessons on the issue from his buddy Rep. Anthony Weiner with whom he’s shared a South Hampton summer sublet.)

In the wake of Stewart’s show, ABC’s Jonathan Karl ran a story on World News and the cable nets seem to have woken up to the bill’s existence. On Sunday, New York Senators Chuck Schumer and Kristen Gillibrand announced that a revised version of the bill, which reduces the cost from $7.4 billion to $6.2 billion – the measure is offset by closing a corporate tax loop hole – had gained at least some GOP support. Indeed, several prominent Republicans have come out in support of the bill with Fox News Sunday’s Chris Wallace calling it a “national shame” that the legislation has yet to be enacted.

On MSNBC’s Morning Joe today, Senator Dick Durbin, the No. 2 Senate Democrat, said he thinks the bill will pass.

We’ve had 22 hearings, gone through all sorts of accommodations. This is the right thing to do. And I can tell you, the Republicans, when they’re off camera understand that it’s the right thing to do. I hope they’ll give us a chance to do it before Christmas for these deserving people.

It remains unclear if there’s enough time left in the calendar to finish work on the measure. The Senate is currently debating the START treaty with a key vote expected on that bill tomorrow morning. They also still have to pass a short term continuing resolution to fund the federal government through March (though negotiators seem to have come to an agreement on that in recent days with the Administration and congressional Democrat giving up hope on an omnibus, or even a year-long CR, in exchange for continued Pell Grants over the next three months and other GOP concessions). Christmas is rapidly approaching and it is unusual for the Senate to work up, let alone though, the Holiday.

The bill failed a GOP filibuster in the Senate 57-42 last week but one of those votes was Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who switched his vote so he might bring the measure back up again. Another of those Nays was newly sworn-in Illinois Republican Mark Kirk, who had voted for the bill in the past in the House. Kirk voted no because of a letter signed by all 42 Senate Republicans pledging to filibuster all bills until the Bush tax cuts were renewed and the government is funded through the next few months. Both of those bills should be done by the next 911 vote. Kirk’s office said if that’s the case, he will vote for it, which brings Dems to 59 votes, tantalizingly close to the 60 needed to break a filibuster. Other GOP targets include Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Maine’s Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, who said last week she supports the bill “on the merits” and would vote for it if the cost is offset.

If the Zadroga bill does not pass now, it is unlikely to make it through a GOP-controlled House and an expanded Republican minority in the Senate next year. Despite the fact that the bill’s been bouncing around for the last two years, Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona, the No. 2 Senate Republican, over the weekend called for more time to look at the bill. One GOP leadership aide told me today that the bill’s odds were still dim, and even a Democratic leadership aide conceded that “time is the only thing that could stop it, it seems.” As the sick and dying first responders know all too well, time is of the essence.

Updated 4:50 pm

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  • Paul-no not that one

    psst (it’s Jon)

  • http://www.twitter.com/jnsmall Jay Newton-Small

    thanks – just saw that and changed it but you were too quick!

  • stuartzechman

    Jay Newton-Small:
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    You write:
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    Stewart may have taken outrage lessons on the issue…
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    Listen, I haven’t spoken to the guy in many years, but:
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    Is it not possible that Stewart has some genuine, deeply held emotional attachments to the issue, and that he’s not merely a professional politician working outrage for partisan gain per usual?
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    Perhaps you should watch this segment of the first post 9/11 Daily Show (6:00 minutes in is the really relevant part, I suppose):
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    , and then really consider whether or not “Stewart may have taken outrage lessons on the issue,” Jay Newton-Small.
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    I know you don’t run across it so often in your daily work-life, but isn’t it possible that some of us don’t have to take lessons in outrage to be genuinely appalled at some of the things that go on in our nation’s capital?

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, Jay. Are you in the office this week playing online Battleship with Adam or at home blogging from laptop? And kudos for linking info. about Schumer + Gillibrand’s changes to the bill, even if The Hill piece says, “Left-leaning comedian Jon Stewart”. I knew you’d come thru for us (literally: said so in today’s morning reads, #17.2), way to go. Stewart may really be a contemporary Howard Beale even if he downplayed his strengths in the Maddow interview.

  • deconstructiva

    …and BTW Jay, dead-tree is not dead and online journalism is the new MO, but TV still has the power to move things (as Howard Beale noted). Stewart is that one person right now. Alas, Jay, I wish YOU or KT or Katy would go on TV really royally p1ssed off and do something like this, say on Hardball, please please please (and don’t let Matthews talk over you)…
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    (This is actually my fave Network speech, followed by Arthur Jensen’s corporate world view, Beale’s “Woe is Us / TV is a goddam amusement park”
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    and then the “Mad as Hell” rant.) Picture Matthews’ face during this. And no, UBS TIME and WaPo won’t reprimand you all; you’ll be promoted. You and Katy (she did a great swamp post earlier) and Jon can help get this damned thing passed already, in spite of uncaring R’s.

  • kathy

    I hope so. It was a brilliant Stewart unpeeling of a rather sickening hypocrisy. I was wondering just yesterday if it would slide into the abyss, or have some positive effect.

    And you know I just wonder if Weiner hasn’t taken lessons from Stewart, if they’re friends, rather than the other way around. Admittedly, Weiner does do loud outrage better.

    This sentence seemed like a means of letting us know that Stewart and Weiner are friends, and hey, maybe since Weiner’s a New Yorker there’s a connection here. But did you have any reason for thinking Weiner got to this whole topic first?

    It’s those throw-away lines that will always trip you (or any of us) up.

  • grape_crush

    Stewart may have taken outrage lessons on the issue…

    What about Shepard Smith? Is he sharing a condo with Anthony Weiner or something?

    And who was talking about the Senate GOP’s failure to pass the Zadroga bill before it hit Stewart’s show?

    You can argue that Stewart’s show was the tipping point that may have never come, but (if it passes) I’d like to chalk this one up to a group effort.

  • lilaland

    Wow, that was pretty powerful.

    And the come back to GOP saying it is disrespectful to make them work over Christmas..

    The Firefighters saying they never think it is disrespectful to work helping save American lives over Christmas.

    God help them, the GOP looks so small. So damn small.

    Wow, that was just so powerful.
    It brought tears to my eyes. Those firefighters are truly the heart of the American spirit and the GOP spits in their face.

    My God. The GOP is unbelievable and despicable.

  • shepherdwong

    Yes, I’d suggest that you stay away from describing motive altogether:

    The bill passed the House but has been stalled in the Senate due to GOP concerns that it would, in essence, create a new — albeit relatively tiny — entitlement.

    You can’t possibly know for sure why Republicans blocked the bill. Have they filibustered practically every piece of Democratic legislation for the past two years out of “concerns that it would, in essence, create a new — albeit relatively tiny — entitlement”? No, they blocked all progress or accomplishment to damage Democrats and the notion of effective government.
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    You only know what they say are their reasons and they are perpetual liars. It’s bad enough you won’t tell your readers the truth about Republican liars but PLEASE STOP aiding them in spreading their lies. They created their own media outlets for that.

  • apr2563

    The other day I posted about Stewart’s last show and the emotional impact of his 9/11 responder interviews. It certainly had an impact. It was discussed on many sites. Jay you are a little late to the game.
    By the way, Weiner was Jon Stewart’s roommate in college. Gillibrand has worked on this for a long time.
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    Some mention should be made of the false reassurances the 9/11 responders and workers received from Christine Whitman and Rudy Gulianni that the air was just fine. The workers were also not provided proper safety equipment.
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    The Republicans have been quite free in using 9/11 as a scare tactic and a means to profess their patriotism. However, when action is called for they are obstructionists.
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    By the way, the cost of the bill is offset.

  • apr2563

    What was equally awesome was Stewart’s interview of Mike Huckabee right after the responder’s interview. Huckabee tried as hard as he could to justify the lack of Republican support. Stewart shamed him into finally stating that it should pass. Something you would never see a traditional media person do.
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    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-december-16-2010/exclusive—mike-huckabee-extended-interview
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    Shep Smith did voice outrage to Mike Wallace about the lack of support for the responders. But neither mentioned that the Reps were obstructing.
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  • shepherdwong

    In the holiday spirit, here’s the gift of adjective:

    …ostensibly, evidently, apparently, ostensively, presumably, putatively, seemingly, supposedly…

    No need to thank me, just use them.

  • http://seeseebutler.wordpress.com seeseebutler

    Thank God the GOP has the courage to stand up to this entitlement give away that will be rife with fraud and excess. News flash people: we do not have anymore money!

  • np042

    This is being paid for by closing a corporate tax loophole. I’m sorry you apparently feel so strongly against your fellow Americans who were completely willing to give their lives to save the lives of others and can’t possibly imagine helping them out.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Has anyone else felt that there’s been a notable upswing in the number of random Republican trolls who come in posting some unintelligent crap and then don’t stick around long enough to have an honest debate?

  • np042

    You assume that they want to have an honest debate. To me it seems more like the Fox News/Tea Party strategy: whoever is loudest must obviously be right.

  • certifiablylazy

    It’s a Monkey Algorithm concocted by the RNC. They place monkeys in a coat room and when they punch a button, a random user name and post is generated from preselected talking points/words. The problem with the monkeys is that they shat in the room. The positive is they are paid in bananas.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    My God La-La-land get a grip. I said it before and I’ll say it again: anything, ANYTHING proposed by liberals should be held at arms length and scrutinized to the utmost. A nice sounding bill, but then that’s the liberal M O. Evil disguised as good. They are the champions of false appearances. Jon Stewert is just another product of the sludge that drips out of Hollywood, and you guys worship him like he’s the second coming. He wouldn’t piss on either one of you if you were on fire, but you cling to him and those like him as though they were gods. Sheep. All of you. Sad and pathetic.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    I’ve got nothing. Two days running that I can’t even summon the energy.

  • np042

    Ok, 2/3, I’ll bite. What is so abhorrent about a bill that will provide health benefits to people who put their lives on the line to save the lives of others during a time of national tragedy? Remember, the bill is being paid for by closing a corporate tax loophole, so you can’t really argue that angle, and the fact that it’s only a couple billion.

  • sacredh

    I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and good fortune in the coming year. Now you have something. To quote Dave, “Something is coming. Something wonderful”.

  • http://hysteriaaah.wordpress.com hysteriaaah

    Jon StewertBeck/Hannity/Limbaugh is just another product of the sludge that drips out of Hollywoodthe GOP, and you guys worship him like he’s the second coming. He wouldn’t piss on either one of you if you were on fire, but you cling to him and those like him as though they were gods. Sheep. All of you. Sad and pathetic.

    Thats better.

  • http://hysteriaaah.wordpress.com hysteriaaah

    ….soooo therefore we should keep giving tax cuts to people who earn more than they probably should?? I see the logic.

  • sacredh

    Dave might have said “Something is going to happen. Something wonderful” instead. I was tripping the first 10 or 15 times i saw it so I might be a little confused. I have the blu-ray but won’t get a chance to watch it until after the holidays.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “Now you have something”
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    Indeed, that is something Sacred. Thanks and the same back at you/yours. Cold as a witch’s tit in that neck of the woods isn’t it? So sayeth my Appalachian-ed Pappy. Why do the Griswolds come to mind when I try to picture the Sacred family Xmas?
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    I just rented Scrooged, so my wife could see it. Favorite line remains Bobcat’s comment to the network president: “In fact, he just said you’re a flatulating butthead”

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Two thirds brain didn’t really have an explanation. He just liked writing the words “evil” and “sludge”.
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    They’re really pretty shapes and two thirds brain loves pretty shapes on his computer screen. They make him happy.

  • sacredh

    It is really cold here. It hasn’t made it up to freezing in over two weeks. We haven’t had a lot of snow, but everything that’s drifted down for two weeks is still laying out there. It might make it up to freezing sometime next week.
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    The Griswolds aren’t that much of a stretch. We haven’t been watching many Christmas specials so far because I’m still contagious. I’m starting to feel better though. Tomorrow night we’re going to start the Xmas special marathons. Scrooged is one of my favorites. I also have the Star Wars Christmas special. It’s not a great copy, but I did transfer it to dvd.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Good catch Apr.
    .
    I wonder if Huckabee will be the 2012 candidate.
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    There’s something likable about him even though, I believe, if I knew more about him I would be repulsed and disgusted.

  • sacredh

    “There’s something likable about him even though, I believe, if I knew more about him I would be repulsed and disgusted.”
    .
    I managed to marry two women who felt the same way about me. Every time my wife says that disgust her, I remind her that that’s why she married me in the first place.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Dude, you’re a cornucopia of oblique/obscure references. Didn’t even catch the 2010 quote until your 2nd comment. Then you mention a Star Wars Xmas special that I had never heard of. Per the Wiki:
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    “It is Life Day (a holiday analogous to Christmas). Chewbacca is on his way home to see his family and to celebrate the holiday, accompanied by his friend, Han Solo. Not long after departing Tatooine in the Millennium Falcon, the duo find themselves chased by two Star Destroyers. Han then sends the Falcon into hyperspace.”
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    I mean, holy sh!t, with a premise like that, how can it miss!?
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    And, finally, you have some mysterious contagion. I can only hope it came courtesy of vice!

  • michaelfury

    Yet Mr. Stewart has no “outrage”–or even any evident curiosity–about this:

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/10/31/trick-or-truth/

    Another victim of September 11 Stewart will never mention in his righteous rants:

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/12/12/scots-wha-hae-wi-wallace-bled/

  • sacredh

    jcapan, the Star Wars Christmas special is one of the Holy Grails of garbage. It’s so bad it’s good. It’s also one of the very few things I refuse to make copies of for friends. George Lucas was so embarrassed about it that he refused to let it ever be seen again after it’s initial showing. Yes, it’s THAT bad. I’ll make copies of the Let It Be movie for friends. I’ll make copies of a videotape I found in a videocamera that I rented from a video store in the 80′s. Let’s just say that it involved a huge couple, two cucumbers and a Barbie doll (John Waters would be moved to tears). The Star Wars Christmas special…untouchable.
    .
    I just have a case of the flu that has been hard to shake that turned into the mother of all colds.

  • queencersei

    On the brightside we have less then a year to go before the 10th anniversary of 9/11. Then we can all be treated to the GOP having a group masterbation session over which of Republicans is the most patriotic, most grateful to the brave men and women who responded on 9/11. September should be long enough for them to pretend that this filibuster never happened. It’s not what happend after all, it’s how you spin it.

  • chohkmah

    honestly, michael, just post your point rather than your endless stream of self-aggrandizing blog links.

    having read your conspiracy theory, I for one want the 30 seconds of my life back.

  • kbanginmotown

    jcapan & sacred: Star Wars Christmas and huge couple with cucumber & Barbie Doll…?!?!
    .
    To quote Han: “I gotta baaad feeling about this…”

  • chohkmah

    This is, if the Democrats had any sense at all, a fantastic holiday gift from the Republicans. As the Rs have shown time and again, after all, there’s no expiration date on 9/11.
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    And now we get this mark of shame to hang over their heads for…ever? Does forever work for you? Wonderful.
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    “We won’t vote for this bill, and will do everything in our power to stop aid for 9/11 responders…. unless and until you give the rich another tax break.” Priceless. Absolutely priceless.
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    This is assuming, of course, that the Dems can stop cutting off their own nose to spite their face long enough to get some kind of strategy down on paper. And I think we all know that’s about as likely as this bill moving forward.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Seein’s how you post on here far mor than anyone else with your continuous blatherings, I’d say it’s you who has the love affair with words and shapes on a computer screen. Biggest poster on here, in more ways than one. I’ll say it again fatsy, you really need to get a life.

  • sacredh

    kbanginmotown, the tape is amazing/disgusting/hilarious. About 15 years ago a friend of mine asked me bring some porn to the local VFW because they were having an after hours stag party to raise some money. I put the tape in after the first movie. They were stunned. One guy said “She’s not…no she wouldn’t…OH MY LORD GOD NO!” Guys were calling friends and telling them they had to come down and see something they might never see again. They made me play it FOUR times. It was 35 minutes long. Some guys were laughing so hard they were crying.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Actually, I was trying to distinguish between the trolls and the odd honest debater we get.

  • Art Pepper

    … interspersed with diatribes about how much they hate urban East Coast liberals.

  • chohkmah

    2thirds-
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    hyperbole, ad hominem attacks, outright lies, childish name-calling, demagoguery… the list goes on and on with you.
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    You ever wonder why you always seem to “say it before and say it again?” Because no one listens to your drivel. No one cares.
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    No one wants to take a close look at what comes out of the hind-end of a bull, no matter how many times you keep picking it up and shoving it in their faces.
    .
    Just to recap: quit talking sh!t. You’re sitting here calling the 9/11 first responders bill “Evil disguised as good,” and inventing childish slurs against others which my first grade students could top…. and you’re telling *others* to get a life??
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    Ha! That’s a laugh.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Seein’s how two thirds fell off the waggon and gots his self drunk again, we’s better listen to what he be sayin.
    .
    Sober up, lush!
    .
    Calling New York’s Finest and New York’s bravest “evil” is very despicable.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    2/3,
    Does it not bother you that your sole reason for opposing the Zadroga bill is that it was sponsored by the Democratic Party? You even admit that the bill sounds benign -and, of course, we can all agree that the idea of taking care of the 9/11 first responders is an admirable, if not obligatory, initiative- yet you dismiss it solely based on its sponsors. You’re not reasoning at all, you’re just acting solely on partisan grounds. Those who risked their lives and the families of those who sacrificed their lives for this country on that tragic day deserve our every effort. You should be ashamed for siding with petty politics over civic, moral duty. Does your epicaricacy know no bounds?

  • formerlyjames

    An argument might be made that there was more heroism on display on that day than on any single day of any war. The position of the “patriotic” Repubs befuddles me, as usual. In fact, the world community might have pitched in for the heros’ care if not for the mindless reaction of the neocons and the Iraq attack.

  • sacredh

    I have a hard time being surprised by anything they say or do anymore. I was arguing with a friend this past weekend and he was telling me how the country was “being destroyed” by liberals. I told him his country needed to be destroyed. Even after I tried to explain that what I meant was that his version of America was the one I thought needed to be destroyed he still didn’t understand what I meant. I’m starting to come to the conclusion that there are two Americas and they’ll never be reconciled until one side is gone. They don’t understand us and we don’t understand them. I think he’s anti-American and he thinks the same thing of me.
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    I hope it’s them.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    There is a rather large grey area, you know…

  • sacredh

    I know. Very few things are just black and white anymore. I don’t know if you’ll take this as a compliment or not, but I don’t think of you as one of them. I think you’re a reasonable conservative/libertarian, but I also think you’re just about extinct. It seems to me that you argue more with the current version of conservatives than you do with us. I just don’t see much common ground with the Tea Bag crowd with either your brand or mine of politics. Honestly, I feel that you’ll eventually fall in wiuth us by default.
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    OT, but a complete lunar eclipse is going to start in less than an hour and a half. It’s clouding up again here so I’m going to miss it. I’ve also been up since 4 am and it’s going to be sleepytime for me very soon.

  • formerlyjames

    There may be a grey area for sure. With the right wing, it’s all black area.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Eh, doubtful I’ll ever end up in your(pl) lot, sacred. No offense. There are actually a comfortable amount of us “reasonable conservatives” -I’ll overlook the patronizing contempt that phrase suggests- however, online forums are like the primaries, they attract the fringes.

  • formerlyjames

    sacredh, I will snore though the eclipse as well. There will be pics on line better than the actual event.

  • np042

    2/3:
    .
    Care to answer either my question at 7.2 or Exiled’s at 7.8? Do you have any justification at all for why you oppose this bill other than that it’s “liberal?”

  • sacredh

    Exiled, I wasn’t trying to be patronizing at all. Out of the current 41 or soon to be 47 republican senators, do you really think many of them are either reasonable or truly your version of conservative. It seems to me that the ones closest to your personal brand of politics is either going to be primaried or endangered. The blogs may attract the fringes, but how would you explain the election of the Tea Baggers? I’m not talking about the Tea Party members (some of the voters) who are actually just against big government and fiscal responsibility, I mean the ones that got elected. Also look at Angle, Miller, O’Donnel and the fascination of the Tea Party/Republicans with Palin. There may be a good number of you out there, but I can’t see the right electing any that share your overall opinions.

  • sacredh

    I just went upstairs and looked outside. I can see a lighter area behind the clouds, but it’s just getting fainter and fainter. I’m about ready to call it a night too.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “… online forums are like the primaries, they attract the fringes.”
    .
    N-R, what are you saying–that you’re a mainstream conservative? You, the Ron Paul voter? Come on, man. You’re no more mainstream circa 2010 than the Greens. Worse yet for all of us “reasonable” folks, within our fringe movements, there’s a majority sentiment of distrust for one another. Thus, a blogger like Digby can’t help but sh!t on every libertarian idea ever put FWD, even when it’s an idea progressives agree with, and vice versa.
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    Your actual conservative ideas and my actual liberal ideas are never going to be in ascent b/c (differing solutions notw/standing) they’re diametrically opposed to the ruling class’ interests. If either group were able to grasp this, perhaps we could work together to break the duopoly’s back. But, hell, factional purity will be deeply gratifying when it all burns down, right?
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    To illustrate my own evolving sensibilty, I’d vote for a libertarian at this pt. in time before I’d vote for another democrat. Likewise, surely you can acknowledge that Kucinich has more in common with Paul than John McCain does.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Well, I don’t really think that my politics belong on “the right.” The Left/Right dynamic is a facade, an illusion to keep us plebeians at odds with one another. Theoretically we are all neo-classical liberals, that is, we believe in democracy, liberty, the significance of the individual over the collective, etc. We may differ on values and we may differ on the role of government, but these should not evoke the level of morose delectation that American partisans seem to have with one another. In Europe, such makes sense, because you have a foundational chasm between the Left and the Right, between real democrats and real socialists, etc. These are fundamentally at odds, whereas the thirst for blood between American democrats in inexplicable, and quite frankly, a drain on our society.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    JC~
    That’s creepy. Get out of my head!

  • sacredh

    Before I hit it I would like to say a couple of more things. To be fair, I don’t think there are enough liberals out there to get liberals elected that I would be happy with and certainly not enough liberals to elect the kind of politicians that would make SZ happy. I’m closer to SZ’s political leanings than to most of the other posters on here, but I think it’s wishful thinking to think that true liberals are going to wind up in DC in any significant numbers. If centrists are the best I think we can do, I’ll vote for centrists.
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    I don’t buy at all the idea that blue dogs and moderate democrats suffered disproportionate losses in November’s election because they weren’t liberal enough. I think it was mostly tradionally republican areas returning to republican candidates. The republican candidates p!ssed them off in 2006 and 2008 so they lost. The democrats p!ssed them off in 2010 so they lost. I think that’s about the whole story.

  • sacredh

    I hate it when the conversation gets really interesting and I really want to continue but my body says “Get your ass in bed or else I’ll f**k you up”.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Quit being a b*tch!

  • sacredh

    Oh, you done it now girlfriend. You know that scene in Shawn of the Dead when they’re going through albums to throw at the zombies? Well, you got ALL my Judy Garland records winging their way at choo now.
    .
    Did I just say I was giving up my Judy records? I must be tired. I meant my Toby Keith records. They’re wrapped in flannel shirts.

  • http://seeseebutler.wordpress.com seeseebutler

    It never seizes to amaze me that people who complain about the over-the-top rhetoric of Glenn Beck are the same people who quickly resort to childish name-calling when discussing important issues of the day. Frankly, I am sick of this cra* whether it comes from the left or right. When anyone is ready to talk like an adult you, know where to find me.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    I think we can agree to toss Sade.

  • sacredh

    Good night folks.

  • sacredh

    OK. One final final comment. I hate to date myself (haha) but I don’t know who Sade is. I’m guessing a contemporary singer? If you would have said Slade, I know them. And I’d NEVER toss them.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Dude! It’s from Shawn of the Dead, also! It’s the first album that the two can agree on when deciding which records to throw at the zombies. Sade was an ’80s R&P disaster.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    *R&B

  • formerlyjames

    Yes. Me, too.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Eh, what the heck. I guess I’ll turn in as well. The conversation sort of hit a brick-wall with JC’s vanishing act.

  • sacredh

    Last word. I forgot to brush my teeth. Then I remembered. Now they’re brushed. Honest to God…good night.

  • http://stoicfaux.wordpress.com stoicfaux

    Given the health issues the first responders suffer from breathing the dust for weeks to months (massive exposure over a short period of time,) has anyone wondered what the effects are on office workers who work in office buildings for years (small doses over a long period of time?)

  • apr2563

    Patrick, he is a theocrat.

  • apr2563

    sacredh: I am reading a book about the Upton Sinclair’s campaign for governor of California in 1934.
    Sinclair was a socialist who ran as a Democrat.
    The whole political establishment became unglued. The methods used to defeat him were later adopted in whole by the Republicans. The mainstream Dems joined the mission to destroy Sinclair.
    That is what would happen to a real liberal today. The establishment could not let it happen.

  • apr2563

    Exiled: Yes please dump Sade. Her voice is annoyyyyyyying.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “The conversation sort of hit a brick-wall with JC’s vanishing act.”
    .
    Sorry, had to go teach. Usually my comments inspire toothbrushing and tuck-ins. Whether by content or longitude.
    .
    In any event, you freakin’ pansies, it’s only 4am EST (i.e. happy hour on my end).

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Apr,
    .
    What’s the title?

  • liberalmeltdown

    You people deserve to live in the cold and snow. In fact, it has shaped your personalities. Four to Six months of cabin fever makes people whacko. And, that’s you. I live in California. Too bad for you. I do my best to not pay taxes to the idiot liberals here. I prefer to give to my church and other charities. MERRY CHRISTMAS liberal idiots.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Exiled,
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    With the resounding defeat of Carl Paladino to the centrist platform of Andrew Cuomo, I believe you are totally correct that in this region of the country, we don’t have any significant numbers of people like Rusty, Meltdown or Freeinpa.
    .
    I hope you are correct in saying that nationwide, you are typical of conservatives and these guys are just on the fringe.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Sade is annoying.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Four to Six months of cabin fever makes people whacko.”
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    Cabin fever in NYC? We put on our coats and walk even a little faster than usual.
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    On the West Coast?
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    Alaska is where they have Cabin Fever. Wisconsin they have cabin fever. Montana, North and South Dakota….. Except for rural and suburban Illinois and Minnesota all of the cabin fever states are Red.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    All the justification I need. Liberalism is the cancer that has eaten at the core of our great country since the beginning of time. When I see a child going hungry, I think liberalism. When I see Godgiven rights disappearing at every turn I think liberalism. When I see criminals given more rights than the victims themselves, you got it, liberalism. We throw money at our inner cities, only to watch them further deteriorate. We pump more and more taxpayer dollars into our educational system, only to watch it spiral downward. A ” measely few billion” to help our first responders, what could be wrong with that? Um, sponsored by liberals, nuff said.

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    Psst, Shep–those are adverbs. (I’m an English teacher/grammar Nazi, sorry.)

  • gysgt213

    The NYT on its front page yesterday posted an article by Mark Mazzetti and Dexter Filkins which exposes plans by senior commanders in Afghanistan to expand special forces raids across the border into Pakinstan. Mazzetti and Filkins seemed to have also granted liberal anonymity to senior military commanders, senior officials in the Obama and even to at least on Afghan political leader. This is all very curious in wake of the Wikileaks rhetoric coming out of the government’s and well as our media’s mouths.
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/21/world/asia/21intel.html?_r=1&hp

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Patrick,
    Yea, in NY you rather have to be reasonable to be taken seriously. Sure, we have plenty of unreasonable people, but they are also know to be unserious.

  • sacredh

    “You people deserve to live in the cold and snow. In fact, it has shaped your personalities.”
    .
    It sure has. We deal with whatever mother nature throws at us and make the best of it. We don’t panic when an inch or a foot of snow is on the roads. We get in our 4WD’s and head out to work, to shop or go to the movies. We clear our driveways and sometimes we clear our neighbor’s driveways before they even get out of bed. We look out for each other. It’s called community and basic human decency. We pay our taxes.
    .
    Christmas just isn’t Christmas without snow on the ground and on the rooftops. It’s beautiful and makes me thankful that I live in an area where I get to see the seasons change. The leaves are brilliant in the fall and sometimes they take your breath away with their beauty. I don’t envy people that live in a warm climate year round, I pity them for the wonders of nature that they miss.
    .
    You have to choose to stay indoors during the winter to have cabin fever. I work outside year round and I have few complaints about it. When’s the last time you made a snowman? When’s the last time you went sled riding? Life is what you make it. It sounds like yours is a bitter hell. Merry Christmas.

  • np042

    So you have no actual opposition to the bill then? If it was put forward by someone with an R next to their name instead of a D you would be all for it?
    .
    2/3, I’m not normally one to throw insults around here, I leave that to your fellows such as Freep and Newf. However, I would love to know how it is you have gotten through life with absolutely no critical thinking ability at all. It is simply astounding. Did someone hold your hand your entire life telling you what to think at every step? And you call other people radical idealogues?!? As I read somewhere else, if Jesus himself came down and told you that this was a good bill, then you would dismiss him immediately and call him a dirty hippy liberal.
    .
    You, 2/3, and other people like you, are why I cannot stand the current Republican party and most people on the right. You are completely devoid of any human compassion or ability to look beyond party lines. You are a part of a movement on one hand that parades 9/11 around for their own gain and then spits in the face of those who actually went through 9/11, those who were willing to give their lives to save those of others. And you call liberals evil? You are nothing but an unthinking shell and I cannot wait for the day that you and others of your generation are gone so that sane, rational people can finally control the national political discourse, so that people who actually live in the world of today rather than the world of yesterday seen through rose-tinted glasses won’t be shouted down by people like you.
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    “a measly few billion”
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    Yes, a measly few billion that will be paid for by closing a corporate loophole. Oh wait, does that anger your corporate overlords?

  • http://whyimnotgonnadoths.wordpress.com ackforever

    2thirdsrocks- Well why don’t you tell that to the families members of those who died or going to die because they didn’t get the care they needed. “well it was a “liberal” bill”

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “When I see a child going hungry, I think liberalism.”
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    When I see a child going hungry, I think of Herbert Hoover, a conservative and how liberal fiscal policy was created to prevent such things while people like Reagan and Bush Sr and Jr tried so hard to undue that.
    .
    “When I see Godgiven rights disappearing at every turn I think liberalism.”
    .
    When I see natural rights being violated, I think of GWB and the PATRIOT Act taking them away from us.
    .
    “We throw money at our inner cities, only to watch them further deteriorate.”
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    You’ve got that backwards: We grow our money in the cities and send them out to Red States where they are thrilled to bite the hand that feeds them.
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    “We pump more and more taxpayer dollars into our educational system, only to watch it spiral downward.”
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    I’ve seen nothing but the opposite, for a right wing agenda we cut taxes and when schools can not longer afford gym teachers, people wonder why our children are gaining weight. I’ve seen schools improve from the 1980s when small towns and inner cities gave out diplomas like candy to people who couldn’t even read their diplomas.
    .
    Now I see the right wing spiting NYC for not falling for the sham that Republicans were the ultimate protectors from terrorism by letting our heroes die.
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    Try getting out of your farm town not just to play 30 year old music, but to see what is really out there. Neighborhoods you wouldn’t have wished upon your worst enemy in the late 1980s now have a Starbucks on the corner with the buildings redone in a way they haven’t been since they were first built ninety years ago.

  • np042

    Patrick, I think you forgot something:
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    “We pump more and more taxpayer dollars into our educational system, only to watch it spiral downward.”
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    I think conservatives, like those in Texas, who want to rewrite history so that it has a conservative bias, such as removing much of the information on Thomas Jefferson (because he was a deist) and the impact of the Enlightenment on the Founding Fathers.
    .
    I think if conservatives who want to teach non-science in science class, ie intelligent design or worse, a young-earth. I went to Catholic school for my entire education before college and they had it more figured out: we learned evolution in biology and intelligent design in religion.

  • hippooath


    All the justification I need. Liberalism is the cancer that has eaten at the core of our great country since the beginning of time. When I see a child going hungry, I think liberalism. When I see Godgiven rights disappearing at every turn I think liberalism. When I see criminals given more rights than the victims themselves, you got it, liberalism. We throw money at our inner cities, only to watch them further deteriorate. We pump more and more taxpayer dollars into our educational system, only to watch it spiral downward. A ” measely few billion” to help our first responders, what could be wrong with that? Um, sponsored by liberals, nuff said.”
    .
    When I read this nonsense I think paranoid, ideologue idiot. Nuff said.

  • hippooath

    I kind of like Sade, haters ;)

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    What being liberal is all about:
    .

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    This is what being a right wing Republican is all about:
    .

    .
    You know which side I am on.
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    I took the Steinbeck Quote and used it for our Senior Quote in the high school year book.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    I think of an education system that prepared our children for the real adult world. That taught our kids to be independant, and gave them the skills they needed to stand on their own, not a system that teaches dependancy on government, that close is good enough, and that reaching for the brass ring is not neccessarily the way to achieve success. I know many high school graduates who cannot read on a 6th grade level, and this in an age where more money is being spent on education than at any time in history. But still not enough right? More intelligent design and evolution is needed to prepare out kids for the real world I suppose.

  • shepherdwong

    Oops. Nice handle (I’m just an arch-villain with an secret egg-salad recipe).

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Fatrick I know very little about farms and farming, and I suspect you know even less. But it’s just like you to denigrate that of which you know nothing. If it’s outside of NYC it may as well be on another planet. It’s obvious that you can google with the best of em’ but don’t dare even pretend that you know the slightest about the real world. I’m a musician, you’re not, and that’s enough on that subject. You’re comments on 30 yr. old music just further highlight your condescending demeanor. Give us a thorough crash course on the merits of bavarian cremes versus chocolate eclairs and we’ll at least know that you’re speaking from experience and not just quoting wikipedia.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Rush: Founded in 1968 – 43 years ago.
    Got much play on the radio in 1982 (28 years ago).
    .
    Pat Benatar: Had hits running from 1980 through 1984 (30 to 26 years ago).
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    I have a relative who is a non-musician who knows this stuff like an encyclopedia.
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    I actually was out of the NYC area for fifteen years. I was in Boston and only returned to this area five years ago.
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    “Give us a thorough crash course on the merits of bavarian cremes versus chocolate eclairs and we’ll at least know that you’re speaking from experience and not just quoting wikipedia.”
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    Sorry, wrong guy. I don’t eat much sugar at all.
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    “I think of an education system that prepared our children for the real adult world. That taught our kids to be independant, and gave them the skills they needed to stand on their own, not a system that teaches dependancy on government, that close is good enough, and that reaching for the brass ring is not neccessarily the way to achieve success”
    .
    So, I guess you got a “new” education many years ago since you said that you had money problems.
    .
    That person who knows music like an encyclopedia in my family is a teacher. But, you don’t no nothin about no education and it shows.
    .
    If I needed proof of this, I could cite this sentence:
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    “More intelligent design and evolution is needed to prepare out kids for the real world I suppose.”
    .
    How about more alchemy and chemistry, too.
    .
    You, truly, did not get a good education. I know that even the inner cities of New England and the New York area provide a far better education than the one you failed out of.

  • np042

    So, it appears 2/3 has managed to steer this conversation away from why he is such a horrible person that he would deny people who risked their lives to save others much needed health care.
    .
    Instead, he has managed to get us talking about school systems, none of which have anything to do with the topic at hand.
    .
    Why do suppose that is? Is he truly such a reprehensible person, an idealogue, if you will, that he would rather see people suffer than to lend a helping hand to true heroes, a helping hand that will be completely paid for?
    .
    And, to even humor him, I’m fairly certain the whole “close is good enough” is from GWB and No Child Left Behind. But of course, it’s much easier to blame liberals for failing reading levels, not the parents who don’t encourage reading, a school system that increasingly teaches to standardized tests, and a lack of funding in many of these school districts that are funding. Perhaps more money than ever is being spent, but I know districts that are starving for funds just for books for their students.
    .
    Patrick:
    .
    Rush = awesome, and I’m fairly certain almost all of their hits were before I was born.
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    And for the record, chemistry and alchemy, or at least it’s modern equivalent, metallurgy, are very useful to me in my “real world.” I only brought up evolution/ID because it is another case of conservatives pushing their beliefs in an area (science) that it does not belong (and that is coming from a practicing Catholic)

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    np042,
    .
    I am very familiar with both bands and, just to be sure, looked them up.
    .
    I’m 39 and I remember when I was in junior high school the coolest thing in the world for kids to do was to write the merged VH for Van Halen. Rush and Pat Benatar were, also, big hits then, too. I had to check to be sure but, they were about two or three years old by the time they became popular on the radio.
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    As for Chemistry and alchemy, I have a relative who is a chemist and alchemy as I know of it is the pseudo science of the middle ages of trying to turn lead into gold.
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    I was a practicing Catholic until I was 26.
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    Since then I’ve been out of practice.

  • np042

    Alchemy was the precursor to metallurgy, which gives us our various alloys, such as the wide variety of steels. I’m a metallurgist, hence why I said it would be kinda useful.
    .
    On the same note, I chuckle a little to myself every time Freep says the steel industry is dead; my company makes a ton (literally) of steel and we are at capacity and constantly trying to add more. (We also make a lot of Nickel-based alloys)

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    So you further confirm my analysis of you fatsy. A blowhard on every subject, an expert on none. What you know or don’t know about music is of little interest to me as I’m sure you feel the same way. It is a passion of mine but when it’s all said and done it’s nothing more than a hobby from which I make a few dollars on weekends. As far as money troubles are concerned, I’m surviving as is so many in this world today. Were I a liberal with money troubles, you’re compassion would be flowing like a river. But since I’m a conservative I’ll be recieving nothing more than your typical condescension. But coming from a gasbag like you it means diddly.

  • np042

    3/5:
    .
    I think you’re a bit confused. The condescension isn’t because you are a conservative. It’s because you are a reprehensible human being.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Coming from you npoo that means… well nothing.

  • hippooath

    “So you further confirm my analysis of you fatsy. A blowhard on every subject, an expert on none.”
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    I call you idiot. Because you display it in almost every post. You’d deny first responders health care but love them tax cuts that explodes the deficite. That about says all about your ideological belief system.
    .
    But the above says more about you and Freeinpa than most of the nonsensical contradictive drivel that you push; you’re a cyber bully. Your intellectual discourse is that of simplistic and childish bullying. It’s one thing to call someone idiot, which is pretty low brow and silly regardless if it’s warranted or not, but when you and freeninpa write pathetic things like ‘fatty’, it’s so redicelous and nonsensical that is laughable.
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    I bet you were a bully in highschool too. One of those guys that picked on nerds, but resent the fact that the nerds grew up to do something with their life’s while you’re stuck in stupid.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Two thirds brain,
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    The fact that I studied Economics at Harvard and you don’t have a clue about anything beyond the fourth grade just makes it more fun to laugh at an immoral sack of crap like you.
    .
    Go play that bass chord to Tom Sawyer and put on those jeans extra tight so your voice will go up high enough to sing Heart Breaker.
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    Those songs are approaching 30 years old you old fart.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Oh lordy, fartsy, you stung me with that load of wind for sure! Ain’t there a show on MTV that highlights that type of mudslinging? I think the contestants are limited to age 16 and under though so, yeah, you’re pretty much limited to swampland. That you give your real name on a blog and feel the need to spout your credentials and your life history all the time just reaffirms what I’ve said time and again: you really need to get a life. I’m quite comfortable with mine.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    You know 2/3rds, you had the opportunity to enter an intelligent discussion and act like a grown man.
    .
    You decided all by your lonesome to be an a-hole.
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    Then you get all upset and have to call people third grade names.
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    I’m not a fat man if you care to know. But, it would ruin your day if you didn’t have names to call people.
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    You’re a pathetic human being if your favorite thing to do is to make fun of dying heroes and the people who wish to pay for their medicine.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Um, yeah that would be pretty pathetic.
    .
    Easy boy, seems you’re panties have gotten all bunched. You’re blathering even more than usual.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Two thirds,
    .
    If it was your son dying instead – as “evil” liberals have demanded more spending on Veterans like your son, too, you’d be singing a different tune I would hope.
    .
    Or, maybe you’d just laugh and watch your son die while playing the base line to Tom Sawyer.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Tubby, you’re “compassionate indignation” is reaching a fevered pitch, and becoming more incoherent with each posting. And your pretense at caring for these people has not gone unnoticed either. I’ll give my donations to these victims in the form of charity, that way I know the money will actually help them, instead of being pissed away which is what would happen if left to the government. You’ve had your rant, you and your sanctimonious compadres on this liberal swine pit of a blog, but you’ve proved from day one that you’re a typical leftwing scumbag, so save it for someone who believes it. I have more compassion and generosity in my little finger, so pedal it somewhere else blowhard.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I’ll give my donations to these victims in the form of charity, that way I know the money will actually help them, instead of being pissed away which is what would happen if left to the government.”
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    LOL
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    “…Unfortunately, many prominent charities are at about 50% [going to overhead expenses], something that reputable groups should be continually working on lowering… ”
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    http://charity.lovetoknow.com/What_Percentage_of_Donations_Go_to_Charity
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    Keep on gulping down that Vodka, two thirds.
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    Have you ever seen congressional hearings on how charity money has been used?
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    Have you ever seen people running a charity voted out of office?
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    Have another shot, two thirds.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Hey, I’ve got an idea!
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    Instead of the government, maybe the tooth heterosexual will help the 9/11 heroes.
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    (Well, he used to be known as the tooth fairy, but, with conservative pressure he is now known as the tooth heterosexual – he doesn’t want to violate DADT.)

  • brionsblog

    Here is an email I sent to Sen. McCain this morning on this most important issue….
    Senator John McCain,

    I have always appreciated the way you stood up for our troops overseas, including those sent over to Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11. It was great to see that the SUPPORT FOR THOSE FIRST RESPONDERS was met with the same importance due to the situation.
    If I am correct in my thinking, then, every soldier sent to Iraq or Afghanistan was a volunteer at one time, because no soldier was drafted or forced to serve. What makes our soldier “first responders” any different than the first responders that were volunteers on the World Trade Tower site? No one drafted these men and women, no one said ‘please don’t help the wounded or dead’. You and your Republican brothers are treating the responders like trespassers and not the heroes they are.

    What would happen today if the halls of Congress were attacked and destroyed like the Trade Center? Would any one try so valiantly to rescue you all, with the arrogant way the Republicans have been behaving? I believe we would try, anyway, because we are all Americans.

    Senator McCain, all that the responders are asking for is a quality of life equal to what they had before this happened. They know they are slowly dying. They know why they are dying. If we cannot make their final days better, then what kind of people are we?

    I am saddened, frustrated and just bewildered with the way the Republicans are acting. Grow up all of you old men and finally do what is right.

    Sincerely,

    Brion S.

  • swift2

    I think Stewart was right, period. Bringing on the men themselves, some of them with fatal illnesses, was nothing but real. All the rationalizations just melted away. But then, Shep Smith made a major contribution, while avoiding talking much, if at all, about the Republican contributions. The audience grew very quiet while this interview was going on.

    The fact that the media somehow had time for the issue afterwards doesn’t speak well of the institution, but indeed, the next day you did hear about it. And then Gillibrand and Schumer stepped up and inserted funding that wasn’t as controversial to Republcans. Then when Coburn made his last-minute threat of a hold, the victims themselves paid a visit to his office.

    Can we say that, this is what happens to a human network when someone in the electronic networks has done their job? And why does it take a comedian to get serious?

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