Joe Lieberman, Hero of the Democratic Base

Joe Lieberman, Hero of the Democratic Base
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Ohmigod, I just threw up.

Senator Lieberman acts as an agent for Israel. The IDF allows gays, so that is his imprimatur for the US military to allow gays as well. I don’t object to the policy; it’s just that I always find Lieberman’s motives suspect.

It’s amazing, the so-called centrists can align themselves with the radical right 95% of the time, including support an illegal war, but all it takes is siding with one “left-wing” issue and they are back to being balanced moderates. I don’t even know why DADT is considered a liberal issue, unless civil rights are no longer of interest to republicans.

I know this is of topic but it’s information that is too important to ignor.
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America’s Best Days
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Democrats lost the 2010 election because their liberal/Progressive Wing is totally out of step with the vast majority of Americans.
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Friday, December 17, 2010
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1. For the first time since he became president, only 35% of voters say Barack Obama thinks society is fair and decent.
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2. Sixty-three percent (63%) of voters feel society is fair and decent, while just 24% disagree and think it is unfair and discriminatory. [I wonder who these 24% are. Liberals make up 21% of American voters]
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3. An overwhelming majority of voters (82%) think that people who move to America should adopt America’s culture.
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4. A solid majority of voters (67%) prefer a smaller government with fewer services and lower taxes over a larger, more active government with more services and higher taxes.
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A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds that 49%, on the other hand, say Obama thinks society is unfair and discriminatory. Another 16% are not sure how Obama feels about society. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
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But those views are not at all in line with voters’ views. Sixty-three percent (63%) of voters feel society is fair and decent, while just 24% disagree and think it is unfair and discriminatory. Another 13% are not sure. That’s a higher level of optimism than voters had a month ago.
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An overwhelming majority of voters (82%) think that people who move to America should adopt America’s culture. While that has always been a large majority, this is the highest percentage since January of 2008. Just nine percent (9%) disagree and think they should maintain the culture of their home country.
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Voters don’t have high hopes for the future. Just 35% of voters think America’s best days are still ahead, while almost half (46%) think America’s best days are in the past. Nineteen percent (19%) are not sure either way.
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Those numbers have almost completely reversed since President Obama’s inauguration.
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In January 2009, 48% said the country’s best days were still ahead, and 35% said they had come and gone.
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A solid majority of voters (67%) prefer a smaller government with fewer services and lower taxes over a larger, more active government with more services and higher taxes. Just one-in-four (25%) prefer the larger, more active government, a sentiment that has changed little since polling on the question began.
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Just 23% of Likely U.S. Voters now say the country is heading in the right direction, the most pessimistic finding since January 2009.
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Now Liberals will do what liberals always do and attempt to shoot the Messenger. These survey results are so dramatic, that even if you dispute Rasmussen’s polling techniques as Liberal analysis Nate Silver often does, it only would be a swing of perhaps 3-4 points. That’s assuming that Silver is right.

But, it is all those nasty so-called “Centrists” and “Conservatives” who are messing things up for the vast majority of Americans, 3xfire3. Don’t you get it yet?

To be fair civil rights have never been an issue of concern to the people who inhabit the republican party these days.

He did a good thing but i still don’t trust him even as far as i can throw him.

those who want to take the time to get beyond the caricature
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In the two profiles you link, it is your unsourced claims that provide the caricature, not anything that any elected official with any kind of power has said or done.
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From the linked profiles:
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Late last year, the White House swallowed its pride and quietly asked Joe Lieberman for a favor.
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But the WH had supported letting Lieberman keep his seniority, as you report further down in your article. Why did it need to “swallow its pride”?
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It has been a long time since liberals have treated Lieberman with anything but scorn
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Which liberals? Liberals in the Senate? The only example in the article is from Gibbs the day after Lieberman spoke at the GOP convention. Citing specific examples would make this a stronger argument. Later in the article, you write, “While fellow Democrats in the Senate treat him much as they always have, he is a pariah to the fundraisers, liberal activists and netroots bloggers who have largely engineered the party’s comeback since 2006.” Now, that is much better, but why not put that in the first paragraph, rather than hiding it on page 2 of the web version? Wouldn’t that be a more accurate impression to give your readers?
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I’m sorry to complain so much– that article is very well-written and informative. There are a lot of specifics in there about when he has & hasn’t sided with the WH, on issues, in negotiations, on nominations.
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From the second article: “With his re-election in November, many old allies now rue abandoning him after he lost the Connecticut Democratic primary to Ned Lamont last August.”
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Which ones?
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his rhetoric has come to resemble the G.O.P.’s, notably when he said Democratic opposition to Bush’s troop surge would “discourage our troops, hearten our enemies.” But he’s progressive at home; he has a long record of fighting for environmental concerns, prides himself on his early support for the civil rights movement and has earned strong ratings from labor. He’s even working on a military mental-health bill with California liberal Barbara Boxer.
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So… he creeps up on calling opponents of pointless invasions and futile occupations “traitors”… but he’s actually all wily and unpredictable because he works with wild-eyed liberal Barbara Boxer on the higly controversial, hippie-dippy idea of… providing concrete support for our troops.
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See, that’s the problem here. You keep trying to push the narrative of “those on the left” who hate Lieberman. But in the second profile, you keep on talking about Reid giving Lieberman whatever he wants. And in the first profile, your only example of a Dem criticizing him is one line from campaign-era Joe Gibbs.
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Those who want to “take the time to get beyond the caricature” have to take the time to get beyond the unsubstantiated caricature you’re trying to push in your story leads. It’s especially silly because the actual detailed, dense, informative substantive reporting in each of these stories contradicts that narrative. It’s a common MSM thing to treat relatively powerless groups on the left, like the Netroots, as both unreasonable and all-powerful within the party, when neither is the case.

I do not think that any of the commenters on the left that post here are confused about Leiberman. I think they know exactly who he is.

1. 97% of all Americans say that the Tea Party is just a front for Koch Brothers.
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2. 86% of all voters said that the election of 2010 was a reaction to unemployment only.
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3. 99.8% of all Americans consider Rusty and 3Xfire3 untrustworthy posters.
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4. 100% of your statistics have no source cited.
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5. 75% of the statistics above I created to make fun of you.
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6.25% of the first four were factually proven: you cite no sources and, therefore, have created another waste of space on the blog.

Patrick,
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Perhaps you should learn to read.
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“Friday, December 17, 2010″
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“A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds that 49%, on the other hand, say Obama thinks society is unfair and discriminatory. Another 16% are not sure how Obama feels about society. (To see survey question wording, click here.)”

If Liberals trash Joe Lieberman, look at what Conservative leader, radio talk show host Michael Savage said about Lieberman when he was considered “liberal”.
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Liberals are critical.
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Conservatives eviscerate. (Disembowel, for some of your conservatives out there).

“I know this is of topic but it’s information that is too important to ignor.
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America’s Best Days
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Democrats lost the 2010 election because their liberal/Progressive Wing is totally out of step with the vast majority of Americans.
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Friday, December 17, 2010″
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Sorry, where is the link and where is the reference to your list?
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You sent no link and you, also, do not have matching stats with your list above the text.

Joe Lieberman, Hero of the Centrist Base and Second Favorite ‘Get’ of Sunday Morning Talk Show Hosts*

Better.

*The first being, of course, John McCain.

This is how it is done:
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“PRINCETON, NJ — Barack Obama averaged 44.7% job approval during the seventh quarter of his presidency…”
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/143921/obama-approval-rating-new-low-recent-quarter.aspx
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New Gallup Poll:
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“The political composition of U.S. adults held fairly steady in 2010 compared with 2009. Conservatives remained the largest ideological group, at 40%, followed by moderates (35%) and then liberals (21%)”.
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Read more at GALLUP.com.
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And Swamp Liberals claim the USA is not a Center-Right Country.
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You guys and gals are either lying to yourselves, dreaming or just confused.

Here is another way it done:
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“Yet 77 percent are concerned that stricter laws would mean illegal immigrants and their families who have lived productively in the USA for years would be forced to leave.

The seeming contradiction reflects the difficulty in grappling with the issue, said Tomas Jimenez, a fellow at the non-partisan New America Foundation.

“On the one hand, they don’t like the idea that people are breaking our immigration laws, that it appears we have a southern border that is out of control,” Jimenez said. “On the other hand, they think the people coming here who work hard, who have dreams of a better life, are really participating in an American tradition that is as old as this country.” ”
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It appears as if Americans are reluctant to be too harsh on people who are working illegally because these people are assimilating just fine and working their butts off, too.

You have to include links:
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/145271/Conservatives-Continue-Outnumber-Moderates-2010.aspx

“…fewer than half of Americans can say whether “progressive” does (12%) or does not (31%) describe their own views. The majority (54%) are unsure.”
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If people do not know what political labels mean, then it is useless to try and identify them by label.
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/141218/Americans-Unsure-Progressive-Political-Label.aspx
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“Posted at 10:18 AM ET, 12/17/2010
Obama brand remains surprisingly strong
By Ezra Klein

Some interesting — and unexpected — results in The Washington Post’s big post-election poll. First, Obama’s position against the Republicans in Congress is much stronger than that of his predecessors. The following polls were all taken in the December after the president’s first major midterm defeat. So for Bill Clinton, the poll results are from December 1994, and for George W. Bush, they’re from December 2006. In both cases, the public trusted the congressional opposition more than the president. Not so today:
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That’s reflected in a later question that genuinely surprised me: Asked whether Obama and the Republicans were sincere in their desire to reduce the budget deficit, Obama beat the Republicans by a wide margin:
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There’s been a lot of criticism of Obama’s communication skills lately, but if you look at the polls, he’s doing a far better job than his predecessors did preserving his brand within an unfriendly political environment. Part of this might just be that the election results were driven by enthusiasm among Republican-leaning constituencies and relative apathy among Democratic-leaning groups, while the polls are getting at a broader cross-section of the country. But whatever the explanation, there appears to be more life in the Obama brand than the pundits might think, and than the Republicans might hope. ”
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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/12/obama_brand_remains_surprising.html
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So, if you like polls and trust their results as congruent – which they are not – then Americans are more conservative than liberals or moderate, do not know if they are progressive or not and like Democrats and Obama better than Republicans in congress.
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Which one of those facts is an outlier?
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Oh, I know!
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Americans should not be both called conservative and like Democrats more than conservative.
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Now, if people do not even know what progressive means, then how well do they know “liberal” and “conservative”.
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Not very well.

3X,
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Your posts have proven uninformative and useless.
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Have you considered playing more golf instead?

Patrick,
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“…fewer than half of Americans can say whether “progressive” does (12%) or does not (31%) describe their own views. The majority (54%) are unsure.”
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“If people do not know what political labels mean, then it is useless to try and identify them by label.”
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Nice Spin Patrick.
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The Term Progressive was never used in the survey.
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Conservative, Moderate and Liberal were used and as you well know most people understand those terms.
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Patrick you never admit defeat even when you’re wrong. I think that is called being a Partisan-Ideologue.

Patrick,
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Facts seem to bother you a lot. You are unable to accept facts. You Spin facts to try and make them say something different than they do.
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Some day when you grow up your will understand that Facts are Facts and when you try to make them into something else you are only showing your ignorance.
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Your mind and ideology are fact free environments.

“The Term Progressive was never used in the survey.”
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I didn’t say it was.
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I said that Americans do not know good definitions of words involving politics.
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But, even they like the sound of the word conservative, they trust Democrats more than Republicans already, even though this “Tea Party Revolution” just started.
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It appears as if buyer’s remorse is setting in very early.

“Facts seem to bother you a lot. You are unable to accept facts.”
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Sniff, sniff.
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I think I smell pot calling the kettle black again.
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Look, every time including in the recession of 1937 when Democrats were at their all time strongest in history, whoever is the leading party during a downturn, regardless of what caused it, loses seats.
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Democrats still have the Senate.
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Most people are discovering that climate change is real.
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Tax breaks for the wealthiest as a stand alone issue is very unpopular.
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Those are facts.
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You deny facts all of the time.
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I predicted all along that Democrats would lose seats. My guess was something like 40 since we had a 4 seat majority or more for the bet.
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Many independents are confused an angry. If the economy does not recover, the rage will be against the Republicans.

Oh, Massimo. I am such a “confused” liberal. Could you be anymore condescending?

Massimo forgot to include that Lieberman took the progressive stance on supporting the Emancipation Proclamation.
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Does that make Old Joe a liberal or, since the Republicans were the liberals back then, a Republican?
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I might get beat up on here for saying it, but I have always thought Senator Lieberman is a closet homosexual. I think he has been in love with McCain for years. lol

It’s true. I have no proof.. only a personal hunch.. and that might be called slander. Still, that is what I think.

I think that this was a kind of personal victory for him. It is really, really not easy to be homosexual in a public position like politics. My heart goes out to all those forced to hide who they are,

This is a huge step forward in our evolution as a free nation.

Congratulations America.

“This may confuse those on the left …”
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Listen you unresponsive jackass (he says fully aware of the irony), none of us on the left are confused and even if we were we sure wouldn’t come to your corner bar of undistilled CW for illumination.
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I imagine you see yourself as some guiding light to the naive rubes who frequent the Swamp or dead tree (i.e. dead journalism). If that’s what it takes to inspire this pap day in/day out, please maintain your construct, as It in turn inspires our own capacity to vent.

jcapan: You have expressed my feelings posted at #11 more fully than I could. It seems impossible for the pundocracy to understand some people have a more sophisticated philosophy that they or the far right display.
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Thank you.

I like the way that this story is slanted.
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“…working particularly hard to win and keep his close friend Susan Collins of Maine”
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I think what you mean is “His good friend and CO-SPONSOR of this legislation”?
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Oh wait.
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Of course you don’t tell the truth on something like that because she’s a Republican and therefore is never deserving of credit.

Lieberman is the prototypical hero of the wheeny set. He votes liberal once every 10 years, which makes him the perfect centrist, compared to his radical enemies.

“I might get beat up on here for saying it, but I have always thought Senator Lieberman is a closet homosexual. I think he has been in love with McCain for years. lol”
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Why would you even suggest such a thing? I’ll admit it was a little strange seeing Lieberman stand behind McCain during some 2008 campaign stops and watch him gaze adoringly (at John’s ass). It seem to be an odd choice of words when Joe said that if McCain were to be elected President that he would be honored to serve “under” him. It was even stranger when McCain was asked to submit a DNA sample and Joe spit into a cup. But hey, it’s none of my business.

“Of course you don’t tell the truth on something like that because she’s a Republican and therefore is never deserving of credit.”
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Or if people like Michael Savage found out that she was working with lefties like Joe Lieberman she would get labeled a RINO and left by the political side of the road for dead.

3x, you fail to take into account the fact that many liberals refuse to identify themselves as such because of the bad connotations the word has had–thanks to the republicans and conservatives. The right has always associated “liberal” with fascism, socialism, ect., when, in fact it is none of those things.
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Anybody who believes it is the duty of the government to care for the citizens who are unable to care for themselves: the elderly, the handicapped, the unemployed, are liberal. And I know many who call themselves conservatives but also believe in those things. Which is what makes putting labels on people so misleading. I am a democrat, a liberal and a fiscal conservative. Megan McCain has said she is socially liberal and a fiscal conservative and she’s a republican.
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liberal, conservative…they are not the opposite of one another. Rather, under the right circumstances (i.e. we elect the right people) the two will meet harmoniously.

Senate Votes to Overturn Military Gay Ban
In a landmark for gay rights, the Senate on Saturday voted to let gays serve openly in the military, giving President Barack Obama the chance to fulfill a campaign promise and repeal the 17-year policy known as “don’t ask, don’t tell.” http://www.newslook.com/videos/276051-senate-votes-to-overturn-military-gay-ban?autoplay=true

Give the guy credit but next year he’ll be back to his old self.

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey

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1) Rasmussen has a known conservative bias. It was proven during the run-up to the election that it consistently favored the conservative candidate while the other polls generally were all about even.
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2) I personally would treat any telephone poll with a grain of salt. Especially a Rasmussen one, as it uses a robo-caller as opposed to a actual person. Additionally, you’re also going to tend to get an older demographic with a telephone survey, as they are much more likely to actually have a home phone (or be at home during the day time) than someone closer to my age (college graduate).
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Essentially, especially without a link, your poll is fairly meaningless. Especially with the demonization of the word “liberal” to mean “communist” et al.

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“Why would you even suggest such a thing? I’ll admit it was a little strange seeing Lieberman stand behind McCain during some 2008 campaign stops and watch him gaze adoringly (at John’s ass). It seem to be an odd choice of words when Joe said that if McCain were to be elected President that he would be honored to serve “under” him. It was even stranger when McCain was asked to submit a DNA sample and Joe spit into a cup. But hey, it’s none of my business.”

You just cracked me up! Your wit is brilliant.

Thank you.

Micheal Savage is a lunatic.